Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, and welcome back to Katie's Crib. In this episode,
Speaker 1: we have a group, a group you guys, of impressive
Speaker 1: and amazing women here all in one room. We are
Speaker 1: in this very sexy, fancy recording studio. We are not
Speaker 1: in Katie's crib. We're in a recording studio because I
Speaker 1: wanted to get this particular group of women together. They
Speaker 1: are all entrepreneurs who started their businesses when they were
Speaker 1: new moms, and we're going to talk about what their
Speaker 1: journeys have been like and how, if at all, being
Speaker 1: a mom has made an impact on them as business owners.
Speaker 1: We've got a lot together. This is a huge topic
Speaker 1: that I'm super I literally have goosebumps talking about this.
Speaker 1: I'm like entrepreneur moms. It just sounds so fucking awesome. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me introduce today's guest guests plural, that's why we're
Speaker 1: in the recording studio. We have Sarah Gibson Tuttle, who
Speaker 1: is the founder and CEO of Olive and June. We
Speaker 1: have Katerina Schneider, the founder and CEO of Ritual, And
Speaker 1: we have Angela Sutherland, the co founder and CEO of
Speaker 1: Umi Service. And we're gonna put links um all on
Speaker 1: the cribs, no to all of these amazing businesses. You
Speaker 1: can really do a deep dive on these awesome ladies.
Speaker 1: Hi ladies. UM, it's so great to have you here.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for being here. Um, let's get into this.
Speaker 1: Let's talk briefly. Let's all go around and talk briefly
Speaker 1: about everyone's lives before kids, Like were you already pursuing
Speaker 1: careers on your own? What areas were you working in?
Speaker 1: What were your daily schedules? Like, okay, I'll start. So
Speaker 1: this is angela from you me Hi. So I was
Speaker 1: a traditional whole geek. I actually went to school with
Speaker 1: yeah here, no way, where did you go to school? Brown?
Speaker 1: I was a math major. She was applied math. It's
Speaker 1: a super nerdal art. I don't think I've ever met
Speaker 1: math majors in my life, which goes to show you
Speaker 1: how small and wow, okay, I'm just we are. It's
Speaker 1: more like can you find us? Um? Yeah, so I've
Speaker 1: known her a long time ish but like, um, but anyway,
Speaker 1: So I was like sort of traditional nerd path. So
Speaker 1: I went to you know, like school, was a math major,
Speaker 1: went into investment banking, and then went to an a
Speaker 1: management program and then into like private equity. So I've
Speaker 1: actually always done finance or operations, and so that's like
Speaker 1: pretty much my background pre launching a company, And so
Speaker 1: why I launched this company really had to do with
Speaker 1: more like what the situation was. Like I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: ever thought I would go into baby food, tell us like,
Speaker 1: let's go around, we'll all talk about pre baby and
Speaker 1: then just go into your business and how you started it,
Speaker 1: like grouping them together. I would never have, like, I
Speaker 1: never would have made the jump if it wasn't something
Speaker 1: so obvious to me that needed to happen, Like so
Speaker 1: in my life, So I had a baby, I got pregnant,
Speaker 1: and I started realizing that there's this period of life
Speaker 1: called a thousand days that was so important for childhood nutrition.
Speaker 1: Like basically nothing you do for the rest of your
Speaker 1: life matters on it comes of nutrition, except this period.
Speaker 1: And this period was like you know basically you know
Speaker 1: conception to h two and that what you give your
Speaker 1: kid during that period changes their life. And where did
Speaker 1: you like was that in a book that you read
Speaker 1: and you all of a sudden just like got obsessed
Speaker 1: with it and you were like this has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with math, and I'm so into it. I'm like
Speaker 1: a nerd and so I reached researched a lot, and
Speaker 1: so there's a publication called the Lancet, which is like
Speaker 1: the n I H O the UK, So the Nationals
Speaker 1: have Health for the UK and they published it and
Speaker 1: it's about eight epidemiologists that came together and said, Okay,
Speaker 1: this period is really important. You know all these like
Speaker 1: vitamins and minerals things that happen are super important. So
Speaker 1: you have genetics that like for me, but you have
Speaker 1: this period that are epigenetic things that actually change the
Speaker 1: way that you live the rest of your life based
Speaker 1: on what you're doing. And so because of that, it
Speaker 1: really just opened my eyes to how little I knew
Speaker 1: and like how how much I wanted to know. And
Speaker 1: so like I'm you know, we're like starving for information.
Speaker 1: You want to do the right things for your kids,
Speaker 1: but you don't know what information you're supposed to get.
Speaker 1: And this was real and concrete and saying like you know,
Speaker 1: like get enough of this and this will happen. And
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, that's something I can do. I can
Speaker 1: have real ownership over. And so you know. Similarly, I
Speaker 1: think you into your life like choosing things that you
Speaker 1: can do that your real ownership over in our generation
Speaker 1: is like a gift because you're like, wow, there's I
Speaker 1: feel so confused by all the information online what can
Speaker 1: I do or not do? And so this was something
Speaker 1: for me. I was like I can really do something.
Speaker 1: And then I started to trying to do it and
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what, Like you want me to
Speaker 1: cook every single meal? And how much was your kid
Speaker 1: when you started this? She was seven months, so it's
Speaker 1: seven months. You just started the idea of giving her
Speaker 1: solid foods, and you were like, I went into this
Speaker 1: deep dive with the how UK system works and all
Speaker 1: the research, and you were like, I'm going to start
Speaker 1: a business. Yeah, I started research with this small baby. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I started research before I was a pre datal and
Speaker 1: I was like, thinking I was going to cook it.
Speaker 1: So then I was like, so this is great. I
Speaker 1: have all this research. I'm ready to go. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna make all this stuff. And I
Speaker 1: started to do that, and I'm like, oh my lord,
Speaker 1: this is terrible. Nobody wants. Nobody wants to do that
Speaker 1: because you think you do. I never thought, and then
Speaker 1: you never thought I did, so I think you think
Speaker 1: and then you're like, no, I really don't like to
Speaker 1: know everything they're supposed to be getting to be, like
Speaker 1: are you getting in a vitamin A? Like are you?
Speaker 1: It's like you're never going to know, and then you
Speaker 1: make a ton of it and you freeze it, and
Speaker 1: also your freezer is full of these little like frozen
Speaker 1: dots and I don't know what I did, and like
Speaker 1: I blacked out and made a lot of food and like,
Speaker 1: but then that's just not a way to live because
Speaker 1: I wanted to work too, and I wanted to be productive,
Speaker 1: and I also wanted to be present for my children
Speaker 1: and like like have time for like what am I
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing? Like with them playing and all
Speaker 1: of these things? Like I was like, how does this
Speaker 1: not exist? Did you feel so driven to start your
Speaker 1: own company, be your own boss, to make your own hours,
Speaker 1: to be spend more time with your kids or was
Speaker 1: it just so you were so passionate about the idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I almost wish that were the case, because then
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have done it, because you don't realize
Speaker 1: that when you what you give up, when you start
Speaker 1: a company, Like it's like it's not your own hours,
Speaker 1: it's actually like eight times the amount of hours, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's like you think that you're, oh, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be flexible in this baby. It's like flexible, that'll FaceTime
Speaker 1: my baby when I love to. Like it's like there,
Speaker 1: it's you're giving up so much to start a business,
Speaker 1: you know, and so much of yourself and it's like
Speaker 1: you're basically having another baby. And so I and I
Speaker 1: say that because not to like to tear anyone from
Speaker 1: doing it, but just to know, like you do it
Speaker 1: because you love it, right, you just like it's something
Speaker 1: else you love, and so you're you're deciding to put
Speaker 1: all your energy into this other thing. Um, I like
Speaker 1: that idea. You said you had two babies, Like it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I totally understand that. Um. I also think you do
Speaker 1: it because you want to touch other people's lives. Like
Speaker 1: when Angela launched you Me, which wasn't named me, then, um,
Speaker 1: there was a beta there, this is Sarah. There was
Speaker 1: a beta. Um this is Sarah June and they did
Speaker 1: a beta testing and they sent me the product and
Speaker 1: like that changed my life because I was able to
Speaker 1: work and feed my child this amazing food. And so
Speaker 1: I think Angel did it because she loved it and
Speaker 1: she cares so much deeply about the subject in the topic.
Speaker 1: But you also do it because you want to change
Speaker 1: people's lives and help. I wouldn't have been able to
Speaker 1: work at the pace I was working without without you Me.
Speaker 1: For Me, I was going to say that you Me
Speaker 1: really contributes to female empowerment in such a big way.
Speaker 1: I had my first kid without you that I had
Speaker 1: my second kid with you Me, and it just provided
Speaker 1: so much flexibility. And I think that the impact that
Speaker 1: companies like that are having in the world is like
Speaker 1: and just so you guys know, you mean as a
Speaker 1: food it's an amazing food delivery service for baby food
Speaker 1: and things like that. That they're getting all of the
Speaker 1: health and nutrients, which I felt was probably a huge
Speaker 1: weight off your shoulders if you couldn't be home actually
Speaker 1: cooking the food yourself, knowing that what was left in
Speaker 1: the fridge for whoever to give to them while you
Speaker 1: were running your new businesses was providing nourishment and really
Speaker 1: good choices because we're yeah, this is one hell of
Speaker 1: a type of room that you didn't have to worry.
Speaker 1: You could come home and literally like feed your child
Speaker 1: and it was immediate and you never had to worry
Speaker 1: about it. People thought I was getting paid. It was like,
Speaker 1: I think four sponsored ads resting, but and I was
Speaker 1: clearly not getting paid. And they were like, I don't
Speaker 1: understand why we're posting so much about this company. And
Speaker 1: I was like, she's literally changing my life, Like this
Speaker 1: is amazing, wonderful to hear. Can you tell me, Um,
Speaker 1: Sarah about Olive in June and when you started it
Speaker 1: and why, what your life looked like, what did you
Speaker 1: work before? Did you work through your pregnancy? Tell me
Speaker 1: about that. It's a little hard to go after Angela
Speaker 1: Um after that intro, but I'm happy to talk about nails. Um.
Speaker 1: Nails are also very empowering and creative and artistic. I mean,
Speaker 1: at this point, like nails are like and honestly, the
Speaker 1: first time I left my baby, and I'm probably going
Speaker 1: to bet that a lot of moms I know, the
Speaker 1: first time I left my baby with someone was to
Speaker 1: just like get my nails and yeah, because I was
Speaker 1: like that's an hour and I feel like I need
Speaker 1: to treat myself. But I also don't know who I
Speaker 1: am anymore and I don't want to. You know, caught
Speaker 1: my baby's face open with like bad nails, and I'm
Speaker 1: you know, you're like a mess, and it's just someone
Speaker 1: can take care of you. You feel complete? Yes, so
Speaker 1: tell us about we get that. A lot of people
Speaker 1: are like, I have one hour and I just want
Speaker 1: to get a manny petty um. So so I actually so.
Speaker 1: I started all of in June. My background is somewhat
Speaker 1: similar to Angela, although a little less smart. UM. I
Speaker 1: went to Colgate and I was a philosophy major. I thought,
Speaker 1: for a hot second I wanted to be a lawyer,
Speaker 1: but I started working on a trading desk UM at
Speaker 1: JPMorgan and so I kind of worked at the other
Speaker 1: side of the business, much more of the social um
Speaker 1: client service like have fun, go out really late type
Speaker 1: of business UM. And I do that for ten years
Speaker 1: and and I like learned client service so intensely so
Speaker 1: and something that I love doing. And at some point
Speaker 1: I was like, I do not want to do this anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't want to live in New York anymore. I
Speaker 1: want to live in l A. I like the sunshine,
Speaker 1: such a type of person that I feel like it's
Speaker 1: a really good balance for me to live here. Um.
Speaker 1: We feel very similar on that because I'm from New
Speaker 1: York born raised, and I came here and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't do that because of traffic. Wow, It's like
Speaker 1: I just chill out. It's like it's like CBD. But yes,
Speaker 1: I agreed, agreed, agreed, yes, perfect end quote exactly. And
Speaker 1: so um, I started researching where where where I would
Speaker 1: work and actually that's how I met my now husband. Um.
Speaker 1: I did a bunch of informational interviews and entertainment. Um.
Speaker 1: And and actually my husband works with Angela's brother in law.
Speaker 1: So this is a really small group. Wow. Back also
Speaker 1: like all friends and you're like, yeah, I can start
Speaker 1: my own business like she did it. Like if I
Speaker 1: was around you guys, I feel like I could maybe
Speaker 1: do that. You're making me feel very this is awesome,
Speaker 1: I mean if yeah exactly. Um. And So basically what
Speaker 1: I fell in love with dry Bar I like, um,
Speaker 1: and now it's crazy that Ali's one of my closest
Speaker 1: friends because I feel like it was such a fan
Speaker 1: girl for such a long time. UM, and I just
Speaker 1: fell in love with the model. I loved what they
Speaker 1: were offering. I love there was affordable price point and
Speaker 1: I love nails. So I had this moment where I
Speaker 1: said to my now husband, like, I'm going to do
Speaker 1: the dry bar for nails, Like this just makes so
Speaker 1: much sense, and there's no national nail chain and I
Speaker 1: feel so good about this. UM And it was super
Speaker 1: inspired And we can get into later like what that
Speaker 1: looks like today because it's a little bit different, we're
Speaker 1: shifting into products. But UM, but I that was my
Speaker 1: initial idea. And I opened this song on before I
Speaker 1: was actually I think I was engaged, so before I
Speaker 1: was married and had a kid. UM. But then I
Speaker 1: had I had no about three months before I opened
Speaker 1: the second location UM, and it was insane. We had
Speaker 1: to like move the opening to after I had her
Speaker 1: because I just literally physically couldn't do it. Um. But
Speaker 1: it was so it was really really hard. UM. But
Speaker 1: I was so like, I'm so passionate about making people's
Speaker 1: lives better and like what that looks like and for me,
Speaker 1: always having my nails that makes you feel like you
Speaker 1: can fill in the blank of what that word is,
Speaker 1: but for me, it just feels like you feel completely
Speaker 1: feel like ready to take on the world. I'm a
Speaker 1: very like I'm currently in the swectwort and jeans like
Speaker 1: that's my like vibe and so having my nails and
Speaker 1: feel so good. Um, I'm taking a break this week
Speaker 1: and I hate it. I hate every minute of it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, get polished on my nail. You don't really
Speaker 1: have all the creative stuff sometimes the rhind stones and stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: we have nail or stickers, which I think are like
Speaker 1: the cute version. Yeah, I love them. Um, and so
Speaker 1: if I'm doing designs, I'm doing other hand painted by
Speaker 1: the manicarister. I'm doing those stickers. But but I always
Speaker 1: like my nails are always done and um and so
Speaker 1: so transitioning with a child, like honestly, companies like Angela's
Speaker 1: like that made my life easier. Um, were like my
Speaker 1: blowing like it was. There was nothing better than being
Speaker 1: able to come home and actually engage with your child
Speaker 1: and not feel like, oh I have to go make
Speaker 1: the smeil or I have to go do certain things.
Speaker 1: And so I'm I'm very grateful for that because I
Speaker 1: don't think because I to Angela's point, you don't take
Speaker 1: any time off. I didn't take one day of maternity
Speaker 1: leave like I constantly we closed our first round of
Speaker 1: funding when I was in the hospital. Term like going
Speaker 1: over while I was a lamor just doesn't stop and
Speaker 1: they don't care, like did you have any like were
Speaker 1: you also? I don't know why I keep coming back
Speaker 1: to this, but where you like, I'm going to be
Speaker 1: my own boss and I'm gonna be able to see
Speaker 1: my kid. Is that something that you fake yourself into
Speaker 1: or you knew? Oh, I think I thought that that
Speaker 1: was going to be the case. I mean I do
Speaker 1: think the one thing is like working in finance, Like
Speaker 1: working where I worked, it was like a seven am
Speaker 1: two you know, you go out almost every night, so
Speaker 1: so that was a long day and you can't leave
Speaker 1: because you're tied to the desk because of the markets
Speaker 1: are going. It's not like it's it's project based or
Speaker 1: meeting based. Um. So I absolutely see my daughter now
Speaker 1: more than I would see her as I can walk
Speaker 1: from home like if I need to, or I can
Speaker 1: go she's a blood drive, I can go at her school.
Speaker 1: I can go. Um and I could not. There's no
Speaker 1: way I could do that at my previous job. But
Speaker 1: it means I worked till three in the morning. That night,
Speaker 1: like I have to the work doesn't go away, and
Speaker 1: I care more about the work now than ever, so
Speaker 1: you have to balance. And I worked seven days a week. God,
Speaker 1: oh god, you guys are very impressive. It's so funny
Speaker 1: someone I've posted on my Instagram that like I was
Speaker 1: having a bad day or that like I was working
Speaker 1: tons and someone gave me you back there, like we
Speaker 1: don't actually want to see that because we believe your
Speaker 1: life is so glamorous that like we don't want to know,
Speaker 1: Like they didn't want to know. And I thought to myself,
Speaker 1: this is so funny because people they think that the
Speaker 1: life we're living is so fantastic, but like we are
Speaker 1: working all of the time. Well, I will say that,
Speaker 1: like like Elvin June was like the beginning of like
Speaker 1: Instagram destination place, you know, like she really was at
Speaker 1: the forefront of like mommy are getting my nails done
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna take a post that it's right. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like you're I'm hearing my nails and and
Speaker 1: it's like an experience or like she sort of manifested
Speaker 1: her dream of like I want this to be a
Speaker 1: place that you go and relax and like it's like
Speaker 1: what she feels. And so I think that's why she
Speaker 1: is so influential and people go to her and like
Speaker 1: she really is. Like people were like saying, oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: like please don't post a great life because I think
Speaker 1: like it's part of this, like you know, swoop away,
Speaker 1: like to bring me to another place, and that honestly,
Speaker 1: like even like sort of spells out what we do
Speaker 1: and his company and like what people look for. It's
Speaker 1: like you have to realize she was like at the
Speaker 1: forefront of sort of deciding like what people wanted this experience,
Speaker 1: and I think that that's why. I think like people
Speaker 1: looked at her fore and experience like wait a minute,
Speaker 1: that's not the experience I wanted. I don't want to
Speaker 1: see you at ten at ten p m. With your
Speaker 1: manny on your keyboard. Not interesting. Cat. Tell us your
Speaker 1: your origin story of your lovely company ritual. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: So I started the company when I was four months pregnant.
Speaker 1: My background very simie to Angela's. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I have to sing that, but in investment banking, I
Speaker 1: was at Lehman Brothers all the way through the collapse
Speaker 1: and then got into the startup World, became the chief
Speaker 1: of staff to the CEO of Universal Music, head of
Speaker 1: innovation there, then met Troy Carter along the way, who
Speaker 1: was Lady Gaga's manager, became the head of innovation at
Speaker 1: his company, and then ran his investment fund of over
Speaker 1: seventies startups, everything from Uber to drop box where people
Speaker 1: spotify and and then got pregnant and life changed forever,
Speaker 1: and for me, my journey started when you know, I've
Speaker 1: always been passionate about health and kind of what I
Speaker 1: was putting in and on my body, But when you
Speaker 1: get pregnant, it's like a whole other caliber. You really
Speaker 1: become very aware of what's in lotions and what's in deodorants,
Speaker 1: and what's in all of this stuff. Yeah, exactly, And
Speaker 1: so I kind of went through a clearing phase, got
Speaker 1: rid of deodorance, toothpaste, sunscreens, cleaning supplies, all my husband's stuff.
Speaker 1: I know, I remember telling him, do not spray your
Speaker 1: cologne within I got outside the house, if you're going
Speaker 1: to do this. I remember that on Scandal because I
Speaker 1: was pregnant and I didn't want to tell anyone, but
Speaker 1: like the amount of hair spray that is in the
Speaker 1: makeup trailers. I mean, for all, you know, if you're
Speaker 1: doing ten women at once in a tiny closed space,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, like oh my god, like
Speaker 1: this is just gonna go. This is oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: would cover my face. It was so in saying. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it actually did anything, but exactly so
Speaker 1: that's where you got the idea. That's where I got
Speaker 1: the idea. I started to kind of look at my
Speaker 1: prenatal vitamin. I turned it turned it around me. I
Speaker 1: was always trying to find the best version of everything.
Speaker 1: But when I actually dug deeper about on the ingredients
Speaker 1: that was in my prenatal I was pretty horrified and
Speaker 1: confused and was in this search for something better. You know,
Speaker 1: I realized, you know, the same with Angela did a
Speaker 1: deep dive in research, and ingredients was something that was
Speaker 1: we didn't ever question before. We questioned what we were eating,
Speaker 1: like where was the kale and our salad coming from?
Speaker 1: We could find that out. Or if your chicken you know,
Speaker 1: you know where the who the chickens playing with? Right?
Speaker 1: But why not question what we're ingesting every single day
Speaker 1: for our pregnancy or beyond that? And so one of
Speaker 1: you know, an interesting fact I found was over a
Speaker 1: third of women have a genetic variation where they can't
Speaker 1: even properly utilize synthetic fulight full of acid that's in
Speaker 1: ninety plus for son of prenatals. And so one of
Speaker 1: the things we did as a company is we use
Speaker 1: methylated folli that bypasses genetic variations. We really go above
Speaker 1: and beyond searching for for better ingredients. So these D
Speaker 1: three from wild harvested like, and we use omega three's
Speaker 1: from micrology, and we my background and technology kind of
Speaker 1: allowed me to really show where those things were coming
Speaker 1: from and why and go really deep which wasn't done before.
Speaker 1: That's amazing, It's so cool. Um do you think that
Speaker 1: go back to I feel like you guys were all
Speaker 1: very influenced by your pregnancies. I mean one, I mean
Speaker 1: ritual for sure, and you me and also I mean again,
Speaker 1: like I just feel like women and pregnant women, Like
Speaker 1: I remember going to the manicurist and being like, am
Speaker 1: I allowed to have like regular nail polish on? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because there's like non toxic, like
Speaker 1: are you allowed to have that stuff? You become much
Speaker 1: more aware than you ever did before. Did you guys
Speaker 1: find when you started looking for funding and things like that,
Speaker 1: did you encounter skepticism because you were a woman, because
Speaker 1: you were pregnant? I mean today today we've raised for
Speaker 1: over forty million dollars and just closed with the ground. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we just announced the big round. Yes, yes, it means
Speaker 1: a lot of work ahead, but yeah. So the first
Speaker 1: round of funding was me four months pregnant, going to
Speaker 1: Silicon Valley and investors and I had a really well
Speaker 1: known investor UM that I went to, and you know,
Speaker 1: I was questioning them like do I tell them that
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant from the first meeting or do I tell
Speaker 1: them I'm pregnant in the second meeting? Like, you know,
Speaker 1: transparency is obviously our brand ether this, so I want
Speaker 1: to be honest, but I don't want to be dinged
Speaker 1: for that UM. So I decided to be just completely
Speaker 1: up front. And I went into this really well known
Speaker 1: investor's office and I was like, all right, so I'm
Speaker 1: going to start a prenatal company or a vitamin company.
Speaker 1: I'm going to reinvent the vitamin and I'm pregnant. And
Speaker 1: he's like, oh uh, well, you have two choices. You
Speaker 1: can either start a family or you can have a company,
Speaker 1: but you there's no way you can do both. Well, Um,
Speaker 1: so I am literally every hair on my body just
Speaker 1: stood up. That's a good way. That's awesome yourself? Did that?
Speaker 1: Did you feel held back or did you feel like
Speaker 1: that was fire? Total fire? Yeah? You just were like
Speaker 1: watch me? Yeah? Um did anyone I do? Either of you?
Speaker 1: Sarah Angela? Did you have this? Sucks? It's like it's
Speaker 1: also compounded I think with like some of the industries
Speaker 1: that we chose, Like I think, um partially, like at
Speaker 1: least vitamins can be like for everybody, Like, but if
Speaker 1: you were like specifically prenatal like nails, you know, baby food,
Speaker 1: it is a an industry. Those are industries that like
Speaker 1: or women dominated, only four women out of the times,
Speaker 1: and like even like your vitamins are also like women focused,
Speaker 1: do I think it's yeah, not just prenatals so like,
Speaker 1: but like so when you're doing that, there's also this
Speaker 1: like they don't understand the market problem, so they like
Speaker 1: think how big is that market? You know, who's that
Speaker 1: really for? And so there's all these questions just just
Speaker 1: on that alone. So like compound that with you going
Speaker 1: in pregnant like or which I was. It was like
Speaker 1: I was like fundraising for a pregnant and then it's
Speaker 1: like then they like they question everything, like so do
Speaker 1: you want to do this because it's like a hobby
Speaker 1: for you? Like do you think this is a lifestyle business?
Speaker 1: What does that mean? What is that like business that
Speaker 1: you just want to pay for your lifestylef with? And
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm I'm coming from investment banking. I'm giving
Speaker 1: up a ton of money to do this. I'm not
Speaker 1: completely not an idiot about this, Like I It's gonna
Speaker 1: be huge, trust me, Like what do you ask the
Speaker 1: person that started Gerber like this lifestyle for you? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, you didn't ask that? So
Speaker 1: do you think they asked me that question? Was like
Speaker 1: Sally cancer? Was that just like a lifestyle thing? It's
Speaker 1: like these are huge things in the world, Like why
Speaker 1: are you then asking me, like, well, how big is
Speaker 1: the market? Do you think this is a big thing?
Speaker 1: It's like this is huge, but like that's immediately like
Speaker 1: the first thing that they think of because of like
Speaker 1: you're a woman, and it's like a very women run
Speaker 1: a woman like business. You know, it's like four women
Speaker 1: you know, like and then on top of that being pregnant,
Speaker 1: it's like the first things like, oh, so how much
Speaker 1: time are you going to take off? Do you think
Speaker 1: or like where you guys asked that, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I was, so are you planning on taking a maternity leave?
Speaker 1: It was almost like this like a roundabout way like
Speaker 1: when is that launch of this thing? And like and
Speaker 1: trying to see if you will, but like I was,
Speaker 1: like I had a baby. When I did it, I
Speaker 1: took zero time off. I'm taking zero time off now.
Speaker 1: I'm literally like it was like in labor, not kidding this,
Speaker 1: like it's my second It's fine sending Excel sheets like
Speaker 1: to like close up like the due diligence and like
Speaker 1: I'm not taking time off. And if I were, do
Speaker 1: you think that I wasn't capable will of like making
Speaker 1: sure that the team is there, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like that you can trust a guy to have done that,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't have done that. Like it's like the
Speaker 1: question has become much more like you know pointed like
Speaker 1: like because you're a woman, because you're pregnant, that probably
Speaker 1: you weren't capable of this. And so it's not even
Speaker 1: just like the question of like are you going to
Speaker 1: take time off? Like were you even capable of setting
Speaker 1: up a company that wouldn't you know like that like
Speaker 1: that couldn't sustain that. And I think that's actually even
Speaker 1: more hurtful in some ways. So this is so fascinating
Speaker 1: to me and so upsetting. I mean, I know it's there,
Speaker 1: like I know, but I just really like to live
Speaker 1: in my bubble. I have, like, actually I have a
Speaker 1: couple of thoughts. I had the similar experiences I also
Speaker 1: had UM when I wasn't pregnant. UM. I sat in
Speaker 1: a room with someone. It was the second round of fundraising,
Speaker 1: and I had probably been talking for forty five minutes.
Speaker 1: And anyone that gets in the room with me for
Speaker 1: five minutes knows that I'm like kind of a killer
Speaker 1: and like we'll do anything and like we'll scalp any
Speaker 1: wall and break through anything to do get it done.
Speaker 1: And I'm a sole founder, so like, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just like I feel like you get my energy immediately.
Speaker 1: We've been talking for forty five minutes, and so he
Speaker 1: basically knew everything about me at that point. And then
Speaker 1: he was like so he's like so at the end,
Speaker 1: he's like, so, let me just ask you a question.
Speaker 1: So like, given where you're from, which from Connecticut, Given
Speaker 1: where you're from, and your father was worked in finance
Speaker 1: and your husband works in entertainment, Like why do you
Speaker 1: want to do this business? And I literally was like
Speaker 1: if I've spent forty five like I looked at I said,
Speaker 1: if I haven't convinced you that I'm going to basically
Speaker 1: take over, then I'm going to innovate on the nil world.
Speaker 1: We're going to change the industry forever. I don't know
Speaker 1: that I have anything else to answer that, like if
Speaker 1: you think I'm a kid from like my dad has
Speaker 1: funded zero part of this business, my husband has spending
Speaker 1: zero part of this business, Like I've done everything with
Speaker 1: my savings and raised money, like this is my second round.
Speaker 1: I literally was like I don't even have an answer
Speaker 1: for you, Like I was like conversations over and I
Speaker 1: told my actually told my first investor, my first big
Speaker 1: investor in the first round, and he was like, they
Speaker 1: would never have asked the man that, Like, and this
Speaker 1: is an investor who I think is a pretty traditional person.
Speaker 1: Like I think probably I could have said some of
Speaker 1: the crazy things we just heard, And was the person
Speaker 1: who's pushing me to take a maternity leave. Like, I
Speaker 1: think there are wonderful investors out there, but I just
Speaker 1: think there are some that just I can't see pass
Speaker 1: their own experiences and it's really pathetic. Do you guys,
Speaker 1: are there any lessons that you guys have learned starting
Speaker 1: businesses that you feel like applied to parenthood? Are they
Speaker 1: the same? I love that this thing you made about
Speaker 1: they're all your babies right, so much patience. So one
Speaker 1: thing I will I don't have a lot of that
Speaker 1: takeaway is that like it's asking for help. So I
Speaker 1: had a very hard time. I mean I'm very type
Speaker 1: A welcome to the podcast of type. So I'd like
Speaker 1: to make sure that everything's done right and like all
Speaker 1: the way to the end. And you know, but the
Speaker 1: difference between like a mom and pop shop and a
Speaker 1: huge company is that you're actually able to find people
Speaker 1: to replace you. That's like, you know, full stop. You
Speaker 1: can have a huge mom pop company, like very huge,
Speaker 1: but then it ceases to exist when the mom or
Speaker 1: dad leaves. Right, that can't be in a company and
Speaker 1: that can't be at home, Like you got to figure
Speaker 1: out a way to support you and your vision in
Speaker 1: both places, and so you have to ask for help.
Speaker 1: Like so, if that's like family or like nanny's or schools,
Speaker 1: try to figure it out. If it works, that's like
Speaker 1: getting a number two and number three helping you out.
Speaker 1: Get to figure it out, because like, it can't just
Speaker 1: be you, and you have to learn that, like again,
Speaker 1: in both places. And so maybe it's something I learned
Speaker 1: from home that I had to apply to work, or
Speaker 1: work that I applayed at home, but I started. You
Speaker 1: started soon realize if it is just you, it actually
Speaker 1: won't be as successful. And so, yeah, you can't grow.
Speaker 1: Carrie Washington always says this bally thing to me. She
Speaker 1: was always like, if you're spending all of your time maintaining,
Speaker 1: you're never going to grow. Like, if you spend all
Speaker 1: of your days just in reaction to emails and things
Speaker 1: that are coming forward and maintaining and just holding on
Speaker 1: and maintaining, it might be time to ask for help,
Speaker 1: get people around you to help, whether that's in your
Speaker 1: home life or your work life or whatever, because then
Speaker 1: you will finally have space to grow. Um, I think
Speaker 1: that's brilliant. Do you and you guys agree? Cat Zarah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: our CFO c O constantly is like your time efficiency
Speaker 1: is everything. So she pushed me to put a lot
Speaker 1: of my personal stuff on our assistant and it's very
Speaker 1: hard for me to do. But then I focus either
Speaker 1: on my home life or my work life, and I'm
Speaker 1: so much more efficient. I read a book UM called
Speaker 1: essential is Um and I'm I've heard about this. We
Speaker 1: should put a link on that came to and it
Speaker 1: just focus on essentially have like one to two missions
Speaker 1: and that's all you care about. And I try to
Speaker 1: do that at home, like I'm like, all I care
Speaker 1: about is like spending time with Noah and my husband
Speaker 1: in like a very concentrated way. And then at work,
Speaker 1: like our vision is to democratize the salon manicure and
Speaker 1: so that's all we're focused on. And I think I
Speaker 1: think focusing has been very very good. I also think
Speaker 1: patients like I worked on a trading nesk very very quick,
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of then a lot not
Speaker 1: I would say, like a lot of not a lot
Speaker 1: of emotion um and not a lot of listening and
Speaker 1: just constantly go, go go. And this business has taught me.
Speaker 1: My team has taught me to be patient and to
Speaker 1: allow people to like learn and develop into Angela's point,
Speaker 1: like when you bring those people in that are supposed
Speaker 1: to be taking parts of your job from you, to
Speaker 1: actually let them have it and let them have the
Speaker 1: moment to run a trust, that's huge and for you
Speaker 1: can't same same. I love exactly the same. Um. Now
Speaker 1: that you guys are in full swing of running successful businesses, bravo. Um,
Speaker 1: how have you integrated being a mom into your brand?
Speaker 1: Like do you Well, I feel like it's all majorly
Speaker 1: in your brands, But how does it affect you guys?
Speaker 1: Do you have you had other moms work in your business?
Speaker 1: Do you have number two? Is number three? Is that
Speaker 1: are pregnant? That are women? Like? How do you a
Speaker 1: sort of I'm like, right, the wrongs of your up
Speaker 1: and coming you know what I mean? But like, how
Speaker 1: do you I know you guys don't take days off,
Speaker 1: but like, do all of your staff not take days off?
Speaker 1: Or they moms? Like tell me, so, I've had two
Speaker 1: kids and starting the company and raising money and it's challenging.
Speaker 1: And the silver lining to the conversation for me is
Speaker 1: the investors that we did take on encouraged me to
Speaker 1: take time off encouraged me to take as much time
Speaker 1: off as I could to connect with my kids. UM,
Speaker 1: the challenge was the guilt and that I put on
Speaker 1: myself rather and you know, I really didn't take time off.
Speaker 1: But I really do encourage that for women. I think
Speaker 1: it's really important. And I don't think UM as a
Speaker 1: society we encourage it enough. I think it's a problem.
Speaker 1: So for the kind of company that we've built, we
Speaker 1: we have a really generous maternity maternity leave policy and
Speaker 1: paternity leave policy. Yeah, and we were pretty small when
Speaker 1: we instituted it, you know, like ten lesson ten people,
Speaker 1: and so every person is so critical and it's just
Speaker 1: a sacrifice that we made and UM, yeah, you really
Speaker 1: feel it when they're gone, like it's it's taking hit
Speaker 1: for sure. But it was something that you know, we're
Speaker 1: trying to build a long lasting brand, not just something
Speaker 1: that scales and the flails out. So having that and
Speaker 1: setting it up with lawyers and experts and thinking through
Speaker 1: that UM was really important to us in the beginning.
Speaker 1: And then we've also set up a pumping room early on.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm still pumping and it sucks. Do you
Speaker 1: have a brand new baby. I have a ten eleven
Speaker 1: menthol Yeah, so you're pumping away. Yeah, proms with you
Speaker 1: right now. Um, so I know how much that sucks.
Speaker 1: I was pumping out in the open when we started,
Speaker 1: and it's so kind of embarrassing. I mean yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah no, but it is like it's touchy for people.
Speaker 1: And also, I mean we've talked a lot about breastfeeding
Speaker 1: on this podcast, but some people are very effect did buce,
Speaker 1: Like they can't make milk if they're stressed out, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So like to have a
Speaker 1: place to go where you can actually just like you know,
Speaker 1: if you're there are people that have to look at
Speaker 1: pictures of their babies or videos of their babies and
Speaker 1: their milk. That was me, Like my milk would not
Speaker 1: come down unless I like would see my child because
Speaker 1: I was so stressed. Yeah, um, that's beautiful. What about
Speaker 1: you guys, Angela Sarah. Yeah, So as far as the
Speaker 1: generation at work or like how we try to like
Speaker 1: approach it, I have a baby food company, so it's
Speaker 1: like a very part of my like our whole being,
Speaker 1: you know. So like it's it's funny because I, unlike Sarah,
Speaker 1: no one's really looking to me for like it is,
Speaker 1: I like, I don't. I'm very private of a person,
Speaker 1: like I don't like share a lot of anything, and
Speaker 1: so I think that's like why, um, but what I
Speaker 1: want to bake for the company, though, is stuff that
Speaker 1: makes people's lives better, and so we try to apply
Speaker 1: that to people that work for the company. So we
Speaker 1: like try to look for under employed moms, like giving
Speaker 1: them flexible jobs, like whether it's like they want to
Speaker 1: help with content or write or like you know, be
Speaker 1: like you know, be an assistance of either like customer service,
Speaker 1: like anything that they can do, or it's over like
Speaker 1: field marketing. Like unemployed moms are always looking for jobs
Speaker 1: like and they're very very talented people, they just feel
Speaker 1: like they can't balance everything. And so we look a
Speaker 1: lot of underemployed moms like to do those roles because
Speaker 1: that's what you're also are looking for. I mean, as
Speaker 1: a parent that's buying food, you want to actually probably
Speaker 1: hear from another mom. So it works both ways. So
Speaker 1: I think a lot of companies should actually look for
Speaker 1: people that could help them in that way, like and
Speaker 1: so and for us, we don't it's maternally we're actually
Speaker 1: I think I'm the only person that had a baby.
Speaker 1: I can't think of other people that had babies that
Speaker 1: said um. But that being said, like we've talked a
Speaker 1: long time about what that's going to look like and
Speaker 1: when that happens, and like, I think we want to
Speaker 1: make sure that it's as flexible as possible for them
Speaker 1: to come back and integrate back in and like you know,
Speaker 1: what can they do and how much time they can have.
Speaker 1: Like we're obviously very small, but you know, I truly
Speaker 1: believe in that for society. So I think you have
Speaker 1: to put out there what you want in society. And
Speaker 1: so I think that's like why we try to balance
Speaker 1: and consider but the same UM, I think we have
Speaker 1: basically our brand director and our CFO c O are
Speaker 1: part time and they're both and they're both moms and
Speaker 1: works great for them. It's great. I think there's something
Speaker 1: so true and what Angel is saying is that there's
Speaker 1: like a workforce of women who are moms who can't
Speaker 1: figure out totally and there's some there's some companies that
Speaker 1: are coming out that are trying to like feed that
Speaker 1: talent to company to you know, to be that B
Speaker 1: two b um, which I think is super interesting Um,
Speaker 1: it was amazing. It works so well for us. I
Speaker 1: mean we have basically a Stanford Business School grad who
Speaker 1: has been a CFO c O at many companies and
Speaker 1: she's our part time CFO c O and she's couldn't
Speaker 1: be more impactful for the business, our brand director, and
Speaker 1: it works perfectly for her because she's like I get
Speaker 1: to be with my kid and also I'm working exactly
Speaker 1: And what's great about it is, I mean with a
Speaker 1: little bit of a specific citch with special situation because
Speaker 1: I've known her since I was twenty two, so the
Speaker 1: trust is insane. Like I mean, she makes her an hour,
Speaker 1: she makes HERMN schedule, and like I know everything will
Speaker 1: get done. Um. And our brand director is similar where
Speaker 1: I've known her since before we were open, and she's
Speaker 1: fantastic and she brib works another ten to twenty hours
Speaker 1: a week, and and they're both our works long works
Speaker 1: more twenty hours a week. But like it's just for
Speaker 1: us at this stage, like we don't have the ability
Speaker 1: to either afford either of these people a full time
Speaker 1: but also yeah, it's great for them. It's great for
Speaker 1: them too because we have this too. I mean I
Speaker 1: don't run a successful business but I do run a
Speaker 1: successful not for profit. I have a theater company that
Speaker 1: I started ten years ago. A successful business. Yeah, thank you,
Speaker 1: it's called I have a theater company. But um, we
Speaker 1: have like our managing director who does all of our
Speaker 1: funds and our money and all of that, Like we
Speaker 1: couldn't afford a full time person, but she also can
Speaker 1: afford a full time nanny. So it's this great idea
Speaker 1: of these like part time moms who are totally so amazing,
Speaker 1: and I'm so lucky to have her. It's like insane.
Speaker 1: I mean, the business would fall apart without her. She's
Speaker 1: the only person that knows like the actual logistical ship,
Speaker 1: like I don't even know, but she it's incredible because
Speaker 1: she only she can work like three days a week,
Speaker 1: full days, and that's what she could afford a nanny,
Speaker 1: and that's what makes sense financially for her family, which
Speaker 1: is a blessing, Like the way what she wants to do,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think for our especially for Claire who
Speaker 1: runs who is our CFOC, Like she wants to spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time with her family, Like that's hugely
Speaker 1: important to her, so for her to have this flexible job,
Speaker 1: but she gets still like she's like brilliant. It's just
Speaker 1: a wonderful arrangement. I think, Um, we recently moved from
Speaker 1: contractors to employees. Are our team really liked being freelancers,
Speaker 1: and I understand why, but we at some point we're like,
Speaker 1: we want to be We wanted a team of employees,
Speaker 1: and so I think some people resist that it's somewhere
Speaker 1: manicures didn't want that, UM, but those who did really
Speaker 1: leaned into the fact that there's actual benefits and there's
Speaker 1: actually like a company that you are protected by both
Speaker 1: us in the state, and so UM really excited, like
Speaker 1: as we get bigger, really excited to be like more
Speaker 1: like ritual. Do you guys? UM have advice for women
Speaker 1: in similar situations who are contemplating starting or running their
Speaker 1: own businesses. I have to tell you, guys, I have
Speaker 1: a bunch of friends who either got pregnant or have
Speaker 1: small babies and are having massive, like like huge questioning
Speaker 1: about what they've been spending their time doing, like very
Speaker 1: successful like high up executives entertainment industry, and just you know,
Speaker 1: having a baby has completely, in a beautiful way, changed
Speaker 1: their thoughts and their priorities and what they want to do.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean they want to work less and be
Speaker 1: home more. It means if they're going to be away
Speaker 1: from their kids, they have to be doing something they're
Speaker 1: super fucking passionate about. Think it's like the most I
Speaker 1: think that's probably why it's like it's the most clarifying
Speaker 1: moment for a lot of people, at least, Like for me,
Speaker 1: it was like why am I doing this other thing?
Speaker 1: Like if I could do all my energy, put all
Speaker 1: of it into it wasn't for the last words, right,
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like I get to have more flex
Speaker 1: spells ators for like I'm gonna do all of this.
Speaker 1: Let's make something huge, just change the world. Let's make
Speaker 1: something like big and exciting and like it can be
Speaker 1: what I wanted to be because I just saw it happened,
Speaker 1: like I just had a child, and that's like I
Speaker 1: made this little miracle happen. Like I can do this,
Speaker 1: Like I could do whatever I want, Like look at this,
Speaker 1: like I kept this thing alive. Yeah, it's like it's huge,
Speaker 1: and I pressed that like and so I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that it really is empowering so as much as like
Speaker 1: it's so hard if women just like step back and
Speaker 1: be like, wow, you did that, like nobody else said
Speaker 1: that you did that, Like you can really do anything.
Speaker 1: Like then it is that moment you get to look
Speaker 1: step back and say, is this what I want on
Speaker 1: in my life? I could do anything? And so like
Speaker 1: I encourage anybody that has that those thoughts, that doubts,
Speaker 1: like to really look through their life and think like
Speaker 1: like do I want to start a pie yeast? Do
Speaker 1: what I mean? Do I want to do this? Don't
Speaker 1: I want to get my voice out there? Do I
Speaker 1: want to, like, you know, do the things I've always
Speaker 1: wanted to do? Because you can. You just proved that
Speaker 1: you could, and so like or like join something, joined
Speaker 1: us call me hey, So it's like call me. You
Speaker 1: got those thoughts like we want people that want to
Speaker 1: do a lot like change the world, like and I
Speaker 1: think there's almost like this like no better time. But
Speaker 1: I think there's only inflection points in your life, you
Speaker 1: know where you're like, what do I do? Like is
Speaker 1: life going to be the same? And want of this
Speaker 1: is graduating college? You're like that's weird, Like my whole
Speaker 1: life has been divided into like semester like a human
Speaker 1: there's like no spring, like what do we do? This
Speaker 1: is real life like and then it's also married, like
Speaker 1: weirdly like even if you're not married, or that big
Speaker 1: moment where you like find someone because it's like, oh
Speaker 1: now I am tied to you as a human right
Speaker 1: And then babies like and babies is like, wow, is
Speaker 1: this what the rest of my life's going to look like?
Speaker 1: And it doesn't have to, but it doesn't make you
Speaker 1: think that way because like where am I going to
Speaker 1: be that raises this kid? But philosophies are going to choose,
Speaker 1: and I say, like grab onto those inflection points, like
Speaker 1: because it's your time to like ride it into something
Speaker 1: new or like change your life or like get into
Speaker 1: more or like dive deeper in and whether that means
Speaker 1: like stay home with your kid and like cherish that
Speaker 1: or like you know, lean into another thing. But it
Speaker 1: really does allow for that to happen, like it's like
Speaker 1: entreated like that, like it's it's an inflection point, like
Speaker 1: make make a decision now. Like I would say that
Speaker 1: I would agree with everything that angel is saying. I
Speaker 1: would also say that try to try to honestly critically
Speaker 1: analyze yourself and like what type of personality you are
Speaker 1: because like I'm in a I'm like in a rationally
Speaker 1: exuberant person that has tons of ideas, and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to bring all of in June to everyone.
Speaker 1: We're going to teach everyone to paint thrown nails, and
Speaker 1: like that's my personality and we're going to do it
Speaker 1: and we're gonna overtake it. We're gonna change the industry forever.
Speaker 1: There are other people on my team who are who
Speaker 1: want to be part of that vision but want to
Speaker 1: be more structure or want to be or like they
Speaker 1: they're kind of like nervous to be the person to
Speaker 1: say like we're going to teach everyone to pay thrown nails,
Speaker 1: But they're my CFO c O, and she wants to
Speaker 1: be part of that vision, but she wants to structure
Speaker 1: it out. She wants to build a team. Like I
Speaker 1: know what kind of personality you are, because I do
Speaker 1: not think that everyone should be an entrepreneur, but I
Speaker 1: think everyone if they feel the way that you just described,
Speaker 1: they should join an entrepreneurial like entrepreneurial journey. And so
Speaker 1: I think there's like I think knowing what type of
Speaker 1: personality you are, like Claire will say all the time,
Speaker 1: she's like, I am a number two. And it's not
Speaker 1: that she's saying like I'm not the I'm not Sarah.
Speaker 1: It's not about that. It's about what her personality and
Speaker 1: what she wants to do with her life. And like
Speaker 1: she's she's she's building more than I am, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: she's more. She's in some ways I think I report
Speaker 1: to her like she's she's more instrumental in some ways
Speaker 1: to the business than I am. But it's just different
Speaker 1: parts of the business. And so I think knowing your
Speaker 1: personality and where you can like thrive, whether it be
Speaker 1: joining a company or start earning a company, like I
Speaker 1: think that that's so important because if you start a
Speaker 1: company and you don't have that like irrational exuberant, the
Speaker 1: lows will will kill you. He'll be out, they'll crush you,
Speaker 1: and they're just too low. And you have to be
Speaker 1: the person that can get so high. Yeah, you have
Speaker 1: to wake up every day. It's like being an actor.
Speaker 1: It's like it is, but like waking up every day
Speaker 1: being like today is going to be the different day
Speaker 1: where everyone's gonna know to me. For the past three years,
Speaker 1: I haven't made a dollar and yet today I'm yeah,
Speaker 1: like I'm so fucking passionate about this. I have to
Speaker 1: be a scary storyteller. There's you know I learned this weekend.
Speaker 1: It was so eye opening. I learned this weekend that
Speaker 1: I want to hear a cat to your advice. I
Speaker 1: learned this weekend that I, I mean, someday, who knows
Speaker 1: what will happen. I'm an actor, my husband an actor.
Speaker 1: Who knows what will happen. I might have to be
Speaker 1: a stay at home mom. But I learned this weekend
Speaker 1: that I I actually don't like it, and I'm really
Speaker 1: bad at it. Like my nanny has been sick and
Speaker 1: I was home and so I had the baby and
Speaker 1: my husband has a job, so he was gone and
Speaker 1: I was just by myself with the baby for like
Speaker 1: a week, and um, it was I was terrible at it.
Speaker 1: Like I'm a much better mom when I get Okay,
Speaker 1: you have him from three to seven today, and like,
Speaker 1: I go so hard those four hours with him, and
Speaker 1: I read books and I pay attention and I'm focused
Speaker 1: and I'm patient and I and my phone is off
Speaker 1: and I know it's the time I get with him,
Speaker 1: and I'm very fortunate privileged to be able to make
Speaker 1: this choice, but I felt like, holy sh it, Like
Speaker 1: I have to work and I want to work in
Speaker 1: my life to be able to afford another person to
Speaker 1: help me raise my son because work brings me such
Speaker 1: joy and actually makes me a better mother. But like
Speaker 1: I feel bad about that even still is that crazy?
Speaker 1: Like I said, I was, like, I'm terrible. This is
Speaker 1: where I'm supposed to want to be, but it's not.
Speaker 1: Another time, I talked about this a lot about like
Speaker 1: where you find your sense of self and it doesn't
Speaker 1: have to always align like with what people think. You
Speaker 1: should find your sense of self, right, So, like I
Speaker 1: find my sense of self at work or productivity, but
Speaker 1: like that doesn't mean that I'm not great at the
Speaker 1: home or like I'm not like there or take care
Speaker 1: of it. It's just you also are a person, right,
Speaker 1: so you should take care of that who you are,
Speaker 1: and that's going to make you better in every other
Speaker 1: part of your life. And so like some people do
Speaker 1: find their sense of self at the home and then
Speaker 1: it's great and that helps them, that works, and then
Speaker 1: that's where they find the sense selfs so like they
Speaker 1: can and that makes them a better person in other
Speaker 1: parts of their life and when they're at work and stuff,
Speaker 1: when they get re energized at home, like you have
Speaker 1: to find where you find like you're re energized, right,
Speaker 1: so I think, but in all those situations you should
Speaker 1: find out how to find help. So even if you're
Speaker 1: someone that has help at home, maybe all the other
Speaker 1: parts of your life you need help into write. So
Speaker 1: we're all not better or worse for it. Actually, I
Speaker 1: think that at the end of the day, like it's
Speaker 1: actually a good thing to find out who you are
Speaker 1: and how you fit in, because then you know where
Speaker 1: to ask for help and you don't feel bad about it,
Speaker 1: because like it does feel like sometimes like shouldn't I
Speaker 1: be like like the person crawling on the floor chasing
Speaker 1: my child? And it's like then everyone Dave realized, No,
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be. Don't have to it happened to be.
Speaker 1: It was so eye opening. I worked so many hours.
Speaker 1: I went back to work when he was really little,
Speaker 1: and I would always say, I just want to be
Speaker 1: at home with my kid. I just want to be
Speaker 1: home my kid. Like why then was I saying that, Well,
Speaker 1: I've had some time with that now, and that is
Speaker 1: actually not true. I would like to be home with
Speaker 1: my kid for some of the time, you know, and
Speaker 1: like really quality time. But I don't want to be
Speaker 1: home with my kid all day. I don't. I was like,
Speaker 1: I hated it. I've never been so tired of my life.
Speaker 1: UM cat tell us um advice and what you would
Speaker 1: say to any woman you know who's thinking about starting
Speaker 1: a business or maybe really had a baby or is
Speaker 1: pregnant and is having like these thoughts of like, whatever
Speaker 1: her job is at the moment is not for her
Speaker 1: for sure. So I think he touched on it. But
Speaker 1: being a mom is the hardest job there is. There's
Speaker 1: no harder job in the world. I think we're all
Speaker 1: in agreement that because it's the you can't quit. It's
Speaker 1: the one that means the most, it's NonStop, it's the
Speaker 1: one you don't think about for the rest of your life. Like,
Speaker 1: no matter where your kid is your you're tethered and
Speaker 1: thinking about him or her. I'm in this WhatsApp group
Speaker 1: with a bunch of female entrepreneurs and they're all about
Speaker 1: to have babies or they all have had babies, and
Speaker 1: you see but shock and horror after they've given birth,
Speaker 1: and they're all like what do I do? Like babies
Speaker 1: not sleeping and they're not eating, and it's so shocking.
Speaker 1: I think when you have a child, there's nothing else like.
Speaker 1: And you see like in this What'sapp group but it
Speaker 1: won't name the entrepreneurs, but they're like really successful women
Speaker 1: that have built really big companies, are are really far
Speaker 1: in their careers and acting and whatnot, and they're just horrified.
Speaker 1: And it was a shock to me. That's what damn sure, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think that's important to realize. And then you
Speaker 1: kind of get over that hump and you realize, Wow,
Speaker 1: women are capable of so much and that's pretty incredible.
Speaker 1: And so I don't know, my advice would be not
Speaker 1: to be so hard on yourself. That's something I've personally
Speaker 1: struggled with a lot. And you really can only balance
Speaker 1: a couple of things this at a time. And you know,
Speaker 1: all of us are type A, so like, my relationship
Speaker 1: is going to be awesome, and my career is gonna
Speaker 1: be perfect, and my babies perfect, my job is going
Speaker 1: to be billy there. And I think at any given
Speaker 1: point there's only three things you can do semi well
Speaker 1: or semi okay, and not being so hard on yourself
Speaker 1: if something is just like failing miserably and just acknowledging
Speaker 1: that it is. UM. So that's been I think my
Speaker 1: my biggest struggle and advice that I wish I had
Speaker 1: years ago, being like cool, I sucked up awesome. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: of course. It sounds to me like you guys all
Speaker 1: had really strong passions and it sounds like you're equally
Speaker 1: as passionate about being moms. And this has been like
Speaker 1: so eye opening and inspiring and I cannot thank you
Speaker 1: enough Sarah and Cat and Angela for coming on Katie's
Speaker 1: Crib and for sharing your very impressive, inspiring, hard stories.
Speaker 1: I wish you guys the best of luck. In my business.
Speaker 1: We say break legs, but like I don't know what
Speaker 1: you say to female entrepreneurs who were kicking out in business. Um.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for being on Katie's Crib.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Thank you, thank you, Thank you
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