1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, sitting next to my partner in crime, 3 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: West Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here from our studios 4 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: at lambeau Field West. Were another day closer to the 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: NFC Championship Game, which we played on Sunday at Levi 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: Stadium in Santa Clara. Packers forty Niners, five pm Central 7 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 1: Time kickoff. I want to start the show today by 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: talking about a couple of offensive players for the Packers, 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: one who has been around for quite a while and 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: one who's only been around for a couple of months. 11 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: First off, the one has been around for a while, 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: wide receiver Davante Adams. Some interesting discussion yesterday with both 13 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers Davante Adams going to the podium in the 14 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: lambeau Field Media Auditorium here during Championship Week, kind of 15 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: following up on obviously adams big performance against the Seattle Seahawks. 16 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: Rogers comments after that game about the chemistry that he 17 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 1: feels now with Adams approaching that level that he had 18 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: with Jordy Nelson, and quite frankly, this is a connection. 19 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: It's definitely reaching that special level, and if it stays 20 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: at that level against a very, very formidable San Francisco defense, 21 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: it'll be really interesting to see what the Packers can 22 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: do out there on Sunday afternoon. Yeah. One thing that 23 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: stands out is obviously how important Davante Adams is to 24 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: the offensive rhythm of this team. When he was playing 25 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: in that first game against San Francisco, they were still 26 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: kind of getting back into a rhythm once again. It's 27 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: funny how that discussion has kind of gone by the wayside, 28 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: that whole thing about oh, Davante Adams is gone or 29 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: is back, but the offense is playing worse. It's it's 30 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: crazy how that that can that can quickly change, and 31 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: no one seems to ever I really want to address 32 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: it at that point. That's cool, um, But here we 33 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: are now with him. You know, you look at that 34 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: game last week and it was arguably one of Aaron 35 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: rodgers best performances, certainly in the postseason, and Davante Adams 36 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: was a big reason for it. That the connection that 37 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: they had not only on the scripted stuff, but even 38 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: the plays that they're drawn up in the sands, so 39 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: to speak, you know, before before the snap, like that 40 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: thirty two yard catch off the fade route, the route 41 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: adjustments and uh and those uh, those split second decisions 42 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: in the heat of the moment. Yeah. And you know, 43 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: Davante Adams for everything that he's accomplished, you know, in 44 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: in this maturation that he's been on here these last 45 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: few years, I don't think he gets enough credit, not 46 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: only for the building that relationship with Rogers, but doing 47 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: it as quickly as he did. You know, Jordy Nelson 48 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: was in this offense for three years, most of three 49 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: years before he became an elite receiver, a go to 50 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: guy in this offense. That happened during the Super Bowl 51 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: run of two thousand and ten and and he took 52 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: off from there in eleven. But Davante Adams, for all 53 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: intensive purposes, was doing this right off the bat. He 54 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: had performances like that in his rookie season. Now he 55 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: was the third option, but he still was an important 56 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: part of that NFC championship run. Two thousand sixteen was 57 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: his breakout year. They get to the NFC Title Game 58 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: and here they are again. Statistically twenty years from now, people, 59 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: I might not look at this as his finest season 60 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: because he missed the four games at the turf Toe. 61 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: But Davante Adams definitely is the primary playmaker in this offense. 62 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: And when you develop a relationship with Rogers and a 63 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: trust with Rogers that he's willing to put it out 64 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: there that this is right there with how he felt 65 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: it with Jordy Nelson after spending ten seasons with him, 66 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: I just feel like that's the ultimate praise. Yeah, I 67 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: think so too. And it's really special here where Davante 68 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: Adams is putting himself in the Packers postseason record books, 69 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: because not only did he break Jr. Michael Finley's single 70 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: game record getting a hundred and sixty yards against Seattle 71 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: last week, but he now has six touchdown catches in 72 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: the postseason in his career, which is tied for second 73 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: in Packer's history. And Sunday's game against Seattle was his 74 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: third one yard performance receiving performance in the playoffs, which 75 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: is tied for first in Packer's history. And when you 76 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: look at the way that breaks down in the in 77 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: the record book, last Sunday was only Adam's seventh postseason 78 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: game of his career, and these other guys that he's 79 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: tied for second or tied for first within these categories 80 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: have all played. They all played ten, eleven, twelve postseason 81 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: games in their career and Adams is at seven. So 82 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: I think that speaks a lot too, just his abilities 83 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: when the lights are brightest brightest, so to speak. He 84 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: is a He's a big time performer. He's a clutch 85 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: performer in the big games, and the Packers are certainly 86 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: going to rely on him here against the forty nine. 87 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: And when you think about him and Jordy Nelson, Randall, 88 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: Cob James Jones, all these top top receivers the Packers 89 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: have had, what's the number one trait that stands out 90 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: to you about all of them because they all were 91 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: different types of receivers, but it was in those big 92 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: moments they didn't shy away from it. Uh, Davante Adams. 93 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: If it's fourth in one and we've seen plays I 94 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: think Detroit was one of them where it's fourth in 95 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: one and they need a yard and yeah, that was 96 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: a big time conversion there that that was that was 97 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: a crucial part of that comeback. Yeah, and you need 98 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: a yard and you need to be able to move 99 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: the chains and Davante Adams is it. He's that guy. 100 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: He's become that guy. And for so many years that 101 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: was Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb and the guys that 102 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: are just you know, when the chips are down, who 103 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: do you trust? And for Rogers to have that faith 104 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: in Adams at this juncture of his career is incredible. 105 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: And the other thing is too, you know, this is 106 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: an offense that I think is it's always been rhythm based. 107 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: We've talked about that since the beginning. Even when they 108 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: you know, they do some of the unscripted stuff and 109 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: playoff schedule. The way that they moved the ball down 110 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: the field and the momentum that they derived that from, 111 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: it's all based on rhythm. And I think one of 112 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: the things I've always said was when you look at 113 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: Nelson and probably James Jones and specific, I feel like 114 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: Adams and capsulaves both of their games, both of their strengths. 115 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: He can run the stop routes, he can be consistent, 116 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: he can look for the change and move them. But 117 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: there's still that dynamic, big play aspect to his game. 118 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: Down the field. He can make those huge catches over 119 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: the shoulder um you know, being covered, and it doesn't 120 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: he doesn't bat an eye at it now you look 121 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: at a game like San Francisco and as I wrote 122 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: an insider inbox on on Thursday, I don't know what 123 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: their game plan is going to be. I don't know 124 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: if they're gonna have a lot of Richard Sherman on him, 125 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: if the safeties are going to be on top of him. 126 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: But as Adams, as he was speaking at the podium, 127 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: is part of the news conferences on Wednesday, he doesn't 128 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: really care. He feels like he's going to be able 129 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: to win and get open and he that goes back 130 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: to the very beginning with him, and he kind of 131 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: expounded on that about whether he was at Fresno State 132 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,559 Speaker 1: or even back to his high school days. He always 133 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: felt like, if I run my route better than you, 134 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: then then I know I can. You don't know what 135 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do, so I inherently have the advantage in that. 136 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: Then you met, you want to throw in the athleticism, 137 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: the vertical, the forty times, those type of things that 138 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: really separate him. So it's just it's been really fun 139 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: to watch. And again, he's twenty seven years old. He's 140 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: in the primaries career. Conversely, I think Shorty's twenty seven 141 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: year mark was in two thousand and twelve, So I 142 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: mean Davante Adams. There's a lot of football left to 143 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: be played and he's on path to be a real 144 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: special player. Yeah. Well, I had asked Aaron Rodgers when 145 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: he was at the podium yesterday. I asked him specifically 146 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: about Adams. We all know that Rogers has thought very 147 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: highly of Adams throughout his career, from the day he 148 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: arrived and as you said, the performances, a couple of 149 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: really big performances he had as a rookie. But I 150 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: asked him, Okay, so is there something about adams game 151 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: that is different this year that is leading to you 152 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: to talk about the make the comparison to the connection 153 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: that you had with Nelson, and Rogers basically pointed to 154 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: one thing, and it was it's Adam's memory. He focused on. 155 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: Recall was the word that he used. And I remember 156 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: conversations that I've had for doing yearbook stories and other 157 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: features and stuff with Rogers and Nelson, and all of 158 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: the conversations they talked about that they would have, whether 159 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: it would be in the hallway outside the meeting room 160 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: or on the sideline at practice or on the sideline 161 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: during a game, talking about all these different things that 162 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: would come up in the past. Hey do you remember 163 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: this from Miami? And or how about that against the 164 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: Giants in and Rogers and Nelson had that, And what 165 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: Rogers was saying is that he's hearing Davante Adams bringing 166 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: those types of past moments and past situations up in 167 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: conversation now a lot more often. His his recall is 168 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: getting to the level that Nelson's was. And we all 169 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: know about Aaron Rodgers encyclopedic memory when it comes to 170 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: everything that's happened, every third down situation in this stadium 171 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: or that stadium, or that season, or fourth quarter, first 172 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: quarter or whatever. I mean, his mind is incredible in 173 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: that way, and he's able to develop the connection with 174 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: the receivers when they start to remember things in much 175 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: the same ways that he does. And I think that's 176 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: where this thing is headed now with Adam. Yeah, because 177 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: everyone it's it's been a big line and the conversation 178 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: people have had for years now about being on the 179 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: same page with Rogers, and I think one of the 180 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: things about it is, you know, everybody, I'm sure you 181 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: did it too in college. You have your group reports, 182 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: and if you're a tremendous student and you know the 183 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: material really well, if you have four or five people 184 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: in your group and you can lead that group, okay, 185 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: could you still get an A if everybody else is 186 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: just kind of lackluster and you know, maybe not pulling 187 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: their weight. Yeah, you're probably good enough to do that. 188 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: But what can you accomplish When you surround yourself with 189 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: people that are just as motivated as you are, just 190 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: as well researched as you are, you can get a 191 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: lot done. And I think when people always think back 192 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: to two thousand and eleven, there was obviously a lot 193 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: of talent there, but there was a lot of people 194 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: that were at the peak of their athletic primes but 195 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: also very dedicated to their craft. And Davante Adams learned 196 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: from all of these guys. He's known James Jones since 197 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: I think he was in high school, you know, growing 198 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: up in that connection that goes way back historically. He 199 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: worked with Jordy Nelson, you know, for three years. He'd 200 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: been with Randall Cobb for the past four years. These 201 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: guys all left those impressions on him of not only 202 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: how to approach your business, but how to lead. And 203 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: I feel like when he was thrown into that role, 204 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: he was welcoming to it. And there's gonna be receivers 205 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: here in the next few years. Al Lazard might even 206 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: be one of them. Now that they're gonna be guys 207 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: coming in. There's gonna be that next Davante Adams, there's 208 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: gonna be that next Randall Cobb in so much to say, 209 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: you're not going to get the identical guy, but you're 210 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: gonna get players, young receivers that he's going to have 211 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: to mentor just like Nelson and Cobb mentored him. And 212 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: I think he really understands that, appreciates it and knows 213 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: that the more he understands and the more that he 214 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: can call, the better it's going to make that group 215 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: project for Rogers and the Packers. Yeah, no question about it. Well, 216 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: I mentioned we'd also talk about a player who's only 217 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: been here a couple of months with regards to this offense, 218 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: and I'm referring to running back Tyler Irvine. Packers picked 219 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: him up in November, I guess late November. I think, yes, 220 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: I believe his first game was Washington. Yeah, threw him 221 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: in right away on returns, pump returns, kickoff returns made 222 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: a quick impact there. But the interesting thing here about 223 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: the evolution of his involvement and his impact on this 224 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: team is now what he's doing on the offensive side. 225 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: We've seen We've seen some some jet sweeps, handoff pitch 226 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: type of plays. We've seen him run some wheel routes 227 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: out of the backfield. No past receptions or you know, 228 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: deep connections down the field, but those are in the 229 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: playbook as well. This is really interesting how this has 230 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: evolved because Tyler Irvin has always just been kind of 231 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: pegged as a special team's gap, and that's not who 232 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: he is here with the Packers, and he's gotten to 233 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: this expanded role in a very short amount of time. 234 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: So I can't I can't tell you what happened in 235 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: Houston or Baltimore, Jacksonville. I don't know. I didn't follow 236 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: him as much then, but it was really interesting a 237 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: conversation I had with with Aaron Jones. It was about 238 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: a week or two ago about Irvin because he's the 239 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: one that came up with the swerve and Irvan nickname, 240 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: and it has been really complimentary of him, and I 241 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: just that was Jones who came up. I didn't. I 242 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: didn't realize that. So it was funny at least in 243 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: the Green Bay locker room. Maybe he had it elsewhere, 244 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: but he is incredibly familiar with him, and I thought 245 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: that that was interesting. I'm like, because I didn't. To 246 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: be honestly, I didn't know anything about Tyler Irvan until 247 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: the Packers claimed him. And he said, yeah, I went 248 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: back to my time at UTEP because he would look 249 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: at the league leaders, the leaders in the country in 250 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: terms of rushing, and there was this little, you know, 251 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: smaller back much like himself at saying was a state 252 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: that was just running over everybody, and Irvin had like 253 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: total yards his last two years there, in addition to 254 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: everything he did as a returner. And it was funny 255 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: to me going back and looking at the scouting reports 256 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: of him getting the two thousand sixteen draft, because he 257 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: was a fourth round pick of the Houston Texans and 258 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: everybody was drawing these comparisons Jamal Charles H. Darren sprawls 259 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: that this guy could be a really dynamic playmaker and 260 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: at the time it looked like the Texans we're going 261 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: to pair him with Lamar Miller. So in three years 262 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: with Houston, he only had nineteen touches offensively in addition 263 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: to what he did a kickoff and punt returns. They 264 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: eventually moved on from him. He lands in Baltimore on 265 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: their practice squad, they move on from him, and then 266 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: he ends up being claimed by Jacksonville. The thing that 267 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: ties this all together then is Aaron Rodgers going to 268 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: the podium and talking about the conversations he had with 269 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: John Wojahowski and with John Eric Sullivan, the Packers personnel directors, 270 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: and that the Packers have had an eye on Irvin 271 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: for some time in all the stars finally aligned for 272 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: him to come into Green Bay. So, whether it's the 273 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: Packers personnel department, whether it's Aaron Jones, this guy really 274 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: hasn't surprised anybody, but seeing what he has added to 275 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 1: those jet sweeps and those pre snap motions, it's important 276 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: because it seemed like all year long the Packers were 277 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: kind of searching for who that guy was gonna be. 278 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: Trevor Davis did a little bit, Geronimo Allison did it, 279 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: and Lazar did it again last week. But with Irvin, 280 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: for the first time that I can recall, last week, 281 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: you actually saw him start to be utilized in that 282 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: pistol formation with the two running backs, and the Packers 283 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: are running plays off of that for a guy that 284 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: wasn't on the roster six seven weeks ago. When you 285 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: talk about differences and why this matchup could be different, 286 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: I just think that this adds a new wrinkle that 287 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: San Francisco is gonna have to prepare for. Yeah, I mean, 288 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: it's definitely a changeup, And in some ways it was 289 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: born out of necessity because Irvin started getting more snaps 290 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: on offense when Jamal Williams was injured and he was 291 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: being rested, particularly in the Detroit game the regular season 292 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: finale in Week seventeen. But then it's just the more 293 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: snaps that Irvin got on offense, the more Matt Lafleur 294 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: and the offensive coaches were saying, yeah, like, I mean, 295 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: Tyler Irvin isn't suddenly going to get the ball twenty 296 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: times on offense, not when you have Aaron Jones and 297 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: Davante Adams and whatnot. But the coaching staff felt like, hey, 298 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: we we there's a role for this guy. There's a 299 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: way that we can use him, and we're going to 300 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: continue to use and moving forward. So um much like 301 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: you know j Sternberger in a sense, the rookie tight 302 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: end who spent the first first half of his rookie 303 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: season on injured reserve and then and then was activated. 304 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: Now he's only made one catch. He made his first 305 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: NFL catch last week, but we've seen him, yeah with 306 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: the fifteen yard penalty attacked on, but we've seen him 307 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: get more and more snaps here down the stretch as 308 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: the season goes along, because every time he's in the game, 309 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: the film shows an impact of some kind, and that 310 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: kind of stuff doesn't go unnoticed. So even though you know, 311 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: here we are talking about two guys that are getting 312 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: upwards of a dozen or even two dozen snaps on 313 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: offense here as the Packers are in the postseason, they 314 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: were getting zero in the first half of the season. 315 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: But it just it just goes to show you how 316 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: a team doesn't stay static, it doesn't stay the same. 317 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: There's this constant evolution and uh and Matt Lafleur and 318 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: and the offensive coaches have certainly paid heed to that well. 319 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: And this is why I also like this move for 320 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: Brian Goodkins, because you know, there was a time there 321 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: that he was you know, the Packers were kind of 322 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: getting sort of railed on for trading Trevor Davis away. Yeah, 323 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: and you know, I think that took a lot of 324 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: people by surprise. They got a six round draft pick 325 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: for it. I'll admit it took me by surprise, just 326 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: just based on just based on how we had seen 327 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: Davis being used in training camp, in the preseason games 328 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: and whatnot. I thought they they had sort of the 329 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: niche for him on offense and that they wanted to 330 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: use him in that way. But then they decided to 331 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: move on. So he goes to Oakland and they claim 332 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: Trey Smith, and things didn't really work out with Smith, 333 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 1: and they you know, they try again and they go 334 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 1: and find Tyler Irvin. Now, the one benefit to that 335 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: because a lot of times you want to keep your 336 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: core as consistent as possible through the season. But again, 337 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: this is a conversation I think I've said before on 338 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: the show, but I go back to that the talk 339 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: I had with Tim Mass eight years ago. You know, 340 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: if you're a specialist, if you're a return er, if 341 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: you're even on specially like the playbook isn't as expansive, 342 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: you can come in and make an impact, whether it's 343 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: a kicker, punter, returner, lungs, what what have you, you 344 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: can slide in and Irvin has done that. And I 345 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: think it's a credit to good accounts because you know, 346 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: they wanted to get better on their returns. They also 347 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: were able to get some draft equity for it, but 348 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: they were able to eventually, through that process find an answer. 349 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: And you know, I think, I want to say, Dallas 350 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: Morning News wise or with Rick Goslin's ratings, I think 351 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: the Packers are probably gonna end up in that fifteen 352 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: to twenty range for they're going to be somewhere in 353 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: the middle of the past, which when you consider where 354 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: things were looking in the middle of the season, it's 355 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: just incredible what Irvin has been able to add both 356 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: on kickoffs returns and then and punt returns, in addition 357 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: to the fact that the Packers are covering a lot better. 358 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: And for Matt Lafleur and his coaching staff to say, 359 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: you know what, we're seeing what this guy's doing on 360 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: special teams, we think he can help us on offense. 361 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: That's the life of an NFL coach and that's the 362 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,479 Speaker 1: life of an NFL team. Understanding your personnel, learning what 363 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: their strengths are in finding ways to implement It doesn't 364 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: matter which phase of the game it is. I mean, 365 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: we we covered that Detroit game a couple of weeks ago, 366 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: Jamal egg News catching passes, you know, and they're doing 367 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: things with him with the Lions. So I mean, that's 368 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: just the way this game goes. And for the Packers, 369 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: if you're looking for difference makers, if you're looking for 370 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: reasons to believe this game could be different, it's not 371 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: gonna be Tyler Irvin probably having a hundred and fifty 372 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: total yards. But it could be a punt return, it 373 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: could be an end around that goes you know well 374 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: and breaks for a for an explosive gain. All these 375 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: things are things that have to be in the back 376 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: of your mind. So for Irvin as Jamal as Aaron 377 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: Jones says, adding a little bit more lightning to this offense, 378 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: that all creates more mismatches potentially for green Bay to exploit. Yeah. Well, 379 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: one other thing I want to get to before we 380 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: go today, West will switch gears to the defensive side 381 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: of the ball for a minute. Um. Some of the 382 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: conversations that were going on in the locker room with 383 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: players after practice yesterday. It was interesting. Blake Martinez shared 384 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: with a few reporters, including me, I'm gonna be writing 385 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: about this on our website actually later today that when 386 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: the team came back from the blowout loss in San Francisco, 387 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: you're heading into a regular Monday. You're going to come in, 388 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: the coaches are going to show certain aspects of the film. 389 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: It's sort of like a full team, you know, film 390 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: review study. But the defensive guys got together and they 391 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: all showed up an hour early, and they got together 392 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: just as a defense. They had put in a request 393 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: with the video department to say, hey, we want we 394 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: want the video of all of the explosive plays that 395 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: we've given up up on the season to that point 396 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,719 Speaker 1: it was whatever twelve eleven, eleven games into the season. 397 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: We want video of all the explosive plays. We're gonna 398 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: look at them. We're gonna try to, you know, get 399 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: to the bottom of this. And they spent an hour 400 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: in the film room together going over this stuff and 401 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: and in essence discovering that the communication on the defensive 402 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: side of the ball, there were too many assumptions being 403 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: made about you know, Okay, this is my job and 404 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: this is that guy's job. And they figured out, with 405 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: the help of Mike Petton and practice repetition and everything, 406 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: that they've now become this very noisy, talkative defense. Than 407 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: and Trumont Williams used the phrase over communicate. They over 408 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: communicate everything defensively, and it's a big it's a big 409 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: part of how this unit has cut down on the 410 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: explosive plays. And I just found the story interesting because 411 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: you wrote the story back in the preseason or towards 412 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: the start of the regular season where the defensive group 413 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 1: come back from Baltimore in the preseason where they had 414 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: just played the first quarter against Lamar Jackson and the 415 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: Ravens and that offense, and they didn't like how things 416 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: had gone, so they came back and got together and 417 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: looked at it and you know, started to try to 418 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: fix some things on their own. It sounds like there's 419 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: a similar group of guys that did that coming back 420 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: from the San Francisco game. And there's no denying statistically 421 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: that this Packers defense has played a heck of a 422 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,479 Speaker 1: lot better down the stretcher than it was through the 423 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: middle portion season when all those explosive plays were happening. 424 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: And then it kind of all came to a head 425 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: in San Francisco with the blowout defeat. Yeah, it's kind 426 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: of I was kind of awe struck by when you 427 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: mentioned this story to me, because obviously you were over 428 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: in Martinez's huddle. I was over talking to Brian Blogg 429 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: at the time. And the thing that stands out to 430 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: me about the Baltimore story edition to the Ravens being really, 431 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: really good that we weren't quite sure at that time, 432 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: but yeah, they turned out to be a pretty dark 433 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: and good club. So it was how well the Packers 434 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: played through that month of September and at the end 435 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: of the preseason that that was kind of the one hole, 436 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: so to speak, into that for them to do this 437 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: again after the San Francisco loss, to me, that's again revisiting, revisiting, 438 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: taking stock of where you are and trying to find 439 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: ways to improve for the final stretch. And it's been 440 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: very coincidental that Green Bay played as well as they 441 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: did in September and they played as well as they 442 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: did defensively in December after both of those conversations. The 443 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: thing that it stands out to me about the overcommunicating thing, 444 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: because it's it's one thing just to say it right. 445 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: It's it's one thing to say, oh, we're gonna over communicate, 446 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: we're gonna work on that. But those of the way 447 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,479 Speaker 1: I kind of look at it, it's sort of like 448 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: your mom telling you to clean your room. Right. She 449 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: can tell you once and you're like, yeah, I'm gonna 450 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: do it. Don't worry about it. We got this. If 451 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: she keeps nagging you, or it could be your father too, 452 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: by the way, if she keeps on you, he keeps 453 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 1: on you about it. Did you clean your room? Did 454 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: you clean your room? Did you clean your room? Did 455 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: you clean your room? Eventually can be like, all right, fine, 456 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna clean the room. I got this. All right, 457 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: We're good, and you're gonna do it because you want 458 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: to be done with it. And I look at this 459 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: very similar with this defense there. All these guys know 460 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: what they're doing. They've been studying this thing since April. 461 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: Some of these guys have been in the defense for 462 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: two years now. With Petton. They understand the responsibilities everything 463 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: like that. But it is sometimes that just getting on 464 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: me about it again, talk a little bit more. Can 465 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: you remind everybody what their assignment is? Can you tell 466 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 1: people what you're doing and who's got this player. That 467 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: stuff is important because that's where you go from okay, 468 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: you're sure that something is going to be covered to eight. 469 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,959 Speaker 1: And I think that's one thing that was my big 470 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: takeaway here is when you look at the reduction and 471 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: explosive plays, a lot of times, as much as people 472 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: want to put it on one player, they want to 473 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: put it on this aspect of the game just so 474 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: they can understand the reasons something's faltering. Realistically, at a 475 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: lot of times it goes back to how that unit 476 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: as a whole is performing. And some of the guys 477 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: were talking about two is that you know they in essence, 478 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: they were getting away with some of the lack of 479 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: communication because the explosive plays weren't killing them necessarily. They 480 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: were still winning games. A lot of the explosive plays 481 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: they were giving up, they were good enough defensively to 482 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: rise up in the red zone, get the stop and 483 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: allow the field goal. But then when what happened in 484 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: San Francisco where some explosive plays happened, the offense had 485 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: a bad day, the defense was getting gash, particularly late 486 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: first half and into the second half, where the game 487 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: got out of hand. Suddenly they look at it and go, okay, 488 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: well it really cost us. And if we want to 489 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: get to the super Bowl, if we want to make 490 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: a playoff run, that forty Niners team, that's the level 491 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: that we need to get to, you know. So is 492 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: you know, I hate to use the the the overused 493 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: phrase wake up call, but in a sense that San 494 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: Francisco game really was the wake up call for the 495 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: defense that it's like, Okay, what we've been doing. The 496 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: forty Niners proved that what we've been doing is not 497 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: going to cut it. And uh um, and so they 498 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: had kind of the players only beating type of thing 499 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: with the film session that then led into the rest 500 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: of the full team review of what happened in San Francisco, 501 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: and and Tremont Williams point blank said he doesn't think 502 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: that the team would be where it is right now. 503 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: They wouldn't be as good a team as they are 504 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: right now if um, what happened in San Francisco hadn't happened. 505 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: He says, it turns out it was a good thing 506 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: as much as yes, it's the game that has decided 507 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: this championship game being played out West as opposed to 508 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: lambeau Field. But in the bigger picture, it's what this 509 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: Packers team needed to get themselves squared away. Jimmy Garoppolo 510 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: in that game fourteen completions for two fifty three yards 511 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: and the San Francisco nine point nine yards per passed. 512 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: The Packers were one point nine in that game. You 513 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: talk about you know what, Kyle Shanahan, Matt Foor saying, 514 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: this is gonna be a different game. It's going to 515 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: be a different game. Those reasons you're not going to 516 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: see that again. The thing that Green Bay needs a 517 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: center on now is can you get the takeaways that 518 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: they didn't get the first time. That's what I keep 519 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: coming back to Jimmy Garoppolo. I think there's been three 520 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: games this year, maybe four where he's not had to 521 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: turn over, whether it be an interception or a past. 522 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 1: If you reduce the explosive plays and force them to make, 523 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: you know, to go further down the field, farther down 524 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: the field, that's where you're gonna get those chances. Yeah, 525 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: takeaways on defense and third downs on offense. Right, But 526 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: you know what, we're treading into keys to victory territory. 527 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: That's tomorrow's show, so we'll call it a wrap on 528 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all 529 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: of our coverage of the team here on NFC Championship 530 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: Week on Packers dot com, Subscribe to us, like us 531 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: on iTunes and other podcast services, and check out all 532 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: the great video content on the Packers YouTube channel for West, 533 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: I'm Mike. Thanks for tuning in, everybody, See you next time.