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Speaker 1: Warning. This podcast contains spoilers for shea Helc Episode nine,

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Speaker 1: the finale of the She Hulk series, Werewolf by Night

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Speaker 1: end House of the Dragon episode eight, so be warned. Hello.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jason Sepsi and welcome to x ray

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Speaker 1: Vision the Crocket podcast, where we dive deep into your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. In this episode,

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Speaker 1: we will be discussing she Helc Episode nine, the grand

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Speaker 1: finale with our good friend Cody Zigler. On the previously

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Speaker 1: on we will be diving into Marvel Studios special presentation

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Speaker 1: Werewolf by Night in the Airlock. It's House of the

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Speaker 1: Dragon episode eight, plus the Ask the Master segment. If

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Speaker 1: you want to jump around, check the show notes for

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Speaker 1: time stamps, and of course joining me today is the

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Speaker 1: writer and Comics and cyclopedia the number one Ring of

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Speaker 1: Oh hello?

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited to talk about all this stuff, especially

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Speaker 2: that She Hulk finale is wild.

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Speaker 1: It is Wild's folks now. Quick note, yes, Amazon did

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Speaker 1: not provide screeners for the Rings of Power finale, so

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Speaker 1: that episode is dropping after we record this episode, which

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Speaker 1: is sad for us because we've been having such a

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Speaker 1: good time discussing the show, and we've been on such

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Speaker 1: a great run of doing it, but we won't be

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Speaker 1: able to discuss it this episode. We'll discuss it next week,

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Speaker 1: where we'll also be catching up with and or another

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Speaker 1: show that is really hitting Astride. It is really great

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Speaker 1: right now, so we'll be talking about those two shows

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Speaker 1: in the future coming up in the weeks to follow,

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Speaker 1: so don't worry, folks. Up next the she Hulk finale.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now in the Hive Mind to discuss episode

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Speaker 1: nine of she Hulk the fourth Wall all eviscerating finale

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Speaker 1: is our good friend Cody zig Ziggler, one of the

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Speaker 1: writers on she Help and of course the part of

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Speaker 1: the creative team of Miles Morales Spider Man. Cody, how

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Speaker 1: are you Zig What the hell?

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Speaker 3: I'm good here, Glad to be back.

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Speaker 4: I've been telling you guys for weeks that the finale

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Speaker 4: you have we're watching it, and you invited me back

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Speaker 1: I guess let's do a quick recap, just a very

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Speaker 1: very brief recap before we get into it. So, first

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Speaker 1: of all, unbelievable late seventies early eighties Incredible Hulk Bill

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Speaker 1: Bixby credits scene like shot for shot remake of the

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Speaker 1: Incredible Hulk TV series credits scene. Jen wakes up in custody.

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Speaker 1: She has to have a plea deal in order to

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Speaker 1: She loses her job. One thing leads to another another.

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Speaker 1: She continues to investigate the uh the Intelligentsia with Nikki's help,

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Speaker 1: They're meeting at Emil Blonski's retreat, where the Abomination is

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Speaker 1: the key speaker. Jen shreds the fourth wall, saying what

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Speaker 1: who is like a Mojo World writer director AI algorithm

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Speaker 1: that stands for Knowledge Enhanced Video, the Video Interconnectedy, Interconnectivity Nexus,

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Speaker 1: and Jen repitches him on the on the season finale

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Speaker 2: Plus yeah, punches a way out.

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Speaker 1: So tell us about this. How did this happen?

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is all from the twisted mind of

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Speaker 3: Like plot plot, plot plot, and we're like, yeah.

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Speaker 4: This is a sitcom. Like guy would always Jessica would

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Speaker 2: The thing I love about it is it like it

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Speaker 2: Why does every Marvel movie end with something you know,

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Speaker 2: Line kills me when he's like tell me about the

438
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Speaker 2: infinitey Gonelet and he's like it's fabulous.

439
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

440
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 4: It was so cool because like that was like we

441
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 4: were leaving as they were shooting that, so like you

442
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 4: a US walk out and there's like Captain America's shield,

443
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,959
Speaker 4: the Infinity Gune, like the Wakandans spears, like all the

444
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 4: cool props that like like Thor's hammer, like all the

445
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,160
Speaker 4: stuff that like I was geeking out about like when

446
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 4: it first came down and like seeing it in person,

447
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 4: I was like, oh wow, Like I feel like I

448
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 4: could actually snap away half the universe if I picked

449
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 4: this thing up. It was super super cool.

450
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess like that leads me to one of

451
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 2: the questions, because this is like you, the reason you're

452
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 2: co host on this show, the reason you love like

453
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 2: you are a fan, right, You're someone like us who

454
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 2: just loves this stuff so much. So how does it

455
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 2: feel in twenty twenty two to not only have made

456
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 2: your debut in the MCU physically, to have had your

457
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: first staff writer gig, which was on an MCU show debut,

458
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 2: but now you are also writing Miles Morales in the

459
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,640
Speaker 2: comments like how you feeling? How are you feeling about

460
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 2: all that?

461
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 3: It's it's crazy.

462
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Speaker 4: I feel like I say this every single time you

463
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 4: guys ask me. But truly is surreal, Like it's it's

464
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 4: so wild, like because for me, the end game no

465
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 4: pun was always like I want to like write for

466
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Speaker 4: a Marvel movie or TV show.

467
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Speaker 3: So getting the.

468
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Speaker 4: First job, I'm like, oh wait, now now what do

469
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 4: I do? Like, now I do I can do my

470
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 4: other dreams like I got. I mean, truly, I have

471
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 4: to give a big shout out to Gal for giving

472
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Speaker 4: me the job, but also to zeb Wells for getting

473
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Speaker 4: me into comic books. Like like if I if I

474
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Speaker 4: hadn't met him, I would not have gotten in the

475
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,199
Speaker 4: comic books and gotten my dream job, which is writing

476
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 4: for for for Miles Morales. Like he's the one who

477
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 4: got me my first amazing Spider Man runs. Was him,

478
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Speaker 4: Like he's the one that got me my first like

479
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 4: ten page like back up for for Miles Morales. So

480
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 4: like it's really crazy like writing this and like I

481
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 4: know we didn't get to run into each other comic Con,

482
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 4: but like walking around the floor and seeing like little

483
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 4: kids stressed up as Spider Man was like breaking my

484
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Speaker 4: little heart.

485
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Speaker 3: Like this one kid spider Punks.

486
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Speaker 4: Yeah, there was like a ton of spider Punks like

487
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 4: that was there's like a Miles Morales spider Punk. But

488
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 4: there was this one kid. His name was Nick. He

489
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 4: was like fourteen, He had braces on, he like had

490
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 4: the squaky voice like this, and like came to me.

491
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Speaker 4: He was like he was like I really love Spider Man.

492
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 4: I was like I can tell man. He's like, and

493
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Speaker 4: I want to write comic books. One day I was like,

494
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Speaker 4: you're gonna do it, kid, so like all that was

495
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 4: like so heartwarming and so cool, and like Astantley brought

496
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Speaker 4: me back to like why I want to do this,

497
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Speaker 4: Like it's it's been a really really cool career and

498
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Speaker 4: I cannot give enough props to Jessica for putting me

499
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Speaker 4: on and then zeb Wells for putting me onto to

500
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Speaker 4: comic books.

501
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Speaker 1: That's so awesome thinking about like the comic bookiness of

502
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 1: this show. You know, one of the things that I

503
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 1: think comic book readers understand like instinctively is that each

504
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: title has its own tone. And like when you're thinking,

505
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: like you know, in the great debate of like oh

506
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Speaker 1: does the thing beat a de powered Hulk? Does does

507
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 1: a red she Hulk beat a red hul you know,

508
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 1: like these kind of conversations, really the answer is like, well, okay,

509
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: whose book is it? And with she Hulks. I was

510
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: thinking about this because you know, like there have been

511
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Speaker 1: a lot of you know, some of the conversation out

512
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: there was like, oh, when they bring in Dared Devil,

513
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Speaker 1: like we're worried about the you know, the Daredevil tone

514
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: on the Netflix show was one thing, but then will

515
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: they water it down when he's in the MCU. What

516
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Speaker 1: does it mean, if Daredevil appears on a she Hulk show,

517
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Speaker 1: will that like alter the kind of like a gritty, physical,

518
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: street level tone that he has. I wonder if you

519
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: could talk a little bit about that idea of of

520
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: each kind of title, each book, and now each show

521
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: kind of having their own tone that that defines what

522
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: the show is but doesn't necessarily need to affect other

523
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: shows other things. You know, it's like really a self

524
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Speaker 1: contained world.

525
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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I mean, I mean, you guys both know,

526
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 4: but like the answer is like it's that's comics baby,

527
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 4: like like if you're reading, like, like I'll take Deadpool

528
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Speaker 4: because it's a great example. Like Deadpool in his run

529
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 4: is very very comedic, obviously, like in a bunch of

530
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 4: different rights have interpreted him in a bunch of different ways,

531
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Speaker 4: but like when he pops up in like the Xports books,

532
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 4: like he's still sort of humor, but like it's much

533
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Speaker 4: more serious, like like I always think of, Like the

534
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 4: two examples that I think of is like he when

535
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Speaker 4: he was in the X Force. There's like a run

536
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 4: where like they have to go to I mean it's

537
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 4: the comic books. They have to go to the moon

538
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 4: to like kill some people.

539
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 3: Whatever.

540
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Speaker 4: But there's a scene where, like, you know, where a

541
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 4: logan Wolverine is like I'm gonna fucking kill this kid

542
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 4: because I'm the best at what I do and what

543
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 4: I do is very nice, and Deadpool's like that's where

544
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 4: I draw the line. Like he has a very like dramatic,

545
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 4: like you know, character building one where he's like, I'm

546
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 4: not going to do this, and then the same book

547
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 4: he's like one of his mates is like starving and

548
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 4: like he's just like cutting pieces of his flesh off

549
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 4: to feed him. You know, it's like it's goofy and

550
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 4: like and like he's so he's serious in that book,

551
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 4: but he's also a very comedic in his own book.

552
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 4: But like that's the exact same way that we approached

553
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 4: like like these characters, specifically Daredevil, I'm like, yeah, Dared Doubil,

554
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 4: I mean he won. He jokes in his comic, his

555
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 4: own comic, like particularly like Mark Wade stuff, like he's

556
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 4: a light hearted guy. He's not just I think I

557
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 4: think a lot of people sort of see Frank Miller's

558
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 4: version of Darre Ubel and haven't really read much past that,

559
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 4: and like it's a good run. But also you know,

560
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 4: it was like forty years ago at this point. The

561
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 4: character has evolved much since then, so like there's very

562
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 4: much the tone that we struck for, Like for that

563
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 4: character in particular is like, yes, like he is grounded,

564
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 4: he's very gritty in his world, but like this is

565
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 4: a sitcom, so like you can't like you're not just

566
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 4: gonna have the punish your show up in like uh,

567
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 4: like a lighthearted book and be like super gritty because

568
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 4: like it's just gonna be a weirdah.

569
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

570
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 4: Is the humor that he's still stuck in this one

571
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 4: particular way of writing in like a puppy dog world

572
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 4: or whatever. But that was that was like our thought

573
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 4: process going in.

574
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Speaker 2: I love that. And also like the irony is people

575
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: actually forget like Punisher is a Spider Man character, Like

576
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 2: he was always some gun you know, he always had guns,

577
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: but he wasn't some like yeah AK forty seven toting

578
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 2: like mass murderer.

579
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Speaker 3: It wasn't always Max Punisher, you know exactly.

580
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 2: It's not always Max. Yeah. And also the other thing

581
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 2: that I actually saw that I loved. I saw so

582
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 2: many you know what. The Netflix version is so beloved

583
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 2: and that's amazing. I'm so glad it exists, like sexy

584
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: catholic guilt. Matt is great, but I saw so many

585
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 2: people who were just so stoked to see happy Matt,

586
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: which is like a comic book trope, like people want

587
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: to see Matt happy. He's happy, like you said, you know,

588
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: you get to see these different versions of him Mark Wade,

589
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: Charles Saul, Like there are versions of him where he

590
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: gets to laugh, where he gets to have a little

591
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: bit of fun. And the great thing about She Hulk

592
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: is it being set in LA It's almost just like

593
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: a vacation for him.

594
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, like he's moonlighting, like like he's gone. He

595
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 4: really goes through it in the Netflix series, like I

596
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 4: mean they he goes through yeah, like the third season,

597
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 4: like it finally ends on him sort of like being happy,

598
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 4: like oh wow, Like it's like, oh wow, this is

599
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 4: what Matt can look like when he smiles. That's sort

600
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 4: of like Also another thing that we sort of came

601
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 4: around to is that like, yeah, like he's out here

602
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 4: in La like it's sunny, like there's no traffic, when

603
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 4: there's traffic where there's not people aren't always walking here

604
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 4: like you know, like he's letting his he's letting his

605
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 4: hair down, like a little bit enjoying himself.

606
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: He's hooking up with a woman who's not inevitably going

607
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: to get like murdered or maimed because he's just enjoying life,

608
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: having a good time.

609
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 3: Can you ask.

610
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Speaker 1: How much conversation you know, if you're aware of it,

611
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: how much conversation was around? How long until she hulk

612
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: pops out of the menu screen? Like, was there any

613
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: worry that people would be like sopranoed and thinking that

614
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: they're thinking that they're Disney Plus it glitched out and

615
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: like returned them to the screen.

616
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 4: I wasn't there for that conversation, but I was watching it.

617
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 4: I was watching with someone and she had no context.

618
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 4: So like when she was like what is this and

619
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 4: like it pops back to the screen, she was like,

620
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 4: oh shit, that I hit the position controller, Like like.

621
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: They give it you, Yeah, they give it.

622
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 4: Just m up pregnant pause and then like Jen has

623
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 4: like her voiceover and then she's like, wait, what is happening?

624
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 4: And it was I don't know what the conversation was,

625
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 4: but I feel like the timing was perfect. I'm sure

626
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 4: they trusted Jessica to like know that and the editors, editings,

627
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 4: they have to know that.

628
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

629
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Speaker 2: Something that I think is really cool as well is

630
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: like I love the sitcom aspect. To spend something that

631
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: we love so much gives you a lot of space

632
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: to have a lot of fun with, like who you

633
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: can introduce. But I feel like episode eight and then

634
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: this episode it went from being like the chill Marvel

635
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: show that everyone was like, oh, you can just like

636
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: watch this and enjoy it to being that like appointment

637
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: kind of TV. So how did it feel to you

638
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: to be to know that you were going to be

639
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: the one who was going to introduce dead Levil and

640
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: then set up this kind of outrageous final episodes.

641
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Speaker 4: H well, I did I didn't know that because I

642
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 4: didn't I didn't just pick that the reaction. I was like, oh,

643
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 4: like middle is easy, Like that's that's like no stress,

644
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 4: But like I gotta lead into like the.

645
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: Finality that I gotta, I gotta, I gotta.

646
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 4: Come out of zeb Wells into mind into Jessica Jessica

647
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 4: galat episode Like this is a lot of stress.

648
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: But like.

649
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 4: One of the things that I really enjoyed about it

650
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 4: is that like those episodes are so accelerated, like you

651
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 4: can very much see like the Rick and Morty of it,

652
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 4: Like if you watch Rick and Morty, like those episodes,

653
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 4: so much happens in twenty two minutes and those episodes,

654
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 4: and like that's definitely the feeling I got for these two,

655
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 4: particularly like the last one, like the finale, I'm like, wow,

656
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 4: like yeah, you got, we got we got it. We

657
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 4: got a Blonski case, we got we got a retreat,

658
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 4: we have she Hook, we have we have Scar, we

659
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 4: have we have like an Ai. There's so much happens

660
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 4: in twenty two minutes, but it like it seems earned

661
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 4: in a way that also doesn't seem like too fast,

662
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 4: like it's fast paced, but in a way that that

663
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 4: makes sense structurally completely.

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Speaker 2: I'll say, you mentioned the name, so let's talk about it. Scar.

665
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: What an incredible two seconds, like the drop of like, hey,

666
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: we didn't forget about this tie, this loose end off.

667
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: I had like so many Instagram dms this morning about it.

668
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: So I just need to say we were right. So

669
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: we right about that.

670
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 5: Yes, we were right, and we were right about Todd.

671
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: So I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you guys called it.

672
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: Yeah you need to ring the bell.

673
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, could you talk a little bit about Obviously,

674
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: again this is something that comes in at the end,

675
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: but how did it feel for you when you found

676
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: out this Scar was going to be in it, that

677
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: you were gonna that this was gonna be something the

678
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: show is going to kind of have a longer legacy

679
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: of aside from just Jen.

680
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 4: I mean, like I cut exactly four back flips because

681
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 4: World War Hulk. I think, I think I've told Jason this,

682
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 4: but like World War Hulk is what got me into

683
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 4: like Superhero comics proper. So like I was a huge

684
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 4: fan of like that. I read the Scar like run

685
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 4: that like the mini series that they had, Like I

686
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 4: went back and watched like the Wold Breaker Hulk or

687
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 4: read the World Wrecker Hole stuff and watched the World

688
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 4: Breaker Hulk animated movie that came out, So like I

689
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 4: was super stoked. I was like, Scar is gonna be

690
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 4: I remember just I remember like reading the script being

691
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 4: like wait Scar, Scar, Like I was like flipping back,

692
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 4: like wait the Scar, and like in the in the

693
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 4: in the the writer's room, the fake writers room, like

694
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 4: that was for me. That was like a lot of

695
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 4: us for the first time seeing like the finalized art

696
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 4: for stuff, so like I hadn't we had never we

697
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 4: hadn't seen gin or she hulking like her gala stuff,

698
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 4: like we hadn't seen Porcupine, Like I hadn't seen the

699
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 4: final design for like Daredevil, and like I think Scar

700
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 4: was in there, like oh shit, that Scar, like that

701
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 4: it's a real thing, Like he's there, Like Hope was

702
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 4: getting busy on the car and you got a little

703
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 4: kid going.

704
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Speaker 1: You mentioned New York City Comic Con. That was that's

705
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: my first con. That's having gone to San Diego now

706
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: this past summer. It's I have described it to Rosie

707
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: and you, and I think it's accurate as San Diego

708
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: Comic Con in one eighth the space, Yes, that's what

709
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: it's famous for. But you know, I love it. What

710
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: was your what was your experience?

711
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 4: Like it was my first con ever, so like my

712
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 4: first like big con, like I went to like some

713
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 4: small ones in like North Carolina, but like this is

714
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 4: my first one as like an adult, and it was it.

715
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: Was a lot.

716
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 4: It was overwhelming, just overwhelming enough, Like it was like

717
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 4: I spent I sort of bounced back between artist ally

718
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 4: and then like the main floor, so like walking down

719
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 4: to artist Alley, and being like, oh ship, that's Peach Momoku,

720
00:32:55,280 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 4: Like oh yeah, that's that's that that's Ryan Oddly, Like

721
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 4: that's like just seeing like all the people like I

722
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 4: was a huge fan of like growing up, like and

723
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 4: like every time I see that Peach Momoko has done

724
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 4: like a variant cover for one of my things.

725
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 3: And like did she do it? Did she mean to

726
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: do it for me? Like is this get the wrong person?

727
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: You know?

728
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 4: And then like going on the floor and seeing like

729
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 4: all the cool cos players, Like I bought way too

730
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 4: many gun dams. I bought way too many toys, Like yeah.

731
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: It was, it was.

732
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 4: It was nasty business, but it was super cool. Like

733
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 4: you know, I got to meet like a bunch of

734
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 4: like commable people that like I've never met before, like

735
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Speaker 4: Stephanie Williams, Like she's a fantastic writer. She's writing the

736
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 4: Nubia Nubia series. It's it's she's great. Like there's a

737
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,719
Speaker 4: really great panel for like Marvel Voices where I met

738
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 4: a bunch of other other fantastic like black and people

739
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 4: of color personal color writers and like I think there's

740
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 4: gonna be some really really cool shit coming out and

741
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 4: like just seeing like the passion that everyone had for

742
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 4: like what they were into, whether it was like Naruto

743
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 4: or Dragon Ball Z or like you know, uh Invincible.

744
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 4: Like just seeing what people's passion and wearing on the

745
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 4: sleeve was so cool and uh it's it's so it's

746
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 4: so great that there's a place where like that exists now,

747
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 4: and it's like in the like cultural like currency, like

748
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 4: people like go there. Like I saw like there's this

749
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 4: like old lady and like like like she was like

750
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 4: only she's like a mom with like her kid, and

751
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 4: like there's she was like in like a job and stuff,

752
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 4: like her mom was taking pictures with her like next

753
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 4: to Thor and.

754
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 3: Like and and and and.

755
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 4: Black panthers and stuff, and like they're all having such fun.

756
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm glad that it's not just like reduced

757
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 4: to like straight white guys anymore.

758
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 3: Like like that it's.

759
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 4: Crossed the boundary into like, yeah, being things that everyone

760
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 4: can be into.

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00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 3: It was really really cool seeing that.

762
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And something that really blew my mind when I

763
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: was there is like the show floor was busy, right,

764
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: it's new comic con that we always say the same

765
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: amount of people from San Diego Tinier space, but artist

766
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 2: Ali was actually the busiest place the entire weekend. Like

767
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: it was like bumping, you had to fight your way through.

768
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: So I love to see that that people like you

769
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: and Ewing and Stephanie Williams, they were cues. When I

770
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: went to see steph and say hi, you know she

771
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: had a mad big line. It was very fun to

772
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 2: see like that shift and who has the lines? Who

773
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily have the line. It's a lot of these

774
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: brilliant people of color, brilliant cartoonists and writers who are

775
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 2: changed in the game with these characters people love so much.

776
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: That was that was really powerful for me to see that.

777
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 3: I was really yeah, it was.

778
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 4: It was great seeing like these people get the get

779
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 4: those love and like anytime it's like a black cosplayer,

780
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 4: I was like, ah, this is great. Or like the

781
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 4: kid uh I think his name was kah Lead. He

782
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 4: would always hit He was there every single day, but

783
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 4: he always had a new Miles costume. So like one

784
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 4: time he was like Miles Wolverine, one time he was

785
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 4: like Miles Thore. One time he was like Carnage Miles.

786
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I love this kid is like

787
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 4: he brought He's brought his fits for each day. It's

788
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 4: each each day is a different if different cosplay fit

789
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 4: like I loved.

790
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 3: I love seeing that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Finally, Matt and Jen, it feels like it needs to

792
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: keep going. I'm hoping that it keeps going on. I'm

793
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: hoping that is our you know, we're kind of like

794
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: low on power couples right now, I think in the

795
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: MCU Yeah, yeah, and uh, this feels like the one

796
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: for phase five and beyond. I would never ask you

797
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: to reveal anything, but what are your hopes for Matt

798
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 1: and Jen?

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00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 4: I know nothing about it, but like I love them

800
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 4: as a couple, like they have such good chemistry, and

801
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,479
Speaker 4: like something about watching Matt and like his little button

802
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 4: down at the dinner getting hassled by bys, like such

803
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 4: an endearing thing, and like I could honestly watch it

804
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 4: if Phase six was just feature after feature of them

805
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 4: having a rom com, like I could watch that endlessly.

806
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 3: Like so.

807
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 4: Yes, it would be cool to see like a special,

808
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 4: like just like a day in the life special of them,

809
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 4: Like you know, if we're at the point where we

810
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 4: can have like man thing and and and were by night,

811
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 4: like really really interesting, well made fun like sixty minute

812
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 4: specials like I love to see like a little like,

813
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 4: you know, five hundred Days of Summer with with well,

814
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 4: I guess more positive than that, but like a nice

815
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 4: rom com moment with with Jen and Matt just in

816
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 4: in one of those cities the day.

817
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: It's really exciting to imagine that the shows could be

818
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: the thing that did that, because I remember for a

819
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 2: long time when I worked in the comic book shop,

820
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: we would always say like, why isn't there just like

821
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: one one shot where it's like Bucky and Steve and

822
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: they're just like baking cupcakes together. Yeah, and it's like

823
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: a beautiful.

824
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 5: Fan art artist.

825
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: Then you kind of get this slice of life moment,

826
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: even though we get a love of rad backups and

827
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: cool stuff in the comics that's never really translated. But

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00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: I love your idea that these kind of special presentations

829
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: could be the space where you get the slice of

830
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: life moments the rom com the kind of fan team

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00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: ups that you wouldn't usually get to see in the MCU.

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00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,479
Speaker 4: Exactly because I really enjoyed like the early days of Marvel,

833
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 4: when they would do like they would do one shot,

834
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 4: they would do like actual short films. I was like,

835
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 4: first of all, no major studio is doing consecutive short

836
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 4: films like not the thing that actually happens, but like

837
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 4: doing those was so fun because you could have like, oh,

838
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 4: here's a ten minute thing where like it's just two

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00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 4: people talking about an incident that happened in the Mohave

840
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 4: Desert that may be connected to door who knows, or

841
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 4: it's like yeah, oh yeah, we found a weird alien

842
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 4: and do that. Let's just follow that like ten minutes.

843
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 4: Like I really hope that they bring that stuffack because

844
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 4: it's really fun and it's interesting.

845
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Speaker 1: Well, when an incredible run, a wonderful season, thank you

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00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: for joining us to talk about it. I will you

847
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: stick around and talk were Wolf by Night with us?

848
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: I would love nothing more. I love that shit.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it, folks. It's spooky season, which means it's

850
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: time to strike up those flaming tubas to discuss. Marvel

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00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: Studio special presentation were Wolf by Night directed by a

852
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: longtime composer Michael Giacchino. Teleplay by Heather Quinn and Peter Cameron.

853
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: Story by Heather Quinn, Beautiful black and white cinematography by

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00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: Zoe White. First initial gut reactions Rosie unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: I just I didn't really know where I was gonna

856
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 2: land on this one, because I love horror. I actually

857
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: loved the Werewolf by Night comics. I've written quite extensively

858
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: about them. Like I saw a man Thing in the trailer,

859
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: and he's one of my all time favorite characters.

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00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 1: I knew, and you know, right away, right away, right

861
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: away it was like heaven one, and I'm like.

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00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: How do you how do you how do you do

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00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: man Thing on screen? Like yeah, there was like a

864
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: man Thing horror movie or whatever, but like, how do

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00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: you do man Thing when swamp Thing is like this

866
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: most iconic, like romantic Frankenstein esque character and it turns

867
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: out that you make him like a cute bff to

868
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 2: Jack Russell and it's just perfect like it it blew

869
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: my mind. I thought it was beautifully made. I thought

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00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 2: it was aesthetically just spectacular, and Giachino just killed it

871
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 2: on double duty because he also did the score while

872
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: he's directing it, and it was just I loved it.

873
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: Like if they could do a million more things like this,

874
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: and I do. I do have to wonder whether you know,

875
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 2: we were talking about this in the group chat, but like,

876
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: how how quickly does Michael get bought on as the

877
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: director of Blade after this, I think it's it's pretty likely.

878
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: Uh thoughts uh the same thing.

879
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 4: My first thought was like, this is like fun, which

880
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 4: you know, I think is something that we can say

881
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 4: decreasingly more about a lot of like superhero stuff, but

882
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 4: like it was super fun. I was not that familiar

883
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 4: with the Werewolf by Night at all, Like I had

884
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 4: never heard of the character. Like I knew man Man

885
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 4: thing obviously, and like I knew the wind to go,

886
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 4: but like I didn't know much about the characters. Like

887
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 4: I came in watched the trailers like, oh shit, we're

888
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 4: doing this, like we're doing like, uh, like a universal

889
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 4: monster thing, Like yeah, I'm all for that. I love

890
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 4: that they're taking this big swing because it's not something

891
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 4: that you can necessarily do if it was going to

892
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 4: be like a tent pole, like a two hundred million

893
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 4: dollar tenpole that has to hit all four quadrants. Like

894
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 4: I like that they they were leaning into that. It

895
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 4: was fun. It was like surprisingly like scary and like gory,

896
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 4: which is something that you don't see a lot in

897
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 4: marble stuff. And uh, I truly hope that they do

898
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 4: more of these like specials because it was super fun,

899
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 4: super interesting, and like you really get some time to

900
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 4: shine for people who I think necessarily would not be

901
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 4: directing big budgets or big tempole stuff like the director

902
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 4: for this.

903
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: M Okay, let's let's jump into the recap. First of all,

904
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: the thing that strikes you right away is we get

905
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 1: the more inflected, the horror inflected brand MCU brand intro,

906
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: which I thought was very very appropriate and is kind

907
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: of like the latest evolution of this delving into genre

908
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: that begun really with like Winter Soldier and stuff. This

909
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: was super cool and let you know right away, this

910
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: is going to be a different take on the MCU.

911
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: I love how they're almost using it like you know,

912
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: the Disney Castle and like you'll watch like a Pixar

913
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 2: movie and they'll have like Woody and he's like dancing

914
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: on it. That is what they're using the MCU intro

915
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: for now with the Marvel Studios. Because with thor Lov

916
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 2: and Thunder you had like the crazy guitar rock like opening,

917
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: So I like that they're using it as a tone sap.

918
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: But this time it really hits because it's very different

919
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: from what.

920
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: We very very different. We get a quick update on

921
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: the various Marvel monsters that have been existing in the

922
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: shadowy background of the MCU apparently for many, many years,

923
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: if not centuries. We learned that the Bloodstone family is

924
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: this powerful monster hunting clan and they have wielded this

925
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: ancient magical Bloodstone, a powerful relic that gives longevity among

926
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: many other boons to its owner, and that it needs

927
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 1: a new owner because patriarch Ulysses Bloodstone has passed rip

928
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: and so hunters from around the globe have gathered to

929
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: compete for it, and one of them is Jack Russell,

930
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: who is here undercover because secretly he's a monster, and

931
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: he's actually here to free the subject of the hunt,

932
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: the monster to be hunted tonight, his friend Ted aka

933
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: the Man Thing. Rosie, tell us a little bit about

934
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: your friend.

935
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: To talk about talking.

936
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: About your friend the Man Thing.

937
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So Man Thing is like this really great weird

938
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: horror character created by Stanley Roy Thomas, Jerry Conway, and

939
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: Gray Morrow. Ray Thomas and Jerry Conway also on wellalf

940
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 2: by Night. Jack Russell creation duties I debuted in Savage

941
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 2: Tales number one in nineteen seventy one, and he's kind

942
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: of like a generic natural monster Creature, like obviously a

943
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: lot of crossover there with swamp Thing brilliantly. This is

944
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: actually the reason, even though I love ghoulish stuff and

945
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: I love like spooky stuff and monsters and romantic monsters,

946
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: I will say I mostly new man Thing because my

947
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: local comic shop, or bit All Comics, where I also

948
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: went on to work rip brilliant shop in London, it

949
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: used to have this huge sticker on the back counter

950
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: that said Marvel's giant sized man Thing, and that is

951
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: really what they called him, and I became obsessed and

952
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: I needed to know all about him, and I was

953
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: just generally like a big fan. He is called Ted here.

954
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: That is his like alter ego, doctor Theodore Ted Sallie.

955
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: And this is just like a very cool, weird occult version.

956
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: But we've never really seen the version like this where

957
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: he's kind of like this. He's almost like a cute

958
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: puppy dog who's like friends. He's almost like a Chewbacer,

959
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 2: I'd say, actually more like to you know, Jack Russell

960
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: can understand him. And the most interesting thing here kind

961
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 2: of where we're at in the MCU with the introduction

962
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: of man Thing here is like in the comics he

963
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 2: is the guardian of like the nexus of all realities,

964
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 2: and sometimes he is the nexus of all realities. So

965
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 2: that feels col of like baby, yeah, like it could

966
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: be could be relevant. We've seen the Nexus in What If,

967
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: and so I would be interested to see if man

968
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: thing's gonna gonna stick around. But what I really love

969
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 2: about this representation that leans so much into the comic

970
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: books is this the jeweling idea of like what is

971
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: a monster? What is not a monster? Who deserves to

972
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 2: be hunted? Who is a danger? Is it the hunter?

973
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: Is it the hunted? While it's never been this is

974
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 2: a very textual kind of version of that rather than

975
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: the kind of morally gray stories we get in comics.

976
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 2: So I love to see it. And it was just

977
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 2: so cool to see it looks unreal, like it talks

978
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: about budget and two hundred million dollar tempole, but like

979
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: how did they make him look so good?

980
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 3: Yeah? It looked great, I think.

981
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 4: Also the use of practical effects definitely, yes, like the

982
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 4: animatronic of the Bloodstone corpse, like it's.

983
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: Like you know, and it was puppeteering, which is just

984
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: I love to see them bring puppeteering into the MCU

985
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 2: and kind of mix it with that the animatronics. That

986
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: was such a great moment. I loved that moment.

987
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that.

988
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I loved like they're cutting to like the

989
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,240
Speaker 4: all the various monitors, like you were saying on the wall,

990
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 4: like so like, I don't know why I popped so

991
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 4: hard for wind Togo was like they got a wind

992
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 4: to go?

993
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 3: Is he gonna fight?

994
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

995
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't believe they got Lindago. There's a lot

996
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: of soda, the Sasquatch there, there's like the there's like

997
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: Crog who is a very very niche like Marvel Monster. Uh,

998
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: Nosferatu is there.

999
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they have like Bye Beast's head was

1000
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: on the wall. It's just that really really like coming

1001
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: into some fun stuff. They know what we're looking for.

1002
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: When they know what we're looking for, what we're doing.

1003
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: Also also an attendant to Night is also Bloodstone, the

1004
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: long Extremes, long estranged from her Bloodstone family, the super

1005
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: Weird family. We don't know quite what caused the schism,

1006
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: but we have a feeling it might be the fact

1007
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: that her family is like bloodthirsty monster hunters and she

1008
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: made quite job with it. We meet Jovin, who is

1009
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: a grizzled hunter with over fifty kills to his name.

1010
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: He's very, very proud to be part of the hunter

1011
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: lifestyle and to compete for the for the Bloodstone. He asked, Jackie,

1012
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: you know any of these guys you kill? Any you

1013
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: kill the one to go, is that you? And he's like, no,

1014
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: but I know I think it was krog Or or

1015
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: maybe Nospherito. He's like, oh no, but we fought a

1016
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: few times. I know that one Elsa talks to a Varusa,

1017
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: who is now the kind of matriarch of the Bloodstone

1018
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: family in the wake of Ulysseses passing, and they it's

1019
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: wonderful Easter egg. They meet to talk in front of

1020
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: like a by you tapestry style. Tapestry by Tapestry is

1021
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: an ancient tapestry found in France that depicts the the

1022
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: the invasion of William the Conqueror, like in a historic fashion.

1023
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: And according to that style, you see in the background

1024
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: Gor the god butcher getting got by I don't know,

1025
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: various Norse gods or Norse warriors apparently, which is a

1026
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: wonderfully StrEG and and you see that Vusa and Elsa,

1027
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 1: they just don't get all they don't get along. Ulysses

1028
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: pops out of the coffin. As you mentioned, we get

1029
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: a very haunted mansion, meets pirates of the Caribbean kind

1030
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: of like vibe from him and they and the hunt begins, uh,

1031
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: and we learn that it's is Ted the man thing

1032
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: that will be hunted tonight. And I think one of

1033
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: my one of the things I think is so smart

1034
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: and then I absolutely loved about this approach to the

1035
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: World by Night is this idea that monsters, there's a

1036
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: secret society of monster hunters but also monsters, and that

1037
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: it's very clear from from the way that Ted and

1038
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: Jack relate and the way that you know Jack is

1039
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: here to rescue Ted, that they've been hanging out for

1040
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: a while. This is not like, oh yeah, this is

1041
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: this is a long time friendship slash relationship of two

1042
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: monsters on the run. And it's this delving into a

1043
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: secret society, you know, like as as was kind of

1044
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 1: revealed by Wakanda, is going to continued to be revealed

1045
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: with c with the on screen debut of manymar and

1046
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: thatslving into these secret pockets, these hidden pockets of emsy reality.

1047
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: And I love that this idea that that man thing

1048
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: and and where off My Night have been just bros

1049
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 1: like on the run together for a while.

1050
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And that's gonna you know, we've talked about

1051
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: a lot, but those secrets societies. We know that's gonna

1052
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: lead now we have Avenger Secret Wars movie. It's happening.

1053
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, I love I love that part too. I

1054
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: also loved, like, I love that they're not just monsters

1055
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 2: who are on the run. They're also like you have

1056
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 2: the monster hunters who here are represented as pre evil

1057
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 2: and brutal, but then it's like Jack and Ted are

1058
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: almost like monster hunter hunters. Yeah, just going around. And

1059
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: I think that introduces are really interesting. Not only is

1060
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 2: it really innovative and different and fun, but it introduces

1061
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 2: an interesting conflict when we're about to get into a

1062
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: space where Blade is going to be introduced to is

1063
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: a monster hunter, but he's all so himself a monster,

1064
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: you know, as a day walker. So I think there's

1065
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: some really interesting seeds that are being sown here.

1066
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1067
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 4: I really enjoy these these types of like entries into

1068
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 4: the Marvel the Marvel universe because for the longest time,

1069
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 4: like for the like most of the movies. It's like

1070
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 4: superhero stuff. It's like it's like, oh, these are like

1071
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 4: space guys like and we'll we'll sprinkle a little bit

1072
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 4: of mystic stuff and like these are like super spies

1073
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 4: and like, oh we got some like monsters exist now,

1074
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 4: like what like from space? Like no, there's no vampires

1075
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 4: are just here, dude, Like they're they've been around from

1076
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 4: the jump. You guys have been too busy fighting thanos.

1077
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 4: But like we've we've believed. What I've liked about Marvel

1078
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 4: strategies that they bought enough goodwill with like all right,

1079
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 4: you guys can understand, like there's a talking raccoons. There's

1080
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 4: trees out there, yes, uh yeah, now you know what

1081
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 4: if you can buy that.

1082
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 3: You can buy that.

1083
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 4: There are like swamp demons that that can like connect

1084
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 4: between the multiverse and like you can buy that. There

1085
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 4: are uh, there are vampires and like there's one that

1086
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 4: like what's that hunts them for for for because they

1087
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 4: has a wicked past or whatever and like they're oh

1088
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 4: where will exist to and wind Windy goes like I

1089
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 4: like they've they've bought enough cart and they've got enough

1090
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 4: good will, like start peppering in this like fun weirder

1091
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 4: side of marble, like specifically that the seventies exploitation mark, Like,

1092
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 4: I'm really excited for that.

1093
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 3: To like start popping on.

1094
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: The hunt begins. We learn in a conversation right before

1095
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: this that Elsa had fumbled the bag by leaving the

1096
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: family for so long. The hunt is set up kind

1097
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: of like Fortnite. You go into the arena and the

1098
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: weapons are. You drop into the arena and the weapons

1099
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: are just like all around the maze.

1100
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 2: You gotta build a little shack to hide.

1101
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: Jack and Elsa run into each other and they're about

1102
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: to be like, okay, listen, I'll go my way, you

1103
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: go your way, but then Joven, who's picked up an

1104
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: act somewhere attacks It is the violence in this was

1105
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: shockingly and satisfyingly correctly violent.

1106
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: And they kill each other, like it's not just the

1107
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 2: hunt of the hunts, like you can you can kill

1108
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 2: the the hunters you.

1109
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: Elsa cuts off one of the hunters, Simon's arm, and

1110
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: then shoots him with his wrist crossbow. That is still

1111
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: attack to the severed arm. Respect folks, We're doing it.

1112
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: Ted then reunites with Jack. We discovered that the stone

1113
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,959
Speaker 1: is embedded in man things back and it's weakening him.

1114
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: And this is how you know. The winner will kill

1115
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: Ted and take the stone from his body. Jack then

1116
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: they get this wonderful like moment between them gets broken up.

1117
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: Elsa and and Jack talk about how they're going to

1118
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: break out of this maze, and they decide they're going

1119
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: to cooperate. Elsa's like, wait a second, you know the monster.

1120
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I know him, and he's like if,

1121
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: by the way, if you run into him, his name

1122
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: is Ted, and just say hey, Ted, what's up? And

1123
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: it will be fine. And this actually works, much to

1124
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 1: Elsa's surprise.

1125
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 3: It works.

1126
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: Elsa and Jack end up hiding in a tomb which

1127
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: is apparently contains, among many other bones, the bones of

1128
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: her crazy aunt, and Elsa, putting like context clues that

1129
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: her dad had given her long ago, realizes that the

1130
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: keys to the tomb are going to be in her

1131
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: crazy ants crypt and they get out. One thing leads

1132
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: to another, and Jack gets captured along with Elsa and

1133
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: the Bloodstone hunters realized that Jack is a monster because

1134
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: when he touched the Bloodstone, it reacted very strongly and

1135
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: now here it comes folks, the transformation. Jack is actually scary.

1136
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: He realizes that, like, oh shit, wait a second, I

1137
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: thought that the full moon was five days from now.

1138
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: It's they can transfer me now. Oh no. And you

1139
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: know he just got he's smelling Elsa, hopefully to like

1140
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: embed the scent inside of his mind when he turns

1141
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: so he won't kill her. She's like, has this ever worked?

1142
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: He's like, I worked one time. He had just gotten

1143
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: done telling her how he has systems that will hopefully

1144
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: keep like bad stuff from happen, but clearly like those

1145
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: are all out the window now. And then the transformation

1146
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: happens and we get a fucking great fight scene. First

1147
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: of all, Jack going full fearl on these various Bloodstone

1148
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: guards and then also who is a nifty fighter in

1149
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: her own right taking out various guards and people. It

1150
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: is wonderfully violent, It is scary. It is really good,

1151
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: and I love the werewolf design.

1152
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 3: You could say that they both had got that dog

1153
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 3: in them if you want to.

1154
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, like if you did the X ray, it would

1155
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: just be like a kennel worth of dog, both of them. Yeah.

1156
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: Like I love the transformation. They did such a smart job.

1157
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 2: We're talking about you know what you can show what

1158
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 2: you can't show how to make it affordable. It's like

1159
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 2: we see Elsa's response to these shadowy, nightmarish transformations in

1160
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 2: this black and white that's so evocative of universal monsters.

1161
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: And then when we finally see the were wolf, it's

1162
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 2: like a sick practical suit or partially you know, and

1163
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: it looks so old school. It's very American wealth in London.

1164
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: It's very you know, the wolf man. It is just

1165
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 2: it's so cool, and then you get that fight turns out,

1166
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 2: you know, were Wolf by Night. He's not just like

1167
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: a cool werewolf who can kill you. He's like a

1168
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 2: sick fire. He's like kicking the room. It's like very

1169
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: seventies exploitation, Like what if you were a werewolf who

1170
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: could also do kung fu? Then you're were Wolf by Night?

1171
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: Like someone across the room.

1172
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I I I like that particular transformation. Coach, Like

1173
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 4: you don't see anything, like you just see her reaction.

1174
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 4: You see the shadow. So when you turn back around,

1175
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 4: you see, oh it's a guy in a suit. Like

1176
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 4: it circles back around from goofy to like, oh, this

1177
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 4: is actually sort of scary because they're doing this thing

1178
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 4: like his eyes reflect when like light hits them, and

1179
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 4: like there's a really cool sec where he's like he's

1180
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 4: doing like his like batman thing, like hanging in the

1181
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,479
Speaker 4: corner above above the room, and like all the guards

1182
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 4: are looking for him, and then like he gets down,

1183
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 4: just gets busy and like oh this is this is

1184
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 4: I didn't knowed this, Like I did not know that

1185
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 4: I needed a Wolf by Night series, And now I'm

1186
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 4: like I'm fully aboard, Like I want to find all

1187
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 4: the comics.

1188
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, sign me up.

1189
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: The fight is come to a close, all the guards

1190
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: torn to shreds. The Hunters are done. We just watched

1191
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: Elsa cleave one of the hunter's skulls in half, and

1192
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: again really satisfyingly and appropriately for the for the genre

1193
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: of violen scene, Elsa approaches worlf by Night. He springs

1194
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 1: at her, but apparently the scent mnemonic trip trick worked

1195
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: somehow because he doesn't he doesn't kill her. He runs

1196
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: off into the night. But then Verusa is back and

1197
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: she's super mad that Elsa, on top of everything else

1198
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: that has happened tonight, has now let the monster escape.

1199
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 1: We're supposed to kill the monsters. Alsa. That's the that's

1200
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: the family legacy, what are you doing? And so she's

1201
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: about to take out Alsa, but then our good friend

1202
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: head the man thing drops from the ceiling, turns Elsa

1203
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: like into a pile of like ash, and then is like, okay,

1204
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: where did Jack go? And Elsa points him the way

1205
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: that Jack went. He picks up a little robe because

1206
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 1: he knows that Jack is gonna is gonna be nude

1207
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: when he comes back to himself. And then in the

1208
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: little we get, everything goes color as we get a

1209
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: wonderful John wu patented somewhere over the rainbow drop. As

1210
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: Elsa sits, now, she she is now the matriarch of

1211
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: the Bloodstone family and legacy he has the butler tells

1212
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: her because he immediately is like, I guess you're the

1213
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: boss now. I wanted to give you my resume because

1214
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: everybody's dead now and hopefully I can remain employed. And

1215
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: then we go to somewhere in the swamps where Ted

1216
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: and Jack are drinking French press coffee, which they got

1217
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: from who knows where that came. He's like, got it

1218
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: inside of his guts, it out.

1219
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, he reached into like to coffee reality and pulls

1220
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 4: out a nice French Yeah.

1221
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 2: It just goes to Paris just like this notches the

1222
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 2: off a cafe table.

1223
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: And here again we get this. We get it's like

1224
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: you we watch them joke together. We don't exactly know

1225
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: what they're joking about, but again the implication is clear.

1226
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: These two have been together for a long time, and

1227
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: we hope we see them again. Were off by night.

1228
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: What a wonderful introduction to Marvel Marvel scary stuff. Marvel

1229
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: horror feels like a great first step into this kind

1230
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: of like horror inflected world.

1231
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 4: If there's like the little tiny Domino meme, like this

1232
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 4: is like it's like, you know, them drinking coffee in

1233
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 4: the swamp saying like the last one is like brother

1234
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 4: Voodoo fighting fucking the Sorcerer Supreme like that.

1235
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 3: I hope that's what it is.

1236
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's definitely that kind of thing. It's like,

1237
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: you start with this, it's like them eating them, you

1238
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 2: know them that drinking some coffee, and then it's like,

1239
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 2: all right, Deadpool movie is like somewhere in the middle

1240
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: of what happens because we get to see this violence,

1241
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: but they kind of say it with this humor and

1242
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 2: this funniness. And I also want to say, like Jason,

1243
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: you mentioned about how man Thing turns Verusa into Ash,

1244
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: Like I was always like, how did they bring his

1245
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 2: power to life? Because basically, like the tagline for man

1246
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 2: Thing is like whatever nose fear burns, And it's because

1247
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 2: if he holds you and you're scared, you literally turn

1248
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 2: to ash and get burnt. But it was so cool

1249
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: and they did it in a way that was both

1250
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: very leaning into the ber movie of it all, but

1251
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 2: also was like really scary, like you don't want him

1252
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 2: to touch you, like you really get that feeling. And like,

1253
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 2: also I just want to shout out like Gail who

1254
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 2: plays Jack Russell Gail Garcia butnew because like he has

1255
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 2: bring in his biggest science of sleep working with Michelle

1256
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: Gondry energy. Like he was not like, oh I'm a

1257
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 2: I'm in a Marvel movie.

1258
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: I got it. He was wonderful.

1259
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 5: Is a serious guy.

1260
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 2: He's just like some funny, nervy dude who happens to

1261
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 2: be friends with these monsters and like hates to be

1262
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 2: aware wolf and just like wants to drink some coffee

1263
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 2: with his bro It was such a fun different if

1264
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 2: you think about the journey we've been on from like

1265
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 2: the origins of the mc un phase one, which obviously

1266
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 2: like changed the whole world really in the whole of cinema,

1267
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: but where everything was like militarized, and like, yeah, you

1268
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 2: have to be so grounded to be able to get

1269
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 2: to this place where we have like were a wolf

1270
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 2: by night, drinking coffee in a row, like chilling in

1271
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 2: a forest.

1272
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 5: It's a very nice place to.

1273
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 2: Be, you know, it's a very good journey and all

1274
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 2: of that can exist together. But I absolutely love to

1275
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 2: see it.

1276
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could kind of asked for like a better

1277
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 4: like first special for Marvel be like, I'm so excited.

1278
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 4: I'm also the greedy part of me is like, does

1279
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 4: this mean we're eventually gonna get like a next wave

1280
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 4: thing going on? We're so close now, We're so close.

1281
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: Holy shit, that would be absolutely incredible. When I was

1282
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: I was, you know, on a pul list Marvel's Pulis

1283
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: Pod and talking about next Week because it is one

1284
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: of my favorite ever comics. But it really feels like

1285
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: we're in that zone now of like self referential but

1286
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: also stands on its own, like as a good, super

1287
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: creative thing. I'm it feels like we could go there.

1288
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: Now you mentioned Gale's performance Rosie. There's like the way

1289
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: he comes in, like clearly he's undercover, but he's also

1290
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: like not scared. There's like a delightful vibe of a

1291
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: kind of like comedy of errors to this relationship between

1292
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: Jack and Ted, where it's like, you know, they get

1293
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: into a lot of trouble and clearly like they would

1294
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: like to stop getting into trouble, but also like there's

1295
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: this kind of world weariness of like, oh, well, here

1296
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: we go again. I guess I'm gonna have to, you know,

1297
01:01:55,880 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: sneak into the Monster Hunter gala and pretend to be

1298
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: a monster hunter and they're gonna read off my stats

1299
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: and everybody's gonna be like, wait, you killed a hundred monsters,

1300
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: going yeah, I did, I really did, and and somehow

1301
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: this is all gonna work out even though none of

1302
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: the stuff. You get the sense that none of their

1303
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: schemes ever work out, Like clearly Jack has Jack's like

1304
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: get out here talking about like don't worry, I've got

1305
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 1: systems that I've put in place that will I have

1306
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: done one time that by the way, this has worked once.

1307
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: And you know, clearly Ted and I are not like

1308
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: these paragons of success. And I just like love that.

1309
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: I love this and this kind of framing of a

1310
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: comedy of errors. These monsters like scuffling on the margins

1311
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: of the MCU just trying to like get by, but

1312
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: also like fucking up all the time. Yeah, it's a

1313
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: wonderful way to merge this, like really bracing violence with

1314
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: an MCU tone, like an over all MCU kind of

1315
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: of context. It just really worked for me. Yeah.

1316
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 2: It actually had big like the old Eling comedy The

1317
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 2: Lady Killers, where it's this kind of like this, like

1318
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 2: you said, it's like this kind of funny like people

1319
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 2: are getting murdered, but there's just some haphazard people in there,

1320
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 2: just like how did I get here? Oh, oh I've

1321
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 2: got to kill someone, but also like try my best

1322
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 2: to kind of keep keep things chill. And I really

1323
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 2: it's very fun. And also who doesn't love like a

1324
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 2: buddy comedy, like very buddy.

1325
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I want to more them.

1326
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like I feel like Gilligan and the Skipper,

1327
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 4: Like I felt like he was gonna get tickets.

1328
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 3: Like it was.

1329
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 4: It was so fun and like wholes which I know

1330
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 4: it sounds weird saying wholesome, but there is a but

1331
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 4: it is wholesome.

1332
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 2: It is.

1333
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Even the Joven, like the Hunter character when he

1334
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: first like meets jack he was just entered the Hall

1335
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: of Hunters, you know, and he's like, I really like

1336
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: your face painting, and you know, Jackson, it's to honor

1337
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: my my ancestors. Like well, I don't know about the

1338
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: ancestors stuff. I just know it looks brilliant on you.

1339
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 2: Like.

1340
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: That was actually the moment where I was like, this

1341
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: is gonna be good, Like this is that was not

1342
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: the interaction I was expecting. But it's the perfect one,

1343
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: and this is going to be fine. This will work out.

1344
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of people saying, gosh, I wish

1345
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: you know what an intro intro to Blade? You know,

1346
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: if they would have been a reference to Blade here,

1347
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: that would have been really cool. I'm glad they I agree,

1348
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: it would have been awesome. I'm kind of glad they

1349
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: didn't do it. But I wonder if it's anybody. It's

1350
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: a lot more complex. I wonder does it for either

1351
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: of you? Any thoughts on what might go forward in

1352
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: terms of this kind of Marvel Monsters, Marvel Marvel Horror

1353
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: lane that has been opened.

1354
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 3: I think I think that the flood gets are open.

1355
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 4: We're like, we're not even going to start small, like

1356
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 4: we now we know that not only where wolves exist,

1357
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 4: but in vampires, but like yeah, swamp creatures and like

1358
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 4: like like windogos, like all that stuff can like exist. Now,

1359
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 4: I think, off the bat, like, I don't know what

1360
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 4: I guess Blade will be like their next like Marvel

1361
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 4: Monster Outing, but like, I wouldn't be surprised if like

1362
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 4: some of these like creatures popped up in like some

1363
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 4: of the other series or like some of the like

1364
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 4: like maybe like minor villains or something in like some

1365
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 4: of the movies, because like there's such a rich, deep

1366
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 4: like pool to pool from, like interesting characters and like

1367
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 4: fun characters and also just like silly ones that Like

1368
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 4: I think one thing that Marvel's really good at doing

1369
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 4: is building the world when they're catering to one specific

1370
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 4: like hype of Marvel, like Mystic Marvel or Space Marvel

1371
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 4: or Spye Marvel. So like I feel like these are

1372
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 4: like the first steps towards that. So I would not

1373
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 4: be surprised if we see more of them popping up

1374
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 4: and some stuff coming up down the line.

1375
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree, and I think that this is like,

1376
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 2: like you said, the floodgates are open. I think one

1377
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 2: of the biggest things that's going to carry over from

1378
01:05:56,280 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 2: this is that classic horror inspiration that is definitely what

1379
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 2: inspired the original Marvel horror stuff. Anyway, like Blade appeared

1380
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 2: in Toombs of Dracula, I wouldn't be surprised if we

1381
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 2: saw a Dracula. The motherfucker is out of license. He

1382
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 2: can be a exists, he exists. I wouldn't be surprised

1383
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 2: if we saw that. I think, while I understand how

1384
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 2: cool it would have been to even be like, you know,

1385
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 2: I'm surprised Eric Brooks didn't show up, or what about

1386
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 2: the legendary monster. I think it's really complex because I

1387
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 2: think what they set up here that is really cool.

1388
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 2: At first, I was like, how does this fit in

1389
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 2: because Blade's and monster hunt But then I was like, oh,

1390
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 2: but Blade is also a monster. So I wonder if

1391
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 2: their version of whatever kind of monster hunting team we

1392
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 2: get is actually going to be the monsters who want

1393
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 2: to kind of determine the difference between the evil in

1394
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 2: inverted commas monsters and the ones who are just trying

1395
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 2: to like live their life. You know, I could see

1396
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,919
Speaker 2: Blade and that kind of fits into what we saw

1397
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 2: at the end of my favorite MCU movie, at least,

1398
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 2: it's high on my list. The Eternals aka where he's

1399
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 2: Eternals because you know, who's about to turn into a monster.

1400
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 2: And he touches that sword Kit Harrington, So I'm like

1401
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 2: and blades there and he's like, don't do it, you know.

1402
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 2: So I'm interested to see, but I think we could.

1403
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 2: I totally agree with Zig. I think we're gonna see

1404
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 2: more of these characters, more of these creatures. There are

1405
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 2: so I mean, even aside from like the obvious straight

1406
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 2: Marvel horror comics, there's like Marvel monsters, you know, there's

1407
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 2: all different kinds of wild creatures who are a lot

1408
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 2: of times because of the publishing in like the sixties especially,

1409
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 2: they were crossing over into like Fantastic four. They were

1410
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 2: you know, there is a space for these kind of

1411
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 2: wild monsters to exist. And yeah, I just I'm so

1412
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 2: excited and obviously, like I'm really this is like my

1413
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 2: favorite kind of relationship where it's like just two guys

1414
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 2: trying to chill out. It's like it's just like trying

1415
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 2: to drink a coffee too bro So I would. I

1416
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 2: would be very excited to specifically see those two characters

1417
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 2: continue on in this world and get more for us

1418
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 2: to get more time with them.

1419
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll say one last thing before where you jump in, Jason.

1420
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 4: But like, now that we know that we can do

1421
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 4: these like genre period pieces type type type of movies

1422
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 4: or specials like now, like, are they gonna be like

1423
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 4: a can they do like a black exploctation thing? Can

1424
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 4: they do like a.

1425
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 3: Exactly right like iron fist fucking Blade team up? Can

1426
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 3: they do like? Yeah?

1427
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 4: I think that now that this this is open, Like,

1428
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 4: I'm excited to see your face hurt leaning into like ya.

1429
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 2: It makes a lot of sense because the original Blade

1430
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,679
Speaker 2: comics were Black exploctation influenced. You know, his original origin

1431
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 2: is like he's born to a sex worker in a

1432
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 2: brothel in Soho. I'm raised by a fucking jazz musician, Jamalafari. Like,

1433
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 2: I want to see that hour long special where it's

1434
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 2: Blades in the seventies. He's got his big glasses. You know,

1435
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 2: are we gonna get it? I don't know, but I

1436
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:53,799
Speaker 2: like that the special presentation banner offers us some freedom

1437
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 2: in the kind of stories we can tell.

1438
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: I completely agree. This is my pitch for an opening

1439
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: of Blade. Hope understanding now what we've seen in Werewolf

1440
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,919
Speaker 1: by Night. One of my favorite tropes in Marvel comics

1441
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:14,440
Speaker 1: is the destruction of the Hellic Carriers. There is no, absolutely,

1442
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: there is no worse vehicle to be in at any

1443
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: given time than a Shield Helicarrier because they have been

1444
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: destroyed every single way that you can fucking imagine. And

1445
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: one of my favorites all time is the Shield Hellicarrier

1446
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: that was completely populated and hijacked by ex former Shield

1447
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: agents who had been turned into vampires. Of course, yeah,

1448
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 1: it was a complete helicarrier populated by vampires that just

1449
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: flew around, staying in the night side of the world,

1450
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 1: and then Blade found it and took them all out.

1451
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: So here's my pitch. After the fall of Shield, the

1452
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: only Hellic Carrier that is still around and still operating

1453
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: secretly somewhere, it's all vampires, folks, all vampires, and and

1454
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: that is the opening of our Blade movie. I hope

1455
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 1: we get it, you know, as we turned into this

1456
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: these secret worlds of Marvels, monsters and more. I hope

1457
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: I hope that we I hope that's one of the

1458
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: things we see. That's all. That's just a good small

1459
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: hope for me.

1460
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 2: It's like the Blade Blood Rave, but instead of him

1461
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 2: dropping into the rave, he just drops in through the

1462
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 2: roof of the Hella carrier. Just somebody puts some rave

1463
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 2: music on for all of us out there.

1464
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 1: No, it looks like the guy who is steering the

1465
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: Vampire ship is the Vampire Shield former Shield member from

1466
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: Marvel's The Avengers, who who Nick says, you can see

1467
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: the sun, can't you like put it on the left now?

1468
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: But it's but instead he's like, you could see the moon.

1469
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: Can't you put the moon on the left.

1470
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,600
Speaker 2: Okay, then if we're talking about Marvel vampires, I have

1471
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 2: to know.

1472
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: I have to there.

1473
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 2: How likely do you think it's gonna be? This is

1474
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 2: one of my resounding conspiracy theories. Yeah, how likely do

1475
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 2: you think it's gonna be? The vampires are gonna be

1476
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 2: the way that the X Men are introduced because of

1477
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 2: Vampire Jubilee, Everyone's most in but most long running storyline.

1478
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 2: I'm very interested to see how much they play with

1479
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 2: that and whether we could protect I want Jubilee to

1480
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 2: be introduced as like a more rat, you know, with

1481
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 2: the Sentinels.

1482
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 5: But I feel like with the.

1483
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:28,839
Speaker 2: Vampires arrive in we could see vampire Jubilee vampire Julie.

1484
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: If that feels like second wave, I feel like we'll

1485
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: meet Jubilee first and then God. But now I don't

1486
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know.

1487
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 2: Maybe she's a vampire for a little bit and then

1488
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 2: gets cud.

1489
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1490
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: Well, Zig, congratulations on everything you're doing. Congratulations success. Please

1491
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 1: come back and visit us anytime. I wish, Uh, Marvel,

1492
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: please make more Werewolf by Night stuff. Yes, and up next,

1493
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: Rosie and I will be leaving Bloodstone Manner to to

1494
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: go to kings Landing and talk about House to the

1495
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: Dragon episode eight. We're stepping out of the airlock and

1496
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 1: into kings Landing. Folks, beautiful this time of year, although

1497
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 1: a little chili reception. We're going to discuss House of

1498
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: the Dragon episode eight, The Lord of the Tides, written

1499
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 1: by Aileen Shim and directed by Geita Patel. Rosie, let's

1500
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 1: get into it. This is it's really the show has

1501
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: really gone into another gear after I'd say episode six

1502
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: or so, and this is this episode really got me.

1503
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 2: This is heartbreaking. Every time I watch it, I'm like,

1504
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 2: this is my favorite episode. This isn't season best, but

1505
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 2: this is like, this is the episode where this is

1506
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 2: Game of Thrones at its best level, episode where if

1507
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 2: you're invested in these characters, this is just going to

1508
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,560
Speaker 2: absolutely decimate you. It's it's so good.

1509
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 1: And you know on the page, King Visers is just

1510
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,919
Speaker 1: a very weak seeming character. Now, those histories, the fictional

1511
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: histories were written by kind of like green leaning biased historians,

1512
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 1: but man, the way Patty Considine brings him to life.

1513
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 1: George R. Martin praised him on He's Not a Blog

1514
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: Blog very very strongly, saying that this tea should win

1515
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 1: an Emmy and that his Visarius is better than the

1516
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: Visarius that he wrote. And I can't think of of

1517
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: higher praise. What an incredible episode.

1518
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 2: For unbelievable I think George was saying he was going

1519
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 2: to rip up the histories that he'd written because he

1520
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 2: wanted to rewrite it to be more like you know,

1521
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 2: Patty's version. It's just we always we kept saying give

1522
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 2: him the Emmy, but he took the Emmy, and this

1523
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 2: he grasped the question.

1524
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 1: With his one good hand. Okay, we open on another

1525
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:05,799
Speaker 1: time jump and we discover Renice sitting on the Driftwood

1526
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: throne in drift Mark. She hasn't seen Corlis for six years.

1527
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: He's been out fighting on the stepstones. That old war

1528
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:16,719
Speaker 1: still going on. Bad news from drift Mark. Lord Corlis

1529
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: has been gravely injured in an ambush. He took a

1530
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: wound to the neck. He fell into the sea. They

1531
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: fished him out, dragged him on board. But now he's

1532
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 1: very very ill with a fever. He burns from within,

1533
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: the master says, and he's on his way home. Is

1534
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 1: his ship will arrive in three days, and hopefully he'll

1535
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 1: still be alive at that time. Surveymond Corlis's younger brother

1536
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: is already acting as if Corlis is dead.

1537
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 2: He's ready, he's ready for the US.

1538
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: Maybe he can't wait. We saw, listen, we saw this

1539
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 1: at Lena's funeral, the really out of pocket funeral oration

1540
01:14:53,800 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 1: that he gave in which he strongly suggested that you know,

1541
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 1: Lenor and Rainier's children were not what they appeared to be,

1542
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 1: were bastards in fact. And now he's really going in.

1543
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: He's saying, listen, Luke, Hilarion Luceris, he's not a Valarian blood.

1544
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,799
Speaker 1: We all know it. He's a bastard of how strong

1545
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 1: I am the sea snakes on blood. I'm the closest

1546
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: king he has left. I'm his brother. Let's what are

1547
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 1: we doing? He can't get it, he can't inherit driftmark

1548
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 1: and Raynie is like, well, you know that's kind of

1549
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 1: that's kind of treason, is it not?

1550
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? My and I love the moment where who is

1551
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 2: at her side? Is she? Is it Bayla? Who is

1552
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 2: with her? And she says, you know, my grandmother looks

1553
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 2: quite comfortable in it, like Bayla knows what her alliance is. Like,

1554
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 2: let's talk about how Rainie could be it. But Vaymond

1555
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 2: does not care. He is on one. It's going to

1556
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 2: end badly for him. You can tell it's always he's always,

1557
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 2: even back when we saw him in carl Us when

1558
01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 2: they first you know, when Carlus first broke off from

1559
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 2: the Sarah's, Vaymond always had the second son Itis AKA.

1560
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 2: He was just Napoleon syndrome, ready to fight. And it's

1561
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 2: not necessarily that he's wrong.

1562
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: This is a wrong. Let's say that's, yeah, he's not wrong.

1563
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 2: We can't we don't have a DNA test, but also

1564
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:23,679
Speaker 2: say he's telling the truth.

1565
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 5: But he does.

1566
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 2: He's not playing the Game of Thrones, do you know

1567
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 2: what I mean? That's that's what comes across the most

1568
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 2: in this episode. He doesn't want to play it. He

1569
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 2: wants to be honest and and be brutal and take

1570
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 2: what's his. That's you know, how the game is played,

1571
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 2: and there's.

1572
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 1: A lot in it for him obviously to be Lord

1573
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 1: of the Tides, that's a big deal. And and you

1574
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,959
Speaker 1: have to say, you know, like brother, like brother, Corliss

1575
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: very ambitious, outspoken, maneuvering for the things that he wants

1576
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: to enhance the power of his his house and line

1577
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 1: and Vaymond and his from his point of view, is

1578
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 1: doing the exact same thing the Cordless would have done

1579
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: if the positions were switched. And he's not maybe not

1580
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 1: wrong about that. Now Renie is kind of like again,

1581
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 1: tries to get him to kind of like slow down.

1582
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: You know, first of all, this is not like your

1583
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 1: decision to make. And then Vaymon says something that is

1584
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,679
Speaker 1: very alarming. He says, drift Mark is mine by all rights,

1585
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 1: and though I should like your support, I don't need it.

1586
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: He then points out the thing that we all know,

1587
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: which is Allison is running things in King's landing. Surely

1588
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: this means that Vissara's is not in good shape, and

1589
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 1: we see soon that that is the case. And we

1590
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 1: all know if a petition is raised about the future

1591
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: of drift Mark, which way Queen Allison and Auto High Tower,

1592
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: the hand of the King would rule. This is very alarming,

1593
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: but luckily Bayla is right there to take all of

1594
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: this in and we see why on Dragonstone Damon has

1595
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 1: just retrieved three eggs from the dragon mont. He brings

1596
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 1: them to the dragon keepers for safekeeping. And we've never

1597
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 1: seen Damon so happy.

1598
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 2: He's been like Lungkan for those he is feeling good

1599
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 2: about it.

1600
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 1: He's like three eggs, three eggs, a.

1601
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:16,879
Speaker 5: Pure childhood joy.

1602
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 2: Good dad, Damon coming back again like you see him.

1603
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 1: You know those Targarians, they love connecting to their Turgarian roots.

1604
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 1: And what could feel more Targurian, more Valerian than than

1605
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 1: you know, bringing back the dragon eggs and giving them

1606
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: to your Valerian speaking dragon keepers for safe keeping. As

1607
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 1: this is going on, some raven mail arrives and it's

1608
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 1: from Beyla, and it's again Bayla absolutely on the spot.

1609
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: She writes, Fuve coming through yeah, the cuatch.

1610
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 2: Like literally, this is one of the great things I

1611
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 2: love about this episode that leans so heavily into the

1612
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,560
Speaker 2: stuff we love about Game of Throns. This is a

1613
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 2: Raven where if it hadn't gone, the whole shape of

1614
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,759
Speaker 2: King's Landing history would be different. It would be completely different.

1615
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 2: But this small choice, the way that Vaymond, his arrogance

1616
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 2: meant that he ignored that Bayla was there, didn't care,

1617
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 2: and she just she comes through in the clutch and

1618
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 2: for everyone else.

1619
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's one of those things where I

1620
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 1: think Vaymond thinks that, well, we're all pure Targarian Valarian

1621
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 1: blood here, right, so we all get this, we all

1622
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 1: understand this, and he just kind of assumed I think

1623
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 1: that Bayla wants as a young woman, and also, you know,

1624
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 1: theoretically agreeing with his kind of perspective on pure blood

1625
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 1: lineage would just kind of like a go silently. So

1626
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 1: her Raven basically says, hey, Vaymond is going to King's

1627
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,600
Speaker 1: Landing and he plans to petition for drift Mark. We

1628
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: need to do something. He's going to call Lukes blood

1629
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: in a question love Bayla. This is a big deal.

1630
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 1: In the Castle, we see we meet up up with

1631
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: Jasaris Chase, now a teenager. He is busy learning as

1632
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 1: high Valerian. And I think what's wonderful about this scene is,

1633
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, when we had seen Jace previously, he was

1634
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: really he had complex feelings about who he was. Was

1635
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 1: he a strong was he a Valerian slash Targarian? Who

1636
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: who is he? And now by this time he has

1637
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: fully embraced his Targarian lineage. He is really making a

1638
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: strong go at learning Valerian. He's saying like, hey, this

1639
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: is it's it's important to honor the traditions of my

1640
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 1: four bearers. We see that Princess Rainier is pregnant now

1641
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:45,600
Speaker 1: with her third child by Damon, and Damon comes and

1642
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: they cleared the room. He shows her the message and

1643
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 1: it's a big, big, oh shit moment. Damon knows Daymond,

1644
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:56,600
Speaker 1: of course, from serving with him, and that that interminable

1645
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 1: war on the stepstones, and he knows that he doesn't

1646
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 1: He doesn't really give a shit about the whole succession,

1647
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 1: the larger succession question, that larger political question. He just

1648
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 1: wants drift mark and he doesn't care who sits on

1649
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 1: the throne. But the big worry is and everybody should

1650
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,719
Speaker 1: be worried about this because clearly this is the endgame

1651
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 1: for him. Is what happens when Vaymond and the High

1652
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 1: Towers aligne because they both want the same thing, which

1653
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 1: is Jase and Luke and the whole Rnier line out

1654
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 1: of the fucking way. And Damon thinks that because there's

1655
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 1: a question about where Renee falls in all this, and

1656
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,679
Speaker 1: that is a question we will explore. But Damon ultimately

1657
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 1: thinks that Renice is on their side because after all,

1658
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: she took Bailett to Ward and you know this is

1659
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,839
Speaker 1: they're also worried, of course, because you know, Renice thinks

1660
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:46,879
Speaker 1: that they kill.

1661
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 5: God, I want you.

1662
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 2: There's so many moments in this episode where I wanted

1663
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 2: to yell at the screen. Yeah, but this was one

1664
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 2: of them where I was like, I understand, but also like,

1665
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 2: just fucking tell her niece, just fucking.

1666
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: Could day though, I mean, this is a good ques.

1667
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 2: The hardest question, Well, the truth is what I love

1668
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 2: about this episode and how it's so well written. There's

1669
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 2: lots of moments like that, but then the payoffs you

1670
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 2: get without the easy route to get there are so

1671
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 2: much huger so it's actually it works out. But this

1672
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 2: was definitely one of those moments where I was just like,

1673
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 2: you are putting your whole family at risk, and I

1674
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 2: understand that you can't, but also like it's such a

1675
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 2: hard balance. They're really playing the game. Basically everything every

1676
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 2: decision is a is a life or death one.

1677
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 1: At this point, it feels like this is one of

1678
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:41,719
Speaker 1: those lies that you just can't It would actually, from

1679
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 1: my point of view, I think it'd be worse now. Yeah,

1680
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 1: I agree, it's way too late because should have done.

1681
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: Should have done because now, not only have I been

1682
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: lying to you for six years and we faked your

1683
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 1: son's death.

1684
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 2: And you have to agree for six years, you had to.

1685
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 1: Grieve for six years, but your son has done basically

1686
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:04,719
Speaker 1: the most shameful thing that you can do in this world,

1687
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: which is thrown off their family responsibilities and go run

1688
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:16,600
Speaker 1: away to be some like fugitive rascal in Esoce with

1689
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: his lover.

1690
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 2: Never bothered to contact you. So, yeah, you're right, this

1691
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 2: is the time to tell her. The time to tell

1692
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 2: her was six years ago, six years if she was

1693
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 2: going to be bought in on the plan.

1694
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 1: Raymond and Ranier and Damon arrive at King's landing and

1695
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: the welcome is not good. There's no one there to

1696
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: reach them, there's no one there to greet them. This

1697
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: is the crown Princess and the future king consort and

1698
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 1: there's no one there.

1699
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 2: And it's like the whole yard is empty and all

1700
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 2: the Targerian tapestries and decorations are gone, like this is

1701
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 2: like a bleak medieval, more like a more like a

1702
01:23:55,439 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 2: monastery than a palace. So it's not just cold welcome,

1703
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 2: but the change of tone.

1704
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 1: Only Lord Caswell of Bitterbridge in the reach, who is

1705
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 1: a committed Black. You will recall that we first met

1706
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 1: him after Raniera had given birth to Jeoffrey, and as

1707
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 1: she's struggling up the stairs, Lord Caswell, Lord and Lady

1708
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 1: Caswell were like, oh my god, what an honor to

1709
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:23,639
Speaker 1: be some of the first to greet you after the birth.

1710
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,599
Speaker 1: You know, anything we can do for you, So obviously

1711
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 1: they're committed to team Black. You mentioned it, the seven

1712
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 1: pointed stars everywhere. Damon and Ranier are both like, man,

1713
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 1: I barely recognize all of this. And to me, the

1714
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 1: way I read this was, you know, after kind of

1715
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 1: getting her hands dirty with Laris, the club Foot and

1716
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 1: his kind of like evil schemes. I think Alison has

1717
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 1: really leaned on her faith like as a way to

1718
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,719
Speaker 1: kind of like a suage her guilt and the shame

1719
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 1: of the things that she's been involved in. She's trying

1720
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 1: to cleanse herself and her rule. That's the way I

1721
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,759
Speaker 1: read it. At least she's wearing the seven pointed star necklace.

1722
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 2: Now it's a redemptive space for her. It's a way

1723
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 2: that she feels like she can gain kind of like

1724
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 2: forgiveness for the actions that she's not only been complicit in,

1725
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 2: but also that big blow up. You know, she showed

1726
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 2: a side of herself that she was not supposed to show,

1727
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:31,719
Speaker 2: of anger and hatred and very unbefitting of a queen.

1728
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 2: So I feel like you're totally right, I think. And

1729
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 2: now this is another thing about the show that could

1730
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:39,719
Speaker 2: be seen as fake, like something that she's presenting because

1731
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 2: she wants to look a certain way, but I think

1732
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 2: does But what I feel like Olivia Cook just sells

1733
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 2: it so much, and Allison sells it that there really

1734
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 2: is like this deep reverence that she's found and peace

1735
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 2: that she's found in It also helps her religion generally

1736
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 2: doesn't look very well on Targarians and their incestuous ways.

1737
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 2: So I talked about completely unfounded to believe that she's

1738
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:13,599
Speaker 2: got an agenda, or at least began with an agenda.

1739
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that in Ask the Maser.

1740
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,799
Speaker 1: So we go to the Small Council meeting where Allison

1741
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 1: is presiding. Of course she's basically ruling in this in

1742
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: the stead of the king, certainly, and then Otto speaks

1743
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 1: with the voice of the King. So a very very

1744
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:33,679
Speaker 1: strong team at the top of this very green leaning

1745
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 1: small council. Lord lymon Beesberry's drowning on about taxes and

1746
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:40,720
Speaker 1: tariffs when Sir Harold comes in. He brings news of

1747
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 1: Princess Varnier's arrival, and Otto says, I trust they were

1748
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 1: welcome as befit their station, as you instructed, Lord Hand

1749
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: says Sir Harold. This to me is obviously there's tremendous

1750
01:26:55,880 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 1: animosity between these two sides, but this is like overly petty, yeah,

1751
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 1: bullshit beneath Otto like he is.

1752
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:07,600
Speaker 2: This is his mistake. This is his mistake. He's obsessed

1753
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 2: with showing that he's constantly winning and constantly can get

1754
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 2: one over on other people, and that actually comes to

1755
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 2: bite him multiple times in this episode, and not just

1756
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 2: in the ways you would think, but also in the

1757
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 2: ways that even Allison begins to see the decisions that

1758
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:27,520
Speaker 2: he's making. It's to pay also, Sir Harold, I was disappointed,

1759
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 2: you know, that was like I didn't think he would

1760
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 2: he would. I know that the hand is essentially at

1761
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 2: this point like acting as the king, but I thought

1762
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 2: he was better than that. Man.

1763
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 1: It's currently that now we get to meet some of

1764
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 1: the newest members of the Small Council. Here we've got

1765
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 1: a new Grandmaster alright P two Grandmaster Mellows, who again

1766
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 1: we have to say, for all the debate about poltice

1767
01:27:55,920 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 1: or leeches, did a did a fucking bang up jobs

1768
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:04,719
Speaker 1: getting King Massius here?

1769
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:05,599
Speaker 2: Did he? Not?

1770
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 1: Like?

1771
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 2: How many is? There's three different costing changes at this point,

1772
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:16,639
Speaker 2: you know you gotta you gotta say it, grand Master.

1773
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 1: Or While the new Grandmasters is a little confused, he's like,

1774
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 1: why are we Why are we talking about dis inheriting

1775
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,799
Speaker 1: Luke like Corlis wanted him? Why are we getting involved

1776
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 1: in this Thailand? Lanister Master of Ships is mainly thinking

1777
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 1: about what happens if a new Valerian like comes to

1778
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 1: the fore and all of a sudden takes back what

1779
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,719
Speaker 1: has essentially been a family position as master of ships

1780
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:40,639
Speaker 1: for the realm. Doesn't that mean I'm out of a job?

1781
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 1: And so he's like, well, what does this kid know

1782
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 1: about about boats? Boats? Lymon Beesberry is is like, well,

1783
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 1: hold on. Just because he's never commanded navy doesn't mean

1784
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 1: that he is not the inheritor of Driftmark. And then

1785
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:56,759
Speaker 1: we get Lord Jasper Wilde, the new Master of Laws,

1786
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: and we see that he is really one of these

1787
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:02,599
Speaker 1: lawyer types. They call him iron Rod in the books.

1788
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 1: His nickname is iron Rod because he's so stern and

1789
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 1: buy the book. And he says here and we get

1790
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,440
Speaker 1: this is great character work because he says, well, well

1791
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 1: hold on. Actually, because you know, Lord Corlis a little

1792
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:17,679
Speaker 1: bit of a legal loophole here. Lord Corli's actually never

1793
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:24,679
Speaker 1: officially named Luke his heir, even though it was very

1794
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 1: clear to everyone involved that Corla's wanted.

1795
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 2: Luke to be house It was literally like paw of

1796
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:33,600
Speaker 2: his deal with Visaris to even agree to the wedding.

1797
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 1: At at Driftmark. During Lane's funeral, we watched Corli's have

1798
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 1: a big conversation with Luke about it. This is the

1799
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 1: height of bullshit. But this lets you know how Jasper

1800
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 1: Wild operates. And then of course we get to completely

1801
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 1: unbiased Queen Alison Andano, who are speaking for you know,

1802
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 1: with the King's voice, and they will just decide what's

1803
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 1: best of the realm and they'll hear it out, and

1804
01:29:57,560 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 1: you know, they'll give it a fair hearing, and we'll

1805
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: see what happened. As the Queen leaves, we meet Sir

1806
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 1: Eric Cargill, a King's Guard knight who's bringing troubling news

1807
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 1: of Prince Agon. Now Here, we should note we should

1808
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 1: note that we already have one set of twins in

1809
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 1: this show, right, Jason Lanister and Thailand Lanister. Now we

1810
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:23,720
Speaker 1: have two more, another set of twins, Eric Cargill and

1811
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 1: Eric Cargil, thanks to both our knights of who both

1812
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 1: are knights of the King's Guard and who no one

1813
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 1: can tell apart. Okay, what is the news of King Agon?

1814
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 1: We'll get let's get let's get to that. We'll get

1815
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 1: there in a second. So Princess Rainieron and Damon go

1816
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: to see the King and Visaras is in very very

1817
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:48,200
Speaker 1: rough shape. He's only barely alive. One eye is gone,

1818
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 1: his teeth are or a wreck. He's gasping for breath.

1819
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 1: The smell in the room must be horrendous because they

1820
01:30:54,280 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 1: have incense going all the time, and Visaras is clearly

1821
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 1: and in great pain, and he's doped up with a

1822
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of milk and the poppy, and you can

1823
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 1: see that Damon is very sad about all this. He's

1824
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 1: trying to get suspicious.

1825
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 2: He's special because he can see in the milk of

1826
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 2: the pulpy.

1827
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:15,679
Speaker 1: And then Damon, because Damon is not a person who

1828
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 1: he loves. You know, he loves his brother deeply, but

1829
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 1: he also like he's a dude and is not in

1830
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 1: touch with his feelings. So he gets to the point

1831
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, so we're here because of Damon's petition

1832
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:31,679
Speaker 1: to disinherit Luke. And the King's like, what, let Auto

1833
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:33,679
Speaker 1: deal with it, and Damon's like that, but we can't

1834
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 1: do that because blah blah blah. And Raniera understanding her father,

1835
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:40,680
Speaker 1: knowing her father, and also understanding what it is that

1836
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: her father loves, is like, okay, Damon, step back, let

1837
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 1: me show him his grandchildren, because that is the thing

1838
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 1: that will get him fled up, and she introduces the

1839
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:54,639
Speaker 1: king to uh, Eggon the Younger an there's two Eggons

1840
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 1: in this show, Eggon the Younger and his grandson, Visara's

1841
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:03,440
Speaker 1: and the King. It's here is like, here's Paddy Constantine

1842
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 1: and Emmy Reel. The way he lights up and the

1843
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:11,599
Speaker 1: look on his face with the one eye like where

1844
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 1: he's like, who's this? What is this? And and he

1845
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:17,680
Speaker 1: just comes alive, becomes a different person. The way he

1846
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 1: says like, oh, when she introduces Vissarah's, Oh, that's a

1847
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 1: name fit for a king, and they laugh and it's

1848
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 1: this unreal emotional moment, so.

1849
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 2: Good and it's heartbreaking, and it's also an unbelievable bit

1850
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 2: of epic distraction by the creative team because they just

1851
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:42,280
Speaker 2: didn't introduce egg On. But then they're like, don't worry. Look,

1852
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 2: this one's called Visera's. It's like, don't worry him being

1853
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 2: named Eggon. That's not going to cause a massive problem.

1854
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 2: By the end of this episode. Gonna be completely fine.

1855
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 2: It's actually gonna be completely fine. Here's this heartwarming moment,

1856
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 2: and Paddy sells it despite his like terrible prosthetic CGI

1857
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 2: combo wasting disease is just pure emotion. It's it's just

1858
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 2: so this is I mean, this is another episode as well.

1859
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 2: They do unexpected stuff with Damon that makes me not

1860
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:16,800
Speaker 2: hate him, you know. After good Dad Damon, we're now

1861
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 2: getting good brother Damon, or.

1862
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 1: At least the way.

1863
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 2: With love with conniving Damon.

1864
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 1: That's to the way is the way. Damon is like

1865
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 1: trying to talk about the daymon case and all the

1866
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 1: things that are happening, and he's like trying to look

1867
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 1: at Visa's but then he keeps looking away because he

1868
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:35,640
Speaker 1: get bare to look at his brother. I mean, that

1869
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 1: was That's just good stuff.

1870
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 2: It's really good stuff.

1871
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 1: Okay, we go to the Queen's chambers, where where the

1872
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 1: Queen learns that Prince Egon, who Otto who Alison, who

1873
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:48,759
Speaker 1: the supporters of the Greens would like to elevate to king,

1874
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 1: is apparently a rapist. He has raped Diana, one of

1875
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:55,480
Speaker 1: the household staff, and it's very clear from this conversation

1876
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 1: that this is not the first time something like this

1877
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 1: has happened. Alison empathize, you know, is a woman in power,

1878
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:07,479
Speaker 1: and as much as I think she thinks that she

1879
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 1: can empathizes with the young woman. It's clear that she's

1880
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:15,679
Speaker 1: not necessarily questioning her story, but she does say, well,

1881
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:20,760
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not questioning it, but people it might

1882
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:22,640
Speaker 1: be it would be, he said, she said, if it

1883
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 1: got beyond this room, and and you know, and the

1884
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 1: prince is a married man, and they'd say that you're

1885
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 1: trying to slander him. And so here's a bag of

1886
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 1: money and and some plan tea, and why don't you

1887
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 1: drink that down because it's best to be certain and

1888
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 1: away with you.

1889
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:41,919
Speaker 2: And the craziest thing is the money's already there prepared.

1890
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 2: Her handmaiden is there with the tea. This is not

1891
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 2: the first time they've done this, that they have had

1892
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 2: to do. There's a moment. The first thing that Allison

1893
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 2: does is she takes Diana's head in her hands and

1894
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 2: she looks in her eyes and she says, I believe you.

1895
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,759
Speaker 2: This was not your fault. And that is what she means,

1896
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,439
Speaker 2: and that is the truth. And then she immediately basically

1897
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 2: just victim blames her and guilt trips her to protect

1898
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 2: the realm, it's what she it's what she feels like

1899
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 2: she has to do. But she gets that moment first

1900
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 2: where she tells her I believe you, you didn't do

1901
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:18,559
Speaker 2: anything wrong, and then gives her a lot of money. So,

1902
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 2: you know what, I'll take.

1903
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:23,559
Speaker 1: A very bracing and it's a very hard. It kind

1904
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:28,000
Speaker 1: of encapsulates the High Tower perspective, which is, hey, this

1905
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 1: world is intust and misogynistic and people do bad things

1906
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 1: like like assault the household stuff. But that's just reality.

1907
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 1: And though we empathize with the victims, can we really

1908
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:41,680
Speaker 1: change it? No? No, because yeah, like we just have

1909
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:43,720
Speaker 1: to kind of accept that that's what it is. And

1910
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:47,719
Speaker 1: again we you know, our heart goes out to Diana,

1911
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:49,880
Speaker 1: but like we just kind of have to accept that

1912
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 1: the realm is this fucked up place, and.

1913
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 2: That's a great product to you know.

1914
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 1: It's like Allison is a product of her environment and environment,

1915
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 1: and it's sad to say that this is probably the

1916
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 1: best that a person like Diana could hope for in

1917
01:36:04,479 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 1: an outcome like this.

1918
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 2: Becagers and Alison goes a little bit, she goes a

1919
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 2: little bit further than anyone else would. Some people would

1920
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 2: just have a kill bit for I wasn't sure. I

1921
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:14,799
Speaker 2: thought she was gonna be killed. Is she gonna be banished?

1922
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 1: No?

1923
01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 2: She was threatened, but she also got money and was

1924
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 2: just basically told be quiet and you can survive this.

1925
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 2: But it's very sad.

1926
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 1: Allison goes to see egg On. He doesn't even remember

1927
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 1: this thing. He's like, whatever, you know, it's who cares like,

1928
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, just some fun, just some fun. It's not

1929
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 1: a big deal. And Alison goes nuts. She's slapping him,

1930
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:40,679
Speaker 1: She's saying, you're no son of mine. Egg On then

1931
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 1: absolutely like despicably, just like what a what a spineless

1932
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:49,519
Speaker 1: creature he is? Then is like starts whining, Oh, I

1933
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 1: didn't ask for this, and it's so hard to live

1934
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 1: up to you and father's expectations. What do you mean

1935
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:57,639
Speaker 1: like not raping people?

1936
01:36:57,800 --> 01:36:59,599
Speaker 5: Like? Do it right?

1937
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:00,799
Speaker 2: Also, I want to say.

1938
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 1: Really like also, I just like I.

1939
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 2: Want to say something that we talked about a lot,

1940
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:07,680
Speaker 2: that was talked about a lot in the lead up

1941
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 2: to this show is a different approach to sexual violence,

1942
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 2: and I think it's very this is it. Instead of

1943
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 2: it showing that horrific act, we instead see the fallout

1944
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 2: and the way it shapes the people around them. Very smart,

1945
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 2: very well done, just brilliant storytelling. But yeah, this tells

1946
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 2: us so much about Eggon and what it basically tells

1947
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 2: us is he sucks and we love absolute. There's a

1948
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:34,840
Speaker 2: I just I find the way the things we learn

1949
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 2: about Allison's family and the kind of way that the

1950
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 2: bitterness and betrayal of what has gotten her to where

1951
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 2: she is has infiltrated them is just like so heartbreaking.

1952
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 1: The hypocrisy is unreal because listen, we put Damon the

1953
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:56,599
Speaker 1: side right because he's a fucking wild car. You never

1954
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 1: know what he's going to do. He would be a

1955
01:37:58,120 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 1: bad king or be a nightmare for the realm. You

1956
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 1: can't look at egg On and say, yeah, this guy's

1957
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 1: gonna kill it. He's gonna be a great king, no way,

1958
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:07,920
Speaker 1: like all the same kind of problems. Yeah, and then

1959
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 1: the Damon was dismissed.

1960
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:15,599
Speaker 2: For Alison married Eggon to her door and put her

1961
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:18,280
Speaker 2: daughter in a situation where she had to be married

1962
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 2: to this tyrant. Basically who is arguably worse, I mean,

1963
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 2: to be married to your brother rather than an old

1964
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:26,920
Speaker 2: creepy king, Like, probably worse to be married to your brother.

1965
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:31,640
Speaker 1: Helena comes in and is like, oh, where's Diana. She

1966
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:34,439
Speaker 1: was supposed to help with the kids today, And Alison

1967
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,559
Speaker 1: then the full weight of how fucked up this entire

1968
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:40,720
Speaker 1: situation is hits her. It's clear that Helena has no

1969
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:44,040
Speaker 1: idea what's been going on, and she embraces her daughter,

1970
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 1: the wife of her her son, who again is a

1971
01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 1: terrible sexual assault bad person. The Queen then goes to

1972
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 1: see Raniera and Damon a very interesting little conversation that

1973
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 1: they're having before the patron's up there, like they're talking

1974
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:01,880
Speaker 1: about the adults date of the King. They're wondering about

1975
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:05,800
Speaker 1: the mesters, and Raniera, right before Alison comes in, is like, oh,

1976
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:09,080
Speaker 1: we should we should contact Gerardis. Gerardis is their measter

1977
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 1: on Dragonstone. So it's very clear that whatever the truth

1978
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 1: of what the Masters are prescribing to the King, Raniera

1979
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:20,639
Speaker 1: and Damon are very very suspicious and they want their own.

1980
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:26,160
Speaker 2: They're right, at least on a small level, because we

1981
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:29,480
Speaker 2: see a huge change in visaras this this episode.

1982
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 1: I don't. So they have this whole conversation, right, they

1983
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:35,920
Speaker 1: argue about it. Well, first of all, you know, Damon

1984
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 1: brings up like the removal of the targari and stuff,

1985
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, Alison is like, well, the emblems

1986
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 1: of the Seven seek only to guide us on an

1987
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,719
Speaker 1: uncertain path, and it's like, okay, whatever, and then they

1988
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:50,320
Speaker 1: talk about the king State and Raniera. They argue about it,

1989
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 1: and Alison in what I feel is like a is

1990
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:55,800
Speaker 1: it's obviously a self serving thing, but I think she's

1991
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 1: been sincere about it because she does feel warmly for

1992
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 1: King Vissara's says, well, you don't, you're not You're not here.

1993
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 1: You don't understand how much pain is in and she

1994
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 1: has a point like, yeah, that is fair, and it

1995
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 1: gets paid off wonderfully later at the banquet. Okay, Jason Luke,

1996
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:15,559
Speaker 1: go visit the yard where years ago they were training

1997
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:19,240
Speaker 1: at Swords and morning Stars under the tutelage of Sir Kristen.

1998
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, just because you mentioned Sir Christen's name, I

1999
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:23,439
Speaker 2: just have to say, I know, I know the power

2000
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:28,519
Speaker 2: of planty. But when they recost Jase like he looks

2001
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 2: like Sir Kristen's kid. I'm not saying there's no DNA test.

2002
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 2: Nobody knows.

2003
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:33,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's just.

2004
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:37,599
Speaker 2: Saying he doesn't even like Harwin, but he has us.

2005
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:42,120
Speaker 2: He has a big, luxurious Kristin hair and he's looking

2006
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:44,800
Speaker 2: a little bit. I'm just saying I saw him and

2007
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:47,240
Speaker 2: I was like, hmmm, I think he.

2008
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:50,439
Speaker 1: Looks horwin enough, but be that as it may. Luke

2009
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:54,760
Speaker 1: is still insecure about not looking like they're obviously their

2010
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:58,639
Speaker 1: biological father, Sir Leayn Oron, Yeah, obviously, and he's sensing

2011
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:01,679
Speaker 1: weird vibes, you know, from everyone around who you would

2012
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:05,720
Speaker 1: have to assume, since Allison and her crew have been

2013
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 1: reigning from King's landing basically unopposed without Ranier in town,

2014
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:11,960
Speaker 1: that they're all Green supporters, they're kind of like eyeing them.

2015
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 1: Jason's like, fuck them, who cares, I'm gonna be King,

2016
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:17,960
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Prince Aimond one eye is sparring

2017
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 1: with Kristen Cole, and we see that Amond has become

2018
01:41:20,439 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 1: a badass and they have very very scary scary guy

2019
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:27,200
Speaker 1: in the intervening years. He says, nephews, have you come

2020
01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:29,640
Speaker 1: to train? And they're like, oh, we don't want to

2021
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:33,959
Speaker 1: do that, And just then Vaymond comes in with his retinue.

2022
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:38,400
Speaker 1: In the Queen's chambers, the Queen is kind of cracking

2023
01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 1: under the pressure, and Otto is like, listen, we got

2024
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 1: to go through with this. Yes, this is people. There's

2025
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of hurt feelings that may come

2026
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 1: to violence, but we need to cut the legs out

2027
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:54,240
Speaker 1: from Raniera and her people. Vaymond is there, and it's

2028
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:57,040
Speaker 1: very clear that the alliance that Raniera and Damon were

2029
01:41:57,120 --> 01:42:04,120
Speaker 1: fearing has is happening. Vayman basically says, hey, listen, you

2030
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:06,719
Speaker 1: install me at drift Mark. Make sure that I inherit

2031
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:10,120
Speaker 1: drift Mark. By the way, Corlis is still alive. I

2032
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:14,080
Speaker 1: just to mention that Corlis is not dead. So and

2033
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:16,599
Speaker 1: then Vaymon is like, listen, you know if I inherit

2034
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 1: drift Mark, then the fleets will be at your command.

2035
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:24,519
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be great? Uh? And that is pretty scary. Uh.

2036
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 1: Rania and Reina go visit Rainie in the gods would

2037
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 1: They are scrambling for any kind of support they can get.

2038
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:35,960
Speaker 1: This is, you know, a little bit of like trying

2039
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:41,160
Speaker 1: to butter up Rainie by bringing bringing her granddaughter Raina

2040
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:46,519
Speaker 1: to to this meeting. And Rainier clearly knows that what's

2041
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:49,080
Speaker 1: about to happen, This proceeding in the throne's going to

2042
01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:51,160
Speaker 1: be a t It's not it's not a legit on

2043
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 1: the up and up like trial. This is this is

2044
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:57,040
Speaker 1: a kangaroo court. Uh. The you know, it's not going

2045
01:42:57,080 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 1: to be good, and Renie knows it, and she's then

2046
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:06,360
Speaker 1: while kind of unpacking the things that Raniera saying, asks

2047
01:43:06,439 --> 01:43:11,439
Speaker 1: about Leanor, did you kill him? And Raniera tells the truth.

2048
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:13,439
Speaker 1: She says, I did not order his death, nor was

2049
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:15,639
Speaker 1: I complicit in it. I swear this to you.

2050
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:19,200
Speaker 2: True, true, true, true, true, one true. This is a

2051
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 2: great episode of Raniera delivering generous, logical, thoughtful offers. She is.

2052
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:32,840
Speaker 2: She is actually throughout the season completely very smart, very

2053
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:36,840
Speaker 2: logical person who wants to find agree non bloodshed. And

2054
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:39,960
Speaker 2: we saw this when she went and faced down Damon

2055
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 2: and ended that without bloodshed and got the egg back.

2056
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 2: But like, that is who she is. And it's very

2057
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 2: interesting to see Allison turned her down, you know, that

2058
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:51,280
Speaker 2: set something on a path, and here she she does

2059
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:54,759
Speaker 2: the same thing with Renie again being incredibly honest.

2060
01:43:55,000 --> 01:44:01,440
Speaker 1: Then great deals. Her deal is Lana's t ldren Uh

2061
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:08,800
Speaker 1: Baila and Rena will marry Raniera and Raniera and and

2062
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:13,880
Speaker 1: Lane knows Jason Luke Bayla's children will sit the Iron

2063
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:16,960
Speaker 1: Throat Rains will succeed a drift Mark and everybody wins.

2064
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:19,919
Speaker 1: Rainey's is noncommittal.

2065
01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:21,559
Speaker 2: To the point of being like she's kind of like

2066
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:24,639
Speaker 2: I must stand on my own, like I can't commit

2067
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:27,360
Speaker 2: to this because I have to protect my family, because

2068
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:29,679
Speaker 2: I know the high Towers are about to make their attack.

2069
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:33,640
Speaker 1: It's it's on the one hand, frustrating and on the

2070
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:37,400
Speaker 1: other hand, just really smart by Rainey's because.

2071
01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:39,280
Speaker 2: She's played this game longer than anyone.

2072
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:42,559
Speaker 1: Longer than anyone. She's more experienced than anyone. She was

2073
01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 1: she should have been queen. Everybody understands this, and she

2074
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:51,320
Speaker 1: knows how the realm works, and she wants to see how.

2075
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:54,639
Speaker 1: She wants to see how everything shakes out before she

2076
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:57,839
Speaker 1: steps out and makes a decision. And also, unlike Vaymond,

2077
01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 1: she understands Corlis is alive. We're not making decisions as

2078
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 1: the same.

2079
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:06,640
Speaker 2: Who has always had a back he is.

2080
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:10,320
Speaker 1: We will make that decision as a team should he survive,

2081
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:14,240
Speaker 1: But at the moment, he's alive and not able to contribute.

2082
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:17,559
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna just kind of wait, and that's just

2083
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 1: smarter for her. Raniera goes to see her father. There's

2084
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:24,760
Speaker 1: a storm raging. This is an amazing scene, just fucking chills.

2085
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:30,120
Speaker 1: She breaks down under the pressure and says the song

2086
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:31,880
Speaker 1: of Ice and Fire, do you believe it to be true.

2087
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:34,640
Speaker 1: You told me it was our duty to hold the

2088
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 1: realm together against you common foe. But by naming me Air,

2089
01:45:38,439 --> 01:45:40,880
Speaker 1: you divided the realm. And this is all stuff that

2090
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:45,960
Speaker 1: I wish they would have talked about before, you know,

2091
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 1: And she says, listen, if you want, if that was

2092
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:53,680
Speaker 1: your choice, that I would rule that we that that

2093
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:57,040
Speaker 1: our line would go forward through me to face whatever

2094
01:45:57,160 --> 01:46:00,240
Speaker 1: this song of ice and fire challenge is. Then you

2095
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:02,720
Speaker 1: need to help me. You need to help me and

2096
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:06,720
Speaker 1: defend my children so that we can live up to

2097
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:09,360
Speaker 1: your decision. And and it's unclear if the King got

2098
01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:11,640
Speaker 1: any of that, because he's just out of it. But

2099
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 1: the next morning, like a like an old prize fighter,

2100
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:19,879
Speaker 1: he's getting he's getting taped up for one last body.

2101
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 2: A ton down.

2102
01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:26,200
Speaker 1: The Teacerned is like, what's this the King's getting up

2103
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:28,479
Speaker 1: for in the morning, and he tells how to listen.

2104
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:30,960
Speaker 1: I want to have dinner tonight, and he's like, it's

2105
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 1: but it's the morning. It's breakley. He thinks the king

2106
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:33,639
Speaker 1: is too adult.

2107
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:36,959
Speaker 2: Tonight tonight to my family.

2108
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:40,639
Speaker 1: Yes, my family's here. We're doing it tonight, and Auto

2109
01:46:40,640 --> 01:46:42,759
Speaker 1: brings more milk of the poppy wish. The king declines,

2110
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:46,840
Speaker 1: we go to the throne room. This is it. This

2111
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:49,840
Speaker 1: is good, this is so good, this is game seven,

2112
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 1: this is it for all the fucking marbles. Otto is

2113
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:56,439
Speaker 1: presiding over the petition, and you could just read it

2114
01:46:56,479 --> 01:47:00,400
Speaker 1: on his body language, how he's sitting. They were like

2115
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:05,320
Speaker 1: very very comfortable sitting there. He's so smug. Vaymin speaks first,

2116
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:08,400
Speaker 1: and he lays out the centuries old relationship between house Valarian,

2117
01:47:08,439 --> 01:47:11,720
Speaker 1: Hou's Targarian, and he says his case essentially rests on

2118
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:16,760
Speaker 1: Luke is not a true Valerian. But I am. I'm

2119
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 1: the second son. Corlis is on his way out, so

2120
01:47:20,120 --> 01:47:24,240
Speaker 1: the the Jeff Mark and Herod it should go through me.

2121
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:29,960
Speaker 1: Vaniera tries to interrupt, but you know that's Otto and

2122
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:33,479
Speaker 1: Queen Alison are like, let's let Vaymon have his say.

2123
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:37,920
Speaker 1: You will get your safe veymen, and just basically, very

2124
01:47:38,040 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 1: very very thinly veiled language just basically calls Luke bastard

2125
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:45,880
Speaker 1: and says he's not part of this family and this

2126
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:51,800
Speaker 1: Valerian Targarian family descended from old Vlaiir. He's something else,

2127
01:47:52,479 --> 01:47:55,680
Speaker 1: so we need to disinherit him now. Princess Varniera steps up.

2128
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:58,040
Speaker 1: It's her, It's her time. She takes a deep breath

2129
01:47:58,040 --> 01:48:00,439
Speaker 1: and it's pretty clear she's about to start with hey,

2130
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:03,040
Speaker 1: remember twenty years ago when everybody swore an oath the

2131
01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:05,680
Speaker 1: thingsport me, why are we doing this? And just as

2132
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:08,920
Speaker 1: she's about to do that, the doors of the hall

2133
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 1: fly open and the King's guard announces the arrival of

2134
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:17,840
Speaker 1: King Visas, the first of his name. And it's a

2135
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:19,800
Speaker 1: huge oh.

2136
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:22,320
Speaker 2: Shit because things were not going well for Raniera. Like

2137
01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 2: she was looking, everyone there kind of had the bows.

2138
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,920
Speaker 2: They were enjoying the drama Otto sitting in the throne

2139
01:48:29,240 --> 01:48:33,080
Speaker 2: like Alison is there looking, I have to say, admittedly uncomfortable,

2140
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:37,880
Speaker 2: as my Allison empathetic side must point out, but it

2141
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,719
Speaker 2: was done for Ranierra. That was not going to happen.

2142
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:43,599
Speaker 2: And then you're basically also, that's the beginning of your downfall.

2143
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:48,120
Speaker 2: And then it's like dunt, dun, dum it was. And

2144
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:51,479
Speaker 2: he fights his way into that hole.

2145
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:56,200
Speaker 1: You feel it in every movement, how he is putting

2146
01:48:57,520 --> 01:49:02,080
Speaker 1: the last drops of his little life force into walking

2147
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:08,000
Speaker 1: unassisted across the throne room to the throne, and there

2148
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:11,719
Speaker 1: is like this incredible moment where he looks at Raniera.

2149
01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:15,760
Speaker 1: And you see, I mean this was emotional. This got me.

2150
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 1: You see on her face that she had pled with

2151
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:23,400
Speaker 1: everything she had from the bottom of her heart for

2152
01:49:23,439 --> 01:49:27,040
Speaker 1: her father to come and defend her and defend his decision.

2153
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:29,000
Speaker 1: But she also didn't expect that he would do it.

2154
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:31,880
Speaker 1: Like he's in bad shape number one. Number two, he's

2155
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:34,439
Speaker 1: never really come through before, so why would he. And

2156
01:49:34,479 --> 01:49:37,160
Speaker 1: the fact that he is there now, you can see,

2157
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:42,840
Speaker 1: takes her by complete shock and surprise, and she's just overcome.

2158
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:47,880
Speaker 1: It is just like a dumbfounded look of pure emotion

2159
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 1: on her face.

2160
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:52,200
Speaker 2: Well, she always wanted her whole life if only this

2161
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:53,960
Speaker 2: had happened other times.

2162
01:49:55,320 --> 01:49:59,040
Speaker 1: So he he makes his way to the throne, and.

2163
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:01,599
Speaker 2: I will sit the throne today.

2164
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:06,439
Speaker 1: Otto Otto is like, oh fuck, I guess I gotta

2165
01:50:06,439 --> 01:50:09,000
Speaker 1: get up. Vamond is like, oh shit, are we in

2166
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:11,320
Speaker 1: trouble here? Like I thought this was good.

2167
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:14,320
Speaker 5: I thought we were fine. It's like Dad just turned

2168
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:16,200
Speaker 5: up to the.

2169
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:23,200
Speaker 1: Uh and another just like chills inducing moment where he's

2170
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:26,800
Speaker 1: struggling up the steps. He refuses the help of Eric

2171
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:29,120
Speaker 1: or Eric or one of the king's guard members, and

2172
01:50:29,160 --> 01:50:33,040
Speaker 1: his crown falls off his drooping head and a hand

2173
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:35,360
Speaker 1: reaches down to pick him up and grasps him under

2174
01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:38,080
Speaker 1: the shoulder, and he's about to shoot the person away again,

2175
01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:41,280
Speaker 1: but he looks and it's his brother, Damon. Come on,

2176
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:44,360
Speaker 1: let's go, let's get up there, and it is just like.

2177
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 2: And he puts that crown on his head and it

2178
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:52,320
Speaker 2: is just it got me and I cried so many times.

2179
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 1: It got me. It it. We were interviewing director Giva

2180
01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:59,720
Speaker 1: Patel on the official podcast and she said that this

2181
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:01,840
Speaker 1: was a lot of this just kind of happened in

2182
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:03,800
Speaker 1: the room. Like the scene has written, was that he

2183
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:08,120
Speaker 1: is his visa's eyes were locked on the throne, but

2184
01:51:08,439 --> 01:51:10,800
Speaker 1: they realized in the room that like, no, oh, he's

2185
01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:13,519
Speaker 1: going to his daughter. He's riding to his daughter's rescue

2186
01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:16,519
Speaker 1: and he's looking at her and he's focusing on her.

2187
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:19,720
Speaker 1: So they shot that reverse angle shot and then the

2188
01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:22,800
Speaker 1: crown did fall off his head and the Damon thing

2189
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:25,080
Speaker 1: was just kind of improvised there, like it just happened.

2190
01:51:25,120 --> 01:51:27,360
Speaker 1: Damon stepped up and grabbed it, and they were just like, oh,

2191
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:31,680
Speaker 1: that's good, yes, good, good, good, good good. It's just

2192
01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:35,400
Speaker 1: an amazing story. So the king now is sitting there

2193
01:51:35,439 --> 01:51:37,880
Speaker 1: and he's He's like, why are we doing this? Like

2194
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:41,720
Speaker 1: I thought, is this not settled? Like Corliss had made

2195
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:44,759
Speaker 1: the decision. I agree with it. It's his decision to make. Also,

2196
01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:48,880
Speaker 1: Luke's the air to drift Mark. But let's let's let's

2197
01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:53,040
Speaker 1: ask his wife, his lady wife, one of my favorites

2198
01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:55,960
Speaker 1: in the Targherran family were an East Targarian to come forward, and.

2199
01:51:56,240 --> 01:51:58,479
Speaker 2: Surely the only person who can comment on this in

2200
01:51:58,520 --> 01:51:59,280
Speaker 2: any way.

2201
01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:04,840
Speaker 1: She ast and it is one of those you feel like,

2202
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:06,840
Speaker 1: oh shit, I don't know how this is.

2203
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:08,320
Speaker 2: You don't know how it's gonna go. I thought it

2204
01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:10,519
Speaker 2: was gonna go against Vanera. But this is like one

2205
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:12,760
Speaker 2: of my favorite moments of the season so far. I

2206
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:14,160
Speaker 2: like was like punching the air.

2207
01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:20,439
Speaker 1: So Renie says, it was ever my husband's will that

2208
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:22,719
Speaker 1: Driftmark would pass through Sir Lanor and who his true

2209
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:27,679
Speaker 1: born son, Sarah's Valarion, and his mind never changed, nor

2210
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:29,639
Speaker 1: did my support of him.

2211
01:52:30,439 --> 01:52:30,960
Speaker 3: Uh.

2212
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:35,960
Speaker 1: And then Rainie drops an absolute fucking bomb that Jason

2213
01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:42,000
Speaker 1: Luke are gonna marry Baylen Rena, uniting the black side

2214
01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:46,200
Speaker 1: of the family as in the Black Faction between the

2215
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:52,000
Speaker 1: simple Blacks who support Rania and Leanor's side and uh

2216
01:52:52,240 --> 01:52:55,679
Speaker 1: and she says, listen, and I heartily agreed to that proposal,

2217
01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:59,479
Speaker 1: and Otto is fucking sick. King Vissara's is like, well, great,

2218
01:52:59,680 --> 01:53:04,240
Speaker 1: sat up, We're done. But Vaymond can't. He's not. He's

2219
01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:06,679
Speaker 1: not gonna stand for this. He's not done. He fucking

2220
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:07,280
Speaker 1: flips out.

2221
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:08,800
Speaker 2: He has to go out his own way. He knows

2222
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:10,600
Speaker 2: where it's going, he knows where this is headed, but

2223
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:11,559
Speaker 2: he has to do it.

2224
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:14,960
Speaker 1: He has to say his piece. He's like, how dare

2225
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:17,759
Speaker 1: you to the king? He calls the king's judgment into questioning.

2226
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:21,840
Speaker 1: You see, Visserus is so weakened. He's so weakened, and

2227
01:53:21,880 --> 01:53:25,639
Speaker 1: even just like the energy he used to to weigh

2228
01:53:25,720 --> 01:53:29,839
Speaker 1: in on this, you could feel it fading until Vaymond

2229
01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:32,080
Speaker 1: begins to challenge him in this kind of very very

2230
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:35,200
Speaker 1: irresponsible and disrespectful way, and like the old dragon kind

2231
01:53:35,200 --> 01:53:38,360
Speaker 1: of stirs and he sits forward. He's like what, uh,

2232
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:43,080
Speaker 1: what now? Vaymond is like openly defying the king. He's like,

2233
01:53:43,200 --> 01:53:45,439
Speaker 1: you're not a he's not a true Vlarian. He's talking

2234
01:53:45,439 --> 01:53:51,920
Speaker 1: about Luke and he continues basically intimating that, like you

2235
01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:54,479
Speaker 1: know what they are everybody knows what they are do

2236
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:56,639
Speaker 1: I have to say it, and Damon is over there

2237
01:53:56,680 --> 01:53:58,360
Speaker 1: being like, go ahead and say it, just please, He's

2238
01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:03,240
Speaker 1: just say it, say it. So finally David just lets it.

2239
01:54:03,320 --> 01:54:14,640
Speaker 1: Lucy says her children are about Godzilla.

2240
01:54:14,840 --> 01:54:20,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, like letting forth the atomic fire. And then he's

2241
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:22,519
Speaker 5: not done. He just has to drop the final might

2242
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:24,320
Speaker 5: drop like you might.

2243
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:27,480
Speaker 2: Have got away with that, maybe go to prison, maybe

2244
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:29,800
Speaker 2: because everybody knew. But he has to say it.

2245
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:38,640
Speaker 1: He has to. And then he's like end and their mother.

2246
01:54:39,600 --> 01:54:42,640
Speaker 2: Is old and it sounds.

2247
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:47,280
Speaker 1: Like, oh fuck the king adrenaline pumping from his old

2248
01:54:47,320 --> 01:54:51,400
Speaker 1: adrenaline glance his whole knife out where this one fucking

2249
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:55,800
Speaker 1: good army pulls out Agon's blade. He's like and he's like,

2250
01:54:56,480 --> 01:54:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it this time. I've been threatening for

2251
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:01,400
Speaker 1: twenty years to cut the tongues out and now I'm

2252
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:04,520
Speaker 1: gonna do it. But before he can even do it, boom,

2253
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:09,200
Speaker 1: Vaymon's head just falls off the top of it, just

2254
01:55:09,200 --> 01:55:14,800
Speaker 1: falls off the bottom half. And guess what. Damon Targarian

2255
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:18,360
Speaker 1: had just kind of with a flick of dark sister

2256
01:55:18,480 --> 01:55:23,280
Speaker 1: had chopped off Vaymon's head. Everybody is like holy fucking shit.

2257
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:25,480
Speaker 1: And he goes and he can keep the tongue. The

2258
01:55:25,480 --> 01:55:29,040
Speaker 1: tongue remains in the bottom part of the head. And

2259
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:34,480
Speaker 1: interesting reaction, I thought from Amon one eye, who looks

2260
01:55:34,640 --> 01:55:37,840
Speaker 1: across at Damon like, Okay, one of these days you

2261
01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:39,680
Speaker 1: and I are going to go at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2262
01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:40,120
Speaker 1: they do.

2263
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:45,720
Speaker 2: They set that up very well here and it there's

2264
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:47,920
Speaker 2: this moment and then there's a little moment a little

2265
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:50,520
Speaker 2: bit later away you start to realize that that's gonna

2266
01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:53,160
Speaker 2: be that's gonna be the battle that we see in

2267
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:53,720
Speaker 2: the future.

2268
01:55:54,760 --> 01:55:58,200
Speaker 1: Uh you know. Otto is like, hey, disarm Damon, and

2269
01:55:58,280 --> 01:56:01,360
Speaker 1: Damon's like, that's fine. The blot off and puts the

2270
01:56:01,480 --> 01:56:04,520
Speaker 1: sort away and that's it. And and that's it. It's

2271
01:56:04,520 --> 01:56:07,320
Speaker 1: dinner time, folks. We're going to the family dinner after that.

2272
01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:07,720
Speaker 2: The king.

2273
01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:12,560
Speaker 1: Uh so we go to So we go to dinner time.

2274
01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:16,600
Speaker 1: The vibes are weird. Everyone, of course, just saw Veaymon

2275
01:56:16,680 --> 01:56:21,640
Speaker 1: get decapitated like two hours before. The king looks like

2276
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:26,080
Speaker 1: they fished him out of his open grave. Looking back here.

2277
01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:30,840
Speaker 1: Look he's looking real bad. He's carried in, he says,

2278
01:56:30,920 --> 01:56:34,160
Speaker 1: you know how, it's just wonderful to see everybody here together.

2279
01:56:34,200 --> 01:56:36,760
Speaker 1: It's clear that this is a very emotional thing for him.

2280
01:56:37,120 --> 01:56:40,000
Speaker 1: Alison then says a prayer and where she says, you know,

2281
01:56:40,040 --> 01:56:42,040
Speaker 1: may the smith men the bonds that have been broken

2282
01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:44,200
Speaker 1: for far too long, and then don't forget about sir

2283
01:56:44,280 --> 01:56:48,600
Speaker 1: Veayment made the God's game and rest. Damon rolls his eyes.

2284
01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:57,080
Speaker 1: So fucking hard, so funny, king, so much fun this episode.

2285
01:56:57,520 --> 01:56:59,920
Speaker 1: It's really great. The King then calls for a toast

2286
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:05,480
Speaker 1: to Jason, Luke and their betrothed Baylen Rayna. Then for Luke,

2287
01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:09,160
Speaker 1: the future Lord of the Tides. Eggon is making really

2288
01:57:09,200 --> 01:57:13,200
Speaker 1: really terrible jokes, considering that he is rapist about whether

2289
01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:16,160
Speaker 1: Jason knows how to have sex. And then the King

2290
01:57:16,280 --> 01:57:20,760
Speaker 1: stands to address everyone and he says, in what is

2291
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:24,640
Speaker 1: the continuing run of Patty Considine's Emmy reel? Here this

2292
01:57:24,760 --> 01:57:29,520
Speaker 1: fucking oh the one. These line readings are just like this,

2293
01:57:29,640 --> 01:57:34,280
Speaker 1: and him walking into the throne room, it's chills inducing stuff,

2294
01:57:34,280 --> 01:57:36,280
Speaker 1: and he says it both gladdens my heart and fills

2295
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:38,920
Speaker 1: me with sorrow to see these faces are on the table.

2296
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:41,040
Speaker 1: The face is most dear to me in all the world,

2297
01:57:41,480 --> 01:57:43,880
Speaker 1: grown so distant from each other, in years pass, and

2298
01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:45,880
Speaker 1: he takes off his mask so everyone can see how

2299
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:48,880
Speaker 1: how mangled his face is in the years passed, and

2300
01:57:48,920 --> 01:57:52,520
Speaker 1: he says that he wants his family to see him

2301
01:57:52,600 --> 01:57:57,160
Speaker 1: as he actually is, as not just their king, as

2302
01:57:57,160 --> 01:58:01,480
Speaker 1: their father, their brother, their husband, their grandsire who may

2303
01:58:01,520 --> 01:58:04,360
Speaker 1: not walk so much longer among you. And then he

2304
01:58:04,720 --> 01:58:08,600
Speaker 1: begs them to set aside all of their grievances, if

2305
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:11,760
Speaker 1: not for the realm, just for him, for his sake,

2306
01:58:12,600 --> 01:58:19,640
Speaker 1: and then a just incredible bravery by Rania. She rises.

2307
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:21,960
Speaker 1: It's clearly a very, very hard thing for her to do,

2308
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:25,520
Speaker 1: but she makes a wonderful and generous toast to Allison, saying,

2309
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, I love my father, but I must admit

2310
01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:30,200
Speaker 1: that no one has stood more loyally by his side

2311
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:33,560
Speaker 1: than his good wife. For that, she has my gratitude

2312
01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:39,280
Speaker 1: and my apology. And Allison returns the apology, and it

2313
01:58:39,400 --> 01:58:41,440
Speaker 1: you begin to feel it like, oh my god, they're

2314
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:45,320
Speaker 1: going to patch things up. Otto looks fucking sick, he's kissed,

2315
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:47,880
Speaker 1: he's well, you can just see.

2316
01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:49,880
Speaker 2: It's so I feel like this is just one of

2317
01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:53,240
Speaker 2: those I understand, like everyone thought that this part of

2318
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:55,720
Speaker 2: the show was what the whole first season would be.

2319
01:58:56,160 --> 01:58:59,760
Speaker 2: But this establishes why the sort of prelude episodes were

2320
01:58:59,800 --> 01:59:03,120
Speaker 2: so important, because in that moment, you could have thought

2321
01:59:03,120 --> 01:59:05,880
Speaker 2: that Rianiera was being shady to Alison because of her

2322
01:59:05,920 --> 01:59:08,280
Speaker 2: suspicions about her dad and the milk of the poppy,

2323
01:59:08,440 --> 01:59:11,560
Speaker 2: but actually she is really saying that to Allison, and

2324
01:59:11,600 --> 01:59:15,680
Speaker 2: she is really looking at her rotting father and being like, Wow,

2325
01:59:15,800 --> 01:59:18,080
Speaker 2: this is a young woman who was my friend, who

2326
01:59:18,120 --> 01:59:20,480
Speaker 2: has stood by my dad, who has actually made sure

2327
01:59:20,520 --> 01:59:24,400
Speaker 2: he's okay, who has bathed his wounds. I'm remembering why

2328
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:27,120
Speaker 2: I loved this person. And you can see that Alison

2329
01:59:27,240 --> 01:59:28,240
Speaker 2: in that moment is.

2330
01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:30,960
Speaker 1: So huge true.

2331
01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:34,640
Speaker 2: She's truly moved and she's eager to take that tiny

2332
01:59:34,680 --> 01:59:37,480
Speaker 2: bit of warmth and try and make that connection. And

2333
01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:39,640
Speaker 2: that would mean nothing if we didn't know how close

2334
01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:42,520
Speaker 2: they were before. You can see there is a warming

2335
01:59:43,400 --> 01:59:47,000
Speaker 2: out of that cold core that had kind of happened

2336
01:59:47,040 --> 01:59:49,760
Speaker 2: between them. And Yeah, I always pissed because he realizes

2337
01:59:49,840 --> 01:59:52,680
Speaker 2: like if those two are together, that he's got a problem.

2338
01:59:53,960 --> 01:59:58,200
Speaker 1: Uh. Eggon continues to kind of like troll Jase and

2339
01:59:58,320 --> 02:00:01,520
Speaker 1: really toxic ways, and then j he almost explodes, but

2340
02:00:01,560 --> 02:00:04,839
Speaker 1: then he saves it. By making a toast another wonderful

2341
02:00:04,840 --> 02:00:09,280
Speaker 1: toast by saying, you know, I'm toasting to my uncle's

2342
02:00:09,680 --> 02:00:11,880
Speaker 1: Prince Eggon and Prince amond as men. I hope that

2343
02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:14,560
Speaker 1: we can yet be friends and allies. You toast to

2344
02:00:14,600 --> 02:00:17,760
Speaker 1: their good health. Then Helena makes a toast toasts Balaen

2345
02:00:17,840 --> 02:00:21,000
Speaker 1: Raina regarding their coming marriage and says she says, it

2346
02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:24,080
Speaker 1: isn't so bad. Mostly he just ignores you, except sometime

2347
02:00:24,120 --> 02:00:26,160
Speaker 1: when he's drunk. And there's like laughter here, but is

2348
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:27,200
Speaker 1: horror for everyone.

2349
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:30,280
Speaker 2: You see the visaras and Allison's faces are like, oh shit,

2350
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:31,160
Speaker 2: like okay.

2351
02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:35,000
Speaker 1: There's laughter. There's laughter in the room like some whoever

2352
02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:38,080
Speaker 1: it was, I couldn't recognize the laughter. But people are like, hah, Elena,

2353
02:00:38,160 --> 02:00:41,760
Speaker 1: what a weirdo. But this that's knowing what we know

2354
02:00:41,800 --> 02:00:47,040
Speaker 1: about it, that's horrendous. That's horrendous. And the King is like, okay,

2355
02:00:47,080 --> 02:00:50,280
Speaker 1: that's enough, let's get the music going, and the musicians

2356
02:00:50,280 --> 02:00:54,040
Speaker 1: come in. We get this wonderful like little montage where

2357
02:00:54,240 --> 02:00:57,200
Speaker 1: you've never seen these people happy. It's like Auto is

2358
02:00:57,360 --> 02:01:01,600
Speaker 1: smiling and clapping and everybody is serving each other and

2359
02:01:01,640 --> 02:01:04,360
Speaker 1: it looks like, oh my god, like this fucked up,

2360
02:01:04,680 --> 02:01:10,200
Speaker 1: extended family might put things together. Then finally the king

2361
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:14,040
Speaker 1: is overcome by all of this. This is all he's

2362
02:01:14,040 --> 02:01:17,840
Speaker 1: ever wanted for all these years, is this family around him,

2363
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:21,520
Speaker 1: and he you know, you recall how he lost Emma

2364
02:01:21,600 --> 02:01:25,040
Speaker 1: in this terrible pursuit of family, and now that family

2365
02:01:25,120 --> 02:01:28,000
Speaker 1: is here and it seems to be like reuniting for once,

2366
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:30,240
Speaker 1: and he needs to be carried back to his room.

2367
02:01:31,120 --> 02:01:34,280
Speaker 1: Then things start to take a turn. There's a pig

2368
02:01:35,040 --> 02:01:38,360
Speaker 1: set in front of Prince Amond and Luke snickers, of course,

2369
02:01:38,400 --> 02:01:41,960
Speaker 1: and this is the memory of the of the pink dread,

2370
02:01:42,040 --> 02:01:46,320
Speaker 1: that prank pulled by Eggon. Eggon masterminded it all those

2371
02:01:46,360 --> 02:01:52,400
Speaker 1: years ago in the dragon pit. And Aimond makes a

2372
02:01:52,440 --> 02:01:54,480
Speaker 1: toast of his own. He's a final tribute to the

2373
02:01:54,480 --> 02:01:57,640
Speaker 1: health of my nephew, Jay s Luken, Joffrey, each of

2374
02:01:57,680 --> 02:02:02,400
Speaker 1: the handsome, each of them handsome wise and you can

2375
02:02:02,440 --> 02:02:03,800
Speaker 1: like feel it coming.

2376
02:02:03,600 --> 02:02:09,320
Speaker 6: Yeah and strong Alison issues drain our cups to these

2377
02:02:10,120 --> 02:02:13,640
Speaker 6: three strong boys and it's just like oh shit.

2378
02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:17,320
Speaker 1: Jace loses it and Amon is like, what, I'm just

2379
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:19,640
Speaker 1: toasted to like your health.

2380
02:02:19,600 --> 02:02:21,280
Speaker 5: Just say strong.

2381
02:02:22,920 --> 02:02:24,520
Speaker 1: Does being so crazy?

2382
02:02:25,120 --> 02:02:27,600
Speaker 2: Alison is like so mad because she knows.

2383
02:02:28,080 --> 02:02:29,480
Speaker 5: She's like, why would you say this in front of

2384
02:02:29,480 --> 02:02:29,920
Speaker 5: these people?

2385
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:30,800
Speaker 2: Like you?

2386
02:02:31,560 --> 02:02:31,840
Speaker 5: What?

2387
02:02:31,840 --> 02:02:32,000
Speaker 3: What?

2388
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:37,440
Speaker 1: What? Jace flips out. He he punches Amon in the face,

2389
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:42,480
Speaker 1: and I think, terrifyingly for Jace, Luke and Joffrey, Amon

2390
02:02:42,560 --> 02:02:45,480
Speaker 1: eats it. There's no it does not He just just

2391
02:02:45,560 --> 02:02:49,080
Speaker 1: absorbs it, no problem and aimed. Even the way he

2392
02:02:49,480 --> 02:02:52,600
Speaker 1: when he realizes that that's all that Jace has, he

2393
02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:56,000
Speaker 1: like smiles, He's like, oh good, Yeah, that's all you got. Great.

2394
02:02:56,200 --> 02:02:58,800
Speaker 1: They break it up. It gets broken up. Damon goes

2395
02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:01,680
Speaker 1: to settle his step sons down and he looks at

2396
02:03:01,720 --> 02:03:05,160
Speaker 1: Aimoned another moment here with some respect, like, Okay, I

2397
02:03:05,200 --> 02:03:07,560
Speaker 1: see what you're doing. One of these days again, you

2398
02:03:07,600 --> 02:03:09,240
Speaker 1: and I are going to have to like work this out.

2399
02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:12,360
Speaker 2: It's big, like hound mountain energy. I feel like it's

2400
02:03:12,400 --> 02:03:14,880
Speaker 2: kind of like it's gonna be this epic family fight.

2401
02:03:15,120 --> 02:03:18,560
Speaker 2: But it's really weird because Aimond also, he is in

2402
02:03:18,600 --> 02:03:21,000
Speaker 2: a very weird place when we meet him this episode.

2403
02:03:21,040 --> 02:03:24,160
Speaker 2: He's just like an evil warrior or something like. We

2404
02:03:24,200 --> 02:03:26,600
Speaker 2: don't really know much about how he feels about the

2405
02:03:26,640 --> 02:03:28,760
Speaker 2: Crown or his place in the family. So this thing

2406
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:32,080
Speaker 2: with Damon is really interesting because it's like a mutual

2407
02:03:32,120 --> 02:03:35,240
Speaker 2: respect and a mutual beef that is eventually going to

2408
02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:38,440
Speaker 2: come out. But we also he also seems to enjoy

2409
02:03:38,600 --> 02:03:41,600
Speaker 2: just any fuckeries that's going on, even if it affects

2410
02:03:41,600 --> 02:03:44,240
Speaker 2: his own family. He's got that kind of bit of

2411
02:03:44,440 --> 02:03:46,720
Speaker 2: chaotic Damon nature to him.

2412
02:03:46,920 --> 02:03:49,640
Speaker 1: He wants a fight, just like Damon does. Damon. They

2413
02:03:50,040 --> 02:03:52,320
Speaker 1: want to fight. They want to do it. It may

2414
02:03:52,360 --> 02:03:54,120
Speaker 1: not be the right time to do it, but they

2415
02:03:54,160 --> 02:03:54,480
Speaker 1: want it.

2416
02:03:54,600 --> 02:03:56,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, second son energy, as source.

2417
02:03:56,800 --> 02:04:01,960
Speaker 1: Says, Yeah, absolutely. So there's some warm goodbyes here. Renia

2418
02:04:02,120 --> 02:04:04,760
Speaker 1: is saying this, I'm gonna take my boys back to Dragonstone,

2419
02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:09,520
Speaker 1: but I promised to return quote on dragonback, and scarily

2420
02:04:10,240 --> 02:04:12,880
Speaker 1: I think that she will keep that promise, but in

2421
02:04:12,880 --> 02:04:13,800
Speaker 1: a bad way. Yeah.

2422
02:04:14,040 --> 02:04:16,879
Speaker 2: And at this point, by the way, Allison is holding

2423
02:04:16,920 --> 02:04:20,240
Speaker 2: her wrist and like stroking up and down her wrist

2424
02:04:20,360 --> 02:04:22,240
Speaker 2: with her fingers, which they used to do when they

2425
02:04:22,280 --> 02:04:26,440
Speaker 2: would lay together. There is holy to messy, and they

2426
02:04:26,560 --> 02:04:29,400
Speaker 2: got this to work out so much.

2427
02:04:30,840 --> 02:04:36,720
Speaker 1: Elsewhere, Missaria, remember Massaria, She is welcoming the queen's handmaiden

2428
02:04:36,760 --> 02:04:39,280
Speaker 1: who is in the room. When the queen was talking

2429
02:04:39,320 --> 02:04:43,080
Speaker 1: to Diana and Missaria is like, so, there's a lot

2430
02:04:43,120 --> 02:04:45,160
Speaker 1: of stuff been going on in the castle today, and

2431
02:04:45,200 --> 02:04:47,080
Speaker 1: it's clear that Missaria is very up to date and

2432
02:04:47,120 --> 02:04:50,000
Speaker 1: everything that's been happening in there. Later, Allison goes to

2433
02:04:50,040 --> 02:04:53,120
Speaker 1: see the King. It is late Visarah's is in the

2434
02:04:53,200 --> 02:04:55,640
Speaker 1: throes of some painful dream. She's giving him milk of

2435
02:04:55,680 --> 02:04:57,880
Speaker 1: the poppy and he's apologizing to her, but it's clear

2436
02:04:57,920 --> 02:05:00,960
Speaker 1: that he thinks he's still talking to Rania and he's

2437
02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:03,280
Speaker 1: talking about the dream, which he only he would share.

2438
02:05:03,360 --> 02:05:05,760
Speaker 1: He would share only with Raniera as his heir. He

2439
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:07,960
Speaker 1: would never share this with Alison because.

2440
02:05:07,720 --> 02:05:10,800
Speaker 2: He said something that he said earlier when he sees Ranera,

2441
02:05:10,840 --> 02:05:14,600
Speaker 2: which is very interesting for not only the conspiracy theory

2442
02:05:14,640 --> 02:05:17,240
Speaker 2: fans who believe that Alison and Kristen may have been

2443
02:05:17,720 --> 02:05:20,720
Speaker 2: enjoying each other's company in the past, but he said

2444
02:05:20,800 --> 02:05:26,040
Speaker 2: also for this moment. He says to Raniera, my only child. Yeah,

2445
02:05:26,080 --> 02:05:28,240
Speaker 2: that's how he sees her at this point. It doesn't

2446
02:05:28,280 --> 02:05:31,080
Speaker 2: matter whether the children are his biologically or not. In

2447
02:05:31,120 --> 02:05:33,680
Speaker 2: his adult state, she is the only air. She is

2448
02:05:33,680 --> 02:05:37,600
Speaker 2: the only child. He would never tell this to Allison because,

2449
02:05:37,800 --> 02:05:40,400
Speaker 2: as she says multiple times, I don't know what you're

2450
02:05:40,400 --> 02:05:42,440
Speaker 2: talking about I don't understand my king.

2451
02:05:43,200 --> 02:05:46,920
Speaker 1: And he he mentions the Eggon dream about the and

2452
02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:49,520
Speaker 1: the dream that he had that he would have a

2453
02:05:49,560 --> 02:05:52,360
Speaker 1: son named Eggon. But also it's it's all tied together

2454
02:05:52,440 --> 02:05:55,760
Speaker 1: with Eggon's original dream about the prince who has promised,

2455
02:05:55,800 --> 02:06:00,720
Speaker 1: and very very clearly Allison misunderstands and thinks he is

2456
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:04,320
Speaker 1: talking about their son Eggon, which, by the way, Allison,

2457
02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:07,120
Speaker 1: there's two eggs, like there's two right now.

2458
02:06:08,840 --> 02:06:12,920
Speaker 2: Egg And also I'm like, this is a woman who

2459
02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:15,960
Speaker 2: was very invested in reading the histories and reading the past.

2460
02:06:16,080 --> 02:06:18,320
Speaker 2: So I feel like she made a miss. She's being

2461
02:06:18,360 --> 02:06:22,920
Speaker 2: wilfully it's ignorant. But this and the worst thing is

2462
02:06:23,160 --> 02:06:27,160
Speaker 2: because earlier Raniera said to him, she said, is it me? Like?

2463
02:06:27,320 --> 02:06:29,280
Speaker 2: Am I the one to do this? So he says

2464
02:06:29,280 --> 02:06:32,720
Speaker 2: to Alison, it is you. You must unite the realms,

2465
02:06:33,080 --> 02:06:35,640
Speaker 2: and Alison thinks that she has to do that by

2466
02:06:35,640 --> 02:06:38,720
Speaker 2: putting her rapist son on the throne.

2467
02:06:39,440 --> 02:06:42,760
Speaker 1: And then of course later that night all alone, who

2468
02:06:42,880 --> 02:06:47,360
Speaker 1: the king dies? Let me just say what? Knowing why

2469
02:06:47,440 --> 02:06:51,040
Speaker 1: is the king alone for any period is crazy to me.

2470
02:06:51,240 --> 02:06:54,200
Speaker 1: I think he's he's on his last legs. Every second

2471
02:06:54,200 --> 02:06:55,640
Speaker 1: of every day, could die any minute.

2472
02:06:55,640 --> 02:06:57,800
Speaker 2: Also, like anyone could kill him, you know what I mean,

2473
02:06:57,840 --> 02:07:00,120
Speaker 2: Like they don't need to you could just die. You

2474
02:07:00,120 --> 02:07:02,160
Speaker 2: could literally just like put your hand over his nose,

2475
02:07:02,240 --> 02:07:03,480
Speaker 2: like they could do many Game of.

2476
02:07:03,440 --> 02:07:05,480
Speaker 1: Thrines' deaths, like where is the King's going?

2477
02:07:05,480 --> 02:07:09,040
Speaker 2: Where's the King's God? Also, I understand that Allison is

2478
02:07:09,080 --> 02:07:12,760
Speaker 2: like horrified by what she thinks she's learned, but she

2479
02:07:12,800 --> 02:07:15,720
Speaker 2: has always been very loving to him and kind, and

2480
02:07:15,800 --> 02:07:18,040
Speaker 2: I found it very odd. I guess the assumption is

2481
02:07:18,120 --> 02:07:20,240
Speaker 2: she didn't think he would die in that moment. He's

2482
02:07:20,360 --> 02:07:25,080
Speaker 2: lasted so long. But what this episode gets so perfectly

2483
02:07:25,640 --> 02:07:27,240
Speaker 2: is for a lot of people when they're ill for

2484
02:07:27,280 --> 02:07:30,200
Speaker 2: a very long time, they're really holding on for one thing,

2485
02:07:30,680 --> 02:07:33,840
Speaker 2: to see, one thing, to experience, one thing, to see

2486
02:07:33,880 --> 02:07:36,840
Speaker 2: one person. And he got the thing that he had

2487
02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:39,040
Speaker 2: longed for his whole life, which was to see his

2488
02:07:39,120 --> 02:07:43,000
Speaker 2: family together, and not only that, but to make the

2489
02:07:43,080 --> 02:07:45,680
Speaker 2: mistakes of the past right, which he feels like he did.

2490
02:07:45,720 --> 02:07:51,120
Speaker 2: As far as he knows. The family was laughing, dancing, connected.

2491
02:07:51,160 --> 02:07:54,040
Speaker 2: He doesn't know that once he left, that kind of

2492
02:07:54,040 --> 02:07:58,560
Speaker 2: fell apart, and he thinks he's just told Rinier the

2493
02:07:58,640 --> 02:08:02,040
Speaker 2: final truth that he needs to tell. It's well, it's

2494
02:08:02,120 --> 02:08:06,040
Speaker 2: so heartbreaking and you just really you just know, you know.

2495
02:08:06,080 --> 02:08:09,600
Speaker 2: I always remember I used to watch Game of Thrones

2496
02:08:09,640 --> 02:08:12,320
Speaker 2: with one of my best friends, Alex, and the episode

2497
02:08:12,880 --> 02:08:18,960
Speaker 2: where you know, Alfie Allen's character he gets yeah theon

2498
02:08:19,240 --> 02:08:22,840
Speaker 2: gets rescued by Ramsey Bolton and he's like, oh, you know,

2499
02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:25,920
Speaker 2: your sister said she's sent me the fake rescue right

2500
02:08:25,960 --> 02:08:28,920
Speaker 2: before he puts him in the in the case. I

2501
02:08:28,960 --> 02:08:30,960
Speaker 2: always remember she was like, you know, the only thing

2502
02:08:31,000 --> 02:08:33,880
Speaker 2: worse than fear is hope, And I always think about that.

2503
02:08:33,880 --> 02:08:35,720
Speaker 2: That's what my friend Alex said about it at like

2504
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:37,520
Speaker 2: two in the morning when we were watching it. And

2505
02:08:37,560 --> 02:08:39,360
Speaker 2: I always think about that with Game of Thrones because

2506
02:08:39,360 --> 02:08:42,320
Speaker 2: they do it so well, like they give you this warm,

2507
02:08:43,640 --> 02:08:47,680
Speaker 2: brilliant moment that then makes that final reveal about the

2508
02:08:47,720 --> 02:08:53,040
Speaker 2: prophecy and Allison's misunderstanding of it so heartbreaking because you've

2509
02:08:53,080 --> 02:08:56,440
Speaker 2: just seen the possibility of reconnection, of a better, more

2510
02:08:56,520 --> 02:08:59,840
Speaker 2: peaceful kind of future for this family and then you

2511
02:08:59,880 --> 02:09:01,000
Speaker 2: know it's just all gone.

2512
02:09:01,200 --> 02:09:05,280
Speaker 1: Yeah uh, this is just in a heartbreaking episode, an

2513
02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:10,440
Speaker 1: incredible episode, and yeah again chills and cheers for Patty

2514
02:09:10,440 --> 02:09:17,040
Speaker 1: Considine taken and brought a character who again is just

2515
02:09:17,160 --> 02:09:21,560
Speaker 1: kind of a very cut and dried weak ruler, not

2516
02:09:21,640 --> 02:09:23,760
Speaker 1: a lot of meat on that bone, and put a

2517
02:09:23,800 --> 02:09:28,360
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of heart and will and breath into this character.

2518
02:09:28,520 --> 02:09:32,720
Speaker 1: Is beautiful. Okay, up next we answer your questions in

2519
02:09:33,200 --> 02:09:35,640
Speaker 1: Ask the Master. It's some more House of the Dragon action.

2520
02:09:38,440 --> 02:09:42,160
Speaker 1: Dragons have arrived on HBO Max. Have y'all heard about this?

2521
02:09:43,280 --> 02:09:45,640
Speaker 1: The new HBO original series House of the Dragon's a

2522
02:09:45,680 --> 02:09:48,000
Speaker 1: prequel set two hundred years before the events gave it throws?

2523
02:09:48,200 --> 02:09:51,680
Speaker 1: Did you know about this? Have y'all heard Rosie? Have

2524
02:09:51,680 --> 02:09:52,240
Speaker 1: you heard about this?

2525
02:09:53,360 --> 02:09:53,720
Speaker 5: Dragons?

2526
02:09:54,320 --> 02:09:56,800
Speaker 1: Have you heard about this? House of the Dragon tells

2527
02:09:56,840 --> 02:09:58,600
Speaker 1: the story of how Stark Aaron locked in an epic

2528
02:09:58,600 --> 02:10:00,879
Speaker 1: battle for the Iron Throne and power of the Seven Kingdoms.

2529
02:10:00,880 --> 02:10:03,880
Speaker 1: The epic series promises more drama and betrayal than ever.

2530
02:10:04,480 --> 02:10:06,760
Speaker 1: Listen to the official Game of Thrones podcast House of

2531
02:10:06,800 --> 02:10:10,760
Speaker 1: the Dragon, hosted by myself and Nerdette Greta Johnson on

2532
02:10:10,880 --> 02:10:13,640
Speaker 1: HBO Max, the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

2533
02:10:13,640 --> 02:10:16,040
Speaker 1: And to celebrate, we returned to the Citadel to answer

2534
02:10:16,040 --> 02:10:17,120
Speaker 1: your questions and here we.

2535
02:10:17,080 --> 02:10:20,920
Speaker 2: Go, Wow, I can't believe I'm here with the official

2536
02:10:21,000 --> 02:10:24,920
Speaker 2: House the Dragon co host Jason Concepcia, and to ask

2537
02:10:24,960 --> 02:10:26,960
Speaker 2: these questions.

2538
02:10:26,640 --> 02:10:28,680
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Have you heard about this House of

2539
02:10:28,720 --> 02:10:29,440
Speaker 1: the Dragon show?

2540
02:10:29,520 --> 02:10:30,400
Speaker 5: Have you heard about it?

2541
02:10:30,440 --> 02:10:31,760
Speaker 2: I don't know if did we just talk about it?

2542
02:10:31,760 --> 02:10:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm not sure?

2543
02:10:33,280 --> 02:10:35,720
Speaker 2: So Holly asks, and this is something that I think

2544
02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:37,840
Speaker 2: has been like a recurring thread that people are really

2545
02:10:37,840 --> 02:10:41,400
Speaker 2: interested in throughout the season. I was wondering about the North.

2546
02:10:41,920 --> 02:10:44,600
Speaker 2: Has the Wall been built at this time? Is the

2547
02:10:44,720 --> 02:10:47,680
Speaker 2: night Watch bett off than it is in Game of Thrones?

2548
02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, we answered this question. I think it was last

2549
02:10:51,640 --> 02:10:56,800
Speaker 1: week or the week before. Yes, the Night's Watch is around.

2550
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Speaker 1: It was founded thousands and thousands of years ago during

2551
02:11:01,520 --> 02:11:05,840
Speaker 1: the legendary apocalypse known as the Long Night, which is

2552
02:11:05,880 --> 02:11:10,160
Speaker 1: the first kind of appearance of the White Walker threat.

2553
02:11:10,600 --> 02:11:15,040
Speaker 1: They helped beat back that threat, and ever since then

2554
02:11:15,800 --> 02:11:19,200
Speaker 1: they've their prestige and their importance has kind of like

2555
02:11:19,280 --> 02:11:23,120
Speaker 1: steadily been fading. But certainly by this time, nearly two

2556
02:11:23,160 --> 02:11:25,360
Speaker 1: hundred years before the events of Game of Thrones, they

2557
02:11:25,360 --> 02:11:27,800
Speaker 1: are in a better place than when we find them.

2558
02:11:28,320 --> 02:11:31,320
Speaker 1: You know, when John first goes up to Castle Black,

2559
02:11:31,680 --> 02:11:36,280
Speaker 1: Now the North in general is currently under the stewardship

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02:11:36,440 --> 02:11:39,480
Speaker 1: of young Lord craigin Stark, who's about the same age

2561
02:11:39,560 --> 02:11:43,160
Speaker 1: as Jason Valarian. Would be fun. Fact, here's a thing.

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02:11:43,240 --> 02:11:45,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is what production is doing,

2563
02:11:45,440 --> 02:11:49,040
Speaker 1: but I just want to note it. Note the way

2564
02:11:49,160 --> 02:11:53,040
Speaker 1: that kings landing other places in the South that we've

2565
02:11:53,080 --> 02:11:57,400
Speaker 1: seen are shot compared to the way kings landing in

2566
02:11:57,600 --> 02:11:59,480
Speaker 1: like seasons one, two, three of Game of Thrones, a

2567
02:11:59,480 --> 02:12:01,840
Speaker 1: shot where it's like you feel the heat, you see

2568
02:12:01,880 --> 02:12:05,120
Speaker 1: palm trees. Everybody's in those kind of flossy, you know,

2569
02:12:05,200 --> 02:12:09,480
Speaker 1: summary dresses, and the men al though they're very kind

2570
02:12:09,480 --> 02:12:11,800
Speaker 1: of buttoned up that you see sweat on their faces.

2571
02:12:12,360 --> 02:12:18,680
Speaker 1: Kings landing in certainly since the last time jump is gray,

2572
02:12:19,280 --> 02:12:24,160
Speaker 1: everybody's in woolen stuff. Allison is wearing heavy kind of

2573
02:12:24,240 --> 02:12:30,720
Speaker 1: like doublets. All the ladies too. It is autumn, and

2574
02:12:30,760 --> 02:12:33,960
Speaker 1: what happens after autumn winter, and what happens in winter

2575
02:12:34,120 --> 02:12:37,400
Speaker 1: in the North is one winter falls heaviest on the

2576
02:12:37,520 --> 02:12:40,400
Speaker 1: lands of the North, but it's also a time when

2577
02:12:40,760 --> 02:12:44,200
Speaker 1: the North this is the thing that they prepare for

2578
02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:49,120
Speaker 1: all the time, and when winter comes and there's extra

2579
02:12:49,200 --> 02:12:53,920
Speaker 1: mouths to feed. That is a very dangerous time, and

2580
02:12:54,000 --> 02:12:57,520
Speaker 1: it's a time when fighting men of the North look

2581
02:12:57,640 --> 02:13:01,480
Speaker 1: for fights because they know that they can't be fed

2582
02:13:01,960 --> 02:13:04,200
Speaker 1: in the North, and so they will go anywhere where

2583
02:13:04,200 --> 02:13:08,720
Speaker 1: there's a fight, not expecting to return. So winter is coming,

2584
02:13:09,000 --> 02:13:13,040
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying, and that will impact the way

2585
02:13:14,040 --> 02:13:19,440
Speaker 1: events in the future game out. I think Dan asks.

2586
02:13:19,120 --> 02:13:22,160
Speaker 2: After Wyman gets killed, we see the silent sister working

2587
02:13:22,240 --> 02:13:25,000
Speaker 2: on his corpse. Isn't this the faith of the Seven right?

2588
02:13:25,480 --> 02:13:28,400
Speaker 2: Don't the Valerians practice their own religion similar to the

2589
02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:30,640
Speaker 2: drowned gods? Does any of this matter?

2590
02:13:32,040 --> 02:13:35,760
Speaker 1: The Valerians don't practice a unique religion as far as

2591
02:13:35,760 --> 02:13:40,440
Speaker 1: we know. They do have like very specific house and

2592
02:13:40,600 --> 02:13:46,160
Speaker 1: family lore, which is not uncommon in this world. So

2593
02:13:46,720 --> 02:13:49,200
Speaker 1: the throne that we see Corlists sit on, that we

2594
02:13:49,240 --> 02:13:52,680
Speaker 1: saw Renie sit on in this episode is called the

2595
02:13:52,760 --> 02:13:59,160
Speaker 1: Driftwood throne. The legend is that the Merlin King, who

2596
02:13:59,240 --> 02:14:01,840
Speaker 1: you can think of as like Neptune of the Narrow Sea,

2597
02:14:02,440 --> 02:14:07,760
Speaker 1: this probably legendary deity that resides beneath the waves there,

2598
02:14:08,320 --> 02:14:14,720
Speaker 1: gifted it to the Valerian family as like basically to

2599
02:14:14,800 --> 02:14:17,400
Speaker 1: seal a kind of truth Is that true? Is it

2600
02:14:17,440 --> 02:14:19,880
Speaker 1: not true? We don't know. But there's other families have

2601
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:26,520
Speaker 1: this kind of like self mythologizing aspect to them. The Mormonts,

2602
02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:31,680
Speaker 1: for instance, say that the Starks, who gave them Bear Island,

2603
02:14:32,480 --> 02:14:36,280
Speaker 1: acquired Bear Island in a wrestling match between the Lord

2604
02:14:36,360 --> 02:14:38,440
Speaker 1: Stark at the time and whoever the lord of the

2605
02:14:38,480 --> 02:14:42,400
Speaker 1: Ironborn was at the time. The iron Born, as you mentioned,

2606
02:14:43,320 --> 02:14:46,640
Speaker 1: worship a distinctive deity that drowned God. Their stories also

2607
02:14:46,680 --> 02:14:49,640
Speaker 1: say that the iron Born came from creatures that dwelled

2608
02:14:49,680 --> 02:14:51,200
Speaker 1: under the sea. So there's all these kind of like

2609
02:14:51,280 --> 02:14:56,760
Speaker 1: legendary tales about how families came to be. This leads

2610
02:14:56,840 --> 02:14:58,760
Speaker 1: us to a question from Elise.

2611
02:14:59,200 --> 02:15:02,720
Speaker 2: At least, aus were there any deities or spiritual belief

2612
02:15:02,760 --> 02:15:06,760
Speaker 2: systems practiced by dragon writing families like the Targarians before

2613
02:15:06,800 --> 02:15:07,920
Speaker 2: the Doom.

2614
02:15:08,200 --> 02:15:11,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw when Damon and Rainier were married that

2615
02:15:11,200 --> 02:15:14,400
Speaker 1: clearly they were married under a Valerian rite and clearly

2616
02:15:14,400 --> 02:15:17,080
Speaker 1: of a dragon writing Valerian right, because it was all

2617
02:15:17,120 --> 02:15:19,360
Speaker 1: about the mingling of the blood. And we understand that

2618
02:15:19,360 --> 02:15:26,000
Speaker 1: the Targarians specifically are so protective of their bloodline because

2619
02:15:26,040 --> 02:15:31,280
Speaker 1: their bloodline bestows the ability to bond with and ride dragons,

2620
02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:35,480
Speaker 1: which is basically like having the keys to the nuclear bombs,

2621
02:15:35,720 --> 02:15:38,240
Speaker 1: you know, like, so they guard that very very jealously.

2622
02:15:38,840 --> 02:15:42,200
Speaker 1: And we don't know a tremendous amount of the religion

2623
02:15:42,480 --> 02:15:45,000
Speaker 1: of old Valaria, but we know that it was polytheistic.

2624
02:15:45,080 --> 02:15:48,680
Speaker 1: It was clearly modeled after like the Greek and Roman

2625
02:15:48,720 --> 02:15:53,000
Speaker 1: traditions of our real world, with various gods who controlled

2626
02:15:53,080 --> 02:15:58,400
Speaker 1: various things. And we know that most of the Targarian

2627
02:15:58,480 --> 02:16:02,240
Speaker 1: dragons are named after Vala in God's Syrax, Karaxis, Vallarian

2628
02:16:02,320 --> 02:16:04,400
Speaker 1: and so on. These are these are the names of

2629
02:16:04,480 --> 02:16:09,440
Speaker 1: Targarian gods. Now, we don't know when the Valarians converted

2630
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:13,120
Speaker 1: to the faith, but they surely did, just as the

2631
02:16:13,160 --> 02:16:15,640
Speaker 1: Targarians did egg On the Conqueror, you know, in the

2632
02:16:15,680 --> 02:16:18,880
Speaker 1: midst of his conquering, when he was basically as part

2633
02:16:18,920 --> 02:16:23,480
Speaker 1: of his victory, was anointed as a member and adherent

2634
02:16:23,560 --> 02:16:26,280
Speaker 1: to the faith of the Seven. But we should also

2635
02:16:26,360 --> 02:16:31,680
Speaker 1: understand that this conversion was likely not anything to do

2636
02:16:31,760 --> 02:16:34,160
Speaker 1: with any kind of like real religious feeling. It just

2637
02:16:34,200 --> 02:16:37,400
Speaker 1: made things easier. It was just easier to be accepted

2638
02:16:37,400 --> 02:16:41,120
Speaker 1: into West Rosi society if you accepted their religion. If

2639
02:16:41,160 --> 02:16:43,400
Speaker 1: they felt like you were part of that, then they

2640
02:16:43,480 --> 02:16:47,879
Speaker 1: you know that that just smooths things along, both economically, culturally,

2641
02:16:47,920 --> 02:16:54,000
Speaker 1: and societally. So the Valarians surely our adherence to the faith,

2642
02:16:54,480 --> 02:16:57,240
Speaker 1: but we shouldn't because of that, We shouldn't kind of

2643
02:16:57,280 --> 02:17:01,879
Speaker 1: like assume that there's any kind of like deep religious

2644
02:17:01,959 --> 02:17:05,920
Speaker 1: feeling about that particular belief system just because that they

2645
02:17:05,959 --> 02:17:07,760
Speaker 1: publicly support the faith.

2646
02:17:08,600 --> 02:17:13,200
Speaker 2: Matthew asks. Watching Visarah's decay over the past decade plus

2647
02:17:13,200 --> 02:17:15,959
Speaker 2: makes me wonder if there's any precedent for a living

2648
02:17:16,160 --> 02:17:18,080
Speaker 2: king to abdicate the throne.

2649
02:17:20,400 --> 02:17:24,920
Speaker 1: Sort of egg on the fifth is known as egg

2650
02:17:25,000 --> 02:17:28,200
Speaker 1: on the unlikely because he ascended to the throne in

2651
02:17:28,280 --> 02:17:32,880
Speaker 1: kind of a weird, roundabout way. King makar Dot his

2652
02:17:33,040 --> 02:17:35,800
Speaker 1: dad died in two thirty three, and so much like

2653
02:17:36,480 --> 02:17:42,240
Speaker 1: the process that elevated visaras a great council was formed

2654
02:17:42,280 --> 02:17:45,200
Speaker 1: because it was kind of the succession was a little naughty,

2655
02:17:45,280 --> 02:17:48,160
Speaker 1: and so it was thought, Okay, let's get the lords

2656
02:17:48,400 --> 02:17:50,120
Speaker 1: of the realm together and we can all kind of

2657
02:17:50,120 --> 02:17:56,600
Speaker 1: decide which way to go. They selected initially Aim and

2658
02:17:56,720 --> 02:18:01,720
Speaker 1: Targari and the late king's third son. Now make our's

2659
02:18:02,120 --> 02:18:06,039
Speaker 1: firstborn son, Darren, who was going to be the heir,

2660
02:18:06,240 --> 02:18:12,080
Speaker 1: died of apparently an stt and his second son, Arian

2661
02:18:12,120 --> 02:18:17,640
Speaker 1: Bright Flame, was insane and tried to turn himself into

2662
02:18:17,720 --> 02:18:21,400
Speaker 1: a dragon, a super soldier program shit by drinking wildfire

2663
02:18:21,800 --> 02:18:24,120
Speaker 1: and died of that. And it's probably for the best

2664
02:18:24,120 --> 02:18:26,760
Speaker 1: that he never ascended to the throne. And so now

2665
02:18:26,760 --> 02:18:29,680
Speaker 1: we come to aim and now Aimond, who we would

2666
02:18:29,680 --> 02:18:32,840
Speaker 1: meet in Game of Thrones as the very very very

2667
02:18:32,879 --> 02:18:36,680
Speaker 1: ancient master aimed up at the Castle Black at the Wall.

2668
02:18:37,240 --> 02:18:41,040
Speaker 1: He was by this time a fully chained and trained master,

2669
02:18:41,320 --> 02:18:44,240
Speaker 1: but that wasn't too much of an obstacle, Like the

2670
02:18:44,280 --> 02:18:47,960
Speaker 1: thought was, oh, we can get his vows renounced and

2671
02:18:48,000 --> 02:18:51,400
Speaker 1: it'll be fine, and maybe it'll actually be actually kind

2672
02:18:51,400 --> 02:18:55,160
Speaker 1: of cool because we'll have this very very expert king.

2673
02:18:55,640 --> 02:18:59,560
Speaker 1: But Aimon surprised everyone and declined. He was like, I'm

2674
02:18:59,600 --> 02:19:05,160
Speaker 1: not I refuse the crown and I'll take the Black

2675
02:19:05,240 --> 02:19:07,200
Speaker 1: I'll go to the wall. The crown went to his

2676
02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:10,240
Speaker 1: younger brother, the fourth son of makeart Agon, who thus

2677
02:19:10,360 --> 02:19:16,320
Speaker 1: became egg On the unlikely. Now Eggon the realm kind

2678
02:19:16,320 --> 02:19:19,200
Speaker 1: of felt weirdly about Eggon because he had spent his

2679
02:19:19,360 --> 02:19:23,960
Speaker 1: youth running around with this hedge night, Sir Duncan the Tall.

2680
02:19:24,080 --> 02:19:26,800
Speaker 1: You can read about all of their adventures and the

2681
02:19:26,920 --> 02:19:30,600
Speaker 1: Duncan egg novellas by George R. Martin. They are wonderful

2682
02:19:32,440 --> 02:19:35,000
Speaker 1: and it's a wonderful tale of the future king kind

2683
02:19:35,040 --> 02:19:40,720
Speaker 1: of like running around westrus as the squire to this

2684
02:19:40,959 --> 02:19:44,280
Speaker 1: kind of like gritty but very big hearted hedge night

2685
02:19:44,360 --> 02:19:48,360
Speaker 1: named Sir Duncan. So he was not an easy choice,

2686
02:19:48,400 --> 02:19:51,520
Speaker 1: but it eventually went to egg And to take himself

2687
02:19:52,200 --> 02:19:56,560
Speaker 1: like out of the picture, like as a threat to potential,

2688
02:19:57,080 --> 02:20:00,240
Speaker 1: you know, usurpers of the throne. Amon then took the Black.

2689
02:20:00,240 --> 02:20:02,720
Speaker 1: He went to Castle Black, where he became the long, long, long,

2690
02:20:02,760 --> 02:20:06,960
Speaker 1: long running Master of Castle Black. Now we talked about

2691
02:20:07,000 --> 02:20:13,000
Speaker 1: this earlier, but in light love of the Eggon prophecy, right,

2692
02:20:13,000 --> 02:20:17,640
Speaker 1: egg On the Conqueror's Prophecy, this whole thing takes on

2693
02:20:17,720 --> 02:20:23,160
Speaker 1: a very very different kind of look to it because

2694
02:20:24,280 --> 02:20:27,440
Speaker 1: there was a there was a really really bad winter

2695
02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:32,360
Speaker 1: when Eggon ascended, very very serious winter. And you know

2696
02:20:32,520 --> 02:20:36,160
Speaker 1: that if anybody knew about the prophecy, what they would

2697
02:20:36,240 --> 02:20:40,560
Speaker 1: think during a winter like what was happening at the

2698
02:20:40,600 --> 02:20:44,320
Speaker 1: death of King Magar was they'd think, oh shit, this

2699
02:20:44,400 --> 02:20:46,400
Speaker 1: could be it, this is it. This might be the

2700
02:20:46,440 --> 02:20:50,560
Speaker 1: final confrontation between you know, the the White Walkers, and

2701
02:20:50,640 --> 02:20:53,280
Speaker 1: it would be very important that the Targerian's at the

2702
02:20:53,320 --> 02:20:56,480
Speaker 1: throne and this could be it. So all of a sudden,

2703
02:20:56,560 --> 02:20:59,760
Speaker 1: the fact that not only did Amon go to the wall,

2704
02:21:00,080 --> 02:21:05,720
Speaker 1: but we know that uh Targerian bastard uh egg On

2705
02:21:06,160 --> 02:21:13,160
Speaker 1: the fourth bastard uh uh Brendan Rivers aka the three

2706
02:21:13,160 --> 02:21:16,080
Speaker 1: Ied Crow, also decided to go up there. It all

2707
02:21:16,120 --> 02:21:19,240
Speaker 1: feels like some sort of plot that we can barely

2708
02:21:19,600 --> 02:21:25,240
Speaker 1: make out the shape of. Anyway, that's the closest thing

2709
02:21:25,320 --> 02:21:29,119
Speaker 1: that we have to an actual abdication. There's other kind

2710
02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:33,960
Speaker 1: of like smaller houses lords, you know, ge Or Mormont

2711
02:21:34,520 --> 02:21:38,959
Speaker 1: notably because of the shame that his son Jora brought

2712
02:21:39,000 --> 02:21:42,879
Speaker 1: on him and the family. He abdicated and went to

2713
02:21:42,959 --> 02:21:45,200
Speaker 1: the wall willingly because of the shame that his son

2714
02:21:45,240 --> 02:21:47,800
Speaker 1: brought on him. But but this with egg On the

2715
02:21:47,800 --> 02:21:49,640
Speaker 1: fifth is really the closest thing that we've seen.

2716
02:21:49,840 --> 02:21:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really excited, but also yeah, I'm just also

2717
02:21:52,840 --> 02:21:55,840
Speaker 2: see if that happens, if that comes to be a

2718
02:21:55,879 --> 02:21:57,880
Speaker 2: little bit clearer that theory, because it's so good.

2719
02:21:58,520 --> 02:22:03,840
Speaker 1: I I I George, get right in those books, get right.

2720
02:22:04,040 --> 02:22:07,640
Speaker 1: But also like you to the other point in terms

2721
02:22:07,640 --> 02:22:10,200
Speaker 1: of abdication, this is really the role of the hand.

2722
02:22:10,400 --> 02:22:14,199
Speaker 1: The hand speaks with the king's voice. Otto is doing that. Now.

2723
02:22:14,879 --> 02:22:19,879
Speaker 1: This leads us back to we'll talk about this, I'm

2724
02:22:19,879 --> 02:22:23,240
Speaker 1: sure later, But what I think is one of Visa's

2725
02:22:23,480 --> 02:22:27,760
Speaker 1: biggest mistakes is he he didn't name Raniera his hand.

2726
02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:30,959
Speaker 1: He should have done that. He should have named Raniera

2727
02:22:31,040 --> 02:22:36,520
Speaker 1: the hand, so that in his infirmity, the thing which

2728
02:22:36,520 --> 02:22:38,560
Speaker 1: he had always decided was going to happen, which is

2729
02:22:38,560 --> 02:22:44,680
Speaker 1: Renier rules, could happen earlier. Yeah, under the aegis of

2730
02:22:44,760 --> 02:22:46,840
Speaker 1: her being his hand and speaking with his voice. He

2731
02:22:46,879 --> 02:22:48,879
Speaker 1: should have done that. And I guess the reason he

2732
02:22:48,920 --> 02:22:52,640
Speaker 1: didn't was because you know, he was trying to He

2733
02:22:52,760 --> 02:22:55,320
Speaker 1: was trying to support both sides here, the Green and

2734
02:22:55,360 --> 02:22:59,080
Speaker 1: the Black faction. He's like, Okay, Raniera is definitely going

2735
02:22:59,160 --> 02:23:03,040
Speaker 1: to be but also like, I want Alison to feel comfortable,

2736
02:23:03,040 --> 02:23:05,080
Speaker 1: and I want that faction to feel comfortable. So I'll

2737
02:23:05,120 --> 02:23:07,280
Speaker 1: keep Otto his hand of the king because I know

2738
02:23:07,360 --> 02:23:11,039
Speaker 1: that Alison wanted that, and yadayada. It was just a mistake.

2739
02:23:11,280 --> 02:23:13,120
Speaker 1: Raaniera should have been his hand and he should have

2740
02:23:13,720 --> 02:23:15,520
Speaker 1: he should have he should have named her his hand.

2741
02:23:16,000 --> 02:23:19,520
Speaker 2: Okay, very very interested in this next one because as

2742
02:23:19,560 --> 02:23:24,800
Speaker 2: an Allison apologist, so Jamie asks, can Allison remarry?

2743
02:23:25,080 --> 02:23:29,720
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, But this is a patriarchy, the patriarchal society,

2744
02:23:29,840 --> 02:23:37,400
Speaker 1: very unfortunately, and so number one as the queen of

2745
02:23:37,560 --> 02:23:41,160
Speaker 1: the late king and a very important figure with a

2746
02:23:41,600 --> 02:23:47,760
Speaker 1: kind of very important succession decision looming, that any potential

2747
02:23:47,800 --> 02:23:50,360
Speaker 1: marriage would be put would be far in the future.

2748
02:23:50,680 --> 02:23:53,440
Speaker 1: That would the last thing they would want to do

2749
02:23:53,680 --> 02:23:56,560
Speaker 1: is make it seem as if the queen, who is

2750
02:23:56,600 --> 02:23:59,360
Speaker 1: going to play very pivotal role you would imagine in

2751
02:23:59,440 --> 02:24:04,160
Speaker 1: deciding like who the next ruler is, the very last

2752
02:24:04,200 --> 02:24:07,039
Speaker 1: thing that the Greenside wants is some any kind of

2753
02:24:07,840 --> 02:24:11,560
Speaker 1: implication that the queen is ready and willing and wants

2754
02:24:11,560 --> 02:24:16,040
Speaker 1: to move on from Visera's number one and number two. Again,

2755
02:24:16,080 --> 02:24:19,959
Speaker 1: this is a patriarchal society, and that would be the

2756
02:24:20,040 --> 02:24:25,080
Speaker 1: king's decision. If the queen remarries, it would the king

2757
02:24:26,520 --> 02:24:30,120
Speaker 1: or queen or ruler whoever that is. The queen wants

2758
02:24:30,160 --> 02:24:33,280
Speaker 1: it to be egg on her son, so in her

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02:24:33,480 --> 02:24:39,560
Speaker 1: best outcome for this coming situation, it would be Eggon's

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02:24:39,560 --> 02:24:43,480
Speaker 1: decision who the queen marries and if the queen remarries,

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02:24:43,600 --> 02:24:47,120
Speaker 1: so it's it's unfortunately out of her hands. She would

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02:24:47,120 --> 02:24:50,120
Speaker 1: have a say in it, but it would not be

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02:24:50,240 --> 02:24:51,720
Speaker 1: up to her. It would not be up to her.

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02:24:51,879 --> 02:24:54,320
Speaker 1: If Rania manages to get to the throne, as we

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02:24:54,360 --> 02:24:57,640
Speaker 1: all hope, I think it would be also Raniera's decision

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02:24:57,800 --> 02:25:02,200
Speaker 1: to who Alison remarried, because that would that's a very important,

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02:25:02,560 --> 02:25:06,520
Speaker 1: uh marriage. But it's out of her hands unfortunately. But yes,

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02:25:06,680 --> 02:25:07,640
Speaker 1: but out of her hands.

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02:25:07,800 --> 02:25:10,280
Speaker 2: I feel like, obviously the better case scenario there is

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02:25:10,360 --> 02:25:12,720
Speaker 2: Venera not Eggon to choose.

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02:25:13,400 --> 02:25:14,879
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine.

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02:25:15,600 --> 02:25:18,519
Speaker 2: He'd probably marry his own mom, like he's a psycho.

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02:25:18,840 --> 02:25:20,400
Speaker 1: Or he'd just be like, you know, you've been giving

2774
02:25:20,400 --> 02:25:22,160
Speaker 1: me a lot of problems, slapping me in the face

2775
02:25:22,200 --> 02:25:24,840
Speaker 1: and find other people, like I'll marry you off to.

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02:25:24,800 --> 02:25:28,760
Speaker 2: Some exactly some no, some.

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02:25:27,920 --> 02:25:31,640
Speaker 1: Some far off place, the Mallisters. Who knows, like you know,

2778
02:25:31,760 --> 02:25:35,040
Speaker 1: like the arbor. Yeah, you know, don't get red wines,

2779
02:25:35,120 --> 02:25:37,320
Speaker 1: just go get get out of here. Yeah.

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02:25:38,040 --> 02:25:40,520
Speaker 2: Okay, so okay, this is a big one coming out

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02:25:40,560 --> 02:25:42,520
Speaker 2: of the I think we kind of touched on what

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02:25:42,560 --> 02:25:44,040
Speaker 2: you think about it, But let's go let's make it

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02:25:44,040 --> 02:25:47,920
Speaker 2: a bit more textual. Clayton asks, do you think Alison

2784
02:25:48,000 --> 02:25:51,760
Speaker 2: would be familiar with the prince that was promised? Would

2785
02:25:51,800 --> 02:25:54,960
Speaker 2: she recognize that as what Visaras was referring to, even

2786
02:25:54,959 --> 02:25:57,320
Speaker 2: if she doesn't know about you know, Eggon's full prophecy.

2787
02:25:57,560 --> 02:26:05,200
Speaker 1: I Alice since very learned and was very serious about

2788
02:26:05,240 --> 02:26:08,800
Speaker 1: her studies. We know that, and surely her and Visas

2789
02:26:08,879 --> 02:26:12,200
Speaker 1: have talked Valerian history at times past. But I think

2790
02:26:12,200 --> 02:26:17,240
Speaker 1: it's clear from her reaction that while she might have

2791
02:26:17,360 --> 02:26:23,240
Speaker 1: heard conversations about something about this, she doesn't recognize it.

2792
02:26:23,240 --> 02:26:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't think she knows. And it's very clear also

2793
02:26:25,480 --> 02:26:29,080
Speaker 1: that Visa's has never clued her in to this prince

2794
02:26:29,160 --> 02:26:32,640
Speaker 1: that was promised eggon dream prophecy. She has no idea.

2795
02:26:33,320 --> 02:26:36,680
Speaker 2: Okay. Jonathan asked a big question here coming through Jonathan

2796
02:26:36,760 --> 02:26:40,480
Speaker 2: for the house stuff, what is the fate of Diana.

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02:26:41,440 --> 02:26:43,959
Speaker 1: I think that they don't lay it out here, but

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02:26:44,000 --> 02:26:47,480
Speaker 1: I think it's very clear that Allison was sincere in

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02:26:47,959 --> 02:26:52,200
Speaker 1: wishing Diana in her way, wishing her well, and just

2800
02:26:52,280 --> 02:26:54,760
Speaker 1: wanting her to go away. Here's a bag of money,

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02:26:54,760 --> 02:26:58,640
Speaker 1: which is probably more money than Diana. It would have

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02:26:58,680 --> 02:27:02,720
Speaker 1: made in her Yeah, her response service to the shock

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02:27:03,280 --> 02:27:06,480
Speaker 1: to see it. So Diana was sent merrily on her

2804
02:27:06,520 --> 02:27:08,560
Speaker 1: way with a big bag of coin and hopefully she

2805
02:27:08,600 --> 02:27:11,480
Speaker 1: doesn't get robbed out in Flea Bonham or something. But

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02:27:11,840 --> 02:27:15,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think she's she's okay. Nothing untoward him.

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02:27:16,320 --> 02:27:18,480
Speaker 2: I think so too. Okay. So this is going to

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02:27:18,520 --> 02:27:20,600
Speaker 2: be two questions because they both asked the same thing,

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02:27:20,640 --> 02:27:23,200
Speaker 2: but with a little bit of detail. So Barr asks,

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02:27:23,560 --> 02:27:26,640
Speaker 2: how is Alison okay with the degree of incest after

2811
02:27:26,680 --> 02:27:29,200
Speaker 2: all of her harump thing about Raniera and Damon, which

2812
02:27:29,240 --> 02:27:32,640
Speaker 2: we did see. And then Brian Martin on Twitter asks,

2813
02:27:32,840 --> 02:27:35,840
Speaker 2: how are they glossing over the fact that Agor married

2814
02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:38,360
Speaker 2: his sister? Wasn't that kind of a big deal for

2815
02:27:38,440 --> 02:27:41,440
Speaker 2: Mageor with the faith militant? And if the High Towers

2816
02:27:41,440 --> 02:27:44,480
Speaker 2: are so religious, wouldn't they think it was inherently wrong?

2817
02:27:45,160 --> 02:27:48,280
Speaker 1: Okay? So first question for bar how is Alison okay

2818
02:27:48,320 --> 02:27:52,000
Speaker 1: with all the incest? She's probably not tremendously okay with it,

2819
02:27:52,080 --> 02:27:55,640
Speaker 1: but all of a sudden, when you know it has

2820
02:27:55,680 --> 02:27:58,680
Speaker 1: been drilled into her all this time, that is very,

2821
02:27:58,800 --> 02:28:02,959
Speaker 1: very important that her children be that be the true

2822
02:28:03,120 --> 02:28:07,080
Speaker 1: Targarians in contrast to Jace, Luke and Joffrey, who are

2823
02:28:07,520 --> 02:28:12,320
Speaker 1: the fake, the bastard Targarians. That it's very important for

2824
02:28:12,480 --> 02:28:15,640
Speaker 1: their personal safety and for the stability of the realm

2825
02:28:15,680 --> 02:28:18,680
Speaker 1: that her children be the true Targarians. And so what

2826
02:28:18,720 --> 02:28:21,560
Speaker 1: did Targarians do? There are different rules for Targarians, and

2827
02:28:21,560 --> 02:28:24,120
Speaker 1: this has been true ever since egg On the We

2828
02:28:24,200 --> 02:28:28,199
Speaker 1: have to realize that the Targarians are like demigod, They're

2829
02:28:28,240 --> 02:28:33,560
Speaker 1: like gods that walk the earth, and it is accepted,

2830
02:28:33,920 --> 02:28:36,600
Speaker 1: though not happily accepted, by the faith that there are

2831
02:28:36,760 --> 02:28:40,480
Speaker 1: separate rules for the Targarians. And also this is a

2832
02:28:40,560 --> 02:28:46,160
Speaker 1: very self serving thing for Allison. She's very concerned about

2833
02:28:46,160 --> 02:28:50,320
Speaker 1: the security of her family and so presenting her family

2834
02:28:50,440 --> 02:28:56,199
Speaker 1: as authentically Targarian is important. And one thing that Targarians

2835
02:28:56,240 --> 02:29:00,880
Speaker 1: do is they guard that bloodline because of how valuable

2836
02:29:00,879 --> 02:29:03,320
Speaker 1: that blood is and how it gives them access and

2837
02:29:03,360 --> 02:29:06,959
Speaker 1: the ability to ride dragons. Guard that bloodline, they marry

2838
02:29:06,959 --> 02:29:10,280
Speaker 1: into their own blood brother Mary's sister, as egg On

2839
02:29:10,360 --> 02:29:15,080
Speaker 1: the Conqueror did. And so while she's probably not tremendously

2840
02:29:15,120 --> 02:29:17,680
Speaker 1: happy about it, she understands this is important because it

2841
02:29:17,760 --> 02:29:23,600
Speaker 1: makes Egon's case to be king seem stronger. He's got

2842
02:29:23,640 --> 02:29:26,160
Speaker 1: the king's name, he's marrying his sister just like the

2843
02:29:26,240 --> 02:29:28,840
Speaker 1: King did, Egon, just like egg and the Conqueror did,

2844
02:29:28,959 --> 02:29:32,880
Speaker 1: and so when the time comes, we're going to present

2845
02:29:32,959 --> 02:29:37,360
Speaker 1: him as egg On the Conqueror renewed to the second part,

2846
02:29:37,920 --> 02:29:39,240
Speaker 1: wasn't this a big deal for meg Or in the

2847
02:29:39,280 --> 02:29:44,080
Speaker 1: faith mild? It absolutely was. Now here's the thing. The

2848
02:29:44,160 --> 02:29:48,480
Speaker 1: faith was like, Okay, Eggon conquered us. He came in

2849
02:29:48,520 --> 02:29:50,800
Speaker 1: with the dragons, and yes, we understand that he then

2850
02:29:50,959 --> 02:29:53,680
Speaker 1: was anointed at the star recept under the faith of

2851
02:29:53,720 --> 02:29:55,920
Speaker 1: the Seven and he took on the faith and he's,

2852
02:29:56,000 --> 02:29:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, promised to support and uphold the faith. At

2853
02:29:58,440 --> 02:30:00,600
Speaker 1: the same time, we let him give him a pass

2854
02:30:00,680 --> 02:30:08,680
Speaker 1: with the marrying his sister's thing. When Prince Anus, my

2855
02:30:08,800 --> 02:30:14,680
Speaker 1: favorite Anis became king, he didn't really understand all the

2856
02:30:14,720 --> 02:30:20,400
Speaker 1: blood and toil that went into into kind of getting

2857
02:30:20,920 --> 02:30:23,600
Speaker 1: the faith to kind of go along with the way

2858
02:30:23,640 --> 02:30:26,240
Speaker 1: the Targerians were, and he took it for granted, and

2859
02:30:26,320 --> 02:30:30,160
Speaker 1: that's what allowed the faith militant to kind of arise,

2860
02:30:30,320 --> 02:30:33,000
Speaker 1: like he kind of shoved it in the face faith

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02:30:33,480 --> 02:30:36,840
Speaker 1: the face the faith's face, with the kind of way

2862
02:30:36,920 --> 02:30:42,840
Speaker 1: that he was like marrying under Targarian rights, and and

2863
02:30:42,840 --> 02:30:46,720
Speaker 1: and just like allowing this incest to kind of like

2864
02:30:46,800 --> 02:30:50,959
Speaker 1: go forward without kind of getting the okay of the faith,

2865
02:30:51,560 --> 02:30:54,800
Speaker 1: Like the faith from the faith perspective. Agon was a

2866
02:30:54,800 --> 02:30:59,400
Speaker 1: one off. So when Magor came in, Magor was like, well,

2867
02:30:59,440 --> 02:31:06,440
Speaker 1: fuck you. Actually magor usurped from Anus's son also named Agon,

2868
02:31:06,600 --> 02:31:10,160
Speaker 1: right killed Egon in battle. Maygor came in was like,

2869
02:31:10,600 --> 02:31:13,000
Speaker 1: you know what, we're Targerians. We do whatever you want,

2870
02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:16,480
Speaker 1: and so fought a very very bloody war, which then

2871
02:31:16,720 --> 02:31:19,440
Speaker 1: Jaharis had to kind of like bind up the wounds

2872
02:31:19,480 --> 02:31:24,240
Speaker 1: for So, yes, the faith has a problem with incest,

2873
02:31:24,920 --> 02:31:31,480
Speaker 1: but Maygor's wars and Jiharis's kind of binding up of

2874
02:31:31,560 --> 02:31:36,240
Speaker 1: the wounds put us in a place where it is

2875
02:31:36,320 --> 02:31:40,720
Speaker 1: basically accepted that there are different rules for Targarians. And

2876
02:31:41,160 --> 02:31:45,600
Speaker 1: while everyone isn't necessarily happy about it, they accept that

2877
02:31:45,600 --> 02:31:49,960
Speaker 1: that is the case because one might makes right and

2878
02:31:50,040 --> 02:31:52,959
Speaker 1: two that blood gives you access to dragon writing. So

2879
02:31:54,600 --> 02:31:57,360
Speaker 1: the high towers are going along with this because it

2880
02:31:57,480 --> 02:32:01,320
Speaker 1: behooves them too. These are auto high town grandchildren, right.

2881
02:32:01,760 --> 02:32:05,080
Speaker 1: This puts the high Towers basically in the strongest position

2882
02:32:05,120 --> 02:32:07,600
Speaker 1: they would ever be in, with their grandchildren being on

2883
02:32:07,680 --> 02:32:11,720
Speaker 1: the throne, and it elevates them in the pecking order

2884
02:32:12,000 --> 02:32:14,560
Speaker 1: of houses in the realm. I mean, they are not

2885
02:32:15,000 --> 02:32:17,760
Speaker 1: we have to realize about the high Towers. They're not

2886
02:32:17,920 --> 02:32:21,520
Speaker 1: like lord paramounts of the Reach that you know that

2887
02:32:21,760 --> 02:32:25,240
Speaker 1: is high Garden, you know those that's who rules the Reach.

2888
02:32:25,920 --> 02:32:29,720
Speaker 1: So this would in all but name, elevate them to

2889
02:32:30,400 --> 02:32:34,959
Speaker 1: one of the most powerful houses around, even though they

2890
02:32:34,959 --> 02:32:38,320
Speaker 1: don't even rule their own regions. So there's the reason

2891
02:32:38,360 --> 02:32:41,760
Speaker 1: that they're okay with this is it benefits them greatly.

2892
02:32:42,400 --> 02:32:45,160
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of much like what is

2893
02:32:45,200 --> 02:32:49,160
Speaker 1: the old saying a person doesn't see the thing that

2894
02:32:49,360 --> 02:32:54,280
Speaker 1: their paycheck says that they should ignore the same thing

2895
02:32:54,320 --> 02:32:57,400
Speaker 1: here with the high Towers. It just benefits them too

2896
02:32:57,440 --> 02:33:01,480
Speaker 1: well to really give a shit out incest right now.

2897
02:33:01,400 --> 02:33:04,720
Speaker 2: The high tower hypocrisy continues. Okay, so this is my

2898
02:33:04,920 --> 02:33:07,200
Speaker 2: ask the mace die love when I get to jump in. So,

2899
02:33:07,440 --> 02:33:12,960
Speaker 2: speaking of this incestuous relationship, Helena, she rightfully it seemed

2900
02:33:13,000 --> 02:33:16,200
Speaker 2: prophesied aimoned having to lose an eye. He'd have to

2901
02:33:16,240 --> 02:33:19,320
Speaker 2: close an eye before he got his dragon, and he did.

2902
02:33:19,920 --> 02:33:23,680
Speaker 2: At the dinner table, during this very awkward Helena moment,

2903
02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:27,400
Speaker 2: she sort of whispers about the beast beneath the boards.

2904
02:33:27,840 --> 02:33:30,920
Speaker 2: So is that something? Do you think that's another Helena prophecy?

2905
02:33:31,040 --> 02:33:32,759
Speaker 2: Is that going to play into.

2906
02:33:32,560 --> 02:33:36,560
Speaker 1: I think it. I think it absolutely is. And again,

2907
02:33:36,680 --> 02:33:39,520
Speaker 1: we just need to keep track of everything, she says.

2908
02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:45,119
Speaker 1: I think, much like with He'll need to close an eye,

2909
02:33:45,160 --> 02:33:48,279
Speaker 1: we should just let it play out. What this means

2910
02:33:48,360 --> 02:33:49,840
Speaker 1: I can't wait, but very exciting.

2911
02:33:49,959 --> 02:33:51,480
Speaker 2: I love Helena's prophecies.

2912
02:33:51,800 --> 02:33:54,240
Speaker 1: That's it for this segment of Ask the Master. Don't

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Speaker 1: handle social media. Thank you Brian Vasquez for a theme

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Speaker 1: music see an X time folks. Hey, hey, Mike, it's

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Speaker 1: his dom for marine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just want to call and talk about the kings

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Speaker 1: God today. Listen, Mike, Uh uh what do we watch today? Mike?

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Speaker 1: We watched a trial, first of all, hearing that should

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Speaker 1: never have taken place. That's another thing, Okay, because these

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Speaker 1: scurless rumors about Jace and Luceris and a wonderful young man, Jeffrey.

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Speaker 1: These are terrible rumors. I'm not even gonna give them air, Mike,

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Speaker 1: because it terrible even talk about. I hate, I hate

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Speaker 1: even the implication of them. But let's talk about the

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Speaker 1: King's God, Mike, because uh, what.

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Speaker 6: Are they doing?

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Speaker 1: Mike? What are they doing? We're in the throne room, Mike,

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Speaker 1: and Damon's able to take his sort out, cross the

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Speaker 1: room and cut Damon's head in three quarters? Mike, where's

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Speaker 1: the King's guard?

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Speaker 2: Where are they ever?

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Speaker 1: Okay? We got princes fighting getting their eyes chopped out.

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Speaker 1: We got guys, kingsgud guys beaten invited guests to a

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Speaker 1: royal wedding. They're beating them to death in front of everybody.

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Speaker 1: They're fucking the princess. They're doing this and that, Mike.

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Speaker 1: This we got to reform this, this order. Mike, They're

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Speaker 1: a mess. They're not doing it, they're not protecting anybody.

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Speaker 1: The Queen is grabbing knives, is attacking the crown, princess

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Speaker 1: and the and they're just standing around looking at each

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Speaker 1: other like, I don't know, is it my job? Is

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Speaker 1: it your job? Your job is God, it's in the

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Speaker 1: fucking title. Guys, get it together. And here's the thing

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Speaker 1: nobody wants to talk about. I don't know, you know,

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Speaker 1: like the budget of the fucking King's Guards going up

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Speaker 1: every year, and yet there's only seven guys. We need

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Speaker 1: more guys, get more people. Are this kid's guard? Seven's

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Speaker 1: not enough, is not enough to cover the whole royal family. Mike,

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Speaker 1: I'll take my hands off the air, thank you,