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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this episode number ninety Taylor Show,

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Speaker 1: we're joined by Randy Newburgh to discuss the greatest threat

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Speaker 1: to public lands and public land hunting in America. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Sick Gear. And today, as I mentioned, we've got

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Speaker 1: Randy Newburgh on the show of us again. And Randy

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Speaker 1: joined us last September for a conversation in which we

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Speaker 1: discussed a lot of different conservation and hunting related topics,

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Speaker 1: but we didn't get to really dive into one of

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Speaker 1: Randy's favorite issues, and that's public lands. Now fast forward

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Speaker 1: to January a month ago, and we had Wit Fosterer

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Speaker 1: from the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership with us on episode

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Speaker 1: number I think it was, and during the interview, we

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Speaker 1: discussed what Wit believed were the most important conservation issues

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Speaker 1: of two thousand and sixteen, and one of those was

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Speaker 1: this threat of the transfer of public lands that's been

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Speaker 1: talked about a lot these days. So Coming out of

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Speaker 1: that conversation, We've been getting lots of questions and comments

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Speaker 1: from listeners and readers wanting to better understand what exactly

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Speaker 1: the deal is with this public lands transfer idea. So

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Speaker 1: in short, we decided that we need to have a

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Speaker 1: full episode dedicated to this very topic and public lands

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Speaker 1: and all the various threats to them. So it seemed

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Speaker 1: to me that there's no one better to discuss this

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Speaker 1: with than Randy Newberg. So obviously we now have Randy

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Speaker 1: Newberg on the episode, which I'm excited about. And if

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Speaker 1: you didn't catch our first episode with Randy, I highly

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Speaker 1: recommend giving them listen. It's episode number seventy two. But

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Speaker 1: if you haven't done that, and if you're not familiar

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Speaker 1: with who Rady is, he's first and foremost just a

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Speaker 1: serious hunter, both for deer and other big game species.

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Speaker 1: He's a host of Fresh Tracks with Randy Newburgh on

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Speaker 1: the Sportsman Channel I Believe and the Hunt Talk radio podcast,

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Speaker 1: which I'm a big fan of. He's also a board

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Speaker 1: member for the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation and a very

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Speaker 1: active advocate for hunting in public lands. So well, all

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Speaker 1: that said, this is going to be what I think

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Speaker 1: is going to be a terrific conversation focused on one

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Speaker 1: of the very most important topics for hunters today. But

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Speaker 1: that's just my two cents, Dan, what do you think?

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Speaker 1: Are you ready for this? Are you excited about this?

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Speaker 1: Do you do you think this is gonna be interesting? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I do think it's going to be interesting. Um So

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Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I'm gonna pay it more

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Speaker 1: attention two, you know, to to the political field and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to start, you know, really honing in on

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Speaker 1: what candidate really meets as many values for me as

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Speaker 1: as possible. And uh, I know that today's episode kind

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Speaker 1: to say about about some of that stuff. Yeah, definitely

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Speaker 1: think we'll have some some great perspective as far as

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just a person. I'm a guy who's

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Speaker 1: as far as uh I'm today, I did research on

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Speaker 1: to state management. Yeah, and we'll we'll avoid driving getting

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Speaker 1: And so I go back to my desk and I'm like, oh, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: we chatted, I think that was in August maybe, Um,

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Speaker 1: it was just before you were about to head off

428
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Speaker 1: on your fall two thousand fifteen hunts. So it's kind

429
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Speaker 1: of curious, how did your season end up going? Oh,

430
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 1: you guys know how it is where some seasons it's

431
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 1: like everything falls into place, and then some seasons, no

432
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: matter what you do, it doesn't work out. As Muncy's off,

433
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: it can't go wrong, it will go wrong. Well, Mr

434
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: Bercy was riding shotgown with us this season. Anyways, it

435
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: was so hard. I've told people if I huded this

436
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: hard in most seasons, I would have filled every tag

437
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: with a dooling crocket animal as as as we probably

438
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: failed half my tags. But hef we we got to

439
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: see a lot of cool places did a lot of

440
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: cool things. We had great guest hunters, were shots, some

441
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: nice animals. Um just well, yeah, doing the public laying

442
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: gig like we do. And I know your audience is

443
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh, Randy, I really feel sorry for

444
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: you year my symphathies. But we had a We had

445
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: a decent season, but for how hard we worked, it

446
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: should have been better. That's funny. Yeah, you gotta know

447
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: how that is. Yeah, sometimes you worked your butt off

448
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: and you don't get what you deserve, and sometimes you're

449
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: sitting on your button, just lands in your lap and like,

450
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: all right, somebody needs to tell me what that's like.

451
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: Dan's ready for one of those. Yeah, it'll be there. Dan.

452
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: The next time you climb in the tree stand and

453
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: you turn around just to get ready, here'll be the

454
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: big buck standing right down below you're looking at you.

455
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 1: That would be nice. That would be nice. Yeah. You know, Now,

456
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: as I'm as I'm remembering things, I think our first

457
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: interview with you, Randy, it aired the week that me

458
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: and Dan were out on our elk hunt together and

459
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: we had one of those elkhuns. Now we were only

460
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: it was only a week compared to your whole season.

461
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: Out there. But our week of elk hunting in Idaho

462
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: was kind of right in line with what you're talking

463
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 1: about with kind of everything going wrong. We just got

464
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: poured on the whole time, and Dan didn't bring a

465
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: good tent, so his tent went to bunk on our

466
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: first night, so we had to pack out to get

467
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: him new gear because everything was soaked and nothing was talking,

468
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: and there was way more hunters than I've ever found

469
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: back there. So it was just one of those trips

470
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: where you look at it as as a learning experience

471
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: and that's about it. Uh, well, you got to have

472
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: a few of those so that you really appreciate it.

473
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: One of the good ones from along, Very true, very sure.

474
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: That's that's how I rationalize that. Anyhow you have, you

475
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: have to tell your yourself things like that in the

476
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: in the Pits of despair, hunted the mountainside right right exactly?

477
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: You did? Uh? If I remember hearing you did get

478
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: a nice bullet? Was in Montana? Yeah, yeah, I did.

479
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: I left out and h this was one of those

480
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: days and Mr Murphy was on vacation and all I

481
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: convegued because we we were actually we walked out on

482
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: the small sliver of glm land, and the idea was

483
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: we were just going to glass from that big nobb

484
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: out there and going to hold. There's three bowls and

485
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: twenty cows just tearing it up and carrying on making noise.

486
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: And I ended up shooting one of them and he

487
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: ended up being the best ball I've ever shots. That

488
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: just goes to show you go out to glass. I

489
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: almost it was so unprepared to actually shoot because I'm

490
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: just thinking about, Okay, I'm gonna glass for the evening

491
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: hunt and figure out what we're doing this evening, you know,

492
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: and sudden they start beavy and blass, and he wanted

493
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: to be a TV star, so I obliged to. Gotta

494
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: love those attention hungry elk. Right. Yeah, So it was

495
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: fun when can in Mexico, I guest unner shot a

496
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: really nice bull there. And in Wyoming we had a

497
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: guest inner street to bull there and I continued my

498
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: white tail addictions. Um in Montana, I shot another white tails,

499
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: so out of my I've lived here for twenty four

500
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Speaker 1: hunting seasons, uh, and I I've filled the deer tags

501
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: every year with Montana. It's not super hard with an

502
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: under deer we hub, but I've only shot three meal there.

503
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: In my entire time I lived in Montana, all the

504
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: ways have been white tails. So that's a problem when

505
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: you when you grew up in northern Minnesota, you can't

506
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: get rid of the white tail or the walleye problem. Yeah,

507
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: I can definitely, I can imagine that. Um. When when

508
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: I think most people think about white tails in Montana,

509
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: at least from a Midwestern perspective, I think of like

510
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: eastern Montana, Milk River and stuff. Are you traveling way

511
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: east to hunt white tails or are you finding some

512
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: over on the western side. There's light tails all over

513
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: in Montana. I shot this light till at about six

514
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: thousand key to elevation on the Forest Service all the

515
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: all the elk counters go, they just march right past you.

516
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: I cut up this wonderin agent sit on this ridge

517
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: and white tails being white tails in November. That he

518
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: was the sixth buck that I saw that morning, And

519
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: he was the one that actually decided to stand for

520
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: the camera because I still in myself, which is really hard, um.

521
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: And so he was nice enough for me and I

522
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: shot him. But I think if people from the Midwest

523
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: came out to Montana or Wyoming, Idaho, white kill hunting

524
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: made you shake their head at one how little hunting

525
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,239
Speaker 1: pressure there is to the average quality of a lot

526
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: of our books relais at the highly pressured places that

527
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: I grew up in Minnesota anyhow, um, and just how

528
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: much country there is to go and find him. I

529
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: shouldn't be saying that Montana, but they're gonna be like,

530
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: shure your mouth. Yeah, you're you're telling a pretty big

531
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: chunk of white tailers out there about your secret. And

532
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: where's that trail head located? Yeah, well, then if you

533
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to ask too many people because they see

534
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: them my truck park there regularly, I'm gonna have to

535
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: start driving like a player to Prius or something. People

536
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: see my track, they're like, oh, I know where you're

537
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: Raindy was at. No, it's we're lucky to live in

538
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: a place like Montana where we do have all this

539
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: public plans and and you know, people, I think you know,

540
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: people believe if you can hunt white kills in Montana

541
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: you need private access, and there's no doubt that's going

542
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: to help you. But where it's a little leg works,

543
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: the ability to desire to hike a little bit, maybe

544
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: a para waters to cross the creek or river the

545
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: key to other people from the crossing. Um, you'd be

546
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: surprised how many white deals you can find here on

547
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: but look, yeah, it's definitely intriguing to me. It's funny

548
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: you mentioned it because over the past few weeks I've

549
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: been sitting here at home trying to figure out where

550
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: my what my third state should be, because I typically

551
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: hunt my homestead of Michigan, I go to Ohio and

552
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: then a third white tail state, and I've kind of

553
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: moved away this year from doing one of the usual

554
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: ones I do, like something close to home. I've been thinking, like,

555
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: this is the year maybe I'm gonna head west for

556
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: like a totally different kind of western hunt. Maybe North Dakota,

557
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: maybe western Nebraska, maybe Wyoming and Montana. So these are

558
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: the things I'm thinking about. So it's interesting to hear,

559
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: you know, your perspective on that, because I've heard that

560
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: from a lot of people that there's a lot of

561
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: great deer hunting out that part of the country that

562
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: people just don't know about or don't realize it's available.

563
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, right, if you decided to come this far west,

564
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: you guys just give me a call and I'll tell

565
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: you where those GPS coordinates are. Learn you'll reslearned to

566
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: avowed secretcy. You gotta be careful what you offer, Randy,

567
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: Dan's liable to take you up on it. So, speaking

568
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: of public lands though, right what what I really was

569
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: hoping we could talk about today, Randy, were a lot

570
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: of things related to public lands and some of the

571
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: current um risks facing our public lands. And I know

572
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: that you are a guy who has worked for quite

573
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: a long time now on behalf of public lands, public

574
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 1: access and those those places and animals that we as

575
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: hunters um have the have the opportunity and privileged to hunt. Um.

576
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: So I guess I wanted to cover a lot of things.

577
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: But the first and foremost aspect of this is this

578
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: whole issue of the transfer of federal public lands. It's

579
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: been talked a lot over the past year two most

580
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: recently with the whole standoff in Oregon. There's been a

581
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: new light shine on it. It's been talked about a

582
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: little bit in regards to the presidential race going on

583
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: right now, so it's definitely in the media. It's something

584
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: that people I think need a need to have a

585
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: strong understanding of But right now, I think there's still

586
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: a lot of questions, especially for guys that are you know,

587
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: our audience here in the Midwest, east coast south wherever

588
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: it might be, who aren't necessarily in our as involved

589
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: as maybe someone in Wyoming or Montana or Nevada is

590
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: where there's tons of public land. UM. So we've talked

591
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: about this issue a little bit. A couple of weeks ago,

592
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: we had Witt Fostburg on the show and we spent

593
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: maybe five ten minutes talking about this topic. But I

594
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: was hoping that you, Randy, could help us really drill

595
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: into it. So, uh, could you maybe to really start

596
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: us out here? Could you explain to us, you know what,

597
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: what is this issue? What when someone says the transfer

598
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: public lands, what are they talking about? And why do

599
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: these people want to do some life that Well, I'm

600
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: not sure how much time we have, guys, because we

601
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: could spend the twenty four our podcast on I'll try

602
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: to touch on the high points that are relevant to

603
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: two hunters, um. And the reason I say hunters is

604
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: in the west of Hunters, in the last west of

605
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: the Great Plain hunt on federal public lands. So that's

606
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: it's a really big issue to hunters in the West,

607
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: just because it's where most of us un UM. But

608
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: the premises of this argument is that the federal government

609
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: should transfer the lands to the state and not the

610
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: state manager. And you know, in the first year, it's

611
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: like and not a bad idea. Um. And for a

612
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: lot of people who live in a state that their

613
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: state lands are very friendly to hunting, um, it really

614
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: sounds like a good idea because they think that all

615
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: states operate maybe the way their state what does. So

616
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: I'll use the example where I grew up in Minnesota.

617
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: Just about all the state lands are open hunting pretty much.

618
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: All the state lands are open to most everything. Then

619
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: you come to Colorado, and I'm just using some examples

620
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: here because usually these examples will illustrate the concerns very

621
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: quickly to the to the listener. So you come to

622
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: Colorado and you see on the state land are these

623
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: little blue squares in your maw? Um, you cannot hunt

624
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: those state lands. So we've got twenty three million acres

625
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: of BLM and Forest Service in Colorado. But if it

626
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: was transferred to the State Land Board of Colorado under

627
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: the premise that this whole state transfer idea is those

628
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: twenty three million acres are currently accessible federal lands, the

629
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: beer of line management in the US Force Service would

630
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: no longer be available for US to hunt unless the

631
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: Department of Wildlife in Colorado went and leads the hunting

632
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: rights on those lands. Well, they don't have the budget

633
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: to do that. Um So the reason I used color

634
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: Colorado it's such an obvious example of how each state

635
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: has different rules about access and restrictions on the state

636
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: lands that are controlled within that state. It's not like

637
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: federal lands work. If you go to Montana, to Michigan,

638
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: to Georgia to New Mexico, the federal lands are all

639
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: pretty much the same access rules. It's it's very very

640
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: different by state. So in that example, let's let's just

641
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: walk it through. The federal government transfers all those beyond

642
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: lands to Colorado. How are we going to replace twenty

643
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: three million of acres that right now is currently open mouning,

644
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: no no options. I don't think. I don't know how

645
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: you could. I don't know how it is. So and

646
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: people say, well, he's just using one really bad example. Well,

647
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: let's off then Ada, New Mexico, New Mexico state lands.

648
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: You cannot camp on the state lands, so I hunt

649
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: the HeLa National Forest areas for Alkala. Now, if the

650
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: HeLa National Force was transferred to the state of New Mexico,

651
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: I could not camp out there on my out on

652
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: the grounds right outcome, Well, it's about a three hour

653
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: drive on some of America's worst roads from the nearest

654
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: place I'd be able to camp to where I would hunt. Well,

655
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: how practical is it for outpointing that I'm going to

656
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: drive three hours every morning, hunt, drive three hours that

657
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: night to come back out to where I'm now allowed

658
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: to camp, and repeat that process every day. In my outcome,

659
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: it just not practical. In New Mexico, a lot of

660
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: the state lands that have a lot of wildlife values

661
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: get considered wildlife management areas and only residents can hunt

662
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: those and apply for tags and those wildlife management areas.

663
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: So again I'm just pointing out the obvious examples. In

664
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: my state of Montana, we were like Colorado until nineties five,

665
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: I believe is when when you went to Helena and

666
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: gotten the big it was an ugly desktop with the legislature,

667
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: and what came of it is that we agreed we'd

668
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: be willing to pay a fee if we would be

669
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: allowed to hunt state lands. So now residents and non

670
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: residents get to hunt state lands in Montana, but they

671
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: have to pay a fee to do that. So if

672
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 1: any of you who traveled to the West, I assume

673
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: if seventy of us living here hunt on federal lands,

674
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: odds are seventy percent who would travel here to hunt

675
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: very close to that would probably hunt on federal lands. So, um,

676
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: it's a it's a huge impact. So just in that

677
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: sense of what would happen under state control and ownership

678
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: is one thing if you step back and don't let

679
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: yourself just be drawn into that argument. But you look

680
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: at the history of this discussion, that this discussion has

681
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: been going on for decades, and the premise of it

682
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: is that the federal government should not be allowed to

683
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: own land. But it's unconstitutional. In spite of the fact

684
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: that that's a month to quote many times and it's

685
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: been defeated every time. Um, these people still hold that

686
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: out as some sort of myth or some iconic constitutional fiction.

687
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: But the goal of those groups saying this is to

688
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: not just get the land transferred to the states. Historically

689
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: their goal was let's sell these lands and so in

690
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 1: the late eighties they really were pushing that. It became

691
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: what was called the sage Brush Rebellion, and they got

692
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: their teeth handed to them from a political and just

693
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: public opinion standpoint. So they kind of retreated for a

694
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: little while and said, boy, let's not say sad lands.

695
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: Let's call it something else. So that's where they came

696
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: out with the new idea, the new package they wrapped

697
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: around it called transfer the public lands. The reason that

698
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: they do that is the lessern states are very very

699
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: good at selling their state lands. Um Nevada at state

700
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: where these grande over two million acres of state lands.

701
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: They've sold all but they've sold. Um Utah was granted

702
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: over seven million acres of state land at era of

703
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: land at statehood, they're now down to a little over

704
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: three million. Um Alasta currently sells their land to fund

705
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: their university systems, their school system, and their mental health system.

706
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: So if these states obtain the ownership of these lands,

707
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: it will the goal of selling them, which has been

708
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: the goal of most people behind This would be far

709
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: easier to accomplish if these lands are in eight hands

710
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: than when they're in federal hands. So it's really two issues.

711
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: It's the easy argument and to say, look, this is

712
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: really going to affect us from a hunting access standpoint,

713
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: and the evidences there. It just takes ten minutes to

714
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: explain it. But the longer term goal is to get

715
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: these lands out of public hands. That's that's that simple.

716
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: And it struck me that just two weeks agother and

717
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: for your your listeners, there's a group called the Mountain

718
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: States Legal Foundation based in Denver. They're a large think

719
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: tank of attorneys who are very much into property rights,

720
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: western land issues. Uh. Someone your listeners mainly remember Gil Norton,

721
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: who was a Secretary of Interior under George W. Bush

722
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: to um James Watt, Secretary of Interior under Ronald Reagan.

723
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: Both of them came out of this think tank called

724
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: the Mountain States Legal And why why am I bringing

725
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: that up is because just in the last couple of weeks,

726
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: as they've seen more and more publicity for this idea

727
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: of transfer, they've now come flat out. And the president

728
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: of that organization, who's also an attorney, UH, William Pentley,

729
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: wrote a very long article and the title of it

730
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: I have it right here, says the federal government should

731
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: follow the Constitution and sell the Western Lands. So now

732
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: they're back to, you know, we called the transfer, let's

733
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: just say what we wanted to be, we want to

734
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: sell these Western lands. And the part that strikes me

735
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: as funny, and here's an attorney they in Pentley who

736
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: says the federal government should follow the Constitution. Well, if

737
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: heat an attorney leading an organization with lots of other

738
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: attorneys who specialize in this law, why don't they just

739
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: follow lawsuit and say, hey, this is this is unconstitutional,

740
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: get it turned over. It seems like an epier path.

741
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: The reason they don't is because they've been defeated every

742
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: time they've tried it. So their hope is, if we

743
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: can continue to make it sound like it's unconstitutional, if

744
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: we can make it sound like this is a big

745
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: government against the little guy, we can accomplish this legislatively

746
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: because we've not been able to accomplish it judicially, Let's

747
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: try and get Congress and public support to accomplish this.

748
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: So it's just been recently in the last month now

749
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: that they're back saying let's just sell these lands, which

750
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: surprised me because it was such an unfavorable advertisement for

751
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: their cause. Twenty five thirty years ago. Now, I know, um,

752
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: like me and Mark before the show started, I had

753
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: a little conversation about and I'm just saying this presidential

754
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: election year, I've been I've been focused more than I

755
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: ever have on politics and with this, and I've done

756
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: some research before this show, and in one term that

757
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: kind of strikes me funny is and especially I think

758
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: Ted Cruz on the Republican Party has been saying, we

759
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: want to return the land to the people. Well, if

760
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: it's public land, isn't it already the people's land? Yeah?

761
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: That funny. When he says that, I just laugh. I'm like, an,

762
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: we the people. Isn't this the government for the people

763
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: by other people? So yeah, when he says when I

764
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: wanted to return it to the people, I'm not sure

765
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: what he means is like that. I think I laugh

766
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: when I when I see those same clips because you

767
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: see him out on YouTube or some of the social

768
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: media where he's saying, you know, you gotta return this

769
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: land to the to the people. Is this trying to

770
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: gain public opinion? Is this like a stunt to try

771
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: to gain Um, I guess public acceptance rates so that

772
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: somebody you would say you know what these guys are right,

773
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: we need to sell all this land. I think that's

774
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: what it is, guys, in its bigger picture. If it

775
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: was really a constitutional and legal issue, there are very

776
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: smart mountains that you know. I gave the example of

777
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: amount of states legal foundation. There are very smart legal

778
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: minds in many places that are promoting this cause. If

779
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 1: it was strictly a legal and constitutional issue, it would

780
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: have been in courts and solved a long time ago.

781
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: It's being in courts many times in it's always been

782
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: solved against their favor. So now the mantra, the narrative,

783
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: the talking point is these lands are a burden, these

784
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: lands are this, these lands hurt you know, the rural

785
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: last blah blah blah blah blah. And it's building and

786
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: kind of backfilling a legislative effort that we're starting to

787
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: see at the state level in the US, and we

788
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: will be seeing at the national level. I've been to

789
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: DC twice and last year on this issue, and you

790
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: see a lot of now national level politicians taking that

791
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: as the narratives going forward on public lets Let's just

792
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: sell them, let's just give them to the states, Let's

793
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: tell them let's and so I do think a lot

794
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: of what we're hearing, a lot of this effort, a

795
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: lot of the volume being turned up, is part of

796
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: that longer term strategy. They have to convince Americans that

797
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: these lands are a burden, their pain in the butt,

798
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, let's just sell them. And you know,

799
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,479
Speaker 1: if they are able to accomplish that, well, shame on us.

800
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: So I want I want to dive into a few

801
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: of the things you mentioned there, Randy, dive deeper into

802
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: some of the motivations for some of these things, a

803
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: little more of the history you touched on some of it, um.

804
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: But before that, I kind of forgot to speak to

805
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: this at the beginning. We've mentioned it before, but I

806
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: just want to re emphasize the fact that this really

807
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: is an issue that isn't just a Western issue. You know,

808
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: this is also something that I think should be very

809
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: important to a white tail hunter in Michigan, or a

810
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: turkey hunter in Georgia, or a you know, a grouse

811
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: hunter in New Hampshire or whatever it might be, because

812
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: you know, this is first and foremost, there are national

813
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: lands and national forests and public federal public land, not

814
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: just in the West, but all across the country. I

815
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: mean there's tons of deer hunters hunting national forest in

816
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: Michigan and Wisconsin and Minnesota, West Virginia, Ohio is huge

817
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: national forest lands, and in places like that that. If

818
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: all these types of these types of things happen, now

819
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, if you're one of those public land hunters,

820
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: you're in serious trouble. On the other hand, if you

821
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: are a private land hunter, you know, even as private

822
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: land hunters, we can we complain about issues with increasing

823
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: hunting pressure and struggling with with finding places to hunt

824
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: in different things like that. Well, what happens if millions

825
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: of acres of public land all of a sudden start

826
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: getting sold off in your neck of the woods, Now

827
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a whole lot more competition to try

828
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: to find somewhere to hunt, even if you are on

829
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: private land. UM. And then third, if you ever do

830
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: have a dream of someday going out and hunting deer

831
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: or elk or whatever it might be in one of

832
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: these other Western states closer to you, Randy, that I

833
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: think a lot of people do have a desire to experience,

834
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: whether it be to hunt fish, camp hike, UM, if

835
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: you have a dream of someday doing that, well, this

836
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: is going to have a significant impact on that future

837
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: for you or your children or your grandchildren. Um So,

838
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: I just want to I just want to jump in

839
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: here and re emphasize that this isn't something for white

840
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: tail guys in you know, Louisiana to turn your ears

841
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: off to. If you're in Texas or Michigan or Indiana.

842
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: I mean, this is something that I think all of

843
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: us hunters need to stand up and take a stand on.

844
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: Um It's not something just for Randy Newburg and Montana.

845
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: This is also something for Dan Johnson Iowa. UM So,

846
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: I'll just use an example that has been with some

847
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: of my friends. You know, again, I grew up in

848
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: Minnesota and and you're in Iowa. To the Upper Mississippi

849
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: River National Wildlife Refuge is between Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Iowa.

850
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 1: And the number of friends I have who deer hunt there,

851
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: waterfowl hunt there, it gets ad a lot of hunting

852
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: presure simply because it's trade hunting. It's near places where

853
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: hunting access would be difficult. These proposals are to sell that.

854
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: So who's going to be the guy who goes and

855
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: buys that prime whitetail ground. Someone's going to buy it.

856
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: And I don't think they're gonna say, oh, everybody, come

857
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: and hunt my great white tail hunting here in northeast

858
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: Iowa or southeast Minnesota or western Wisconsin. I suspect they're

859
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: gonna say no trespassing here, folks. Um And so that

860
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: there's so many federal land I don't care if we're

861
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: talking to boat ramps where you launch on the river

862
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: that when you start rolling back the covers of what

863
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: this argument really is about, it's it's an argument of

864
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: we don't want public access as it currently exists to

865
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 1: be there, and we want these lands in the hands

866
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 1: of private parties because we have a ideology that private

867
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: industry is where things should be. And I don't argue

868
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: that private industry that efficient. I mean, I started and

869
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: built my own businesses and I'm thankful for the returns

870
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: on that. But I think in this country we also

871
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: one of the things that makes our country so great

872
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: because we do have these public lands. We do have

873
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: opportunities for the average person to go to hunt if

874
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: we have the bird watch, whatever it is, and that

875
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: makes us different than other places. And it's politicians think

876
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: that they want to sell all of these wildlife areas,

877
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: all of these volte rams, all these fishing access sites. Well,

878
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: for me, it'll be the old over my dead body. Um,

879
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: you know it's it's not going to happen. And I

880
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: don't care where I lived. My attachment to hunting and

881
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: fishing in the outdoors is I said, I'm not going

882
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: to stand there and just let it happen. And the

883
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: argument I use with a lot of the politicians who

884
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: are trying to push this is I give them the

885
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: studies that we're done by the National Shooting Sports Foundation.

886
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: That's a the number one reason people quit hunting, the

887
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: number one reason they don't hunt as much as they

888
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: previously did, and the number one reason cited for why

889
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: they don't get into hunting if they come from a

890
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: hunting family is access accessible lands. So how do you

891
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: go on this idea that we should get rid of

892
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: all these lands the public uses for this hunting access

893
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: and yet try to convince me that you're in favor

894
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: of hunting. I'm not, Brian. So that's that's why to me,

895
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: it's it's very important no matter where you live in

896
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: this country, because it's the public lands, the federal lands

897
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: in the southeast and the northeast in the Upper Midwest

898
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: probably get a far higher use rate van the private

899
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 1: lands as far as hunter days per ache, or however

900
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: you'd want to measure it. You know, I grew up

901
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: in northern Minnesota. We had Superior National Forest. Over in

902
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: Northeast Minnesota, we had Chippewa National Forest, and the deer

903
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: hunting pressure on those lands was in tents and it

904
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: created an opportunity for hundreds of thousands of people. So

905
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: now we're going to sell those where those people gonna

906
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: hunt if they don't have the money to go buy

907
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: some of it themselves. So damn Yeah, it's not just

908
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: a Randy newbridge in the West this year, I guess

909
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: is it's the point that you brought up, Mark and

910
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: I can we agree. Yeah. It concerns me that different

911
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: factions try to position this is one thing or another,

912
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: or they'll try to position the groups that are fighting

913
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: for protections public lands as anti hunting. I don't know

914
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: if you've seen any of the green decoy stuff, but

915
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: some of that stuff is ridiculous, and it's trying to

916
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: split hunters up and say this isn't an issue for you,

917
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: or this is an issue that environmentalists are pushing, so

918
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: you shouldn't support it. Um And I just want to

919
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: make very clear, you know, by having you here to

920
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: discuss these things with us. So this is a a

921
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: hunter issue, not just a certain type of hunter, not

922
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: a certain type of person. This is an American hunter

923
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: issue that we all really need to to be aware

924
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: of and take action on. Right, Yeah, I agree. And

925
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: then the thing if you want to get a politician

926
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: worked up who claims to represent hunters but he is

927
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: supporting this cause, I just don't, Well, your actions are

928
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: the same as the anti hunters. Oh my goodness, the

929
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: blood pressures like and I just don't look the study

930
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: show what you are proposing is one of the the

931
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: huge jobs that goes away facing nine accessible places to hunt.

932
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: Why are you hammering us? Why why do you want

933
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: to take land away from us? And for the most part,

934
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: they don't have an answer. They usually has politicians are

935
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: good at They usually change the topic, um or they

936
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: give some party line of this or that. But yeah,

937
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: what's kind of is Oh, go ahead, I'm sorry. No,

938
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: I just gonna say it is a real and present threat.

939
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: I used to just kind of push it aside, like

940
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: how that will never happen. But now seeing the amount

941
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: of money that is behind the effort, seeing their strategic

942
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: plans that they have at a national level, mostly in Congress,

943
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: it is no longer a a just fringe element that

944
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: you can ignore. The time has come for owners to

945
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: take it seriously. So they sit there and they say, okay,

946
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: well if you sell, if you sell this state to

947
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: this land to the state, then the state sells it

948
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: and that's going to help maybe boost the economy of

949
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: that state just a little bit, get you know, get

950
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: some some money flowing into the economy. But at the

951
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: same time, when you take away hunting land from the hunters,

952
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's got to be some kind of negative

953
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: effect to the economy as well. Is that something you'd

954
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: like to speak on. Oh, I mean, I'll just usually

955
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: examples in the Western states, UM, rural western states, and

956
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: I'll even dall in more. In my state of Montana, UM,

957
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: the little outlying communities used to be a hunting season

958
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: was their second car. This season, you could not get

959
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: him on telo and you'd have to stand in line

960
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: and right first seat at a restaurant. The gas stations

961
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: were just you know, humpered a bumper with hunter or

962
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: staffing up. And over the last twenty years there's been

963
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: a lot more of leashing of property or there's been

964
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: property that's been bought up that it's people who just

965
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: they don't want any hunting. Then they don't lease to

966
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: an effort, or they don't leave to a private party.

967
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: They just want wildlife and they don't have any hunting.

968
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: That's really impacted these small communities in rural Montana because

969
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: they no longer have this big dan flux of hunters

970
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: because there's no place there far fewer places to hunt

971
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: in hunters of just you know what, I'm not going

972
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: to drive ten hours, twelve hours just to go someplace

973
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: and that somewhere to hunt. So that that's just a

974
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: very small example, but there's a lot of examples where

975
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: the hunting economy is very important for rural America during

976
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: times of the year. Um and it's right now we're

977
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: seeing a big bust after a big boom in oil

978
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: and gas economy. And if there's one thing that's always

979
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: been there with the in any economy, the recreation and

980
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,439
Speaker 1: outdoor economy, it's been pretty predictable and pretty consistent. It's

981
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: not subject to the booms and bus of a lot

982
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: of our other stuffs. But I think at times we

983
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: as hunters entertanans. He did not interject that, but it

984
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: is a very important part too many of the places

985
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: that we traveled to. And I think another thing worth

986
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: noting is that you know, these public lands, they aren't

987
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: just used by hunters, but also fishermen, hikers, campers, horseback

988
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: riders in many cases, whatever might be. And that large

989
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: or just not just the hunting industry, but the tourism

990
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: industry as a whole, I think is really substantial. I think,

991
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, it was either Montana or Wyoming.

992
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: I was looking at that. That's like the number two

993
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: industry in the entire state. So I mean, we're talking serious,

994
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: serious money, right, Randy, Yeah, you are. And you know

995
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: it struck me. Is out on my forearm. I have

996
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: a big web form called hunt Talking. We've been talking

997
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: about this a lot, and one of the people sent

998
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: me an email and said, did you know this was

999
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: going on in Wisconsin? And so they sent me all

1000
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: the information and I think it's two to late two

1001
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: thousands thirteen, Wisconsin passed a lot that said they have

1002
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: to sell ten thousand acres of state land. Um and

1003
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: they identified it's got to be landlocked or not, I

1004
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: got to have difficult access blah blah blah blah blah.

1005
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: And so I posted a comment out there about it

1006
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: on my website, and I could not believe how many

1007
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: Wisconsin guys showed up and either posted or sent me

1008
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: private messages. It said, I may not hunt that line,

1009
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: but I use that land to get to this lake,

1010
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: or to get to this fishing spot, or I trapped

1011
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: that land or whatever. And and so there's there's a

1012
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: whole lot of other activities going on on these lands. Uh.

1013
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: And when I heard all these comments from Wisconsin, it

1014
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: really opened my eyes to how many other uses there

1015
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 1: are to these lands for outgod people, besides just the fact,

1016
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: you know how I like to Hey, I like to

1017
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:08,439
Speaker 1: fund there. So it was great anile. All right, Now,

1018
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: before we go ahead with the next question for Randy,

1019
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,439
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Speaker 1: And now let's get back to the show. Yeah, and

1048
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: I think I think that's another one of those those

1049
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: pieces of the puzzle here that sometimes gets overlooked that

1050
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, these types of changes, if we take away

1051
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: these these landscapes, it's impacting a whole lot of different

1052
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: people that you know, we need to look bringing all

1053
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: these different people together to support what we're trying to

1054
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: do here protecting these public places. Um. Now I want

1055
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: to take a step back though, because you know, when

1056
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: someone looks at this issue, they hear about it, maybe

1057
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: a sound bite. There's like some common questions like, well,

1058
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: why is that bad? Or why would they say that?

1059
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: And we covered a little bit of it. But one

1060
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: of the pieces that one of the lines that we

1061
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: hear a lot, and you mentioned earlier, is the fact

1062
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: that this is a constitutional issue the federal government. Is

1063
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: this federal overreach. You know, there's a lot of federal

1064
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: government haters that are saying that this is an issue

1065
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: of the federal federal government trying to take too much

1066
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: control and they shouldn't have all this land, etcetera, etcetera. Um,

1067
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: can you explain the history of how states got certain

1068
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: allocations of land and the federal government got certain allocations

1069
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: of landing some of these states out west where this

1070
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: is a super super big issue because I think a

1071
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: lot of people don't even understand that. And then that

1072
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: I think when you do understand that some of these

1073
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: other things have less uh less power when this so

1074
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: and so says it. Yeah, So the way each state

1075
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: was admitted to the Union is slightly different. So we

1076
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: all have what are called enabling acts, in other words,

1077
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: the act that allowed the state to become a member

1078
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: of the Union of the country. The original thirteen colonies

1079
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: became states under a way different premise than say Arizona,

1080
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: which I link with nineteen twelve, or Alaska and Hawaii

1081
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: which were ninety nine. But and there's only this statement

1082
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: of let's give the land back to the states is

1083
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: what you'll commonly here. And that's such a false premise

1084
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: because the state's never really own these lands. When Thomas

1085
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: Jefferson from France got from France the Louisiana Purchase, which

1086
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: covered most of the Missouri River drainage all the way

1087
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: through Montana and Idaho and I mean to Louisiana. That

1088
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: was federal land. It wasn't like the states at that time,

1089
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: which were I mean it was all indigenous people live

1090
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: in here at that time. It's not like they ever

1091
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: had that land. So so that in itself is a

1092
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: false argument. They know it, but it sounds good to say, well,

1093
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: let's give it back to the states. Well, the state's

1094
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: never around at the start with, so let's then think

1095
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: about and again I'll use Montana just because I live

1096
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: here and it's it's a relevant example. When Montana became

1097
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: a state in eighteen was eighty nine, and I believe

1098
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: the federal government said in when I say, they gave

1099
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: Montana two sections out of each township. For those who

1100
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: are not familiar with township range sections, um, every township

1101
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: is six square miles or six miles wide by six

1102
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: miles north and south, So you have thirty six square

1103
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: miles within each township, and each one of those thirty

1104
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: six square miles is considered a section. A section as

1105
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: sixty acres. So when Montana became a state, the federal

1106
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: government said, we're going to thank you for the funding

1107
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: of your school systems. Section sixteen and section thirty six.

1108
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,919
Speaker 1: In every township within your borders, that's what you will

1109
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: get as your lands to fund your state schools. Montana

1110
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: then signed its enabling act that said, we agree with

1111
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: that we hear by relinquish all of our rights blah

1112
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: blah blah to any future claims to these lands. They

1113
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: did that. Everyone on a long may, great or happy

1114
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: tries to make some money off those lands so that

1115
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: they can fund their school system. That's how these lands

1116
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: became state lands. The states or the federal government retained

1117
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: rights to all the other lands, and then through the

1118
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: Homestead Acts and other stuff, the federal government granted lands

1119
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: to private individuals through other legislation. But that is how

1120
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: the states ended up with a lot of land in

1121
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: the West, and in the West we had different enabling acts.

1122
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: They enabling acts, I think pretty much since Nevada forward

1123
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: and Nevada is a strange situation because it's uh. If

1124
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,959
Speaker 1: you think about Nevada, it's the motto is called battle Born.

1125
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: I think it became a state in eighteen sixty three

1126
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: or sixty four during the Civil War, and even though

1127
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: they didn't have the population or otherwise they really meet

1128
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: the requirements of being a state. The North wanted more

1129
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: states on their side, so they admit that Nevada to

1130
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: the Union, and they did it in a way that

1131
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: some say, oh, it was kind of a mess and

1132
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't done right, Dadada. But Nevada was one of

1133
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: the first Western states that gave up rights to any

1134
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: of the federal lands within its founders. And then you

1135
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: go to Utah or Zonning, New Mexico, color and all

1136
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: the rest of them kind of followed that same path.

1137
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: So the Western states, they're enabling acts when they became

1138
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: part of the Union, they specifically say that stated, we

1139
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: will give up any claim any future claim to the

1140
01:03:56,240 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: federal lands in exchange forgetting as I explained, Sections sixteen.

1141
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: In Section six in Utah, they didn't get two sections

1142
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: out of each township. They got four sections out of

1143
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: each township. So each it ended up with a different

1144
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: percentage of land granted to them by this idea government

1145
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: that said, hey, you can now least these lands, you

1146
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: can develop them, whatever you can do with them to

1147
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 1: raise money. It should help fund your school system into

1148
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: the Still to date, these lands in Western states are

1149
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: a big source of funding our education systems, and that's important.

1150
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: Sorry Randy, that I was gonna stay up. That's an

1151
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: important thing to note, right that these state lands are

1152
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: there for not just you know, some of the same

1153
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: mandates that are in federal land. But as for the states,

1154
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: it is a funding source. It is something that's supposed

1155
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: to be used to profit and to pay for whatever

1156
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: things need to be paid for within the state. So

1157
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: that right there, I think speaks to one of the

1158
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: great risks of transferring these lands to the state is

1159
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: that you go from lands managed and owned by the

1160
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: federal government where they have to be managed for multiple uses.

1161
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: So some of that will be at least maybe some

1162
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: of that will be for habitats, some of that will

1163
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: be open to hunters, fishermen, hikers, etcetera. When that goes

1164
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: to the state, that all changes, and all of a sudden,

1165
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: this could all of a sudden be looked at simply

1166
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: as a profit center, isn't that? Isn't that right? That

1167
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: is correct. All of the Western states, when they became states,

1168
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: they set up these state landboards to hold these lands,

1169
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: and they're called state trust lands. And if you ever

1170
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: look at a surface map they're the light blue splares

1171
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: on your surface map. So these Western states set up

1172
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: these state landboards, being constitutionally, the state landboards are required

1173
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: to manage these assets, these lands for a profit. So

1174
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: I'll give you a great example of what happens when

1175
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: they're not profitable, or you're going to have the same requirement.

1176
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: They have a state landboard. And anyone who knows organ

1177
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: knows there's a big timber industry in Oregon. So in

1178
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:01,959
Speaker 1: the fall of two thousand four, after years and years

1179
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: of litigation by groups who didn't want a logging to

1180
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: happen on what's called the Elliott State Forest, you know,

1181
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: and one of their most highly used state forests, they

1182
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: were losing money, losing money because they could no longer

1183
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: generate timber proceeds. Wow, they sold it. They put it

1184
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: up for set, and they didn't sell it. They put

1185
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: it up for sell. I notified everybody that hey, we're

1186
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: going to sell this because it's losing money. Constitutionally, we

1187
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: have to do this. Well, that created a big stir

1188
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: and everyone got upset. So the landboard kind of pulled

1189
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: it back. Now, last I heard it was they couldn't

1190
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: find a solution that can't continue to hold it anymore.

1191
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: And I believe that that land has been sold, there

1192
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 1: is being sold, and that's ninety thousand acres of state

1193
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: land that's going to be sold to private parties because

1194
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: that state could no longer make money. And that's that's

1195
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: land that hunters have been using to this point, right

1196
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: for years, yeah, for years. So Utah is really pushing

1197
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: this heavily. So they did an eight hundred page study.

1198
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: They hired this group to do a study of could

1199
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: Utah floor to take over the federal lands within its state?

1200
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:17,919
Speaker 1: And the economists who did this, they came forward and said, well,

1201
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: as oil and gas prices stayed and I can't remember,

1202
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: they had a bottom threshold of seventy some dollars a

1203
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: barrel and kind of a break even threshold of ninety

1204
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: some dollars a barrel. That then you talked with the

1205
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 1: floord to pay for weeds, roads and maintenance, pay the

1206
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: taxes that they federal government currently pays on these lands.

1207
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Well, let's oil and gas at right now.

1208
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: US that checked this learning, I think the West Texas

1209
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: crude was hovering right around thirty dollars a barrel and

1210
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: the long term forecasts is going to be under fifty

1211
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: dollars a barrel for a long time. So how would

1212
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: Utah under that scenario pay for all these lands they're

1213
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: now going to take over that we currently have access

1214
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: to know what the reality is, They can't and their

1215
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: constitution says they would have to sell them, just like

1216
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: Oregon is going to sell the Elliott's. Thereforest's again uncertain.

1217
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: And for anyone listening, small government guy, I'm a c

1218
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: p A. In my other life, my job is to

1219
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: disinherit the federal treasury, and my daily life is arguing

1220
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 1: with the I R S. So I fully get the

1221
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: the government overreached the headache that you know all that

1222
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 1: I come from a logging family. I don't need any

1223
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: uh you know, any more than what I already have

1224
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: for life. Examples of those frustrations. But what's happening is

1225
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: people with a motive of getting rid of these public

1226
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 1: lands are using these frustrations in this crisis to try

1227
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 1: and leverage their long term goal to get these public

1228
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 1: lands out of public hands. That's what it really boils

1229
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: down too. So let's let's speak to something you alluded to.

1230
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: Their little bit of the management of these lands and

1231
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 1: how you know, could the state afford to handle management?

1232
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 1: And you explained how that would be a struggle for

1233
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: a lot of states. But what about on the federal

1234
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:20,560
Speaker 1: side right now? One of the arguments that these pro transfer,

1235
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 1: pro sale of public lands people are saying is that, well,

1236
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: the federal government is mismanaging all these lands. It's horribly managed,

1237
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: it's not handled well. The states can do better. What

1238
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: do you state to that? Randy Well, I was in

1239
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: Congress UH tastifying in front of the House Natural Resources

1240
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: Federal Lands Subcommittee UH last April, and I was there

1241
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 1: to talk about the economic value public lands provide in

1242
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: Montana to our our small businesses. Also, there was an economist,

1243
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: very smart guy, who said, here's all the things the

1244
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:57,719
Speaker 1: states do better in managing lands that the federal government

1245
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 1: doesn't do. He talked about the the fact that the

1246
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 1: federal government charges about one eighth to one tenth of

1247
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: the least rate for past degrading, that state's charge that

1248
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,839
Speaker 1: they charge half of the coal royalty rate. They charge

1249
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: it only like two thirds, sometimes a half to two

1250
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: thirds of the state oil and gas royalty rate. So

1251
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,640
Speaker 1: they went to this big list of things, where in

1252
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,679
Speaker 1: the fact, Congress is giving away a lot of value

1253
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: on our skun our federal lands that the states, by

1254
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 1: their constitutions can't give it away. They have to charge

1255
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: the most. So the pro sell, the pro state takeover,

1256
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: whatever you wanna call it, the to transfer. Congress people

1257
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 1: in that committee, we're patting that that guy on the back,

1258
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: that economists. Yeah, that's right, that's that's how the the

1259
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: federal government is kind of messing things up, and how

1260
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 1: the states do such a great job. Blah blah blah.

1261
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: Three weeks later, the Secretary of Interior goes in front

1262
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: of the same committee and suggests those changes that this

1263
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: economists had just mentioned. Those those same people who thought

1264
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 1: the economist was a genius, now tell the Secretary of

1265
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: Interior what an idiot she is. It's like the problem

1266
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 1: of how these lands are managed lies at the feet

1267
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: of Congress. Congress could change it if they wanted to,

1268
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,919
Speaker 1: but they don't want to. When we said the fads,

1269
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: the damn Feds. This the fads that the Feds are, Congress,

1270
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 1: and anything that the Feds are currently not doing with

1271
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 1: their lands that the states are, the Feds could easily

1272
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 1: do that if Congress had the gumption to stand up

1273
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: and manage those lands the way they should be, But

1274
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: they don't. It's just there's some in Congress who do

1275
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 1: not want those lands men are properly because if they

1276
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 1: were managed better, that would defeat their long term argument,

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01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 1: their long term goal. Do you think that there is

1278
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: some of that actually happening in that members of Congress

1279
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: or these committees or whatever are purposely starving the Force

1280
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: Service budget or the BLM budget are the things just

1281
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 1: to help improve their argument that the federal government can't

1282
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: manage these things, that they should be transferred and then

1283
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 1: eventually sold. Absolutely, I have no doubt about it. And

1284
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: the fact that a bunch of Congress people sitting on

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01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: the House Natural Resource Committee, the committee in charge of

1286
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: these lands, would say, yeah, that's why the states do

1287
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 1: such a great job. And then when the same exact

1288
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: almost their datam recommendations are made for how the fads

1289
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,879
Speaker 1: could improve the management of those lands, those same Congress

1290
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 1: people run the secretary out into the streets screaming and

1291
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: yelling at it. That tells me the people have known

1292
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 1: drifts in proper Land management is about ideologies, and so

1293
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: let's a lot of people may not be aware of

1294
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: how wildfire funding happens in the West. So the four

1295
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: Service owns a lot of the public kimberland in the West,

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01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: and when the Mississippi River flood, their hurricane hits the

1297
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:27,680
Speaker 1: Gulf Coast, or an earthquake hits California, or tornadoes at

1298
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: the Midwest, who shows up femous Federal Emergency Management Agency.

1299
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: Congress issues as inappropriation and says we're going to take

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01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: care of that natural catastrophe through a special funding from Congress.

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01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 1: That's not how they deal with fires. A lot of

1302
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 1: people think that's how they do it with fires. Here's

1303
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: how it works with fires, Congress says, for Service, here's

1304
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 1: your budget. Oh yeah, we're cutting it more this year,

1305
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: and we're cutting it more this year. You know, when

1306
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: fires flare up, you better put them out. We're not

1307
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: giving you any money to put them out. You have

1308
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: to take that money out of your operating budgets. Your

1309
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 1: budgets that were there for roads, that were there for

1310
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: water against that we're there to get timber sales done.

1311
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,719
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah. All that money gets taken away

1312
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 1: from operating budgets to use for wildfire fighting. The same

1313
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 1: people in Congress who complain about the SAIDs refused to

1314
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: set up a separate funding mechanism for the natural catastrophe

1315
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: of wildfires. Why why wildfire to get treated differently than

1316
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: you know, floods and tornadoes and hurricanes. I don't know.

1317
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 1: But if you want to raise the hackles of some

1318
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 1: congressman who wants to take your public plans, don't suggest

1319
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:44,560
Speaker 1: to him that he changed the funding for how wildfire

1320
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: fighting is funded him. His eye will bug out, he'll

1321
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 1: get livid, it'll it'll tell you what a stupid idea

1322
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: that is. And those of us who aren't in d

1323
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:58,759
Speaker 1: see all the time are candis catching their heads and really,

1324
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,639
Speaker 1: why have that's such a dumb idea. So the flip

1325
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,640
Speaker 1: side of that thing is they will say, well, the

1326
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 1: Forest Service has a big backlog on road maintenance, they

1327
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: have a big backlog on weed control. They have this

1328
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: big backlog for this and this and this, and you

1329
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: guys didn't get enough timber sales done this year. Well,

1330
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: it's all of the foresters and timber managers and road

1331
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: people and everyone else are out fighting fires and all

1332
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 1: their budget is allocated to fighting fires, or half of

1333
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 1: their budgets. How are they supposed to do the rest

1334
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:31,600
Speaker 1: of their work. So it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy

1335
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: of them wanting the federal government agencies to be underfunded.

1336
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 1: And I'm all about, you know, being as fiscally frugal

1337
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: as possible, but you also have to give them the

1338
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: resources to do the job that you ask them to do.

1339
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 1: And Congress could fix a lot of that, but they

1340
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 1: don't want it. So any other any other person would

1341
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: be fired for sand bad Yeah, you would be. I mean,

1342
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 1: I mean if Congress was saying, we were shareholders, and

1343
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: Congress was the board of directors of the corporation, and

1344
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 1: the board of directors was given a proposal by some

1345
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 1: consultants to say, hey, we can get a much greater

1346
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 1: return on your assets. One of our competitors is doing this.

1347
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 1: We would like to do the same thing, but your

1348
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: board of directors said, no, we reject that idea. The

1349
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:39,440
Speaker 1: shareholders would remove that director or that board of directors immediately.

1350
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: I mean, we we would laugh at the stupidity of

1351
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: that happening. But in Congress you're allowed to do that.

1352
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 1: It so, and as you can probably gather, when Randy

1353
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 1: goes to d C or I go across the west,

1354
01:16:55,920 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 1: meaning with congressional people. Um, I I'm not always given

1355
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:05,759
Speaker 1: the warm welcome that they so that that would imply

1356
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 1: I care. So tell us more, tell us more about

1357
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: these meetings that you have, Rainny, what's it like, what's

1358
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: the And you've kind of alluded to a little bit,

1359
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 1: But when you go to d C to have these conversations,

1360
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 1: what's the feedback you're getting? How are people taking what

1361
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 1: your side of this issue? Um, it's it's a mix. Um.

1362
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 1: Some are they're supporting our cause. Um, there are some

1363
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,759
Speaker 1: people who are still, you know, feel there's a value

1364
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 1: in public plans. Ah. And then there are some who

1365
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: just say, you know, this is such a low priority

1366
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 1: list item, thanks for your time, blah blah blah. And

1367
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:50,640
Speaker 1: then there are those who say, yeah, we're glad to

1368
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,679
Speaker 1: see it's low on the priority list of many because

1369
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: that allows us to accomplish our objective. And so the

1370
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: within Congress itself, there's a growing frustration about how federal

1371
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 1: lands are managed. But they're the ones who can fix

1372
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 1: the problem, but they don't want to fix it. Okay,

1373
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 1: so we don't have many timber sales on fedder Land

1374
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 1: anymore because in our trade deals we let the Canadians

1375
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,640
Speaker 1: flug the softwood lumber market. It's it really doesn't have

1376
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: as much to do with the florist service as it

1377
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: does just the market. The Canadians subsidize their logging industry.

1378
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 1: You get paid for building roads in Canada, your stumpage

1379
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 1: is free. There's no terraffs, So the Canadians can flood

1380
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 1: the softwoo lumber market in America anytime they want. Well,

1381
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 1: week Tigers could change that and make it more profitable

1382
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: to be a logger a mail owner in the United States,

1383
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 1: but they're not going to Congress could change the fact

1384
01:18:56,360 --> 01:19:00,680
Speaker 1: that states, and they could change is the fact of

1385
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 1: what they charged for a cold royalty or an oil

1386
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: and gas royalty. And here's the flip side of that

1387
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 1: is whatever state that resource is located and they get

1388
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: a portion of that royalty, that federal royalty, it gets

1389
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 1: split with the states and the federal government. So by

1390
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: them keeping that royalty artificially low, they're hurting the states.

1391
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: In addition to giving it away too. And this is

1392
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 1: purely my opinion, they are giving it away as their

1393
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 1: manner of repaying political favors. I mean, one of the

1394
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: currencies of the West is public resources. They get repaid

1395
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: or used to repay political favors. I wish I could

1396
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 1: say it was different. Sometimes it's quite discrete. Some some

1397
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 1: instances are just so blatant that you shake your head

1398
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: and say, really so kind of like a guy's goes, hey,

1399
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'll help fund your campaign, but you gotta

1400
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 1: make make sure I get a little section of this

1401
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 1: trout stream in Montana or not quite that blatant, but

1402
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 1: we we will put a bunch of money in your

1403
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: political campaign, but we want to make sure that oil

1404
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: and gas royalties stayed low. Guess what, the guy gets elected.

1405
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:24,639
Speaker 1: The Secretary of Interior comes forward and says, we the DLM,

1406
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: the largest holder of oil and gas interests in North America.

1407
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 1: I think we should raise our royalty rate to be

1408
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: equivalent to the states in which we are operating. That

1409
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: politician who has received all those donations from that group

1410
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 1: all of a sudden attacks the Secretary of Interior, and

1411
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:44,719
Speaker 1: then the next day he's out there on the streets

1412
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,560
Speaker 1: complaining how poorly the federal lands are managed and that

1413
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: the states do a better drop you know, and I

1414
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: don't mean to pick on a long gas you know,

1415
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 1: I use oil and gas. I'm just using that as

1416
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 1: as an example. It could be you know, somebody who

1417
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 1: say is, you know, I want to have water rights,

1418
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 1: I want to have some sort of irrigation rights and

1419
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 1: make sure that no one else can make a claim,

1420
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, And so they make the donation

1421
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:14,799
Speaker 1: to a politician, and the politician all of a sudden

1422
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 1: gums up any resolution of a lot of the water

1423
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 1: rights adjudications and battles that we have in the last

1424
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 1: where water is very scarce. It's just so blatant. In

1425
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 1: many instances, it's dumbfounding that they can't get better with.

1426
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 1: Oh well, so so we're talking a lot about through

1427
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: the through this whole issue. We're talking about they and

1428
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 1: them and these people and these organizations. Who are these people?

1429
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 1: Who are these organizations, Randy, Who are we actually talking

1430
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 1: about that is supporting this? I think, you know, if

1431
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 1: we can all decide that this is an important thing,

1432
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 1: we need to know who we need to start talking

1433
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:54,719
Speaker 1: to to making a difference. Who who are these people

1434
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 1: in organizations? And that's where it gets to be difficult,

1435
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 1: because since the City of Sidney nine case that it

1436
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: hits the Supreme Court in two thousand and ten, and

1437
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court said that corporations have the right to

1438
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: free speech and that they can participate in elections, and

1439
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: it got rid of a whole bunch of the disclosure

1440
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 1: requirements and reporting requirements. We don't know who they is

1441
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 1: or them or that group because they use five O

1442
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: one s for organizations five oh ones nine, I mean no,

1443
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: I might have that long. I know they use a

1444
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: five one seed flours where you don't have to disclose

1445
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 1: who gave you your money and you can engage in

1446
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 1: political activities. So we didn't We don't really know a

1447
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 1: lot of people are like Citizens United. What does that

1448
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:50,480
Speaker 1: mean that that didn't Well, it affects us. It allows

1449
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: industries to go and heavily fund political activities without being

1450
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 1: ratted out for lack of a better term, um And

1451
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 1: so there's no transparency to understand who donated to this

1452
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 1: senator or this congressman or congresswoman's cause. And is that

1453
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 1: affecting their positions on public land policy? Is it you your?

1454
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: I mean part of it is you get a little

1455
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 1: feel in these back and forth arguments because you see

1456
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: if he shows up as the opposition when you are

1457
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 1: they're promoting a policy that would help improve public land management,

1458
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 1: and they show up opposed to it just by default,

1459
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 1: they trying to show their hand a little bit. Is

1460
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 1: it fair to say that in many cases or is

1461
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 1: it fair to assume maybe I'm wrong here? But from

1462
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 1: a lot of things I've heard when I've done my

1463
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 1: own research and looking into this, it seems like a

1464
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 1: lot of the money that's being put into this type

1465
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 1: of work is coming from industry people that would rather

1466
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 1: extract profit out of these lands, whether it be by

1467
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 1: sale or you know, their use of it. That is

1468
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 1: their motivation, and it sounds like a lot of the

1469
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,679
Speaker 1: the motivation and money and energy is coming from that side,

1470
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 1: pushing a lot of these politicians say hey, let's let's

1471
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 1: do this because it's good for the economy and it's

1472
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:10,839
Speaker 1: also good for business. Not obviously we're all pro business,

1473
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: pro a lot of these things. But at the same time,

1474
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 1: I imagine there might be something going on there too, right.

1475
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 1: That's I mean, we've always in America had industry organizations

1476
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 1: involved themselves in policy to the extent they can um

1477
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:32,520
Speaker 1: so a lot of instances you will have a discussion

1478
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 1: about okay, this is going through. It's like water quality.

1479
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,879
Speaker 1: You know, have somebody who's using the landscape to extractor

1480
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: resource who says, we want to low us level of

1481
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 1: regulation because for us to comply with a higher level

1482
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,440
Speaker 1: hurts bye profit. And then you might have a community

1483
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 1: who needs that water for its water, so saying, hey,

1484
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 1: wait a second, we we drink this water. This is

1485
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:03,639
Speaker 1: an absolute fundamental part of living water um. And so

1486
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 1: very often it is private interests to have either economic

1487
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 1: value at stake. Sometimes it's ideal just strictly ideological interests

1488
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 1: at steak um. And a lot of times we don't

1489
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 1: know who it is. It's individuals with really really big

1490
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 1: checks that are are funding a lot of the campaigns

1491
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 1: that are are the politicians who would like to take

1492
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: your public lands. Let's talk about that. So so, but

1493
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 1: and I just want to preface that, guys, but you know,

1494
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:40,759
Speaker 1: my brother is still a logger. My dad was a logger.

1495
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 1: I would probably be a logger except for the fact

1496
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: that I was the worst logger that ever ever tried

1497
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 1: to start a chainsaw. So my dad said, I don't

1498
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 1: know any money to send you to college, but you

1499
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 1: better figured out because you're terrible logger. So I have

1500
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 1: nothing against natural resources. I mean I use them. I'm

1501
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:01,640
Speaker 1: all in favor of smart use of our resources. But

1502
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: when that that discussion then becomes leveraged to a discussion

1503
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 1: of let's get these public lands out of public hands,

1504
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 1: then I'm I'm going to stand up and say something

1505
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, there's gotta be a threshold, there's gotta

1506
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: be some balance, and uh, you know, like you said,

1507
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 1: fair use, smart use of some of these things makes

1508
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 1: all the sense in the world. But if it gets

1509
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 1: so far out of the hand where we're actually getting

1510
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:31,639
Speaker 1: rid of them um or you know, keeping the public

1511
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 1: from the opportunities to use them, whatever might be, then

1512
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 1: I think to your point, and then somebody needs to

1513
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 1: stand up and say, Okay, things have gotten a little

1514
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: far too far in the other direction. So you mentioned campaigns, politics,

1515
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 1: all those things. In a lot of cases we may

1516
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 1: not know exactly where the money is going but or

1517
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 1: where it's coming from. But I think in some cases

1518
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: we do know where it's going. It's going to fund

1519
01:26:54,439 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 1: certain politicians, certain campaigns, et cetera. And I pursedly Randy

1520
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 1: hate getting into politics, because it's one of those things

1521
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 1: that people will automatically put up a wall when they

1522
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 1: hear certain words, or when they hear certain parties, or

1523
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: when they hear certain ideas because we have these super

1524
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 1: passion is really strong passions or ideologies that are embedded

1525
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:22,760
Speaker 1: in a lot of us. And what what bums me

1526
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 1: out in a lot of cases is that if we're

1527
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 1: just when you talk parties, sometimes issues become politicized as

1528
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 1: to one or the other side, and in the way

1529
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 1: things are going right, it's a huge divide in between.

1530
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 1: It's becoming a polarized political system where you are either

1531
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 1: this or you're that, and if you're that, I hate

1532
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 1: you and all that kind of stuff. This is one

1533
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 1: of those issues that has become has become politicized and

1534
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 1: has been adopted by a party, and I worry about

1535
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 1: that um and it makes it makes it tough for

1536
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 1: me as a voter too. And I imagine a lot

1537
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 1: of people listening. Can you can you speak to this

1538
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 1: at all? What what are we as hunters to do

1539
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 1: when we look at would have vote for who to support?

1540
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 1: When we're seeing some parties and representing the idea of

1541
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 1: selling off these lands, some parties being you know, in

1542
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 1: favor of protecting them but then wanting to take away

1543
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 1: our rights. Uh in other ways. How do you do

1544
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:17,720
Speaker 1: how do you make sense of all this? Randy? Yeah,

1545
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to make sense of because you're exactly

1546
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 1: right that we as a society are becoming more and

1547
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 1: more polarized. We we are more and more accepting of

1548
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm this label and someone else's that label. We like this,

1549
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 1: you know, kind of false dichotomy. This, this, this whole

1550
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 1: idea that if you're not with me on this, you

1551
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,599
Speaker 1: should be against me and everything else blah blah blah.

1552
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:48,480
Speaker 1: And so we end up in very often a discussion

1553
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 1: of someone saying, yeah, but I'm good on guns. Yeah,

1554
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: you can be good on guns and good on public lands.

1555
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 1: That it's not. It's not one or the other, it

1556
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: can be both. Then, so when we enter these discussions,

1557
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:08,879
Speaker 1: and I'm a very conservative person, I'm a conservative socially,

1558
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:15,600
Speaker 1: fiscally um and definitely right a center. But the unfortunate

1559
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:20,600
Speaker 1: fact that I cannot deny as a conservative person is

1560
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 1: every one of these efforts to rid us of the

1561
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 1: public lands have come from people who are of my

1562
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 1: same kind of feeling. Of conservative small government, frugality, blah

1563
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 1: blah blah. And that frustrates me because I can make

1564
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 1: a counter argument that, you know what, these public lands,

1565
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 1: at least where I live and a lot of other

1566
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 1: communities are a huge asset, a huge economic driver. But

1567
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 1: instantly that person wants to drag me into a you're

1568
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,680
Speaker 1: either with me or again me. You're either a Republican

1569
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 1: or a Democrat, or you're a liberal or a conservative.

1570
01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 1: What are you because you And it's almost like they

1571
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 1: want to say, I'm gonna be good on guns, but

1572
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be good on public lands because

1573
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 1: the other guys are are are not trying to take

1574
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 1: your public lands. So I got to have a position

1575
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: counter to them. So my position is I got to

1576
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 1: get rid of these public lands. I'm oversimplifying there, but

1577
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:25,600
Speaker 1: that's really this politicized environment forces they're not forces. Allows

1578
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 1: for people to take sides on what I'm what I

1579
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 1: think are They take sides based on arguments that are

1580
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 1: not complete. If the argument was complete, we could have

1581
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 1: a discussion of hey, there is a place for public lands.

1582
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 1: You don't have to be just one or the other.

1583
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 1: You you don't have to feel that because you're good

1584
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 1: on guns, you have to be bad on public lands,

1585
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 1: or because you're good on public lands that you have

1586
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 1: to be bad on guns, or you know, it doesn't

1587
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:01,560
Speaker 1: have to be gun, they be any other issue. That

1588
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 1: is primarily as a writer, left polar opposite on that topic.

1589
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 1: But it's it's a very hard discussion to have hunters

1590
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 1: get drawn into it. And I'm not a Republican and

1591
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:23,719
Speaker 1: I'm not a Democrat. I I am of the hunter, angler, fishing,

1592
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 1: hunting access. What's good for the future party is that

1593
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 1: I am, and anyone politician who doubts that, we'll quickly

1594
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 1: learn that. If you're on my side. Also, you know,

1595
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:38,599
Speaker 1: I'll give you all the praise in the world. If

1596
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 1: you're against me on those topics, I'm coming after you,

1597
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 1: and I don't really care what party you're with one

1598
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,600
Speaker 1: of the you know, the history of hunting and conservation

1599
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 1: in America is a remarkable story that goes back hundred

1600
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 1: thirty forty years ago where hunters started this. And it's

1601
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 1: only been the last hand sixteen years that we've allowed

1602
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 1: hunting and conservation and access to become a political issue.

1603
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 1: It used to be a political we're both sides would

1604
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 1: support what we were doing, and now it's been drawn

1605
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 1: into the political morass, and we as hunters. One of

1606
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 1: the problems we have that that makes us feel prepared

1607
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 1: to do battle over there in the political arena is

1608
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 1: one we just don't like politics too. We're kind of owners.

1609
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 1: We don't like to go out to speak and and talk.

1610
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 1: But probably institutionally the biggest problem we have as most

1611
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 1: of our advocacy and most of our representation comes through

1612
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 1: White Tails Unlimited or Ducks Unlimited or the Rocky Mountain

1613
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 1: Foundation five all one c three organizations who, by the

1614
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 1: very nature of the tax Club cannot get involved in

1615
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 1: Lobbanian politics. So these other groups are able to take

1616
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 1: our issues and drag him over into the political sphere,

1617
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 1: and we can't do much about it unless we individually

1618
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 1: engage in that. And when we do individually engage in it,

1619
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:11,680
Speaker 1: it splits hunting camps to houses, you know, brothers and

1620
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 1: cousins to argue about this or that, and then when

1621
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 1: everyone gets frustrated, to just try to divide ourselves along

1622
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:22,879
Speaker 1: a party line or liberal versus the conservative or whatever.

1623
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 1: To me, that is that's exactly how the opposition wins.

1624
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:30,800
Speaker 1: And when we decide we're going to let it be

1625
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 1: defined as a R or D, a left or right.

1626
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 1: This is an issue for about hunting and fishing. It's

1627
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 1: that's simple. It's about access. It's about the public lands

1628
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 1: that someone gave to us that we have responsibility to

1629
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 1: get to the next generation in a better state than

1630
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 1: what we receive them. And if we can resist the

1631
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 1: temptation to make it in our or the left or right,

1632
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:01,840
Speaker 1: whatever issue, we're better off if we can source politicians

1633
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, I'm good on guns, all right, we

1634
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 1: like that, Thank you. Please be good on public lands,

1635
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 1: or I'm good on public lands. Okay, please be good

1636
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 1: on guns. You don't have to be one or the other.

1637
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:21,480
Speaker 1: You can do both. We have examples out there. So hey,

1638
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 1: being involved in the politics of this is just kind

1639
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 1: of a crazy place to be as a hunter because

1640
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 1: I really have no use for politics. I don't care

1641
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:33,559
Speaker 1: what side anyone is on. I just want to know

1642
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:35,720
Speaker 1: that you are going to do the right thing for

1643
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:40,040
Speaker 1: the cause. It's important to me, even fishing access. Yeah,

1644
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 1: I I can relate to a lot of things you

1645
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 1: said there, and um, you know I personally I mentioned

1646
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 1: this at the beginning of the episode before we brought

1647
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 1: you on, Randy, I think I did. Um that. You know,

1648
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 1: I personally have been going through these kind of oscillations

1649
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 1: as a person, trying to understand where I fit in

1650
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 1: the political spectrum and how much how at tension I

1651
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 1: paid to it and all that. And Um, I came

1652
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:06,600
Speaker 1: from a conservative background too, That's how I grew up.

1653
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 1: I have a lot of UM beliefs to fall in

1654
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:13,439
Speaker 1: line with some of those UH groups. At the same time,

1655
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:17,639
Speaker 1: though now I most definitely do not define myself any

1656
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:21,920
Speaker 1: longer as a Republican or Democrat. I fully believe I'm

1657
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 1: a member, hopefully I think now the second member of

1658
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:28,400
Speaker 1: the Hunting and Fishing in Public Lands and Wildlife Habitat

1659
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 1: Party underneath the leadership of Randy Newburgh. Um No, because

1660
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:38,639
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. I think that this really

1661
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 1: is we as hunters and anglers and outdoors men and women.

1662
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 1: We have to resist that temptation to fall prey to

1663
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 1: this either or mindset, or this you're either with me

1664
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:51,719
Speaker 1: or against me, and all these things. Because this party

1665
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 1: says we support A B and C, So I'm going

1666
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,000
Speaker 1: to support A B and C because of it, And

1667
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 1: as you've mentioned, a couple of very important things to

1668
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 1: outdoors people, the right to bear arms and the right

1669
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 1: to public access and habitats and wildlife productive wildlife populations

1670
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:09,800
Speaker 1: unfortunately has been split between parties, and it drives me

1671
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:12,760
Speaker 1: up the wall, and it frustrates me to no end.

1672
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 1: And it gets confusing to um because I sit here

1673
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:21,160
Speaker 1: and I watch CNN, and I'm watching what these people

1674
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:23,640
Speaker 1: are saying, especially in a year like this where the

1675
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 1: presidential election is going on and all these things are

1676
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:29,240
Speaker 1: being thrown around, and it's very contentious and lots of

1677
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:33,680
Speaker 1: emotion and information and misinformation, and it makes it hard

1678
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 1: to figure out what to do when you believe so

1679
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 1: strongly in some things that are being split right down

1680
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 1: the middle by either party, and and you have to

1681
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 1: pick the sides. How do you handle that, Randy? How

1682
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 1: do you approach a year like this, a presidential election

1683
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 1: year like this, when we're saying, what in the world

1684
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:52,400
Speaker 1: do I do when there's very important things to me

1685
01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 1: that it's hard to find someone that's checking all the box.

1686
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 1: All the boxes it is, and I don't think it's

1687
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:02,720
Speaker 1: realistic to expect where we're going to find a candidate

1688
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 1: that agrees with everything one of us feel um, But

1689
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 1: I think it's incumbent upon hunters and anglers and people

1690
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 1: who enjoy public access to make sure their voice has heard.

1691
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 1: I think if we have as hunters, have a fault,

1692
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:23,360
Speaker 1: it's inherent to our personality that we don't want to

1693
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:27,160
Speaker 1: rustle an each others. They're well behaved people, were you know,

1694
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,680
Speaker 1: and kind of I don't just take our lump and

1695
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 1: moves forward kind of folks. And I get. But the

1696
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:37,440
Speaker 1: rest of the groups, the rest of the people advocating

1697
01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 1: a cause, are being the squeaky wheels, and they're getting

1698
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:46,800
Speaker 1: the Greece. And I think we, as our community of

1699
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:51,479
Speaker 1: outdoors people need to start being a bit of the

1700
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:57,880
Speaker 1: squeaky wheel. And I don't expect that whoever's can win

1701
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 1: the primary on one side or the other is going

1702
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 1: to agree with me on everything. I might be one

1703
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:08,080
Speaker 1: or two them and don't agree with me on anything. Um.

1704
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:14,760
Speaker 1: But once they get elected or get their nomination, if

1705
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 1: they're talking presidentially, and the same thing for whether it's senator, congressperson, governor,

1706
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:26,240
Speaker 1: or whatever, I engage myself to try and influence their perspectively.

1707
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 1: I try to get them to understand these issues that

1708
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 1: are important to me why they're important to me, and

1709
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:38,920
Speaker 1: make it a higher priority item for them. And if

1710
01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 1: they don't necessarily agree with me completely on something, I

1711
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:52,640
Speaker 1: don't just completely write them off or forget about it.

1712
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 1: A part of our process of government is you have

1713
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 1: to engage yourself if you want to result. And I

1714
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 1: feel strongly that if I engage myself, I'm doing as

1715
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 1: much or maybe more, to influence the outcome than the

1716
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:09,600
Speaker 1: one time every four years I go and cast a

1717
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:14,160
Speaker 1: vote in a ballot, you know, check the tab or

1718
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 1: still in the povo in my ballot. I think, my

1719
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 1: my daily activity, my continual interaction with these policymakers, had

1720
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 1: a greater effect on where these outcomes are than where

1721
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:30,759
Speaker 1: this one person stands and he or she got elected

1722
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 1: governor or president or senator or whatever. UM. To me,

1723
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:37,559
Speaker 1: that's that's the other part of government that happens for

1724
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 1: three years and for three d sixty four days other

1725
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 1: than the election. So who who we vote for? Everyone's

1726
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 1: going to determine that. UM. I have no problem voting

1727
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 1: for a third party person or a write in. And

1728
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:54,800
Speaker 1: some people are gonna say, oh, if you do it

1729
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:57,120
Speaker 1: writ in, that means you're gonna let some gun grabber

1730
01:39:57,160 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 1: get in. I value my vote more than giving it

1731
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 1: to the lesser of two evils. Yeah, I think there's

1732
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:05,720
Speaker 1: how many people I feel in that way right now.

1733
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 1: How many times have you and your friends sat around

1734
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:12,599
Speaker 1: and talk politics and said, well, I voted for this

1735
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:15,320
Speaker 1: person because I thought they were the lesser or the

1736
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:21,120
Speaker 1: least damaging of two options. I've I've done that. I'm

1737
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:24,080
Speaker 1: done with it. I am no longer giving my vote

1738
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,360
Speaker 1: to the lesser of two idiots, because in the end,

1739
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 1: I've still voted for an idiot. I will write in

1740
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:33,360
Speaker 1: a vote, or I will vote for a third party

1741
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 1: candidate before I will anymore give one of these groups

1742
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:41,200
Speaker 1: or one of these people who I don't think deserves it,

1743
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 1: something I value as much as I value my vote.

1744
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:49,840
Speaker 1: Were you gonna were you gonna say something? Dan? Oh? No,

1745
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:52,639
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that. I'm pretty pissed like

1746
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:59,400
Speaker 1: this this, I mean, no, not you. The conversation we've

1747
01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:02,599
Speaker 1: had is it's just like got me fired up, like

1748
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:06,280
Speaker 1: when we talk about sandbagging, you know, like if I

1749
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:09,720
Speaker 1: didn't try or at at school, or I didn't get

1750
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:12,160
Speaker 1: my work done or my chores done at home, I

1751
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 1: got slapped across the back of the head by my mom.

1752
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 1: You don't get your ass and gear or you know,

1753
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, hey, why did you throw rocks at in

1754
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 1: a parking lot? You break the car windows? That's called

1755
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 1: common sense, dumb ass, you know, like that kind of stuff.

1756
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:31,600
Speaker 1: We need people like you to start showing up with

1757
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:33,920
Speaker 1: some of these uh showing up in d C and

1758
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:37,479
Speaker 1: telling people what's what? Yeah, I would be that guy's like,

1759
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:40,160
Speaker 1: get him out of here. And then I get taste.

1760
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:43,519
Speaker 1: I told you that I'm in the same way, coming

1761
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:45,720
Speaker 1: from a logging family. My wife no, it's a bit

1762
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:49,559
Speaker 1: cutting as an art form, and she always reminds me

1763
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 1: as I'm heading out the door when she drops me

1764
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:56,160
Speaker 1: off at the airport. Now, control your temper. Cushing doesn't

1765
01:41:56,240 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 1: get you anywhere. And I'm sure the listeners have probably

1766
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:08,719
Speaker 1: noticed my tone and my demeanor has gotten pretty riled

1767
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 1: up through some of this discussion because this is this

1768
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:15,599
Speaker 1: is so important to me and and I don't know

1769
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:18,160
Speaker 1: how to explain it. It's hard to explain. But if

1770
01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:20,639
Speaker 1: I never shoot another elk in my life, I've shot

1771
01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:28,000
Speaker 1: more than my share. But the fact that somedayd two

1772
01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:31,800
Speaker 1: hundred years from now, some other Randy Newburgh is going

1773
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:34,720
Speaker 1: to realize his dream of being an elk hunter on

1774
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:38,600
Speaker 1: public lands. That's important to me. That's more important to

1775
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:42,640
Speaker 1: me than killing my next out. And I don't know,

1776
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:45,280
Speaker 1: maybe I've well, I know I've probably been dropped on

1777
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:49,080
Speaker 1: my head too many times, but I just feel that

1778
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:52,040
Speaker 1: strongly about it. And I think if there's one thing

1779
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:56,640
Speaker 1: that has that hunters have stood the head and shoulders

1780
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 1: above the rest of our society. And why we've accomplished

1781
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:03,880
Speaker 1: so much in the face of such great challenges what

1782
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:07,720
Speaker 1: we've done to conserve landscapes and protect species in and

1783
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:12,400
Speaker 1: enhanced and in increased populations of species, is we kept

1784
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:16,120
Speaker 1: a vision that was not next week or next month,

1785
01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:20,360
Speaker 1: or next quarter or next year. Our vision was always

1786
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:24,599
Speaker 1: a horizon that was a generation away or more more

1787
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:29,440
Speaker 1: than one generation away. And if we start lowering, lowering

1788
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:34,439
Speaker 1: our horizons, we're going to aim low and hit even

1789
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:38,519
Speaker 1: lower in what we accomplished. And I just I'm not

1790
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:40,439
Speaker 1: willing to do that. And most of the hunters I

1791
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 1: talked to you like you're down when you get wound

1792
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:45,400
Speaker 1: up over this is because you share that same thing.

1793
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:48,960
Speaker 1: You want this to continue, you want it to be

1794
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:52,639
Speaker 1: better for the next person. And I think that's where

1795
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:55,600
Speaker 1: we as hunters. Sooner or later again, our threshold is

1796
01:43:55,640 --> 01:43:57,880
Speaker 1: going to be met where we're gonna get pretty active

1797
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:02,000
Speaker 1: about this. Um. I hope. If it's not met already,

1798
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:06,840
Speaker 1: I hope it gets met tomorrow. So to that point,

1799
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:10,240
Speaker 1: I think we absolutely we need to be encouraging both

1800
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 1: myself and Dan. We need to do a better job

1801
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:14,720
Speaker 1: of stepping up and starting to take action. I know

1802
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:16,800
Speaker 1: you already are, Randy, UM, but I hope we can

1803
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:20,479
Speaker 1: also encourage our listeners too as well. UM. But I

1804
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 1: guess I do want to not beat around the bush

1805
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:26,639
Speaker 1: a little bit. And we've talked about the fact that

1806
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:28,519
Speaker 1: you know, I hate the fact that it's become so

1807
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:33,600
Speaker 1: politicized and so partisan. Um but correct me if I'm wrong, Randy.

1808
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 1: But this issue of transferring and selling public lands has

1809
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 1: become a plank in the Republican Party platform. So that's

1810
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:45,920
Speaker 1: like an official party line, now, is that right? It is? Unfortunately,

1811
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 1: and a person who like I said, it's socially insistedly conservative,

1812
01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:56,639
Speaker 1: who you know, it's very very adamant about the Second Amendment.

1813
01:44:57,040 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 1: That disturbs me heavily. Um. Month, And it's not just

1814
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:07,240
Speaker 1: a national policy issue for that party. At the state level,

1815
01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. Two years ago, the Montana Republican

1816
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 1: Party made it a very big deal that they had

1817
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 1: unanimous vote to add the transfer of these lands as

1818
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 1: a party platform plant And it's just like, who's who's

1819
01:45:26,240 --> 01:45:31,680
Speaker 1: leading is that who's doing the thinking for them? And

1820
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:35,000
Speaker 1: after my disappointment, I sat back and looked at it

1821
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:39,240
Speaker 1: and said, well, here's how politics works these days. Um,

1822
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:42,800
Speaker 1: you get some consultant to come and tell you the

1823
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:45,880
Speaker 1: polling data says this, or here's a strategy of how

1824
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:49,840
Speaker 1: we're going to accomplish x, y or z. And so

1825
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:54,120
Speaker 1: these party bosses, whether they are state party bosses or

1826
01:45:54,240 --> 01:45:59,800
Speaker 1: national party bosses, lean heavily on consultants for forming these

1827
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:03,200
Speaker 1: to editions on on topics they don't know much about.

1828
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:07,360
Speaker 1: And if the other side has done one really good thing,

1829
01:46:07,680 --> 01:46:13,960
Speaker 1: it's that they have invested tons of money and highly paid,

1830
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:19,000
Speaker 1: slick talking consultants to come to the party bosses and

1831
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:22,240
Speaker 1: make the sales pitch that selling the public lands is

1832
01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:24,920
Speaker 1: good for the party. And that's how that stuff gets

1833
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 1: in there. So it sounds screwed up, but that's how

1834
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:31,720
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff did that. Yeah, it does

1835
01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:34,880
Speaker 1: sound screwed up, um, And I guess with that being

1836
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:38,720
Speaker 1: the case, right, I too feel that same disappointment. And

1837
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:42,160
Speaker 1: like I mentioned, I definitely have um a background similar

1838
01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:46,479
Speaker 1: to yours too, Randy. It sounds like and I don't

1839
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:48,160
Speaker 1: care if you're listening around. I don't care if you're

1840
01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 1: a Republican or Democrat, or in the Hunting angling Outdoors

1841
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 1: party or wherever you stand on these issues. If you

1842
01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 1: do have the passion that I think most of us

1843
01:46:59,400 --> 01:47:03,559
Speaker 1: do have a out these these landscapes, these habitats, access

1844
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 1: to them to hunt and fish and do all these

1845
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:08,040
Speaker 1: other things. We need to start taking action on it.

1846
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:13,400
Speaker 1: And historically there's probably a majority of hunters would be

1847
01:47:13,479 --> 01:47:15,880
Speaker 1: would fall towards the conservative side, would fall towards the

1848
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 1: Republican side. So let's just say, let's let's go with

1849
01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:20,439
Speaker 1: that assumption. Let's just say that the majority of people

1850
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:23,439
Speaker 1: right now listening might be leaning in the Republican way.

1851
01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't care either way, but let's just hypothetically say

1852
01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:28,240
Speaker 1: that's the case. If that's the case, and given the

1853
01:47:28,240 --> 01:47:31,400
Speaker 1: fact that right now, like you mentioned, Randy, a party

1854
01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:34,240
Speaker 1: line like a goal within the Republican Party not, at

1855
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:36,519
Speaker 1: least from the top level, is to sell off or

1856
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:40,760
Speaker 1: transfer these public lands. To your point A called minutes ago, Randy,

1857
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:43,320
Speaker 1: we the people or anyone who wants to be involved

1858
01:47:43,479 --> 01:47:46,080
Speaker 1: with those politicians or wants to support them, it's our

1859
01:47:46,160 --> 01:47:48,920
Speaker 1: job to go and say, hey, that's a really stupid idea.

1860
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:50,439
Speaker 1: I want to support a lot of the things that

1861
01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:52,200
Speaker 1: you do and that that you work towards, but that

1862
01:47:52,360 --> 01:47:54,920
Speaker 1: is something that we can't have, and so we need

1863
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:58,480
Speaker 1: to start, like you said, being that greasy wheel. Um,

1864
01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:00,840
Speaker 1: because it doesn't need to be either between being good

1865
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:03,639
Speaker 1: on guns or individual rights or whatever it is and

1866
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:08,600
Speaker 1: habitat public access all that. Um. So whichever party or

1867
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:11,479
Speaker 1: wherever you place yourself, we need to be talking to

1868
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:16,839
Speaker 1: our representatives, are senators, all these other people presidential candidates,

1869
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:19,800
Speaker 1: and saying hey, this is a really important issue. And

1870
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:22,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people and a lot of communities,

1871
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:24,640
Speaker 1: and a lot of businesses and a whole lot of

1872
01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:27,679
Speaker 1: different things that are gonna be impacted by this. Let's

1873
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:30,599
Speaker 1: make sure you're going in the right direction. Yeah. And

1874
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:33,680
Speaker 1: often I hear people say, well, I don't want to

1875
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:36,320
Speaker 1: upset them because they're good at guns, and I get

1876
01:48:36,320 --> 01:48:41,160
Speaker 1: tests but why are we not afraid? And let's so

1877
01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:44,400
Speaker 1: we're kind to use the assumption that most hunters are

1878
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:47,600
Speaker 1: right center, and that all the data shows that the

1879
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:51,160
Speaker 1: feature and that's why we're disappointed when the parties further

1880
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:54,439
Speaker 1: to the right supports this. So let's take the mirror

1881
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:57,639
Speaker 1: and go the other way and just about all guns.

1882
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:01,639
Speaker 1: My distillation that just at the second Amendment comes from

1883
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:07,680
Speaker 1: the Democratic side. Why do we not have any hesitation

1884
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:11,240
Speaker 1: about writing a letter, making a comment, or giving that

1885
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:17,280
Speaker 1: Democratic legislator or senator or congress person how we feel

1886
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:22,120
Speaker 1: about certain gun issues when it's detrimental to us, But

1887
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:27,960
Speaker 1: for some reason, we refuse to convey the same frustration

1888
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:31,639
Speaker 1: or the same feelings when it's a Republican who's doing

1889
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:36,800
Speaker 1: something on the other side on public lands. I don't

1890
01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:43,759
Speaker 1: understand the thought process that give someone the comfort in saying, oh,

1891
01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:45,800
Speaker 1: why do you do this on my guns? But yet

1892
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:48,240
Speaker 1: they're afraid that they'll offend someone as they go say

1893
01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:50,880
Speaker 1: the same thing on public lands to someone on the

1894
01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:57,480
Speaker 1: other side. Maybe I'm too simple minded to understand that hesitation,

1895
01:49:57,720 --> 01:50:01,599
Speaker 1: but I just think that we are at that point

1896
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:04,880
Speaker 1: where hunters are going to have to speak up for

1897
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:08,840
Speaker 1: their own toughs and engage with these politicians. If you

1898
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:12,400
Speaker 1: know a county commissioner, if you know a state legislator,

1899
01:50:12,439 --> 01:50:16,200
Speaker 1: if you know someone at a local level, that person

1900
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:18,719
Speaker 1: hearing your concerns, and if they hear it from enough

1901
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:21,040
Speaker 1: of you, will carry it to the next level. Who

1902
01:50:21,120 --> 01:50:24,640
Speaker 1: carries it to the next level. They say all politics

1903
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:27,800
Speaker 1: is local, and to some degree it is. If you

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Speaker 1: have a congress person in your district who gets twelve

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Speaker 1: calls in emails from the same on the same topic,

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Speaker 1: they're going to tell us Stafford will find out what's

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Speaker 1: going on there, because if twelve people called, that means

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Speaker 1: there's probably twelve thousand people who feel the same way

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Speaker 1: just in that little area. But it does make a difference.

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Speaker 1: It's I know, we feel at times that the big

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Speaker 1: money machines and the big political parties on both sides

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Speaker 1: But nothing scares a politician more than a group of

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Speaker 1: piste off hunters for a good reason. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: not because we're gonna show up armed, but because when

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Speaker 1: you piss us off, we plan to do something about it,

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Speaker 1: and we're good at hunters. When they do. Finally, get

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Speaker 1: mad enough are good at getting people unelected. Well, I

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Speaker 1: I certainly hope and uh I expect that that's going

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Speaker 1: to be the case moving forward, that regardless of where

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Speaker 1: Hopefully I think all of us hunters and outdoors men

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Speaker 1: and women and people that appreciate the incredible resource we

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Speaker 1: have of these of these public lands, that we can

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Speaker 1: all kind of decide that, yeah, this is something that

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Speaker 1: needs to be sorted out and needs to be taken

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Speaker 1: care of it, and we'll talk to our representatives, regardless

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Speaker 1: of what party they may be, and say, hey, this

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Speaker 1: needs to be a priority. We need to refocus our

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Speaker 1: attention here. And I hope of everyone everyone listening today

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Speaker 1: that you can take Rainy's advice and be that greasy

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Speaker 1: wheel speak to your representatives. We don't need to settle

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Speaker 1: for either or we don't need to settle for Take

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Speaker 1: all the above, and you're stuck with it. I think

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Speaker 1: we can start. We need to start taking an active

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Speaker 1: interest in an active role in informing where informing the

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Speaker 1: direction of where things are going to go. It's it's

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Speaker 1: time that we don't just let things go idly by

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Speaker 1: and roll with it. I think we need to start

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Speaker 1: really start forming that path forward. So I agree, Randy,

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Speaker 1: this has been This has been really helpful. I think

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Speaker 1: this is one of those topics that is evidenced by

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Speaker 1: the fact that we've just talked about it for over

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Speaker 1: an hour and a half. There's a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of questions. Yeah, no, to your audience,

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Speaker 1: they're probably it probably dropped the line along time ago.

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Speaker 1: I hope not, although although d And did drop off,

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Speaker 1: so that might be evidence of he actually had to

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Speaker 1: go take care of family. Is family stuff. But um,

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Speaker 1: but now, this this has been terrific, and I'm really

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Speaker 1: glad that you could share your your experience and background

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Speaker 1: and knowledge of all these things because it's something that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's starting to show up in the media, the hunting

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Speaker 1: and outdoors media more, which is a good thing. It's

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Speaker 1: still something that there's a lot of questions about. And

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Speaker 1: my goal here was to really try to answer some

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Speaker 1: of those questions, get people thinking about it, get people

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Speaker 1: hopefully ready to start taking some action. And I think

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Speaker 1: you were able to really help us take a step

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Speaker 1: in that direction. So I'm to thanks so much. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you having me. Yeah, absolutely is there is there anywhere?

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Speaker 1: And I know there is. But would you like to

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Speaker 1: share with our audience where they can go to hear

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Speaker 1: more from you, your opinions and thoughts on any of

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Speaker 1: these other things, or just to get some more Randy

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Speaker 1: Newburg in their life. Yeah, I appreciate the opportunity, Mark,

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Speaker 1: And Uh, one thing I'm going to definitely do with

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Speaker 1: my following is to share your podcast with with all

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Speaker 1: of my folks who watched my TV show and listen

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Speaker 1: to my podcast. Um, if the people are interested, I've

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Speaker 1: done some episodes of my podcast. It's called The Hunt

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Speaker 1: Talk Radio Randy Newberg Unfiltered. I've done some episodes specific

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Speaker 1: to a few of the topics we've talked about today.

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Speaker 1: They can just get that out on iTunes or Stitcher,

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Speaker 1: or you can go to our YouTube channel. Now we're

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Speaker 1: loading our podcast episodes right up on our YouTube channel

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Speaker 1: and it's called Randy Edinburgh Hunter. And uh, we would

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Speaker 1: love to see all of your listeners who maybe are

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Speaker 1: primarily white tail hunters. Love to see them. I'll be

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Speaker 1: also get a taste of the West. Um, and you

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Speaker 1: can get the addition for out meal their animal, white

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Speaker 1: tails or whatever out here, and if they're interested in that,

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Speaker 1: we have the big forum called hunt talk dot com

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Speaker 1: where boy, we we talked about everything related to the

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Speaker 1: public land hunting and we help people apply for tag

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Speaker 1: figure out drawing systems. A lot of really get stuff

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Speaker 1: out there. So when my TV show isn't airing in

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Speaker 1: quarters three and four, those are the best places to

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Speaker 1: reach me, either on the hunt top forum, listen to

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Speaker 1: our podcast, or check out our YouTube channel. So and

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Speaker 1: your your YouTube channel now has old episodes of your shows,

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Speaker 1: right right, Yeah, we're actually our old show on your

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Speaker 1: Own Adventures where we've loaded those four seasons up and

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Speaker 1: now in the next month we're gonna start loading up

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Speaker 1: the last three seasons we've produced, which are the titled

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Speaker 1: under the new show called Fresh Tracks with Brandy Newberg.

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Speaker 1: So if people go out there and hit the subscribe button,

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't cost you anything, so hit the subscribe button.

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Speaker 1: It's not like you're paying a fee to subscribe. But

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Speaker 1: hitting the subscribe button on our YouTube channel means that

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Speaker 1: you will get notified when we load up a new episode.

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Speaker 1: And it's so far it's turned out great. The traffic

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Speaker 1: is just growing like crazy. I did not know that

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Speaker 1: many people really cared about Randy Newbergs stumbling around in

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Speaker 1: the woods trying to hurt himself. Maybe maybe they're just

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Speaker 1: bored in the winter. I don't know. There's there's certainly

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Speaker 1: is probably a little bit of at least for those

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Speaker 1: people are listening to this podcast, because they if they're

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Speaker 1: listening to this show, they must be feeling the same way.

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Speaker 1: But but I do highly recommend anyone listening if you

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Speaker 1: haven't already, take Randy up on that offer. I'm subscribed

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Speaker 1: to the YouTube channel, I'm subscribed to his podcast, and

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Speaker 1: I check out hunt Talk and all the above are

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Speaker 1: great resources for both just entertaining and interesting, but also educational. Randy,

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Speaker 1: as you've heard over the last hour and a half

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Speaker 1: or so, has got a lot of great perspective and

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Speaker 1: experience on some of these important issues to all hunters.

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Speaker 1: So definitely check it out. And your website, Randy is

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Speaker 1: Randy Newberg dot com, right, yeah, yeah, Randy Newberg dot

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Speaker 1: com will give you linked to every one of our platforms,

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Speaker 1: so that that's kind of the clearing house where when

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Speaker 1: in doubt go to Randy Newberg dot com and you'll

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Speaker 1: find a link to all of our platforms. Perfect. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think with that we'll wrap things up. Randy, so again,

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Speaker 1: thank you so so much. You're you're welcome. Mark. I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to let you go without you making a promise.

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Speaker 1: And what's that this summer, you're gonna come to Bozeman

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna get together and you're gonna be on

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Speaker 1: my podcast and we're gonna go fishing or something. I

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Speaker 1: will I will accept that and promise you to take

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Speaker 1: you up on that, because that sounds like a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun. All Right, Mark, thanks so much. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: all you do. I appreciate your listeners are great folks,

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Speaker 1: and uh, keep carrying on. I really appreciate it. Sounds great, Randy.

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Speaker 1: I'll see you this summer. Yep. All right, good bye. Alright. Well,

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoyed that conversation, found it helpful, educational,

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Speaker 1: and maybe put a little fire in eath your butt

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Speaker 1: to take some action on these things. I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: sticking with us here on an extra long episode, but

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Speaker 1: hopefully you'll agree that this was an important enough topic

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Speaker 1: for us to do that. So thank you for your time.

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Speaker 1: Uh speaking of thanks, we do need to thank our

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Speaker 1: partners who helped make this podcast possible. So big thank

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Speaker 1: you too, Sick Gear, Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds,

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Speaker 1: Hunter A, maps Ozonics, Lacrosse Boots, and the White Tail

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Speaker 1: Institute of North America. And one other thing that I

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Speaker 1: forgot to mention was that there's a petition you can

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Speaker 1: sign at the sports at sorry, the u r L

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Speaker 1: is Sportsman's Access dot org and that's a petition to

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Speaker 1: support our public lands and uh, you know say that, hey,

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Speaker 1: we do not want these two be transfers sold. So

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Speaker 1: check out Sportsman's Access dot org for more information on

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Speaker 1: this topic, as well as the resources we mentioned earlier

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Speaker 1: at Randy Newberg's website and podcast. All the above will

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Speaker 1: be super helpful in addition to what we talked about

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Speaker 1: here today. So but that all said, thank you again

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Speaker 1: for joining us. I appreciate it, and until next time,

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Speaker 1: stay wired to hunt.