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Speaker 1: Welcome to Off the Cup. I'mssy Cup and this is

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Speaker 1: our mental health break from the news. You know, I've

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Speaker 1: covered politics and news for twenty plus years. You may

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Speaker 1: know me from CNN or MSNBC or Battleground. Maybe you

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Speaker 1: read or hate read my columns. I've covered everything from

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Speaker 1: elections this is my sixth presidential to war and genocide,

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Speaker 1: to sports and pop culture. But this podcast, Off the

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Speaker 1: Cup is a break from the news. Here is where

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Speaker 1: I'm going to interview interesting people, many of whom are

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Speaker 1: my friends, about their actual lives. You remember your life,

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Speaker 1: you know, family, career, parenting, travel, love, loss, mental health,

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Speaker 1: the stuff that matters to you when we're not talking

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Speaker 1: about politics. That's what we're going to do. And lastly,

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Speaker 1: if you follow me, you know I've struggled with an

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Speaker 1: anxiety disorder and I want to talk a lot more

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Speaker 1: take it out of the shadows and end the stigma.

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Speaker 1: So when I got this podcast, the first person, the

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Speaker 1: first person I knew I wanted to interview. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: a journalist, it wasn't a politico. It was Josh Gadd

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Speaker 1: And you may say, why, well, he is everywhere.

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Speaker 2: These days, saying why by the way, but going.

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Speaker 1: You may know him as Olof from Frozen, or Elder

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Speaker 1: I just saw him on Broadway in Gutenberg the Musical.

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Speaker 1: He can sing, he can act, he can sort of dance,

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Speaker 1: and more importantly, he's just a wonderful human being. Welcome

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Speaker 2: I am so delighted. I'm so delighted. I'm so perplexed

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Speaker 2: people don't know this. We're birthday twins, and so I've

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Speaker 2: always loved you primarily for that reason, same for others

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Speaker 2: excited to be here. I'm so excited that you have

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Speaker 1: Don't fuck it up.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to try not to.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to tell people how we first got

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Speaker 1: in touch. We have not discussed this, so you can

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Speaker 2: Of course I remember? But I want you to tell them.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll tell So it's February twenty eighteen and I

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Speaker 1: get a voicemail from Josh Gatt. We did not know

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Speaker 2: Okay, ready, hey there, it's Josh Gatt calling Hope all

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Speaker 2: as well, trying me back whenever your freemare numbers. Wait

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Speaker 2: a second, I called you. I blind called you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know why?

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Speaker 1: So I'm on set doing my show as he Cup

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Speaker 1: Unfiltered at CNN and I see you. I see my

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Speaker 1: I don't know that we agree. I think we might

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Speaker 2: I so appreciate that. I have always been a very

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And I am old enough to remember

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Speaker 1: We call that. I call that that kind of humidity

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Speaker 1: Yes too much. So I think a lot of people

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Speaker 2: of the people backstage were so excited to see in

436
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Speaker 2: meet what Yes, that's true, it's one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: I think you're mistaken because that night was Steve Martin

438
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Speaker 1: and Martin Short.

439
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Speaker 2: It was And I will never forget this. My co

440
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: star Ethan Phillips from Avenue five comes up to me

441
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, he's gonna want to meet Steve Martin

442
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: Martin Short, and he goes, please introduce me to se Cup.

443
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 2: I'm so says, she's so brilliant, and it was so

444
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: funny because you were really competing with some super talent

445
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 2: that night, and like, my community only wanted to meet

446
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 2: you because they're all political junkies and news junkies.

447
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: Okay, well that's very nice.

448
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 2: So you've become the Andrew Aynolds of your generation.

449
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: More from Josh Gadd's mosquito ridden Backyard. When we return,

450
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about Gutenberg because and it's a

451
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: little more serious. You're doing Gutenberg, and as this episode airs,

452
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: it'll be around the anniversary of October seventh.

453
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Speaker 2: In a year that's insane.

454
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and on October seventh, we had an attack on

455
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Speaker 1: Israel by Hamas. It sparked a lot of protests. Here

456
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Speaker 1: I covered some really awful stomach churning anti semitism on

457
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: college campuses. In some cases my college campus is And

458
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: I know you're more spiritual than religious, but you were

459
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: raised Jewish and you have family members who survived the Holocaust,

460
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: and now you're in a musical about the first printing

461
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: of the Bible. It's a comedy. Simultaneously, while this is

462
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: all developing around you, you're far from your family. I mean,

463
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: what was that like? Because I know you and I

464
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: would talk during that time, but oh, it.

465
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Speaker 2: Goes, it goes deeper, tell me. So when we open

466
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: the show, there was a whole bit at the beginning.

467
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: It brought down the house, which is the show is

468
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: a metacomedy about these two guys doing a workshop of

469
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: a terrible show, trying to get the show on to Broadway.

470
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, show about a show, a show about a show.

471
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Speaker 2: And so they've taken all of the tropes of musical

472
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Speaker 2: theater and applied them. And at the beginning of the

473
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Speaker 2: show they talk about how every great musical has a

474
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Speaker 2: serious issue, and our serious issue is anti Semitism. And

475
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: we go into the fact that the like the main

476
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 2: villain of our show is going to be a little

477
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: anti semi girl. So we had done a week of previews,

478
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: the line was killing. October seventh happens, and I had

479
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: to get on stage that night and do that bit,

480
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 2: and there were crickets and it was the most I

481
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: was like, we need to have an all hands on

482
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 2: deck meeting tomorrow because this isn't gonna work. And our

483
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: amazing director Alex Timbers and our amazing writer Scott Brown

484
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: and Anthony King all gathered around and we completely changed

485
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Speaker 2: in real time what the opening of the show was.

486
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: It was really difficult. You know, as a grandchild of

487
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Speaker 2: Holocaust survivors. It is always it shouldn't be, but it's

488
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: always shocking to see anti Semitism still exists, and it's

489
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: always shocking that the words never forget have to still

490
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: be spoken again and again, because it seems like I

491
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: just don't learn whether it's people with tiki torches screaming

492
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: Jews will not replace us, to people at a concert

493
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Speaker 2: being massacred who were very much protesting the Israeli regime

494
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Speaker 2: at the time of their massacre. So it was very emotional.

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Speaker 2: It was very upsetting.

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Speaker 1: How did you talk to your kids about it?

497
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Speaker 2: I told them not to tell anyone they were Jewish,

498
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Speaker 2: I mean, like it legitimately. Yeah, I was really freaked out.

499
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: I had friends who got into an uber and the

500
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: uber driver asked if they were Jewish and they lied

501
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: and said no, and he said good because if you were,

502
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: I wouldn't let you into my car. So I'd been

503
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: like hearing a lot of these stories and I was

504
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: freaked out. And again you said it. I am very

505
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: much a spiritual Jew and one who really my wife

506
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: is Catholic. I love tradition. I actually we went to

507
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: the Vatican and I looked at her. I said, man,

508
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: my family really bet on the wrong horse, because I'm

509
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: just like so enamored by like yeah, all of it,

510
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: Like I just I'm like, this is so beautiful. And

511
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: so I love and appreciate everybody's faith. I think faith

512
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: is whatever you want it to be. And I never

513
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: passed judgment on anyone's faith because I think it's important

514
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: that everybody gets to lead their own lives and pray

515
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: or not pray in however they see fit. So when I,

516
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: in turn, am condemned for faith I was born into,

517
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: it's really dark. It's really depressing. And then to not

518
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: have a a lot of people defending against anti Semitism,

519
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: and I'm putting the whole Gaza Israel issue to the side.

520
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 2: I don't want to discuss it. I don't want to

521
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: get involved. I am not an expert on geopolitics. I

522
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: think the whole thing is fucked and my heart breaks

523
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: for every person.

524
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah who dies, and of sorry, that's the right thing

525
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: to say.

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Speaker 2: What I do have a problem with is people painting

527
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: Swasa because I'm buildings. What I do have a problem with.

528
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: Is people tearing down hostage posters.

529
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: Is people damning and condemning a group of people based

530
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: on their faith and based on the actions of a

531
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: piece of shit leader who most Jews don't even like. Yeah,

532
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: and to then turn it back and say you're all

533
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: the same, You're all whatever term you want to use,

534
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: Zionist scum. It's really dark. It's really dark, and it's

535
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: really really disturbing. Yeah, And I try to speak out

536
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: where I can, but it's a little bit like playing whackamol.

537
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: And you know, I also think it's hilarious to be

538
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: lectured by somebody like Trump who sits down with literal

539
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: neo Nazis. But I think that it is it's an

540
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: active problem on both side of the political spectrum. That

541
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: seems to be the one place where people really don't

542
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: feel the need to support those who are being treated

543
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: this way. And I think you can. I think you

544
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: can walk in chew gum. I think you can be

545
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: very outspoken about the actions of Netagnahu and his party

546
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: and at the same time support you innocent gossens not

547
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:41,239
Speaker 2: being killed and say, oh, and by the way, you

548
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: don't have to use evil rhetoric against Jewish people. I

549
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: can do all those things, so I'm not sure why

550
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: others can't. And it's a real bummer because I thought

551
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: we were done with this nonsense and we're not, or

552
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: just not, and I don't think we ever will be

553
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: in my lifetime. Yeah, so I've come to live with it.

554
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: I've been called a kaike. I've been told that, you know,

555
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: my family should burn in a gas chamber. I'm a

556
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: guy who's never been to Israel, by the way, not

557
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: that that should matter, but like, it's really wild because

558
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: at a certain point, you're not saying these things to

559
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: any other group of people, right, You're just saying them

560
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: to us, right. And I just have a problem with that.

561
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: I really do well.

562
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Speaker 1: And the segues into mental health because you know, I've

563
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: talked a lot about my anxiety disorder. You've talked a

564
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: lot about your anxiety disorder. And what I've learned is

565
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: everyone's anxiety is different. You know, I interviewed Naomi Osaka

566
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: about her anxiety disorder. She suffers from social anxiety. That's

567
00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: not my issue at all. I'm wondering how the sall

568
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: impacted your mental health at this at this time, I.

569
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't leave my apartment. I would only go to and

570
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: from the theater. I had the worst time living in

571
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: New York during that period. You know, on the night

572
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: of October eighth, I videotaped a car in front of

573
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: me with these guys wearing CAFs and waving Palestinian flags

574
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: after a bunch of people were massacred and you know,

575
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: protesting in the streets and celebrating. And that was before

576
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: there was any response, by the way, from you know, anybody.

577
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: And I really was like, oh my god, I'm scared,

578
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: Like I don't I'm scared to be Jewish right now.

579
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: I'm really scared. And so I, you know, would just

580
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: do the show. I would go home or Uber eats,

581
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: I would watch TV, I would exercise in the building,

582
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: and then I'd go back to work. Yeah, it was

583
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: a very unpleasant few months for me, and people who

584
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: knew me were worried about me because I was just

585
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: simply scared to exist. Like I was like, I don't

586
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 2: want to be targeted. I have no issues with you.

587
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: Why do you seem to have so many with me?

588
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: And you know, I have dealt with general anxiety disorder. Ironically,

589
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: Gad yeah, since I was about twenty years old. And

590
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: I'm proud of my anxiety. I'm proud to talk about

591
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: my anxiety. I think it has in many ways guided

592
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: me and guided my humanity because I admit to being flawed,

593
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: and so I understand when others are dealing with the

594
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 2: same thing that it is like dealing with blood pressure,

595
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 2: or like dealing with cancer, or like dealing with any

596
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: other health issue. And it's not something to be ashamed of. Yeah,

597
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: And it's not something to run away from, and it's

598
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: not something to bow your head in disappointment over. It's

599
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: something to confront, deal with, and talk about so that

600
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: others feel that sense of community, love and support.

601
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: Well, and that's why I do it too. But the

602
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: major reason I do it, and I'm writing a book

603
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: about it right now, is because I wish I had

604
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: seen signs earlier that I was struggling with anxiety, as

605
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: I had been for a very long time, and I

606
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: picked up awful habits, habits that I thought were actually

607
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: keeping me safe, like leaning into my anxiety, catastrophizing. It

608
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: got to a point where I felt like if I

609
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: were if I wasn't worried about the catastrophe around the corner,

610
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: it would happen, and so I had to worry about

611
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: it to prevent it from happening. That sort of bargaining, yep,

612
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: that we do with our anxiety, and same if I

613
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: didn't go through rituals of worry, then that made me

614
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: less safe. And I wish I wish I had learned

615
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: earlier because at my age now I'm forty five, it's

616
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: really hard to unlearn those habits. And so the book

617
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm writing is about learning how to live without anxiety

618
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: because I learned to live with it really well, really

619
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: love I was awesome at anxiety. I aced it.

620
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: I love that sentiment me too, So you.

621
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: Know, learning to live without it is really hard. Do

622
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: you think looking back, were they're warning signs as you

623
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: were coming along that maybe you could have recognized to

624
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: get help earlier or no? Because I just want to

625
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: talk about anxiety in real terms that people can understand.

626
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: I love this conversation and I thank you, And also

627
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: just circling back for a second, you know you have

628
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 2: been one of the most vocal people when it comes

629
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: to combating anti Semitism, and I really appreciate your voice.

630
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: It means so much to people who feel afraid, who

631
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: feel scared, who feel alone. So I just wanted to

632
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 2: say that, And now circle back to the anxiety thing.

633
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 2: Mine came on almost overnight, and it presented itself in

634
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: a very crippling manner. I woke up one day and

635
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: I felt like I was having a heart attack. I

636
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: couldn't breathe, I was crying uncontrollably. I was agoraphobic. I

637
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 2: could not leave the bed, let alone the house.

638
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was.

639
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: Two thousand and two, and my mom started bringing me

640
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: to see a bunch of specialists because nobody knew what

641
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: the hell was going on. I thought I was dying.

642
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

643
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: I had one doctor tell me it might be MS.

644
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: I had another doctor tell me it could be a

645
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: brain tumor. It was really interesting how low on the

646
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: totem pole anxiety was, which is I think an indictment

647
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: of our healthcare system and also like a reminder that like,

648
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 2: there's a lot we don't know about this, and I

649
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: think there's a lot now we do know that we

650
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: didn't know then, So which only added These potential diagnoses

651
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: only added to my anxiety because I was already a

652
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: fucking hypochondriac. R so finally one day I see a

653
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: neurologist and he says, kid, this is called anxiety. You're

654
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: having like a quarter life crisis, That's what this is.

655
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: And he said, are there any big things happening in

656
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: your life? And I said, well, no, not really. And

657
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: then I started to think about it, and I was like, oh,

658
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: my god, my mom just moved out of my childhood home,

659
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: which there's a lot of good and painful memories to

660
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 2: leave behind in that place about my childhood, you know,

661
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: my parents. I was about to travel to Australia to

662
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: leave home for the first time in my life by myself,

663
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: go across the world to study abroad. I was one

664
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: year away from graduating college and being on my own

665
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 2: and having to be an adult, and so, of course, yeah,

666
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: all of these things were converging at once. I also,

667
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: and I say this because I think it's important to

668
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: talk about, I had a negative experience taking a drug

669
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: in college. I smoked what I thought was marijuana, It

670
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: was hash and I do think that it had a

671
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: chemical effect ye where and by the way, I openly

672
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: talk about the fact that like I will smoke pot

673
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: when I'm dealing with anxiety to actually calm myself down.

674
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: So it's not like I'm against these things, but I

675
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 2: think that it's important to understand that there are many

676
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: ways that it can come out and present itself. Yeah,

677
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 2: for me, that was the way it presented itself. Having

678
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: said that, anxiety was always there, but like you, I

679
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: just gave into it so much that I didn't see

680
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: it was actually taking over me. I compare anxiety to

681
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: the character of Venom from Spider Man, where it's like,

682
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: you know, you think he's an ally until he turns

683
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 2: on you. And actually, I think that the most profound

684
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: work that's been done in any form of entertainment with

685
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 2: regard to this issue is Inside Out Too Orange?

686
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 1: Who made the console orange? Do I look orange? Orange?

687
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 3: Is not my color?

688
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: On me?

689
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, I'm anxiety. I'm one of Riley's new emotions

690
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: and we are just super jazzed to be here. Where

691
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: can I put myself?

692
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: It is such a brilliant way to illustrate the effects

693
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 2: of this thing, because I used to describe it and

694
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: my parents didn't understand what was going on with me.

695
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: My brothers couldn't understand what was they were They looked

696
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 2: at me like I was an alien, and I said

697
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: to them, you don't understand. It's like I'm a prisoner

698
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: in my own fucking body. Yes, and I can't get out.

699
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 1: Yes.

700
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: And when I saw that movie, it was so profound

701
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 2: because that's exactly what it was. It was like somebody

702
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 2: was at the control panel of my brain and they

703
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 2: took it. They hijacked the entire plane, and I couldn't

704
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: get out of it. And then through therapy, through medicine,

705
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 2: I was able to see light through the darkness. And

706
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: I will never not have anxiety, but I'm now able

707
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 2: to live with my anxiety and not let it take

708
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: over my life.

709
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: Well that's what I wanted to ask you about next.

710
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: Then that's the truth. We'll always have it, and we've

711
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: learned how to manage it. We're doing the work, and

712
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: that's great. And movies like Inside Out too. I mean,

713
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: it's so great for parents because it gives me a

714
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: language to talk to my son about anxiety, which you know,

715
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: in a way that makes sense to him. But do

716
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: you ever get exhausted just thinking about the fact that

717
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: we'll always have this? Because I do, and even though

718
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: I'm doing the work, I'm in therapy, I'm on medication.

719
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: I'm getting better. I've learned so much about it. I'm

720
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: still just like this is forever.

721
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: I do. And I often in those moments, and I

722
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: am starting to see it creep out in my own kids.

723
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: My niece and nephew have serious anxiety. In those moments

724
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 2: I see I start to actually think about how blessed

725
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: we are, because then I'm like, Okay, my grandparents who

726
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: were in the Holocaust had every reason to be anxiety

727
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 2: prone the rest of their lives and had to do

728
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: it without any medical support, without probably any diagnosis, and

729
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 2: so for the first time in the history of our species,

730
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: we actually have ways to combat it, and so I

731
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: feel relieved about that. I feel relieved that I have

732
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: the tools to deal with it that if I didn't

733
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: have these tools, I would probably be in an insane

734
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: asylum because it got that bad for me. And I

735
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 2: feel blessed that I have people like you and many

736
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: others who are now openly talking about it, not for nothing.

737
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: I think a part of it is that we as

738
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: a species have not evolved at the rate that our

739
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: technology is evolving.

740
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: Yes, no, there are studies showing that.

741
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: Yes, and you don't even need studies you just need

742
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: to look on and feel right. And when I'm and

743
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: I'm holding up my phone right now, but when I'm

744
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: constantly looking down at this device, I am absorbing information

745
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: at a faster rate than at any time in the

746
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 2: millennia that humans have been walking this planet. Yep, my brain,

747
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 2: your brain, the most brilliant minds on the planet are

748
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: not equipped to do this. We are not equipped to

749
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: handle this influx of non stop information, and it's mixed

750
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: with social media. And by the way, I'm not surprised

751
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: that you are constantly dealing withinnxiety because of the nature

752
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 2: of your work. Right you are having to literally go

753
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: to work and talk about chaos on a daily basis.

754
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: That is your job.

755
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: My work is very triggering and it's been a huge

756
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: court of therapy trying to figure out do I have

757
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: to quit what I do to protect my mental health

758
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: because dealing in bad news all the time has the effect,

759
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: at least one my brain of making me think the

760
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: odds are bad news is going to happen to me

761
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: around every corner.

762
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: And I think, I and that's not true. I think

763
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: that's why you're so fucking good at what you do,

764
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: because you may not know this, but you are a

765
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 2: very calming voice, your practical voice, and you're a very

766
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: no no, you are. You're one of the few journalists

767
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: doing it right now who have nuance to the way

768
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 2: you see things, and things aren't always black and white

769
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: and aren't always right and wrong. And when you can

770
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 2: sort of unload what's happening in real time and presenting

771
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: facts back to us, that is a very calming thing

772
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 2: for those of us who are constantly going down the

773
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: rabbit hole of oh my god, is this the end

774
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: of the world? Oh my god, does this mean that,

775
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 2: like the economy is going to crash, or that we're

776
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: going to deal with the end of democracy, or that

777
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: we're going to deal with World War three? And when

778
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: you have people who are giving you the information, who

779
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: are stewards of information, that is one of the most

780
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: important tasks in any workforce that there is, because there's

781
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: so much disinformation and misinformation that we need stewards like

782
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 2: you to do the heavy lifting. And because you deal

783
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: with the anxiety, you know how to present it to

784
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: us in a way that won't make us doubly anxious.

785
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: So it's it's brilliant what you do.

786
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: Thank you it's true, thank you, And I tried to

787
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: in addition to being calming, you know, I just I

788
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: try to lead with empathy too, which is you know

789
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 1: with you Oh well, but my anxiety, I think has

790
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: has created a lot of that, that empathy and a

791
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: desire for more of it. All right, we're going to

792
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: do a lightning round, but before that, you have you

793
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: have a new book out now. It's a children's book,

794
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: Picture Face Lizzie and the other you mentioned in God

795
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: We Trust to Tell Some. It's not a tell all.

796
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: It's a Tell Some which is coming out. That's a memoir.

797
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: Where'd you find the time to write two books? And

798
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: it's all of your jobs.

799
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: The children's book was something that I had been wanting

800
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 2: to do for a long time during COVID. I don't

801
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: know if you remember, but I decided to pick up

802
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 2: my phone one day and start reading children's books to

803
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 2: kids at home during the early days of the pandemic,

804
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 2: because I felt a lot of parents were like me,

805
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 2: flailing and trying to figure out how to keep their

806
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: kids busy as they had to, you know, pay their

807
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 2: bills and do their work. And so I really started

808
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 2: to immerse myself in these books, and I was like,

809
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: I love this, I really want to do this, and it.

810
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 1: Was so great because like it's the voice of Oloff

811
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: reading your kids, you know, kids books, like every kid

812
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure love So.

813
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 2: It was it was really profound for them and for me.

814
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: And so I had been wanting to write something about

815
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: my kid's obsession with TikTok and our desire to protect

816
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 2: them from things like TikTok for as long as we can,

817
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: because again we talk about the fact that like these

818
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: things there it is, there's mosquito, These things have an effect.

819
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 2: And so the book is about this girl who wants

820
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: this doll that can do anything and everything that is

821
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 2: a digital has a digital element to it that all

822
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: of her friends have. And this girl has such an

823
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 2: active imagination and she's such a free spirit and she's

824
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: always doing something with her imagination. And her parents reluctantly

825
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: given and they say, yes, you can get a picture face, Lizzie,

826
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 2: but don't let it take away from who you are

827
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 2: and don't let it become your life. And it's about

828
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 2: her journey of getting the doll and finding a healthy

829
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 2: relationship with it that doesn't become all consuming. And it's

830
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: I think it's a really important message for kids.

831
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 1: It's so great and parents.

832
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: So can't wait for people to read that. And then

833
00:51:58,520 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 2: and gad we trust.

834
00:51:59,440 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

835
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: Is similarly about me dealing with my own anxiety and

836
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: putting it in a two hundred and fifty page book

837
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 2: about my journey, my life, the experiences that I've had,

838
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: and hopefully how those experiences may mirror some of the

839
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 2: things my readers have dealt with. Things like anxiety, things

840
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 2: like battling with my own inner demons, about faith, about

841
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 2: being a father, about being a good father, about marriage,

842
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: about all of it. So very excited for both, and

843
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: and I.

844
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 1: Can't wait for both. I can't wait.

845
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: It'll be fun.

846
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: Lightning rounds. These are quick ready, Yes, every celebrity has

847
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: a new brand, a tequila, a skincare line. What product

848
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: could you see yourself getting in business with?

849
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: I've jokingly said this, but I mean it ice wine, right,

850
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 2: like it's perfect, right, It's perfect for me.

851
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: You know, And I don't don't know a lot of

852
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: celebrity ice wines.

853
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: No, the market has not been cornered. What will you

854
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: call it? Oh man, I haven't gotten that far yet.

855
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, we'll work on it. We'll workshop.

856
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's workshop it together.

857
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: We're birthday twins and so we're both pisces. I don't

858
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: know if you care about astrology in your mind, what

859
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: does pisces mean to you?

860
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: Fluid? It means it means adaptable. It also to me

861
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 2: it means empathetic. I really think that we have cornered

862
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 2: the market on empathy, and I kind of love us

863
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 2: for it.

864
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that for us.

865
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 2: Every Pisces I know just is like leads with heart

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Speaker 2: and love. And you know, people call us wishy washy,

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Speaker 2: but I think we're actually just really thoughtful.

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Speaker 1: I like that. Okay, who's funnier you are? Ryannalds Ranalds.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately Randals has like an acerbic, dark witch about him

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Speaker 2: that like is so funny and he's so real, and

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Speaker 2: it's just every time he says something, I laugh, I

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Speaker 2: have to work harder for laughs.

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Speaker 1: His comedy it's very current, it's very now, it's very amable,

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Speaker 1: it's very it's extremely online. It's great. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: he's so of the zeitgeist.

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Speaker 2: He really is. Yeah, we're working. We're working on something

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Speaker 2: right now that I can't wait for people to see.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yay, okay, good Okay. This last part, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to describe three musicals to you. You have to tell

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Speaker 1: me which one's not real. Okay, okay, okay, love it. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Here's one called Ride the Cyclone. Members of the Saint

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Speaker 1: Cassian High School Chamber Choir of Uranium City, Saskatchewan, have

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Speaker 1: perished on a faulty roller coaster called the Cyclone. Each

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Speaker 1: tells their story in the form of song to win

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Speaker 1: the reward from a mechanical fortune teller, the chance to

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Speaker 1: return to life. Okay, that's one.

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Speaker 2: Okay, if that's a real musical, I don't want to

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Speaker 2: live in this world, but okay, go on.

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Speaker 1: The second is called Me and My Dick. Me and

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Speaker 1: My Dick is a coming of age tale about a

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Speaker 1: boy with a very special relationship with his very best friend,

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Speaker 1: his Dick. Together, they face the trials of growing up, love, sex,

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Speaker 1: and high school. But these two best pals are in

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Speaker 1: for the adventure of a lifetime. Hey, that's Me and

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Speaker 1: My Dick.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad somebody adapted my first biography.

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Speaker 1: Go on, Okay. And the third one is Jonestown the musical. Jonestown.

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Speaker 1: The musical is told through the point of view of

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Speaker 1: Jim Jones's chief Lieutenant of the People's Temple. Working backwards

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Speaker 1: from that infamous day in nineteen seventy eight when Jones

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Speaker 1: instructed his congregation to drink a cyanide laced fruit punch.

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Speaker 1: Through multiple musical genres Vaudeville, Americana, gospel circus, Jonestown examines

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Speaker 1: the era that made it possible for a meglomaniac like

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Speaker 1: Jim Jones to attract so many loyal followers. Okay, Ride

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Speaker 1: the Cycle, Me and My Dick or Jonestown the Musical.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to work backwards here. I think Jones

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00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: sound the musical is a real thing. Okay, I can

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Speaker 2: imagine that, like that is something that somebody's written. I

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Speaker 2: don't want to believe Me and My Dick is a

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Speaker 2: real musical because it sounds so absurd and fucking crazy,

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00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: which is why, in fact, I think it is a

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Speaker 2: real musical. So I'm gonna go with Ride the Cyclone.

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Speaker 1: Okay, It's true. They're all real, They're all real.

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Speaker 2: That's so depressing. That is just a really damning statement

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Speaker 2: about musical theater right now.

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Speaker 1: Or is it awesome that this is a place.

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Speaker 2: By the way is cut to a year from now,

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Speaker 2: and me and my dick is the new Hamilton, and

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Speaker 2: I'm eating my own words, and I'm like, I'll.

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Speaker 1: Tell you, I think it was written by Darren Cris

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00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: So it's.

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Speaker 2: Not like, oh shit, Darren's a friend of mine. Well

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00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 2: so now I really guys, everybody goes see me in

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00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 2: my dick. It's a masterpiece.

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Speaker 1: Okay. The last question is the most important to me

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Speaker 1: because this is my spirituality, this is my culture, this

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Speaker 1: is my religion. When is iced coffee season?

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you not see what's in my hand?

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00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: I see it? So when is it?

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00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 2: It's all year round.

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00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: That's the correct answer. That's the cart answer. It's all

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Speaker 1: around season.

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Speaker 2: I do two black iced coffees a day and I

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Speaker 2: have no regrets, and I do mine unsweetened, and I

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00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: want it just into my veins.

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Speaker 1: I just need it same. I don't want to sip it.

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00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: It's not precious. I inject it. If I could inject it,

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Speaker 1: I would, but yeah I can't, so I'll have it iced. God,

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Speaker 1: we really are like we are the same. We're twining,

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Speaker 1: We're always twinning. We're the same.

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Speaker 2: I love you. You're the best.

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Speaker 1: Next week on Off the Cup datelines Josh Mankowitz.

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Speaker 3: When I took this job in February of ninety five,

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Speaker 3: I didn't have the slightest thought like, Okay, this is

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Speaker 3: the thing you're going to retire from. You didn't you know,

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Speaker 3: like what lasts thirty years in television?

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Speaker 1: Nothing?

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Speaker 2: Nothing.

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Speaker 1: Off the Cup is a production of iHeart Podcasts as

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Speaker 1: part of the Recent Choice Network. I'm Your Host Si Cupp.

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Speaker 1: Editing and sound designed by Derek Clements. Our executive producers

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