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Barbara Miller disappeared in nine Police 20 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: have been very interested in the walls of a home 21 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: along North Front Street in Milton investigators say preliminary results 22 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: show the concrete contained wood chips. Now they're waiting to 23 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: see if it also holds Barbara Miller's remains. A forensic 24 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 1: pathologist is dissecting the walls looking for links to the woman. 25 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: Experts are now checking for odors left by decomposing human remains. 26 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: The police dupadity. It's just a matter of time until 27 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:51,639 Speaker 1: we get our answers. A three ton cement slab, three 28 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: tons of cement, I mean that's some back patio, right, 29 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: three tons of cement. But what is unique about this 30 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: concrete slab? It may hold the remains of a woman 31 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: that has been missing, who many believe was fed to 32 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: a wood chipper. I mean, when I hear the words 33 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: fed to a wood chipper, I've got to tell you 34 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: I perk up, all right, But a three ton cement slab, 35 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: I mean, see, Grace, this is crime stories. Thank you 36 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: for being with us. You can't put these words three 37 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: tons cement slab, missing woman, and wood chipper and one 38 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: sentence without making my head spin around. That's what's happening 39 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 1: right now. We're talking about a beautiful young woman, Barbara 40 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Miller, last seen on a warm July afternoon, after 41 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: she attended a wedding. It was four days later that 42 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: Barbara was reported missing. Okay, Immediately police searched the home 43 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: where her boyfriend's sister lived. There was construction going on, 44 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: but that meant nothing. Now we know that that cement 45 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: flooring was added on and it contained wood chips, and 46 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: that's what we know right now what happened to Barbara 47 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Miller. Sunbury Police Chief Tim Miller has stated that 48 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: a three ton slab of cement contained wood chips. What 49 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: else could it hold? I wish you could see this woman, 50 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: Barbara Elizabeth Miller, just absolutely beautiful, kind of like brownish 51 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: hair with gold streaks, natural streak, senate, beautiful brown eyes, 52 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: a gorgeous smile. Why did she go missing? Why did 53 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: four days pass before she was reported missing? With me 54 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: investigative reporter Alexis to res Chuck from Radar online dot 55 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: Com and joining us a brand new guest forensic expert, 56 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: former major crime scene investigator now Professor Karen Smith. Karen 57 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: and I have performed many physical forensic experiments together, the 58 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: two of us, and they were intense. And after I 59 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: did those recreations or recrease of a crime scene with 60 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: Karen Smith. I know she's the go to guy. Karen Smith, 61 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: forensics expert. Thank you for being with us, Alexis to 62 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: Rest Chuck, my longtime friend and colleague reporter with Radar 63 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: Online dot Com, Thank you for being with us. First 64 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: to you, Alexis terrest check. What do we know about 65 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: this gorgeous girl, Barbara Elizabeth Miller? Why did four days pass? 66 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 1: I mean, nobody has been arrested, nobody has been named 67 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: chief suspect. What do we know about her? Who saw 68 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: her at the wedding? What happened? She wanted to go 69 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: to a wedding, actually without her boyfriend. She wanted to 70 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: go alone, So she went alone to the wedding. She 71 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: and her right right there. That's a big indicator to me. 72 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: When you go to a wedding, you know, usually take 73 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: somebody with you, if you've got anybody to take and 74 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of a joke you meet your 75 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: future husband at a wedding, right So, she specifically said, 76 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to go with you to the wedding. 77 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: Now to me, that's a big red flag. Alexis. And 78 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: apparently she had spent quite a bit of time before 79 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: she disappeared, telling friends that she was afraid for her life. 80 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: She she was saying that she was really unhappy in 81 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: this relationship. So let me understand this, Karen Smith. She 82 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: goes to a wedding. Now, Alexis and I are, you know, 83 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: making it anecdotal comparisons. You're the forensics expert. To me, 84 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: if you've got a gorgeous young girl who's going to 85 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: a wedding and she specifically says she doesn't want to 86 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: go with her boyfriend, to me, there's trouble in paradise 87 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: right there. I agree, I agree wholeheartedly. Who goes to 88 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: a wedding without your spouse? Now explain to me, Karen Smith. 89 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: The chief has now said, we know this much that 90 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: they have found wood chips in the cement. Is that uncommon? 91 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: And what would it indicate to you as a former 92 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: major crime scene investigator, wood chips in the cement? What 93 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: we're dealing with six thousand pounds of concrete, that's that's 94 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: about seventy eight pound bags. And you know, as as 95 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: we all know, concrete comes separately in bags. And I 96 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: seriously doubt there the wood chips in there, and having 97 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: wood chips in the concrete, highly unusual, very questionable. I'm 98 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: really wondering what else they're going to find in there. 99 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: Let's analyze it. Karen Smith. Now, I saw my dad 100 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: lay uh several things in our backyard, a patio, a walkway, 101 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: another patio, a front walkway, just you know, he was 102 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: a railroad man, but he could have lay brick for 103 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,239 Speaker 1: a living. It's just beautiful. And I remember him mixing 104 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: the cement himself, and you're right, there wasn't which there 105 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: were not wood chips in it. Karen Smith. Now here's 106 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: the other thing. A wood chip, and I'm speaking forensically. 107 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: It's very different from a piece of wood or a 108 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: stick or a twig or something that if you're creating 109 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: the cement outside and you're mixing it yourself, that may 110 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: have gotten into it, you know, a twig, a stick, 111 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: something like that. One wood chip would not alarm me, 112 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: but more than one wood chip because they're uniformly cut 113 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: if they come out of a wood chipper, and that 114 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: is significant. That's how you can tell a stick or 115 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: a twig or branch from a wood chip. Subtle but 116 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: important difference. Absolutely, we're dealing with with mulch. Mulch mulch wood, 117 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: which is just square chip, so it would be much different. 118 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: Uh Visually, this is a subtle but extremely important difference 119 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: between a twig, stick, a limb versus a wood chip. 120 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: Now I know I'm getting into deep, deep into details. 121 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: That's how you win a case, victory or the devil 122 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: is in the details. Let's analyze the difference between sticks, twigs, 123 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: branches versus woodchips. Karen Smith joining me, forensics expert, go 124 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: at it. I agree, Nancy. We're dealing with small, square 125 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: pieces of wood, and if they're buried in the concrete, 126 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: there has to be an explanation for that. They didn't 127 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: just get there on their own. Nothing just happens. Either 128 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: somebody put them there on purpose to throw off the search, 129 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: or they were mixed in because there's something else mixed 130 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: in with that concrete that came in with the wood chips. 131 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about wood chips. Okay, let's talk about 132 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: a wood chipper. Explain exactly what is a wood chipper? 133 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: Go ahay, Karen. We're dealing with something that's going to 134 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: break down large branches, large tree limbs, and it's going 135 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: to make small pieces out of that. So it's easily 136 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: disposed or made into mulch. That's what they do. They're 137 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: very loud, they're very bulky, and they're very powerful. And 138 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: I have actually seen a case where it was an 139 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: accidental death where a gentleman got caught into the wood chipper. 140 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: Um and it wasn't very pretty well. I'm sorry to 141 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: say that I've covered cases where a wood chipper was 142 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: used to dispose of a body. A wood chipper or 143 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: a tree chipper is a machine. It's used for reducing 144 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: wood tree limbs or trunks into small wood chips. They 145 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: are often portable, which means they're easy to get or rent. 146 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: They are mounted, usually on wheels on frames to tow 147 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: behind a truck or a van or even a car. 148 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: Really power is provided internal combustion engine all right, which 149 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: means they're easy to handle. Their mounted and they're powered 150 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: some of them by separate engine. Um. Now here's the kicker. 151 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: They're made of a hopper with a collar. Now the 152 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: chipper mechanism itself is optional, but what happens is you 153 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: insert the tree limb into the hopper and the collar 154 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: is just for safety. I think of a collar on 155 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: a shirt. There's a collar on top of the chipper 156 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: so you don't fall in. As soon as you put 157 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: something in a chipper, it immediately tears it to shreds mechanically, 158 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: and wood chips are used, as you know, for ground 159 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: cover or fed to a digester for papermaking. I know 160 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: about that because my mom used to work at Georgia Craft, 161 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: a papermaking plant. Now, the thing about it is it's 162 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: covered in blades. The inside is nothing but blades that 163 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: are mounted onto a flywheel. The flywheel accelerates and it 164 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: destroys whatever you put inside of it immediately. If they 165 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: can destroy giant limbs, what will it do to a 166 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: human body. Now here's another thing for insically to examine 167 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: Karen Smith. There wasn't just one wood chip. There were 168 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: multiple wood chips in the cement and this guy's sisters basement. 169 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: And not only were there multiple wood chips Karen Smith, 170 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: but the cement was added. It wasn't as if they 171 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: were just finishing her basement. This was added cement. Right now, 172 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: a forensic pathologist is literally dissecting the walls piece by 173 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: piece looking for the smallest of clues. Now, what do 174 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: you make of the fact that the cement was added 175 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: on it? Wasn't part of her original basement. Well, certainly 176 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: that is a huge question that needs to be answered. 177 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: When was it added and why if we have a 178 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: finished basement, what is additional concrete being poured down there? For? 179 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: Not only that, but they said the walls were very thick, 180 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: the lab was very thick, and there was an exhaust 181 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: fan installed down there in a small room. I don't 182 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: understand the need for that either. So this catch this, 183 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: Karen Smith, It was a rental home. Now, when you 184 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: go to a rental home, most people don't start making 185 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: permanent improvements because they're gonna move out of the rental home. 186 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: They're not there forever. So why would you pour a 187 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: whole new floor to a basement that already had a 188 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: cement floor? Why would you do that? Karen? Hide to 189 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: body you know with me. Also, in addition to forensic 190 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: expert Kieren Smith, Alexis Torres chuck Uh, investigative reporter with 191 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: Radar online dot com. You know what else I found out, 192 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: Alexis is that several people have said over the years 193 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: that this boyfriend of hers would talk about driving to 194 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: a sister's home in Milton to quote visit his old 195 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: lady what exactly he They had a terrible relationship, and 196 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: as you said, she didn't take him to the wedding. 197 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: The last time she was seen, she had been telling police. 198 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: She actually complained to police that she was that he 199 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: was harassing her. She told friends she was afraid for 200 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: her life, and her teenage son even said that they 201 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: got in a fight that night because she didn't want 202 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: to take him to the wedding. So all these things 203 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: lead to a lot of suspicion. And then you hear 204 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: that this guy says, oh, I'm going to visit my 205 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: old lady, who says that when they drive by a house, 206 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: it's really very crazy. I don't he's I don't believe 207 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: he's married. So what does he mean that he's driving 208 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: by this basement where the cement slab is to quote 209 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: visit his old lady. Now, this is according to several 210 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: people that say he has said this overtime. Eddie Miller, 211 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: her son, as Alexis just told you, said that there 212 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: was a big fight the night before the wedding that 213 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: she planned to attend without the boyfriend. The next day, 214 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: the boyfriend, Egan, was allegedly driving his mother's car. Hey, right, 215 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: there no offense, guys. But if you're a grown man 216 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: and you still got to drive your mom's ride, Okay, run, ladies, 217 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: run as if you had seen a monster. Okay, he's 218 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: bumming his mom's car. No, n oh, okay, right, that's 219 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: a whole another cannon worms. But so the next day 220 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: he's driving his mom's car and the tires alexis to 221 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: rest truck were covered with yellow clay that he thought 222 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: was related to cement work. Okay, what about that Alexis well, 223 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: and that's this this woman's son. I mean, how how 224 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: much of a better witness can you have? Where he says, 225 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: it's so suspicious that this building, this this house that 226 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: his sister rented had some construction work. His mom disappears, 227 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: and then this boyfriend says, all the time I'm visiting 228 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: my old lady there. It's it's so sickeningly obvious that 229 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: this guy had something to do with us. I think, 230 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: you know, Karen Smith, forensics expert, major crime scene investigator, Karen, 231 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: if you see this home, it looks like straight out 232 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: of Andy of Mayberry. Okay, I mean it's a tree 233 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: line street. It's got the front porch with the wick 234 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: white wicker chairs sitting on it. It's a two story frame, 235 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: fresh painted yellow with green and brown trim. It. It 236 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: was like a Japanese maple on one side, and then 237 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: it looks like an oak tree, possibly a post oak 238 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: on the other side. With the shade in the front yard, 239 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: I mean, a little sidewall, even a fire hydrant. I mean, 240 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: it looks straight out of Americana. I'm just telling you, 241 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: you'd never dream looking at from the outside there could 242 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: be a body buried in the cement in the basement. 243 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: Oh what a more perfect place than a piece of Americana? Right? 244 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: Who would suspect? Um? I had so many questions when 245 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: I read these articles and did some research on this, 246 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: and a lot of it had to do with that house. 247 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: Where were the neighbors in, where the houses built around it? 248 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: Did any buddy here or see anything unusual? Was it 249 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:08,239 Speaker 1: unusual to have work done on the house? Um? A 250 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of questions. And you know, when 251 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: he's driving by this house and saying, I'm visiting my 252 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: old lady, is it out of his way of a drive? 253 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: Is he going somewhere in particular? These are all questions 254 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: I'd like to have answers to all I know is 255 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: that when I look at this photo Barbara Elizabeth Miller, 256 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: it's at Christmas time, the trees in the background, she 257 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: looks like she's looking right at me, saying, do something 258 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: for my son's sake. We're on it right now. We 259 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:47,479 Speaker 1: are covering the body of a missing North Dakota woman 260 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: has just been found wrapped in plastic. Okay, just right 261 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: off the top of my head. Wrapped in plastic. That 262 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: means it was not an accident. It wasn't a suicide. 263 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: It wasn't an accident because what she had an accident 264 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: and died and then wrapped herself in plastic. No, when 265 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: a body has found wrapped in plastic, that means it 266 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: was homicide and someone was staging or covering up the body, 267 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: staging the scene or covering the body. I'm talking about 268 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: the body of a beautiful, young North Dakota woman who 269 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: went missing. We covered it on crime online dot Com. 270 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: And when I found out this woman, Savannah gray Wind 271 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: just twenty two, was eight months pregnant when she went missing, 272 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: I knew right then in my mind, Savannah's dead. Now 273 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: we learned that Savannah has been found wrapped in plastic. 274 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: Now Alexis terress Chuck, joining me from Radar online dot 275 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: Com along with forensics expert Karen Smith. Alexis is my 276 00:18:55,400 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: understanding that kayakers were the ones to first spot Savannah's 277 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: body in the Red River that's just east of Hardwood. Um, 278 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: what do you make of that? I understand that her body, 279 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: wrapped in plastic, had gotten hung up on a log. 280 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: Alexis toures Chuck. So folks are in their boat going 281 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: down the river and they see a body. It's actually 282 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: caught up on a log, and it's wrapped in plastic. 283 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: But it's not just a piece of plastic. They see, 284 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: they can tell that there's actually a person inside of 285 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: this plastic. It's not submerged underwater completely. They can see 286 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: what it is and they call the police immediately. You know, 287 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: Alexis toures Chuck. Don't laugh. Okay, you might not be 288 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: to the point where you can take your son on 289 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: a high kick because he's just a toddler. Well, in 290 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: my mind, is still a toddler. But Karen Smith, alexis 291 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: torres Chuck. I just took the children on a long 292 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: hike along a river, and at one part of the river, 293 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: I just happened to know there's a drop off from 294 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: an overhang where several young male bodies were thrown off 295 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: the bridge, talking might killer serial killer Wayne Williams, and 296 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: I couldn't help it, Guys. When I was walking along 297 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 1: the trail, I kept looking out of the water, thinking, 298 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: please don't dead body float by, Please don't dead body 299 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: from the Twins. I mean, it's like your nightmare come true. 300 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: You're out kayaking or walking along the river and you 301 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: see Karen Smith, forensics expert, a dead body wrapped in plastic, 302 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: now explained to me what it means to you, Karen, 303 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: when you hear a body is wrapped in plastic, caught 304 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: on a log in a river, it means that somebody 305 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: had to kill her wrap her in plastic. I would 306 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: be very curious to know if a tape was used. 307 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: My my forensic mind goes immediately to the physical evidence 308 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: that that may be present. You know, any kind of 309 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: of a prince that may have been deposited on the 310 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: inside of that bag may still be ei there. Um 311 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: what her mechanism of death would be. And you know, 312 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: when bodies are floating, that means they've been there for 313 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: at least a few days. You know, they'll think at first, 314 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: and then they'll float back up once the decomposition process starts. 315 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: So you know, I'm hoping that they will be able 316 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: to get some forensic evidence off of her body once 317 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: they have recovered it and take it to the medical 318 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: examiner's office. Well, speaking of that, the body is at 319 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,959 Speaker 1: the medical Examiner's office right now there in Ramsey County, Minnesota, 320 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: awaiting autopsy. This is all just gone down and what 321 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: forensics expert Karen Smith just said is correct. The body 322 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: sinks initially, but when the body begins to decompose, it 323 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: creates gases within the body. Just like when vegetables or 324 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: fruit in your fridge start getting old, they become pungent, 325 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: they smell because they are emitting a certain type of 326 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: gas that goes hand in hand. It is a decompose 327 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: issian and the body does that as well, just like 328 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: the vegetables in your fridge. So when the body begins 329 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: to release those gases as it decomposes within the inside 330 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: of your body, your body begins to swell up to bloat, 331 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: and the gases, like a balloon full of gas, floats 332 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: up in the air. The body floats up in the water. 333 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: Plastic wrap is not going to contain it. Okay. The 334 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: other thing that Karen Smith just said, when you're dealing 335 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: with plastic, like a plastic tarp, okay, that is an 336 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: excellent source of fingerprints. C s I. Crime Scene Investigation 337 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: has got to be beside themselves trying to process this 338 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: piece of tarp. Karen Smith absolutely, and if tape was used, 339 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: likely it was because the plastic bag is just not 340 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: going to contain a body. You have to seal it somehow. 341 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: The sticky side of tape, believe or not, is an 342 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: outstanding source of forensic evidence. So hopefully they'll be able 343 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: to pull some ridge detail off of that as well. 344 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: If not, NA, what's wrong with the three of us? 345 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: There's Karen Smith, Alexis, Tresa, and myself. Other people see 346 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: scotch tape and they think, oh, we're wrapping a present. 347 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: We think, oh, there's fingerprints to catch a murderer. Okay, 348 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: there's something really wrong with that. Okay, and I know that, 349 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: but you know, I guess it's like with crazy people, 350 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 1: if they know they're crazy, they're really not crazy. At 351 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: least I recognize this is a way wrong. I want 352 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: to get back to this this woman. I'm calling her 353 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: a girl, but she's a grown lady. She's twenty two 354 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: years old, Savannah, and she is eight months pregnant Alexis. Tresa, 355 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: I swear I think you were with me one night 356 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: on h Lynn when I spatted off the stat that 357 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: this seeing that the number one cause of death amongst 358 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: pregnant women was homicide. And when I say it, I'm like, 359 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: I just said something wrong, that can't be right. I 360 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: looked it up. It was, as I recall, from the 361 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: New England Journal Medicine, and I was so skeptical. We 362 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: actually tracked down the woman, the female doctor that wrote it, 363 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: and she was right. I can't remember the journal, but 364 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: homicide the number one cause of death amongst pregnant women. 365 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: And here we have this gorgeous girl, Savannah. I wish 366 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: you could see the picture of her right now. Um, 367 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: Savannah gray Wind, eight months pregnant Alexis when she is 368 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: found dead in the Red River, wrapped in plastic tarp 369 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: and this was found by a farmhouse. This is not 370 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: near her apartment where she lives. She lived with her mom, 371 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: her sixteen year old brother. They said when she disappeared 372 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: that they had know it she never would have left 373 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: the house with and not come back. There was pizza 374 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: that wasn't eaten. She left her keys, they said her 375 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: anchors ankles were swollen, so she never would have walked 376 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: that far. They knew that something very bad had happened 377 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: to her when they couldn't find her. Her ankles were swollen. 378 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what was she doing out by a river? 379 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: A white water river where people are kayaking? Uh in? Oh, 380 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: now here's another kick? Or she's eight months pregnant when 381 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: she disappears. But since then, a newborn baby was found 382 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: alive in the apartment building where Savannah was last seen alive. 383 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: What do you know about that, Alexis? Well, she was 384 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: they her neighbors were police found came to their apartment, 385 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: they had a two day old baby, and so they 386 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: were immediately rested because then the police suspected that this 387 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: was her baby girl. And this seemed just these people. 388 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: This woman wasn't pregnant, she didn't have a baby. It 389 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: was just too much of a odd, scary coincidence. So 390 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: not only do we find a to a two day 391 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: old newborn baby girl in her apartment building. Needless to say, 392 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: the two people who had the baby um are being questioned. 393 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 1: But in addition to that, a farm and nearby farmstead 394 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: is being searched. Alexis terres Chuck. Right the river next 395 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: to where near where the body was found, there is 396 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: a farmstead and police have phoned in on this and 397 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: they're searching this and they're saying this maybe the crime scene. 398 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: So this is separate from her apartment, saying that maybe 399 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: she wasn't killed at the apartment, she was taken away 400 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: and as the mom said, she could barely walk eight 401 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: and a half months pregnant. And so this farmstead near 402 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: this river where the Kayakers found the body is what 403 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: police are saying maybe the crime scene. So this may 404 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: have been where she was possibly murdered. Well, when you 405 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: say crime scene, we've got the expert Karen Smith with me. 406 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: What would they be looking for at the at that farmstead? Karen, 407 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: I hate to go into to gory details, but we're 408 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: dealing with a two day old baby and she was 409 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: eight months pregnant. We know that she probably didn't deliver 410 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: it at the farmstead. Um, how did the baby get 411 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 1: removed from its mother? So we're dealing with blood. UM, 412 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: Certainly the body will give a lot of information to 413 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: the medical examiner where that's concerned. And you know, was 414 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: was this woman strangled? Um? Is there evidence of injury 415 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: to her neck? Um? Did they shoot her? Did they 416 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: It's hard to tell at this point, but I know 417 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: that the forensics so definitely blood blood. I mean, it's 418 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: not going to be difficult to to overcome an eight 419 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: months pregnant woman. I mean again, I remember when I 420 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: was heavily pregnant. I could. I tried to walk into 421 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: a restaurant with my husband. I think it was a 422 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: Friday night and someone said she better get hurt to 423 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: the hospital pronto. To my husband, Well, that was Friday night. 424 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: On Sunday morning, you remember this, Alexis, I was up 425 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: trying to get ready for church and I started jectile 426 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: vomiting and my husband came in and said, you're not 427 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: going to church, You're going to hospital. I'm like, no, 428 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: I'm going. I'm going. I need to pray about this 429 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: baby at the babies and um, he went, you're going 430 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: to the hospital. He said, you're yellow. Your whole self 431 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: is yellow. Well, needless to say, we he drove me 432 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: straight to the hospital. We ran every single red light 433 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: and he there was nowhere to part, so he dropped 434 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 1: me at the front door. I was so out of it. 435 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: I laid down on the floor at in the admissions 436 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: and the lobby of the hospital. I did have the 437 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: wherewithal to kind of crawl under a sofa type love 438 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: seat thing so people wouldn't step on me at least 439 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: got out of the way, and I laid on the floor. 440 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: Interesting now that I think about it. Normally hospital tried 441 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: to help me until my husband gave me, I gotta 442 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: you help me get off the floor. So you know, 443 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: this lady's eight months. What we know about those two people, 444 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: it's brook Lynn Cruz and William Henry Hone were the 445 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: ones that had the baby. What do we know, Alexis, 446 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: But we know that they lived in the same apartment 447 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: building that Savannah lived with her parents and her brother, 448 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: and they have now been arrested and they were charged 449 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: with conspiracy to commit kidnapping. Those are the original charges. 450 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: This was before the body was found, so I imagine 451 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: that the police are going to be adjusting those charges 452 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: if they have the evidence. And back to you, Karen Smith, 453 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: what will we learn from her body? What can we learn? Well, 454 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: we will definitely learn the mechanism of death. Um, you know, 455 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: whether or not she was strangled or anything else. Um also, 456 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: And I hate to be so gory, but you know, 457 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: we're dealing with facts here. If the baby was forcefully removed, 458 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: they will certainly be able to tell that from the 459 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: body now being in a river for some period of time, 460 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: there is going to be some decomposition. However, injuries like 461 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: that are not going to just go away. They'll be present, 462 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: they'll be readily available, and hopefully the pathologist will be 463 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: able to extrapolate whatever they need to to charge whoever 464 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: is responsible. If it's these two, then then yeah, the 465 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: police will definitely be adjusting charges for them. The body 466 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: of missing North Dakota woman, eight months pregnant when she vanished, 467 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: has been found wrapped in plastic. Kayakers first spot the 468 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: body of Savannah gray Wind, just twenty two years old, 469 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: in the Red River. Police working to try to retrieve 470 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: her body and process a nearby farmstead. They say, quote 471 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: suspicious items were found there. We don't know what that 472 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: means yet, as we look for clues and follow the investigation. 473 00:30:54,600 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: We want justice for Savannah gray Wind and let's send 474 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: up our prayers for her tiny baby and newborn baby 475 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: girl that will now grow up without her mom. We're 476 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: on it. A little girl Jackie dead. Why the little girl, 477 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: as she died took her final breaths? Can somebody explain 478 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: to me why her older sister Abdulya live strained her 479 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: sister as she lay there dying, filming her lifeless body 480 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: covered in blood, actually catching her last breaths. What alexis 481 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: terres Chuck? How did the little girl Jackie die? What happened? 482 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: Jackie died? She was in a car accident, horrific accident. 483 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: She was crushed in the car and as she lay 484 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: bleeding and dying in the car, her sister was live 485 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: streaming her death. But the older sister, her Adula, says, 486 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: she's my mini me, my best friend. She looked just 487 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: like me. Anytime I look at her, it's like I'm 488 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: looking at myself. It makes me like, uh, it makes 489 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: me like really sad that she's gone. So the sister, 490 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: who is I believe du I drunk at the time 491 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: she's driving, crashes the car and her sister is thrown 492 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: out of the car I believe, into a cornfield and 493 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: as the little girl between sister who just turned fourteen, 494 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: is lying there covered in blood, dying. She instead of 495 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: doing CPR on her sister, instead of calling nine one, 496 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: instead of trying to save her sister's life, grabs her 497 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: cell phone and starts videoing her little sister as she 498 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: lies there dying. And that's not all because now Abdulia, 499 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: the so called big Sister, is claiming that she live 500 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: streamed her sisters death and dead body after the crash 501 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: to raise money because she says she deserves to be 502 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: free to work on her own clothing line. Okay, hold on, 503 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: let me just get that straight. She live streams her 504 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: sister's death. What does that mean? Alexis Torres truck radar online. 505 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: To live stream something, you use stars. She used Facebook Live. 506 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: You film something, it's live. Your followers, she has over 507 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: five thousand followers. Friends on Facebook can watch it as 508 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: it's happening. It's not a video that you took before 509 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: and then upload. You're actually doing it live and so 510 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: people can watch it. And people are horrified because she's 511 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: not calling the police, she's not helping her sister. She's 512 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: just talking and said, oh, I killed my sister. I'm 513 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: so sorry. She she's so great, but she's my sister 514 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: and I love her, but she's dead. It was completely 515 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: callous and insane. So not only are people seeing it 516 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,239 Speaker 1: at the time it's happening, is it um curated? I mean, 517 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: can you go back and look at it again. One 518 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: of her friends actually copied, took a copy of the video, 519 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: so recorded it as she was something life and she 520 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 1: is the one that also contacted authorities about it. Now 521 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: it turns out that she's trying to raise money off 522 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: the video. It sounds like a grave robber, a ghoul. 523 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: Now we know that she was drunk, and we know 524 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: that she live streamed her sister as she died. I 525 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: don't know what this says about the dangers of social media, 526 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: but I'm not blaming social media for this. Karen Smith 527 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 1: with me, forensic expert. What do we know about Jackie's death? 528 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 1: A fourteen year old little girl. She was thrown out 529 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: of the window of her sister's car before her sister 530 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: right streamed her death. Right, she wasn't the only one. 531 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: Her sister's friend was also thrown out but survived. So 532 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: they were both in the back seat and they we're 533 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: not wearing seatbelts, so when the car rolled, this was 534 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: a rollover crash. This wasn't just you know, going through 535 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: a fence into a cornfield. The car flipped. So we're 536 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: talking about high speeds. We're talking about a lot of 537 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: energy expenditures and a lot of physics and work here. 538 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: Her little sister went through the back window and was killed, 539 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: and her sister's friend was also ejected. But in the 540 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: video you can see her sister's friend actually trying to 541 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: flag down someone for help till while ab Julia is 542 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 1: live streaming this, the one that was ejected is the 543 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: one that has the presence of mind to try and 544 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: get help while she goes ahead and puts this on 545 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: social media, and she clearly states that she did it 546 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: and that's not going to help her at trial. But 547 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: now she says she's trying to raise money from the 548 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 1: live streaming to start launts her own clothing line. Hello. 549 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: Early in the note that she's just written, she writes 550 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: about an album she wants to record and dedicate it 551 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: to her dead sister. Okay, and she's sending it to 552 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 1: this song Kamala Floor by Selena? What is this about 553 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: her own clothing line? Help me on this, help me 554 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: understand this? She says, she wants she has. She's only eighteen, 555 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: she's she's a whole life ahead of her. She's really young. 556 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,959 Speaker 1: So one of the things that she wants to do 557 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: is start a clothing line that she thinks that she 558 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: could design clothes. And then she also says that she 559 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: wants to open up a boxing gym, and she wants 560 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 1: to put up a statue of her sister so that 561 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: people can remember her. Okay, take a listen to this girl. 562 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:36,879 Speaker 1: She is pleading not guilty. She didn't count one with 563 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: rose vehicular man slaughter while intoxicated as a felony advanced 564 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: under PEP all Right, Uh, is that your true and 565 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: correct name, Miss Sanchez? All Right, you're here today for 566 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: a Raymond on a felony complaint. You're a charge and 567 00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: count one with rosy vehicular van slaughter intoxicated. That's a 568 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: felony offense under Penal Code section one ninety one five 569 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,879 Speaker 1: subdivision A count two charges. You would vehicular manslaughter under 570 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: one ninety two C subdivision C subdivision one of the 571 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: Penal Code count three charges. You were driving under the 572 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: influence of an alcoholic beverage causing injury. That's a felony offense. 573 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,720 Speaker 1: There's an enhancement, uh special allegation or causing great bodily 574 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: injury and that is on the victim h m S. 575 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: Count five charges you were driving under the influence of 576 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: an alcoholic beverage causing injury of felony on the victim 577 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: j S. And there's an enhancement for great bodily injury 578 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: on that charge also, and count six charges you with 579 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,800 Speaker 1: a felony driving for point oh a blood alcohol causing 580 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: injury felony offense also on JS with the same enhancement. 581 00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 1: Do you understand the charges a little bit? Uh? Do 582 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: you have the funds to hire your own attorney? So 583 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: I know there you hear the sister of Dulia in 584 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: court as a judges speaking to her. I wanted you 585 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 1: to hear that Kiaren Smith, forensics expert, her defense lawyer, 586 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,399 Speaker 1: already has the claim. What do you know, Karen. He's 587 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 1: saying that there was a problem with a tire tread 588 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: on one of the wheels of the car. And that's 589 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 1: a little curious to me, considering I did some research 590 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 1: on two thousand three Buicks, which is what she was driving. 591 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: There are no recalls, there's no manufacturer problems reported with tires, 592 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: and frankly, that is an issue, a maintenance issue for 593 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: the owner. That's not a problem with with the tire itself. 594 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,959 Speaker 1: So I'm not quite sure where this attorney is going 595 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: with that. It was just interesting to me that was 596 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: going to be the defense. You know, don't you just 597 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: hate it, Alexis Terres write our online dot com when 598 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: your defense attorney comes up with this great defense about 599 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: the tires caused the wreck, and hey, don't look at 600 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: my client, look at these tires. And then you find 601 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: out there was nothing wrong with the tires. Whoopsie. And 602 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: not only that, she had been live streaming the whole 603 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: day up to this, showing herself driving speeding down the road, 604 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: like almost crashing into a van, and she says, you know, oh, 605 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: we do that all the time. Everybody snapchats from the car. 606 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: It's what we do. We're fine, We're young, Like this 607 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: wasn't This was something she'd been doing all day long, 608 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,240 Speaker 1: was driving recklessly and filming it at the same time drinking. 609 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: You left that part out now this end, she says, Okay, 610 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 1: this is what she says when people have attacked her 611 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: verbally attacked her about what happened. Quote, You're only going 612 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: to make my parents suffer more. You're not going to 613 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 1: help anybody. My parents are grieving. They want me back home. 614 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: The house is super lonely without us. We were like 615 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: the joy of the house. Okay, she's talking about her 616 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: and her sister that she killed and live streamed her 617 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,800 Speaker 1: death while she was drunk. And she is attacking people 618 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: that have verbally chastised her client that they're just hurting 619 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 1: her parents. All right, where is this going to Alexis 620 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,240 Speaker 1: to risk check what's happening? I mean, this is crazy. 621 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: Why did her lawyer let her write this letter? I 622 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: guess you couldn't stop her talking about she needs the 623 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: money from the video of her dying sister to start 624 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: her clothing line. Yeah. I don't think that this attorney 625 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: really has any control over her, because no, I'm not 626 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: the attorney that's to you. But I wouldn't imagine. And 627 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: the cases where I've covered, attorneys don't usually tell their 628 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: clients to write rambling a page letters to news stations. 629 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: I would like to get them as a reporter, obviously, 630 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: but this is she He's saying, He's coming up with 631 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: a lot of excuses. He says, you know, you, this 632 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: is only just a few minutes of the day that 633 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: you know about her that you're basing your opinion on. 634 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: He says she is a victim of child sex trafficking, 635 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,879 Speaker 1: she has a terrible background, and that this is what's 636 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: going to come out and to show what a bad 637 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: life that she had. So he's really setting up an 638 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: extensive defense. All right, the jury is going to have 639 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 1: that letter in their hands. She also says that the 640 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: reason she did the live streaming is now. This is 641 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: before her sister died. She started live streaming. In her 642 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: four page double sided letter to a reporter at kg PE, 643 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: t V and Fresno, she said, I know I had 644 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: more than five thousand followers, and it's the only way 645 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: my sister could get a decent burial. I never exposed 646 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: my sister like that. I anticipated the public donating money 647 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 1: to me because my family is not rich, and oh yes, 648 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start I'm gonna launch my own clothing line. 649 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: That is bad. But then she says, I accomplished my goal. 650 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: She apparently has raised money. More than twelve thousand dollars 651 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 1: was donated to a go fund Me account created by 652 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: the family to help with the funeral. Wow. She has 653 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: now charged with half a dozen crimes, including gross vehicular 654 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 1: man slaughter, and she said that live streaming was quote 655 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,399 Speaker 1: like a reflex. Okay, that's where we stand right now. 656 00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: The videos showed Sanchez looking into the camera and singing 657 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 1: as she was driving, and the sister and the friend 658 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,319 Speaker 1: also in the car. As she was recording herself. She 659 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 1: loses control over two thousand three buick and crashes. The 660 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: video stops. She says she called nine one one for 661 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,800 Speaker 1: help and then started recording. She panned to the body 662 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 1: of her sister lying there out in a field, who 663 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 1: had suffered major head trauma, and as the video streamed, 664 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: she says, I killed my sister. Okay, I know I'm 665 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: going to jail for life. She says that right then, 666 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: some reports say she said I don't care. I guess 667 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 1: we'll find out at trial with me. Alexis terres Chuck, 668 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: writer on online dot Com, and forensics expert Karen Smith 669 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,959 Speaker 1: now to Alan Duke, Alan, I want to hear how 670 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: I can help the victims of Hurricane Harvey right now. 671 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: I know that there is looting going on. People are homeless, 672 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: they don't have power. There have been casualties. What can 673 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: we do to help? Alan? The mayor of Houston, Sylvester Turner, 674 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: has put out the call. He's got a short list 675 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: of supplies in Houston that the shelters are in desperate 676 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: need of right now, including dry clothing for both adults 677 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: and children. You know, many of them are coming out, 678 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: they're just soaking wet when they arrive at the shelter. 679 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 1: Diapers as a mom, and you know how critical that is. 680 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 1: And there's a severe shortage of diapers, baby formula, medical supplies, 681 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: and food. That is the top list. Now. If you're 682 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: in the Texas area, there are local organizations you can 683 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 1: donate to, but overall authorities are recommending and asking and 684 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 1: pleading for you to donate to the American Red Cross 685 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,839 Speaker 1: and you can reach them at red Cross dot org 686 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 1: or one eight hundred help now one three five seven 687 00:43:54,719 --> 00:44:00,319 Speaker 1: six six nine. Okay one D three five seven six 688 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:05,800 Speaker 1: six nine. You can also go to um CORE United 689 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: Methodist Relief. Of the money that goes to um core 690 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,720 Speaker 1: U M C o R goes to help the victims 691 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: one of that or DIALT Like Alan just told you 692 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,400 Speaker 1: right now, FEMA is expecting more than four hundred and 693 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 1: fifty thousand Harvey disaster victims to file for assistance. That's 694 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 1: a half a million people. US emergency management officials say 695 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,239 Speaker 1: they're trying to expedite federal resources. And let me tell you, 696 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 1: I know, because um, we went on mission's work immediately 697 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: following Katrina, and it was devastating. We worked so hard 698 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,360 Speaker 1: to rebuild. People were out of their homes, out of 699 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 1: their apartments. They had nothing, nothing at all. Give me 700 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: those numbers again, please if you could tell me, Well, 701 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,319 Speaker 1: the simple thing, of course is to go to Red 702 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: Cross dot org or if you want to use the phone. 703 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 1: Help now three five, seven, six, six nine. Okay, what 704 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,719 Speaker 1: do we know about the Harvey victims, Alan, Well, we 705 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: know they're still trying to rescue them and it's going 706 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: to go on for days and days. You know, with Katrina, 707 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: it took a long time for them to really realize 708 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,799 Speaker 1: the magnitude. With this, they've got thousands of people still 709 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: stranded either on their roofs for the second fourth of 710 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,840 Speaker 1: their home, some of them in waste, high water, or worse. 711 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,959 Speaker 1: So it's still a picture that is unfolding. Please join 712 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:41,359 Speaker 1: with me and help the victims of Hurricane Harvey. They 713 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,200 Speaker 1: are our very own here in our backyard, and they 714 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,320 Speaker 1: are suffering. Please call the Red Cross toll free number 715 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 1: eight hundred four three five seven, six, six nine. Also 716 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: continue to pray for those who are suffering because of 717 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:04,280 Speaker 1: Hurricane Harvey. Also let's pray for their early response teams, 718 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 1: disaster coordinators and volunteers there who were trying to help. 719 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 1: Please dial toll free one eight hundred four three five seven, 720 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:17,720 Speaker 1: six six nine for Red Cross assistance to Hurricane Harvey victims, 721 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 1: or UM Corps United Methodist Committee on Relief toll free 722 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 1: eight hundred five five four, eight five eight three one 723 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:34,279 Speaker 1: eight hundred five five four eight five eight three or 724 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: eight eight eight two five two six one seven four. 725 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:45,040 Speaker 1: Please help us help our friends. Nancy Grace Crime Stories 726 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,280 Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend