1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Official Jets Podcast, powered 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: by Amazon Web Services. Ethan Greenberg, Eric Allen, and we're 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: joined by Connor Or, the staff writer for Sports Illustrated 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: used to cover the Jets on the beat a couple 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: of years ago, and we basically got his reaction to 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: the early signings and agreements to terms in free agency 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: and before we hear from him e A. I'm curious, 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: what are your first reaction, your first impression of this 9 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: class that Joe Douglas has brought in. I think the 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: headlines headliners early for me, Green's have definitely been Carl 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: Lawson and Corey Davis. The Jets making that transition defensively 12 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: from a three four to four three. They need an 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: explosive guy off the edge. We talked about it in 14 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: the lead up to free agency and loss in in Cincinnati. 15 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: Twenty sacks and fifty one games, but you gotta look 16 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: beyond just the sacked numbers, because he was one of 17 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: the top quarterback disruptors in football over the course of 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: the last two seasons and coming out of Auburn. Remember 19 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: eight and a half sexs his rookie season, quarterback hits 20 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: and quarterback prushures that have been part of Carl Lawson's game, 21 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: and Joe Douglas has always talked about building from what 22 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: on both sides, the line of script, scrimmage and inside out. Well, 23 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: the Jets have one of the better interior defensive tackles 24 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: and football Quinn and Williams, who can really disrupt the quarterback. 25 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: Now they're bringing in somebody off the edge and Carl Lawson, 26 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: who's got a lot of good football ahead of him. 27 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: He's just twenty six years old. Done on the other 28 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: side of the ball, we knew the Jets were going 29 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: to have to address receiver across from Denzel Mims for Shot. 30 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: Perriman entered free agency unrestricted free agent. He ultimately landed 31 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: with the Detroit Lions. Is gonna play with the Lions 32 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: as pops former team. But Corey Davis is a guy 33 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: who had his best season with the Titans. LAS next 34 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: year and you go back to two thousand and eighteen, 35 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: he had sixty five receptions, much like two thousand twenty. 36 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: But in eighteen, Matt Lafleur, the current Green Bay Pecker's 37 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: head coach, of course, was the offensive coordinator with the 38 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: Titans Soul. Now with the Jets. Corey Davis is going 39 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: to be playing for Matt Lafleur's younger a younger brother, 40 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: MICHAELA Fleur, running that same Shannon Shanahan type system, and 41 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: Davis has shown the ability to flourish in that before. Yeah, 42 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: I think that the Jets got younger, they got faster, 43 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: they added good pieces on both sides of the ball. 44 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: And with LaMarcus Joyner and Jared Davis, it feels like 45 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: the narrative around those two guys has been that they 46 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: weren't properly used in their last system. So with Joyner 47 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: and the Raiders, Ian rappaport Uh he tweeted something like 48 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: Marcus Joinder was used primarily in the nickel. He wanted 49 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: to play safety. He fits the Jimmy Ward play the 50 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: scheme well, the playing where Jimmy Ward played in San Francisco. 51 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: LaMarcus Joiner can do that with the Jets, and then 52 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: with Jared Davis. A lot of people thought Jared Davison 53 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: the three four not a great fit in the four three, 54 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: he could flourish and really hone in on that talent 55 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: that is obviously they're considering. He was drafted one overall 56 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: in two thousand seventeen, So those two guys really stand 57 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: out to me. Davis is an opportunity for a career 58 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: reset here. Ironically, he was drafted a few picks after 59 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: Corey Davis in the first round two thousand seventeen, and 60 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: he was playing with the Lions last year in the 61 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: three four. So I'll come here and uh playing a 62 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: four three and you've talked about the speed that he 63 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: showed coming out of college, and he's gonna come and 64 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: hit you. He fits in that Solim mode where he's 65 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: gonna play one temple and that's a hundred miles pro. 66 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: And LaMarcus Joiner the Jets needed more in the secondary. Uh. 67 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: Marcus may of course receiving the franchise tag so the 68 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: Jets can can continue to work on a long term 69 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: deal with their m v P from last season. But 70 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: Joiners a guy who's played all over this secondary with 71 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: the Rams and the Raiders, so I think that was 72 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: quite an addition. How about special teams? I right, justin 73 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: Hardy is automatically going to be a top five fan 74 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: favorite with the New York Jets. I don't know what 75 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: number any of these guys will wear. I don't know. 76 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what number Justin Hardy will wear, but 77 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: he's number one in Jets fans hearts as it stands, 78 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: because that press conference was electric. I think Jets fans 79 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: and really all football fans and just anyone really would 80 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: enjoy listening to Justin Hardy talk talk about what makes 81 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: him such a good special teams player. And if you 82 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: haven't seen it, I definitely encouraged to watch it. The 83 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: full press conference on New York Jets dot com at 84 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: the clip of it. Go to your Twitter account, you 85 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: can go to I. I didn't want to plug the Twitter. 86 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to play on I'm a team Jets. Yeah, 87 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: e Greenberg Jets, but you know n y jetz dot com. 88 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: We're a team here, you know. I wanted to click 89 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: for the website, not necessarily from my Twitter. Anyway. Let's 90 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: hear from Connor now joined by Connor Or, a staff 91 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: writer at Sports Illustrated. You've gotta make sure to subscribe 92 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: to s I. Connor, thanks a lot for joining us 93 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: here on the Official Jets Podcast. Yeah, thanks for having me, guys, 94 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. So free agency is underway. We're 95 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: recording this Friday, March nineteen, so It started probably earlier 96 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: this week. Monday was the negotiating window. Wednesday, free agency 97 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: officially opened. Generally speaking, Connor, what have you thought of 98 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: the jets early moves here? I thought they were really smart. Um. 99 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: I think that any time that you can get guys 100 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: in that six to seven year old range where you 101 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: know there's still a lot of prime athleticism, there isn't 102 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: a ton of wear and tear on the body, I 103 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of advantages to that, and 104 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: what we're looking at maybe a sort of an underdeveloped theme. 105 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: There is guys who are performing above their circumstances and 106 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: places where they were right. So you have Lost In 107 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,239 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, who I think is a much better pass 108 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: rusher than numbers indicate. Same with Jared Davis in Detroit, 109 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: and then Corey Davis in UH in Nashville out there, 110 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: so I think there are guys that are doing things 111 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: that you know, you might not see necessarily in box scores, 112 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: but that are going to translate in other places. So 113 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: I thought it was a really smart, really sort of uh, 114 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: you know, pinpoint in free agency. It seemed like there 115 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: was a lot more of a focus maybe than they've 116 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: had in in in the last few years. You've been 117 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: in this business for a long time. But with that 118 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: being said, you're a young guy, why don't you inform 119 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: the listeners and viewers when you were a Jet speed 120 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: writer and who you actually work with in the past, 121 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: Because I'm going to connect it to the Jets and 122 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: their most recent past, because Connor once the last time 123 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: the Jets had a dominant pass rusher, Well, yeah, when 124 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: I was there was Sean Ellis, right, I covered the 125 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: team from so the play at that second a f 126 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: C championship year run was Shawn Ellis and they had 127 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: Trevor Price Um. You know that was a great one 128 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: to combination Um and just a great defense in general, 129 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: Rex Ryan and Bart Scott and Darrell Reevus. And that 130 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: was I mean, the further away I get from that team, 131 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: the more special that I realized how complete that unit was, 132 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: how well designed that unit was. I mean, you had 133 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: guys like Jim Leonard who were just like he was 134 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: just like a safety in that unit. And now he's 135 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator at Wisconsin. That I'll tell you right now, 136 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: half the teams in the NFL want to be their 137 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. They want him to come to the NFL. 138 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: He's that good and that's smart, and so you know, 139 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: just the brain power that was on that team and 140 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: you know, you just don't you don't realize it at 141 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: the time. Um, you know, kind of how special something 142 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: that you were witnessing is was there. But that was 143 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: I mean, that was an incredi double defense and that 144 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: pass rush, especially in that playoff win against New England, Um, 145 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: you know, just came alive and it was always good. 146 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: You know, they relied a lot on the simulated pressure 147 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: stuff that Mike Petton did really well that year, but 148 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: that was just a straight dominant pass rush in that 149 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: New England game. And Sean Ellis had never seen him 150 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: play that good before that was that was incredible. Yeah, 151 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: he had an underrated career with the Jets. But I'm 152 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: glad you mentioned Ellis because we gotta go back to 153 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: the draft in two thousands and the four aces and 154 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: you think about John Abraham coming off the edge, Carl Lawson, 155 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: what kind of potential does he have? Because you just 156 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: mentioned it. Everybody looks at his sac numbers, which aren't 157 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: staggering um on the surface, but you look beyond that 158 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: and say, this guy disrupts the quarterback as well as 159 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: anybody coming off the edge in the league, it seems, 160 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: at least in recent memory. And he's twenty six years old, 161 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: So I'm not comparing him to Abraham. I'm not saying 162 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: he's gonna be John in Abraham. But do you think 163 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: the Jets are getting ascending player who could potentially be 164 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: one of the top premier pass rushers in NFL. Yeah. 165 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: I mean forty four total pressures last year, and and 166 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: almost thirty quarterback knockdowns, which, like to me, is nearly 167 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: as good as a sack, or almost as good as 168 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: a sack. I mean, maybe you don't have the backyardage, 169 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: but you're probably forcing it incompletion there um or you're 170 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: forcing you know, throwaway something like that. So I feel 171 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: like those are all positive place. He doesn't miss tackles. 172 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: I think he had a five percent miss tackle rate 173 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: last year um, which was really good. And what was 174 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: sort of the biggest surprise for me and free agency 175 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: was if you're the Bengals, you're between that and you're 176 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: between a guy like Trey Hendrickson who you're spending the 177 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: same amount of money on. Trey Hendrickson had a lot 178 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: of sacks last year, but you go back and watch 179 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: them all contextually, and you know, Lawson's working harder on 180 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: these plays. You know, Hendrickson is coming off of stunts. Um, 181 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: you know he's cleaning up maybe a mess that Cam 182 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: Jordan made something like that. Lawson did have those guys 183 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: around him in Cincinnati. That was and and I think 184 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: schematically too, there was a lot of problems with that defense, 185 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: and so I think you're kind of getting a diamond 186 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: in the rough situation there where Um, I think Cincinnati 187 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: knew that they should have kept him. I don't know 188 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: what the calculus ended up being there, but you could see, 189 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: like you know, at least from my perspective, he should 190 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: have been in the franchise. To that conversation, I think 191 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: he's that good. Between Lawson and then quinnin Williams and 192 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: the inside. Now, what do you think about the way 193 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: the Jets front four is coming together? Because you think 194 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: of what Robert Sala had in San Francisco and Jeff 195 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: Albrook will be calling plays, but with Lawson and Williams, 196 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: it seems like you have two good pieces to build 197 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: this foundation on. Yeah, I mean, you're gonna have interior 198 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: pressure which is so important, you know, and and then 199 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: with Lawson, you're gonna finally add that that edge component 200 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: to it. And that's what Salo had that was so good. 201 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: I mean, when you have Bosa in San Francisco, you know, 202 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: everything you do can work off of his ability to 203 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: create chaos. But I think that these guys are on 204 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: their way. I mean, it reminds me a little bit 205 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: of how they developed over time when when Todd Bowles 206 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: was there, you had you know, Damon Harrison and Moe 207 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: Wilkerson and Leonard Williams and you had kind of that 208 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: group there that was creating a lot of chaos and 209 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: they had that one really good season together. I think 210 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: that that's probably where we could see this going where um, 211 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: you know, especially with the way that quinnin Williams finished 212 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: the year last year, I think that you could have 213 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of potential there and and I 214 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: think that they're building it in a way that is 215 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: not you know, it's sustainable where you're gonna be able 216 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: to stop the run. Both of these guys can stop 217 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: the run really well, and you know you're not gonna 218 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: get you know, gased or burned outside and these guys 219 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: aren't necessarily just finesse rushers either, So I think all 220 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: that stuff bodes well, especially for Sale and the kind 221 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: of mentality that he brings. I think we'll come back 222 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: to the defensive side of Bob, but let's stay with 223 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: the headliners and talk about Corey Davis. What do you 224 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: think about him? The former number five overall pick in 225 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: the two thousands seventeen draft, had his best profile national 226 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: season last year and a two thousand eight team. What 227 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: jumped out to us was that Matt la Fleur was 228 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator there and he played very well in that system. 229 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: And now fast forward to two thousand twenty one and 230 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: he'll be playing for Matt la Fleur's younger brother, Michael Fleur. Yeah. 231 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: I think what sticks out to me with Corey Davis 232 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: is every year there are some kind of key indicators 233 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: that you look at and he's gotten better at. So 234 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: each year in the league um a quarterback when targeting 235 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: Corey Davis, his passer rating has gone up. So it 236 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: was ninety one his rookie year was a hundred, and 237 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: then it was a hundred and twenty three point six 238 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: last year, which is super high. I mean, you think 239 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: about quarterback having a one three passer rating when targeting you, 240 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: you have to like that his drop rate has lessened 241 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: every single year that he's in the league. So these 242 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: are those things that tell you, like, Okay, you have 243 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: the athletic talent, you have the god given gifts, and now, okay, 244 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: is he on the jugs every day? You know? Is 245 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: he working hard to find open space and develop in 246 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: the offense. And those are the things that I think 247 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: that those stats tell you. So it's not only the talent, 248 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: but it's the willingness to to get better and to 249 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: improve on that. And I think that he's he's shown 250 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: totally shown the willingness to do that. And again, you know, 251 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: a j Brown takes the headlines in Tennessee much in 252 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: the way that some of these other guys had seen 253 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: other defensive players or offensive players, uh shine in a 254 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: different way. But that doesn't mean that he wasn't also 255 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: getting better, you know. And I think that he's definitely capable, 256 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: especially with Mims on the other side, I think that 257 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: can be a very good, very effective one to combination. 258 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: So the Jets have officially signed Corey Davis at the 259 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: time we're recording this. They've reportedly agreed to charge with 260 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: Keelan Cole, the former Jaguars receiver. With those two additions, 261 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: does it give you any inside at all as to 262 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: what type of offense the Jets want to run under 263 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: Mike Lafloor, Well, I think it's that Shanahan system, right, 264 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: And the Shanahan system is all about creating opportunities to 265 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: get guys yards after the catch. You look at the 266 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: kind of receivers that Aisle Shanahan wanted in San Francisco, 267 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: guys like Deebo, Samuel Brandon, Aiyuk, and what he wants 268 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: are athletes that are going He's going to be able 269 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: to get the ball to them with at least two 270 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: or three yards to either side of them so they 271 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: can continue to play and potentially create that explosive play. 272 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: And so I think that's the kind of athletes you're 273 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: looking for, right. Keelan Cole is another great example of 274 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: that um and so I think that they're in a 275 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: good spot right. And that offense, naturally, if it's run correctly, 276 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: creates a lot of opportunities for guys, and so it 277 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: elevates a lot of players. But when you also have 278 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: these good yard after the catch guys, everything can kind 279 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: of take off and really kind of hit the ground running. 280 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: And so I think that, you know, this offense has 281 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: been the secret sauce of the NFL for the last 282 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: two or three years. Now, you're probably going to see 283 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: it run by about half the NFL teams this year, probably, 284 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: I would guess. And uh, you know it's because it's 285 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: just so good at giving teams opportunities to extend the 286 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: ball after the catch. What do you think about Jared 287 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: Davis is signing You're gonna come here first four seasons 288 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: the Detroit Lines was that alpha mela at the University 289 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: of Florida. I know a lot of people have high 290 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: expectations for him. Uh last year, Uh, people thought maybe 291 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: he was miscast in a three four. Now he comes 292 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: here is four three uh four three system where Robert 293 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: Salem wants his guys running, running full speed. And the 294 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: book on Davis has been early in his career is 295 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: that he's been an effective blitzer. He's a powerful guy 296 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: who gets after will lay you out, and he can 297 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: get up the field. Yeah. I mean, if you're solid right, 298 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: your whole deal is the is the all gas, no 299 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: breaks thing. I mean, that's what he started in San Francisco, 300 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: and those are the kind of players that he wanted. 301 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: And to me, if you just call up Davis's tape 302 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: and you watch it, I mean, that's what you're getting. 303 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: I mean, in essence, is just a guy that's going 304 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: to lay people out. And you know, I think that 305 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: we we you know, there are statistical underpinnings to that 306 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: that you should look at. I mean, yeah, does he 307 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: need to be better in coverage, certainly, I mean, but 308 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: has he been better in coverage when Um, you know, 309 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: in different circumstances and different defenses. Yes. So I think 310 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: that you get a guy like Solid to get his 311 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: hands on Davis, and I think that he's a player 312 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: who could take off and really become that legitimate, you know, 313 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: that middle linebacker that we talk a lot about UM. 314 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, I like him a lot. I mean, he's 315 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: he's a fun player. And you know, for perspective, there 316 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: are coaches that I had talked to UM around the 317 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: league who couldn't understand, couldn't overstate enough. I guess how 318 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: much of a mess that defense was UM in Detroit, 319 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: especially like the last two years, where there were coaches 320 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: they were going into those games and they were playing 321 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: the Lions, and they were beating them at stuff, and 322 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: there was just no adjustments being made, and they were 323 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: like just giddy with it, you know, they were so 324 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: excited that they were able to just hammer this team 325 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: in the most simple ways. And so I think that 326 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: that kind of hurts Davis's evaluation a little bit. You're saying, well, 327 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: why didn't he do this well? Or why didn't he 328 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: do that well? I think a lot of times he 329 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: wasn't put in a good spot. And you go into 330 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: a position where you're able to play with someone like 331 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: Robert sal and I think all of a sudden that 332 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: can turn some things around for you, because you know, 333 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: when you're with a good defensive coach, you're almost always 334 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: going to be in the right spot, you know. And 335 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: I think that's a big difference between playing for Sala 336 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: and playing where he did in Detroit. For out of 337 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: all the players that the Jets have either signed or 338 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: reportedly agreed to turns with, based on what you just said, 339 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: is it fair to say that Jared Davis maybe has 340 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: the most untapped potential that we've seen in the NFL. Yeah, 341 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: And and that's part of that's on us right. I mean, 342 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: we're the ones that are you know, quote you know 343 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: air quotes rating these players. And I think that, you know, 344 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: we're the ones that are you know, saying who's good 345 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: and who's bad. And so, you know, with Davis, that's 346 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: probably the most that's most likely the player that ten 347 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: games into next year when you're listening to w f 348 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: Ann and somebody calls in and says, yeah, you know, 349 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: I like that guy, you know he was. He surprised 350 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: me a little bit, Like I wouldn't be surprised if 351 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: that's the guy that you're talking about, because he comes 352 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: in under the radar. But again, I would caution everybody, 353 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: it's like, go back and watch the games and um, 354 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: actually just just keep your eye on him kind of 355 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: in that context and watch the way he's flying around 356 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: the ball. I mean, he's always going a hundred miles 357 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: an hour. Does that bite him sometimes? Sure? But like, 358 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: wouldn't you rather have a guy that's picking his gap, 359 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: his trusting his gut in his right percent of the 360 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: time and is blowing somebody up. I mean I would 361 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: say that's what you would want if you're Robert Saw. 362 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Let's go back a level 363 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: on the defense. The Jets needed more depth in the secondary. 364 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. Marcus May got the franchise tag. 365 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: The two sides can can continue to work on a 366 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,479 Speaker 1: long term deal, but reportedly they've agreed to terms with 367 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: LaMarcus joined, our former second round pick of the Rams 368 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: who most recently played with the Raiders. I love his 369 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: versatility Connor, and also he's the guy who I think 370 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: is gonna fit in tremendously in terms of this culture. Yeah, 371 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: I think it's another person where you you know, you're 372 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: judging guys coming off of um defense. Is that. I 373 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: mean in Las Vegas they had a changing coordinator because 374 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: things were a little bit of a mess there, But 375 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: the talent is there, and you're right. I mean, if 376 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: you're Joe Douglas, you're gonna have to hit on some 377 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: of these guys before you can. You know, like maybe 378 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: everybody was patting the table saying sign Patrick Pearson or whatever. 379 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: You know, that's not what you're gonna have to do. 380 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: Like look at what the cults are doing and building 381 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, where they're hitting on the Kenny Moore's of 382 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: the world, and I think that this is a similar 383 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: signing where it's gonna not cost you a lot of 384 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: capital upfront, there's a lot of upside and you're gonna 385 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: be able to hit on this. And you know you're 386 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: not gonna have to just do it once or twice. 387 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,719 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to keep turning these guys over and 388 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 1: finding talent in the secondary. So I thought that I 389 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: thought it was a good signing. You know, I think 390 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: that Douglas has been smart. You know, I think he's 391 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: not um, he's not lighting a bag of money on fire, um. 392 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: And I think that he's he's finding good players. Connor, 393 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: my final question to you, at the time we're recording 394 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: and by the time this gets posted, this could totally change. 395 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: But knowing who the Jets have signed and reportedly agreed 396 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: to terms with, are there any names or positions that 397 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: you think could be on the Jets radar for the 398 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: rest of free agency, not only in this upcoming week, 399 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: but the next couple of waves as well. Deshaun Watson, No, 400 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. UM. One name that I heard, uh 401 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: kind of uh, you know, I think that would be interesting. 402 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: So I did. Uh. I did a film project with 403 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: Sheldon Rankins before UM free agency started. Former first round 404 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: pick of the Saints. Um, you know, I think it 405 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: was a twelfth overall pick, had some achilles issues in 406 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: New Orleans, and um, you know I had connected him 407 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: to the Jets in one of my free agency posts, 408 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: and everyone's like, we don't need that, we don't need that. 409 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: But if you think about it, you're you're strengthening his strength, right, 410 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: and you're making something. You're taking something that's gonna be 411 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: hard to defend, and you're gonna try to make it 412 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: impossible defend to defend, just like Robert Salo was doing 413 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: in San Francisco. And I think Rankin's is a really 414 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: great sort of budget option there. Um, you know, he 415 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: can play a lot of different positions. He came out 416 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: of college with that J. J. Watt pedigree, like he 417 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: was inside outside Rushier did a lot of versatile stuff 418 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: there and uh, just a really interesting player in New Orleans. 419 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: Um and so yeah, we we we watched some of 420 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: his film, broke down some of the stuff that he 421 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: did really well in New Orleans. And I think that 422 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: would be a great fit there. You pair him on 423 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: the inside with Quinn and Williams on third and longs. 424 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: He can stay on the outside and rush a guy that, again, 425 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: you know, doesn't get the attention because you know, you're 426 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: playing with Cam Jordan, You're playing with these other guys, 427 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: and you were hurt for a lot of your rookie contract. 428 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: But that's a position that I think might be, uh, 429 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: might be really interesting to see if they even sort 430 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: of try to overload on the defensive line a little bit. 431 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: If you're Joe Douglas, how are you analyzing the Jets 432 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: quarterback landscape? You just Joe looked about somebody else, a 433 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: famous player, one of the elite players in the National 434 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: Football League, on somebody else's roster. But Joe Douglas has 435 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: been forthright that, hey, we are going to study all 436 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: our options. And while the Jets think Sam Donald's unbelievable 437 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: talent who ultimately will reach his potential, he said if 438 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: teams call, he would certainly listen. And the Jets in 439 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: an advantageous and advantageous position with the number two overall 440 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: selections in the NFL draft. So what do you think, 441 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: what kind of advice would you give Joe Douglas over 442 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks. He doesn't need my advice, 443 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: but he uh I think that he's smart in you know, 444 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: I've heard some people complain about the UM, you know, 445 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: him being so forthright about saying I'm gonna take any 446 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: call on my phone's always on. But if you set 447 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: the precedent from that from day one, if that's who 448 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: you are and you're honest about that, I think that 449 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: that's all the players really want. I mean, everybody knows 450 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: it's a business, and I think the problem is guys 451 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: who pretend that it's not, and they pretend that they care, 452 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: and then they're taking the calls, and then it gets 453 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: out that they're taking the calls, right, And so why 454 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't you, if you're Douglas, just say yeah, I mean, 455 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: my job is to make this team better. My phone's on, 456 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: people are gonna call, and I'm gonna listen. And I 457 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: think that that's just the perfectly reasonable way to expect 458 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: anybody to conduct business. And I think that it's smart. 459 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:27,239 Speaker 1: And this this UM, this draft class presents a lot 460 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: of interesting options. So I think, you know, you take 461 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: your time, you do your due diligence. There's probably a 462 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: window in there where you if you make up your 463 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: mind that you would like to let him go you 464 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: don't want to fall into the Josh Rosen situation where 465 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: every day that you're not dealing him, you're basically costing 466 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: yourself a piece of draft capital. You know, I think 467 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: that there's probably a peak window there where you can 468 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: hit it. Um, it's probably very soon because a lot 469 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks are gonna start flying off the board 470 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: and teams are gonna want, um, maybe a developmental option, 471 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: like I'm thinking, if you're Pittsburgh, if you're San Francisco, 472 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: if you're in New England, even though they wouldn't trade 473 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: them to the Patriots, but um, you know, some of 474 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: these teams are gonna want younger developmental options there, and 475 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: so Donald could be intriguing if you decided to move on. 476 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: But so I think he's doing the right thing. You know, 477 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: I think that anybody complaining about him picking up the phone, 478 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: you know what general manager is picking up the phone, 479 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, maybe outside of Nick Assario right now in Houston, allegedly. 480 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: But I even think that maybe he's not picking up 481 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: the phone, but maybe he's maybe he's on What's app 482 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: or something. I don't know, someone crypto, How about your projects? 483 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: What are you working on? I got a lot of stuff. 484 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, like you said, uh, we're you can 485 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: subscribe to s I now and so you know, we 486 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: have a ton of great stuff. We have our you know, 487 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: daily cover story every day with some great in depth reporting. 488 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: We have a lot of our analysis, and myself and 489 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: another former Jets be writer Jenny Rerentis and Albert Brier. 490 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: We're holding down the fort over at the mmqb UM. 491 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to give away too much, but I'll 492 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: say that, you know, I have a lot of really 493 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: exciting stuff coming down the pike. UM on the technology front, 494 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: sports technology, UM, and of course like all of our 495 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: draft stuff, you know, we're working hard. We have a 496 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: lot of draft um, interesting draft profiles, some guys that 497 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: might end up on the Jets. So yeah, be sure 498 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: to uh to sign up. We're running a dollar special 499 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: right now, UM, so you know you can't beat that, 500 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: and you can combine that with an option to get 501 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: the print magazine once a month. So I would always, uh, 502 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: I would always urge people to do that because it's 503 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: a it's a great product that's in line with mine 504 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: and Ethan's budget. The dollar specials, we like those big 505 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: fan of the dollar special You gotta Connor, thanks a 506 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 1: lot for your time. We'd really appreciate it. Yeah, thanks guys. 507 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: You know one thing we didn't talk about with Connor 508 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: ore And it's fine because I don't know how many 509 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: times he spoke with Carl Lawson. But you spoke with 510 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: Carl Lawson. Don't you think that he's gonna thrive in 511 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,959 Speaker 1: terms of being a fan favorite and with the New 512 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: York media. He seems very authentic, but almost in a childish, 513 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: fun joyful way. I think he's a happy guy. I 514 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: think that he sure is happy with the money he's 515 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: going to receive from the New York Jets, but make 516 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: no mistake about it, he wants to be considered an 517 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: elite player in the National Football League. And you talked 518 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: about that childlike personality. We saw it when Kim Jones 519 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: was asking him a question and he said, Hey, I 520 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: like your house, but you gotta change the colors up 521 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: because Kim's background NFL Network, Great Report or her background 522 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: in the house was purple. He said, you gotta put 523 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: some green in there. But Lawson, when I talked to him, 524 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: it was very clear that this is a guy who 525 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: not only studies football film and preparation of of his matchups. 526 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: But also he's just a fan of the game, and 527 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: he's a technician, and he's a guy who's gonna bring 528 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: a lot of skills to the table. Um. So I 529 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: think that he does have a childlike exuberance. Um. But 530 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: those guns for higher are not for hire anymore. And 531 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: that's what I said to Carl Lawson because he wants 532 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: to he wants social media and said, uh, you know, 533 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: you put that out there after the mangal is elected 534 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: not to tag him, But he was just wanted to 535 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: put something out there, he said. And he's a guy 536 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: who I think he loves life, but he loves football 537 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: and he wants to be part of a build here. 538 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: And Lawson is a guy that's a key position, not 539 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: only in this defense, but in every defense in the 540 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: National Football League. We saw that in the Super Bowl. 541 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: You can impact the game if you get to the quarterback. 542 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: So I want to put these guys behind us because 543 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: as we record this free agency is still going on. 544 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: We're still in the thick of it. Maybe the first 545 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: wave is coming to a close, but they're still the 546 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: second and third waves. And the Jets aren't done in 547 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: free agency. So I'm curious. I just kind of wanted 548 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: to talk about where else you think the Jets could 549 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: address in free agency. Not necessarily named layers, but if 550 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: you got a couple of names, throw them out there. 551 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: But the risk you run the risk that that player 552 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: could be reportedly agreeing, determined with a separate team by 553 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: the time that this podcast hits the airwaves or by 554 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: the time someone listens to it. Okay, so things changed 555 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: so quickly, you know that it seems like every minute 556 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: and we'll be scanning and real quick, there you go. 557 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 1: But as of this morning, the Jets had approximately thirty 558 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: four million dollars in cap space. So um, the interior 559 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: guard position that they did make a play there already. 560 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: But uh, Nickel corner, right we started free agency? Brian Pool, 561 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: of course the u f A, what's gonna happen there? 562 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: Javlyn Gidrey played really well for the Jets last year. 563 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: You wonder how he fits in their plans and what 564 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: kind of role he's gonna have. But could the Jets 565 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: address the nickel corner position in an outside corner? I 566 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,719 Speaker 1: think Bryce Hall and Bless Austin just the body types 567 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: good fits for this system. But you still might be 568 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: looking to add uh in other piece or two it's 569 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: a cornerback position. And then again we got to underscore 570 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: the fact that Joe Douglas says, draft and developed. So 571 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: even if the Jets don't don't do certain things in 572 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: free agency, it can come back and do it in 573 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: the draft because ultimately that's where they want to build 574 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: this thing. And what do you think about the linebacker position. 575 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: I can't imagine they're done there either. Yeah, I can't 576 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: imagine they're done there. But to your point, does that 577 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: happen in free agency? Where does that happen in the draft? 578 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: I think that I think maybe in terms of if 579 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: your were too, if you were to make a mock 580 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: draft of the current Jets picks in the first three 581 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: rounds or at least their first four picks, so excluding 582 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: the second third rounder, maybe before free agency, you would 583 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: have said, well, definitely you would expect them to take 584 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: a wide receiver in the first or second round. Now, 585 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: maybe I think the it's kind of shifted to maybe 586 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: now it's more of an interior offensive line and cornerback vibe. 587 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,479 Speaker 1: And I think that you know, could the Jets make 588 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: a play at either of those two positions or any 589 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: of the ones that we mentioned in free agency. Still 590 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: absolutely is this draft class known for its lineman. Absolutely, 591 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: So you talked about draft and developed. You saw who 592 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: in the number eleven overall pick was last year for 593 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,479 Speaker 1: the Jets. Maybe Joe Douglas wants to double up on 594 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: that in the first or second round, even the third round, 595 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: to try to create a young core inside that offensive 596 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: line room. Yeah, and then that's the other thing with 597 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: the wide receiver position. Keelan Coles is somebody we addressed 598 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: with Connor or so you know, you have more depth 599 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: at the receiver position automatically, and that doesn't mean you 600 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: can't go get somebody in the draft. Um. The tight 601 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: end position is fascinating because, as you know, Kyle Pitts 602 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: is one of the top prospects in the entire draft class. 603 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: Some people probably will have him a top there two 604 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: or three selections or or their big board right the 605 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: top two or three overall players on their big board, 606 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: But after that there's quite a drop off. I think 607 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: Chris Herndon has some good football left in front of him. 608 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: Ryan Griffin still on this roster, will have to see 609 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: how that all pans out. The tight end position. Um. 610 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: But they've gotten better on the outside at the receiver position, 611 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: and a lot of people have asked about running backs. 612 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: While you got Ti Johnson here did some good things 613 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: and it's also a burner um la. Michael p Ryn 614 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: remember a third round pick of the New York Jets 615 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: a year ago. And then also Josh Adams resigned as well. 616 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: So if you watch San Francisco what they've done in 617 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: the past, if they addressed running back by either second 618 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: day picks or third day picks or even going those 619 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: undrafted free agents, Yeah, I think that the San Francisco 620 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: style of running back is just who's hot. You know, 621 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: you gotta carry, you gotta you rip off a ten 622 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: yard run. Here you go have at it again. And also, 623 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: I mean you think of the outside zone. Not necessarily 624 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying this is a perfect marriage, but you think 625 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: about what the Jets did against the Raiders late in 626 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: the year running mostly behind McKay Beckton with that outside scheme. 627 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: Ty Johnson had his first a hundred yard game as 628 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: a pro. So maybe that that's this system suits him. Well, 629 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. But the one thing I do 630 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: want to mention before we wrap up this podcast. It's 631 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: a rather lighter note. There are three players on this 632 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: roster who have warned number eighty four for their entire career. 633 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: Ryan Griffin currently on the roster, Corey Davis comes to 634 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: the Jets, and Keeling Cole, who hasn't signed his contract 635 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: yet as we record this, also wears eighty four. So 636 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna see some new numbers here shortly. That's a 637 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: very good point, uh, you know, by like, I want 638 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: to see Corey Davis in an eighties number. You know, 639 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: I don't care if it's eighty four. You don't you 640 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: don't like any of the teens, huh. I just feel 641 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: like it's time to have an eighties receiver again on 642 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: the Jets. And I think since Corey Davis has worn 643 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: eighty four, I think he'd look good at eight eight. 644 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: He's got the body frame for it. Hey, I said 645 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: p Ryan was a third round pick? Is that accurate? 646 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: I think he was a fourth round pick. The I 647 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: think his buddy Jabbari, another Gator, was a third round pick. Yeah, 648 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: four Gators currently on the roster right, Yes, sir. And 649 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: that two thousands seventeen draft class littered with Gators with 650 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: Jared Davis, Marcus May, who else was that class? Teazed 651 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,719 Speaker 1: Tabor Quincy Wilson was in that class, I think, and 652 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: he another former Jet. Yeah. Um yeah, listen, I do 653 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: think Corey Davis looks good in eighty four. I don't 654 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: know how this is all gonna shake out. I just 655 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: think he looks like in eighty four to me. Yeah, 656 00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: And of course, if you want to add the sent 657 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: him into it. Titus Davis, his older brother, wore eighty four, 658 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: and I think that's why he wears eighty four. So 659 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: we'll see, you know, maybe Ryan Griffin and Corey Davis 660 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: can shake something out. Yeah. Well, you know, there's always 661 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: financial transactions that sometimes to become public. Sometimes they don't, 662 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: won't have to see what happens. But right now Griff's 663 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: got the eighty four. You go to Europe just dot 664 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 1: com well and we will stay tuned. Not only did that, 665 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 1: but every episode of the Official Jets podcast powered by 666 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: AWS