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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot
Speaker 1: streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com.
Speaker 2: And the official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones,
Speaker 2: Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3: We hadn't heard this in a while, You.
Speaker 4: Mean we hadn't heard in a while.
Speaker 3: We heard it Friday on a Monday.
Speaker 4: Of course, we always play it Friday. It's fabulous fight
Speaker 4: song Friday. We just haven't had a victory Monday for
Speaker 4: a while. That's sad. Yeah, we were talking on her.
Speaker 4: That's you count as to win. Don't you think? I
Speaker 4: think the Cowboys won that game twice?
Speaker 3: Maybe three times?
Speaker 4: Well? Well, well a factory Monday. You're inside the s
Speaker 4: w BC podcast studio and this is mix Shots brought
Speaker 4: to you by Miller Lite. And Mickey already has his
Speaker 4: nose to the grindstone because there's another game facing him
Speaker 4: in three days.
Speaker 3: Boy, that's gonna be quick, right, that's the Giants, But
Speaker 3: we can talk about the Giants tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about the Commanders. Let's talk about what they
Speaker 4: call Dallas week in DC.
Speaker 3: Boy, they spoil a lot of people's up coming Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3: I'll guarantee you that although there was quite a few
Speaker 3: Cowboy fans in that stadium, and I was sitting there beforehand,
Speaker 3: and when I'm thinking about all the people or all
Speaker 3: the guys that weren't going to play, and I'm sitting there,
Speaker 3: going all these poor people they and they were in
Speaker 3: the lower bowl, right good seats with the yard line,
Speaker 3: right behind the Cowboys bench, and I'm going, I wonder
Speaker 3: how much they have to pay for those seats, And
Speaker 3: now the Cowboys are going to go out there with
Speaker 3: this team, and uh yeah, how wrong you could be.
Speaker 5: I had a good time just watching it. I was,
Speaker 5: I was downright giddy. I got admitted. I was in
Speaker 5: the hotel room. It was time to check out, and
Speaker 5: I wasn't going anywhere.
Speaker 4: You paid for a late checkout?
Speaker 6: No, No, I knew the manager, so you know, I
Speaker 6: forgot You're ever since Walter.
Speaker 7: I must admit I a little lie.
Speaker 5: I said that mister so and so said that I
Speaker 5: was supposed to have a late checkout.
Speaker 7: They believe me. It was easy.
Speaker 4: You know what.
Speaker 3: That's funny because my column that's going to go up
Speaker 3: as soon as are out look starts working here again today,
Speaker 3: I wrote, I said, you know, I know these people
Speaker 3: in the stadium were probably coming out of their skin.
Speaker 3: I said, but if you were watching that home, I
Speaker 3: bet you got up off your pup and started dancing.
Speaker 3: It was just unbelievable. Really, I don't think I've seen
Speaker 3: a game like that.
Speaker 5: Especially what say, the last minute forty.
Speaker 4: Whatever, there were a total from the three oh two
Speaker 4: mark on the last three minutes of the game there
Speaker 4: were thirty one points scored.
Speaker 3: It was three to three at halftime three three and
Speaker 3: only because of a block field goal, a missfield goal.
Speaker 4: Their missfield goal, Cowboys led twenty to nine with three
Speaker 4: oh five left. With three two left, the Commanders scored
Speaker 4: with then a two point conversion which made it twenty
Speaker 4: to seventeen, so you'd add it up. Final score was
Speaker 4: thirty four to twenty six. So the Commanders in the
Speaker 4: last three o two scored seventeen points and the Cowboys
Speaker 4: scored fourteen points. Thirty one points in three minutes.
Speaker 3: So the Cowboys that ended up scoring two return touchdowns
Speaker 3: yep for a total of twenty seconds. Turpins was thirteen
Speaker 3: and one yea. Thomas oh Boy picked the click.
Speaker 4: Man and it was Interpin's score came with two forty
Speaker 4: nine left and one ye Thomas came with fourteen seconds left.
Speaker 3: Which I'm sure everybody on the bench is yelly, go down,
Speaker 3: go down?
Speaker 8: What do you do?
Speaker 4: Look on McCarthy's face. A TV shot to McCarthy and
Speaker 4: he had this yes, and then oh what's he doing?
Speaker 3: I even said it. I was what I was like,
Speaker 3: I talked to myself in the press box and I'm
Speaker 3: going go down.
Speaker 5: How about the best three sixty return for a Testtown kid?
Speaker 3: His unbelievable.
Speaker 5: I mean that was the fastest three Yeah, I think
Speaker 5: I've seen it.
Speaker 4: Turned the game around basically, because you're sitting there at
Speaker 4: twenty to seventeen with three h two left, and this
Speaker 4: Dallas offense was going to have to do something Otherwise
Speaker 4: Jayden Daniels in Washington was going to get another chance.
Speaker 4: And I think they have the capability of throwing an
Speaker 4: eighty six yard touchdown.
Speaker 7: Faster Turpins on.
Speaker 3: He's unbelievable, He's funny.
Speaker 4: He's he talks a mile a minute. He talks faster
Speaker 4: than he runs.
Speaker 7: Head up after that.
Speaker 3: Right, oh you should have seen it?
Speaker 4: And on and someone said he's got a career as
Speaker 4: an auctioneer.
Speaker 7: I heard that on the ticket Saturday. That's so funny.
Speaker 3: So when I asked him today, I said, do you
Speaker 3: think he mishit the kick? Or did Can he not
Speaker 3: get it to the end zone? And he goes, oh no,
Speaker 3: he goes, I know that guy. I played against them.
Speaker 4: At Oklahoma Austin Cybery.
Speaker 3: He's a good kicker. They were trying to mess with me,
Speaker 3: you know, kicking it short line drive.
Speaker 4: Special coach had tricks up his sleeve, as evidenced by
Speaker 4: the block to field goal to start the game. And
Speaker 4: then the Cowboys got his number later.
Speaker 3: And he gets the ball and you know, and it's like,
Speaker 3: so what do you see after you spin? And I go,
Speaker 3: because you were going like very deliberately right, And he goes,
Speaker 3: I was trying to see their angles, angles, angles.
Speaker 4: He's so good at his craft. He's like a scientist
Speaker 4: in the laboun he got.
Speaker 3: I mean I could see it because I could see
Speaker 3: the whole field where we're at. You guys got TV.
Speaker 3: But he he started going at the ten and when
Speaker 3: he got to the fifteen, and one guy came with
Speaker 3: a hand and just tapped him. I go, he's gone, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and the and they're not going to catch him.
Speaker 5: He reminded me of the whole premise of the forty
Speaker 5: six defense bears right. No one could get by him
Speaker 5: in the running game, but Tom Langer was always holding
Speaker 5: that carried up and saying, but if you get by
Speaker 5: that first wave right, you're gone.
Speaker 3: Well that was the premise of this new kickoff a
Speaker 3: little because they thought that if you can get by
Speaker 3: the first wave, we got a chance. Exactly, big returns
Speaker 3: because there's nobody behind but.
Speaker 5: Everyone everyone can't make a three sixty move right right
Speaker 5: to get by the way.
Speaker 7: That's where the expertise goes.
Speaker 4: Everyone's gonna try it now they're gonna get They're gonna.
Speaker 7: Yeah, oops oops oops, you know, because those were too.
Speaker 3: Well, you're seeing that from Zeke. But it's at the
Speaker 3: at the at the line of scrimmage because he can't
Speaker 3: get past the life discribage, and so.
Speaker 4: He does it three sixties swallowed up as soon as
Speaker 4: he gets the ball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Everybody makes fun of him. Do they
Speaker 3: watch the runs when he gets them? Of these, there's
Speaker 3: no hole. It's not like he can't with Zeke.
Speaker 4: It's as if okay, Zeke's in the game, they're going
Speaker 4: to give him the ball.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable. But yeah. So so today they started asking him
Speaker 3: about he wears glasses now Turken okay, and uh it
Speaker 3: was like, well, he goes, well, I had trouble reading
Speaker 3: and I couldn't see distance. And it's like, well, you
Speaker 3: can see the football, okay, Oh yeah, I can see
Speaker 3: the football. I just can't look across the locker room
Speaker 3: and read those names. They're fuzzy. So I finally decided
Speaker 3: to get glasses and I asked him, I said, could
Speaker 3: you see the end zone? He said always?
Speaker 4: So is he wearing contexts?
Speaker 3: I believe, I believe so. Yeah, but he's got these
Speaker 3: big I know.
Speaker 4: It came out a couple of weeks ago. He had
Speaker 4: gone the eye doctor.
Speaker 3: And he didn't realize that. He said, I had trouble reading.
Speaker 4: I remember when I was in fourth grade when I
Speaker 4: got glasses for the first time, and I thought everyone
Speaker 4: saw like that. In fact, Everson, I was the quarterback
Speaker 4: for the nine and under Irving WYMCA Army and we
Speaker 4: set a record by scoring no points the entire season.
Speaker 4: I was the quarterback and I led our team to
Speaker 4: zero points. I was the commander of the army, and
Speaker 4: that's when we figured out that I needed glasses. I remember,
Speaker 4: and I remember going to downtown Dallas. I was just
Speaker 4: heaving the ball down field, and I remember going to
Speaker 4: downtown Dallas get my new glasses and then put them on,
Speaker 4: and it was like this whole world open up to me. Wow,
Speaker 4: there's skyscrapers here, but that's Cavante Turpin. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: amazing detail. You can see, you can others names on
Speaker 4: the lockers across the way.
Speaker 5: Well, as a kid, you know, I think it's different
Speaker 5: from as a grown man to finally say wow, maybe
Speaker 5: the ball looked better.
Speaker 7: You can say everything much.
Speaker 3: So what do you think of all these performances? That
Speaker 3: and knowing what they didn't have on the field, which
Speaker 3: was the most dramatic best.
Speaker 5: I think when the score got to be twenties was
Speaker 5: the twenty seventeen yep, that was Did you pick that?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 5: I picked it after the field goal twenty seven twenty Yeah,
Speaker 5: I to what you picked?
Speaker 7: Okay?
Speaker 5: And Donovan Wilson was my boy who happened to punch.
Speaker 4: The ball out, Uh huh, yeah.
Speaker 3: I was looking because he wasn't in coverage.
Speaker 5: I was talking to nobody in the in the hotel
Speaker 5: room like twenty seven twenty and then when he knocks
Speaker 5: about like I started to text you guys.
Speaker 6: I know every time I text. So yeah, just if
Speaker 6: text you guys, Washington would have won. I was so
Speaker 6: glad I didn't text. I almost said some of that.
Speaker 4: It definitely makes a difference. It makes a difference where
Speaker 4: you're sitting watching the game. It's so Josh Butler.
Speaker 3: Yes, twelve tackles, three passes, broken up, a sack. I
Speaker 3: believe he had maybe a tackle for a loss. It
Speaker 3: just this guy was on the practice square.
Speaker 4: You know why he had twelve tackles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, because they kept throwing at it, but
Speaker 3: they didn't want to throw They didn't want to throw
Speaker 3: it land right.
Speaker 4: We talked about him in training camp. Yes, that's why
Speaker 4: I wanted to interview him, that the three million followers
Speaker 4: on top need to go interview him. He was look
Speaker 4: and and we did. We did a full blown story
Speaker 4: on him. But so I watched him in training camp.
Speaker 4: I said, this guy he's got something here.
Speaker 3: He did I mean he I thought he was going
Speaker 3: to make the team. Yeah, I was surprised they got
Speaker 3: him on the practice squad. Right, Well, he just held
Speaker 3: court today. It's his birthday, by the way.
Speaker 4: Wow nice.
Speaker 3: But he stood there and talked to the last person
Speaker 3: that asked him a question, and it was me because
Speaker 3: he looked at me and he goes, you got something.
Speaker 3: I go, yeah, I said, what was the mindset going
Speaker 3: into this game? When you had all these guys missing?
Speaker 3: What were you thinking? He goes. All I know is
Speaker 3: I've worked hard, I studied, I practiced. This was my opportunity.
Speaker 3: He goes, and I have to take advantage everything I've
Speaker 3: gone through to get to this point. He goes, I'm
Speaker 3: not worrying about who's not there. I'm there and I
Speaker 3: got to play.
Speaker 4: You have been talking a loud about them, Bill Well,
Speaker 4: I mean, once you dig into his story and realize.
Speaker 4: But I first noticed him on the field. I to
Speaker 4: think he had a pick in the first practice at
Speaker 4: training camp or something of dak okay, and so that
Speaker 4: caught my and then I'm starting and I knew that
Speaker 4: they had signed him like a and he was in
Speaker 4: camp last year and played in pre season games last year.
Speaker 4: But once I but it was a late signing because
Speaker 4: he had played in the USFL. So he wasn't here
Speaker 4: during the off season, and but when and then you
Speaker 4: get into the season and he's on the practice squad
Speaker 4: and you don't pay attention to practice squad guys, and
Speaker 4: so really digging in this year and then you read it.
Speaker 4: You hear about his story and losing his parents when
Speaker 4: he was in college at Michigan State and uh, and
Speaker 4: then COVID hits, So he wasn't drafted, but he had
Speaker 4: two degrees from Michigan State, including a master's degree, and
Speaker 4: COVID hits, he doesn't get an opportunity and because there's
Speaker 4: basically pro day got canceled or whatever, and so he's
Speaker 4: got no chance to even and so then he goes
Speaker 4: and makes something of himself, goes to Hollywood and his
Speaker 4: entertainment career and starts up his you know, he's an
Speaker 4: entrepreneurial spirit about him. But at the same time he's
Speaker 4: still working out and stuff. And it's like three years
Speaker 4: passed by, and then finally he gets a call from
Speaker 4: the USFL Michigan Panthers in twenty twenty three. This is
Speaker 4: like four years after he graduated from Michigan State, and hey,
Speaker 4: we need you. Yeah, and so.
Speaker 3: He hold it right there too, because they asked him,
Speaker 3: how did the Michigan Panthers know about you? And he goes,
Speaker 3: I got no idea. That's like, did you know somebody
Speaker 3: there that you know, said hey, this guy can He goes, No,
Speaker 3: he goes, they called me one night, and he goes
Speaker 3: and thank god, I answered the phone, and they said
Speaker 3: we'd like to sign you. And somebody said, did you
Speaker 3: have an agent? He goes, I didn't have an agent
Speaker 3: until last year. He goes.
Speaker 4: I he was in California, and so he said, give
Speaker 4: me two days. He drives to Michigan and plays for
Speaker 4: the US and then the Cowboys because they scout the
Speaker 4: USFL and then they give him a shot right before
Speaker 4: training camp last year. And they liked enough about him.
Speaker 4: They was on the practice squad all year out of
Speaker 4: West Mesquite High School.
Speaker 7: Here.
Speaker 4: Wow, I mean, it's amazing story. Well, and he's you know,
Speaker 4: so he's twenty seven years old. He's not like some
Speaker 4: young pup coming in here. And then yeah, he's got
Speaker 4: a maturity about him.
Speaker 3: They asked him about because they asked him something and
Speaker 3: he says, well, I've got patience. I had to wait,
Speaker 3: you know, wait for my chance. He goes, but I
Speaker 3: had a he said, I had a gold board and
Speaker 3: I had all these sticky notes on it, he goes.
Speaker 3: One of the sticky notes was play in sign a
Speaker 3: contract in the NFL. And that's when he was going
Speaker 3: through his three year deal, just trying to get back
Speaker 3: in the game. And here he is today. How about this?
Speaker 3: And I think this is indicative of just what happened yesterday.
Speaker 3: In the locker room opened at eleven o'clock. I left
Speaker 3: there about out eleven thirty five. The guys talking were
Speaker 3: Janier Thomas, Josh Butler, and Cavante Turpin. There was no
Speaker 3: Dak Presscott Zeke and and by the way, CD it
Speaker 3: was those three guys.
Speaker 4: But those are the guys we wanted to talk to.
Speaker 3: Yes, and those are the guys that marved that victory possible.
Speaker 3: Right And and I guarantee you Josh Butler didn't know
Speaker 3: he was gonna start until probably Saturday. Diggs is questionable
Speaker 3: with some I don't know what it was, growing hamstring whatever,
Speaker 3: and then he doesn't even go to the game. When
Speaker 3: you're questionable, you don't you don't stay home. And now
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, you're up, you're starting, and I'm sure
Speaker 3: Washington looked and go, huh, number thirty one's out there. Okay,
Speaker 3: we're gonna throw at him.
Speaker 7: Game plan just scratch that.
Speaker 3: And he should have had that interced he said. He said,
Speaker 3: I said, you wanted that interception. He goes, oh, man,
Speaker 3: he goes, I had it. But the guy when he
Speaker 3: put his hand up to try to catch it, it
Speaker 3: went right in my face. And I couldn't see the
Speaker 3: ball at the end. But he jumped that route, and
Speaker 3: you know, his guy caught it. But there was no
Speaker 3: mistakes like a mistackle or a miscoverage.
Speaker 7: That layed to bigger.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he did his job, and it's a it's
Speaker 3: a pretty neat story.
Speaker 5: This game reminds me of I think it was nineteen
Speaker 5: eighty seven Cowboys versus Cardinals in Texas Stadium, and we
Speaker 5: had Steve Diassi playing outside linebacker right, the deep snapper
Speaker 5: and middle linebacker. Yeah, I mean, quintessential middle linebacker. He's
Speaker 5: that that fireplug, right, so you put him on the
Speaker 5: outside now, and I think we had Jeff roh on
Speaker 5: the other side, and the Cardinals needed the game to
Speaker 5: make the playoffs, and I don't know what happened to us.
Speaker 7: That game.
Speaker 5: But we started playing our asses off, and those linebackers,
Speaker 5: that little crew that was just put together at the
Speaker 5: last minute, they played so well and we beat them,
Speaker 5: and we knocked them out of the playoffs. I believe
Speaker 5: that was nineteen eighty seven. And it was the feeling
Speaker 5: is that you had no shot in the beginning, and
Speaker 5: when you go into a game and you think everyone
Speaker 5: says you have no shot, and then there's this feeling
Speaker 5: that's in the huddle that was different from any other
Speaker 5: feeling that you had in the other games that you
Speaker 5: should have won that you lost. This one was, Oh hell,
Speaker 5: theosces in you know, Jeff Rosen, like, oh, what kind
Speaker 5: of game plan can we come up with? And I
Speaker 5: don't think their game plan mattered, you know, for some reason,
Speaker 5: the guys in that huddle played perfectly for what they
Speaker 5: can do, and the cards couldn't get over.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm sure there's people out there going, well,
Speaker 3: son of a gun, they just messed up a draft pick.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: It's like, go tell those young guys in the locker
Speaker 3: room though.
Speaker 7: Right, how do you play for a draft pick? I
Speaker 7: don't know how you do that. If I'm on the
Speaker 7: field as a player. Does this mean I make a.
Speaker 3: Play time people in the media?
Speaker 5: Yeah, how do how do I do that? As a player?
Speaker 5: Do I make this play?
Speaker 3: You're sitting there going I got the opportunity of my life.
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, So do I go out there and not
Speaker 7: may play?
Speaker 3: I need a contract?
Speaker 7: Is this rehearsal? You know? So?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's unbelievable to think that way that. Yeah, let's
Speaker 3: just tank, right, yeah, go tell those guys that are
Speaker 3: trying to make a career to go tank. Uh And
Speaker 3: And I thought McCarthy was really good after the game
Speaker 3: when he said this was this game he told them
Speaker 3: this Saturday night, he goes, this game is about who
Speaker 3: we have of playing, not about who we don't have played.
Speaker 3: Because if you looked at that, oh my, you realize
Speaker 3: the top five paid players did not play in that game.
Speaker 3: And it's not just money, we're talking experience. You got
Speaker 3: three guys Dak nine years, DeMarcus Lawrence eleven, Zach Martin eleven,
Speaker 3: Brandon Cooks eleven, and then Trayvon Diggs with his five.
Speaker 3: It's forty I think it was forty seven or fifty
Speaker 3: some years of experience that was not in the game.
Speaker 3: And they played like that, so all the people out
Speaker 3: there also that were, you know, banging the drum that
Speaker 3: Washington's turned this thing around and they got it figured
Speaker 3: out and they know how to run a franchise. Now
Speaker 3: go go think about their A tip hail Mary from
Speaker 3: being six and six right.
Speaker 4: Now and having lost four of the last five game,
Speaker 4: Yes for the Hill Mary.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean there were previous games where we had
Speaker 5: a chance to do then what we did.
Speaker 3: And didn't make the play that they needed.
Speaker 7: To or made the mistake that you should not have made.
Speaker 5: And that's so I think about that that Cardinals game
Speaker 5: and other games that I've seen and played in like that.
Speaker 5: It didn't matter who was out there, the game plan
Speaker 5: was put together perfectly, and the guys didn't make the
Speaker 5: mistakes to lose the game themselves. And we've seen what
Speaker 5: we could have done that I would say in the
Speaker 5: last at least three out of five ball games that
Speaker 5: we played, we could have realistically won three of those
Speaker 5: last five five games.
Speaker 3: Well, Baltimore three point loss, you were one down away
Speaker 3: from getting the ball back down by three, and you
Speaker 3: let them have the first down the Atlanta game they
Speaker 3: were in, and and think about this, how they started
Speaker 3: the game, blockfield goal, miss field goal off the right upright, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, when he was warming up that direction,
Speaker 3: I was watching and his ball was getting pushed to
Speaker 3: the right, and he didn't compensate enough for the win
Speaker 3: that was up there that it didn't feel like he
Speaker 3: knew I tell.
Speaker 4: The way he was he should have gone.
Speaker 9: He left.
Speaker 3: He left the ball too far in the middle, playing
Speaker 3: Milwaukie talkie in the back third.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've noticed.
Speaker 3: Third possession, Donald loses his first fumble of the year.
Speaker 3: And then what happened the fifth possession, They had another
Speaker 3: bonehead thing that took place, and it was like and
Speaker 3: it's three three a half time, so uh, it was like,
Speaker 3: there's this is what you expected, right, except for the
Speaker 3: missed field goal, the block field goal, although you know now,
Speaker 3: I'm sure with the couple of the offensive linemen out
Speaker 3: you had to re shuffle who was out there on
Speaker 3: field goal block. Oh, I know what it was. It
Speaker 3: was the block punt and you still win the game.
Speaker 4: And then the sixth possession you were three and out punt,
Speaker 4: and then finally the seventh possession, with fourteen seconds left
Speaker 4: in the half, you had the forty one yard pass
Speaker 4: the Jalen Brooks that put you in position for the
Speaker 4: tying field goal.
Speaker 3: Jalen Brooks too, by the way, Yeah right, another name.
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Speaker 4: In the break, I'm going to treat Everson and Mickey
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Speaker 4: He got a master's in Media and Information.
Speaker 5: So there you go, and singing his assah very talented.
Speaker 3: I wrote down here on my game book at five
Speaker 3: sixteen scotent makers scores at twenty two yard touchdown. But
Speaker 3: before that, the Cowboys in the fourth quarter had kicked
Speaker 3: a field goal. So in the entire fourth quarter, forty
Speaker 3: one points were scored. Right, think about that. That's about
Speaker 3: as bizarre as it comes.
Speaker 5: It's I don't think I've seen the Cowboy game end
Speaker 5: like this in a long time.
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever had a long time. So, Bill,
Speaker 3: I think everybody must have been listening to our podcast.
Speaker 3: So they picked up on the Steve burline.
Speaker 4: Oh they did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard they said it on the TV broadcast.
Speaker 3: I didn't hear it, So I did not they heard
Speaker 3: it on the broadcast.
Speaker 4: Maybe it was on the radio broadcast. Maybe I mentioned
Speaker 4: it on our Cowboys game Day show on CBS yesterday,
Speaker 4: and Babe Laffenberg was on the show. Now you weren't
Speaker 4: here Friday, and so you didn't hear. I was talking
Speaker 4: about the fact that in nineteen ninety one, a backup
Speaker 4: quarterback went into Washington eventual Super Bowl champion Washington team
Speaker 4: Cowboys were five and six at the time, six and five,
Speaker 4: Fox and five and Apeman got hurt and Berlin game
Speaker 4: of the third quarter, and so Steve Berlin comes off
Speaker 4: the bench and leads them to a twenty four to
Speaker 4: twenty one win. Yeah. And uh, you know, Berlin is
Speaker 4: a radio analyst now on the Compass broadcast of Dallas
Speaker 4: Cowboys games, and so he travels with the team. So
Speaker 4: he was at the game yesterday.
Speaker 3: So I saw him before before the game. He was
Speaker 3: doing his homework and he said, uh, he said, somebody
Speaker 3: just told me that it's to the day when I
Speaker 3: came in for Troy and we won twenty four to
Speaker 3: twenty one. I said, yeah, absolutely, babe, because I said
Speaker 3: it on the Okay, maybe I said.
Speaker 4: It on Thursday when you're here, Okay, it was. It
Speaker 4: was November twenty fourth, nineteen ninety one. It was thirty
Speaker 4: three years ago yesterday that Berlin led the Cowboys to
Speaker 4: a win on the road at Washington, twenty four to
Speaker 4: twenty one. And it's what it's pretty much the iconic,
Speaker 4: uh footage of Michael's touchdown right the past to Berlin.
Speaker 4: You see it on all the career highlights for Michael
Speaker 4: Irvin where he makes the catch and.
Speaker 3: Does a spinner round. Yeah, kind of a spinner round,
Speaker 3: and that put him up twenty four Washington scored late
Speaker 3: to make a twenty one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we found the CBS call of it, and it
Speaker 4: was Summer All and Madden doing the game, and it
Speaker 4: was typical Summer All. His call was Berline Irvin touchdown.
Speaker 3: And so Troy got hurt early in I think it
Speaker 3: was the first possession of this third quarter. But they
Speaker 3: finished the half they called a Hail Mary, and I
Speaker 3: remember Aikman talking about it afterwards. He goes, yeah, he goes,
Speaker 3: they call the Hail Mary, and he goes, every time
Speaker 3: they call the hill Mary, I get intercepted and he goes,
Speaker 3: and it messes up my quarterback rating. So this time
Speaker 3: they completed one. I think it was to Elvin Harper
Speaker 3: to end the half, and he was thinking, Aha, the
Speaker 3: worm's turning.
Speaker 4: Was that the game they started the second half of
Speaker 4: an on sidekick. Maybe it was a different game.
Speaker 3: It was, No, it was that. I don't know if
Speaker 3: if they started that, I think I think this, but
Speaker 3: they had one, yeah for sure, because that was the one.
Speaker 3: Jimmy got in the locker room afterwards and he and
Speaker 3: he basically said, you know, if you're gonna if if
Speaker 3: you're you're gonna get in a fight with a gorilla.
Speaker 3: You better carry a big stick. He was trying to
Speaker 3: do the Teddy Roosevelt you know deal that.
Speaker 4: He doesn't walk softly.
Speaker 3: Car he said, he grabbed sick and he goes, Yeah,
Speaker 3: if you're gonna hit this guy, you don't just tap him.
Speaker 3: You gotta slug him.
Speaker 4: I mean, but you look back at the Cowboys nineties
Speaker 4: teams and okay, they were hovering around five hundred, and
Speaker 4: they go in there and Apeman gets hurt. Berline comes
Speaker 4: in and they win that game. And they rattled off
Speaker 4: five straight wins and made the playoffs and beat Chicago
Speaker 4: in the playoffs and then lost to Detroit in the
Speaker 4: second round. So and then the next year, of course,
Speaker 4: the Cowboys win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Think about this.
Speaker 5: That's why they questioned should Bowline have come back Troy.
Speaker 4: In that Detroit game?
Speaker 3: And he was mad because they didn't start him and
Speaker 3: they didn't think he was healthy enough, and then they
Speaker 3: brought him in late in the second quarter and it
Speaker 3: was too late. Uh, think about this. Backup quarterbacks for
Speaker 3: the Cowboys. You heard of Clint Longley, Yeah, Washington nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty nine, the only win of the season. Steve Walsh,
Speaker 3: Yeah again, Berline against Doug Doug Williams who was coming
Speaker 3: back from injury, and he should have never.
Speaker 4: And it was a path you got, Doug, I got that.
Speaker 7: It was a tip pass.
Speaker 3: Was three thirteen six seven.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Have you ever mentioned that to him before?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, since then? Do you ever mention it that in
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty nine? Well, no, we've got too much respectful.
Speaker 5: Well, no, he's got his pial is a little bit.
Speaker 5: So I'm still trying to go up. I'm sorry here
Speaker 5: we are.
Speaker 4: Remember that one time I got you.
Speaker 3: Exactly you know what. And then so that was the
Speaker 3: only win of the season, and it was for some reason,
Speaker 3: it was a Sunday night game. So we're all on
Speaker 3: deadline right trying to of course they win that game.
Speaker 3: And then in uh the and then ninety one it happened.
Speaker 3: Uh and now this, I mean I remember talking to somebody.
Speaker 3: We were in Georgetown before a Cowboy Washington game, and
Speaker 3: some guy started talking. He was a big Redskins fan,
Speaker 3: and he was like, yeah, he goes that, Damn Clint
Speaker 3: Long ruined my Thanksgiving. He said, I was still sick
Speaker 3: to my stomach. I couldn't eat my turkey. But yeah,
Speaker 3: back Cowboys backup quarterbacks against against Washington and now this one,
Speaker 3: it's it's quite a legacy.
Speaker 4: Well, you're going back in time to that nineteen ninety
Speaker 4: one game.
Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, the ninety one game, let me
Speaker 3: add this had had the Cowboys not beaten Washington, they
Speaker 3: were going to go undefeated because the only other game
Speaker 3: they lost I think was at the end of the
Speaker 3: season when they didn't need to win and they wanted
Speaker 3: to keep everybody healthy, and I think they got beat
Speaker 3: like he was the second to the last or last
Speaker 3: game of this They only lost two games that year
Speaker 3: if I remember correctly, but they were undefeated going into
Speaker 3: that game.
Speaker 4: Well, maybe this will rekindle the rivalry. This this goes
Speaker 4: into a an era that you know, the Cowboys have
Speaker 4: now won six of the last seven against Washington. But
Speaker 4: now that they've got Jaden Daniels and with Dan Quinn
Speaker 4: over there, right, maybe because it's been a long spell
Speaker 4: now since the Dallas Washington rivalry was really much of
Speaker 4: a rivalry, really not the storied rivalry.
Speaker 3: It's been not the one that we wrote a book about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and maybe this will we'll set it off again.
Speaker 3: Well, the fact that they've got Dante Fowler and Armstrong
Speaker 3: and Beadish on the team. So I'm sure those guys
Speaker 3: were the first time they got a chance to tackle
Speaker 3: some of their teammates or former teammates. I should say,
Speaker 3: we have a stalker outside Nathan Naan Frisco, just dying
Speaker 3: to come in. Well, you know what, you know when
Speaker 3: we did the picks to click, His pick to click
Speaker 3: was time of possession a try at the end of
Speaker 3: that exactly at the end of the first half. The
Speaker 3: Cowboys know, at the end of the game, the Cowboys
Speaker 3: had the ball thirty five twelve to twenty four forty eight.
Speaker 3: How about that?
Speaker 5: You know that Natives, he's something else.
Speaker 4: Herry is stute, and.
Speaker 3: That's a good word.
Speaker 7: That's a good word.
Speaker 3: He's at the end of the half. I remember looking
Speaker 3: it up just because I remember him saying that Cowboys
Speaker 3: had the ball eighteen o seven and the Commander's eleven
Speaker 3: fifty three only eleven minutes fifty three seconds.
Speaker 7: Oh we gohadle game.
Speaker 3: This guy's somebody asked me about it.
Speaker 7: Really good. It's like really good.
Speaker 3: I was running with his hair on, fire.
Speaker 7: Man, that's all the time. That's all the time.
Speaker 3: He was running like a tush push without.
Speaker 5: The push if you if you just give him a sliver,
Speaker 5: just give me some air, he's gonna try to split it.
Speaker 4: Well, you're talking about Josh Butler. How about the guards. Yes,
Speaker 4: I mean you're playing without your perennial pro bowler Zach
Speaker 4: Martin and another pro bowler and Tyler Smith, and you
Speaker 4: got TJ. Bass and under grafted guy at right guard
Speaker 4: and at left guard you got Hoffman.
Speaker 3: And go further.
Speaker 4: First Bass was on the left.
Speaker 3: Side side, and then they brought in awesome Richards several times,
Speaker 3: which they should have just left him in there.
Speaker 4: We're trying to keep it positive.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, and you had a rookie at center, so
Speaker 3: you had four guys in there, and it's like, are
Speaker 3: you kidding me? And I think they only gave up.
Speaker 3: Do you get sacked once? How many sacks they have?
Speaker 4: And it was a give up, But it was a
Speaker 4: give up at the end of the game when you're
Speaker 4: killing the clock.
Speaker 3: Was that they didn't give them a sack on that,
Speaker 3: did they?
Speaker 4: I believe?
Speaker 3: So it was drawn pain. I think it was anyway
Speaker 3: they I thought young guys did a did a heck
Speaker 3: of a job.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean when when when you hear about what
Speaker 5: Nate says talk about time of possession. The simplest of
Speaker 5: it is games being won in the trenches, right, That's
Speaker 5: just what it all comes down to. Who's gonna have
Speaker 5: who's going to be able to sustain drives the most?
Speaker 5: And with the amount of points that we had, especially
Speaker 5: with the special teams play, that really gives you a
Speaker 5: way to breathe, you know, it gives you a chance
Speaker 5: to not go so deep into your playbook, right, as
Speaker 5: long as you're moving the ball the way we were
Speaker 5: moving the ball.
Speaker 3: You know, the other guy that played his butt off
Speaker 3: Ceede Lamb, and it wasn't his ten catches what he
Speaker 3: was trying to do after the catch, large.
Speaker 5: Change they were because they would double team almost every time,
Speaker 5: so they may I don't know how the adjustment they made,
Speaker 5: but instead of going into the teeth of it, they
Speaker 5: seem to just hook him up to where he can
Speaker 5: get a chance to make make a play or make
Speaker 5: the catch and make a play afterwards, which is exactly
Speaker 5: what happened.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: Cool, we'll continue that thought when we return. And I
Speaker 4: did confirm the sack was on the give up play
Speaker 4: at the end. Yes, they created the Duran Pain with
Speaker 4: a sack on the with the less than two minutes
Speaker 4: left in the game for Rush was just killing clock,
Speaker 4: all right, more mix shots in a moment.
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Speaker 4: All right, we continue final segment here of Mixed Shines
Speaker 4: on a victory Monday. After a big Cowboys win in Washington,
Speaker 4: Mickey is studying the play by play of the game
Speaker 4: or something else he wants to cite that happened in
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 3: They credited Clark and Vigil for that tax.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was special teams assisted tackles.
Speaker 3: It was kind of It was kind of scary though
Speaker 3: because it was It was because he didn't see it.
Speaker 3: He came on.
Speaker 5: Is that because he seemed like it just he hit
Speaker 5: a wall and he went down immediately immediately.
Speaker 3: Nine seconds to play. I'm surprised I didn't review that
Speaker 3: play by the way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was well, they thought they did. During the
Speaker 4: the ball I.
Speaker 7: Thought, oh yeah, they came out with it.
Speaker 4: It was such a long delay that I'm sure, the
Speaker 4: replay assist looked at it and they decided against it,
Speaker 4: I guess. But because it was the final second, so
Speaker 4: it was under Yeah, but you can challenge or anything,
Speaker 4: so them.
Speaker 3: To throw a hell Mary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so they must have. They must have decided
Speaker 4: it was inconclusive when the ball had come out and
Speaker 4: when he was down or something. I don't know, but
Speaker 4: all right, anything else that you would this is weird.
Speaker 3: So on the on the hail Mary interception by Mukuamu,
Speaker 3: they got in parentheses here.
Speaker 7: Oh I know.
Speaker 3: They gave him a pressure o'diggy zooa knocked the hell
Speaker 3: out of Daniels. They rushed, Yeah, they didn't like just
Speaker 3: send three guys. They were like, we're coming after you.
Speaker 7: By the way.
Speaker 4: Speaking of Odiga Zua, seventy defensive snaps yesterday and he
Speaker 4: was in on sixty four of them, sixty four snaps.
Speaker 3: And that's two games in a row.
Speaker 4: Fifty seven. He was fifty seven of the sixty four
Speaker 4: snaps Monday night and then sixty four of the seventy snaps.
Speaker 4: Goldston was on in on sixty one snaps on Monday
Speaker 4: night and fifty six snaps this game. When you look
Speaker 4: at players that this team can least afford to lose,
Speaker 4: as thin as they are at defensive tackle. Osa would be.
Speaker 3: One that, Wow, he always has, he always did.
Speaker 4: Mozzi had thirty four snaps, Limbelle Joseph had four snaps,
Speaker 4: and Carlos Watkins had six.
Speaker 3: They've basically given up on those guys.
Speaker 4: Marshaw Neeland had nineteen snaps. So it was good to
Speaker 4: getting him back, Yes, but especially Osa. I mean what
Speaker 4: he means to where this team is right now, Well,
Speaker 4: you cannot lose him.
Speaker 7: He was just in the way, all right.
Speaker 5: Just you love that you went to defensive tackle on
Speaker 5: those going to be in the way, all.
Speaker 4: Right, and they don't have anybody to put in there,
Speaker 4: no that can make anywhere near the impact.
Speaker 3: And they finally shedded Jordan Phillips who was doing nothing. See,
Speaker 3: they took chances on all these marginal veteran guys and
Speaker 3: really got nothing on it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was kind of excited when they signed those
Speaker 5: two guys this offseason.
Speaker 4: Their names, I'm like, oh, okay, here we go and
Speaker 4: well and the other part of that it was they did.
Speaker 4: It wasn't in the off season. It was during training
Speaker 4: camp before they acquired them, and it was like that
Speaker 4: was the strategy going in, We're not paying high dollar
Speaker 4: during unrestricted and we're not. And the other part of
Speaker 4: it is the compensatory picks that they get for not
Speaker 4: signing guys an unrestricted free agency for next year's draft.
Speaker 4: That's why they waited until that was up before signing
Speaker 4: Zeke Okay. And then Kendricks was not an unrestricted free agent.
Speaker 4: He was a loan other free veteran free agent that
Speaker 4: they signed, So they waited until all that passed, and
Speaker 4: they waited basically until training camp to acquire those guys.
Speaker 4: And I think McCarthy talked about it that he wants
Speaker 4: to have his guys in here throughout the whole off
Speaker 4: season program. But that's where this team was. That's where
Speaker 4: this team was this off season where they decided to
Speaker 4: go that route instead and give a shot to the
Speaker 4: young guys. And there weren't young guys.
Speaker 3: So two to nine Giants. Next, we'll talk about.
Speaker 4: A Giants team that Malink Neighbors was saying some things
Speaker 4: after the game yesterday and then they did not show
Speaker 4: up for their game against Tampa Bay yesterday basically, and
Speaker 4: it was Tommy Devido at quarterback but it was like
Speaker 4: the front office and a message last week that when
Speaker 4: they released Daniel Jones, and the team sent a message
Speaker 4: back yesterday. So it's going to be very interesting to
Speaker 4: see what kind of team shows up on Thursday.
Speaker 3: And did I hear they? What was the score?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 3: Thirty something?
Speaker 4: Thirty to seven was the final score?
Speaker 3: The touchdown right at the end?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was Tampa Bay was up thirty so they were.
Speaker 3: Getting shut out. Yeah, and you know, Tommy the.
Speaker 5: Second fans look at that as an insult, right you,
Speaker 5: I would rather you not score.
Speaker 4: Well, there was some question on DeVito too, he entered
Speaker 4: his shoulder, but apparently Brian Able today said that he
Speaker 4: believes that the Vito will be able to go on Thursday,
Speaker 4: although he hadn't talked to the training sor where's Taylor
Speaker 4: when you need him?
Speaker 3: They got Drew Locke what more than they need?
Speaker 4: And they signed Tim Boyle also they signed last week
Speaker 4: to the practice squad when they and then they let
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones go. And by the way, Waivers is up
Speaker 4: on him at three o'clock today, so he's going to
Speaker 4: pick him up, won't They won't pick him up, and
Speaker 4: they won't pick him up off waivers sign in San Francisco.
Speaker 4: I predict San Francisco is that team that will.
Speaker 3: Because they wants to go a playoff team. Guys, just
Speaker 3: let you on them. They start did Allen San Francis.
Speaker 4: They started Brandon Allen because Brock parties. Let's go to
Speaker 4: Oh I got it, I got it, No one got it.
Speaker 3: But it's okay.
Speaker 4: San Francisco, by the way, just one game ahead of
Speaker 4: the Cowboys. Record wise, they're five and six and they
Speaker 4: play at Buffalo this week. So if Dallas beats the
Speaker 4: Giants and San Francisco lives the same record, they will
Speaker 4: have the same record five and seven.
Speaker 7: Seven teams. You just want to do badly.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, let me play this game with you.
Speaker 3: How about there's a report out there they're thinking about
Speaker 3: putting McCaffrey on IR.
Speaker 7: That's all that.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys are only in the lost column, two games
Speaker 3: behind Washington.
Speaker 4: Have you looked at the schedule, Mickey, Yes, I have,
Speaker 4: could be could be five and seven on Thursday, I have.
Speaker 4: Then Cincinnati is here for a Monday night six and seven,
Speaker 4: then at Carolina seven and seven. Then Baker comes here
Speaker 4: for Christmas. The twenty second of December pull out that one.
Speaker 4: You're eight and seven and you've got Philadelphia to Washington
Speaker 4: last two games.
Speaker 3: Well, and Washington's got to play the Cowboys and Philadelphia
Speaker 3: the second time. Still, and somebody maybe I heard I
Speaker 3: turned on NFL radio when I was coming in. Somebody
Speaker 3: pointed out that right now, Washington's got the last uh
Speaker 3: wild cards if it ended today, and they pointed out
Speaker 3: the Cowboys were only two games behind them in Washington
Speaker 3: win or the lost.
Speaker 4: Comment, Yeah, they've got they still got a bi week left. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and so they are what seven and five now?
Speaker 3: Yes, the Cowboys are four and seven.
Speaker 4: Yes, and h they played Tennessee this week, but the
Speaker 4: Titans just beat the They went into Houston and beat
Speaker 4: the Texas.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then they are at the Saints and the Saints
Speaker 4: are resurgent now and then they got the Philly Atlanta
Speaker 4: and the Cowboys. They may not win another get no,
Speaker 4: I'm kidding. All right, that does it for mixed shots
Speaker 4: on a Monday. And natean Frisco just camp wait.
Speaker 3: Get it better, keeps hovering, pulled off on flexing that
Speaker 3: last game of the season.
Speaker 4: There you go, all right. Message to the NFL from
Speaker 4: Mickey Spagnola. All right, have a great rest of your
Speaker 4: victory Monday, and we will shout at you again tomorrow
Speaker 4: at noon.
Speaker 7: Go Cowboys.
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