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Speaker 1: Lute. If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Software Radio Special operations, military news and

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Speaker 1: straight talk with the guys and the community. Hey, what's

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Speaker 1: going on. Welcome to another special edition because they're always

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Speaker 1: so special of Software Radio. I have a very cool

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Speaker 1: author today, a Red Cell employee. If I can stay

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Speaker 1: with the d O D. It's Brad Thorne, Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: and I just want to say his book right now

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Speaker 1: coming out it's called Rising Tiger, So don't forget that

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of the show. Now, Brad, welcome aboard.

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Speaker 1: It's great to be here. Rad. You know, it's funny

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Speaker 1: we were talking before we came on air about your

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Speaker 1: dad haven't been a Green Beret. And my children's godfather

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Speaker 1: is a Fifth Special Forces Group guy and he always

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Speaker 1: he's a really really funny guy. Because I asked him

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Speaker 1: he's like six too, and he said his nickname was

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Speaker 1: Jethrow and he'd be bumping his head like if he

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Speaker 1: tried to make an entry in an air in an airplane.

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Speaker 1: And so you're Rad. He always calls me b Rad.

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Speaker 1: That's his joke. Every time, you know, I get the guy.

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Speaker 1: He's working for the State Department. Now be Rat, so

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Speaker 1: Rad and b Rad on the broadcast today. That's what's up.

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Speaker 1: I think the earth just shifted a little bit in

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Speaker 1: our favor because we just aligned ourselves. Okay, so there's

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Speaker 1: a big thank you. I want to say thanks to

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Speaker 1: Brandon Webb, of course with soft rep for saying, hey, Rad,

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Speaker 1: So we got you, Thorpe, and it's a really exciting

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Speaker 1: time for you. Now you have a slew of books,

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Speaker 1: all right, You've got a resume. You know, you've got

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Speaker 1: the Last Patriot, You've got the Rising Tiger series with Harvest.

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Speaker 1: That's how I pronounced it in my head, right, because

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Speaker 1: a little different, right when we do audio books and

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Speaker 1: we read the words. You're like, did I say that? Right?

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Speaker 1: But in your head your imagination goes crazy. And so

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Speaker 1: you know, Harvest, is that how you say his last name?

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Speaker 1: I say Harvath. The name actually belongs to a friend

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Speaker 1: of ours who processes SPIO warrants for the d O J.

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Speaker 1: Was really big in the war on Terror, going after

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Speaker 1: and I like that name. I was looking for a

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Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no, it's Scott Harvath. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: but good job. Scott was one T s O s

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Speaker 1: so without them there wouldn't be us. So Rising Tiger, right,

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Speaker 1: we'd love to see like a thing with you and

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Speaker 1: Mitch Rap, and maybe you bring in Jack Carr's character.

425
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Speaker 1: It'd be so cool for you guys to team up

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Speaker 1: all together and do something because they love these characters individually,

427
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 1: and they'd love to see them all together like big thing,

428
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Speaker 1: I get the most. Yeah, so not even passing in

429
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Speaker 1: a book. They want like their favorite fictional heroes to

430
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Speaker 1: team up in a book together, like the Avengers, like

431
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Speaker 1: all come together for one correct, right, Like right now

432
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Speaker 1: with you know Cold Fear and Steel Fear, you have

433
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Speaker 1: the Finn. You know, he's the seal that's going through

434
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Speaker 1: those books, that does that world, and you know, then

435
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Speaker 1: you have Harvest, and then you'd have their other characters

436
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Speaker 1: that would just be like, you know, guys, are we

437
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: ready to retire? Is this about retirement right now? Almost?

438
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Speaker 1: Like you know, what are you doing for pts? Exactly? Yeah,

439
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a former action guy. It's like, dude,

440
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 1: you you can't. You know how how many times can

441
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: you keep taking the supplements and the injectables to just

442
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: kind of keep your edge? So exactly. So that's that's

443
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Speaker 1: a fun book. So that's a great one to set

444
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Speaker 1: in Iceland. Set in Iceland, which I my last book,

445
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 1: I went above the Arctic Circle in Norway, so I

446
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Speaker 1: really like that whole kind of Scandinavian, very cold thing.

447
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 1: So that's why Cold Fear has been an awesome book,

448
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: So anybody who is thinking about reading, and that's the

449
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Speaker 1: following to Steel Fear. So if you haven't read Steel Fear,

450
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Speaker 1: that's great when you can start with Cold Fear. But

451
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: they're both just fabulous thrillers and they're like your books,

452
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 1: you know, where you can pick one up and you're

453
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Speaker 1: just now brought into that scenario and that that mindset

454
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Speaker 1: of what's going on. And if you read the other books,

455
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Speaker 1: you might pick up on you know, a you know

456
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: here harvest has now left the ship and now he

457
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Speaker 1: has arrived in this country. You might pick up on

458
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: those little subtle things. But yeah, I agree. I think

459
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Speaker 1: that reading a book where you can just pull it,

460
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: read it and it just brought you in and then

461
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 1: the next one you're excited for it and it's really

462
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Speaker 1: cool to read. And I just want to put that

463
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Speaker 1: out there. So reading is cool. When I was in

464
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Speaker 1: elementary school, we had this thing from Pizza Hut and

465
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Speaker 1: they're like, if you read so much, you get free

466
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Speaker 1: personal pan pizzas. Man, I would read so many books

467
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Speaker 1: to get pizzas. So we should just keep reading. And

468
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Speaker 1: if you're a young listener out there, I'm listening to

469
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Speaker 1: the soft Reap podcast. You know, pick up a book.

470
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Speaker 1: Check out Brad Thor's book, check out brand New Webb's book,

471
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Speaker 1: Go pick up you know a can a Can Haynes book,

472
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Speaker 1: or go pick up you know, uh Jack Card book.

473
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Speaker 1: You know all these names. I'm I'm swinging with the

474
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Speaker 1: big leaguers up in here. You hear these names that

475
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Speaker 1: are going on, you know, So it's like, it's so

476
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Speaker 1: cool that you guys will take the time to to

477
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Speaker 1: talk to our listener and and and give some insight

478
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Speaker 1: into what you were thinking when you wrote these books. Hey,

479
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Speaker 1: this is rad with Software Radio, and I just want

480
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Speaker 1: to talk to you about Brandon Webb and John David Man. Right, Okay,

481
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: these two guys have been hammering out books and they

482
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Speaker 1: just brought you a new one with Cold Fear. That's right.

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Speaker 1: New York Times bestselling authors Brandon Webb and John David

484
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Speaker 1: Mann have just put out Cold Fear. It is the

485
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Speaker 1: Adventures of Finn the Navy Seal. You've got to check

486
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Speaker 1: it out. Read that book. I think it's gonna come

487
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Speaker 1: out on audible. So Brandon Webb, John David Mann props.

488
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Speaker 1: Now I read some snippets that your red cell okay,

489
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Speaker 1: And that's where you go in and you come up

490
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Speaker 1: with scenarios of kind of doomsday scenarios of what could

491
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Speaker 1: possibly happen in certain places. And I don't want to

492
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Speaker 1: give anybody ideas, right, I don't want your scenarios to

493
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Speaker 1: give anybody ideas per se. But what's that like? You know,

494
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Speaker 1: what do you when you go when you get pull

495
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Speaker 1: your like? Yeah. It was so after nine eleven when

496
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Speaker 1: the Department Online Security was stood up, before the whole

497
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Speaker 1: nine eleven commission was put together, and they realized that

498
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Speaker 1: what had happened on that terrible day was a failure

499
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Speaker 1: of a man nation on our part. Before that whole

500
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Speaker 1: committee had been stood up, they created this thing called

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Speaker 1: the Analytic Red Cell Unit at DHS where they said,

502
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Speaker 1: we want to bring in creative thinkers from outside the beltway, right,

503
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 1: so not you know, we didn't want Defence Department people,

504
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Speaker 1: we didn't want Intelligence community people. We wanted some fresh

505
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Speaker 1: ideas in there. So they reached out to people like me,

506
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: Michael Bay, the Transformers and Benghazi Director and they brought us, yeah,

507
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Speaker 1: and they brought us to d C and they put

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Speaker 1: us on these different teams and that was all the

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Speaker 1: alphabets in the soup, right, So you did have C

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Speaker 1: I A, D I A, all these different people that

511
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Speaker 1: were working with these teams, but you had kind of

512
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Speaker 1: two different things that happened. One is they would give

513
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Speaker 1: you like puzzle pieces, like disparate pieces of intelligence, and say,

514
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Speaker 1: how would you link these together? Okay, Like we've got

515
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Speaker 1: a set of nikes that were brought in Pittsburgh with

516
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Speaker 1: a credit card that was used for a cell phone

517
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Speaker 1: charger in Kuala Lumpur. And then there was like one

518
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Speaker 1: other thing and so you like you get created with

519
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Speaker 1: how you put stuff together. We're always wondering, you know,

520
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Speaker 1: was this real intelligence that they were trying to kind

521
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Speaker 1: of figure out how to put together? And then the

522
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Speaker 1: other thing was identifying potential targets and coming up with

523
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Speaker 1: ideas on how those targets might be acted upon by

524
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Speaker 1: bad actors. So the only thing we're ever allowed to

525
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Speaker 1: talk about is there was one scenario that was publicized

526
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Speaker 1: by the Red Cell Unit, which is terrorists taking advantage

527
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Speaker 1: of an approaching hurricane. So that meant attacking a shelter

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Speaker 1: uh potentially where people had gone to be safe from

529
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Speaker 1: the hurricane as well as they evacuate out of the

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Speaker 1: path of hurricanes, ambulances, fire trucks. You know, there's a

531
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Speaker 1: lot of stuff they put in marshaling yards kind of

532
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Speaker 1: away from the coast so that they can bring them

533
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Speaker 1: back in afterwards and they don't have to worry about

534
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Speaker 1: them being armed. And so there was a whole sabotage

535
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Speaker 1: thing there. So they publicized that one of the scenarios

536
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Speaker 1: that I worked on that I came up with in there. Uh.

537
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Speaker 1: I said, you know, here's here's a particular scenario I

538
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Speaker 1: think is very plausible. I think we ought to be

539
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Speaker 1: talking more about this, and we ought to be kind

540
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Speaker 1: of taking steps to guard against it. That attack did

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Speaker 1: happen somewhere in the world, and I contacted the Red

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Speaker 1: Cell and I said, Okay, it's all over the news.

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Speaker 1: Can I say that I came up with that scenario

544
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Speaker 1: in the Red Cell? Can I Can I talk about

545
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: it on TV? Because I was on Fox all the

546
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: time and all this stuff, And they said absolutely not.

547
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: So I tell people that the Red Cell program is

548
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: like the Las Vegas of government programs. What happens in

549
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: the Red Cell stays in the Red Cell. I can't

550
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: use it for my books. I can't talk about it

551
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: in interviews. But you know, as the son of a

552
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: United States Marine, I'm honored to have been asked to

553
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: serve my country not by picking up a rifle, but

554
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: by using the gray matter between my ears. So that's

555
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: kind of a neat thing for me to have to

556
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: have brought a certain ability to in a very small way.

557
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't blow it out of proportion.

558
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: It's not anything huge or you know, I've got friends

559
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: in everywhere from you know, they are rangers all the

560
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: way through seals and you know, I know a lot

561
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: of people that have lost and sacrificed greatly, families that

562
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: have lost. I mean, So for me to be asked

563
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: by my country to come and think and be creative,

564
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, the answer was yes, I'll buy my

565
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: own plane ticket. Even you guys don't even have to

566
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: pop for this, save the money for somebody else. So

567
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: it's a it's a neat thing to have been able

568
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Speaker 1: to do in just fun to work. And then the

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Speaker 1: one other story, I was with a guy who was

570
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Speaker 1: I think the guy was an agency guy and we're

571
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: on a coffee break and this was the coolest thing

572
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: rap because this guy was like mcgiver. And it was

573
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: like bumping into a Bob Bear style guy in the

574
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Speaker 1: in the breakroom, and I was talking to him and

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Speaker 1: we were talking about improvisation and improvising and and I said, well,

576
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: like in the field, like what kind of stuff. He goes, Well,

577
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Speaker 1: let's dig through this garbage candle. Let's see what we

578
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: can find in this garbage can. And this guy found

579
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Speaker 1: like a rubber glove, he found like a half still

580
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: good gas lighter. And he showed me how to build

581
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Speaker 1: an I E ED right there in the break room

582
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Speaker 1: and he's like, this is how I hook it up

583
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Speaker 1: to my cell phone. And I used the cellphone for

584
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Speaker 1: a trigger. And I was like, and I can't write

585
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Speaker 1: about any of this, you know, I can't put this.

586
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: And he's like, this, you can. We're not in a

587
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: session right now. If you ever want to talk about

588
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: a guy building an I E D out of garbage,

589
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: he goes, but this is the way we think, and

590
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: we're taught to think and all that kind of stuff.

591
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Speaker 1: So as much as it was an honor for me

592
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Speaker 1: to give, I actually got a lot as an author

593
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Speaker 1: and as an American, And it made me proud that

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Speaker 1: my government was doing something that I wouldn't normally think

595
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Speaker 1: they'd be smart enough to do, so it was really

596
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: cool to see them trying to stay three or four

597
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Speaker 1: steps ahead of the bad guys. I, folks, is a

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Speaker 1: Shawn Spoons, Senator in chief of Software dot Com, just

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Speaker 1: here to say thank you for listening to the Software

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Speaker 1: Radio podcast. We sure appreciate you giving us your time.

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Speaker 1: you to us today, and from all of us here

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Speaker 1: at Softwrep, thank you for listening. I was not even

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Speaker 1: thinking that they would bring in a brainstorming session with

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Speaker 1: you know, yourself and others like you know, critical thinkers

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Speaker 1: with storyt that's kind of what it is. It's like,

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Speaker 1: how would I how would you break this formula? You're

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Speaker 1: basically six sigma ing, which is just this other way

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Speaker 1: to you're just playing with formulas of how you would

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Speaker 1: you know? What ifs? All these what ifs. It's just

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Speaker 1: really amazing and I'm glad that that's happening because that

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Speaker 1: just shows the outside the box thinking that we're willing

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Speaker 1: to go to to try to thwart anything from happening.

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Speaker 1: You know. So that's that's crazy and it's cool service

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Speaker 1: to have on your resume. Yeah, it's neat, and I've

618
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Speaker 1: always been I've always one of the biggest questions I've

619
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Speaker 1: heard kicked around and I'm not the guy that came

620
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Speaker 1: up with this, but I love it, which is you

621
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Speaker 1: know that we hear, particularly American citizens talk about the

622
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Speaker 1: Geneva and Hague conventions without really knowing what the Geneva

623
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Speaker 1: Hage conventions, why they exist, what's in them? You know?

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Speaker 1: This is this is supposed to help protect civilians and

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Speaker 1: non combatants in and around the battle. Yeah, exactly, people

626
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Speaker 1: that are there to beet get more. So, if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be on the battlefield, you have to wear your

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Speaker 1: performer at the very least to wear an armed band

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Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff. But as we've seen

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Speaker 1: with terrorists in particular, is a long terrorism is that

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Speaker 1: they don't use any rule book. They they're not signers

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Speaker 1: to the Geneva Hate Conventions. So well, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: say we should tear up the rule book when we

634
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Speaker 1: go after them. I like the fact that the United

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Speaker 1: States government was saying Okay, how do we combat an

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Speaker 1: enemy that refuses to play by any rules? What can

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00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: we do to get the advantage? How do we start

638
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: thinking more like them? How do we think ahead of

639
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: them and get to a spot before they even think

640
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: about getting there. So that's one of the things that

641
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: I loved about that Red Self program so much and

642
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: still do love about it. It's it's awesome. Yeah. And

643
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: and for the listener out there, Geneva Conventions usually on

644
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: the back of people's military I D cards, you know,

645
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: if they haven't, it says on the back of it

646
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: that they're part of the Geneva Convention. And that's to

647
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: treat prisoners of war with some type of something respectfully

648
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: versus torture and mutilation and dragging you through the TV

649
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: in the streets of you know, Mogadishu, things like that.

650
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: You know, when Operations Server went down, those guys don't

651
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: care about the Geneva Conventions. They don't even know what

652
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: that is. They've never even privy to it, let alone.

653
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: You know, you have someone like a Putin who knows

654
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: very well what Geneva Conventions are. You have a person

655
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: very much, you know, understanding what the ramifications of going

656
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: after hospitals and schools, And it's not just accidental things.

657
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 1: When you're hitting four hundred hospitals, when you're hitting you know,

658
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 1: a thousand different you know, health care facilities. It's on purpose.

659
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: And the Geneva Convention is specific saying those are war

660
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: crimes and so and so. It's crazy. After you know,

661
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: you get in the military or dabble with it, you

662
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: realize that an enemy combatant, how do you identify them? Well,

663
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 1: if they were in a military rank or uniform, then

664
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: they fall into Geneva Convention. But if they strip it

665
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: off and just go back into the civilian gear, that's

666
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: where we can't figure out who's who on the battlefield.

667
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: That's what I think. That's my understanding, you know, and

668
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: having guys going over to Iraq and then just dismantling

669
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: the entire like bath party, you know, because we said

670
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: you're all fired, and now all of a sudden you

671
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: have all these soldiers getting pink slips. They're like, well,

672
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: we were the smartest minds in the country at the time,

673
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: but you've just been fired. Called a terror this organization,

674
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: they strip off their entire uniforms and all we found

675
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: were piles of uniforms in Iraq. Literally, soldiers going through

676
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: streets would be like, we just found uniforms, no akse,

677
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: no nothing, just uniforms and a pink slip that we

678
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: were fired. So those guys took their regular everyday clothes

679
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: and they're a case and they went home with them.

680
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: And we compounded that. We made that even worse when

681
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: they failed to renegotiate the SOFA the status of forces

682
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: agreement and they pulled all of the intel guys out.

683
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: And these guys go, wait a second. We promised all

684
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: of our assets that we were going to take care

685
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: of them and take care of their families. I've got

686
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: this guy, Mohammed, he has helped save so many American lives.

687
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: If I can tie a red kerchief around his neck

688
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: and get him in line in front of the embassy

689
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: this afternoon with his family, can you get him a visa?

690
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: And we didn't we just I mean, it is so

691
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: bad how we left Iraq and just let all of

692
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: these amazing intelligence networks crumble. We really it's textbook what

693
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: not to do. What we've done. It's very sad. It

694
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: was double edged sword. You see, if we left Iraq,

695
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: we saved our soldiers from persecution if we stayed in

696
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: Iraq and fought. We were open to their military tribunals

697
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: for our soldiers who were doing the job that they

698
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: were ordered to do, which is a brutal job. And

699
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: anybody outside of that would think agreed. I don't even

700
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: know how hard they tried to negotiate the sofa though.

701
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: That's my problem I have. I have a hard time

702
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: believing we couldn't have gotten the sofa we wanted from

703
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: the Iraq Once they changed that innerim Prime Minister over

704
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: and put him in and he was more sympathetic to

705
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Iran and his It just changed and

706
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Americans were no longer looked at like, hey,

707
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: let's keep him around. And it left Obama with a

708
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: really big rub excube to try to figure out. And

709
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: I remember watching Fox News back then, which was a

710
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: different program. It was a little different way back then,

711
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: and Ohna. You know, when they're pulling out, and actually

712
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: I was watching it was and I was watching them

713
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: pull out when they were embedded with the troops. They're like, Okay,

714
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: these are the last troops rolling out of Iraq, and

715
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: now we have you know, of course personnel. They're not,

716
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, wartime. Yeah, that's how we got SULA money.

717
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: You know, that wasn't so that was that was part

718
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: of the two. So the Sofa agreement that was actually

719
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's her view. That was in his portfolio was

720
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: to negotiate the Sofa and to renegotiate the Sofa prior

721
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: to him becoming because he was in during the Obama administration,

722
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: he was vice president, right, and so that was in

723
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: his wheelhouse. But this last pull out with Afghanistan, that

724
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: that was thrown at him as well. He didn't have

725
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: access to that situation. That was just here you go, bro,

726
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: peace out. And now he's just like no one expected.

727
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: I don't even think the s F guys on the

728
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: ground expected it to change, but so fast and dramatically

729
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: like it did. But in your book, it's just so

730
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: close to everything that's going on, and I'm just bringing

731
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: it back, Yeah, because I opened the book with that

732
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: whole thing in the Himalayas, and then I flashed forward

733
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: to Scott hard At in the middle of an operation

734
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: where he's going in with his team in the Cobble

735
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: to extract an Afghan intelligence officer who agreed to stay

736
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: behind with his family after the fall of Afghanistan and

737
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: keep doing stuff and feeding intel to the US, and

738
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: then it got too hot and he needed to be

739
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: pulled out. So what's the date of this book. I

740
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: really wanted to do that. I thought that gate, that

741
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: glory gates that have been carved on the other side

742
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: of the airport, I thought that was a really cool

743
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: idea that you know, we had just basically opened up

744
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: another way to get in around the back. And so yeah,

745
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: again I try to attack as close to reality as possible,

746
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: but with stuff that's gonna remain ever green, right, so

747
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: that timing of sending hard At in there could be

748
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: two years from now. I never wrote about ben Laden

749
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: because I knew eventually we were going to capture or

750
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: kill him, and that would just make a book very dated.

751
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: So I've been at this for two decades. But we

752
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 1: can go back and pick up my very first book,

753
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: The Lions Are Concerned, and it's still will we read

754
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: as fresh and as action packed days it did twenty

755
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: years ago, because the tactics haven't changed that much. You know,

756
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: people are still used blocks and Bretta's and six hours,

757
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: and you know some of the some of the core

758
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: rifles that my buddy Mark the roommates, maybe maybe a

759
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: little bit different tactical, high speed. Yeah, you're right there,

760
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: dillow dust. Is that what you're talking about right now?

761
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 1: Are we talking about? God bless our snipers? Kids got

762
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: addicted to Dillo dust. My my son would not eat

763
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: pizza without dillo Thank you, Mark LaRue. Yeah, for the

764
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: longest time I had that bottle opener bro right, Yes, yes,

765
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: for the longest time, so I do, especially especially Yeah,

766
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: that's correct. Now, you got understand. The reason why I'm

767
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: like catching on is I own a I do a

768
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: large war game thing here in Utah. So I run

769
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: war games all the time, you know, anywhere from forty

770
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: people at a time, and so everybody rocks you know

771
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: LaRue style rail systems or you know Noveski or any

772
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: of these types of things that can adapt to the

773
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: air soft guns. It's like, you know, they used surefire

774
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: or they got O lights all the night, the top

775
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: of the line stuff on their guns. I got a

776
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: guy that has a six air soft gun. It's really good.

777
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: That's a high price for one. Listen, He's got seven

778
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: thousand dollars Zoos thermal system on top of it. So

779
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: it's not a yeah, so these guys have taken it.

780
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: It's everything except for the bullet that comes out. You're screaming, right,

781
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: So it's the thought process, it's the chess playing, it's

782
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: the my targets have heartbeats hunting me back. But he

783
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: has a seven thousand dollars zoos thermal systems, so he's

784
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: literally seeing you two miles outcoming in tired and killing

785
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: you in air soft. So LaRue tactical props on your stuff,

786
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: bro keep it up, you know, Armadillo, Dusty. That's it's I.

787
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: You know, I really love mark stuff. And you know

788
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: I try to any of the weapons. If it's not

789
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: bolted to an airframe, I've I've fired it. You know.

790
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: That's that's a I wanted my first book. I made

791
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: some mistakes because my knowledge of firearms was not where

792
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 1: I wanted it to be. And I had so many

793
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: wonderful people. I was living in Utah at the time,

794
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: and I had so many wonderful people come out of

795
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: the woodwork and say, let's push you further out on

796
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: the curve. So you really know, let's let's come spend

797
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: a weekend with us. We're gonna shoot all these guns.

798
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: We're gonna break them down where you show you how

799
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: to clean them. You canna understand the parts. We're gonna

800
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: talk about win digon elevation. We're gonna go through all

801
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: this stuff so that you really get it. And that

802
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: from other gun owners sparked in me a love in

803
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: a respect of firearms, which I've had from my dad

804
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: the Marine. We do festa hunting as kids, but we

805
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: weren't using you know, we're using shotguns. We weren't using rifles.

806
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: There weren't pistols that we were being exposed to. So

807
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: my time living eight years in Utah and the wonderful

808
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 1: police officers and military people I knew out there unbelievable

809
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: the education I got from them, and it's created a

810
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: lifelong passion. I mean, I've got more guns than I

811
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: know what to do with, and it's I love them.

812
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: I love each and every one of them. They're all special, right,

813
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: and they are and they are and you can't go

814
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: wrong putting a night teen eleven in a book, because

815
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: nineteen eleven was still being used. That pistol is still

816
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: modernly so much in every single place. Rad I took

817
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: my dad the Marine. My dad's eighty three. Now, I

818
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: took my dad shooting like ten years ago, and I

819
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: gave him a block and he's like okay, and you know,

820
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: and he used and he didn't like it and he

821
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: was he was okay, but he wasn't great. And then

822
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: I got out the nineteen eleven and man, it's just

823
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: all that muscle memory came back to him and he

824
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: was just you know, I mean, it wasn't like he

825
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: was super super tight, but he did a great freaking

826
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: job and it was just putting that weapon that he

827
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: didn't even need to consciously think. His body knew how

828
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: to fire that nineteen eleven. And I love. I've got

829
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 1: a custom less bear in nineteen eleven that I absolutely love.

830
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: And then there's a company called Accuracy X and they

831
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: built a custom nineteen eleven for me. And then it's

832
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: it's gray and my character's call sign as Norseman uh North.

833
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: And he got it from all of this, all of

834
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: the scandinavy and flight attendants he dated. So that's how

835
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: he got that call sign. It's engraved on the slide.

836
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: And so I'm a big I don't conceal carry with

837
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: the nineteen eleven that much because particularly in the summer,

838
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: it's so hot down here in Tennessee, and it's so

839
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: hard to conteal a weapon. And that's big, that's a

840
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: that's a lot of iron the lug around. But I

841
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: do love me the nineteen eleven. So it's not just

842
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: a nice solid weapon, Yeah, exactly, it is big, you know.

843
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: And I went to this Green Beret training seminar back

844
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: in Virginia and my instructor for software, it was the

845
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: whole thing, and he was like, how many of you

846
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: in here shooting nineteen eleven? How many of you are

847
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: big boys? Raise your hand? And all these guys raise

848
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: their hands. He's like, okay, okay, okay, how many of

849
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: you in here? Have you big boys shoot a nine millimeter?

850
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: How many of you? Huh? And he raised his hand.

851
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: He's like, I'll tell you why. He's like, because if

852
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: you've never been in a gun fight, that's why. And

853
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: he's straight upset it, just like that you with a

854
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: nineteen eleven have never been in a real firefight because

855
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: you get two to three shots per person. He's like,

856
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: you're not just one shot, one kill. You're like pop pop, right,

857
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: He's like he got seven rounds in a night and

858
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: an M nine you have a larger magazine capacity, and

859
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: he's just like, you got more rounds for the job.

860
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: So he was always like, you know, try to go smaller,

861
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,479
Speaker 1: you get a little more AMMO. And you know out here,

862
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: a very popular is a pistol twenty two calibers, very

863
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: popular to carry for conceal here. Yeah, I'll tell you,

864
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: I like for my wife because she has arthritis. So

865
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: I didn't want my wife to have to cycle the

866
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: you know, the weapon, you know, to brack to pull

867
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: back the slide and everything on at a clock. But

868
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: I'll tell you my preferred thing that I love to

869
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: carry is I've got a glock nineteen, so nine millimeter,

870
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: but I used the seventeen magazines just to get a

871
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: couple of extra rounds because you never know the situation.

872
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: So you're yeah, so it sticks out of the butt

873
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: of the weapon a little bit. It's under shirt, but

874
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: you yeah, yeah, I don't have the biggest hands in

875
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: the world. I'm pretty on the glock nineteen. But it

876
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 1: does give you, it does give you a little bit more. Yeah,

877
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: like banana hands. You look like drops there like ham

878
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: stuttered with baseball bats look at us six ft five.

879
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm six five. I can't help myself. Yes, yes, yes, yes,

880
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: And that's why when you say it extends a little bit.

881
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is that the nineteen and the

882
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: seventeen have the same lower, just a different upper, and

883
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: then it has the same ability to carry the seventeens

884
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: mag inside of the of the magwell, so it sticks

885
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: out a little bit, but you get those extra rounds absolutely,

886
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: so that's nice. And it's it's not that much that

887
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: it that it creates a different kind of printing under

888
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: my clothes or anything like that. But then I've got,

889
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: you know, and I've got two in the belt as well,

890
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: so I've got you know, two more Glock seventeen mags

891
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: with me in addition to the one, so I've got

892
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: the one in the weapon. So it's it's just a

893
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: it's a nice thing because as much training as I've done,

894
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: and particularly with cops, that's very interesting. It's and you're

895
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: right about gunfights. I thank god, I've never been in

896
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: a gunfight. I don't ever want to be a gunfight.

897
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: But when I've been invited to different police departments or

898
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: to do these seminars where guys come in and they

899
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: talk about active shooters scenarios and what's happened there, and

900
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: if it's only you, how many rounds do you want

901
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: to have your adrenaline's going. And I did some training

902
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: with some guys here in Tennessee, and there I love

903
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: their stuff because they want to shock you. They want

904
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: your heart beat up so high. They want to mimic

905
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: get as close as they can to that, the adrenaline

906
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: dump that you go through, the whole auditory exclusion thing.

907
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: They want to reproduce as much of the stress of

908
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: a gunfight, because what is it. It's it's trained. It's

909
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: trained like you fight and fight like your train, right,

910
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: so it's got when your dragon sandbags up and down

911
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: stairs and you're on the clock and you're not even

912
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: shooting yet, you don't get to shoot to the end.

913
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: They have to go through all this physical stuff and

914
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: you're racing against the clock. You want to beat the

915
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: other people in your class. And you get back to

916
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: your weapon and they've disassembled it and you're like fuck,

917
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: and so now you gotta put the weapon back together.

918
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: And then now you gotta go and get on target,

919
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: and you've gotta you know, you've got X amount of

920
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: rounds in there. And so anyway, I have so much

921
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: respect for people who just train and train and train,

922
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: and then particularly our police officers who have to respond

923
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: to these active shooter scenarios where they had little to

924
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: no information whatsoever and have to go in. And that's

925
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: that is. You can't wait for SWAT to show up.

926
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: You can and we've just seen it down in Texas.

927
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: You can't go in. They gotta go in, you know.

928
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: You guys, you guys, you guys are paid and sworn

929
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: to go in. Okay, that's your job is to go in.

930
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: It's to go in. That's not his job. That's not

931
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: my job. I didn't get a payroll to go in.

932
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: I used in the Air Force, you can hold me

933
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: to it. But today, so again though, to go back

934
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: to training. Air Soft, right, these guns that we're using

935
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: is doing a lot of what you're talking about with

936
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: replicating you know, functionality and muscle memory, how to hold

937
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: the rifle, how do you draw your pistol? Are you

938
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 1: carrying what? Do you have all your gear? Him? Are

939
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: you ready for that? Do you have too much on?

940
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: Are you just needing water and ammo for the situation?

941
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: Are you ready to go into the trenches? Do you

942
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: have heart issues? Did you ever have asthma? Are you

943
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a heat casualty out in the desert? When

944
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: I get two to three people together, these are questions

945
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: that are asked up front, and not just for me

946
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 1: to know, but for everyone around us to know, because

947
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: when I look around it others they'll know that this

948
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: person is diabetic and they have their insulin injection right here.

949
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: Put it in his nose. If he has that stuff,

950
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: This guy over here, he may have had a hard issue.

951
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: He's gonna monitor. His wife doesn't want him to die,

952
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: so let's make sure that doesn't happen. So you may

953
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: think in your mind that you're ready to go, but

954
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: if you've not conditioned yourself like Harvest, if you haven't

955
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 1: gone after it like Finn and these guys and train

956
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: their bodies, these seals consistently to be considered extreme athletes

957
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: like Olympians. I hope your trigger finger and your eye

958
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: on target is really good, because you're gonna need a

959
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: good shot. There's people running all over training as hard

960
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 1: as you. Like you said, train as you fight, fight

961
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: as you train, and they're sewing out there just like

962
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: in the Green Rats from John Wayne, training harder than

963
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: you to kill you. So just train, train, Train Train.

964
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: I did a post on social media. I used to

965
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: do martial arts and go to a gym in Chicago

966
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: way back, like when I was in my twenties, and

967
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: it was owned by by a cop who was a

968
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 1: martial artist, and I never forgot. I reproduced a poster

969
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: I saw in there on social media a couple of

970
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: months ago, and he had a picture of the back

971
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: of some tatted up prisoner. Alright, the guy had his

972
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: shirt off and he was doing Latin exercises and it

973
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: was a poster that I said, where'd you get that?

974
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: He said that we used to have him around in

975
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: our locker rooms and stuff at CPD, and it said

976
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: every day you don't train, he does. So it's you know,

977
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: eventually you're going to bump into this person who's been

978
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: going to the probably not going to the range, but

979
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: you know that's been working out and all that kind

980
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: of stuff. So it's a physical fitness. He's just as

981
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: important as you know, making sure you're you're getting to

982
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: the range and you're you're keeping your skills sharp. Though

983
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: it's perishable, so you know, if my wife needs me,

984
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: she falls down, I've got to help get my family

985
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: out of the house and a fire or whatever it is.

986
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: You know, I want to be able to help them.

987
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: I also want to be able to not keel over

988
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: from a heart attack from the stress of a home invasion. Two.

989
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 1: I want to be able to know that my body can.

990
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: I'll never know. I hope to never be in that situation.

991
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: I'll never know whether my body that or not. But

992
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to give myself the edge by watching

993
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: what I eat, not drinking too much, exercising, you know,

994
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: staying active. Bro. And here I am at forty four,

995
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: and I never thought I'd talked about drinking fiber and

996
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: like you know, and uh, you know, oh that was

997
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: a good bow passing, you know, my and and my

998
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: friends like, I'm jealous. Do you know I'm gonna drink

999
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, you know I never got that. You know,

1000
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: I never thought I'd get to this age. But you know,

1001
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: I'm the garbage, pale kid generation. And you know, and

1002
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: I think that you come from that life as well.

1003
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: And uh, and here we are watching metal musil on TV,

1004
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: changing the channel and now we're like put some of

1005
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: that in my cup, you know, and uh, listen, anything

1006
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: that gives Rad does, that's my my buddy and fifth group.

1007
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: I used to joke, if you're not cheating, you're not trying,

1008
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, whatever makes you combat effective. All right,

1009
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: I gotta get it out. I go a couple of

1010
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: days without going, well, listen, I think we're gonna laugh

1011
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 1: that one off. And I really want to say thank

1012
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: you for coming onto the show off software Radio. But also,

1013
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: you have an Instagram, you have a Facebook, and I

1014
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: want you to go ahead and it's Brad. Go ahead

1015
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: and tell your tell your websites. Yeah, at Brad thor

1016
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: So you can find me at Brad thor on Twitter

1017
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: and real Brad Thoor on Facebook and Brad thor on Instagram.

1018
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: That's It's pretty There's some guy out there and like

1019
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: Brad Thornton and he just chops wood with his shirt

1020
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: off and he's like at Brad Thoor like on TikTok,

1021
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: and so a lot of people show up, a lot

1022
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: of ladies show up on my social media thinking I'm

1023
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: gonna take the shirt off and chop wood, and I'm like,

1024
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: not today, dear, not doing that today, Not today. Not

1025
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm pretty easy. Yeah that today, I'm pretty easy to find.

1026
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: Brad Thorpe and Brad thor dot com. Yeah, you go

1027
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: to brad thor dot com my website and I link

1028
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: out to all my social media from there. So and

1029
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: your list of books and anything else you have. And

1030
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: if you want to reach out to Brad and ask

1031
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: him a couple of questions, I'm sure he's open to that.

1032
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: But you know, I want to say thanks again. And

1033
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: my name is Rad and this is me saying thanks

1034
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: for everyone. Here a software radio and I'm gonna sign

1035
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: off with that safety you've been listening to self red

1036
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Speaker 1: Radio