Speaker 1: They Around the NFL podcast, great additional crew work.
Speaker 2: Gregg, Welcome to another edition of Around the NFL. He
Speaker 2: is he's working his way up the ranks and people
Speaker 2: are noticing he's turning heads.
Speaker 1: But is there a glass ceiling?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been marginally impressive by Greg his second career of.
Speaker 2: His Dan Hands is here with you heard Mark Sessler
Speaker 2: and yes, Greg Rosenthal. That's in reference, of course, to
Speaker 2: the Flashpoint Focus series, which you know, here's the thing
Speaker 2: about the Flashpoint Focus series. You don't just pencil on
Speaker 2: an episode date where it's like this is the next episode.
Speaker 2: It's when it when it kind of comes into focus.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 2: And I just have a feeling there's something, there's something
Speaker 2: in the air that there could be one coming up soon.
Speaker 2: That's that's all. That's all I can say. Does anybody
Speaker 2: else have that feeling?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 5: Is this a flashpoint Focus? About a flashpoint Focus?
Speaker 1: Sounds about right? How's everybody doing?
Speaker 2: I great job holding it down with the great Patrick
Speaker 2: Claibhon On Tuesday, is the combine kicked off? I spent
Speaker 2: some good time with my parents who are visiting in town,
Speaker 2: and now I am locked in as well. The underwear
Speaker 2: Olympics roll on or getting going in Indianapolis, and we'll
Speaker 2: continue to comb the desert there and find some news
Speaker 2: coming out of Indy and the Lucas Oil Stadium. But
Speaker 2: we're also going to dig into some free agency and
Speaker 2: team transaction talk, Reggie. In fact, we're going to try
Speaker 2: to put together some realistic trades a little bit later
Speaker 2: with the great roto Pat Pat Dherty.
Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to my time of year. Well.
Speaker 5: As we finished taping this, the on field drills kind
Speaker 5: of start at the combine and we'll wrap all those
Speaker 5: up on Monday and time about them next week. But
Speaker 5: it's almost like I enjoy this part. It's good, good
Speaker 5: to learn about all the prospects. It's like, get it
Speaker 5: out of the way, and then the real the fun
Speaker 5: starts for a couple of weeks and then we chill
Speaker 5: for like months.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts about.
Speaker 3: I was just reflecting back on the flashpoint focus updatedly
Speaker 3: provided and I am with you that it feels inevitable
Speaker 3: that there's some sort of tipping point coming, but it
Speaker 3: is mysterious at this point. I can I just can
Speaker 3: sense it like an Ariage original in the skies coming
Speaker 3: closer to to our city.
Speaker 2: And there it is a fun it's kind of a
Speaker 2: funky time of the NFL calendar, I find because you
Speaker 2: do have this big event, this ten pole event of
Speaker 2: the Combine, and you have all the or many or
Speaker 2: most of the gms and coaches there and they're talking.
Speaker 2: So it makes you feel like this is a very
Speaker 2: you know, big time of year news wise, but you
Speaker 2: know it's still there as you guys definitely handled on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of food ezy stuff out there right now.
Speaker 2: The real meat and potatoes of the news is coming
Speaker 2: up as the free agency kicks off in ernest I
Speaker 2: believe next week a couple weeks, two weeks, and of
Speaker 2: course then the draft starts getting closer. So we're gonna
Speaker 2: get you up to date on everything that's going on.
Speaker 2: And do you want to start where we usually start,
Speaker 2: which is the latest news.
Speaker 4: Please let's do it.
Speaker 1: Playing press on the outside, the homes will throw it
Speaker 1: in the pocket.
Speaker 6: He's launching one long.
Speaker 7: Mark quest for the scanty catches the call at the
Speaker 7: raven thirty on his backside, shades of the catch he
Speaker 7: had against Cincinnati in the end zone last year of
Speaker 7: the AFC Championship Game.
Speaker 2: There's the call of course, some Mitch Holtis and the
Speaker 2: AFC Title Game. Marquez Velde Scantling one of the more
Speaker 2: frustrating wide receivers in the league, a guy that has
Speaker 2: always gotten open, has always had premium quarterback talent around him,
Speaker 2: but has never really broken through, but has made big plays.
Speaker 2: As you just heard, there was one of them, also
Speaker 2: scored in the touch and the Super Bowl. The recent
Speaker 2: Chiefs went over the Niners, but now it looks like
Speaker 2: MBS will be once again looking for a new team
Speaker 2: because the Kansas City Chiefs are releasing the wide receiver
Speaker 2: who was headed into the final season of his three
Speaker 2: year deal. It gives the Chiefs much needed cap help.
Speaker 2: It provides twelve million in cap savings per over the cap.
Speaker 2: So on the week where we learned that the Chiefs
Speaker 2: were going to tag Lugarius Snead and be open to
Speaker 2: a trade of him, and they are obviously all in,
Speaker 2: it seems I'm trying to get Chris Jones signed to
Speaker 2: a long term deal. This is some house cleaning that
Speaker 2: is much necessary. And also love him or hate him,
Speaker 2: or who loved them, but MBS did serve a role
Speaker 2: in at a paired down offensive attack down the stretch
Speaker 2: for the Chiefs, and now they have to find a
Speaker 2: replacement for him.
Speaker 4: So the Chiefs have a lot of work to do well.
Speaker 5: I think they're going to spend money and or draft
Speaker 5: picks receiver. We're talking trades later, and to me, they're
Speaker 5: a candidate for a wide receiver trade if any team
Speaker 5: out there is. So they're clearing money to do it.
Speaker 4: And yet I'm not.
Speaker 5: Sure if they win back to back Super Bowls without
Speaker 5: mvs or without some MBS like character. And there is
Speaker 5: something funny and I identify it with a little bit
Speaker 5: as a Patriots fan. If if a bad move that
Speaker 5: you made results in a couple big time postseason plays
Speaker 5: that leads to your championship, it all feels worth it.
Speaker 5: He MBS had a monster AFC championship game a year ago,
Speaker 5: a huge one hundred and sixteen yards, and then in
Speaker 5: the playoffs and the AFC playoffs he had like the
Speaker 5: biggest catches in each of the divisional rounding the conference championship.
Speaker 5: So if you're a Chiefs fan, it's like, okay, that
Speaker 5: kind of was a waste of money, but we wouldn't
Speaker 5: won a super Bowl without it. It reminds me of when
Speaker 5: the Patriots drafted Sony Michelle over Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4: I still a little.
Speaker 5: Salty about that, but uh, you know, they did get
Speaker 5: a title out of it, I guess in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3: I mean, Dan, you're right to call him a he
Speaker 3: was a frustrating overall experience. But it's like he was
Speaker 3: until he wasn't, and like the whole offense was a
Speaker 3: tough watch and then suddenly MBS made absolutely monster plays
Speaker 3: down the short I think you're right, greg Le. They
Speaker 3: don't reach the super Bowl or win it without a
Speaker 3: couple of those plays, but they are a strong candidate
Speaker 3: to reimagine the entire wide out room.
Speaker 1: And I'm with you that.
Speaker 3: I think when you think about a team that would
Speaker 3: be prepared to make a trade for a veteran wide
Speaker 3: out who you can plug in right away, you know
Speaker 3: what you're getting because they're sitting down number thirty two
Speaker 3: in the draft. I mean, there's a lot of good
Speaker 3: wide receivers, but you're not gonna get one of the
Speaker 3: premier guys necessarily there. It's like they just feel like
Speaker 3: a trade candidate big time.
Speaker 2: To me, they're just so interesting because I said this
Speaker 2: last week that for a team that's coming off a
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, they have big decisions to make, and they
Speaker 2: could go in two very different directions. They could build
Speaker 2: around Mahomes and try to become a five hundred point
Speaker 2: team again and get back to the glory days there.
Speaker 2: Or they could dig in around Jones and Snead and
Speaker 2: keep that defense with spags intact and find a way
Speaker 2: on offense. And maybe what this is is there trying
Speaker 2: to thread the needle here, because if they do look
Speaker 2: to trade sneed and obviously develop a new cornerback through
Speaker 2: the draft or a cheaper signing or someone already on
Speaker 2: the roster, then you can keep Chris Jones. He's the
Speaker 2: heart and soul that defense. You have the coordinator, you
Speaker 2: find a way, and then you go and attack that offense.
Speaker 2: And it's a scary thought for the rest of the
Speaker 2: league because the Chiefs, I still think won the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl this year as a compromised team that still found away,
Speaker 2: and they could they could be the rare Super Bowl
Speaker 2: team where they get a lot better in the offseason
Speaker 2: and it's actually real, not like fake better, real better.
Speaker 4: I think that's how they'll spend their money.
Speaker 5: You mentioned sneed getting tagged, which we had breaking news
Speaker 5: right at the end of our show, Dan, but we
Speaker 5: didn't have the information that they give them permission to
Speaker 5: seek a trade right away, which the fact that that
Speaker 5: came with the news indicates to me he's very likely
Speaker 5: on the move if they get a good offer, and
Speaker 5: I don't see why they wouldn't get a good offer
Speaker 5: for a second team all pro like entering his prime.
Speaker 1: He'll have a great market.
Speaker 2: He is a decorated cover corner, a versatile guy, just
Speaker 2: came off a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: So the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: I think the Chiefs are set up potentially for a
Speaker 2: monster offseason. We'll see what happens. In other news, the
Speaker 2: Bengals they're looking to get back to the realm of
Speaker 2: the AFC elite, and it's looking increasingly apparent that they
Speaker 2: think t Higgins being on the team is necessary toward
Speaker 2: that goal. The Inquirer Cincinnati in acquirer Charlie Goldsmith reported
Speaker 2: the Bengals have quote no plans to trade T Higgins.
Speaker 2: That kind of echoes what Duke Tobin, their director player personnel,
Speaker 2: said that they plan to keep Higgins on the roster.
Speaker 2: So T Higgins, who is a perfect compliment obviously to
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase. And it looks like Tyler Boyd is going
Speaker 2: to reach free agency. But if you have those two
Speaker 2: guys as your dogs with Joe Burrow, as long as
Speaker 2: you could protect the quarterback, they're gonna score a lot
Speaker 2: of points.
Speaker 3: This felt like a completely necessary move, and we touched
Speaker 3: on it a little on our last episode, but the
Speaker 3: news did firm up about what might happens. It might
Speaker 3: happen with a tag to t Higgins, like would they
Speaker 3: tag and trade them? Like with a sneeze like, and
Speaker 3: that's just not gonna happen. I just cannot imagine a
Speaker 3: world where you take take weapons away from Joe Burrow
Speaker 3: when you're already gonna lose potentially Tyler Boyd as well.
Speaker 3: It's like this is your window, Like, just don't don't
Speaker 3: make false mistakes here and strip them away of a
Speaker 3: totally promising they have two number one wide receivers.
Speaker 4: That's how you get back to the d AFC title game.
Speaker 5: It's it's I don't know if it's bold and I
Speaker 5: like it. It's not surprising because it's just a Bengalsy thing
Speaker 5: to do. They let Jason Jesse Bates play out the
Speaker 5: last year. They like, well, we're gonna get one more
Speaker 5: good year out of Baits. You know, they almost won
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl. We're gonna get one more year out
Speaker 5: of te Higgins. We'll not worry about what we get
Speaker 5: cause I unlike I've seen some analysts out there say,
Speaker 5: like the wide receiver market, I don't know if it's
Speaker 5: gonna be as strong. You have to give them the
Speaker 5: huge contract. It's like, no, I think t Higgins. They
Speaker 5: could get like a late first round pick fort Higgins,
Speaker 5: And I don't hate that they're not going to do it.
Speaker 5: You only have so many years where you're gonna have
Speaker 5: two great wide receivers like that, and I would not
Speaker 5: expect them to be back on the team. And they've
Speaker 5: done this before. They did it with Baits. They actually
Speaker 5: did it with aj Green during the COVID year, which
Speaker 5: was a bad decision. They just had him stay one
Speaker 5: more year and he suddenly turned really old in that season.
Speaker 5: They've done it in the past, and it's fine, go
Speaker 5: do it right now while everyone's.
Speaker 2: Around in other news. You know what, I get it.
Speaker 2: I've said on this podcast.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 2: My favorite team is kind of a source of fail
Speaker 2: Sun entertainment for everyone else, and I get it, and
Speaker 2: they're delivering. I feel like a lot of good content lately,
Speaker 2: and this year should be interesting. New York Jets had
Speaker 2: a wide receiver named Mikole Hardman, who's formerly of the Chiefs,
Speaker 2: that they brought in in the offseason, who was supposed
Speaker 2: to be a good compliment and add an element of
Speaker 2: big play, a big play element to their offense. It
Speaker 2: never happened. He barely was seeing the field and eventually
Speaker 2: he was traded back to the Chiefs, where yes, he
Speaker 2: had the walk off touchdown in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Isn't that funny? Isn't that so cool?
Speaker 5: Anyway, he also almost lost them, you know, ended their
Speaker 5: season before he did that with his terrible play.
Speaker 1: He's he's a dummy.
Speaker 2: But let's let's let's focus on the news that came
Speaker 2: out this week that Nicole Hardman, and this is according
Speaker 2: some reporting from Connor Hughes, that Hardman, frustrated by his
Speaker 2: lack of usage with the Jets, leaked game plans to
Speaker 2: the opposition. It was employed implied by several players on
Speaker 2: social media, amongst them Sauce Gardner. He he leaked game
Speaker 2: plan details to the Eagles and also the Chiefs, ironically
Speaker 2: games in which the Jets have their high point of
Speaker 2: their season of victory over the Eagles when we were
Speaker 2: in London, as you may recall, gentlemen, and then a
Speaker 2: Sunday night game with the Chiefs that went down to
Speaker 2: the final minutes that they lost. And also a commentary
Speaker 2: that Mikole Hardman made at some point before his trade
Speaker 2: saying that he had been in contact with both both
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes and Brett visch Veach the GM come get me,
Speaker 2: so the Jets are potentially report out there investigating tampering.
Speaker 2: So and I mean, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: just a really good move to bring m Cool Hardman
Speaker 2: into the organization.
Speaker 4: It worked, It worked almost perfectly.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's It is kind of a reminder though
Speaker 3: that some of these off season ball stream of rosters
Speaker 3: and moves that get treated with a lot of you know, grandeur,
Speaker 3: Because it was like Robert Sola that you know, last
Speaker 3: offseason was gushing about me col Hardman and his speed
Speaker 3: and called him like gas I think, and just like
Speaker 3: it seemed like it all was gonna work and it
Speaker 3: couldn't have gone worse. But my thing is like if
Speaker 3: they if this can be proven that he that he's
Speaker 3: sharing game plans and I'm not saying that, like unleashing
Speaker 3: the Jets game plan to the opponent was a lot
Speaker 3: of top secret stuff to begin with. When you have
Speaker 3: Nate hackettren no offense. But I just want to that's
Speaker 3: suspension territory. How do you how does.
Speaker 1: How is that different? To your point? Like, how is that?
Speaker 2: You know, we're very we come down very hard on
Speaker 2: gamblings as our league makes millions upon millions of dollars
Speaker 2: off it, and the idea it's all about the integrity
Speaker 2: of the game. If they they're digging through players' phones
Speaker 2: and emails and things to find out evidence of that,
Speaker 2: if they have evidence on his phone or wherever else
Speaker 2: that he was leaking the game plan of his own team,
Speaker 2: first of all, he should be out of the league forever.
Speaker 2: Why would anyone want that guy on their team? And secondly,
Speaker 2: why wouldn't the league come down hard? I agree one
Speaker 2: hundred percent with you. I was the first thought I had.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I don't know, I just based on the reporting.
Speaker 5: I don't know if there is like a smoking gun,
Speaker 5: it might be one of those things that got kind
Speaker 5: of talked talked around by the other players. He is
Speaker 5: certainly not a popular man, uh in the Jets locker room.
Speaker 5: I'm sure the way it all ended, and he didn't
Speaker 5: like this partly came about because he went on a
Speaker 5: podcast I think it was Ryan Clark's poadcast, and yeah,
Speaker 5: he said how he was completely checked out of the Jets.
Speaker 5: Admitted that he refused to return punts for them one
Speaker 5: game because he felt like he had been lied to
Speaker 5: about having the punt return job or whatever and then
Speaker 5: was just like not giving any effort whatsoever. He admitted it,
Speaker 5: like in the middle of his s career, which is,
Speaker 5: you know, not something you probably want to put out
Speaker 5: there because I don't know if the Chiefs are that
Speaker 5: interested in keeping them either. I mean, it was a
Speaker 5: nice He'll always have his moment. I mean it's he's
Speaker 5: not quite Malcolm Butler, but he'll always be part of
Speaker 5: like history.
Speaker 4: But that might be about it for his career.
Speaker 2: And this is going to sound like, you know, sour
Speaker 2: down with the Jets, but I just think he and
Speaker 2: if you watch Hard Knocks, and I talked about it
Speaker 2: with Collien at the time, if you feel you must
Speaker 2: go check the tape that he was one of the
Speaker 2: only people that didn't come off well on hard Knocks.
Speaker 2: He walked around with aviators indoors and kind of carried
Speaker 2: himself in a different way than everyone else in all
Speaker 2: the you know, the player bonding activities. It was just like,
Speaker 2: what's hardman all about? So seems to be a premium knucklehead.
Speaker 2: But congratulations on that suit bowl and all the glory
Speaker 2: that came with it.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: Oh, Also, Zach Wilson has been given permission to seek
Speaker 2: a trade.
Speaker 4: Good luck.
Speaker 2: I saw a report out there connecting him to Sean
Speaker 2: McVay and the Rams.
Speaker 4: Okay, we'll see put a pin in that.
Speaker 5: I actually have seven different Zach Wilson trade proposals coming
Speaker 5: up better part two of the show.
Speaker 3: I actually do have a Zach Wilson one. It's one
Speaker 3: of about sixty that I concocted thom.
Speaker 2: And I know it drives you guys and some listeners
Speaker 2: crazy that I believe that Sam Darnold is an NFL
Speaker 2: player that could be successful in this league. You will
Speaker 2: not hear me saying about that about Zach Wilson. That
Speaker 2: that was that always had a funky smell to it
Speaker 2: and I don't believe he has a future in the league. Finally,
Speaker 2: let's spin through a couple of things real quick. Uh,
Speaker 2: Jane Smith, the well traveled tight end. He has been
Speaker 2: released by the Falcons, so he was cut. Gino is
Speaker 2: locked in after a con Geno Smith locked in after
Speaker 2: a contract restructure. Those two items are out there. I thought,
Speaker 2: you know, Smith was actually pretty good last year.
Speaker 4: John who yet? I mean, he was like the guy
Speaker 4: that was on top of.
Speaker 2: Did you do the thing where it's like you're saying
Speaker 2: the first name long so you're gonna correct it before
Speaker 2: you go into your point.
Speaker 4: Thank you. I appreciate it, Thank you. So I don't
Speaker 4: know what's the best John?
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, he had a pretty good year, you.
Speaker 5: Know, former Patriot great John new Smith. Look, he was
Speaker 5: the guy who was always at the top of your
Speaker 5: free agent waiver wire if you play fantasy and you're like, hmmm,
Speaker 5: he does have like five hundred yards this season.
Speaker 4: And fifty catches. Should I pick up China Smith? But
Speaker 4: you don't want to.
Speaker 5: Get the the ultimate like the week where he goes
Speaker 5: one for eight, which is probably what's gonna happen next.
Speaker 4: He just put him in Pittsburgh. He can follow with
Speaker 4: Arthur Smith.
Speaker 5: But it was interesting at the combine that the Seahawks
Speaker 5: essentially said I think they were a little misleading the
Speaker 5: way they said. They were like, oh yeah, Gino was
Speaker 5: always coming back, like it was just a question a timing.
Speaker 4: I think they went through the process they decided he is.
Speaker 5: Coming back, But the way they move the money around
Speaker 5: in his contract, he is locked in now as a Seahawk,
Speaker 5: so he's not going anywhere. Think it'll be Gino in
Speaker 5: some rookie to be named later. And finally in the news, Warner.
Speaker 8: Goes under Stuffy's gonna go back in the shotgun first
Speaker 8: and goal with the two side Cardos left, Steelers show blitch.
Speaker 8: He throws the pass up. It's gonna be tech top
Speaker 8: Saint Harrison nat He's running up the timeline twenty five,
Speaker 8: thirty thirty five, forty still on a street. At the
Speaker 8: forty five head down, probably still on a street here,
Speaker 8: cuts pass is stuffing on the people. Put at twenty
Speaker 8: to fifteen. The cant the fat the touchdown shirt.
Speaker 4: An amazing way, an amazing play.
Speaker 2: I still think the most amazing play in NFL Super
Speaker 2: Bowl history, at least in a not end of game
Speaker 2: scenario w DVE. That is Bill Hillgrove with the call
Speaker 2: of James Harrison's pick six of Kurt Warner of the
Speaker 2: Cardinals in Super Bowl fifty three, took it back one
Speaker 2: hundred yards and they needed every one of those points
Speaker 2: because the Steelers were actually down in the final minutes.
Speaker 2: Warner was playing out of his mind with Larry Fitzgerald
Speaker 2: and then Big Ben to Santonio Holmes in the back
Speaker 2: of the end zone. Another classic Hillgrove call, and the
Speaker 2: venerable play by play man is stepping down the teammate
Speaker 2: the announcement on Thursday that the eighty four year old
Speaker 2: is out retiring as the play voice of the Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: Steelers after three decades on the job. He took over
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety four from Jack Fleming and now it
Speaker 2: is Hillgrove stepping aside. And people that listen to this
Speaker 2: podcast know we have a quite an affinity for local
Speaker 2: play by playmen and how they serve as the voice
Speaker 2: of the fans. And it is, you know, a passing
Speaker 2: of the torch moment for Steelers fans because there's been
Speaker 2: a lot of big time moments in the last thirty years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think like you.
Speaker 3: The special thing about radio is that most of your memories, obviously,
Speaker 3: you're creating these images in your mind while you're like
Speaker 3: driving around, Like I don't even I'm not a big
Speaker 3: baseball fan, but I kind of love driving around listening
Speaker 3: to like a Dodgers game once in a while.
Speaker 4: It just creates this texture.
Speaker 3: His his name, his voice has been in our lives
Speaker 3: as long as we've been fans for the most part.
Speaker 3: And I think the way you judge these guys is
Speaker 3: in the biggest moments, like do they nail that call?
Speaker 3: And like, that's a great example of how precise and
Speaker 3: entertaining and andverbally talented he was.
Speaker 4: He's a man.
Speaker 5: It actually was making me think like they might be
Speaker 5: the most beloved positions in the media.
Speaker 4: Like columnists.
Speaker 5: Everyone turns on columnists if they ever like them to
Speaker 5: begin with, Like they get mixed reactions. National broadcasters, they'll
Speaker 5: have their fans, but they get a ton of hate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, even podcasts. You stick along around long enough, people
Speaker 4: start turning on you too. But the local legend radio
Speaker 4: host is like beloved are our friend?
Speaker 3: J B.
Speaker 4: Long's gonna be that guy.
Speaker 5: Someday people are gonna listened to that that Collie made
Speaker 5: when they won the Super Bowl Forever Great?
Speaker 3: Do you think that at this point, at this stage
Speaker 3: and there is online evidence that this is possibly the
Speaker 3: case that the listeners are starting to turn on us
Speaker 3: to their ain degrees?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean we've probably never all of us haven't
Speaker 5: been equally beloved the whole time, But yeah, I would
Speaker 5: think there's some there's some there's some haters out there.
Speaker 4: But the good thing the podcasts is just like stop listening,
Speaker 4: you know, so that part I don't you do have
Speaker 4: that power? Take a walk loser?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If I write a podcast memoir in a few years,
Speaker 2: it would be uh, die hero or live long enough
Speaker 2: to see yourself become the villain? I feel like that
Speaker 2: is forward by Sir Anthony Hopkins. It's got a nice rink.
Speaker 4: To it, and you're absolutely right.
Speaker 5: Mark Me and a couple of friends who actually were
Speaker 5: and this is like a sad Patriots fan thing to do.
Speaker 5: At this point, we're texting the Gil Santos call of
Speaker 5: Adam Vinteri winning the first Super Bowl with him, which
Speaker 5: he absolutely nailed, just the way the octaves in his
Speaker 5: voice goes up like sticks with me forever and gives
Speaker 5: me chills. I only played it because Walker wanted to
Speaker 5: listen to it, and he absolutely nailed that call. And
Speaker 5: like Gil Santos, rest in peace will be a legend
Speaker 5: forever in New England for that.
Speaker 2: Yes, Walker was told, if you want my love and
Speaker 2: a new baseball bat for the season, you will listen
Speaker 2: to this call.
Speaker 4: No, he asked about it. He asked about it.
Speaker 5: He's like, Daddy, tell me when they weren't embarrassing f
Speaker 5: minuses on the NFLPA report or whatever.
Speaker 1: That's right, let's talk about that in a second.
Speaker 2: But I know you guys mentioned Peter King, but Peter
Speaker 2: King retiring after you know, decades and decades is the
Speaker 2: you know, kind of the voice of the league as
Speaker 2: a columnist.
Speaker 1: Hill Grove moving on, it's you.
Speaker 2: Know, we've been doing this long enough now where you know,
Speaker 2: we've been covering the football for it feels like a
Speaker 2: mini generation of the league's history and now everything changes,
Speaker 2: you know what, somebody's gonna come for us one day too,
Speaker 2: So let's just enjoy it while we have it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did put out the grades.
Speaker 2: That's one more item the n f L P A
Speaker 2: kind of like this move and by the way what
Speaker 2: I was saying at the top of the show. This
Speaker 2: is a perfect example the the machine wants you to
Speaker 2: think this is a massive week or two on the
Speaker 2: calendar right now, but like in reality, it's a lot
Speaker 2: of flotsam and jetsam. So that's when the Union says,
Speaker 2: this is where we'll drop in our grades of coaches,
Speaker 2: facilities and the survey of their players. And three head
Speaker 2: coaches got A plus grades when the when their players
Speaker 2: were surveyed. Andy Reid, well you knew it would be read.
Speaker 2: Can you guess who the other tour if you didn't see.
Speaker 4: This, I did a plus. I think I handle a plus.
Speaker 2: Uh, Kevin O'Connell and Dan Campbell the only three coaches
Speaker 2: that get an A plus.
Speaker 1: Now Reid might have gotten an A plus.
Speaker 2: However, the Chiefs, and this is the case I believe
Speaker 2: last year as well, didn't fare so well in other voting.
Speaker 2: Their facilities were I think at the bottom of the
Speaker 2: list and GM Brett Veach did not get graded well
Speaker 2: at all either, which you know they're back to back champion.
Speaker 2: So take that with a grain of salt, or see
Speaker 2: it as a la ravio magnifico of the entire experience
Speaker 2: anything else that kind of jumped out from the union
Speaker 2: list here well, that.
Speaker 3: The timing of the vote mattered, because they pointed out
Speaker 3: that Nick Sirianni received an A.
Speaker 4: But these holes.
Speaker 3: Were done in November before they went off at the
Speaker 3: side of a cliff, So I wonder what even a
Speaker 3: six week difference would have made for some of these marks.
Speaker 5: I think it was mostly about like communication and following
Speaker 5: through on your word. So the veach thing, maybe he
Speaker 5: doesn't have a great like interpersonal skills. But the ownership stuff,
Speaker 5: Clark Hunt going thirty first out of thirty two owners
Speaker 5: because they feel like he's been selling them a bill
Speaker 5: of goods about their cheap facility, which kind of is
Speaker 5: fairly well known as one of the most rundown old facilities,
Speaker 5: and that basically he's repeated promised to fix it and
Speaker 5: then they were like, ah, you guys keep going on
Speaker 5: these long playoff runs. We didn't have time to fix it.
Speaker 5: It is a little interesting. It hasn't worked like they
Speaker 5: they banged into what.
Speaker 1: It actually says, Gregor you just protect might say, what
Speaker 1: until your playoff run was too long? We didn't have
Speaker 1: time this year.
Speaker 5: No, that was they That was like one of the
Speaker 5: things that apparently he said he said to them after
Speaker 5: last season or something. It did work though, Like remember
Speaker 5: last year that like the floors who were on even
Speaker 5: in Arizona or Cincinnati, and a bunch of stuff were too,
Speaker 5: Like those teams were so embarrassed. And Tampa was another
Speaker 5: one that they did kind of like fix this relatively
Speaker 5: small scale stuff like the Cardinals, Uh no longer, you know,
Speaker 5: charge money.
Speaker 4: For people to eat there. So I would like this.
Speaker 5: If we had this at our work, we could we
Speaker 5: could have little you know, you know, try to improve
Speaker 5: what you can improve. I bet they're going to fix
Speaker 5: those facilities in Kansas City. I bet he doesn't like it.
Speaker 5: On ESPN, this is like a lead story that Clark
Speaker 5: Hunt's one of the worst owners in sports.
Speaker 3: Well he calls a total firestorm for the Cardinals a
Speaker 3: year ago. You're right, And like the one that I
Speaker 3: kept seeing people going nuts about was that the Chargers
Speaker 3: and we and I I think it's you get the
Speaker 3: feeling that the Chargers cut some corners here and there
Speaker 3: in general, but they charged their players for game day
Speaker 3: daycare for their children. It's seventy five dollars for the
Speaker 3: first child. And fifty for each additional child. Now, look
Speaker 3: at I don't I don't know what the other teams
Speaker 3: are doing on that front, but this like became a
Speaker 3: fiery talking point on Twitter yesterday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bucks like as another example and why this
Speaker 2: is a really smart idea by the union even if
Speaker 2: it probably ruffles some feathers in terms of relationship between
Speaker 2: the two sides. The Bucks felt compelled to release an
Speaker 2: organizational statement after they got slammed for having an unclean
Speaker 2: and smelly locker.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 5: It's like, what if we were just like, can we
Speaker 5: get those we get some red apples in the in
Speaker 5: the little.
Speaker 4: Jar outside of mess because they're flavorless.
Speaker 1: The green ones, I like the tank green.
Speaker 2: And by the way, for people, younger people out there
Speaker 2: when they have those town halls for your job and like,
Speaker 2: you know, one of the people on the show needs
Speaker 2: to kind of ball inline on this too. Don't fall
Speaker 2: into the trap of thinking you can speak your mind
Speaker 2: because certain members of management will use it against you
Speaker 2: if you try to embarrass them.
Speaker 5: You know, we've seen we've seen multiple and I know
Speaker 5: you're talking about me, and I take that note.
Speaker 4: I accept it.
Speaker 1: We have see shadowy, leak, figure trap move, never stand up.
Speaker 5: We've seen multiple former NFL employees contribute to their status
Speaker 5: as former NFL media employees by stepping up in those
Speaker 5: big spots.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, Mark, I have learned to say nothing
Speaker 3: except in then I do say something and then I
Speaker 3: wish I didn't.
Speaker 4: That's how it typically works. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And that's uh what's happening in the news. Let's take
Speaker 2: a break, and when we get back, we will welcome
Speaker 2: in the great Rhodopat Welcome back. Our next guest is
Speaker 2: a favorite, a personal favorite. Mark loves him. Greg hot
Speaker 2: and cold. He is one of the great NFL writers.
Speaker 4: He'll be a break the sports. He is a Jeff
Speaker 4: Fisher scholar.
Speaker 2: And if you have any questions about Joe Flacco talking
Speaker 2: Roger Federer's poise, you know where to go roto Pat
Speaker 2: Patrick Dharty.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to around the NFL.
Speaker 6: Pointing out all my truly terrible Twitter memes that I
Speaker 6: keep on my account for like seven years at a
Speaker 6: time should probably change my Joe clock o'broncos heater, especially
Speaker 6: since he's good again. He's the comeback player of the year.
Speaker 6: He's so good that everyone pointed out it was better
Speaker 6: than literally coming back to life.
Speaker 4: Does anyone remember Joe flaccol on the Broncos at this point?
Speaker 4: I certainly don't.
Speaker 6: Roger Federer does.
Speaker 1: Greg? Do you want to hash out the beef there
Speaker 1: with Rhoda Pat Well?
Speaker 4: There was there was no beef.
Speaker 5: Although I'm not even actually sure if I did hire Rhodopap,
Speaker 5: but I remember I was a big supporter of him.
Speaker 5: Back you were at road a world while we were
Speaker 5: laying brick by brick. I shouldn't take credit for for you.
Speaker 5: If Evan hired, he probably did, so.
Speaker 6: You can't claim credit it was Evan. He actually Evan
Speaker 6: stole me in the night from the baseball side of
Speaker 6: the site too. They were I was going to do
Speaker 6: like a baseball test shift, and he immediately got me
Speaker 6: installed in a football test shift.
Speaker 1: This is not a joke.
Speaker 6: I did both sports about eighteen months, and the one
Speaker 6: day one of our other bosses, Greg Brett Randomark has
Speaker 6: called me, it's like Evan said, you're not doing baseball anymore.
Speaker 8: All right.
Speaker 5: I've thought about that often, and I know we would
Speaker 5: get to the trades. The first six months at Road
Speaker 5: to where I loved baseball. Baseball was, you know, my
Speaker 5: favorite sport at the time, and I wrote the baseball magazine.
Speaker 5: I worked in both baseball and football, and I often
Speaker 5: think like, if I had just not been assigned to
Speaker 5: cover football, how much worse my life would be, wouldn't
Speaker 5: he here.
Speaker 1: Great sliding doors moments.
Speaker 4: We were like OKI's in the thirties and as many opportunities.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, the NFL has been very, very good
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we were like OKI's in the thirties and forties.
Speaker 6: Just get all the way to California. Don't stop on
Speaker 6: the way there, skip over baseball and skip to football.
Speaker 6: That's for the almighty American dollars.
Speaker 3: I have always wondered Pat like, if you suddenly switched gears,
Speaker 3: developed a new interest, became like a tax account or something,
Speaker 3: you'd have to rebrand your entire handless. The roado part
Speaker 3: of it wouldn't make no sense at that point, but.
Speaker 4: The wardrobe would be ready to go.
Speaker 6: I think, right now, what do you gona think of
Speaker 6: my tasteful wardrobe? You guys have the really tasteful backdrops.
Speaker 6: I have the tasteful wardrobe.
Speaker 2: I need to work on my backdrops, but they used
Speaker 2: to BEFO before Musk came along. They used to hold
Speaker 2: it above your head like like an anvil. Do not
Speaker 2: change your handle or you lose your your verified check mark.
Speaker 2: And now we all lost our verified check mark. So
Speaker 2: I think he could change the handle.
Speaker 1: Keep now.
Speaker 2: Some people will be confused that followers of Pat will
Speaker 2: be confused if all of a sudden he's talking about
Speaker 2: advanced accounting around tax season after fifteen years of talking
Speaker 2: to baseball and football.
Speaker 1: But you know they'll figure it out. He'll keep something,
Speaker 1: he'll loose some.
Speaker 6: I have so much podcasting experience too, I'm sure I
Speaker 6: could be asked being an account and like I just
Speaker 6: don't cheat on your taxes. You should be pretty good.
Speaker 6: Even if you cheat a little bit, you're probably all right.
Speaker 2: All right, tax podcast would very much weight, But you
Speaker 2: know what it's once you have you define what your
Speaker 2: audience is and then you just go for it. And
Speaker 2: I think Pat would have a chance. Here we are
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about Yes, while the combine is
Speaker 2: kicking off, we're going to really be digging into the
Speaker 2: draft side of things once those activities have ceased in Indianapolis.
Speaker 2: But for now, we're going to keep our eyes on
Speaker 2: what's current, the players currently on rosters, with free agency
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks away, and players under contract, and
Speaker 2: teams trying to figure out how financially they want to attack,
Speaker 2: so trades could happen.
Speaker 1: In fact, I believe it was around this time last year,
Speaker 1: or maybe the year before the Russell Wilson trade went
Speaker 1: down as an example, two years ago now, and so
Speaker 1: we could get a big one as teams set up
Speaker 1: for free agency.
Speaker 4: So why not let's throw out some trades. Let's try
Speaker 4: to keep them in the realm of reality, things that
Speaker 4: could make sense. Now.
Speaker 2: I know we said before we started that Rotopad has
Speaker 2: a hammer drop to end all hammer drops as we
Speaker 2: build it up to a level of expectations that cannot
Speaker 2: possibly meet.
Speaker 1: But that's how we'll end. But we're also going to
Speaker 1: start with our guest Patrick, get us going with the trade.
Speaker 6: First, of you're right, you're actually kind of late on
Speaker 6: a big trade where you know, the new league year
Speaker 6: when it begins March thirteenth. That has never stopped people
Speaker 6: from announcing trades in like January eighteenth, like Matthew Stafford
Speaker 6: to the Rams, like kind of wondering why the rules
Speaker 6: even in place at all when that kind of stuff
Speaker 6: can happen. But I'll start you're promising a hammer drop,
Speaker 6: I'll start as normy as possible, Okay, and I just
Speaker 6: the normy trade I want to happen is justin fields
Speaker 6: to the Atlanta Falcons repair of second round picks. Some
Speaker 6: people will say he won't fetch that much. I call
Speaker 6: two second rounders kind of like the gentleman's first rounder,
Speaker 6: where you can't be seen like valuing him at a
Speaker 6: first round level. And I feel like, like like toxic
Speaker 6: fan purposes. He's not worth the first rounder, but he
Speaker 6: could be worth two second rounders. It's not an all
Speaker 6: in move. It won't like cripple the franchise. You don't
Speaker 6: have to make an all in move. In the NFC South,
Speaker 6: it's a similar roster to the Bears, where it's made
Speaker 6: to have a high octane rushing attack. It's got a
Speaker 6: solid defense. He's proven despite his passing limitations, he can
Speaker 6: at least like strike up one of those like amazing
Speaker 6: like alpha wide receiver connections as you did last year
Speaker 6: with Dj Moore. And I just think it's a good
Speaker 6: It's more than a whole serve move. But it's like
Speaker 6: the Falcons finally trying to like actually get serious about
Speaker 6: quarterback without having to make like some totally fan. Maybe
Speaker 6: it turns into a franchise altering move, but it's not
Speaker 6: like Deshaun Watson, where like totally alters the franchise with
Speaker 6: three first rounders going. And I just think, I think
Speaker 6: of all the Justin Field's potential destinations, I wanted to
Speaker 6: be the folk.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good way to get going here
Speaker 2: because I'm sure you're not the only one that has
Speaker 2: a fields trade, So why don't we, uh will talk
Speaker 2: about that one. And if anyone wants to add a
Speaker 2: fields mark, go ahead.
Speaker 4: What do you ask?
Speaker 3: Well, I was I was gonna say I did a
Speaker 3: couple Justin Field snails. But Falcons, It's like cool, it's
Speaker 3: the missing piece. It's what they were so frustrating if
Speaker 3: they were for years in a row. It's just like,
Speaker 3: put a quarterback here and we got a lot going on.
Speaker 3: And I had the same thing as you. I had
Speaker 3: fields though for a second. And on this show, we
Speaker 3: have our guys dudes that we you know, really just
Speaker 3: sort of have a bit of a fetish with earlier
Speaker 3: in their careers. They can't be stars, And like Tyler
Speaker 3: Lgier was my dude two years ago, and I kind
Speaker 3: of think it would help if they sent Tyler L.
Speaker 4: Geer in a second back to the Bears.
Speaker 3: It frees him up for a big career in Chicago
Speaker 3: and it gets it kind of unclogs the whole Bejon
Speaker 3: Robinson thing too. So I think the Falcons just seem
Speaker 3: to be using the wrong players at different times this
Speaker 3: season ago.
Speaker 5: So he's a weird trade evaluation because you're saying two seconds,
Speaker 5: so that would have to be I think it's the
Speaker 5: forty third pick of the draft, and then I guess
Speaker 5: next year's second. We're trying to be specific here. I
Speaker 5: mean you could even get NBA like and trade a
Speaker 5: twenty twenty six second once I think we get to
Speaker 5: the draft and make the second.
Speaker 6: The second second can maybe be a conditional third, like
Speaker 6: it can turn into a third or something like that.
Speaker 5: Sure, they do have an extra third round pick this
Speaker 5: year that if they wanted to do that. His contract
Speaker 5: makes him more tradeable, more valuable. He's getting paid nothing
Speaker 5: this year and then he's on a fifth year option
Speaker 5: next year, which for a starting quarterback is essentially nothing.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's gonna be like twenty million dollars, but
Speaker 5: that's a bargain if you actually are a team that's
Speaker 5: going to want to pay it. Whereas this year, I
Speaker 5: think you're literally paying him like five million bucks something
Speaker 5: crazy a base salary, one point six million, one point
Speaker 5: six million dollar broster bonus. You're paying him what like
Speaker 5: Sam Darnold made in San Francisco last year, what a
Speaker 5: like a backup is going to make, or less than
Speaker 5: a decent backup. That's why I think he might have
Speaker 5: a better market than people think. I'm not sending him
Speaker 5: to Atlanta, though, I think they're on a weird timeline
Speaker 5: because Terry Fontineau is like he's been around for a
Speaker 5: while their GM, but the coach is new. I think
Speaker 5: they they might rather just go with like a young
Speaker 5: play a franchise, you know, draft pick, which Arthur Blank
Speaker 5: seems to be all over. So that's why I'm sending
Speaker 5: him to the Raiders for the forty fourth pick. And
Speaker 5: the Bears did like getting a veteran back, so they're
Speaker 5: going to get back Tyree Wilson, who had one of
Speaker 5: the worst seasons out of a top ten pick that
Speaker 5: we've seen in a long time. Last year, but he
Speaker 5: was a top ten pick, so it's like, Okay, give
Speaker 5: us someone we can play with a little bit that
Speaker 5: has some talent. What was a year ago forty fourth
Speaker 5: pick overall and Tyree Wilson to the Raiders. I think
Speaker 5: they're the most likely team that would actually do this.
Speaker 1: But I think that that's a good one.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Pat.
Speaker 6: I love the idea, And if it's the Falcons, I
Speaker 6: love the idea of including al Jier because he's like
Speaker 6: a loaded gun laying around like he's gonna go off
Speaker 6: if he's on the roster, like they like coaches cannot
Speaker 6: quit him and like they let him being good be
Speaker 6: the enemy of Bijon being great, and he's just he's
Speaker 6: just got to get off the roster then.
Speaker 2: Use it's not fair to Algier to call him a
Speaker 2: progress stopper, to use a parcelsism, because he's actually a
Speaker 2: young talented player, but he is in terms of letting
Speaker 2: Bijon be the guy what he wants to be, and
Speaker 2: that's a two thousand yard rusher. You got to give
Speaker 2: him the ball, got to give him the rock. So
Speaker 2: I like all these are all places that make sense
Speaker 2: for fields. I also have a fields trade, but I
Speaker 2: have to tell you, in terms of BS detectors, there
Speaker 2: has been very few storylines that have popped up post
Speaker 2: Super Bowl in the last few years that smelled as
Speaker 2: funky as the Steelers saying they were good with their
Speaker 2: quarterback room. It actually brings to mind my first year
Speaker 2: and mark your first year at NFL Media when we
Speaker 2: were doing write ups with Mike Shanahan, not Kyle Mike
Speaker 2: Shanahan stating that he would stake his reputation on Rex
Speaker 2: Grossman and John Beck that quarterback room. That's how it
Speaker 2: feels in Pittsburgh right now. So I think about Mike Tomlin, like,
Speaker 2: what have they been missing since Ben got old? I mean,
Speaker 2: just a true two way threat quarterback who can make plays,
Speaker 2: who could avoid the rush. And I think fields to
Speaker 2: the Steelers makes a lot of sense. And I'm going
Speaker 2: to send the twenty twenty four second round pick fifty
Speaker 2: one overall, a twenty twenty four fourth round pick, and
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty five conditional third that becomes a second.
Speaker 2: It feels it's certain performance and durability escalators get it done.
Speaker 6: Do not?
Speaker 2: I smell the BS? So stop trying to stop trying
Speaker 2: to serve it Steelers.
Speaker 6: Not trying to dominate the talking but amazing stylistic bit
Speaker 6: in Pittsburgh. And you make it a great point with
Speaker 6: the Steelers. And like the BS detector and the quarterbacks,
Speaker 6: I loved al Raheem Morris in Atlanta was just like,
Speaker 6: you know, he didn't do that at all, Just like
Speaker 6: I literally wouldn't even be here the quarterback was in
Speaker 6: any way, I would still be in LA Like let's
Speaker 6: just be real too. And so there was some admirable honesty.
Speaker 5: With these guys that are that are actually still in
Speaker 5: a roster that the Steelers would have to go against
Speaker 5: what they've been for a long time.
Speaker 2: And there's some indications that it's time Greg, it's time
Speaker 2: maybe mix things up in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5: And there's some indication that they are and that they will.
Speaker 5: It is a different general manager Omar Khan, than Bit,
Speaker 5: than Kevin Colbert who was there for a couple of decades.
Speaker 5: But I don't know, three three picks might get it done.
Speaker 5: I think there's gonna be a bigger market. I think
Speaker 5: it might be something close to that sort of trade.
Speaker 5: Then people realize that the trick is like I almost
Speaker 5: know the Raiders would be in on this, but maybe
Speaker 5: the Falcons. There's actually not that many teams that are
Speaker 5: logical like destinations for for justin Fields, because most most
Speaker 5: of the most logical ones have picks in the top three.
Speaker 5: The Patriots, Commanders and Bears had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we just named three teams that make sense.
Speaker 2: The Giants are out there, They've been connected to Fields
Speaker 2: at least in time in terms of shatter.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's four right there. I mean that's I
Speaker 1: think he's going to have a market.
Speaker 2: And like you said, like the difference between him and
Speaker 2: say Sam Darnold when he the Panthers gave up a
Speaker 2: pretty good bounty, like Fields has actually shown something like
Speaker 2: he's shown he has a potential high level play in him.
Speaker 5: That in the contract is a real great sweet spot.
Speaker 5: That's almost perfect. It's not too long in the future,
Speaker 5: it's two years at a very low rate.
Speaker 4: Like that that helps.
Speaker 2: All right, let's move, We'll stick with the Raiders. I'll
Speaker 2: throw them out here. That another thing that I don't
Speaker 2: quite buy now, I do buy that with all of
Speaker 2: the bravado and excitement around the Raiders with Antonio Pierce,
Speaker 2: that they want to win now. And maybe you're right,
Speaker 2: Maybe they go and they hunt and get a quarterback
Speaker 2: that they could believe they could be a playoff team with.
Speaker 1: But I still the DeVante Adams thing. I'm still I'm
Speaker 1: not there.
Speaker 2: I'm not there believing that he is definitely on that
Speaker 2: team given his age and where they are as a team.
Speaker 2: And I've always thought that the Jets were going to
Speaker 2: make up big play for him. You know, Rogers wants
Speaker 2: to make a big play. You know, Rogers is calling
Speaker 2: the shots for the Jets at this point. So if
Speaker 2: the Jets picked up the phone and called up the Raiders,
Speaker 2: what would it take. So I'm saying, tell me if
Speaker 2: this is crazier, this kind of makes sense. The Raiders
Speaker 2: would give up their first round pick, the thirteenth overall pick.
Speaker 2: The Jets give them back their first round pick, which
Speaker 2: is a tenth overall pick, so the Raiders move into
Speaker 2: the top ten. The Jets also give him a second
Speaker 2: round pick in twenty twenty five, which, given the state
Speaker 2: of the Jets roster and the boomer bust nature, could
Speaker 2: be a pick in the low thirties potentially, you know,
Speaker 2: in the thirties. Would that be enough to get Adams
Speaker 2: and his big contract out of Vegas.
Speaker 3: No, I think so, I'm with you. I think the Raiders,
Speaker 3: especially under Josh McDaniel's Devanta Adams would have been history
Speaker 3: very quick. But new coaching staff, he likes the coach.
Speaker 3: I could see Pierce not wanting to move a player
Speaker 3: like that this offseason. But I just feel like if
Speaker 3: they get if someone calls, I think they'd be listening
Speaker 3: to this. I cooked up one, and maybe this is
Speaker 3: too high of a price for the Colts to give up.
Speaker 3: But I thought that the Colts, who are also in
Speaker 3: like let's surround our young quarterback with weapons now, would
Speaker 3: be willing to give for a DeVante Adams in his
Speaker 3: prime the fifteenth overall pick and what I love about
Speaker 3: it for the Raiders, that may be a little rich,
Speaker 3: But in this world, the Raiders, who need a lot
Speaker 3: of pieces could turn around and redo their wide out
Speaker 3: room and have more as well because they had have
Speaker 3: the thirteenth pick and the fifteenth pick. But maybe that's
Speaker 3: a little expensive for DeVante Adams. I don't think it
Speaker 3: would have been a year or two ago.
Speaker 6: I've got a non official DeVante Adams one. By the way,
Speaker 6: he was like it really was as good as gone
Speaker 6: as any player has ever been when it was josh
Speaker 6: Y Dan where he would basically go up to the
Speaker 6: Monday night football camera like right and sharpie like I
Speaker 6: want to be traded, and then that didn't happen. I
Speaker 6: think Pierce like loves him a little too much.
Speaker 1: My Antonio.
Speaker 6: I was in Vegas, Antonio Pierce walked by me and
Speaker 6: the lobby like his dog levels just like walking in
Speaker 6: a lobby were so off the charts. I feel like
Speaker 6: he's not going to trade a dog levels guy like
Speaker 6: Davante Adams. But this isn't one of my official three.
Speaker 6: I want DeVante Adams to the Bills. I think the
Speaker 6: first rounder is too rich for Demonte at this point,
Speaker 6: I think I'm going back to my gentleman's first rounder
Speaker 6: two two's from the all in Bills for Devontae. I
Speaker 6: don't know, he's two redundant to Stefan Diggs. Their salary
Speaker 6: cap situation is probably too messed up too. But Stefan
Speaker 6: and Demonte can both do everything on the football field.
Speaker 6: They're so all in that I really want devont Adams
Speaker 6: on the Bills instead of the Jets. Plus two story
Speaker 6: line up I'm playing Rogers twice.
Speaker 5: Put a pin in that I could see. You know,
Speaker 5: you bring in Adams and then you get rid of
Speaker 5: Digs or whatever. But I don't think that's too much.
Speaker 5: They sent a first in a second round pick for
Speaker 5: him just two years ago. I don't understand. I don't
Speaker 5: think there's much of a chance DeVante Adams get traded.
Speaker 5: Why would they trade one of their best players. They're
Speaker 5: also not going to get any real like cap releaf
Speaker 5: out of it. In the short term. They get like
Speaker 5: a very mind and they don't need cap relief. They
Speaker 5: need to be fill in that stadium and win some games.
Speaker 5: I guess I don't get why.
Speaker 2: The answer to that, too, Greg, is that, at least
Speaker 2: in how the league typically works, big ticket guy for
Speaker 2: a team that's kind of rebuilding, reloading, that was a
Speaker 2: different regime brought him in.
Speaker 1: There's always that chance.
Speaker 2: Now have we heard Adams on records say he definitely
Speaker 2: wants to stay with Las Vega, Because if I'm Adams,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I got how many big time.
Speaker 1: Years do I have left? One or two? And I
Speaker 1: don't know who my quarterback here is.
Speaker 2: Like, I just think there's as much as the raiders
Speaker 2: want to put it out there, and I think the
Speaker 2: GM said he's a Raider a couple of days ago,
Speaker 2: like they were really pushing that hard. But that is
Speaker 2: also that's leverage, and I think given there would be
Speaker 2: a market for him, and some teams like the Bills
Speaker 2: are a great example too. The Bills and Jets are
Speaker 2: both very desperate teams in different ways that maybe you
Speaker 2: can get that first rounder. Now mine was moving up
Speaker 2: in the first round and then a second. But you know,
Speaker 2: the trade famously that got Stefan Diggs to Buffalo was
Speaker 2: just Digs for a first and that worked out for everyone.
Speaker 2: The Vikings then got Justin Jefferson, so could Adams thirty
Speaker 2: two years old, which is kind of snuck up on me.
Speaker 2: That's part of it too, a little bit. I just
Speaker 2: think they can get even more cap relieve it. If
Speaker 2: they were going to trade them, they're going to trade
Speaker 2: him like during the season or see how everything goes
Speaker 2: in Wait. I do have a Dig trade though, while
Speaker 2: he's not up there, I'm sending Diggs and I think
Speaker 2: Diggs is eminently tradeable. I think this wide receiver market
Speaker 2: has not like finished expanding. People are teams are going
Speaker 2: to be ready to pay wide receivers as quarterbacks, whether
Speaker 2: it's contracts or in trade terms. And so even though
Speaker 2: Diggs is coming off a down year, he's young enough.
Speaker 2: I think he could get a first round pick back.
Speaker 5: I thought about the Browns, who there's some whispers they
Speaker 5: want to bring in a wide receiver Tony Pauline, that
Speaker 5: the Cowboys maybe.
Speaker 4: With the brother thing.
Speaker 5: But who's got an extra first round pick this year?
Speaker 5: It's the Arizona Cardinals with the twenty seventh pick overall.
Speaker 5: Just send him over to Stepan to Buffalo. For some reason,
Speaker 5: I think Stephan Diggs would be happy to be in
Speaker 5: Arizona where it's just chill, and he could just put
Speaker 5: up big numbers and who knows, maybe you draft you
Speaker 5: got you get a wide receiver in the draft. You
Speaker 5: got him, you got Wilson, you got Kyler Murray, let's fly.
Speaker 5: I think the Bills would do that too, Greg I
Speaker 5: had a duplicate exactly the same trade.
Speaker 1: That means it's happening. I hate the idea of a
Speaker 1: declining physically, but his ego higher and more powerful than ever.
Speaker 2: Stephan Diggs going to the Arizona Cardinals, that zoo and
Speaker 2: seeing how that turns out. While you know Kyler, you know,
Speaker 2: either freezes him out of the game plan or is
Speaker 2: forcing targets. I mean that that smells like a disaster.
Speaker 6: I think he would either embrace the retirement home aspect
Speaker 6: or he would just be, h, I'm going to retire.
Speaker 6: He immediately retire after they traded him.
Speaker 4: He's only thirty, Like he wasn't that.
Speaker 1: You know, he wasn't old last year he played old.
Speaker 4: Last year he did.
Speaker 5: He did finish with eleven hundred and eighty yards and
Speaker 5: one hundred and seven catches. I know it fell awf
Speaker 5: a lot, but you know, during the season, but it's
Speaker 5: not like he was a disaster. I just feel like
Speaker 5: both those teams would do that trade, and the Cardinals,
Speaker 5: you know, they can't. They have a surplus of picks
Speaker 5: that they're one of the teams that could actually give
Speaker 5: it up. Although that's the Texans pick, which we thought
Speaker 5: at the time was like going to be a top
Speaker 5: five pick. There was like a week in the season
Speaker 5: where we're like, ooh, the text the Cardinals could have
Speaker 5: the top two picks of the and it ended up
Speaker 5: being the twenty seventh because the Texans got into the
Speaker 5: divisional round.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you if you like, do the math on it.
Speaker 2: To get to eleven hundred yards if you play every week,
Speaker 2: is like sixty five yards a game. That's kind of
Speaker 2: what a ceiling was this year. And I just wonder,
Speaker 2: like if he is because people know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: say he's a diva or anything like that, but people know,
Speaker 2: you know he's he's a lot like and you got
Speaker 2: to make sure Stephan's in a good place. If a
Speaker 2: guy that's coming off a red flag season and you
Speaker 2: know he's a little bit of a handful potentially in
Speaker 2: the locker room, what kind of is his market as
Speaker 2: strong as maybe you might think it should be strong
Speaker 2: because he's been like a top ten receiver for the
Speaker 2: last five years, or at least before last year. I
Speaker 2: think he's an interesting one in terms of trying to
Speaker 2: figure out how much he could command. I'm sure Brandon
Speaker 2: Bean and McDermot are thinking the same thing.
Speaker 6: The amount of screaming between Kyler and Stefan Diggs would
Speaker 6: maybe set.
Speaker 4: It would be great.
Speaker 5: Though receivers are like yards. I don't know what the
Speaker 5: comparison is, but I think a t and I think
Speaker 5: this has happened with a lot of receivers, like they
Speaker 5: their expiration date with some of them, like happens in
Speaker 5: after about three years. But that first year is great,
Speaker 5: the second year is pretty good, and then it starts
Speaker 5: getting sour. So it's time you're gonna get one one
Speaker 5: nice year where he looks great.
Speaker 2: All right, before we go around the horn again, let's pause,
Speaker 2: take a break, and we'll be right back with roto
Speaker 2: Pat and fake trades.
Speaker 1: All right, Pat, give us another one.
Speaker 6: This isn't the hammer drop this one hammer drop. This
Speaker 6: one is like for pure functionality. This is like buying
Speaker 6: a couch. You got to get the couch in the house.
Speaker 7: You're not.
Speaker 6: It's not flashy, but it is quite comfortable. The Kansas
Speaker 6: City Chiefs h I originally said conditional fourth rounder. I
Speaker 6: think I could probably be a conditional fifth rounder to
Speaker 6: the New York Giants for Darius Slayton, who just, for
Speaker 6: some reason every year the Giants hate Darius Slayton even
Speaker 6: though all he ever does is get like seven hundred
Speaker 6: yards unlimited targets. Yeah, he's cleared seven hundred yards in
Speaker 6: four or five seasons, something MBS has never done. For
Speaker 6: the Chiefs. Just cut get a legitimate field stretcher who
Speaker 6: actually has like half a decade of proven production. He
Speaker 6: could be a great role player in this offense for
Speaker 6: the Chiefs. I think he's better than he's ever been
Speaker 6: allowed to be in New York, which maybe is not
Speaker 6: really a thing after five years.
Speaker 2: But Pat, Pat, everything you're saying right now is exactly
Speaker 2: how we would have explained the Cadarius Tony trade two years.
Speaker 5: Ago, except for like Darius Tony, he's actually produced, laying solid.
Speaker 5: But this is a perfunctory trade. It feels very like
Speaker 5: like a couple that's no longer really feeling the magic,
Speaker 5: but like, let's just knock it out.
Speaker 4: Every other week.
Speaker 5: He's done something and this is like this is like
Speaker 5: when when when Mark or actually I don't even remember
Speaker 5: it was Mark or west Or who was like where
Speaker 5: we have to drop like a big ticket like hammer
Speaker 5: drop of an item, And they talked about Geo Bernard's
Speaker 5: impact on the twenty twenty one bucks.
Speaker 6: But this isn't the hammer drop, of course, And this
Speaker 6: is part of a large charge. This is part of
Speaker 6: a larger Chiefs receiver corps of because this is also
Speaker 6: part of the Chiefs trading for Justin Jefferson of course,
Speaker 6: which I'm going to get into on the show, but
Speaker 6: they got to remake the receiver. The fact that they
Speaker 6: want back to back Super Bowls was like the definition
Speaker 6: of like league replacement receivers. They're not going to do
Speaker 6: it a third time. Famous last words, he's at a
Speaker 6: league worst quarterback play for half a decade, Man, Darius Slayton.
Speaker 6: Get hi about the real quarterback. Get the Chiefs the
Speaker 6: real field stretcher, and watch it, watch magic happen.
Speaker 3: I also think the Chiefs with that thirty second pick,
Speaker 3: it's in that close sort of gentlemen's terms where it's
Speaker 3: if it's not a Slaton, but you want to go
Speaker 3: try and swing for the fences on someone else, you
Speaker 3: can essentially offer a first round pick that to the
Speaker 3: Chiefs looks like a second round pick and maybe get
Speaker 3: out of there. Because I think I'm with you. I
Speaker 3: think it's gonna be multiple. It's gonna be has to
Speaker 3: be multiple pieces. But it can't just be a bunch
Speaker 3: of b minus ham and eggers like last season.
Speaker 5: This is this is a great wide receiver class. There's
Speaker 5: gonna be Look, you know, the top six could be
Speaker 5: all quarterbacks and receivers, which is crazy, But then the
Speaker 5: first round could be six or seven receivers, so there
Speaker 5: might be a spicy guy available.
Speaker 2: You know, I said that the Steelers offense to me
Speaker 2: feels like the girl in the closet and all summer
Speaker 2: in a day. I tip my cap to what the
Speaker 2: Chiefs were able to do. All apologies to the Union,
Speaker 2: and they're incredibly comprehensive survey, but I can't watch another
Speaker 2: season of Patrick Mahomes checking down for four quarters for the.
Speaker 1: I want my bomber back.
Speaker 2: I want the god of all gods airing it out
Speaker 2: to a talented group of wide receivers. So yeah, that's
Speaker 2: why I push back against Slayton because I agree. I
Speaker 2: think everyone agrees that Slayton seems there's something there to unlock,
Speaker 2: and maybe that's it if he's a piece of that pie.
Speaker 1: But I need a big time draft pick.
Speaker 2: I need a big time number one wide receiver to
Speaker 2: pair with Mahomes and let him fly again, because you know,
Speaker 2: Kelsey is also going to keep on getting more and
Speaker 2: more lumbering as he's getting older. They can't wait another
Speaker 2: year and we shouldn't be burning Patrick Mahomes twenties prime
Speaker 2: with him as a game general.
Speaker 1: We just can't do that. We shouldn't. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a shame, like what.
Speaker 6: He like needed to prove something to himself or what
Speaker 6: you proved it man, Like, we get it. You can
Speaker 6: win with literally anyone.
Speaker 5: Jesus coming from like the Fantasy Guy and then the
Speaker 5: guy who drafted Mahomes in Fantasy's true.
Speaker 1: I'm so mad that.
Speaker 5: They won the Super Bowl with him having like Alex
Speaker 5: Smith sub Alex Smith.
Speaker 2: That this checks both boxes though as a Fantasy Guy fan,
Speaker 2: sure that dreven but also just like watching Mahomes be Mahomes.
Speaker 2: It's almost like when Jordan at the end of his
Speaker 2: run when the NBA was in a much different place
Speaker 2: when he was like winning game. You're watching that Jordan
Speaker 2: documentary and they're showing the highlights and they have the
Speaker 2: big music and they have the single cam on Jordan
Speaker 2: talking like, oh, and he disrespected me, so I had
Speaker 2: to put him under the ground. And then he makes
Speaker 2: the big shot at the end in slow motion and
Speaker 2: then they put up the final score and it was
Speaker 2: like seventy two to sixty five Bulls win. Like it
Speaker 2: doesn't take away from Jordan's greatness. But you know, I want,
Speaker 2: you know, I want Mahomes to be nineteen eighty nine
Speaker 2: ninety Jordan when he's putting up thirty five a game
Speaker 2: and soaring through the aga.
Speaker 6: Jarisson in the league. You watched the Super Bowl and
Speaker 6: your mom is like, I was told Patrick Mahomes through
Speaker 6: the ball deep.
Speaker 5: I literally did get a text for my mom during
Speaker 5: the game that the game was kind of boring.
Speaker 4: It was like mid third quarter. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're not wrong, Mom, I mean I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: Deb Rosenthal is the conscience of the National Football League
Speaker 2: and people have to understand that.
Speaker 1: Greg throughout another one.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to stick with the Chiefs. But on
Speaker 5: the defensive side, we mentioned Lagerius Sneed. I think he's
Speaker 5: getting traded. You wouldn't put that out there unless you
Speaker 5: were expecting to a bit of a risk. But they
Speaker 5: did let Sarvarius Ward go for nothing basically, and that
Speaker 5: worked out fine for them. So who needs a cornerback.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of teams, but who's going to be
Speaker 5: willing to give up something The Detroit Lions, and I
Speaker 5: think the market for Sneed in a trade. The terms
Speaker 5: might not be that high because you have to make
Speaker 5: him one of the highest paid cornerbacks in the league,
Speaker 5: if not the highest, along with it. So that's going
Speaker 5: to temper the market. But I'm gonna say number seventy
Speaker 5: three this season and a twenty twenty five third gets
Speaker 5: it done. So that's just next season's third. I think
Speaker 5: we need to get more into trading future picks, like
Speaker 5: the NBA, like they'll spend three months of podcasts talking about, ooh,
Speaker 5: the Lakers twenty twenty nine first round pick is now available,
Speaker 5: like they can trade that. It's like the NFL team
Speaker 5: should get into that more time. It's time for the
Speaker 5: Lions to push forward.
Speaker 2: The old trades. They don't feel tangible at a certain point.
Speaker 2: It's like a trade ten years in advance. I like
Speaker 2: that the NFL, everything's a little more. Everything's within the
Speaker 2: three year window of reality.
Speaker 4: Okay, but at least okay, just send a future pick.
Speaker 5: So the Lions, they give up seventy three, they're already
Speaker 5: short of pick, I believe, and then yeah, I'm either
Speaker 5: a second or a third next year.
Speaker 3: I think it's a cunning move too, because if you
Speaker 3: trade picks down the road and things go awry, you
Speaker 3: get can It's the next general manager that has to
Speaker 3: deal with that.
Speaker 4: So that's exact savvy.
Speaker 2: And the Lions don't want to be the new Bills,
Speaker 2: which is the lovable losers that become the big time
Speaker 2: team that then can't get over the hump. So this
Speaker 2: is kind of a sneaky important year in terms of
Speaker 2: continuing the franchise progress. That's why I'm with you. They're
Speaker 2: gonna aggressively look to get better this offseason. When I
Speaker 2: was getting ready for this exercise, I was say, what
Speaker 2: are the playoff teams that lost?
Speaker 1: Like, what do they need?
Speaker 2: And the Lions jumped out to me, and everyone knows
Speaker 2: Aden Hutchinson is a big time player for them, give
Speaker 2: him a little help. So I'm going to go in
Speaker 2: the front seven. And there's two options, both from the
Speaker 2: same team, the Chargers. And there's two And what I
Speaker 2: like about it is that the Lions and really any
Speaker 2: team that is looking for help in this realm, they
Speaker 2: can either go big ticket or they can get a
Speaker 2: slightly discount item. So you have obviously Joey Bosa. I
Speaker 2: think he with his age, his track record, I know
Speaker 2: the injuries, but because of the position he plays a premium,
Speaker 2: proven pass Rusher. I think he's gonna cost a first
Speaker 2: round pick. So the Lions give up their twenty ninth
Speaker 2: pick for Joey Bosa, and all of a sudden, they
Speaker 2: have these dogs on the opposite ends of each other.
Speaker 2: And if they don't want to go that hard, if
Speaker 2: they want to keep that first round pick, Khalil Mack's there,
Speaker 2: and I think Khalil Mack I think second round pick
Speaker 2: sixty first overall seems fair for a guy man. He's
Speaker 2: a little older, but he's coming off like an eighteen
Speaker 2: Sax season. Would you give up a late second to
Speaker 2: get Max? So they have two paths to go there,
Speaker 2: depending on how rich they want to be.
Speaker 3: I really like this because the Chargers, I think, if
Speaker 3: there's a time to part with Bosa. This came into
Speaker 3: my mind too that post Brandon Staley, different situation, new vibe,
Speaker 3: and you know, they're twenty five million in the red
Speaker 3: right now. They've got a lot of changes they've got
Speaker 3: to make. They have the most expensive defense for a
Speaker 3: number of years under Staley, and they were disasters. So
Speaker 3: it's like you can move and it is a player
Speaker 3: that I think has missed so much time that the
Speaker 3: Lions are taking a risk there, but it's time for
Speaker 3: the Chargers to think about a new a fresh, new start.
Speaker 5: I think so Bosa was at a pistachio eating competition
Speaker 5: in my home town of Santa Monica last week.
Speaker 4: I learned this information. I don't know why, some sort
Speaker 4: of spot how.
Speaker 1: Much money could it be possibly making off that that
Speaker 1: it was worth going right.
Speaker 5: I don't think he was in the competition, but it
Speaker 5: was some some sponsor event and he was eating. So
Speaker 5: they asked him about Jim Harbaugh and he said he
Speaker 5: loves the sound of it. It's like, I don't know
Speaker 5: if he's going to be on that team. I'm with you, Dan,
Speaker 5: I think he gets dealt. I think the Chargers would
Speaker 5: throw a parade if they could get a first round
Speaker 5: pick for him, and they might cut him. I'm with you,
Speaker 5: they should explore a possible trade, and I think they'd
Speaker 5: take what they can get, whether whether it's a first,
Speaker 5: a second, and whatever it is. He just hasn't been
Speaker 5: able to stay on the field. When he's on the field,
Speaker 5: he's freaking awesome. So he makes sense for a team
Speaker 5: like the Lions that would like just take a big swing.
Speaker 5: But he's a huge He also would be huge risk,
Speaker 5: and the pistachio things a bit of a red flag too.
Speaker 4: I do like pistachios, by the way, good how much
Speaker 4: are you eating?
Speaker 7: Though?
Speaker 4: In a pistachio eating I'll find out more information.
Speaker 5: This came across my my like Santa Monica count that
Speaker 5: I follow, and I was like, what is happening here,
Speaker 5: Joey Bosa?
Speaker 4: Is that third Street or something? To eating pistachios? All right?
Speaker 1: Mark, do you have one more before we go to
Speaker 1: the hammer drop?
Speaker 3: I do, And I'm going to use a rotot word
Speaker 3: wish casting. This is probably more something I would like
Speaker 3: to see happen, and it's very unlikely. But I do
Speaker 3: see a team, two teams with quarterbacks that I think
Speaker 3: behind closed doors they're like, what are we doing with
Speaker 3: this guy? And like this guy's overpaid and not producing.
Speaker 3: I see two quarterbacks like that, So I think you
Speaker 3: flip the script here and just hear me out, Like
Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns take to Shaun Watson and they look
Speaker 3: back on this season and say, you know what, this
Speaker 3: is not probably going to get a lot better, and
Speaker 3: we can either be an organization. Andrew Berry is a
Speaker 3: forward thinking general manager that like we can sit in
Speaker 3: our mistake if that's how we feel about it, or
Speaker 3: we can we can move on. And I think that
Speaker 3: the New York Giants feel the same way about Daniel
Speaker 3: Jones and his absurd contract, and so the Browns and
Speaker 3: Giants flip quarterbacks. But I think in that world that
Speaker 3: the Deshaun Watson return to the NFL was about as
Speaker 3: toxic as it could be off the field, obviously, but
Speaker 3: to him to go to another team after the Browns,
Speaker 3: I think it's more palatable probably for the Giants to
Speaker 3: take that experience at this point. And I think if
Speaker 3: you're Brian Daball, you can look at de Shaun Watson
Speaker 3: and say there's a lot we can do there. And
Speaker 3: if you're the Cleveland Browns, you're back in the world
Speaker 3: of reorganize, reorganized in a quarterback. But Daniel Jones could
Speaker 3: get you through a season or two.
Speaker 4: WHOA wait, Can I just say that this is wild?
Speaker 4: This is I mean, this is impossible.
Speaker 2: Although it's fun because an audience like the Browns detached
Speaker 2: from that quarterback is great. Nobody wants that guy, Nobody
Speaker 2: wants the guaranteed he connected to him at this point,
Speaker 2: and certainly a Tiffany franchise, like the New York Giants
Speaker 2: with the Maras and the Rooneys, they would never ever
Speaker 2: take on Watson. So I think it stops because of
Speaker 2: the baggage. Forget about any of the other stuff. In
Speaker 2: my opinion, I don't think that the Giants even pick
Speaker 2: up the phone, right.
Speaker 5: I get it that that the Jones is a distressed asset,
Speaker 5: so he's like a negative asset too, But no one
Speaker 5: would give up. I don't think you know a condition
Speaker 5: no one would take Deshaun Watson on their team.
Speaker 4: I don't think right now.
Speaker 3: The other third, do you think there's back of possibility
Speaker 3: that the inside the Browns building, they're like, it would
Speaker 3: be nice to move on from this.
Speaker 5: Point of course, Yes, I think the Browns would do
Speaker 5: this in a second, I'm with you, But I don't
Speaker 5: think any other team would.
Speaker 1: Do Why don't you reach this is a there and
Speaker 1: people forget about this because and the Browns they deserve it.
Speaker 4: They got buried.
Speaker 2: But there were a lot of other teams that wanted
Speaker 2: Watson too, and they were reported out there. You could
Speaker 2: look it up, go call check in on some of
Speaker 2: those teams. Yeah, I do have an important update before
Speaker 2: the hammer drop.
Speaker 5: Joey Bosa finished seventh out of eight competitors in a
Speaker 5: pistachio wonderful pistachio, get crack and eat in competition, the
Speaker 5: world champion, some guy named Webb, destroyed him with two
Speaker 5: twenty one. Joey chestnutt was there tied for fifth. Bosa
Speaker 5: finished one hundred and fifty two pistachios. He did beat
Speaker 5: one other person in the competition.
Speaker 2: Someone that read actual, Yeah, someone's an actual competitive eater,
Speaker 2: and they couldn't beat the athlete that.
Speaker 7: Was just.
Speaker 6: Ed Rusher. You should be able to get off the bus.
Speaker 5: And they build it as Joey versus Joey Bosa versus
Speaker 5: Chestnut and there appears to be about, you know seventeen
Speaker 5: people in you know hoodies watching this thing.
Speaker 1: That it does make me finish.
Speaker 2: Finishing seventh out of eight makes me think that, yeah,
Speaker 2: he doesn't have that dog in him.
Speaker 4: I'm dropping that too.
Speaker 2: That's a third round pick now going from Detroit. All right,
Speaker 2: it's time now to do what we must, which is
Speaker 2: clear the deck because Patrick Dherty roto Pat is about
Speaker 2: to share a hammer drup, a panty dropper, and everything
Speaker 2: that could drop is dropping here we go.
Speaker 6: I think it ties together everything we've been talking about
Speaker 6: so far. So listen, Deshaun Watson, he got three first
Speaker 6: round picks, right, RG three got three first round picks
Speaker 6: sight unseen. In twenty twelve, Washington traded three first round
Speaker 6: picks for the.
Speaker 1: Right but Rex Grossman and John Beck. Mike Shannon was
Speaker 1: ready to stake his reputation upon them.
Speaker 6: So three first round picks has kind of been the
Speaker 6: going rate for like the stunning quarterback trade and acquisition.
Speaker 6: It needs to be up to four first round picks.
Speaker 6: It's like someone's going to always break new ground in
Speaker 6: this territory. Kind of ties into Greg too, Like who
Speaker 6: cares about future first round? Just keep trading them, doesn't Matt.
Speaker 6: No one cares what the Brooklyn nets twenty twenty eight
Speaker 6: first round pick. Just get him out there. It's four
Speaker 6: first round picks for an elite quarterback. The Commanders, I mean,
Speaker 6: the owner of the new guy. He tried to lay
Speaker 6: low for a year. He's like it's a new day
Speaker 6: in Washington, and like January first rolled around was like okay,
Speaker 6: never mind. Like he's sitting in on meetings at the combine.
Speaker 6: You know, he's like starting feuds with other assistant coaches
Speaker 6: in the league, like you know, like he spent his
Speaker 6: whole off season like leaking anti Ben Johnson dirt. He's
Speaker 6: he's ready to like ascend to the throne of like
Speaker 6: the crazy new owner. I think it was Dan said
Speaker 6: the Los Angeles Chargers. They need they need a fresh
Speaker 6: new start. Jim Harbaugh all he wants. He doesn't care
Speaker 6: about passing the ball. He's not gonna pass. He doesn't want,
Speaker 6: he doesn't need to pass. Alex Smith, Colin Capitol gets
Speaker 6: the NFC Championship game every year. Trade Justin Herbert to
Speaker 6: the Washington Commanders for four first round picks. Blow up
Speaker 6: and restart two organizations, a new remake, a bold new NFL.
Speaker 6: It's a new era. The going rate is now four
Speaker 6: first round picks. Everyone's happy and we get our We
Speaker 6: get something to write about for months and months and months.
Speaker 5: I love it, including the number two overall pick. I'm
Speaker 5: assuming it's one.
Speaker 6: Of those Yeah, sure, who cares?
Speaker 4: I mean the steep price, that is a steep price.
Speaker 4: I think the Chargers would have to think about it.
Speaker 6: They would have to think about it. Give him something
Speaker 6: to think about. Josh Harris, that's his name, right.
Speaker 4: Josh, Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: Give him something to think about, you know, you they
Speaker 2: George Bluth, un arrested Development once taught us that you
Speaker 2: never promised crazy a baby. I would say when it
Speaker 2: comes to the NFL, you know, always pick up the
Speaker 2: phone with crazy when it comes to trades. And I
Speaker 2: think Jim Harbaugh, he's just crazy enough to do it.
Speaker 2: I think Jim he's You're already hearing some stories behind
Speaker 2: the scenes. Jim is a wild man. Jim's gonna build
Speaker 2: this organization in his likeness.
Speaker 4: Justin's not his guy.
Speaker 2: Maybe he doesn't love him like the media loves him.
Speaker 2: Maybe he thinks he's got a bit of a ceiling
Speaker 2: on him. I don't think that's his. It's a hammer drop.
Speaker 2: But I don't think it's insane that Harbor.
Speaker 4: Trade to and take JJ McCarthy, you.
Speaker 2: Know, like my guy, my, You know, I could see
Speaker 2: Harbaugh doing something a mega splash, and that that would
Speaker 2: be a mega splash, spicy and.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean Justin Herbert yea, the stat guy. We
Speaker 6: all love him. We love the empty stats, except when
Speaker 6: they didn't even come with any touchdowns in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 6: So didn't love him that much last year, but he
Speaker 6: can take his empty volume somewhere else. Jim Harbaugh gets
Speaker 6: his character building rushing attack and yeah, everyone careful with that.
Speaker 2: With that, Justin Herbert slander the wrong media member could
Speaker 2: hear you and cut you ear to ear?
Speaker 6: I draft him literally every year.
Speaker 1: I love him, But so I take your empty stats elsewhere.
Speaker 6: Well, it was a part of the I love the
Speaker 6: empty stats. He's not going to have him anymore in LA.
Speaker 6: I'm sure he'll have him for days in Washington for
Speaker 6: days and days. So that's why we need this to happen. Actually,
Speaker 6: it is the fantasy community.
Speaker 1: Greg, your thoughts on that before we say goodbye to Patrick.
Speaker 4: I don't like it. I think Jim har I believe
Speaker 4: in love. I believe Jim Harbaugh loves this man.
Speaker 5: Justin Herbert, I do think if they offered the number
Speaker 5: two overall pick and multiple more first round picks, I
Speaker 5: think they would take it.
Speaker 4: The charge.
Speaker 5: As crazy as that as that seems, Jim Harbaugh would
Speaker 5: believe that he could just turn that pick into gold
Speaker 5: and rebuild the whole ship.
Speaker 4: And it's cheaper, and it's not it's not that crazy.
Speaker 3: You know, the other thing is it's not gonna it's
Speaker 3: not a fan base here in La where you're gonna
Speaker 3: get a ton of negative reaction to it. There might
Speaker 3: be no reaction. Literally struggling to have any imprint in
Speaker 3: the city. And like if you if you traded like
Speaker 3: Justin Herbert away from like the Dallas Cowboys, people are
Speaker 3: gonna go freaking nuts.
Speaker 4: I think charges it's like off the radar.
Speaker 3: It could be done without too much, too much cantankerous
Speaker 3: nature to it.
Speaker 2: Patrick, you've said it all. You never promised crazy a baby,
Speaker 2: but I would. I would promise you a baby.
Speaker 6: Let's be real. Many you got we have four folks.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's a But you're in Saint Louis. It's a
Speaker 4: little bit of a different vibe there.
Speaker 6: It cost the livings lower to it's a strong Irish
Speaker 6: Catholic German town. The long lineage. We actually have a
Speaker 6: small family by German Missouri standards like well four when
Speaker 6: you're getting started for real.
Speaker 2: Pat probably lives in a home that is bigger than
Speaker 2: our homes combined. When you get that Missouri.
Speaker 6: Bump, there's a Missouri bump. I can't confirm there's a
Speaker 6: Missouri bump.
Speaker 1: Should we take our podcast and relocate to Missouri.
Speaker 4: I feel like that would yeah, an energy tax break.
Speaker 6: We'll give you a tax break on Lincoln her there.
Speaker 4: You know, it really adds up.
Speaker 1: What about your wife? What would she do to you?
Speaker 2: I mean your your wife, Greg has been vengeful about
Speaker 2: certain elements of the move from New York to LA.
Speaker 2: If you took her to Middle America, then what happens?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think she just goes to Tokyo.
Speaker 6: You're equidistant to both coasts here in Saint Louis, guys,
Speaker 6: actually a little closer to the East coast.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Honey atn is moving to Missouri. Honey, I'm
Speaker 1: moving to Japan.
Speaker 2: You had a good run, all right, good stuff, Pat,
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, And you could check out Rhoda
Speaker 2: Pat's at work over at road a World or NBC
Speaker 2: Sports and uh, I know you have a comprehensive banger
Speaker 2: you put out a couple weeks ago going over each
Speaker 2: team season, and I'm sure there's more to come in
Speaker 2: the near future.
Speaker 1: So thank you, buddy, there is Thank you very much.
Speaker 6: I've committed I believe the ultimate industry fauxpa where I'm
Speaker 6: late for my own podcasts.
Speaker 5: Right, people should check out the Road to World Football
Speaker 5: Show because we've made him late for it today, so
Speaker 5: please check them in.
Speaker 1: You could bang us for that go ahead, how much.
Speaker 6: I would not miss the show, even for my own show,
Speaker 6: so thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 1: Or you could trash us in the open of that one,
Speaker 1: and then we could do a little fugeizy podcast war
Speaker 1: and then everybody went to the Patrick's.
Speaker 6: That's true, it's dark.
Speaker 4: Thank you there he goes roto Pat. Yes, one of
Speaker 4: our favorites.
Speaker 2: Alright, man, that Herbert thing really does get me thinking,
Speaker 2: I know it's absurd, blah blah blah, but Harbaugh really is.
Speaker 2: I mean people that don't know, people don't realize that
Speaker 2: that's a different cat. And the Chargers are not a
Speaker 2: team that's overly comfortable with paying massive bucks for anybody.
Speaker 2: So if they had an opportunity where the coach got
Speaker 2: what he wanted, which is complete control of building the
Speaker 2: roster in his own vision, and all of a sudden
Speaker 2: there was a plenty of money freed up, well I could.
Speaker 1: That would be fun.
Speaker 3: I think Herbert is intention Also, it's like it's the
Speaker 3: closest kind of closest thing you get to the shocking
Speaker 3: nature of the herschel Walker trade, but the smarter team
Speaker 3: completely rebuild from scratch there and one multiple supergows.
Speaker 5: It would be fun, but I think great Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 5: talks about Justin Herbert, He's like ready to build a
Speaker 5: statue of Justin Herbert. I think he's everything that Justin
Speaker 5: Herbert's everything Jim Harb's ever wanted out of a quarterback.
Speaker 5: He's been like searching for this quarterback forever, and just
Speaker 5: he is so confident that he's like, we need nothing
Speaker 5: more than a stud like this in me, and we're
Speaker 5: gonna freaking roll.
Speaker 1: I kind of, I think ultimately, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 2: I think the hardest thing to do is to locate
Speaker 2: a high end quarterback, and he's got one that's like
Speaker 2: twenty five years old, so maybe you don't want to
Speaker 2: overthink things.
Speaker 5: Ultimately, I think we'll get some fun trades, though, some
Speaker 5: that we haven't even thought of, because you know, if
Speaker 5: they were that big of a surprise, we wouldn't be
Speaker 5: able to think of him. But it feels like there's
Speaker 5: a lot of cap space out there, and so we
Speaker 5: actually will get some fun trades.
Speaker 4: I think of the next two weeks, all right, So
Speaker 4: there you go. That's it for another show. We will
Speaker 4: be back on Monday.
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna go back to three weeks starting
Speaker 2: next week, so we're as free agency gets closer, we're
Speaker 2: gonna really be digging in. And also, like we said,
Speaker 2: the combine will be wrapping up by the time you
Speaker 2: hear from us again, so we'll be welcoming him on
Speaker 2: some draft guests and looking at how teams will improve
Speaker 2: on that end. So, yes, it is the beginning of
Speaker 2: a new journey twenty twenty four and we're here, Mark,
Speaker 2: Do you have anything you want to add before we
Speaker 2: say goodbye?
Speaker 3: I think I just felt an earthquake in my apartment
Speaker 3: really yeah, or it was I don't know worse or
Speaker 3: or like amer contractually into the side of the apartment,
Speaker 3: but like it was, there was a major jolt right there.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to be out that post haste. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's it all right until until Monday. Thanks for listening,
Speaker 2: and uh, you know what you gotta do?
Speaker 4: Heat the car.