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Speaker 1: They Around the NFL podcast, great additional crew work.

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Speaker 2: Gregg, Welcome to another edition of Around the NFL. He

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Speaker 2: is he's working his way up the ranks and people

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Speaker 2: are noticing he's turning heads.

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Speaker 1: But is there a glass ceiling?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been marginally impressive by Greg his second career of.

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Speaker 2: His Dan Hands is here with you heard Mark Sessler

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Speaker 2: and yes, Greg Rosenthal. That's in reference, of course, to

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Speaker 2: the Flashpoint Focus series, which you know, here's the thing

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Speaker 2: about the Flashpoint Focus series. You don't just pencil on

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Speaker 2: an episode date where it's like this is the next episode.

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Speaker 2: It's when it when it kind of comes into focus.

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Speaker 4: Huh.

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Speaker 2: And I just have a feeling there's something, there's something

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Speaker 2: in the air that there could be one coming up soon.

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Speaker 2: That's that's all. That's all I can say. Does anybody

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Speaker 2: else have that feeling?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 5: Is this a flashpoint Focus? About a flashpoint Focus?

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Speaker 1: Sounds about right? How's everybody doing?

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Speaker 2: I great job holding it down with the great Patrick

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Speaker 2: Claibhon On Tuesday, is the combine kicked off? I spent

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Speaker 2: some good time with my parents who are visiting in town,

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Speaker 2: and now I am locked in as well. The underwear

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Speaker 2: Olympics roll on or getting going in Indianapolis, and we'll

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Speaker 2: continue to comb the desert there and find some news

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Speaker 2: coming out of Indy and the Lucas Oil Stadium. But

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Speaker 2: we're also going to dig into some free agency and

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Speaker 2: team transaction talk, Reggie. In fact, we're going to try

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Speaker 2: to put together some realistic trades a little bit later

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Speaker 2: with the great roto Pat Pat Dherty.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to my time of year. Well.

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Speaker 5: As we finished taping this, the on field drills kind

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Speaker 5: of start at the combine and we'll wrap all those

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Speaker 5: up on Monday and time about them next week. But

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Speaker 5: it's almost like I enjoy this part. It's good, good

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Speaker 5: to learn about all the prospects. It's like, get it

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts about.

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Speaker 3: I was just reflecting back on the flashpoint focus updatedly

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Speaker 3: provided and I am with you that it feels inevitable

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Speaker 3: that there's some sort of tipping point coming, but it

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Speaker 3: is mysterious at this point. I can I just can

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Speaker 3: sense it like an Ariage original in the skies coming

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Speaker 2: And there it is a fun it's kind of a

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Speaker 2: funky time of the NFL calendar, I find because you

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Speaker 2: do have this big event, this ten pole event of

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Speaker 2: the Combine, and you have all the or many or

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Speaker 2: most of the gms and coaches there and they're talking.

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Speaker 2: So it makes you feel like this is a very

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Speaker 2: you know, big time of year news wise, but you

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Speaker 2: know it's still there as you guys definitely handled on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of food ezy stuff out there right now.

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Speaker 2: The real meat and potatoes of the news is coming

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Speaker 2: up as the free agency kicks off in ernest I

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Speaker 2: get you up to date on everything that's going on.

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Speaker 2: And do you want to start where we usually start,

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Speaker 2: which is the latest news.

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Speaker 4: Please let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Playing press on the outside, the homes will throw it

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Speaker 6: He's launching one long.

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Speaker 7: Mark quest for the scanty catches the call at the

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Speaker 2: There's the call of course, some Mitch Holtis and the

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Speaker 4: So the Chiefs have a lot of work to do well.

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Speaker 5: I think they're going to spend money and or draft

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Speaker 4: And yet I'm not.

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Speaker 5: Sure if they win back to back Super Bowls without

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Speaker 5: He MBS had a monster AFC championship game a year ago,

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Speaker 5: So if you're a Chiefs fan, it's like, okay, that

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Speaker 5: kind of was a waste of money, but we wouldn't

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Speaker 4: I still a little.

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Speaker 5: Salty about that, but uh, you know, they did get

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Speaker 3: I mean, Dan, you're right to call him a he

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Speaker 1: And I'm with you that.

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Speaker 3: I think when you think about a team that would

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Speaker 2: To me, they're just so interesting because I said this

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Speaker 2: Or they could dig in around Jones and Snead and

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Speaker 2: And it's a scary thought for the rest of the

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Speaker 4: I think that's how they'll spend their money.

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Speaker 1: He'll have a great market.

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Speaker 2: He is a decorated cover corner, a versatile guy, just

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Speaker 4: So the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: I think the Chiefs are set up potentially for a

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Speaker 2: monster offseason. We'll see what happens. In other news, the

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Speaker 2: the Bengals have quote no plans to trade T Higgins.

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Speaker 3: This felt like a completely necessary move, and we touched

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Speaker 3: that's just not gonna happen. I just cannot imagine a

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Speaker 3: It's like this is your window, Like, just don't don't

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Speaker 4: That's how you get back to the d AFC title game.

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Speaker 5: It's it's I don't know if it's bold and I

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Speaker 5: And I don't hate that they're not going to do it.

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Speaker 5: You only have so many years where you're gonna have

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Speaker 2: Around in other news. You know what, I get it.

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Speaker 4: But that might be about it for his career.

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Speaker 2: And this is going to sound like, you know, sour

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Speaker 2: But congratulations on that suit bowl and all the glory

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Also, Zach Wilson has been given permission to seek

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Speaker 4: Good luck.

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Speaker 5: I actually have seven different Zach Wilson trade proposals coming

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Speaker 3: I actually do have a Zach Wilson one. It's one

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Speaker 2: Did you do the thing where it's like you're saying

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Speaker 5: Know, former Patriot great John new Smith. Look, he was

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Speaker 5: Get the the ultimate like the week where he goes

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Speaker 4: An amazing way, an amazing play.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think like you.

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Speaker 3: The special thing about radio is that most of your memories, obviously,

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Speaker 4: It just creates this texture.

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Speaker 3: His his name, his voice has been in our lives

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Speaker 4: He's a man.

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Speaker 5: It actually was making me think like they might be

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Speaker 4: Like columnists.

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Speaker 5: Everyone turns on columnists if they ever like them to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, even podcasts. You stick along around long enough, people

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Speaker 4: Long's gonna be that guy.

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Speaker 5: Someday people are gonna listened to that that Collie made

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Speaker 4: But the good thing the podcasts is just like stop listening,

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Speaker 2: If I write a podcast memoir in a few years,

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Speaker 5: At this point, we're texting the Gil Santos call of

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Speaker 5: Adam Vinteri winning the first Super Bowl with him, which

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Speaker 5: he absolutely nailed, just the way the octaves in his

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Speaker 5: voice goes up like sticks with me forever and gives

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Speaker 5: me chills. I only played it because Walker wanted to

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Speaker 5: listen to it, and he absolutely nailed that call. And

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Speaker 5: like Gil Santos, rest in peace will be a legend

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Speaker 5: forever in New England for that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Walker was told, if you want my love and

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Speaker 2: a new baseball bat for the season, you will listen

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Speaker 2: to this call.

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Speaker 4: No, he asked about it. He asked about it.

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Speaker 5: He's like, Daddy, tell me when they weren't embarrassing f

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Speaker 5: minuses on the NFLPA report or whatever.

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Speaker 1: That's right, let's talk about that in a second.

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Speaker 2: But I know you guys mentioned Peter King, but Peter

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Speaker 2: King retiring after you know, decades and decades is the

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Speaker 2: you know, kind of the voice of the league as

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Speaker 2: a columnist.

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Speaker 1: Hill Grove moving on, it's you.

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Speaker 2: Know, we've been doing this long enough now where you know,

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Speaker 2: we've been covering the football for it feels like a

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Speaker 2: mini generation of the league's history and now everything changes,

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Speaker 2: you know what, somebody's gonna come for us one day too,

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Speaker 2: So let's just enjoy it while we have it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they did put out the grades.

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Speaker 2: That's one more item the n f L P A

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Speaker 2: kind of like this move and by the way what

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Speaker 2: I was saying at the top of the show. This

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Speaker 2: is a perfect example the the machine wants you to

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Speaker 2: think this is a massive week or two on the

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Speaker 2: calendar right now, but like in reality, it's a lot

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Speaker 2: of flotsam and jetsam. So that's when the Union says,

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Speaker 2: this is where we'll drop in our grades of coaches,

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Speaker 2: facilities and the survey of their players. And three head

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Speaker 2: coaches got A plus grades when the when their players

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Speaker 2: were surveyed. Andy Reid, well you knew it would be read.

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Speaker 2: Can you guess who the other tour if you didn't see.

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Speaker 4: This, I did a plus. I think I handle a plus.

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Speaker 2: Uh, Kevin O'Connell and Dan Campbell the only three coaches

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Speaker 2: that get an A plus.

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Speaker 1: Now Reid might have gotten an A plus.

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Speaker 2: However, the Chiefs, and this is the case I believe

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Speaker 2: last year as well, didn't fare so well in other voting.

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Speaker 2: Their facilities were I think at the bottom of the

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Speaker 2: list and GM Brett Veach did not get graded well

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Speaker 2: at all either, which you know they're back to back champion.

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Speaker 2: So take that with a grain of salt, or see

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Speaker 2: it as a la ravio magnifico of the entire experience

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Speaker 2: anything else that kind of jumped out from the union

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Speaker 2: list here well, that.

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Speaker 3: The timing of the vote mattered, because they pointed out

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Speaker 3: that Nick Sirianni received an A.

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Speaker 4: But these holes.

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Speaker 3: Were done in November before they went off at the

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Speaker 3: side of a cliff, So I wonder what even a

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Speaker 3: six week difference would have made for some of these marks.

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Speaker 5: I think it was mostly about like communication and following

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Speaker 5: through on your word. So the veach thing, maybe he

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Speaker 5: doesn't have a great like interpersonal skills. But the ownership stuff,

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Speaker 5: Clark Hunt going thirty first out of thirty two owners

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Speaker 5: because they feel like he's been selling them a bill

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Speaker 5: of goods about their cheap facility, which kind of is

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Speaker 5: fairly well known as one of the most rundown old facilities,

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Speaker 5: and that basically he's repeated promised to fix it and

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Speaker 5: then they were like, ah, you guys keep going on

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Speaker 5: these long playoff runs. We didn't have time to fix it.

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Speaker 5: It is a little interesting. It hasn't worked like they

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Speaker 5: they banged into what.

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Speaker 1: It actually says, Gregor you just protect might say, what

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Speaker 1: until your playoff run was too long? We didn't have

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Speaker 1: time this year.

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Speaker 5: No, that was they That was like one of the

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Speaker 5: things that apparently he said he said to them after

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Speaker 5: last season or something. It did work though, Like remember

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Speaker 5: last year that like the floors who were on even

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Speaker 5: in Arizona or Cincinnati, and a bunch of stuff were too,

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Speaker 5: Like those teams were so embarrassed. And Tampa was another

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Speaker 5: one that they did kind of like fix this relatively

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Speaker 5: small scale stuff like the Cardinals, Uh no longer, you know,

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Speaker 5: charge money.

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Speaker 4: For people to eat there. So I would like this.

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Speaker 5: If we had this at our work, we could we

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Speaker 5: could have little you know, you know, try to improve

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Speaker 5: what you can improve. I bet they're going to fix

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Speaker 5: those facilities in Kansas City. I bet he doesn't like it.

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Speaker 5: On ESPN, this is like a lead story that Clark

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Speaker 5: Hunt's one of the worst owners in sports.

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Speaker 3: Well he calls a total firestorm for the Cardinals a

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Speaker 3: year ago. You're right, And like the one that I

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Speaker 3: kept seeing people going nuts about was that the Chargers

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Speaker 3: and we and I I think it's you get the

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Speaker 3: feeling that the Chargers cut some corners here and there

534
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Speaker 3: in general, but they charged their players for game day

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Speaker 3: daycare for their children. It's seventy five dollars for the

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Speaker 3: first child. And fifty for each additional child. Now, look

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Speaker 3: at I don't I don't know what the other teams

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Speaker 3: are doing on that front, but this like became a

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Speaker 3: fiery talking point on Twitter yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bucks like as another example and why this

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Speaker 2: is a really smart idea by the union even if

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Speaker 2: it probably ruffles some feathers in terms of relationship between

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Speaker 2: the two sides. The Bucks felt compelled to release an

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Speaker 2: organizational statement after they got slammed for having an unclean

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Speaker 2: and smelly locker.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 5: It's like, what if we were just like, can we

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Speaker 5: get those we get some red apples in the in

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Speaker 5: the little.

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Speaker 4: Jar outside of mess because they're flavorless.

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Speaker 1: The green ones, I like the tank green.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, for people, younger people out there

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Speaker 2: when they have those town halls for your job and like,

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Speaker 2: you know, one of the people on the show needs

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Speaker 2: to kind of ball inline on this too. Don't fall

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Speaker 2: into the trap of thinking you can speak your mind

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Speaker 2: because certain members of management will use it against you

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Speaker 2: if you try to embarrass them.

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Speaker 5: You know, we've seen we've seen multiple and I know

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Speaker 5: you're talking about me, and I take that note.

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Speaker 4: I accept it.

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Speaker 1: We have see shadowy, leak, figure trap move, never stand up.

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Speaker 5: We've seen multiple former NFL employees contribute to their status

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Speaker 5: as former NFL media employees by stepping up in those

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Speaker 5: big spots.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, Mark, I have learned to say nothing

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Speaker 3: except in then I do say something and then I

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Speaker 3: wish I didn't.

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Speaker 4: That's how it typically works. Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: And that's uh what's happening in the news. Let's take

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Speaker 2: a break, and when we get back, we will welcome

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Speaker 2: in the great Rhodopat Welcome back. Our next guest is

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Speaker 2: a favorite, a personal favorite. Mark loves him. Greg hot

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Speaker 2: and cold. He is one of the great NFL writers.

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Speaker 4: He'll be a break the sports. He is a Jeff

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Speaker 4: Fisher scholar.

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Speaker 2: And if you have any questions about Joe Flacco talking

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Speaker 2: Roger Federer's poise, you know where to go roto Pat

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Speaker 2: Patrick Dharty.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to around the NFL.

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Speaker 6: Pointing out all my truly terrible Twitter memes that I

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Speaker 6: keep on my account for like seven years at a

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Speaker 6: time should probably change my Joe clock o'broncos heater, especially

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Speaker 6: since he's good again. He's the comeback player of the year.

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Speaker 6: He's so good that everyone pointed out it was better

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Speaker 6: than literally coming back to life.

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Speaker 4: Does anyone remember Joe flaccol on the Broncos at this point?

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Speaker 4: I certainly don't.

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Speaker 6: Roger Federer does.

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Speaker 1: Greg? Do you want to hash out the beef there

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Speaker 1: with Rhoda Pat Well?

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Speaker 4: There was there was no beef.

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Speaker 5: Although I'm not even actually sure if I did hire Rhodopap,

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Speaker 5: but I remember I was a big supporter of him.

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Speaker 5: Back you were at road a world while we were

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Speaker 5: laying brick by brick. I shouldn't take credit for for you.

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Speaker 5: If Evan hired, he probably did, so.

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Speaker 6: You can't claim credit it was Evan. He actually Evan

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Speaker 6: stole me in the night from the baseball side of

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Speaker 6: the site too. They were I was going to do

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Speaker 6: like a baseball test shift, and he immediately got me

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Speaker 6: installed in a football test shift.

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Speaker 1: This is not a joke.

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Speaker 6: I did both sports about eighteen months, and the one

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Speaker 6: day one of our other bosses, Greg Brett Randomark has

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Speaker 6: called me, it's like Evan said, you're not doing baseball anymore.

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Speaker 8: All right.

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Speaker 5: I've thought about that often, and I know we would

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Speaker 5: get to the trades. The first six months at Road

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Speaker 5: to where I loved baseball. Baseball was, you know, my

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Speaker 5: favorite sport at the time, and I wrote the baseball magazine.

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Speaker 5: I worked in both baseball and football, and I often

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Speaker 5: think like, if I had just not been assigned to

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Speaker 5: cover football, how much worse my life would be, wouldn't

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Speaker 5: he here.

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Speaker 1: Great sliding doors moments.

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Speaker 4: We were like OKI's in the thirties and as many opportunities.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying, the NFL has been very, very good

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Speaker 4: to me.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we were like OKI's in the thirties and forties.

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Speaker 6: Just get all the way to California. Don't stop on

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Speaker 6: the way there, skip over baseball and skip to football.

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Speaker 6: That's for the almighty American dollars.

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Speaker 3: I have always wondered Pat like, if you suddenly switched gears,

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Speaker 3: developed a new interest, became like a tax account or something,

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Speaker 3: you'd have to rebrand your entire handless. The roado part

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Speaker 3: of it wouldn't make no sense at that point, but.

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Speaker 4: The wardrobe would be ready to go.

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Speaker 6: I think, right now, what do you gona think of

630
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Speaker 6: my tasteful wardrobe? You guys have the really tasteful backdrops.

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Speaker 6: I have the tasteful wardrobe.

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Speaker 2: I need to work on my backdrops, but they used

633
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Speaker 2: to BEFO before Musk came along. They used to hold

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Speaker 2: it above your head like like an anvil. Do not

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Speaker 2: change your handle or you lose your your verified check mark.

636
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Speaker 2: And now we all lost our verified check mark. So

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Speaker 2: I think he could change the handle.

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Speaker 1: Keep now.

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Speaker 2: Some people will be confused that followers of Pat will

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Speaker 2: be confused if all of a sudden he's talking about

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Speaker 2: advanced accounting around tax season after fifteen years of talking

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Speaker 2: to baseball and football.

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Speaker 1: But you know they'll figure it out. He'll keep something,

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Speaker 1: he'll loose some.

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Speaker 6: I have so much podcasting experience too, I'm sure I

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Speaker 6: could be asked being an account and like I just

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Speaker 6: don't cheat on your taxes. You should be pretty good.

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Speaker 6: Even if you cheat a little bit, you're probably all right.

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Speaker 2: All right, tax podcast would very much weight, But you

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Speaker 2: know what it's once you have you define what your

651
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: audience is and then you just go for it. And

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Speaker 2: I think Pat would have a chance. Here we are

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about Yes, while the combine is

654
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Speaker 2: kicking off, we're going to really be digging into the

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Speaker 2: draft side of things once those activities have ceased in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: But for now, we're going to keep our eyes on

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Speaker 2: what's current, the players currently on rosters, with free agency

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00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks away, and players under contract, and

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Speaker 2: teams trying to figure out how financially they want to attack,

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Speaker 2: so trades could happen.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I believe it was around this time last year,

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Speaker 1: or maybe the year before the Russell Wilson trade went

663
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: down as an example, two years ago now, and so

664
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: we could get a big one as teams set up

665
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: for free agency.

666
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 4: So why not let's throw out some trades. Let's try

667
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 4: to keep them in the realm of reality, things that

668
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 4: could make sense. Now.

669
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: I know we said before we started that Rotopad has

670
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: a hammer drop to end all hammer drops as we

671
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: build it up to a level of expectations that cannot

672
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: possibly meet.

673
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: But that's how we'll end. But we're also going to

674
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: start with our guest Patrick, get us going with the trade.

675
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 6: First, of you're right, you're actually kind of late on

676
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 6: a big trade where you know, the new league year

677
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 6: when it begins March thirteenth. That has never stopped people

678
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 6: from announcing trades in like January eighteenth, like Matthew Stafford

679
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 6: to the Rams, like kind of wondering why the rules

680
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 6: even in place at all when that kind of stuff

681
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 6: can happen. But I'll start you're promising a hammer drop,

682
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 6: I'll start as normy as possible, Okay, and I just

683
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 6: the normy trade I want to happen is justin fields

684
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 6: to the Atlanta Falcons repair of second round picks. Some

685
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 6: people will say he won't fetch that much. I call

686
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 6: two second rounders kind of like the gentleman's first rounder,

687
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 6: where you can't be seen like valuing him at a

688
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 6: first round level. And I feel like, like like toxic

689
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 6: fan purposes. He's not worth the first rounder, but he

690
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 6: could be worth two second rounders. It's not an all

691
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 6: in move. It won't like cripple the franchise. You don't

692
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 6: have to make an all in move. In the NFC South,

693
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 6: it's a similar roster to the Bears, where it's made

694
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 6: to have a high octane rushing attack. It's got a

695
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 6: solid defense. He's proven despite his passing limitations, he can

696
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 6: at least like strike up one of those like amazing

697
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 6: like alpha wide receiver connections as you did last year

698
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 6: with Dj Moore. And I just think it's a good

699
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 6: It's more than a whole serve move. But it's like

700
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 6: the Falcons finally trying to like actually get serious about

701
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 6: quarterback without having to make like some totally fan. Maybe

702
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 6: it turns into a franchise altering move, but it's not

703
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 6: like Deshaun Watson, where like totally alters the franchise with

704
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 6: three first rounders going. And I just think, I think

705
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 6: of all the Justin Field's potential destinations, I wanted to

706
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 6: be the folk.

707
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: I think that's a good way to get going here

708
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: because I'm sure you're not the only one that has

709
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: a fields trade, So why don't we, uh will talk

710
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: about that one. And if anyone wants to add a

711
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: fields mark, go ahead.

712
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 4: What do you ask?

713
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: Well, I was I was gonna say I did a

714
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: couple Justin Field snails. But Falcons, It's like cool, it's

715
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 3: the missing piece. It's what they were so frustrating if

716
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: they were for years in a row. It's just like,

717
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 3: put a quarterback here and we got a lot going on.

718
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 3: And I had the same thing as you. I had

719
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: fields though for a second. And on this show, we

720
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 3: have our guys dudes that we you know, really just

721
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 3: sort of have a bit of a fetish with earlier

722
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 3: in their careers. They can't be stars, And like Tyler

723
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 3: Lgier was my dude two years ago, and I kind

724
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: of think it would help if they sent Tyler L.

725
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,959
Speaker 4: Geer in a second back to the Bears.

726
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 3: It frees him up for a big career in Chicago

727
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 3: and it gets it kind of unclogs the whole Bejon

728
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 3: Robinson thing too. So I think the Falcons just seem

729
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 3: to be using the wrong players at different times this

730
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: season ago.

731
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Speaker 5: So he's a weird trade evaluation because you're saying two seconds,

732
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 5: so that would have to be I think it's the

733
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 5: forty third pick of the draft, and then I guess

734
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 5: next year's second. We're trying to be specific here. I

735
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 5: mean you could even get NBA like and trade a

736
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 5: twenty twenty six second once I think we get to

737
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 5: the draft and make the second.

738
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 6: The second second can maybe be a conditional third, like

739
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 6: it can turn into a third or something like that.

740
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 5: Sure, they do have an extra third round pick this

741
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 5: year that if they wanted to do that. His contract

742
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 5: makes him more tradeable, more valuable. He's getting paid nothing

743
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 5: this year and then he's on a fifth year option

744
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 5: next year, which for a starting quarterback is essentially nothing.

745
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 5: I mean, it's gonna be like twenty million dollars, but

746
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 5: that's a bargain if you actually are a team that's

747
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 5: going to want to pay it. Whereas this year, I

748
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 5: think you're literally paying him like five million bucks something

749
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 5: crazy a base salary, one point six million, one point

750
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 5: six million dollar broster bonus. You're paying him what like

751
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 5: Sam Darnold made in San Francisco last year, what a

752
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 5: like a backup is going to make, or less than

753
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 5: a decent backup. That's why I think he might have

754
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 5: a better market than people think. I'm not sending him

755
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 5: to Atlanta, though, I think they're on a weird timeline

756
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 5: because Terry Fontineau is like he's been around for a

757
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 5: while their GM, but the coach is new. I think

758
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 5: they they might rather just go with like a young

759
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 5: play a franchise, you know, draft pick, which Arthur Blank

760
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 5: seems to be all over. So that's why I'm sending

761
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 5: him to the Raiders for the forty fourth pick. And

762
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 5: the Bears did like getting a veteran back, so they're

763
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 5: going to get back Tyree Wilson, who had one of

764
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 5: the worst seasons out of a top ten pick that

765
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 5: we've seen in a long time. Last year, but he

766
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 5: was a top ten pick, so it's like, Okay, give

767
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 5: us someone we can play with a little bit that

768
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 5: has some talent. What was a year ago forty fourth

769
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 5: pick overall and Tyree Wilson to the Raiders. I think

770
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 5: they're the most likely team that would actually do this.

771
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: But I think that that's a good one.

772
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Pat.

773
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 6: I love the idea, And if it's the Falcons, I

774
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 6: love the idea of including al Jier because he's like

775
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 6: a loaded gun laying around like he's gonna go off

776
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 6: if he's on the roster, like they like coaches cannot

777
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 6: quit him and like they let him being good be

778
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 6: the enemy of Bijon being great, and he's just he's

779
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 6: just got to get off the roster then.

780
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: Use it's not fair to Algier to call him a

781
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: progress stopper, to use a parcelsism, because he's actually a

782
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 2: young talented player, but he is in terms of letting

783
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: Bijon be the guy what he wants to be, and

784
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: that's a two thousand yard rusher. You got to give

785
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: him the ball, got to give him the rock. So

786
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: I like all these are all places that make sense

787
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: for fields. I also have a fields trade, but I

788
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: have to tell you, in terms of BS detectors, there

789
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: has been very few storylines that have popped up post

790
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: Super Bowl in the last few years that smelled as

791
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: funky as the Steelers saying they were good with their

792
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: quarterback room. It actually brings to mind my first year

793
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: and mark your first year at NFL Media when we

794
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: were doing write ups with Mike Shanahan, not Kyle Mike

795
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: Shanahan stating that he would stake his reputation on Rex

796
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: Grossman and John Beck that quarterback room. That's how it

797
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: feels in Pittsburgh right now. So I think about Mike Tomlin, like,

798
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 2: what have they been missing since Ben got old? I mean,

799
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: just a true two way threat quarterback who can make plays,

800
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: who could avoid the rush. And I think fields to

801
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 2: the Steelers makes a lot of sense. And I'm going

802
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: to send the twenty twenty four second round pick fifty

803
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: one overall, a twenty twenty four fourth round pick, and

804
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty five conditional third that becomes a second.

805
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: It feels it's certain performance and durability escalators get it done.

806
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 6: Do not?

807
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 2: I smell the BS? So stop trying to stop trying

808
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: to serve it Steelers.

809
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 6: Not trying to dominate the talking but amazing stylistic bit

810
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 6: in Pittsburgh. And you make it a great point with

811
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 6: the Steelers. And like the BS detector and the quarterbacks,

812
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 6: I loved al Raheem Morris in Atlanta was just like,

813
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 6: you know, he didn't do that at all, Just like

814
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 6: I literally wouldn't even be here the quarterback was in

815
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 6: any way, I would still be in LA Like let's

816
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 6: just be real too. And so there was some admirable honesty.

817
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 5: With these guys that are that are actually still in

818
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 5: a roster that the Steelers would have to go against

819
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 5: what they've been for a long time.

820
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: And there's some indications that it's time Greg, it's time

821
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: maybe mix things up in Pittsburgh.

822
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 5: And there's some indication that they are and that they will.

823
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 5: It is a different general manager Omar Khan, than Bit,

824
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 5: than Kevin Colbert who was there for a couple of decades.

825
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 5: But I don't know, three three picks might get it done.

826
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 5: I think there's gonna be a bigger market. I think

827
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 5: it might be something close to that sort of trade.

828
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 5: Then people realize that the trick is like I almost

829
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 5: know the Raiders would be in on this, but maybe

830
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 5: the Falcons. There's actually not that many teams that are

831
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 5: logical like destinations for for justin Fields, because most most

832
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 5: of the most logical ones have picks in the top three.

833
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 5: The Patriots, Commanders and Bears had.

834
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we just named three teams that make sense.

835
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: The Giants are out there, They've been connected to Fields

836
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: at least in time in terms of shatter.

837
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that's four right there. I mean that's I

838
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: think he's going to have a market.

839
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: And like you said, like the difference between him and

840
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: say Sam Darnold when he the Panthers gave up a

841
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: pretty good bounty, like Fields has actually shown something like

842
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: he's shown he has a potential high level play in him.

843
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 5: That in the contract is a real great sweet spot.

844
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 5: That's almost perfect. It's not too long in the future,

845
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 5: it's two years at a very low rate.

846
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 4: Like that that helps.

847
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 2: All right, let's move, We'll stick with the Raiders. I'll

848
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: throw them out here. That another thing that I don't

849
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: quite buy now, I do buy that with all of

850
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: the bravado and excitement around the Raiders with Antonio Pierce,

851
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 2: that they want to win now. And maybe you're right,

852
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: Maybe they go and they hunt and get a quarterback

853
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: that they could believe they could be a playoff team with.

854
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: But I still the DeVante Adams thing. I'm still I'm

855
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: not there.

856
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: I'm not there believing that he is definitely on that

857
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: team given his age and where they are as a team.

858
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 2: And I've always thought that the Jets were going to

859
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: make up big play for him. You know, Rogers wants

860
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: to make a big play. You know, Rogers is calling

861
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: the shots for the Jets at this point. So if

862
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: the Jets picked up the phone and called up the Raiders,

863
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: what would it take. So I'm saying, tell me if

864
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: this is crazier, this kind of makes sense. The Raiders

865
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: would give up their first round pick, the thirteenth overall pick.

866
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: The Jets give them back their first round pick, which

867
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: is a tenth overall pick, so the Raiders move into

868
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 2: the top ten. The Jets also give him a second

869
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: round pick in twenty twenty five, which, given the state

870
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: of the Jets roster and the boomer bust nature, could

871
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: be a pick in the low thirties potentially, you know,

872
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: in the thirties. Would that be enough to get Adams

873
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: and his big contract out of Vegas.

874
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 3: No, I think so, I'm with you. I think the Raiders,

875
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 3: especially under Josh McDaniel's Devanta Adams would have been history

876
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 3: very quick. But new coaching staff, he likes the coach.

877
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 3: I could see Pierce not wanting to move a player

878
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: like that this offseason. But I just feel like if

879
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: they get if someone calls, I think they'd be listening

880
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: to this. I cooked up one, and maybe this is

881
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 3: too high of a price for the Colts to give up.

882
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: But I thought that the Colts, who are also in

883
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 3: like let's surround our young quarterback with weapons now, would

884
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: be willing to give for a DeVante Adams in his

885
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 3: prime the fifteenth overall pick and what I love about

886
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 3: it for the Raiders, that may be a little rich,

887
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 3: But in this world, the Raiders, who need a lot

888
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 3: of pieces could turn around and redo their wide out

889
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 3: room and have more as well because they had have

890
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 3: the thirteenth pick and the fifteenth pick. But maybe that's

891
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 3: a little expensive for DeVante Adams. I don't think it

892
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 3: would have been a year or two ago.

893
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 6: I've got a non official DeVante Adams one. By the way,

894
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 6: he was like it really was as good as gone

895
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 6: as any player has ever been when it was josh

896
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 6: Y Dan where he would basically go up to the

897
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 6: Monday night football camera like right and sharpie like I

898
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 6: want to be traded, and then that didn't happen. I

899
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 6: think Pierce like loves him a little too much.

900
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: My Antonio.

901
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 6: I was in Vegas, Antonio Pierce walked by me and

902
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 6: the lobby like his dog levels just like walking in

903
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 6: a lobby were so off the charts. I feel like

904
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 6: he's not going to trade a dog levels guy like

905
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 6: Davante Adams. But this isn't one of my official three.

906
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 6: I want DeVante Adams to the Bills. I think the

907
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 6: first rounder is too rich for Demonte at this point,

908
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 6: I think I'm going back to my gentleman's first rounder

909
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 6: two two's from the all in Bills for Devontae. I

910
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 6: don't know, he's two redundant to Stefan Diggs. Their salary

911
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 6: cap situation is probably too messed up too. But Stefan

912
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 6: and Demonte can both do everything on the football field.

913
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 6: They're so all in that I really want devont Adams

914
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 6: on the Bills instead of the Jets. Plus two story

915
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 6: line up I'm playing Rogers twice.

916
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 5: Put a pin in that I could see. You know,

917
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 5: you bring in Adams and then you get rid of

918
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 5: Digs or whatever. But I don't think that's too much.

919
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 5: They sent a first in a second round pick for

920
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 5: him just two years ago. I don't understand. I don't

921
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 5: think there's much of a chance DeVante Adams get traded.

922
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 5: Why would they trade one of their best players. They're

923
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 5: also not going to get any real like cap releaf

924
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 5: out of it. In the short term. They get like

925
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 5: a very mind and they don't need cap relief. They

926
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 5: need to be fill in that stadium and win some games.

927
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 5: I guess I don't get why.

928
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: The answer to that, too, Greg, is that, at least

929
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: in how the league typically works, big ticket guy for

930
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: a team that's kind of rebuilding, reloading, that was a

931
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: different regime brought him in.

932
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: There's always that chance.

933
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: Now have we heard Adams on records say he definitely

934
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: wants to stay with Las Vega, Because if I'm Adams,

935
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, I got how many big time.

936
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: Years do I have left? One or two? And I

937
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: don't know who my quarterback here is.

938
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 2: Like, I just think there's as much as the raiders

939
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: want to put it out there, and I think the

940
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: GM said he's a Raider a couple of days ago,

941
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: like they were really pushing that hard. But that is

942
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: also that's leverage, and I think given there would be

943
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,959
Speaker 2: a market for him, and some teams like the Bills

944
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 2: are a great example too. The Bills and Jets are

945
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: both very desperate teams in different ways that maybe you

946
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: can get that first rounder. Now mine was moving up

947
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 2: in the first round and then a second. But you know,

948
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 2: the trade famously that got Stefan Diggs to Buffalo was

949
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: just Digs for a first and that worked out for everyone.

950
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: The Vikings then got Justin Jefferson, so could Adams thirty

951
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 2: two years old, which is kind of snuck up on me.

952
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 2: That's part of it too, a little bit. I just

953
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: think they can get even more cap relieve it. If

954
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: they were going to trade them, they're going to trade

955
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 2: him like during the season or see how everything goes

956
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 2: in Wait. I do have a Dig trade though, while

957
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 2: he's not up there, I'm sending Diggs and I think

958
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: Diggs is eminently tradeable. I think this wide receiver market

959
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: has not like finished expanding. People are teams are going

960
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 2: to be ready to pay wide receivers as quarterbacks, whether

961
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: it's contracts or in trade terms. And so even though

962
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 2: Diggs is coming off a down year, he's young enough.

963
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: I think he could get a first round pick back.

964
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 5: I thought about the Browns, who there's some whispers they

965
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 5: want to bring in a wide receiver Tony Pauline, that

966
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 5: the Cowboys maybe.

967
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 4: With the brother thing.

968
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 5: But who's got an extra first round pick this year?

969
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 5: It's the Arizona Cardinals with the twenty seventh pick overall.

970
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 5: Just send him over to Stepan to Buffalo. For some reason,

971
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 5: I think Stephan Diggs would be happy to be in

972
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 5: Arizona where it's just chill, and he could just put

973
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 5: up big numbers and who knows, maybe you draft you

974
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 5: got you get a wide receiver in the draft. You

975
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 5: got him, you got Wilson, you got Kyler Murray, let's fly.

976
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 5: I think the Bills would do that too, Greg I

977
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 5: had a duplicate exactly the same trade.

978
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: That means it's happening. I hate the idea of a

979
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: declining physically, but his ego higher and more powerful than ever.

980
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: Stephan Diggs going to the Arizona Cardinals, that zoo and

981
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: seeing how that turns out. While you know Kyler, you know,

982
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: either freezes him out of the game plan or is

983
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: forcing targets. I mean that that smells like a disaster.

984
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 6: I think he would either embrace the retirement home aspect

985
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 6: or he would just be, h, I'm going to retire.

986
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 6: He immediately retire after they traded him.

987
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 4: He's only thirty, Like he wasn't that.

988
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: You know, he wasn't old last year he played old.

989
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 4: Last year he did.

990
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 5: He did finish with eleven hundred and eighty yards and

991
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 5: one hundred and seven catches. I know it fell awf

992
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 5: a lot, but you know, during the season, but it's

993
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 5: not like he was a disaster. I just feel like

994
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 5: both those teams would do that trade, and the Cardinals,

995
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 5: you know, they can't. They have a surplus of picks

996
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 5: that they're one of the teams that could actually give

997
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 5: it up. Although that's the Texans pick, which we thought

998
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 5: at the time was like going to be a top

999
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 5: five pick. There was like a week in the season

1000
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 5: where we're like, ooh, the text the Cardinals could have

1001
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 5: the top two picks of the and it ended up

1002
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 5: being the twenty seventh because the Texans got into the

1003
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 5: divisional round.

1004
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you if you like, do the math on it.

1005
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: To get to eleven hundred yards if you play every week,

1006
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: is like sixty five yards a game. That's kind of

1007
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: what a ceiling was this year. And I just wonder,

1008
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 2: like if he is because people know, I'm not gonna

1009
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: say he's a diva or anything like that, but people know,

1010
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: you know he's he's a lot like and you got

1011
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: to make sure Stephan's in a good place. If a

1012
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: guy that's coming off a red flag season and you

1013
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: know he's a little bit of a handful potentially in

1014
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: the locker room, what kind of is his market as

1015
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: strong as maybe you might think it should be strong

1016
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: because he's been like a top ten receiver for the

1017
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: last five years, or at least before last year. I

1018
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: think he's an interesting one in terms of trying to

1019
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: figure out how much he could command. I'm sure Brandon

1020
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 2: Bean and McDermot are thinking the same thing.

1021
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 6: The amount of screaming between Kyler and Stefan Diggs would

1022
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 6: maybe set.

1023
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 4: It would be great.

1024
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 5: Though receivers are like yards. I don't know what the

1025
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 5: comparison is, but I think a t and I think

1026
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 5: this has happened with a lot of receivers, like they

1027
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 5: their expiration date with some of them, like happens in

1028
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 5: after about three years. But that first year is great,

1029
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 5: the second year is pretty good, and then it starts

1030
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 5: getting sour. So it's time you're gonna get one one

1031
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 5: nice year where he looks great.

1032
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: All right, before we go around the horn again, let's pause,

1033
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: take a break, and we'll be right back with roto

1034
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: Pat and fake trades.

1035
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: All right, Pat, give us another one.

1036
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 6: This isn't the hammer drop this one hammer drop. This

1037
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 6: one is like for pure functionality. This is like buying

1038
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 6: a couch. You got to get the couch in the house.

1039
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 7: You're not.

1040
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 6: It's not flashy, but it is quite comfortable. The Kansas

1041
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 6: City Chiefs h I originally said conditional fourth rounder. I

1042
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 6: think I could probably be a conditional fifth rounder to

1043
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 6: the New York Giants for Darius Slayton, who just, for

1044
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 6: some reason every year the Giants hate Darius Slayton even

1045
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 6: though all he ever does is get like seven hundred

1046
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 6: yards unlimited targets. Yeah, he's cleared seven hundred yards in

1047
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 6: four or five seasons, something MBS has never done. For

1048
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 6: the Chiefs. Just cut get a legitimate field stretcher who

1049
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 6: actually has like half a decade of proven production. He

1050
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 6: could be a great role player in this offense for

1051
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 6: the Chiefs. I think he's better than he's ever been

1052
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 6: allowed to be in New York, which maybe is not

1053
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 6: really a thing after five years.

1054
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 2: But Pat, Pat, everything you're saying right now is exactly

1055
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 2: how we would have explained the Cadarius Tony trade two years.

1056
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 5: Ago, except for like Darius Tony, he's actually produced, laying solid.

1057
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 5: But this is a perfunctory trade. It feels very like

1058
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 5: like a couple that's no longer really feeling the magic,

1059
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 5: but like, let's just knock it out.

1060
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 4: Every other week.

1061
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 5: He's done something and this is like this is like

1062
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 5: when when when Mark or actually I don't even remember

1063
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 5: it was Mark or west Or who was like where

1064
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 5: we have to drop like a big ticket like hammer

1065
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 5: drop of an item, And they talked about Geo Bernard's

1066
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 5: impact on the twenty twenty one bucks.

1067
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 6: But this isn't the hammer drop, of course, And this

1068
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 6: is part of a large charge. This is part of

1069
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 6: a larger Chiefs receiver corps of because this is also

1070
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 6: part of the Chiefs trading for Justin Jefferson of course,

1071
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 6: which I'm going to get into on the show, but

1072
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 6: they got to remake the receiver. The fact that they

1073
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 6: want back to back Super Bowls was like the definition

1074
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 6: of like league replacement receivers. They're not going to do

1075
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 6: it a third time. Famous last words, he's at a

1076
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 6: league worst quarterback play for half a decade, Man, Darius Slayton.

1077
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 6: Get hi about the real quarterback. Get the Chiefs the

1078
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 6: real field stretcher, and watch it, watch magic happen.

1079
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 3: I also think the Chiefs with that thirty second pick,

1080
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 3: it's in that close sort of gentlemen's terms where it's

1081
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 3: if it's not a Slaton, but you want to go

1082
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 3: try and swing for the fences on someone else, you

1083
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: can essentially offer a first round pick that to the

1084
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 3: Chiefs looks like a second round pick and maybe get

1085
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 3: out of there. Because I think I'm with you. I

1086
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 3: think it's gonna be multiple. It's gonna be has to

1087
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 3: be multiple pieces. But it can't just be a bunch

1088
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 3: of b minus ham and eggers like last season.

1089
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 5: This is this is a great wide receiver class. There's

1090
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 5: gonna be Look, you know, the top six could be

1091
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 5: all quarterbacks and receivers, which is crazy, But then the

1092
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 5: first round could be six or seven receivers, so there

1093
00:50:58,640 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 5: might be a spicy guy available.

1094
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: You know, I said that the Steelers offense to me

1095
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 2: feels like the girl in the closet and all summer

1096
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 2: in a day. I tip my cap to what the

1097
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 2: Chiefs were able to do. All apologies to the Union,

1098
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: and they're incredibly comprehensive survey, but I can't watch another

1099
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: season of Patrick Mahomes checking down for four quarters for the.

1100
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: I want my bomber back.

1101
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: I want the god of all gods airing it out

1102
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 2: to a talented group of wide receivers. So yeah, that's

1103
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: why I push back against Slayton because I agree. I

1104
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 2: think everyone agrees that Slayton seems there's something there to unlock,

1105
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 2: and maybe that's it if he's a piece of that pie.

1106
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: But I need a big time draft pick.

1107
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: I need a big time number one wide receiver to

1108
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 2: pair with Mahomes and let him fly again, because you know,

1109
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 2: Kelsey is also going to keep on getting more and

1110
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 2: more lumbering as he's getting older. They can't wait another

1111
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 2: year and we shouldn't be burning Patrick Mahomes twenties prime

1112
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 2: with him as a game general.

1113
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: We just can't do that. We shouldn't. It's a it's

1114
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: a shame, like what.

1115
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 6: He like needed to prove something to himself or what

1116
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 6: you proved it man, Like, we get it. You can

1117
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:13,959
Speaker 6: win with literally anyone.

1118
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 5: Jesus coming from like the Fantasy Guy and then the

1119
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 5: guy who drafted Mahomes in Fantasy's true.

1120
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: I'm so mad that.

1121
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 5: They won the Super Bowl with him having like Alex

1122
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 5: Smith sub Alex Smith.

1123
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: That this checks both boxes though as a Fantasy Guy fan,

1124
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: sure that dreven but also just like watching Mahomes be Mahomes.

1125
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 2: It's almost like when Jordan at the end of his

1126
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 2: run when the NBA was in a much different place

1127
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: when he was like winning game. You're watching that Jordan

1128
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: documentary and they're showing the highlights and they have the

1129
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 2: big music and they have the single cam on Jordan

1130
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: talking like, oh, and he disrespected me, so I had

1131
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 2: to put him under the ground. And then he makes

1132
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: the big shot at the end in slow motion and

1133
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: then they put up the final score and it was

1134
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: like seventy two to sixty five Bulls win. Like it

1135
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: doesn't take away from Jordan's greatness. But you know, I want,

1136
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 2: you know, I want Mahomes to be nineteen eighty nine

1137
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 2: ninety Jordan when he's putting up thirty five a game

1138
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: and soaring through the aga.

1139
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 6: Jarisson in the league. You watched the Super Bowl and

1140
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 6: your mom is like, I was told Patrick Mahomes through

1141
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 6: the ball deep.

1142
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 5: I literally did get a text for my mom during

1143
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 5: the game that the game was kind of boring.

1144
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 4: It was like mid third quarter. I was like, yeah,

1145
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 4: you're not wrong, Mom, I mean I'm wrong.

1146
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: Deb Rosenthal is the conscience of the National Football League

1147
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 2: and people have to understand that.

1148
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: Greg throughout another one.

1149
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to stick with the Chiefs. But on

1150
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 5: the defensive side, we mentioned Lagerius Sneed. I think he's

1151
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 5: getting traded. You wouldn't put that out there unless you

1152
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 5: were expecting to a bit of a risk. But they

1153
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 5: did let Sarvarius Ward go for nothing basically, and that

1154
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 5: worked out fine for them. So who needs a cornerback.

1155
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 5: There's a lot of teams, but who's going to be

1156
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 5: willing to give up something The Detroit Lions, and I

1157
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 5: think the market for Sneed in a trade. The terms

1158
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 5: might not be that high because you have to make

1159
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 5: him one of the highest paid cornerbacks in the league,

1160
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 5: if not the highest, along with it. So that's going

1161
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 5: to temper the market. But I'm gonna say number seventy

1162
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 5: three this season and a twenty twenty five third gets

1163
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 5: it done. So that's just next season's third. I think

1164
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 5: we need to get more into trading future picks, like

1165
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 5: the NBA, like they'll spend three months of podcasts talking about, ooh,

1166
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 5: the Lakers twenty twenty nine first round pick is now available,

1167
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 5: like they can trade that. It's like the NFL team

1168
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 5: should get into that more time. It's time for the

1169
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 5: Lions to push forward.

1170
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: The old trades. They don't feel tangible at a certain point.

1171
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 2: It's like a trade ten years in advance. I like

1172
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: that the NFL, everything's a little more. Everything's within the

1173
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: three year window of reality.

1174
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 4: Okay, but at least okay, just send a future pick.

1175
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 5: So the Lions, they give up seventy three, they're already

1176
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 5: short of pick, I believe, and then yeah, I'm either

1177
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 5: a second or a third next year.

1178
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 3: I think it's a cunning move too, because if you

1179
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 3: trade picks down the road and things go awry, you

1180
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 3: get can It's the next general manager that has to

1181
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 3: deal with that.

1182
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 4: So that's exact savvy.

1183
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 2: And the Lions don't want to be the new Bills,

1184
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 2: which is the lovable losers that become the big time

1185
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: team that then can't get over the hump. So this

1186
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 2: is kind of a sneaky important year in terms of

1187
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 2: continuing the franchise progress. That's why I'm with you. They're

1188
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 2: gonna aggressively look to get better this offseason. When I

1189
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 2: was getting ready for this exercise, I was say, what

1190
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 2: are the playoff teams that lost?

1191
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: Like, what do they need?

1192
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: And the Lions jumped out to me, and everyone knows

1193
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 2: Aden Hutchinson is a big time player for them, give

1194
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: him a little help. So I'm going to go in

1195
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: the front seven. And there's two options, both from the

1196
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 2: same team, the Chargers. And there's two And what I

1197
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 2: like about it is that the Lions and really any

1198
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 2: team that is looking for help in this realm, they

1199
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 2: can either go big ticket or they can get a

1200
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: slightly discount item. So you have obviously Joey Bosa. I

1201
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 2: think he with his age, his track record, I know

1202
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: the injuries, but because of the position he plays a premium,

1203
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 2: proven pass Rusher. I think he's gonna cost a first

1204
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: round pick. So the Lions give up their twenty ninth

1205
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 2: pick for Joey Bosa, and all of a sudden, they

1206
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 2: have these dogs on the opposite ends of each other.

1207
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 2: And if they don't want to go that hard, if

1208
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 2: they want to keep that first round pick, Khalil Mack's there,

1209
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 2: and I think Khalil Mack I think second round pick

1210
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 2: sixty first overall seems fair for a guy man. He's

1211
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: a little older, but he's coming off like an eighteen

1212
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 2: Sax season. Would you give up a late second to

1213
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 2: get Max? So they have two paths to go there,

1214
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: depending on how rich they want to be.

1215
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 3: I really like this because the Chargers, I think, if

1216
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 3: there's a time to part with Bosa. This came into

1217
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 3: my mind too that post Brandon Staley, different situation, new vibe,

1218
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 3: and you know, they're twenty five million in the red

1219
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 3: right now. They've got a lot of changes they've got

1220
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 3: to make. They have the most expensive defense for a

1221
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 3: number of years under Staley, and they were disasters. So

1222
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 3: it's like you can move and it is a player

1223
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 3: that I think has missed so much time that the

1224
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 3: Lions are taking a risk there, but it's time for

1225
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 3: the Chargers to think about a new a fresh, new start.

1226
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 5: I think so Bosa was at a pistachio eating competition

1227
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 5: in my home town of Santa Monica last week.

1228
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 4: I learned this information. I don't know why, some sort

1229
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 4: of spot how.

1230
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: Much money could it be possibly making off that that

1231
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: it was worth going right.

1232
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 5: I don't think he was in the competition, but it

1233
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 5: was some some sponsor event and he was eating. So

1234
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 5: they asked him about Jim Harbaugh and he said he

1235
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 5: loves the sound of it. It's like, I don't know

1236
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 5: if he's going to be on that team. I'm with you, Dan,

1237
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 5: I think he gets dealt. I think the Chargers would

1238
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:40,919
Speaker 5: throw a parade if they could get a first round

1239
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 5: pick for him, and they might cut him. I'm with you,

1240
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 5: they should explore a possible trade, and I think they'd

1241
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 5: take what they can get, whether whether it's a first,

1242
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 5: a second, and whatever it is. He just hasn't been

1243
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 5: able to stay on the field. When he's on the field,

1244
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 5: he's freaking awesome. So he makes sense for a team

1245
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 5: like the Lions that would like just take a big swing.

1246
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 5: But he's a huge He also would be huge risk,

1247
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 5: and the pistachio things a bit of a red flag too.

1248
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 4: I do like pistachios, by the way, good how much

1249
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 4: are you eating?

1250
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 7: Though?

1251
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 4: In a pistachio eating I'll find out more information.

1252
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 5: This came across my my like Santa Monica count that

1253
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 5: I follow, and I was like, what is happening here,

1254
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 5: Joey Bosa?

1255
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 4: Is that third Street or something? To eating pistachios? All right?

1256
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: Mark, do you have one more before we go to

1257
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: the hammer drop?

1258
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 3: I do, And I'm going to use a rotot word

1259
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 3: wish casting. This is probably more something I would like

1260
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 3: to see happen, and it's very unlikely. But I do

1261
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 3: see a team, two teams with quarterbacks that I think

1262
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 3: behind closed doors they're like, what are we doing with

1263
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 3: this guy? And like this guy's overpaid and not producing.

1264
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 3: I see two quarterbacks like that, So I think you

1265
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 3: flip the script here and just hear me out, Like

1266
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns take to Shaun Watson and they look

1267
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 3: back on this season and say, you know what, this

1268
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 3: is not probably going to get a lot better, and

1269
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 3: we can either be an organization. Andrew Berry is a

1270
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 3: forward thinking general manager that like we can sit in

1271
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 3: our mistake if that's how we feel about it, or

1272
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 3: we can we can move on. And I think that

1273
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 3: the New York Giants feel the same way about Daniel

1274
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 3: Jones and his absurd contract, and so the Browns and

1275
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 3: Giants flip quarterbacks. But I think in that world that

1276
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 3: the Deshaun Watson return to the NFL was about as

1277
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 3: toxic as it could be off the field, obviously, but

1278
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 3: to him to go to another team after the Browns,

1279
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 3: I think it's more palatable probably for the Giants to

1280
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 3: take that experience at this point. And I think if

1281
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 3: you're Brian Daball, you can look at de Shaun Watson

1282
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 3: and say there's a lot we can do there. And

1283
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 3: if you're the Cleveland Browns, you're back in the world

1284
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 3: of reorganize, reorganized in a quarterback. But Daniel Jones could

1285
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 3: get you through a season or two.

1286
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 4: WHOA wait, Can I just say that this is wild?

1287
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 4: This is I mean, this is impossible.

1288
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: Although it's fun because an audience like the Browns detached

1289
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 2: from that quarterback is great. Nobody wants that guy, Nobody

1290
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 2: wants the guaranteed he connected to him at this point,

1291
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 2: and certainly a Tiffany franchise, like the New York Giants

1292
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 2: with the Maras and the Rooneys, they would never ever

1293
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 2: take on Watson. So I think it stops because of

1294
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: the baggage. Forget about any of the other stuff. In

1295
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 2: my opinion, I don't think that the Giants even pick

1296
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 2: up the phone, right.

1297
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 5: I get it that that the Jones is a distressed asset,

1298
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 5: so he's like a negative asset too, But no one

1299
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 5: would give up. I don't think you know a condition

1300
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,919
Speaker 5: no one would take Deshaun Watson on their team.

1301
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 4: I don't think right now.

1302
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 3: The other third, do you think there's back of possibility

1303
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,959
Speaker 3: that the inside the Browns building, they're like, it would

1304
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 3: be nice to move on from this.

1305
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Speaker 5: Point of course, Yes, I think the Browns would do

1306
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 5: this in a second, I'm with you, But I don't

1307
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 5: think any other team would.

1308
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: Do Why don't you reach this is a there and

1309
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: people forget about this because and the Browns they deserve it.

1310
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Speaker 4: They got buried.

1311
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: But there were a lot of other teams that wanted

1312
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 2: Watson too, and they were reported out there. You could

1313
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 2: look it up, go call check in on some of

1314
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 2: those teams. Yeah, I do have an important update before

1315
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 2: the hammer drop.

1316
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 5: Joey Bosa finished seventh out of eight competitors in a

1317
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 5: pistachio wonderful pistachio, get crack and eat in competition, the

1318
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 5: world champion, some guy named Webb, destroyed him with two

1319
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 5: twenty one. Joey chestnutt was there tied for fifth. Bosa

1320
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 5: finished one hundred and fifty two pistachios. He did beat

1321
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 5: one other person in the competition.

1322
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 2: Someone that read actual, Yeah, someone's an actual competitive eater,

1323
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 2: and they couldn't beat the athlete that.

1324
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 7: Was just.

1325
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 6: Ed Rusher. You should be able to get off the bus.

1326
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 5: And they build it as Joey versus Joey Bosa versus

1327
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 5: Chestnut and there appears to be about, you know seventeen

1328
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 5: people in you know hoodies watching this thing.

1329
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: That it does make me finish.

1330
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Speaker 2: Finishing seventh out of eight makes me think that, yeah,

1331
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 2: he doesn't have that dog in him.

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Speaker 4: I'm dropping that too.

1333
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 2: That's a third round pick now going from Detroit. All right,

1334
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 2: it's time now to do what we must, which is

1335
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 2: clear the deck because Patrick Dherty roto Pat is about

1336
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 2: to share a hammer drup, a panty dropper, and everything

1337
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 2: that could drop is dropping here we go.

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Speaker 6: I think it ties together everything we've been talking about

1339
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 6: so far. So listen, Deshaun Watson, he got three first

1340
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 6: round picks, right, RG three got three first round picks

1341
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 6: sight unseen. In twenty twelve, Washington traded three first round

1342
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 6: picks for the.

1343
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: Right but Rex Grossman and John Beck. Mike Shannon was

1344
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: ready to stake his reputation upon them.

1345
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 6: So three first round picks has kind of been the

1346
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 6: going rate for like the stunning quarterback trade and acquisition.

1347
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 6: It needs to be up to four first round picks.

1348
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 6: It's like someone's going to always break new ground in

1349
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 6: this territory. Kind of ties into Greg too, Like who

1350
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 6: cares about future first round? Just keep trading them, doesn't Matt.

1351
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 6: No one cares what the Brooklyn nets twenty twenty eight

1352
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 6: first round pick. Just get him out there. It's four

1353
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 6: first round picks for an elite quarterback. The Commanders, I mean,

1354
01:02:58,040 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 6: the owner of the new guy. He tried to lay

1355
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 6: low for a year. He's like it's a new day

1356
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 6: in Washington, and like January first rolled around was like okay,

1357
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 6: never mind. Like he's sitting in on meetings at the combine.

1358
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 6: You know, he's like starting feuds with other assistant coaches

1359
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 6: in the league, like you know, like he spent his

1360
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 6: whole off season like leaking anti Ben Johnson dirt. He's

1361
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 6: he's ready to like ascend to the throne of like

1362
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 6: the crazy new owner. I think it was Dan said

1363
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 6: the Los Angeles Chargers. They need they need a fresh

1364
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 6: new start. Jim Harbaugh all he wants. He doesn't care

1365
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 6: about passing the ball. He's not gonna pass. He doesn't want,

1366
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,919
Speaker 6: he doesn't need to pass. Alex Smith, Colin Capitol gets

1367
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 6: the NFC Championship game every year. Trade Justin Herbert to

1368
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 6: the Washington Commanders for four first round picks. Blow up

1369
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 6: and restart two organizations, a new remake, a bold new NFL.

1370
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 6: It's a new era. The going rate is now four

1371
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 6: first round picks. Everyone's happy and we get our We

1372
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 6: get something to write about for months and months and months.

1373
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 5: I love it, including the number two overall pick. I'm

1374
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 5: assuming it's one.

1375
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 6: Of those Yeah, sure, who cares?

1376
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,479
Speaker 4: I mean the steep price, that is a steep price.

1377
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 4: I think the Chargers would have to think about it.

1378
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 6: They would have to think about it. Give him something

1379
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 6: to think about. Josh Harris, that's his name, right.

1380
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 4: Josh, Yeah, that's it.

1381
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 2: Give him something to think about, you know, you they

1382
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 2: George Bluth, un arrested Development once taught us that you

1383
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 2: never promised crazy a baby. I would say when it

1384
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 2: comes to the NFL, you know, always pick up the

1385
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 2: phone with crazy when it comes to trades. And I

1386
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 2: think Jim Harbaugh, he's just crazy enough to do it.

1387
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 2: I think Jim he's You're already hearing some stories behind

1388
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 2: the scenes. Jim is a wild man. Jim's gonna build

1389
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 2: this organization in his likeness.

1390
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 4: Justin's not his guy.

1391
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 2: Maybe he doesn't love him like the media loves him.

1392
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 2: Maybe he thinks he's got a bit of a ceiling

1393
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 2: on him. I don't think that's his. It's a hammer drop.

1394
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 2: But I don't think it's insane that Harbor.

1395
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 4: Trade to and take JJ McCarthy, you.

1396
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 2: Know, like my guy, my, You know, I could see

1397
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,919
Speaker 2: Harbaugh doing something a mega splash, and that that would

1398
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 2: be a mega splash, spicy and.

1399
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean Justin Herbert yea, the stat guy. We

1400
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 6: all love him. We love the empty stats, except when

1401
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 6: they didn't even come with any touchdowns in twenty twenty three,

1402
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 6: So didn't love him that much last year, but he

1403
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 6: can take his empty volume somewhere else. Jim Harbaugh gets

1404
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 6: his character building rushing attack and yeah, everyone careful with that.

1405
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 2: With that, Justin Herbert slander the wrong media member could

1406
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 2: hear you and cut you ear to ear?

1407
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 6: I draft him literally every year.

1408
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: I love him, But so I take your empty stats elsewhere.

1409
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 6: Well, it was a part of the I love the

1410
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 6: empty stats. He's not going to have him anymore in LA.

1411
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 6: I'm sure he'll have him for days in Washington for

1412
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 6: days and days. So that's why we need this to happen. Actually,

1413
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 6: it is the fantasy community.

1414
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: Greg, your thoughts on that before we say goodbye to Patrick.

1415
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 4: I don't like it. I think Jim har I believe

1416
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 4: in love. I believe Jim Harbaugh loves this man.

1417
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 5: Justin Herbert, I do think if they offered the number

1418
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 5: two overall pick and multiple more first round picks, I

1419
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 5: think they would take it.

1420
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 4: The charge.

1421
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 5: As crazy as that as that seems, Jim Harbaugh would

1422
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 5: believe that he could just turn that pick into gold

1423
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 5: and rebuild the whole ship.

1424
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 4: And it's cheaper, and it's not it's not that crazy.

1425
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 3: You know, the other thing is it's not gonna it's

1426
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,959
Speaker 3: not a fan base here in La where you're gonna

1427
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 3: get a ton of negative reaction to it. There might

1428
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 3: be no reaction. Literally struggling to have any imprint in

1429
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 3: the city. And like if you if you traded like

1430
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 3: Justin Herbert away from like the Dallas Cowboys, people are

1431
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 3: gonna go freaking nuts.

1432
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 4: I think charges it's like off the radar.

1433
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 3: It could be done without too much, too much cantankerous

1434
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 3: nature to it.

1435
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 2: Patrick, you've said it all. You never promised crazy a baby,

1436
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 2: but I would. I would promise you a baby.

1437
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 6: Let's be real. Many you got we have four folks.

1438
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 4: Wow, that's a But you're in Saint Louis. It's a

1439
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 4: little bit of a different vibe there.

1440
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 6: It cost the livings lower to it's a strong Irish

1441
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 6: Catholic German town. The long lineage. We actually have a

1442
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 6: small family by German Missouri standards like well four when

1443
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 6: you're getting started for real.

1444
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 2: Pat probably lives in a home that is bigger than

1445
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 2: our homes combined. When you get that Missouri.

1446
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 6: Bump, there's a Missouri bump. I can't confirm there's a

1447
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 6: Missouri bump.

1448
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: Should we take our podcast and relocate to Missouri.

1449
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 4: I feel like that would yeah, an energy tax break.

1450
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 6: We'll give you a tax break on Lincoln her there.

1451
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 4: You know, it really adds up.

1452
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: What about your wife? What would she do to you?

1453
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 2: I mean your your wife, Greg has been vengeful about

1454
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 2: certain elements of the move from New York to LA.

1455
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 2: If you took her to Middle America, then what happens?

1456
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think she just goes to Tokyo.

1457
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 6: You're equidistant to both coasts here in Saint Louis, guys,

1458
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 6: actually a little closer to the East coast.

1459
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: Oh man, Honey atn is moving to Missouri. Honey, I'm

1460
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: moving to Japan.

1461
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 2: You had a good run, all right, good stuff, Pat,

1462
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, And you could check out Rhoda

1463
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 2: Pat's at work over at road a World or NBC

1464
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 2: Sports and uh, I know you have a comprehensive banger

1465
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 2: you put out a couple weeks ago going over each

1466
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 2: team season, and I'm sure there's more to come in

1467
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 2: the near future.

1468
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: So thank you, buddy, there is Thank you very much.

1469
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 6: I've committed I believe the ultimate industry fauxpa where I'm

1470
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 6: late for my own podcasts.

1471
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 5: Right, people should check out the Road to World Football

1472
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 5: Show because we've made him late for it today, so

1473
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 5: please check them in.

1474
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: You could bang us for that go ahead, how much.

1475
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 6: I would not miss the show, even for my own show,

1476
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 6: so thank you very much for having me.

1477
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: Or you could trash us in the open of that one,

1478
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: and then we could do a little fugeizy podcast war

1479
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: and then everybody went to the Patrick's.

1480
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 6: That's true, it's dark.

1481
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 4: Thank you there he goes roto Pat. Yes, one of

1482
01:08:58,560 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 4: our favorites.

1483
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 2: Alright, man, that Herbert thing really does get me thinking,

1484
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 2: I know it's absurd, blah blah blah, but Harbaugh really is.

1485
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 2: I mean people that don't know, people don't realize that

1486
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 2: that's a different cat. And the Chargers are not a

1487
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 2: team that's overly comfortable with paying massive bucks for anybody.

1488
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 2: So if they had an opportunity where the coach got

1489
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 2: what he wanted, which is complete control of building the

1490
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 2: roster in his own vision, and all of a sudden

1491
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 2: there was a plenty of money freed up, well I could.

1492
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 1: That would be fun.

1493
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 3: I think Herbert is intention Also, it's like it's the

1494
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,799
Speaker 3: closest kind of closest thing you get to the shocking

1495
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 3: nature of the herschel Walker trade, but the smarter team

1496
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 3: completely rebuild from scratch there and one multiple supergows.

1497
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 5: It would be fun, but I think great Jim Harbaugh

1498
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 5: talks about Justin Herbert, He's like ready to build a

1499
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 5: statue of Justin Herbert. I think he's everything that Justin

1500
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 5: Herbert's everything Jim Harb's ever wanted out of a quarterback.

1501
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 5: He's been like searching for this quarterback forever, and just

1502
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 5: he is so confident that he's like, we need nothing

1503
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 5: more than a stud like this in me, and we're

1504
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 5: gonna freaking roll.

1505
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: I kind of, I think ultimately, I'm with you on that.

1506
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 2: I think the hardest thing to do is to locate

1507
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 2: a high end quarterback, and he's got one that's like

1508
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 2: twenty five years old, so maybe you don't want to

1509
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:22,719
Speaker 2: overthink things.

1510
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 5: Ultimately, I think we'll get some fun trades, though, some

1511
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 5: that we haven't even thought of, because you know, if

1512
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 5: they were that big of a surprise, we wouldn't be

1513
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 5: able to think of him. But it feels like there's

1514
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 5: a lot of cap space out there, and so we

1515
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 5: actually will get some fun trades.

1516
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 4: I think of the next two weeks, all right, So

1517
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 4: there you go. That's it for another show. We will

1518
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 4: be back on Monday.

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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna go back to three weeks starting

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01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 2: next week, so we're as free agency gets closer, we're

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01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 2: gonna really be digging in. And also, like we said,

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01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 2: the combine will be wrapping up by the time you

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01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 2: hear from us again, so we'll be welcoming him on

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01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 2: some draft guests and looking at how teams will improve

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01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 2: on that end. So, yes, it is the beginning of

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01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 2: a new journey twenty twenty four and we're here, Mark,

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01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 2: Do you have anything you want to add before we

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01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 2: say goodbye?

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Speaker 3: I think I just felt an earthquake in my apartment

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01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 3: really yeah, or it was I don't know worse or

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01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 3: or like amer contractually into the side of the apartment,

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01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 3: but like it was, there was a major jolt right there.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to be out that post haste. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's it all right until until Monday. Thanks for listening,

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Speaker 2: and uh, you know what you gotta do?

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Speaker 4: Heat the car.