WEBVTT - SYMHC Classics: Hypatia

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<v Speaker 1>Hello and Happy Saturday. Listener Sheila wrote in recently and

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<v Speaker 1>searchable by individual episode topic. Anyway, we are bringing out

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<v Speaker 1>that past Hypatia episode as today's Saturday Classic. Just the

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<v Speaker 1>note upfront that this episode does include some discussion of

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<v Speaker 1>her murder and that murder was particularly gruesome. This episode

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<v Speaker 1>came out on August fifth, twenty thirteen. Welcome to Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeartRadio. Hello

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy V. Wilson and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Holly Frye, and today we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>a very influential and awesome lady mathematician and astronomer. Her

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<v Speaker 1>name was Hypatia and she lived in Alexandria. She was

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<v Speaker 1>a mathematician, astronomer, and philosopher, and although none of her

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<v Speaker 1>original writings have survived until today, we do know that

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<v Speaker 1>she wrote at least one book on astronomy and two

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<v Speaker 1>on math. She also taught and lectured, and she developed

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<v Speaker 1>a whole following of her own devoted students, and she

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<v Speaker 1>really helped preserve the knowledge of other scholars like Euclid

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<v Speaker 1>and Ptolemy. She was one of the earliest female mathematicians

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<v Speaker 1>and astronomers, and even though she wasn't the very first

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<v Speaker 1>woman ever to study these fields, she was definitely the

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<v Speaker 1>best known woman in antiquity to pursue them. She was

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<v Speaker 1>also among the greatest. At the time of her murder,

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<v Speaker 1>she was the foremost mathematician and astronomer in the West

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<v Speaker 1>and possibly in the entire world. Goha Patia, I know

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<v Speaker 1>she's fantastic. Uh. There's no clear record of when Hypatia

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<v Speaker 1>was born. Her year of birth used to often be

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<v Speaker 1>cited as three seventy, but today most scholars will generally

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<v Speaker 1>say it was closer to three fifty or three fifty five,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's still all pretty speculative. It's based on events

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<v Speaker 1>we know she and her father witnessed and how old

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<v Speaker 1>they might have been at the time, and also the

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<v Speaker 1>age of her most famous pupil, Sinsius of Syrene. We

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<v Speaker 1>also know basically nothing about her early life, and we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know who her mother was. It's possible that Hypatia

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<v Speaker 1>had a brother named Epiphanius. His name crops up in

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<v Speaker 1>some of her father's writings, but he might have just

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<v Speaker 1>been a favorite student of her father's. The translation could

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<v Speaker 1>really go either way. Hypatia's father, Theon, was also a

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<v Speaker 1>mathematician and astronomer, and he was the last known member

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<v Speaker 1>of the Alexandrian Museum. This museum was not a building

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<v Speaker 1>of exhibits and collections as we would think of a

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<v Speaker 1>museum today. It was more akin to a university or

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<v Speaker 1>a research center, and it also housed the Fame Library

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<v Speaker 1>at Alexandria, which contained about half a million scrolls, including

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<v Speaker 1>Aristotle's entire personal collection, archives of Greek plays, original editions

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<v Speaker 1>of scholarly writings, et cetera. And when people came to

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<v Speaker 1>the library, they would copy any scrolls they had with

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<v Speaker 1>them and leave them there. Most of the physical buildings

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<v Speaker 1>that made up the museum were actually destroyed by two

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<v Speaker 1>seventy two, and it's unclear exactly when the library was destroyed,

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<v Speaker 1>but its work in preservation and education actually continued for

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<v Speaker 1>quite a while after that. Yes, there was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of destruction and rebuilding and moving things around, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little unclear exactly when all of those buildings. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the title way, it's really fuzzy, yes, but the work

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<v Speaker 1>that the museum was doing in terms of educating people

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<v Speaker 1>and preserving knowledge did continue on for quite a while

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<v Speaker 1>after the buildings were probably also all gone. Theon's own

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<v Speaker 1>work was also really about preservation and teaching. Euclid's works

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<v Speaker 1>survived in part thanks to Theon's efforts. One of Euclid's

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<v Speaker 1>most important and influential works was called Elements, and until

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteenth century, the only edition of this book that

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<v Speaker 1>existed was Theon's edition. Theon also wrote commentaries on some

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<v Speaker 1>of Ptolemy's works. These were basically copies of the original

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<v Speaker 1>piece with explanations and additional notes. So while Theon wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>like a groundbreaking new mathematician coming up with all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of new mathematical concepts. He was really preserving ideas of

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<v Speaker 1>earlier mathematicians and making sure that they survived for later

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<v Speaker 1>generations still learn from. So he's the first archivist, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not the first, but that was really what his

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<v Speaker 1>work was all about. Yeah, Theon and Hypatia also work together.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually possible that book three of his commentary on

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<v Speaker 1>Ptolemy's Alma Jest, which is a thirteen volume astronomical manual,

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<v Speaker 1>was really written by Hypatia. His inscription says it was

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<v Speaker 1>quote prepared by her. So yes, it's a little unclear

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<v Speaker 1>whether she did the actual writing on it. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>possible that writing of hers exists, but we don't really

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<v Speaker 1>know this was really hers or her father's, or how

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<v Speaker 1>exactly she was involved in creating it. Yeah, the attribution

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<v Speaker 1>is not absolute on that one. Right, when Theon died,

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<v Speaker 1>he was regarded as the world's foremost mathematician, and after

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<v Speaker 1>his death that distinction passed on to his daughter. She

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<v Speaker 1>continued on with his tradition of teaching and preserving mathematical

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge and writing her own books and commentaries, and in

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<v Speaker 1>point of fact, according to historical accounts, Hypatia far surpassed

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<v Speaker 1>her father's accomplishments. She was said to be profoundly intelligent.

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<v Speaker 1>She was articulate, prudent, community minded, and atop it all

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<v Speaker 1>off apparently also beautiful. Yeah, full package. Socrates Scholasticus, also

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<v Speaker 1>known as Socrates of Constantinople, not the classical philosopher Socrates,

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<v Speaker 1>a different person with the same name, described her this

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<v Speaker 1>way quote. There was a woman at Alexandria named Hypatia,

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<v Speaker 1>daughter of the philosopher Theon, who had made such attainments

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<v Speaker 1>in literature and science as to far surpass all the

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<v Speaker 1>philosophers of her own time. Having succeeded to the school

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<v Speaker 1>of Plato and Platinus, she explained the principles of philosophy

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<v Speaker 1>to her auditors, many of whom came from a distance

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<v Speaker 1>to receive her instructions. On account of the self possession

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<v Speaker 1>and ease of manner which she had acquired in consequence

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<v Speaker 1>of the cultivation of her mind, she not infrequently appeared

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<v Speaker 1>in public in presence of the magistrates. Neither did she

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<v Speaker 1>feel abashed and coming to an assembly of men for

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<v Speaker 1>all men, on account of her extraordinary dignity and virtue

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<v Speaker 1>admired her, the more high praise. She was extremely highly respected. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there are many people who, for one reason or another

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<v Speaker 1>did not like her that those reasons also often boiled

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<v Speaker 1>down to religion, but even zo like, the praise of

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<v Speaker 1>her mind and her ability and her presentation is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much universal among all accounts. If only everyone could enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>such delights, I know, I mean, that's really that's incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>high praise. I can't think of a single like public

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<v Speaker 1>figure now that you could say that. Of right, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no one that's universally like everyone respects them, even if

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<v Speaker 1>they disagree with them. There's always some you know, ra

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<v Speaker 1>ra about the whole thing, right anyway. We also know

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<v Speaker 1>from surviving letters that Hypatia had the skill and knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>to craft scientific devices like astrolabes and what was called

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<v Speaker 1>a hydroscope. Although we're not sure what the hydroscope did exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>we just know there was a thing called that, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and that had to do with astronomy, and that she

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<v Speaker 1>could figure out how to make one. Primary sources almost

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<v Speaker 1>unanimously describe her as never marrying and leading an entirely

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<v Speaker 1>celibate life, so much so that the one reference that

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<v Speaker 1>does exist to her having a husband named Isidorus is

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<v Speaker 1>mostly written off as an error today. There was also

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<v Speaker 1>a historical person named Isidorus, but he died before she lived.

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<v Speaker 1>She was definitely not married to that guy. Like there

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<v Speaker 1>has been no other candidate for who this Isidorus might

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<v Speaker 1>have been. So pretty much all the scholars who look

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<v Speaker 1>at all of this think that, like that was one

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<v Speaker 1>person's error in writing a biography of her, because everyone

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<v Speaker 1>else right, And we do know that those kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>errors happen in transcription when people are copying down records

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<v Speaker 1>into other books and stuff. It happens all the time

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<v Speaker 1>in history. Yes, that's part of sort of unraveling history.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of the time is figuring out which accounts

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<v Speaker 1>are factual and which ones are either embellished or accidentally incorrect.

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<v Speaker 1>Right from the early encyclopedia known as the Suda, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a quote that says she was so very beautiful and

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<v Speaker 1>attractive that one of those who attended her lectures fell

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<v Speaker 1>in love with her. He was not able to contain

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<v Speaker 1>his desire, but he informed her of his condition. Ignorant

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<v Speaker 1>reports say Hypatia relieved him of his disease by music,

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<v Speaker 1>but truth proclaims that music failed to have any effect.

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<v Speaker 1>She brought some of her female rags and threw them

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<v Speaker 1>before him, showing him the sign of her unclean origin,

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<v Speaker 1>and said, you love this, o youth, and there is

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<v Speaker 1>nothing beautiful about it. His soul was turned away by

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<v Speaker 1>shame and surprise at the unpleasant sight, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>brought to his right mind. I love this story so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I both love it and have that. You know, Hi, Patia,

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<v Speaker 1>You're so smart. Why are you got to hate this

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<v Speaker 1>thing about yourself? Well, and that one of the books

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<v Speaker 1>that I read about Hypatia did get into that about

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<v Speaker 1>how to a modern woman's ear? Yeah, you do, kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you look historically at the world of women's

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<v Speaker 1>bodies and women's physiology, even at the time that like

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<v Speaker 1>a girl's first period was sometimes viewed as a magical thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So this whole story may be more about power than

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<v Speaker 1>about look how gross this is? Yeah. Well, And she

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<v Speaker 1>also was moving in circles that were almost entirely males,

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<v Speaker 1>so that probably informed her view on things. I were

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<v Speaker 1>in Highpatia's shoes, and I wanted a dude to get

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<v Speaker 1>away from me. That might be a thing that might

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<v Speaker 1>be a weapon at my disposal. Yeah. Sadly, Hypatia lived

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<v Speaker 1>at a time when the intellectual life in which she

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<v Speaker 1>so obviously excelled was quickly crumbling into hearing, and her

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<v Speaker 1>life and her accomplishments are often overshadowed by her death,

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<v Speaker 1>and understanding how that came to be requires some understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of what was going on politically and socially in Alexandria

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. The Greek city of Alexandria had been

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<v Speaker 1>founded in Egypt during the reign of Alexander the Great

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<v Speaker 1>about six hundred years before Hypatia's birth in three point

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one BCE. It really quickly became a renowned place

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<v Speaker 1>of learning, knowledge, literature, and culture. It was really one

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<v Speaker 1>of the great intellectual centers of the world. Ptolemy was

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<v Speaker 1>Alexandria's founder and first ruler, and Ptolemy sort of co

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<v Speaker 1>opted the Egyptian god Serapis, which was a god of

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<v Speaker 1>the underworld, as a son god to be worshiped in Alexandria,

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<v Speaker 1>and he built a temple to him. That temple will

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<v Speaker 1>be important in just a bit. Rome annexed Alexandria in

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<v Speaker 1>eighty BCE, and it continued to be governed by the

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<v Speaker 1>Pharaohs until Cleopatra's death fifty years later, Although it became

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<v Speaker 1>governed by Rome at this point, Alexandria really continued to

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<v Speaker 1>be a heavily Greek city with very Greek traditions and culture.

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<v Speaker 1>Before the advent of Christianity, both Pagans and Jews lived

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<v Speaker 1>in Alexandria, and Christianity was introduced to Alexandria very early

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<v Speaker 1>in the religion's history. The Apostle Mark founded the first

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<v Speaker 1>Christian church in Alexandria in the year forty eight, and

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<v Speaker 1>Christianity spread over the next few hundred years, becoming the

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<v Speaker 1>dominant and eventually official religion of the Roman Empire. By

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<v Speaker 1>the time Hypatia was born, things were not going well

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<v Speaker 1>in Alexandria. Christianity, Judaism, and Paganism, which was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a blanket characterization for people who were neither Christian nor Jewish,

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<v Speaker 1>they were not coexisting harmoniously. There was really a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of hostility among the religions, and the Roman Empire at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time was in decline. On top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing civil wars were leading to the destruction of Alexandria's

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<v Speaker 1>life and other important buildings, and all of the knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>that they contained. In three hundred and sixty four, the

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<v Speaker 1>Roman Empire split into the Eastern and Western Empires, and

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<v Speaker 1>Alexandria became part of the Eastern Empire, and life there

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<v Speaker 1>started to go rather sharply downhill. There was constant conflict

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<v Speaker 1>between the people of different religions and philosophies, and the

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<v Speaker 1>civil government was constantly at odds with the leadership of

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<v Speaker 1>all of these various religions, so it was really just

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<v Speaker 1>a hotbed and a morass of anger and dismay so much,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was also internal strife within Christianity as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Was still a relatively new religion at this point, and

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<v Speaker 1>some people were considering some views to be orthodox and

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<v Speaker 1>others heretical. Without getting into too long of a digression

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<v Speaker 1>on the particulars, the Orthodox Christians were the ones who

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<v Speaker 1>believed everything outlined in the Nicene Creed, which was originally

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<v Speaker 1>drafted in the Council of Nicea in three twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>The quote heretical Christians disagreed with one or more of

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<v Speaker 1>the specific tenants that's laid out in the Nicene Creed.

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<v Speaker 1>The Nicing Creed was further revised and expanded over the

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<v Speaker 1>next one hundred and twenty five years and it's still

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<v Speaker 1>one of the major statements of orthodox faith in Christianity today.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was really huge strife within Christianity between the

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<v Speaker 1>people who believed all of the Nicing Creed and the

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<v Speaker 1>people who took issue with one or more parts of it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a heretic by virtue of disagreeing with one part

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Basically, that was pretty much what was going on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a pretty black and white split. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and the nicing Creed was basically set down as in

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<v Speaker 1>the official this is what we believe statement. That's basically

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<v Speaker 1>what it is. And so the people who did not

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<v Speaker 1>believe in one of those things were viewed with all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of like heretical anger, suspicion, and confision and contempt

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<v Speaker 1>are totally what was going on. In three ninety one,

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<v Speaker 1>the emperor ordered that all pagan temples be destroyed. Theophilis,

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<v Speaker 1>the archbishop, carried these orders out and he destroyed the

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<v Speaker 1>Temple to Syrapus that Ptolemy had built, which at this

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<v Speaker 1>point was being used to house the last remnants of

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<v Speaker 1>the museum's work. Most scholars really mark this as the

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<v Speaker 1>final nail in the museum's coffin, like this was really

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<v Speaker 1>the end of that institution. Yeah, that appears to be

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<v Speaker 1>when the work of the museum ceased, even though the

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<v Speaker 1>buildings themselves were pretty much gone before that. In four twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>Theophilus's nephew, Cyril, who later became Saint Cyril of Alexandria,

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<v Speaker 1>succeeded him as the archbishop. Cyril was even less tolerant

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<v Speaker 1>of other religions than his uncle had been, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was constantly fighting with Arrestes, who was the Prefect basically

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<v Speaker 1>Alexandria's governor, and Arrestes was also Christian, but he was

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<v Speaker 1>a more tolerant flavor of Christian than Saint Cyril was.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, tensions in Alexandria, which had already been

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<v Speaker 1>high yeah for many years at this point, really started

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<v Speaker 1>to escalate. And then two years later, a group of

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish extremists massacred a number of Christians by setting fire

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<v Speaker 1>to one of the major churches in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the night and then slaughtered the Christians who came to

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<v Speaker 1>try to put out the fire. In response, Cyril decided

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<v Speaker 1>to drive the Jews out of Alexandria, and riots immediately followed.

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<v Speaker 1>Attempts at reconciliation failed, and tensions between Cyril and the

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<v Speaker 1>Christians versus Arrestes and the secular government just got worse

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<v Speaker 1>and worse. At one point, a monk named Ammonius tried

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<v Speaker 1>to kill Arrestes by throwing a stone at his head

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<v Speaker 1>during a brawl. Ammonius was then arrested and tortured to

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<v Speaker 1>death over the objections of a lot of his followers.

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<v Speaker 1>Cyril canonized Ammonius, which sort of implicated him in this

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<v Speaker 1>whole assassination attempt. This did not reflect well on Cyril,

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<v Speaker 1>and Arrestes came out looking like the victor in the

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<v Speaker 1>whole situation. So, to bring it all back to Hypatia,

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<v Speaker 1>we knew, or we know that Hypatian Arrestes knew one another.

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<v Speaker 1>Arrestes often came to her for advice and counsel, so

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<v Speaker 1>in the aftermath of the dispute between Cyril and Arrestes,

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<v Speaker 1>Hypatia apparently became something of a target for Christian zealots.

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<v Speaker 1>She was also a Neoplatonist, so she fell under that

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<v Speaker 1>broad pagan umbrella and was consequently a target for persecution.

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<v Speaker 1>Right she apparently didn't write down a lot of her

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<v Speaker 1>philosophical writing. She lectured a lot, but didn't record a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of that in writing, so we don't know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the particulars of what her beliefs were. That

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<v Speaker 1>everyone pretty much agrees that she was a neoplatonist, and

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<v Speaker 1>since she got lumped in with the bigger quote pagan group,

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<v Speaker 1>sorting out any of it is probably a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>yeah of a trick. Yeah, So, in March of four

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen or possibly four sixteen, during Lent, a mob of

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<v Speaker 1>Christian zealots led by a man named Peter the Lector,

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<v Speaker 1>attacked the carriage that Hypatia was traveling in. They pulled

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<v Speaker 1>her out of it and dragged her into a nearby church,

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<v Speaker 1>and once there they stripped her naked and beat her

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<v Speaker 1>to death with roof tiles. After that, they dismembered her

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<v Speaker 1>body and burned the pieces. We'll just let that sit

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<v Speaker 1>for a minute. Yeah, it's so gruesome and savage. It's

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<v Speaker 1>gruesome and savage, and it's like all of the accounts,

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<v Speaker 1>some of them kind of used different words for what

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<v Speaker 1>was used to beat her to death, but the account

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty much the same in all the historical sources. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Mathematics Professor Ari Blanki theorizes a more specific cause for

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<v Speaker 1>the mob's targeting of Hypatia that it actually had to

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<v Speaker 1>do with when to celebrate Easter, which according to the

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<v Speaker 1>First Council of Nicea, falls on the first Sunday after

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<v Speaker 1>the first full moon on or after the spring equinox.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks to its astronomical tradition, Alexandria was responsible for setting

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<v Speaker 1>the exact dates for Easter, which the rest of Rome followed.

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<v Speaker 1>But Blanki speculates that Hypatia calculated that the equinox would

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<v Speaker 1>fall on a different date than the one Alexandria was

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<v Speaker 1>actually using, which would embarrass the Alexandrian Church and cause

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<v Speaker 1>it to lose face before the rest of Rome. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's really much more of an astronomy intrigue story from

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<v Speaker 1>that point of view, right, And that is one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things that I can see where we would get

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<v Speaker 1>to that conclusion, but it's not something that is actually

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<v Speaker 1>cited in any of the historical sources. But Alexandria and

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of Rome did celebrate Easter on two completely

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<v Speaker 1>different dates, yeah, in four seventeen. So if this did,

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<v Speaker 1>if it was a precursor, that seems to be a

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<v Speaker 1>little piece of evidence but it's not something that's actually

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<v Speaker 1>referenced in historical sources. Yeah, it's like a piece together.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a fairly well thought out theory based on circumstantial evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>yet there's no hard case file on it. Right, And

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of what the root cause was for Hypatia to

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<v Speaker 1>be targeted, the general consensus today is also that Saint

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<v Speaker 1>Cyril as he later became, was not directly involved in

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<v Speaker 1>her death, but that his actions did really inflame the

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<v Speaker 1>tensions that led up to it. After Hypatia's death, the

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<v Speaker 1>tradition of education and knowledge in Alexandria pretty much died out.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of what remains of the scholarly traditions of Alexandria

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<v Speaker 1>we have is thanks to the Arabs, who captured Alexandria

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<v Speaker 1>roughly two hundred years after all of this was over,

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<v Speaker 1>and many of the Greek documents that still exist are

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<v Speaker 1>in the form of translations into Arabic. Yes, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not that suddenly everyone was stupid after Hypatia died, but

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<v Speaker 1>she had really been, at that point the keystone in

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<v Speaker 1>this intellectual tradition, and once she died, there was not

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<v Speaker 1>an immediate new person to take over. And based on

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<v Speaker 1>what the climate was like socially and politically in Alexandria

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<v Speaker 1>at that point, other cities easily moved into like into

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<v Speaker 1>a higher rung of you know, what's the smartest place, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was not a good time to be a

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<v Speaker 1>scholar in Alexandria anymore. In the words of the poet

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<v Speaker 1>Palladus of Alexandria, writing in the fourth or fifth century,

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<v Speaker 1>quote revered Hypatia ornament of learning, stainless star of wise teaching.

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<v Speaker 1>When I see THEE and thy discourse, I worship THEE

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<v Speaker 1>looking on the starry house of the Virgin, for thy

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<v Speaker 1>business is in heaven. So pretty huh. It's a lovely

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<v Speaker 1>memorial to her. Yeah, she comes up frequently in lists

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<v Speaker 1>of important women in science and philosophy. Yeah, well she should. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so as we said before, there, you know, there were

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<v Speaker 1>certainly female scholars before Hypatia, but she was the first, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the Western world, truly famous female scholar about

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<v Speaker 1>whom we have a pretty large amount of information. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I love her. It is not surprising at all that

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<v Speaker 1>now there are you know, there are journals, academic journals

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