1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. This is the Bloomberg 2 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: Daybreak podcast, avaiable every morning on Apples, Spotify or wherever 3 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: you listen. It's Monday, the ninth of September in London. 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: I'm Caroline Hepka and. 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today. Stocks drop as traders 6 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: turn their attention to worries over jobs and economic growth. 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: The UK Prime Minister doubles down on cutting the winter 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: fuel allowance as pressure increases on government spending. 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: Plus an eight billion pound warning to UK boardrooms. Why 10 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: as does equal pay fight with its workers could have 11 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: far reaching implications. 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: Worse than expected economic data is fueling concerns of a 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: broader global economic slowdown, as concerned shifts from inflation to growth. 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: Friday's weaker than expected US jobs data has added the 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: view that the country's labor market is cooling and sent 17 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: stocks reeling. Federal Reserve Governor Christopher Waller says the Central 18 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: Bank now needs to ensure its strategy. But speaking to 19 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's David Goura at the Texas Tribune Festival, Treasury Secretary 20 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 2: Janet Yellen says she's not yet worried overall. 21 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 3: I would see for the US the kinds of metrics 22 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 3: that we would monitor that would summarize risks, whether it's 23 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 3: asset valuations or the degree of leverage. Things look good, 24 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 3: they're not. I don't see rid lights flashing. 25 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: Janney Ellen speaking there a day after US equity has 26 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 2: capped the biggest weekly sell off since the March twenty 27 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: twenty three regional banking crisis. 28 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: Traders will be keeping a close eye on US inflation 29 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: data to come this week, as worries mount that the 30 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: FED has waited too long to cut rights. It's a 31 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: sentiment now being acknowledged by policymakers, including the FED Governor 32 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: Christopher Waller. 33 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 4: I believe that the balance of risk has shifted toward 34 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 4: the employment side of our dual mandate, and that monetary 35 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 4: policy needs to adjust accordingly. The current batch of data 36 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 4: no longer requires patients, it requires action. 37 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: Waller says he is open minded about the potential for 38 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: a bigger rate card and would advocate for one if appropriate. 39 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: The focus on the US rate policy and growth comes 40 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: as Japan's economy expanded at a slightly lower than expected 41 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: two point nine percent in the second quarter, adding to 42 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: concerns over a broader slowdown in key economies. 43 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: US presidential hopeful Donald Trump is promising a one hundred 44 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: percent tariff for countries that shun the US dollar. The 45 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: Republican nominee PLEDs to make it too costly for countries 46 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: to shift away from using the currency. During a speech 47 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: at a campaign event in Wisconsin, Trump told crowds at 48 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: the event that the US dollar has been under quote 49 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: major siege for eight years. While dollar dominance has lessened 50 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: in recent decades, the US currency still accounts for fifty 51 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: nine percent of official foreign exchange reserves. In the first 52 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: quarter of twenty twenty four, according to the International Monetary. 53 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: Fund, China's deflation risk is rising, marking the latest threat 54 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: to its growth prospects. The country's consumer price index rose 55 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: by zero point six percent from a year earlier, according 56 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: to the National Bureau of Statistics. That's compared to a 57 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: zero point seven percent forecast. Goldman Sachs is Chief China 58 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: economist Hui Shan says things might be even worse than 59 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: the data illustrates. 60 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 5: I would argue the CPI printero maybe is even weaker 61 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 5: than the numbers are showing because the month of August 62 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 5: we got a booster from food prices, the inclement weather conditions, 63 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 5: the higher vegetable prices that boosted a CPI. But despite 64 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 5: the booster from food prices, we're getting zero point six percent. 65 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: Goldman sax is hu is Shan speaking. Their weak consumption 66 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: and investment demand have led to intense price wars in 67 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: China and have dented China's chances of hitting its growth 68 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: goal of about five percent. 69 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: Here in the UK, pensioners are likely to see a 70 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: five hundred pounds bump in their benefits next year. It's 71 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: a boost that the government helps will diffuse a row 72 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 2: over the cut to their winter fuel subsidies. Woomberg Exchange. 73 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: Wilcock has more. 74 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 6: The government are pointing out the pensions are tied to 75 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,799 Speaker 6: the triple lock, meaning they could go up four percent 76 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 6: when rage data is finalized. That money would more than 77 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 6: make up for the three hundred pound lump sum the 78 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 6: elderly are set to lose. But that hasn't prevented the 79 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 6: anger at the cuts, with Prime Minister Kiss Starmer having 80 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 6: to defend the move over the weekend. 81 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 7: I'm determined that we will take the tough decisions because 82 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 7: the change which has improved living standards, people feeling better off, 83 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 7: better public services, dealing with crime and immigration and issues 84 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 7: like that. That change will only happen if we fix 85 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 7: the foundations now, and that's why I'm determined to do 86 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 7: it tough. Though I know it is. 87 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 6: Armour's party will almost certainly win a vote on the 88 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 6: policy later today given their massive majority, but the UK 89 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 6: Press report many backbenches plan to rebel. It's a sign 90 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 6: of more trouble ahead. With a stretch budget and multiple 91 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 6: government departments saying they're in crisis, chansfer Rachel Reeves will 92 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 6: have to make more tough decisions that could risk party unity. 93 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 6: In London, James Wilcock Bloomberg Radio, the. 94 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: US Sector of State Anthony blink And will arrive in 95 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: the UK later today to begin a two day visit. 96 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: A series of meetings will be held with senior officials, 97 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: which Washington describes as reaffirming the special relationship between the 98 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: two countries. Is understood that Blinker will discuss issues including 99 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: Ukraine and the Middle East, with the Foreign Secretary David Lammy, 100 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: and may also meet with the Prime Minister, Kissed Armap. 101 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: One of Europe's largest banks is ordering its UK employees 102 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 2: to spend more time in the office. The policy will 103 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 2: come into force from next year. Bloombergs tiawa Adebayo has 104 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: the story. 105 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 8: The hybrid way of working, which became popular during the pandemic, 106 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 8: is being steadily rolled back by UK employers. Santander is 107 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 8: the latest firm to place emphasis on its in person 108 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 8: activity as it announces a new policy requiring UK staff 109 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 8: to be on site for twelve days a month. The 110 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 8: Spanish owned bank is clamping down on remote working, mandating 111 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 8: its employees to come to the office one more day 112 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 8: per week, according to a company spokesperson. The announcement comes 113 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 8: just a week after Big four accounting firm Price Waterhouse 114 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 8: Coopers up to its own in office directive to three 115 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 8: days a week two in London. To you, added Bayo 116 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 8: Bloomberg Radio. 117 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: In a moment, we'll bring you up to date on 118 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: the narrative on markets after Friday's job support from the US, 119 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 2: the economic data we've had from China and Japan, and 120 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 2: look ahead to the CPI print in the US later 121 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: this week. Plus, we'll be telling you more about a 122 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 2: hearing which could help determine eight billion pounds of equal 123 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: pay claims in the UK. But another story that cat 124 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 2: are eye this morning for those of us still dreaming 125 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: about the summer as things turn dramatically coulder over the week, 126 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 2: and I found how Americans are replacing Britz as the 127 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 2: top buyer of holiday homes in the Algarve. 128 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 9: Yeah. 129 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: Surprising, isn't it. We've reported a number of times actually 130 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: about just how popular Portugal is, and Sarah Rappaport, Bloomberg's 131 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: Pursuits correspondent, has been writing about this today. 132 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 5: Yeah. 133 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: So this is a trend that's reflected to in the 134 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: tourist numbers. Over a million Americans visited Portugal on the 135 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: first half of twenty twenty four. That's double the twenty 136 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: twenty two figures, and the Portuguese Property Association says that 137 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: around ten percent of foreign home buyers are now from 138 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: the US. Unsurprised in the stronger dollar playing a factor 139 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: there as well, but also the country's digital nomad July 140 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: to live in Portugal if you earn over about three 141 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: thy three hundred euros a month. It's also comparably cheaper 142 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: to buy there than it has places like the French 143 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 2: Riviera or the Greek islands, and the time difference helps 144 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: too because closer to the East coast. 145 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 9: Yeah. 146 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely, But there's a real push and pull between the 147 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: desire for places like Portugal to attract investment or investors 148 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: or new people, especially from the US, and also the 149 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: concerns around over tourism, and Portugal has seen protests over 150 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: the summer, just like a number of other countries in Europe. 151 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 152 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: Interesting story three this morning on Bloomberg dot Com and 153 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 2: on the terminal. Let's turn to the markets now, though. 154 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: Shares in Asia sliding today as investors continue to digest 155 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 2: Friday's US jobs report, which saw fewer jobs created than expected. 156 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: At that the data from Japan showing weaker growth than 157 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 2: economists at forecast, and China's core inflation cooling to the 158 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: weakest in more than three years. Our market's Live strattus 159 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: Mary Nicola joins us now for more. Mary, great to 160 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: have you on. How are you reading the sentiment and 161 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: what we're seeing on Asian markets today? 162 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 9: Yeah, this morning, I think sentiment is pretty jittery, and 163 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 9: the US job market is weakening, but arguably not enough 164 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 9: to give the confidence of a Jumba recut for the 165 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 9: markets and we've seen that in the in the pricing 166 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 9: from the OAS market. But of course adding to that, 167 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 9: just like you touched upon earlier, was the deflation risks 168 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 9: in China, the rising and the weakness and consumption is 169 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 9: becoming more entrenched. And then you've got the two global 170 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 9: pillar of growth facing challenges. So it's almost inevitable that 171 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 9: a lot of these markets are going to struggle this morning. 172 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 9: Also on Friday, you had FED speakers Williams and Waller, 173 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 9: and they failed to give the green light for a 174 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 9: jumbo rate cut at the September meeting. So now that 175 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 9: the Fed is in the blackout period, the market's still 176 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 9: debating is it twenty five or fifty? But I think 177 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 9: the bias is shifting now towards twenty five. 178 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: Interesting, we have USCPI numbers too on Wednesday. How important 179 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: do they now become to the Fed's calculations. 180 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,599 Speaker 9: Yeah, it's interesting now that CPI the jobs market is 181 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 9: out of the way. Now CPI is now back in 182 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 9: focus and it's going to come under scrutiny because we 183 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 9: didn't get that clear signal from the labor market on 184 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 9: whether it's twenty five or fifty. So and of course 185 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 9: we know that at Jackson Hole, Powell put a lot 186 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 9: of the emphasis on what's happening in the labor market. 187 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 9: So but the thing is, I think one of the 188 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 9: key things from the Friday report was that average hourly 189 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 9: earnings were up in August, and I think that could 190 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 9: suggest that inflation battle maybe is not done yet. So 191 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 9: I think any upside surprise on inflation will just worsen 192 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 9: sentiment as it will almost guarantee just a more cautious 193 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 9: approach from the Fed. 194 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: Of course, Mary, it's not just the US that we're 195 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 2: focused on, as well as stories of weakening growth coming 196 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 2: out of China and out of Japan today too, and 197 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 2: we do have another central bank decision coming up from 198 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: the BOJ the day after the FED. 199 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 9: In fact, yeah, I think that the Japan numbers were 200 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 9: actually despite the downward revision, I think Japan's GDP was 201 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 9: still solid. So private consumption is positive for this first 202 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 9: time since Q one of twenty twenty three, you had 203 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 9: business spending. It's also higher after a negative number in 204 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 9: Q one. The GDP deflator, an indication that there's homegrown inflation, 205 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 9: saw its seventh consecutive number in positive territory, so it 206 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 9: shows that that's fully entrenched and these are all positive 207 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 9: signs for the BOJ to take take away with. So 208 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 9: even with the downward revision to GDP, growth is above 209 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 9: its potential, which the BOJ estimates to be about zero 210 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 9: point six percent, and the BOJ looks on track to hike. 211 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 9: It may not be right after the FED, but it 212 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 9: could be later this year, especially because the Fed's rate 213 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 9: cut is likely to ensue some volatility in the markets. 214 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: Okay, something we'll continue to follow. Mary. Thank you so 215 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: much for your time this morning. That has been Bergs 216 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: and Markets Livestrash is Mary Nicola. 217 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 2: The best of supermarket chain ASDA faces a crucial stage 218 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: and its equal pay fight with workers today and what 219 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 2: could form the start of eight billion pounds of claims 220 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 2: against the biggest retailers in the UK. The case over 221 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: the discrepancy and pay for retail and warehouse staff is 222 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 2: being heard at Manchester's employment tribunal today. Are reporter Jack 223 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: Ryan is with us for more details this morning, Jack, 224 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: Good morning. What is the background of this case? 225 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 10: So basically the background to this is that it goes 226 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 10: back about a decade. These workers, these claimants with Asda, 227 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 10: they went to the Employment Tribunal in twenty fourteen, represented 228 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 10: by this prominent law firm Lee Day, which often represents 229 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 10: these kind of cases. And basically the case of the 230 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 10: claimants is that the distribution workers at ASD, the warehouse 231 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 10: workers who were disproportionately men, were earning about one pound 232 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 10: fifty to three pounds more an hour than the mostly 233 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 10: female shop floor retail staff. And so then this case 234 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 10: is being taken under the twenty ten Equality Act, but 235 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 10: it's being taken basically under provisions that are in decades 236 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 10: of British equal pay legislation to seek to basically rectify 237 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 10: this pay discrepancy and receive back pay for the six 238 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 10: years of pay to make up for essentially the difference 239 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 10: between the two wages. 240 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the two groups of claimants seem to be 241 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: arguing that you know that the value of the work 242 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: is roughly the same, basically, lots of procedures around how 243 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: they figured that out. Who do you think would end 244 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: up paying the bill? Though? If the claims are six, yes, well, 245 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: and you're looking lit get have I summarized that correctly 246 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: about the two tropes of claimants? 247 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 10: Yes, I think you're right. So there's five different supermarkets 248 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 10: that are all facing similar claims here, so as does 249 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 10: the one that's the furthest along, and the liability in 250 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 10: that case could be huge. The lawyers say it could 251 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 10: be as big as one point two billion in the 252 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 10: case of Asda, but Tesco also faced a similar claim, 253 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 10: as do Sainsbury's, Morrison's and co Oh. As I said, 254 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 10: the Asda one is the furthest along, who would actually 255 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 10: face the liability? We're not exactly sure now because Walmart 256 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 10: in their annual accounts they say that they have indemnified, 257 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 10: as does current owners the Esid Brothers and TEDR against 258 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 10: a portion of the liability in this case. But we 259 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 10: don't know how big that portion is and so how 260 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 10: big of a liability that Walmart potentially faces. But the 261 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 10: case the hearing up against today in Manchester is really 262 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 10: the key point in this process because today's the point 263 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 10: at which or I should say, over the next couple 264 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 10: of weeks, at the point of which the decision is 265 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 10: going to be made on whether and the work that 266 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 10: was done by the shop floor workers and the distribution 267 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 10: workers was of equal value. And that really is the 268 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 10: key decision for the employment tribunal to make in this case. 269 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 2: So Jack, As you say the hearing starts today, when 270 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: should we be expecting a decision in the ASDA case. 271 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 10: So for this stage of the hearing, it should be 272 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 10: some point in the first half of next year when 273 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 10: the court will decide whether or not these two jobs 274 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 10: were of equal value. And then there'll be the next point, 275 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 10: which will be as there will attempt what's called its 276 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 10: material factor defenses, including they will argue perhaps that the 277 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 10: market rate for the two jobs is different. But what 278 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 10: was very interesting last month is that a similar case, 279 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 10: the first of its kind in the private sector, was 280 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 10: won by retail staff and next against their employer because 281 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 10: of a paid difference between warehouse staff and retail staff. 282 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 10: And in that instance, the market forces argument was not 283 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 10: considered sufficient as a reason to pay more to hoards 284 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 10: to the distribution workers rather than the retail staff. 285 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 286 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 287 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning on Apple, 288 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 289 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: You can also listen live each morning on London Dab Radio, 290 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg Business app and Bloomberg. 291 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: Dot com Our flagship New York station is also available 292 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: on your Amazon Alexa devices. 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