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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Official Jets podcast, The

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Speaker 1: Draft Podcast, presented by PEPSI. We got Dance Biowski on

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Speaker 1: this episode, the director of personnel Operations, which means which

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Speaker 1: means he's involved in a lot, not just on the

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Speaker 1: college side, for a long time. DZ, who I think

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Speaker 1: has been here fourteen seasons now, probably entering his fifteenth

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Speaker 1: season now, he was a coordinator a college scotty, but

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Speaker 1: he added the prose side of things to his duties

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Speaker 1: as well. So Dan's involved in a lot of things

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Speaker 1: here behind the scenes. And Dan, we'll get into this

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Speaker 1: is the guy who is on the horn with the

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Speaker 1: league at the time that the Jets put in the

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Speaker 1: player that they want to select, so high pressure situation,

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Speaker 1: he's always come up clutch. He's the guy in the spotlight.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about the guy's spotlight Draft weekend. We think

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Speaker 1: about Joe Douglas and Rex Ogan and company, But how

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Speaker 1: about d Z. He's taking that name and calling the

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Speaker 1: league or in some cases he's telling the league of

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Speaker 1: trade conditions as well. So he's been doing that for

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Speaker 1: a long time for the Jets. And you know this

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Speaker 1: being on the ground in Indianapolis, one of the things

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Speaker 1: for a long time. One of his busiest weeks of

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Speaker 1: the year was always Indianapolis Combine. But like everybody, this year,

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Speaker 1: a lot of change uh involved in his duties. Um

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Speaker 1: so for the Jets and the rest of the National

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Speaker 1: Football League of SKIP combines and you go right to

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Speaker 1: pro days and pro days are basically coming to an

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Speaker 1: end right now, So that's signaling the real transition that

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Speaker 1: draft is almost here. All right, we're we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: some draft you and I, but first let's hear from

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Speaker 1: Dance Biowski. Dan, thanks for joining us here on the

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Speaker 1: Official Jets Podcast. You know, you wear a lot of

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Speaker 1: hats throughout the course of the season. This is a

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Speaker 1: very busy time of year for you. So how would

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Speaker 1: you describe all the different hats you wear? And what

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Speaker 1: is your role like in the draft and particular sure

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Speaker 1: so in personal operations, you know, we try to do

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Speaker 1: our best to support our scouting department as a whole. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's myself and Christina Wedding, who's our coordinator of personnel OPS,

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Speaker 1: and our goal is really to get our scouts and

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Speaker 1: the rest of our department all the tools they need

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Speaker 1: to be able to evaluate players effectively. You know in

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Speaker 1: the fall. You know, that might mean getting them the

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Speaker 1: information about the schools that they're assigned to, uh, their

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Speaker 1: prospect list, different data on those prospects themselves. And then

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Speaker 1: you know, throughout the year we really you know, support

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Speaker 1: whether that be All Star Games, the combine, are different

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Speaker 1: So you know we get a chance uh together here

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Speaker 1: support a lot of people. Um. So that's that's really

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Speaker 1: the most of it. Speaking of that DZ, A lot

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Speaker 1: of people think data collection means to tiss sticks. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a lot more than that. And UM, what can

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Speaker 1: you tell us as far as that process is concerned,

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Speaker 1: not only your role there, but also who you're connected

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Speaker 1: with inside the organization? Yeah? Sure, So you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: we we collect a lot of data on the prospects,

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Speaker 1: both on the college and pro side, um that we're evaluating.

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Speaker 1: You know, that process starts in just after the draft

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Speaker 1: when we receive the new class from NFS and you

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Speaker 1: know that includes measurable data, UH that initial background information

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Speaker 1: really you know, taking the the ideas we have for

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Speaker 1: You know, we've built uh, really an outstanding scouting system

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Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned the pro days. We spoke to

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Speaker 1: try to make sure that we have coverage UM at everyone. Uh,

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Speaker 1: We want to make sure we gather data on UM.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, our scouts have done a great job getting

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Speaker 1: our system. Well, this year it was different for everybody,

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Speaker 1: But how unique was it for you? Because as Ethan

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Speaker 1: when that combined begins in February. No combine this year,

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Speaker 1: and you were the long time coordinator College Scouting, so

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Speaker 1: You know, Dan, it feels like everyone has mastered, at

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Speaker 1: more easily. Well, let's talk about having your group and

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Speaker 1: you guys are gonna have these final pre draft meetings

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Speaker 1: So the the April draft meeting process, you're really starting

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously through this draft and into into next

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Speaker 1: that will change. Joe Douglas said, there's still a lot

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Speaker 1: of people say three weeks not a lot of time,

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Speaker 1: come like that you're, oh, I wonder what this guy's

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Speaker 1: kind of like or whatever be because we're in the

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Speaker 1: thick of draft season, or and we can kind of

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Speaker 1: combine both of them. Let's go Option one. First, Okay, so,

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Speaker 1: as we kind of wrote about New York Just dot

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Speaker 1: Com over the weekend, I just think that, uh, to

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Speaker 1: your point, he's got the ammo to move up if

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Speaker 1: he wants, you know, if the Jets are targeting a

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Speaker 1: specific player, and how is the board going to fall?

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Speaker 1: Because in this draft, like many that have preceded this

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Speaker 1: selection process, the quarterbacks dictate what's going to happen. And

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Speaker 1: it sure seems right now there's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 1: of quarterbacks taken in the top ten. Yeah. My. The

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Speaker 1: thing that I think of that that I find the

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Speaker 1: when thinking about this draft is tough, is we kind

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Speaker 1: of know what types of players Joe Douglas likes, and

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Speaker 1: we kind of know what types of players Robert Sala

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Speaker 1: likes because you think of the culture, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: works from the inside out on both sides of the ball. Well,

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Speaker 1: what types of traits do running backs in this system have?

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Speaker 1: Wide receivers, tight ends? I mean, we don't know the

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Speaker 1: answers to that on offense or defense. And I think

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Speaker 1: that is the wild card in all of this. So

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Speaker 1: let's say, you know, what's kind of all my mind.

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Speaker 1: If there is a receiver that the Jets like and

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Speaker 1: there's a cluster, what do they value different? Traits wise?

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Speaker 1: We don't know the answer to that. So if there

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Speaker 1: is a player that squeaks out of you know, the

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Speaker 1: top twelve, then you're in the teams. The Jets have

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Speaker 1: the ammo to make that move, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what player they would make the move

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Speaker 1: forward based on traits alone and how high are you

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Speaker 1: gonna go? And the other side of the coin is,

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Speaker 1: let's take last year as an example and Joe Douglas

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Speaker 1: moving down in the second round and obtaining even more

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Speaker 1: picks in the process and still obviously having a group

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Speaker 1: of players in mind, and getting Baylor receiver Denzel Mims

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Speaker 1: after moving down eleven slots in the second round. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think that the other a lot. I think

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Speaker 1: the narrative around Joe right now is that he likes

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Speaker 1: to trade down because of last year. Well, the Jets

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Speaker 1: didn't have the draft capital that they do now at

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Speaker 1: this time last year, right, they only had their their picks.

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Speaker 1: They didn't have the extra one, the extra three. Now

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Speaker 1: they not only have the moves or the ammo to

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Speaker 1: make moves in the first round. I think, really where

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Speaker 1: an interesting conversation is is they have the first pick

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Speaker 1: or the second pick in the second round, they have

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Speaker 1: two third round picks. Maybe if there's a player in

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Speaker 1: the second round that they think they want, they have

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Speaker 1: the ammo to get back into that round. I think

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Speaker 1: that's an interesting thought as well. Yeah, I just think

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have a lot of options. And right now,

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Speaker 1: what we're seeing, what we believe is going to happen,

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Speaker 1: is a lot of quarterbacks, offensive playmakers being taken in

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Speaker 1: the top ten. How many defensive players are gonna be

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Speaker 1: taken in the top ten are we talking to? Are

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Speaker 1: we talking one? And might and might be one? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think and what a lot of people think that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be Caleb, Not Caleb Farley. That's a player I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about Patrick, Sir tan So speaking of Farley,

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Speaker 1: I think this is an interesting conversation point. We we

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Speaker 1: kind of talked about it earlier today when we were

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Speaker 1: recording our Cornerbacks preview on New York test dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Check it out. Caleb Farley was regarded as CB two

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Speaker 1: right behind curtain. Then he gets surgery late in the process,

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Speaker 1: still scheduled to be on time and healthy by the season.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure about training camp, But where does that

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Speaker 1: become a conversation if you're an NFL team. This is

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Speaker 1: now where we see the value to get Caleb Farley

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Speaker 1: and add him to our roster. And what's interesting about

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Speaker 1: him and said he at back surgery. He didn't play

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Speaker 1: in the two thousand twenty season. He just said that

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Speaker 1: procedure recently. If his medical checks out. I think most guys,

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Speaker 1: and you've been talking to Dane throughout the year, and

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Speaker 1: we've been reading other analysts and talking to people, I

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Speaker 1: think most people would say he's a top ten talent.

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Speaker 1: He's six seven pounds ball production. He's a cornerback. Some

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Speaker 1: cornerbacks they have good skills, but the ball production isn't there.

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Speaker 1: This is a guy who takes the ball away four

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Speaker 1: interceptions in two thousand nineteen, six interceptions over the course

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Speaker 1: of his career Virginia Tech. Uh. Some people think he

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Speaker 1: would be really well suited to play in his own system.

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Speaker 1: And everybody's expecting all the Jets are automatically playing cover three,

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Speaker 1: Cover two, They're gonna play some man too. To your

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Speaker 1: point about MICHAELA. Flour like Mike la Fleur last week,

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Speaker 1: I would flip to the other side of the ball too.

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Speaker 1: We have these preconceived notions that saw of ran like

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Speaker 1: exactly like this at these various stops, and Jeff Albrick

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Speaker 1: ran out like this in Atlanta. Well, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: completely unique to the Jets the way they ultimately decided

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Speaker 1: they're gonna run things in the back end this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: with La Fleur in particular. The thing that intrigues me.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people compare maybe what the Jets will

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Speaker 1: run to what the San Francisco forty Niners have run

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Speaker 1: in the past, and I understand it, and that the

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Speaker 1: reason why I'm bringing this up is because of the

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Speaker 1: popularity of a running back in the first or second

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Speaker 1: round to the Jets. In the mock draft circuit. Forty

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Speaker 1: Niners haven't trafted running back since two thousand and seventeen.

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Speaker 1: On the flip side, Michael Floor's brother, Matt Lafloor, runs

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Speaker 1: an offense with Aaron Jones, and they drafted a j.

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Speaker 1: Dillon early last year. So you know where did the

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Speaker 1: Jets fall in terms of system of like approach at

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Speaker 1: the running back position is one of the things I'm

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Speaker 1: most interested in. It's like a microcosm of what the

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Speaker 1: Jets situation is right now. We don't know what kind

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Speaker 1: of offense are gonna run. We have an idea, but

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Speaker 1: we don't know what wrinkles the floor will add or

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Speaker 1: subtract that similar or dissimilar to what Shanahan runs. So

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Speaker 1: the funds side of the ball, I'm gonna flip it

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Speaker 1: to the other side and say that Bryce Hall and

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Speaker 1: Bless Austin, I think both have physical skill sets that

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Speaker 1: would match what we've seen in this system in the past.

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Speaker 1: Um As we sit here and we talk about it

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Speaker 1: every week, there's some questions at Nickel because Brian Poole's

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Speaker 1: out there and Javelyn Guddry did some really good things

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Speaker 1: last year. The Jets have a lot of young quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: on the roster, but you have ten draft picks. You

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Speaker 1: could certainly use a couple of draft picks at the

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Speaker 1: cornerback position. Are you Farley? If he's available at thirty four?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, swam dunk. If his medical checks out, yes, well, well,

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Speaker 1: and what about twenty three, then oh you'd certainly he

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Speaker 1: would certainly big time. Consider that. Here's let me throw

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Speaker 1: another wild card edge. What if Farley and GC Horner there,

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Speaker 1: that would be like a great problem to have, I think.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're at my point on twenty three,

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Speaker 1: just following up quick, he said, I do think there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a There's gonna be a few good football players.

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Speaker 1: There could be a bunch of them, and that's why

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Speaker 1: I think ultimately moving down might be an interesting option

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Speaker 1: once we get there. Yeah, the other thing I'll say,

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Speaker 1: I'm not comparing any player to this player. I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying when you look at the talent in recent years.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to last year, Justin Jefferson, what twenty

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Speaker 1: second overall selection. There's good talent in the twenties there,

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins overall. Well, we just recorded receivers with Dane Brugler,

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Speaker 1: which is why I know both of those guys. I'm

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Speaker 1: not just thinking wide receiver here. Jefferson was amazing last year.

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Speaker 1: You think about that trade, and that's what you want

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Speaker 1: in the National Football League. You want a trade to

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Speaker 1: work out for both sides. The Bills gets fond Days

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Speaker 1: leads the NFL and receptions and receiving yards, and then

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Speaker 1: Minnesota gets this guy Justin Jefferson late in the first round.

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Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. Yeah, that is the epitome of a win. Win.

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Speaker 1: And we're going to continue to break down the draft

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Speaker 1: from every angle. We have a couple of tricks up

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Speaker 1: our sleeve coming up even though the draft is around

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Speaker 1: the corner. Final question, Oh yeah, okay, linebacker. How many

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Speaker 1: linebackers will be taken before? I would say a maximum

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Speaker 1: of two, assuming you think Jeremiah who'su Koramoa plays linebacker,

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Speaker 1: so then yeah, I think it's a maximum of two.

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Speaker 1: I think if if I were and Michael Parsons going first,

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Speaker 1: or do you think I think it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: toss up, but I think I do think Jay Okay

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Speaker 1: could go first. I saw someone put out there that

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Speaker 1: maybe teams aren't as high on Parsons as maybe the

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Speaker 1: media is. But you know, it is smoke screen season,

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Speaker 1: so I think that I think this. I think if

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Speaker 1: you were at twenty three and you were putting the

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Speaker 1: over under, I think the over unders at one and

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Speaker 1: a half before what's over under corners, I'd say the

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Speaker 1: over under is one and a half. I'd say two

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Speaker 1: and a half. Two and a half. Yeah, I mean yeah,

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Speaker 1: by twenty three, So is it certain? And Horn and

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Speaker 1: does Farley squeak in there? Yea Farley's medical checks out.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know how realistic it's gonna be that

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Speaker 1: he'd be there. I think that that might even be

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Speaker 1: crazy talk. It might be crazy talk, but this is

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Speaker 1: what this is what makes the draft fun is the

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Speaker 1: crazy talk. Yeah. I just think that the Jets are

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Speaker 1: in a very favorable position. Not only is hey, we

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Speaker 1: know it's a fair assessment they're taking a quarterback at two,

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Speaker 1: but then what's gonna happen at twenty three? And how

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Speaker 1: is that board gonna fall? And ultimately you probably you

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Speaker 1: let the draft play out and then you start working

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Speaker 1: the calls in both directions because I think Joe's right now,

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Speaker 1: open minded and everything. And with one picks over the

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Speaker 1: next two years, you have a lot of flexibility and

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Speaker 1: you could give up picks without really damaging yourself long term,

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Speaker 1: because I think we've talked to We've spoken to a

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Speaker 1: couple of internal people about it, and they said the

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Speaker 1: Jets basically have three draft classes in the next two picks.

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Speaker 1: Typically you have seven picks a year. Yeah, that the

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Speaker 1: Jets are in a good position this year, next year.

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Speaker 1: It'll be fascinating to see how it all plays out,

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Speaker 1: and like I said, we got some tricks up our

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Speaker 1: sleeves before the draft, hitching a couple of weeks here,

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Speaker 1: so stay tuned to the Draft podcast, presented by Pepsi

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