1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome everyone. This is View from the Raptors, the podcast. 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: This is good news. I would like to be a 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: part of that. I could make it up and you'd 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, that sounds right right, just keep going. 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: I believe Green She'd probably have somebody look at that, 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: all right, everyone. Today's View from the Raptors Behind the 7 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: Scenes with the Boston Celtics is a special edition because 8 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: we not only have the voice of the Celtics for 9 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: the last forty years, but we have someone who is 10 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: fresh off of a selection into the Hall of Fame. 11 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: So first and foremost, Mike Gorman, I just want to 12 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: say congratulations. You are everything that it means to be 13 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: a Celtic. You have been calling these games forever, and 14 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: everyone in New England who's growing up watching these games 15 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: knows exactly who you are. They can associate your voice 16 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: with all of these games and all the memories they've 17 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: grown up with. So congratulations. Yeah, thanks that. It's been 18 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: a remarkable eight of ten days now since I first 19 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: got the word, and it continues to be I continue 20 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: to hear from people that I haven't to have been 21 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: attached with years going back to a Big East day. 22 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: So um, it's really been an interesting experience. May find 23 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: out that you had an effect on people's life that 24 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: you never even dreamed you had had. So, um, it's 25 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: been a crazy ten days or so. I do have 26 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: to ask you them, like how did you find out 27 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: the news that I feel like that's everyone's favorite story 28 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: of how did the phone call happen? Yeah, Terry was 29 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: down in Florida on business and Christina course loves out 30 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: in Arizona now, so um it came at about eight fifteen. 31 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: It was the president of the Hall of Fame, and 32 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: he called and congratulate me that I had been uh 33 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: going to be the recipient of the gaudy would We 34 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: had a briefield conversation up and then I say to myself, well, 35 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 1: christ and I was gonna call because it's like five 36 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. So I kind of walked about 37 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: in circles and just thought about it myself. About an 38 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: hour and a half later, when I thought everybody this player, 39 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: I started making phone calls. Of course Terry and Christian 40 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: were the first two, but yeah, for the first hour, 41 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: so it was just kind of me and the news. 42 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: My favorite part about that story is that you might 43 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: be the only person left on earth who answers a 44 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: phone call from an unknown number. It's a good thing 45 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: you did, that's true. There is a legiterate reason behind that. 46 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: A I don't usually do that. But Mike Green, as 47 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: you all know what, was inducted last week. And Mike 48 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: is a dear friend of mine, so I knew he 49 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: was being inducted, and it was in Springfield. And so 50 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: when the phone right up Springfield on the phone, I 51 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: immediately thought, oh, this is probably gotta be Mike, because 52 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: I had never heard a telemarketer working out in Springfield 53 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: that had my number anyway, so I just assumed it 54 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: was Mike, and uh, it's good I answered the phone. 55 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: It would have been a tough one for them to 56 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: leave as a message. You don't want that as a voicemail. No, no, 57 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: you don't like what You were alone with it for 58 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: that hour. What went through your mind? I mean, the 59 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: fact that you're a kid from Dorchester, you grew up 60 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: sneaking into the Old Garden and now you're going into 61 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: the Nate Smith Basketball Hall of Fame. Yeah I did. 62 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: I just kind of wandered around Abby and had a 63 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: cup of coffee and thought about the last forty years 64 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: and what has been a whole relationship with Tommy. I mean, 65 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: obviously I really wished he was here to see this 66 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: and be part of this. It was a time to 67 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: kind of reminisce and think about times and thinking about 68 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: people who had these effect on your life. You know, you, um, 69 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: you don't know whose life you're affecting, and sometimes things 70 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: happen to change your path. Um. I had a lot 71 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: of good luck taking decisions and was in the right 72 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: place at the right time. I'm glad you said that 73 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: might because that's definitely a topic that we're going to 74 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,399 Speaker 1: talk about later on during this conversation. But you did 75 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: mention already that that you were just you just had 76 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: an influx of text messages and phone calls from hundreds 77 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: of people that you've worked with and been friends with 78 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: over the years. If you had to give an estimate 79 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: of the number of people who call someone like Mike 80 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: Gorman after the news goes out that he gets into 81 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, what is the number of the 82 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: amount of calls and text messages that you've received over 83 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: the last eight or ten days. A couple of d um. 84 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: It allows me to uh have a lot of very 85 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: local response to it. It's it's it's one thing to 86 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: have a guy that you like on the air who's 87 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: from Ohio or something like that. Hamp I'm the local 88 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: guy who have kind of made good. So that's a 89 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: that's kind of cool. Well, Mike, you just mentioned that 90 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: you've had a couple of hundred people reach out to 91 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: you and and we didn't get to talk with all 92 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: of them, but there are a few of them who 93 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: actually wanted to send a message to you right now 94 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: during this podcast with a special message for you. So 95 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: here it is well deserved and overdue. We both came 96 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: to the Celtics in and there have been so many 97 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: amazing memories and you and Tommy, you know, the NB 98 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: have been the mb for the NBA for the last 99 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: forty years. It's been incredible watching you too, and everybody 100 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: in the sports world, not even just the n B 101 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: A thank you for all the excitement and for the 102 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,679 Speaker 1: joy that you have brought to so many and Celtics nation. 103 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for representing the Celtics with so much class incompetence, 104 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: and think you most of all for your friendship. Appreciate it. 105 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: Over the twenty six years that we've been together. This 106 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: is awesome. Hey, my congratulations again on being named the 107 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,559 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. For a person that's only been around 108 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: New England for eight years, it's obvious the impact that 109 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: you've had throughout all of these four decades calling Celtics games. 110 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for everything you've brought to the fans. Thanks for 111 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: everything you've brought to all of us. Look forward to 112 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: celebrating with you when the time is right. Congratulations again, 113 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: Mike Gorman, Hall of Famer. Unbelievable to say that. What 114 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: a richly deserved honor. Congratulations. You know, you're the best 115 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: possible voice of the Celtics that any of us could imagine. 116 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: You take our team and communicate what it means to 117 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: be a Celtic, you know, to the country, into the world, 118 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: and you've helped the Celtics grow over the years. People 119 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: know what it means to be a Celtic and many 120 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: of them know that because of you, and so we 121 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: appreciate it, and I thank you for that. I thank 122 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 1: you for the innumerable hours you've spent traveling to the games, 123 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,559 Speaker 1: doing the games for decades, and I thank you for 124 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: what you and your wife Terry, and your daughter Christen, 125 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: your wonderful family do off the court as well in 126 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: the community. Um I just in every way, you're an icon. 127 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: You're an exemplary person. You're the best and we always 128 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: knew that, and now the Hall of Fame has confirmed it. 129 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: So congratulations Hall of Famer, and thanks for everything, Michael. 130 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: We've had so many courtside adventures together, from Bigg East 131 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: campuses during the n C A a s at the 132 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: Garden as one of your early producers and your biggest 133 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: fan and wife. I couldn't be more proud of you. Congratulations, 134 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: I might. I look so forward to September when the 135 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame honors you for the incredible work they've 136 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: you done for the Celtics and broadcasting over so many years. 137 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: It's just a capstone. We've honored you every day and 138 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: appreciate every day that you spend with the Celtics. You 139 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: are an emblem of Celtics pride, your preparation, your passion 140 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: for the game, your passion for everything Celtics has been 141 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: amazing and your partnership with Tommy and now with Scott 142 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: will live on forever. So I am just so thrilled 143 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: and and and and so happy about all the moments 144 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: we spend together, the Dinners on the road, UM Dinners 145 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: in London. Uh, all all your incredible basketball knowledge and 146 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: the just the incredible class you bring to the game 147 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: and to the fans. Um. This is just a very 148 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: appropriate and incredible honor, and I look forward to seeing 149 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: you in September when you're standing up on that stage. 150 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: We love you, Mike, and uh and and and thanks 151 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: so much for all you do, how you doing it, 152 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: assuming what makes set out to making a Hall of time. Congratulations, love, 153 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: deserve and appreciate everything that you have done, not just 154 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:56,119 Speaker 1: you need sit for this organization. Dad. I am so 155 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: proud of you. You've always been an incredible father, en 156 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: role model. Having seen how hard this business can be, 157 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: I've always admired what grace and kindness you have shown. Congratulations. Yeay, 158 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: Oh Mike, I'm so emotional watching watching you watch that. 159 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: Let's watch my breakdown now that's the next segment. Thank 160 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: you for going to get those market and that's really 161 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: really nice to have a You gotta figure way to 162 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: save all this video for me because I need to 163 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: see that over and over again. We will, I said 164 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: the same thing. We'll send it to Terry and then 165 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: she can get it in no form that you can exactly, 166 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: but I think that's a good place to start. And 167 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: you said it when we began this conversation that one 168 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: of the cool things about this honor is that it 169 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: does kind of bring together the two biggest parts of 170 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: your professional life, and that is the Big East and 171 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: the NBA and the Celtics. And pretty incredible to think 172 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: that you have had a courtside seat for two of 173 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: the most iconic eras in basketball history. What stands out 174 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: to you from those moments and how do you kind 175 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: of put that all into perspective for yourself. I don't 176 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: think I'll ever be able to probably put it into perspective. 177 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: But again, and I'm not I'm not trying to be 178 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: falsely modest here. I was lucky. I was in the 179 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: right place at the right time. I was in Providence, 180 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: Rhode Island, UM when Dave Gabett decided that he's going 181 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: to form the Big East, and I, by virtue of 182 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: a position I had at w p R I t 183 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: V Channel twelve and Providence UM, they had an agreement 184 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: to do five Providence College televised five Providence games a year, 185 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: and I mean this, This is truly how the dominoes 186 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: felled for me. I was doing the sixth, I wasn't 187 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: even doing the six and eleven yet. I was co 188 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: hosting a morning show on w pr OH radio where 189 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: a guy named Salty Briant, who was a marvelous figure 190 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: in Rhode Island radio and had been for like thirty 191 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: forty years. And I mean Salty used to get fifty 192 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: and sixty shares in the book in the morning. I 193 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: mean that's how many people he had listening to him. 194 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 1: I was able to work my way into that shows 195 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: as the sports guy, and then he had a call 196 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: from Channel twelve saying that their weekend guy was leaving. 197 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: When I liked the audition for the weekend job, by 198 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: auditioned for the weekend job, and he got it and 199 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: literally had the weekend job for two weeks when the 200 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 1: Monday to Friday guy he gave his notice to take 201 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: a job in Orlando. So now I'm working in Providence 202 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: and I'm doing six to ten in the morning, co 203 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: hosting the largest, the most popular radio show in Providence, 204 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: and then I'm doing the six and eleven o'clock sports 205 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: on Channel twelve every night seven nights a week. I 206 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: was ea, turn on the TV. Chances aft you gotta 207 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: show up with me in one form or another. So 208 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: um that that really helped a lot in terms of 209 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: my recognition in Rhode Island. So when it came time 210 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: to do the PC games Province College Games, I was 211 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: a natural choice. And that's where I probably made the 212 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: truly the decision that changed my whole life. Was we 213 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: had that five game package to do Providence College basketball, 214 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: and we didn't have a color guy. And we were 215 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: in a meeting one day to trying to figure out 216 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: who's gonna be the analyst, and it's a general manager 217 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: of the program director and the news director and they're 218 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: trying to their name and all these names of former 219 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: Providence College players. And said, hey, why don't we just 220 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: go for it? Trust you wouldn't get Tom Heinson. And 221 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, Tommy Heinson wouldn't want to work here. 222 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: He would want to drive down from Boston New Games. 223 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, you never know unless you try, 224 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: so um, you know, these these are the days that 225 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: you could make a phone call to someplace and you 226 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: actually go through to the person. You don't have to 227 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: go through nine layers. So I just called the Celtics 228 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: and asked for Tommy's number and they said, sure, here 229 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: it is. They gave me Tommy's number and I dialed it. 230 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: Next thing, I got Tommy on the phone, UM, and 231 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: I tell him who I am, and we've got a 232 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: five game package. Would he be interested? And he he said, 233 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: why don't we have lunch? So I drive up to 234 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: Boston and I have lunch and I get a oral 235 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: agreement from Tommy that he will do the five games 236 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: provided I buy an insurance policy for him, which at 237 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 1: the time he was he was selling insurance. So I 238 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: bought the insurance policy to get him into the color 239 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: seat next to me, and then tells me that was 240 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: worth it in the long run, that question some of 241 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: the best money I've ever invested. Um. And uh so 242 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: what we did the five games together? We got along 243 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: really well. And then Mark, you remember this app. I 244 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: think you were on the West coast. But uh group 245 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: called Prism came in and they were the first ones 246 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: to own the rights to the Celtics outside of the 247 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: away games, which were belonging to a radio station and 248 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,599 Speaker 1: a TV station Boston at the time, so that the 249 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: home games were never televised, and this was gonna be 250 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: paid cable. This is getting into the whole new era. 251 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: And so they immediately went to Tommy to be the 252 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: color guy. And they said to Tommy, who should be 253 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: the play by play guy? And he said, oh, yeah, 254 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: all right, this guy I worked with in Providence, he's 255 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: pretty good. So um, Tommy, we paid the favor in 256 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: spades and got me the job basically beside him, and 257 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: then the rest is kind of history. After that, Yeah, 258 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: the rest is history. I want to talk to you 259 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: about that relationship, and it's just so special to know that. 260 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: Obviously Tommy is not in as a broadcaster. We know 261 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: that you're gonna fight for that with every part of 262 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: your being moving forward, but you are going to be 263 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: both in the Hall of Fame together, which I just 264 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: think is so special and so deserved and so perfect 265 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: after forty years together. What was it about your relationship 266 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: that that made you guys so special as a tandem 267 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: on the air together. Well, I think what brought a 268 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: chemistry very quickly along so that we had chemistry very 269 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: fast was Tommy never wanted to do the things that 270 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: that I do on the air, which is give you 271 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: the score, give you that, how much time was left 272 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: to give you, how many followers it was on that 273 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: guy who's coming in the game, who's going out of 274 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: the game. He never wanted to deal with any of that. 275 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: He just wanted to deal with the analysis of what 276 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: was happening on the court. And I was smart enough 277 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: to realize that I probably should sit back and listen 278 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: to this guy who's got seven or world championships as 279 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: a player and two more as a coach, um and 280 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: let him just be the analyst and talk about what's 281 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: happening in the referees calls and blah blah blah and 282 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: and all the stuff that was Tommy Hinson so um 283 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: right from the very beginning. I remember listening back to 284 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: the first tape that we ever did together of the Celtics, 285 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: and I was, I was stunned at the at the 286 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: timing we we just had. We never stepped on each other, 287 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: because again Tommy never wanted to do. But you know, 288 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: as soon as Paul Lucy said in the headphones, you 289 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: know we're going to break, Tommy, just shut up, and 290 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: you want to throw at the break. You want to 291 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,599 Speaker 1: be with great at all. So I would just I 292 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: would fill it in and get us to break and 293 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: coming back from Tommy didn't want to deal with that 294 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: at all, so I would I would bring his back 295 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: from break. So I was kind of the setup guy 296 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: more or less um for Tommy. And that's what Tommy 297 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: wanted to work with, was a setup guy. He didn't 298 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: want a guy necessarily sitting next to HI who had opinions, 299 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: and so I became that guy. You did have to 300 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: take a bit of friendly fire for Tommy though, right 301 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: sitting next to him for forty years, elbows flying, and 302 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: I mean there were you guys got into some pretty 303 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: sticky situations on the road as well, right, you know, 304 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: he had a lot had a lot of situations on 305 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: the road that were very interesting. Mostly I can't even 306 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: relate on a podcast, but oh, this is behind the 307 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: scenes with the Boston Celtics, Mike, you can definitely go 308 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: into that if you want to. Yeah, But Tommy was funny. 309 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: He he hadn't been on the road in a long time, 310 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: and so when we first went on the road, he 311 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: kind of put him in charge of like, well, where 312 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: do we go, but where do we have donnage or not? 313 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: You know, all these NBA cities where do we go? 314 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: And so let's say that there were some places that 315 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: no doubt we're great eight to ten years ago. Now 316 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: after he raved about it all the way over the cab, 317 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: we were trying, as I was, in some dives where 318 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: that wasn't quite what he used to be that ten 319 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: or fifteen years ago. So after about one or two 320 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: tips through the league, we decided to take that responsibility 321 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: away from Tommy. Your name where we went to eat, 322 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: and we put that on Zach graphics guy, who was 323 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: really good at it, and so he held a job 324 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: for about the next twenty years. Tommy again, we just 325 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: we we liked each other. We liked each other off 326 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: the year. We didn't hang around together that much off 327 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: the year, which I think it was was a key 328 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: to our relationship because it wasn't like we were constantly 329 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: with each other. We were during the season, we were 330 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: with each other five six nights a week for about 331 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: three or four hours. But during the off season, if 332 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: I talked to Tommy three times over the period of June, July, 333 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: August in early September, when we get back, it would 334 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: be a lot um. And once he stopped playing golf, 335 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: we we really stopped communicating on a lot of levels. 336 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: So um again, when we got back together again, we 337 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: had a common goal. As soon as we sat down 338 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: at that table, I knew how I wanted to be, 339 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: He knew how he wanted to be, and we were 340 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: both comfortable with each other's image of themselves. So yeah, 341 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: that lent to chemistry right away, and lent to uh, 342 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: he and I having a long relationship. For me, Tommy 343 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: likes to say, you know, we have many other forty years, 344 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: we've only had one fight and it's not over yet. Um. 345 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: But we really did not have and if many arguments. 346 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: I remember one time and in Orlando we had a 347 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: really bad kind of going at each other over what 348 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: the responsibilities were in the game. But you know, again, 349 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: and I get emotional at me about talking about these 350 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: kind of stories. But we got into a real shouting 351 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: match over over breakfast, and I get up and left 352 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: the table, and and Paul Lucy was wondering how the 353 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: broadcast was going to be there tonight. We're in Orlando, 354 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: And as I came out to get on the bus, 355 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: Tommy's uh standing at the bus so that I do it. 356 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: So I have to go buy him to get on 357 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: the bus and I started to go buy and he 358 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: just grabs me in this big bear hug and he says, 359 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna be all right. Um, we were, you were, 360 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: and you were every single night that you guys broadcast together. 361 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: It's really incredible to hear that you guys weren't next 362 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: to each other every day, talking to each other every 363 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: day during the off season, yet that chemistry always carried through. 364 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: That just seems so special to me that that you 365 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: two had um that chemistry that really could could break 366 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: through anything and carry you through anything and really come 367 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: through to the viewers. Um, no matter what the circumstance 368 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: behind behind the camera. Yeah, I'm sure both of you 369 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: guys could name two or three people. It's probably not 370 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: a big number for me. It's only about if that'sen't five, 371 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: that's for sure who. It doesn't matter how long I 372 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: go in between seeing them. As soon as I see 373 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: him and you're with them, it's like you with them 374 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: two days ago, yesterday. That's the way it was for 375 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: Tommy and I didn't matter if we went four or 376 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: five weeks without talking to each other. As soon as 377 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: we tied to me and talking to each other, it 378 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: was as if we had been together for the last 379 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: so um, those are rare relationships when you can have 380 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: them in to be able to have one both personally 381 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: and professionally was really a thrill for me, especially with 382 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: Tom Einsten, who I grew up watching play basketball, and 383 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: then you got to watch basketball with him. Some of 384 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: the most incredible moments in basketball history, whether it's Larry 385 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: and Magic, Michael Jordan's and then even the two thousand 386 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: eight team. Mike, what are some memories that stand out 387 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: to you basketball wise that, um, you have been a 388 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: part of. It was just it was tough of the 389 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: pros because there's all regular season action and maybe the 390 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: first round of the playoffs because we always had to 391 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: stop broadcasting after the first round of the playoffs, and 392 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: during the eighties especially, that's when things got really good 393 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: because Bird and Company were gonna get to the first 394 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: round easily. So it was usually five games and the 395 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: other team was going at the most. Sometimes it was 396 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: four when they got to play the Lakers and got 397 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: to play Michael. We didn't really get to do much 398 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: of the playoff action. We had some some great moments. 399 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: I know Tommy and I call a sixty yard point 400 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: game that that Michael had against the Celtics and the Garden. 401 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: We did that game. We did the game where Birds 402 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: stole the ball and hit DJ on the card after 403 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: the Isaiah Thomas passed against Detroit. There was a game 404 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: in Portland, overtime game in Portland that didn't involve Tommy 405 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: and Paul, Harry and I. At the time, Carry was 406 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: living in Europe and going to Europe on a postgraduate 407 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: scholarship from school, called and was We had corresponded, We 408 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: had dated briefly before she left, and then we corresponded 409 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: a lot while she was gone. But when she was 410 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: coming back to United States, there was a question whether 411 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: she was gonna stop in Boston and we're gonna see 412 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: whether or not there was a relationship there, or whether 413 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: she was just gonna go back to Pittsburgh, where she 414 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: grew up and where her family lived. And then there's 415 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: no telling how our relationship would have gone on a 416 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: long distance space. So I mean it was really like, 417 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: I'll come to Boston and I'll see how it feels. 418 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: Was was how she was put it in that I'll 419 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: need to get back on another plane to Pittsburgh, or 420 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 1: I'll stick around for a while and we'll see how 421 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: this goes. So it's a Sunday afternoon and she's due 422 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: to revive at three o'clock and we're playing a noontime 423 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: game and the freaking thing goes over time. So she's 424 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: gonna vide at the airport and come walking out. There's 425 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: gonna be nobody there, and she's gonna say, well, I 426 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: guess that answers the question, and get back on the 427 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: plane and fly away. And there's another life change. Um, 428 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: so bird hit this, I said to Tommy, and I said, 429 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: and he knew that the situation was. I said, look, 430 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: as soon as this game's over, out of here. Like 431 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: I am just out of here. I'm not doing any 432 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: post game. I'm not doing anything. You gotta do everything 433 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: you have signed off. He's like, well, how did you 434 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: do that? You know? Um, it's easy, just read the card. 435 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: Thank um. He never wanted to deal with those cards 436 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: ever ever. So um any Larry, God bless him, hits 437 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: his followay jumper too at the end of the first 438 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: overtime to win the game at the buzzer. And it 439 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: was a really good, good call opportunity. I remember making 440 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: the call and then my voice stops and the next 441 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: thing you hear is Tommy, and then said listen, and 442 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: I ran downstairs, and people stayed in their seats thankfully 443 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: said it wasn't much traffic. I literally, I mean, I'm 444 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: not making this up at all. I drove to the airport, 445 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: I got to the International terminal, I just put my car, 446 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: just get out of it. I just left it in 447 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: the street, and I went running inside. And literally I 448 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: can running inside, and twenty ft from me to the 449 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: international gates, she comes walking through. Never went back to Pittsburgh. No, 450 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: she did not. Thank you to Larry Bird for putting 451 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: that bucket through the basket, for Tommy for taking that 452 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: sign off. Pretty incredible. I remember you telling me that story, Mike. 453 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was on the plane or 454 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: a car ride back into the city after a late 455 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: plane ride home, but just an unbelievable story of how 456 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: the smallest thing can turn into the biggest thing in life. 457 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: And and right there it was Bird being able to 458 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: make that shot to get you to the airport just 459 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: in time. Unbelievable. I'll tell you one that again. You 460 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: never know who's going to affect your life. I get 461 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: out of the Navy and had spent six years in 462 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: the Navy after college, and I had no no clue 463 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: at all what I wanted to do. I know, I 464 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: didn't want to fly planes anymore, but I know I 465 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: had no clue at all what I really wanted to 466 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: do with my life. And so after about a month 467 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: of was hanging around and playing basketball and just hanging 468 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: around with old college buddies, you know, my parents are like, 469 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: you getta get a job, you know, you get like 470 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: a real job here. So I figured, Okay, maybe I'd 471 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: like to be a sportscast. That'd be kind of fun. 472 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: I had no experience doing it. I just thought it 473 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: would be kind of fun. So I go, where should 474 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: I go. I'll go to w b Z in Boston 475 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: because they did the biggest radio station around and they 476 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: do the Patriots, and Guilt Santos is just terrific on 477 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: the Patriots. So I'll just go see Gil Santos and 478 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: try to see if I get a job there in 479 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: some capacity. So I pulled up at the security gate 480 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: and this guard says to me, he says, can I 481 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: help you? And I said that, yeah, I'm gonna go 482 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: see Gil Santos, and he says, do you have an appointment? 483 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: I said no, and he said, does Gil have any 484 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: idea you're coming? I said no, and he said, you 485 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: just can't pull up here and goes see Gills Santos 486 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: without having called ahead. You know, this is w b Z, 487 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: this is the biggest radio station in Boston, and um, 488 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: he said, So you're just gonna go back home or 489 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: whatever you're doing and call up and see if you 490 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: can make an appointment. But I can't let you in 491 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: the parking line. And I said, okay, thanks anyway. And 492 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: then the guy literally goes like this, goes what's that 493 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: in the back seat? And the back seat was a 494 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: ball cap that said VP forty four on it, which 495 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: was my squadron uh in Bunswick, Maine. And I flew 496 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: forth and he said, what do you have to do 497 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,239 Speaker 1: with VP forty four? I said, though I was an 498 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: aviator there for five years. I was with just with 499 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: the squadro And he said, I was with VP sixteen 500 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: up there. I was said, blah blah blah blah blahah. 501 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: He starts talking to be back and forth. He goes, 502 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, He picks up the phonies. Gil, Yeah, 503 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 1: this is John down to secure. There's a guy here 504 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: I think he really would like to talk to Yeah, okay, fine, 505 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: I'll send him up. Gil gets me a job that day. 506 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: That literally that day, calls the radio station in New Bedford. 507 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: After I talked to him about a half hour and 508 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 1: he said they could use somebody like you. I drive 509 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,239 Speaker 1: down to New Bedroom that morning. I'm not making any 510 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: this up. I drive down from Bedrood that morning. I 511 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: meet the general manager of the station. We get along 512 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: pretty well on a meeting for about a half hour 513 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: and he says, you want to get some lunch. I said, sure, 514 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: we go get some lunch. We have a cup of 515 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: beers over lunch. At some point he says to me, 516 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: well all the blue he goes you play softball? And 517 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: I said, uh yeah. He said are you any good? 518 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: And I said, oh yeah, I'm really good. As a 519 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: matter of fact, and I was. That was my sport. 520 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: Fast pitched softball was my sport. I was a third basement. 521 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: I played about twenty ft or now. He guess most 522 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: guys couldn't get around, and a chief we had it 523 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: was a great fastball pitcher. Anyway, so he said, look, 524 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: we have a charity game against the other radio station 525 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: in town tonight and then beating our brains out of 526 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: I still last four or five years. Will you play 527 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: for us? And I said, sure, my vist. So I 528 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: played a game. I hit like four home runs and 529 00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: like four at Patson because it was just it was 530 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: like playing against not even junior bar site, was like 531 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: play against fourth gradest um, playing against guys who work 532 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: at a radio station. Exactly right, exactly right that So 533 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: we win the game big and at the end of 534 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: the game the manager for the other team comes over 535 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: and he started yelling at Paul, going, that guy's a ringer. 536 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: He doesn't work for you, And Paul's Paul, who's the guy? 537 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: A man's going, yeah he does. He's our public affairs director. 538 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: Well that's I got that day. I got that job 539 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: that night. I started the next day as the public 540 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: affairs director. And I could go on one thing led 541 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: to another, and but if that if that's security guy 542 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: doesn't seem the VP forty four the back of the 543 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: car uh and doesn't say anything at all, just says 544 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: you gotta go come back here and try to make 545 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: an appointment. I probably never go back to Intimidated to 546 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: go back I'd probably come up with a million reasons 547 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: why I couldn't do it again. I owe that guy 548 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: big help him big time. The moral of the stories, 549 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: You've got to have the right hat sitting in the 550 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: back of your car whenever you're driving around here. You 551 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: can't have gas enough. You're right, well, Mike, you fast forward, 552 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: you know, forty fifty years into the future after after 553 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: this just the smallest moment that turned into the biggest 554 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: thing for you. Um, and you've called, as you've mentioned 555 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: multiple times, three thousand plus games at this point. I'm 556 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: just curious to get your take on a tweet that 557 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: you sent out recently after Jason Tatum scored sixty points 558 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: in a massive comeback by the Celtics. He said that 559 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: that was top five out of all of the games 560 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: that you called throughout your career, starting with the Big 561 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: East and and and coming into the NBA and calling 562 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: all these Celtics games. What was it that made that 563 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: game in particular stand out to you as a top 564 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: five out of three thousand plus games. Well occasionally got 565 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: to see and and I saw I probably played Larry 566 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: bird Is one game and they will probably tang it 567 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: ten games in that and that is a guy gets 568 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: into a game where all of a sudden, he just 569 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: rises up to a level where he's above everybody else 570 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: and he knows it, and he feels it and he 571 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: acts on it. And that that's what Jason Tatum did 572 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: that and I is he understood how good he was 573 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: at this particular moment in time, and he just was 574 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: gonna take over. You know, when you were out there 575 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: in an NBA basketball game, you're dealing with you did 576 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: ten play, ten of the best players in the world 577 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: going head to head with each other, and so to 578 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: be able to take yourself to another higher level where 579 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: you completely just dominate the whole game, That's what I 580 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: saw and Tatum and the immensity of the comeback and 581 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: that the Celtics had and again to to be twenty 582 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: three years old and all of a sudden, your name 583 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: sits next to Larry Bird in the record book What 584 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: got you? There's gonna be a pretty big deal. And 585 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: that was a pretty big deal for him that night. 586 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: When people talk about do you have favorite games, you 587 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: have favorite moments? You know, I'll be lying if I 588 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: didn't tell you they all run together to a certain degree. 589 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: But um, in your mind immediately start thinking in terms 590 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: of decades or what was the best game? I saw 591 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: Larry Bird play? What was the best game? I saw 592 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: Paul Pierce played? What was the best game? I saw 593 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: Kevin Gardnett bet Kevin Garnett and always the best player. 594 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: I saw Jason Tatum be in this early in his career, 595 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: so he just kind of fit for this this generation now, 596 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: the post Pierced generation. He's been the guy he's and 597 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 1: he been. Seltum ade him to a long term contract, 598 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: or at least for the immediate future, he's going to 599 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: be the guy for Boston, and uh, he's equal to 600 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: the task. I think you know that the only place 601 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: that for me, Jason really has it to improve is 602 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: to make other guys around him better. Uh that that 603 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: that's That's the final stamp of being a great player 604 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: in almost any sport really, but certainly in basketball, is 605 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: do you make your teammates better? And he's knocking on 606 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: that door right now, and as soon as he goes 607 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: through that door, he's just gonna be a remarkable talent 608 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: for a long time to come. Just watching these playoffs, 609 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: it's clear the league is in a good place. The 610 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: Celtics are in a good place as well. But to 611 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: bring it back full circle and back to the Hall 612 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: of Fame, we heard Danny mentioned it the new Celtics 613 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: Big Three. For what does it mean to you to 614 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: be going in alongside not only Bill Russell, but Paul Pierce, 615 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: whose entire career you had the opportunity to cover and 616 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: be a part of. Yeah, I mean the Bill Russell 617 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: thing is just like, forget it right, it's still figuring 618 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: Russell talking about it, so um, that's just beyond it. 619 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: But to be going in with Paul is special because 620 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: you know, Paul and I had a really nice relationship 621 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: and it wasn't like we were great friends who weren't 622 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: going I would drinking and dining or anything else. But 623 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: we just had a relationship. We understood each other's roles 624 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: in in the bigger picture. We had this little thing 625 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: where I used to tell Paul who the officials were 626 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: in every game, so doing Paul would go through the 627 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: lay up line twice and then he would come over 628 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: and give me these little hug before every game. And 629 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: people say that was really neat the way you and 630 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: Paul do that. Well, what he would do is as 631 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: I gave him Paul a hug. I would say, you know, 632 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: it's you know, Chris, David and Larry and Larry is 633 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: the white guy or something like that, you know, and 634 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: Paul would go, Okay, fine, you know, and then I 635 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: would see Paul as you go through the Layoup line. 636 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: So we go and hey, Chris, how you doing, Hey day? 637 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: If how you're doing to the officials to get this 638 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,479 Speaker 1: kind of early leg up that that there were all 639 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: real buddies. So yeah. The night that Paul got his 640 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: UH number retired, when I introduced him, instead of going 641 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: to podium, he came walking towards me to have a hug, 642 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: and he went opened up his zom and he said, 643 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: who we got tonight? That it's special to be with Paul. 644 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: I've always loved Paul as a player. It was great 645 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: to have Kevin Garnett communing, It was great to have 646 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: Ray comm in. It was great with the three of 647 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: them did. But Paul, Paul is my guy. Paul would 648 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: always be my guy. And now you guys will be 649 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: linked together forever, going in in the same year. It's unbelievable. 650 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: And you know this is I think there's gonna be 651 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: a strong crop of new Englander's heading down to the 652 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: Springfield for this induction this year. It's gonna be really 653 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: impressive and I can't wait to be a part of 654 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: it and to watch you go into the Hall of 655 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: Fame along with with Bill Russell and Paul Pierce. So 656 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: congratulations again, Mike. We're gonna take a quick commercial break 657 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: and come back and talk a little bit about the 658 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: art of the play by play, which Abby and I 659 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: are both very interested to get your take on this, 660 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: and we'll be at bat. I know I've been waiting 661 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: forever to get back into TV Garden for a live 662 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: Celtics game, and I know you've been feeling the same way. 663 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: So why not make up for some lost time get 664 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: in on all of the action for next season by 665 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: signing up for the Celtics season ticket remember wait List 666 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: presented by American Express Listen. When you sign up, you'll 667 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: get priority access to purchase season ticket memberships for the 668 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: two season once tickets become available. So after you're done 669 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: listening here, head on over to Celtics dot com slash 670 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: Waitlist to sign up today and you'll be back inside 671 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: the Garden in no time, helping your boys grab a win. 672 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: Well Mike, we've already talked about the relationship that you 673 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: had with Tommy Heinson and how that kind of came 674 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: through to the viewers throughout the world and throughout New 675 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: England every single night the Celtics were on TV. I 676 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: just want to get your take on the importance of 677 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: relationships between partners, and not necessarily just you and Tommy 678 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: or you and Bill Raftery back in the day, but 679 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: anyone out there in broadcasting how important our relationships behind 680 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: the scenes to what comes through the microphones and comes 681 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: into people's homes on a daily and nightly basis. Well, 682 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,719 Speaker 1: I I think people can tell whether you like each other, 683 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: um right away the guy you're working with, no matter 684 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: how much professional you may try to be a professional, 685 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: they may try to be to to to show any 686 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: kind of dislike that maybe they're I think it's really 687 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: important that you genuinely like the guy. I do think 688 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: as a play by play guy you have to really 689 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: push your ego really down low. Your job. I believe 690 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: the job of the play by play guy is to 691 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: make sure you understand the score and make sure you 692 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: want to stand the time, make sure you understand any 693 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: other statistics like somebody's having for this ridiculous night, or 694 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: somebody's got four followers on them early or something like that. 695 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: That's really my job is to keep all that stuff 696 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: up front, and it's the analyst job to analyze and 697 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: to say why things happened. So occasion you I won't 698 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: say a case. And all too often I hear too 699 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: many play by play guys who kind of think they 700 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: are of the story, uh, and that they are the 701 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: ones who everybody wants to hear talk when I don't 702 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: think that's really true. I think your voice should be 703 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: limited as a play by play guy. If you haven't 704 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: got something really specific to say, don't say anything at all, 705 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: and don't use the word I during the broadcast. Your 706 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: first job is to report the game. Your second job 707 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: is to make the analyst as good as you can 708 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: make them be. Your last job is to again get 709 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: in now the breaks clean and not miss out the 710 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: pronunciation of or it's a sponsors. But other than that, 711 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: you really gotta take your ego and you gotta bang 712 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: it down if you're going to be any good is it? 713 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: Played by play guy? Mike? Was that an evolution for you? 714 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,239 Speaker 1: How did you discover your style? And your voice. Well, 715 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't so much really evolution that because I didn't 716 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: I didn't have any place I was coming from. I mean, 717 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to apply for a job. Like later on, 718 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: I just seemed to follow me around. I did team 719 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: handball at the Olympics, like three or four Olympics ago, 720 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: and the first team handball game I ever saw, I 721 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: did um And how do you even do that? I 722 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: don't even I can't even cover hot. How do you 723 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: walk into a room and do that? Right? You weren't 724 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: even there either. You're in your calling from a studio 725 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: back in Connecticut exactly, and the boots smaller we're in 726 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: right now. You just do it, Mark, I can't think 727 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: of any that they put it. You just go ahead 728 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: and dive in and do it again. You involve the 729 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: especially in situations like that. I involved the color analysts 730 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: right away. What are they doing out there? Why are 731 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: they doing this? Who's the best player out there? What 732 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: are his strengths? What are his weakness? Let them be 733 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: the analysts they are supposed to be, and you'd be 734 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: the information guy. And after a while, I mean, if 735 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: you've ever watch team handball, team hamball was like hockey 736 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: without the ice, and they just run up and down 737 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: and fire away at goalies from like away with the 738 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: thing that's the quick size of a softball, and just 739 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: throw it as hard as they can, and these guys 740 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: somehow make saves. Um. It's really a pretty exciting game 741 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: to watch. I really got into it after a while. 742 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: To go back to your original question, I was trying 743 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: to figure out what I was supposed to be and 744 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: when to play by play guy was supposed to be 745 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: and the guys I listened to to try to copy 746 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: and steal stuff from where the guys like Ray Scott, 747 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: guys like Patch Somemmeroll, all guys who thought lesser it 748 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: was better was their philosophy going in to give us, say, 749 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: the absolute essential stuff and then get out of the way. 750 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: And if the analyst doesn't feel like talking, let they 751 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: be crowd noise, because it just television, after all, and 752 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,959 Speaker 1: people have images and they can see these images. They 753 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: don't need you to repeat over and over again what 754 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: they're seeing. If you want to call who's who's defending 755 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: is opposed to who's got the ball? That's an easy 756 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: way to get out of this situation of being redundant. 757 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: But most of the time you need to You need 758 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: to make sure that view understands that you're looking at 759 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: the same thing they are. I tell kids when they're 760 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: started about this business all the time, it's when the 761 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: balls and play, be a baseball, football or whatever. Go 762 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: ahead and watch the field, But as soon as the 763 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: whistle the blows or the play and look at the monitor, 764 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 1: see what the director is putting up there as a picture, 765 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: and make sure that your comments follow alongside of what 766 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: is to being on the screen. Don't let them be 767 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: a disconnect by something on the screen saying one thing 768 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: and you're saying something completely different. That's when people go 769 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: start to say, well, he's not very good, But what 770 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: they're really saying is is he's not helping me at all. 771 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: He's he's just kind of he's flying in the face 772 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: of what I'm trying to understand. So let the game 773 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: speak for itself. Remember it's TV, and you have a 774 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: lot of images that you don't have to necessarily in 775 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: the hands. You can let them be on be by 776 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: to stand on their own two feet. But again, I've 777 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: always believed less is better, and I believe that until 778 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: ust to day. I stopped doing this. That's a better 779 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: way to do it. You don't don't need to hear 780 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: yourself talk. Mike. I asked you in the middle of 781 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: that answer, how do you walk into a room and 782 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: broadcast a sport that you've never watch before? And right 783 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: after I asked that, came up with the answer, be 784 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: a hall of famer, which is exactly what you are. 785 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: A hall of famer can walk in the room and 786 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: pull that hop. But I do want to ask you, 787 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: and you've kind of touched on this at times during 788 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: this conversation, it's kind of like playing point guard in 789 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: setting up your teammates for success in terms of what 790 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: you try to do to set up the analysts that 791 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: you're working with. There's different point guards out there that 792 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: do it a different way. When you look at Chris 793 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: Paul versus Rajon Rondo versus Kemba Walker and Kyrie Irvan, 794 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: how do you set up your teammates for success when 795 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: you're you are live broadcasting with them, especially playing alongside 796 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: people with such huge personalities from them behind to Bill Raftere, 797 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,919 Speaker 1: especially with those two guys that I would spend time 798 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: with them right before the game, and you know, we 799 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: always just sit together in the press room before CUTIC games. Um, 800 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: it would be the same thing with Bill Rafterree in 801 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 1: different colleges. I would make sure that I got down 802 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: and got a chance to hear raft over dinner, just 803 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 1: talk about kind of what he e x in the 804 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: game tonight, how he expects the game to go, who 805 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: he thinks is good, who he doesn't think is very good, 806 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: who he thinks is overrated, who he thinks is underrated, 807 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: and then always try to take your color guy to 808 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 1: places you know are safe for him. You know, that 809 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: was very easy to do with Tammy because I always 810 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: knew that Tommy wanted wanted the team to run. You 811 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: wanted him to run, run, run, and the second and 812 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: third he wanted to run, run, run, So it was 813 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: it was really pretty simple going forward as to what 814 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,240 Speaker 1: you want to talk about and what he wanted to analyze. 815 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: Bill was much more the the analysts of different ways 816 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: he Tommy made it very clear throughout his career like 817 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: this is this is the way you can win championships, 818 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: and without saying that, he was saying, look, I got 819 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: seven or eight of them as a player, I got 820 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: two of them as a coach. I know what I'm 821 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 1: talking about here, and he did. And Raf, on the 822 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: other hand, was a guy who really never won too 823 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,919 Speaker 1: much as a coach and had a much bigger career 824 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: and hasn't had a much bigger career as an analyst. 825 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: And and Billy, Billy taught me something earlier. He said, 826 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 1: one of the good things about doing network kind of 827 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: TV is you can just move for both teams. You 828 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: don't have to be a fan favorite of one or 829 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: a favorite of the other. He just moved for both teams. 830 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: And we knew when one team is playing well offensively, 831 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 1: you don't say the other team is playing poor defensively, 832 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: even though they might be. You just talk about how 833 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: good this team is playing offensively. So you keep a 834 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: very positive flow to the broadcast. And if you can 835 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: keep the broadcasting in a positive zone, for lack of 836 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: a better way to put it, most people are going 837 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: to be okay with it. Played by play guys should 838 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: never have an argument down the air with with the 839 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: color analyst about anything going on in the court. You 840 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: just shouldn't because by definition, this guy's the expert. You're 841 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: you're the Segway guy. So um, it was easy to 842 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: keep the faith with those guys, because you just I 843 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: just threw softballs in the air all the time. My 844 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 1: first season on the sidelines was one of the first 845 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: seasons that Tommy wasn't going to road games, and it 846 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: was before scal became our full time analyst, and so 847 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: you were dealing with a different analyst. I mean almost 848 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: every game Jackie McMullen did a bunch and then in 849 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: l A we even had Brondo I think for an 850 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: entire game as your analyst. How talk about a true professional? 851 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: What was that? What is it like for you kind 852 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: of adapt and how are you able to do it? 853 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: It's fun the first game or two, okay, because because 854 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: you haven't worked with this person before, you know what 855 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: their what their knowledge is, You know who they are 856 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 1: and what their reputation is. So again, you can just 857 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: throw so offballs in the air. If it's when you 858 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: get down and get to games three, four or five, 859 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: or six or seven however long, then you really have 860 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: to know how good this person is or isn't um 861 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: And usually there's a reason why they're not doing that 862 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: job and they're doing some other job and they're guests 863 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: doing this job. Again, the first two or three games 864 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: we work with anybody. Usually were fun to do because 865 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: there were people who were well established reputations and their specialty. 866 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: Jackie brilliant writer, raft great humorist. For lack of a 867 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 1: better way to put it. In terms of basketball, Ronny Perry, 868 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: who I worked at ton of games within the Biggest 869 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: Reason on television network. Again an excellent annelist of the 870 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: game and a bright kid and a likable kid. I 871 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 1: really can't recall any I did. Jim Valvano's first game 872 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,879 Speaker 1: on ESPN. Again, it was fun to work with guys 873 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,439 Speaker 1: for on a one shot deal. Said the second shot 874 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 1: was kind of fun. Third shot you start to go, oh, 875 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: I don't know, and then the fourth shot like this 876 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: is why you're not doing this for a living, and 877 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: now how do you get through the rest of this? 878 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: But you might have that that time, without having made 879 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: a permanent decision on scale was Yeah. It was just 880 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: like I felt like I was at a comedy club. 881 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: It was auditions every night. Well, Mike, I got I 882 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: gotta jump in here and say that I I have 883 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: to be honest with you. During that time, I was 884 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: traveling with the team full time as well, and I 885 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: was just waiting for the moment when someone's plane got 886 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: stuck in some connection and that there would be a 887 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: desperation mode fifteen minutes before the game started, and you 888 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: guys needed someone so that I would be able to 889 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: get the call and say, I sat down next to 890 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: Mike Gorman for a game and called the game with 891 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: Mike Gorman. I was praying for that moment and then 892 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: we we wound up with Scale, which which has been 893 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: great ever since. But I was waiting for that one moment. 894 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: For for someone to get stuck somewhere and not make 895 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: their connecting flight. Truly would have been a desperation moment. Mark, Yeah, 896 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 1: that way, it would have. I mean, desperation is an understatement, 897 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: there's no question about that. That being said, though, we're 898 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: gonna take one more quick commercial break and come back 899 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 1: for a final quick segment before we let the Hall 900 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 1: of Famer go for the dead. 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Just one? 920 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,240 Speaker 1: And were they from? Were they from those days? Uh? Nope? 921 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: Actually I had gone a long time without where an 922 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: aviated glasses, and about two or three years ago I decided, 923 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 1: let me see if I like that look, and I 924 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: bought something and I determined there was a reason I 925 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 1: had mornument so long as a particularly so they're stored 926 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 1: away for now. But just one, How did you become 927 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,239 Speaker 1: a pilot? Mike? Well, that's a see that's a long 928 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: story to him. Um, I feel that's the name of 929 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: Willie Nelson's autobiography. It's a long story, and it is 930 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,919 Speaker 1: basically what happened was I get out. I was gonna 931 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: get drafted. I had done a bad job in my 932 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: here at Boston College and I lost my two s 933 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: affirment and so I was going to get drafted. So 934 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: instead of getting drafted, I enrolled in an OCS program 935 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: that where you gave two summers away into between your sophomore, junior, 936 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 1: and junior senior years, and then after you senior in 937 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,840 Speaker 1: high school. I did in college. Rather you went right 938 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: into the Navy for whatever. So I got through that, 939 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,839 Speaker 1: it went into the Navy, and I just found out, oh, 940 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 1: three months in the Navy that I get terribly seasick. 941 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 1: So the Navy was not a really good place to be, 942 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: especially on a destroyer. If you've ever been on a 943 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: destroyer like a tin can, it just goes up and 944 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: down all the places. I was spending too much time, 945 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 1: you know, on all fours. So um, I tried out 946 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: for for flight school and I passed, and so I 947 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: made it into aviation. And that's why it took so long. 948 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: It was supposed to be a three year commitment turned 949 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: into six to flight school. It was it was interested 950 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: and I ended up I didn't go to Vietnam, but 951 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: I was able to get to fly a plane that 952 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: wasn't being used in Vietnam at the time. We chased 953 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 1: submarines first, and submarines around the North Atlantic Ocean two 954 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: and a half years. That was something I've never asked 955 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,400 Speaker 1: you that I'm glad I learned something new today. I 956 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 1: don't know how a worthwhile the information is, but the 957 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 1: end it is, and it's it's a perfect segue for 958 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: of this conversation, Mike, because a lot of people who 959 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 1: are are in the forces, they wind up having this 960 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,840 Speaker 1: addiction to travel because that's oftentimes what they do and 961 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: they live in different places around the world. They have 962 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 1: to travel for work to get that done. I know 963 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 1: that you are a lover of travel around the world 964 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: because you and I have had many conversations on our 965 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 1: flights back and forth across the country about where where 966 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: we're planning to go during the off season, and and Mike, 967 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: what did you like about going here? Mark? What did 968 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 1: you like going about here? What's what's what are your 969 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 1: favorite places that you've traveled in the world, um, and 970 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,320 Speaker 1: what are some places that you haven't gotten to that 971 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: you would love to get to. I'm a big fan 972 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,879 Speaker 1: of Spain. I really like Spain a lot. Have good 973 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: friends in Madrid, which is part of it. I think 974 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,959 Speaker 1: we Did's a great city that people never talked about. 975 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: Barcelona is a terrific city to be in. You can 976 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,800 Speaker 1: also from get to tip palam in Majorca from Barcelona 977 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,839 Speaker 1: pretty easy, and that's that's a great island out there 978 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 1: floating around beautiful. I like that part of you. I 979 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: like Spaining a lot. And I'm not a big fan 980 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 1: of France, but my wife was fluent in French and 981 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,359 Speaker 1: when they did post graduate work there for a year 982 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: and a half. So so we go to France every 983 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,399 Speaker 1: once in a while because she gets to pick where 984 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,439 Speaker 1: we go. I like Ireland a lot, like I could 985 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: go back to Ireland on a moment's notice. I think 986 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: it's because my roots are there. I'm a big fan 987 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,839 Speaker 1: of that. I like the Mediterranean and the whole Mediterranean area. 988 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: We went down a couple of years ago, we just 989 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: landed and took a plant plane flight from New York 990 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: to Athens and get off the plane in Athens, picked 991 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: up a badge, walked down to the dock and rented 992 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: a sailboat and it's captain for two weeks and just 993 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 1: took off and sailed around the Greek isles. Okay, um, 994 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 1: here's a great story. You love it. Gain we have 995 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 1: much sound. This this is the absolute tooth. Mike. We're fine. 996 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: We're worried about you, so you take all the time 997 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,719 Speaker 1: you need. We're in this little harbor where there's no 998 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,879 Speaker 1: other boats. We had spent the night there. We get 999 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: up the next morning and you could see up the 1000 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,759 Speaker 1: top of I wouldn't say it's a hill. It's like 1001 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,719 Speaker 1: like a small mountain, but obviously it was something you 1002 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,800 Speaker 1: could hike up. Would take you a while, but you'd 1003 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: hike up there. There's a small village on the top 1004 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 1: of this hill slash mountain. Captain says. He said, Look, 1005 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: it's really rough outside outside the harbor right now. It's 1006 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: supposed to calm down later on the day. Why don't 1007 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: you guys like take a walk up to the village 1008 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,719 Speaker 1: up there. It's really famous. It's a nice place. You'll 1009 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: get a kick out of it. So we hiked for 1010 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 1: forty five minutes up to this village. We get there 1011 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,800 Speaker 1: at five minutes or twelve. Well, they have the equivalent 1012 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: of CS. Everything shuts down between twelve and four. So 1013 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,719 Speaker 1: we're wandering around the beach of this weekend. We don't 1014 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: see another human being. I mean, everything is locked up 1015 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 1: tight as if it's going away forever. So we're walking. 1016 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 1: We're walking and thinking that they've never gonna open up. 1017 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,440 Speaker 1: This is a waste of time. And we hear the 1018 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: sound of kids playing work down alleyway and his kids 1019 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 1: kicking a soccer ball around two kids. So we walked 1020 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,279 Speaker 1: down there and we say the kids, like, you know, hey, 1021 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 1: is there anything open around here? And one of the 1022 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,920 Speaker 1: kids says, yeah, my my dad he's probably had. They 1023 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,360 Speaker 1: are spoke pretty good English because my dad. And so 1024 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,360 Speaker 1: he runs in and out comes this gentleman who's obviously 1025 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,400 Speaker 1: the kids dead. He's got this little cafe. So we 1026 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,440 Speaker 1: sit down to this cafe. He brings out some coffee 1027 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 1: or something to us, and we're just talking back and forth, 1028 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 1: and he finally says, where are you guys? From and 1029 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 1: I said that Boston. He said, oh, Boston, Boston Celtics. 1030 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,560 Speaker 1: I love the Celtics, and you love the Boston Celtics. 1031 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: He said, oh, yes, I coach. I coached the men's 1032 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 1: basketball team here for a bunch of we have a 1033 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,800 Speaker 1: league among so all the islands, you know, and I 1034 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: coached the men's team. Brad Stevens. He's my favorite guy, 1035 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 1: Brad Stevens. I love him, you know. And Terry's kicking 1036 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 1: at the end of the table. He's gonna tell who 1037 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,160 Speaker 1: you are, and I'm going to tell him who I am. 1038 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,040 Speaker 1: So um but it was just amazing. He just got all. 1039 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,880 Speaker 1: This guy I wanted to talk about, was Brad Stevens. 1040 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 1: How he dv DVRs Hall of Brad's plays and then 1041 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,360 Speaker 1: so he teaches him to his team out of bounds 1042 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: place and everything else, you know, the one where they 1043 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: go to the zone and they do the diamonds, and 1044 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 1: he's been diagraming all the stuff on a napkin, and 1045 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,840 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like this is bizarre. I'm like, I'm on 1046 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 1: a mountain top on a deserted island in the middle 1047 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: of the g n C, and I got this guy 1048 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,440 Speaker 1: going Brad Stevens, Oh, yeah, I love you can't get 1049 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 1: away from the Celtics. You know what's really funny? Might 1050 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: you tell that story? I had a similar sort and 1051 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,880 Speaker 1: not necessarily exactly the same, but I was in one 1052 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 1: of the Greek islands and I just happened to be 1053 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 1: walking down the beach, um and I was wearing a 1054 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,239 Speaker 1: celf Nex jersey, and out of nowhere, this guy comes 1055 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,279 Speaker 1: up to me and he's from Europe. Um, you know, 1056 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 1: had had an accently spoke English. And he comes up 1057 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: to me and he says, I love the Celtics, They're 1058 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,920 Speaker 1: my favorite team. Blah blah blah blah. And we're talking 1059 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,680 Speaker 1: for a minute, and that this isn't me tooting my 1060 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: own horn, but it's just a funny story that relates. 1061 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,239 Speaker 1: And he says, are you Mark Amiko that works for 1062 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,560 Speaker 1: Celtics dot com? And I I'm like, what, like then, 1063 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 1: just walking down the beach in a foreign country, uh, 1064 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: in a Mediterranean island. But that's how much the Celtics 1065 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 1: mean to and how much it's gone around the world 1066 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 1: and how important it is to uh two people not 1067 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,480 Speaker 1: in or outside of Boston. It's really incredible to notice 1068 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,800 Speaker 1: that stuff when when you're traveling around the world. A 1069 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 1: big part of why I like Madrid so much is 1070 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,920 Speaker 1: because I have friends there who just I met them 1071 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,440 Speaker 1: through the Celtics playing a game in Madrid. They came down, 1072 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,160 Speaker 1: introduced themselves to me, and we ended up staying in 1073 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,359 Speaker 1: touch and we visit each other's families a couple of times. 1074 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,600 Speaker 1: Now we're going back and forth. But yeah, it was 1075 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,160 Speaker 1: amazing how much they knew and how many games they watched. 1076 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,160 Speaker 1: And I'm saying one and he's just five o'clock. We 1077 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,520 Speaker 1: have to get at five o'clock in the morning to 1078 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,759 Speaker 1: see the games. But that's not a big deal, you know. 1079 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,080 Speaker 1: So um and their kids are all this Celtics gear 1080 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 1: and they're just like, wow, this is crazy. Hause that 1081 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 1: been one of and you mentioned it at the beginning, 1082 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: one of the best parts of all of this is 1083 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,360 Speaker 1: just seeing finally getting to see how many people you 1084 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,120 Speaker 1: have touched over the decades and what you have meant 1085 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 1: to so many people. It's the best part of It's 1086 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 1: the best thing that's happened. Um. I mean, obviously getting 1087 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,359 Speaker 1: inducted and winning the Gaudy Award is is the best, 1088 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 1: but right there at one A is what has come 1089 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,839 Speaker 1: from that? Uh? And again hearing from people I haven't 1090 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 1: heard from it. Have Bill Raftery on the on the 1091 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:44,880 Speaker 1: my pick up my phone and see there is a 1092 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 1: message in New Jersey. I think, who's New Jersey? And 1093 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,080 Speaker 1: these raps boys talking to me? And again guys that 1094 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 1: have worked with the Big East way back when coaches 1095 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,000 Speaker 1: are not trying to sound corny. But I thought he 1096 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,360 Speaker 1: had really forgotten me and I was no longer a 1097 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,120 Speaker 1: factor in their life. Uh. I was doing the Big 1098 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 1: East in nineteen It's like years ago. You don't expect 1099 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,800 Speaker 1: I remember that Saturday night there at Pj's place. We 1100 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,440 Speaker 1: all got together, you know, really no kidding, but have 1101 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,759 Speaker 1: you know? And you what the characters are like? I 1102 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: mean you you you get met PJ. I mean PJ 1103 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,320 Speaker 1: is one of a kind. Bill rafter He's one of 1104 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,520 Speaker 1: a kind. Lu Karner Seth is one of a kind. 1105 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 1: Dave Gathered one of the kind. I mean. It was 1106 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,319 Speaker 1: just a great collection of individuals who decided they were 1107 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 1: going to come together and show how good this sport 1108 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,360 Speaker 1: could be. And Bigg's championship games in Madison Square Garden 1109 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,440 Speaker 1: with Patrick Ewing and going against Chris Mullers going against 1110 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,960 Speaker 1: Pearl Washington. It just was that was great stuff. That 1111 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: was just great. Great stuff. Doesn't get any better than that. 1112 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,239 Speaker 1: And like you said that they're one of a kind, 1113 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:39,920 Speaker 1: you my friend, or one of a kind. I know 1114 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,120 Speaker 1: that you mentioned that you've you've touched many other people 1115 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 1: who have reached out to you. You've certainly touched the 1116 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,960 Speaker 1: two people who are on this call with you right now, 1117 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,759 Speaker 1: and Abby it myself and we're so thankful to be 1118 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,960 Speaker 1: able to have established relationships with you over the years 1119 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,000 Speaker 1: and been able to just be by your side and 1120 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,520 Speaker 1: watching your greatness shine through every single night. So again, congratulations. 1121 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:05,080 Speaker 1: We couldn't be happier for you. I'm gonna cry, and well, Abby, 1122 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,040 Speaker 1: you said you would only cried once. Is this twice? 1123 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,880 Speaker 1: Now it's too much. Yes, Mike, you're one of the 1124 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,360 Speaker 1: best people that either of us have ever met. I 1125 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,719 Speaker 1: know I'm speaking on behalf of Abby here, but um, 1126 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,520 Speaker 1: I know that it's true. You're an unbelievable human. You're 1127 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,960 Speaker 1: unbelievable at your job, and I'm just thankful to have 1128 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 1: been able to be around you and watch the show 1129 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 1: for the last thirteen years. Ready to try, we know 1130 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,680 Speaker 1: you will all right, thanks Mike. That's a wrap on 1131 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,120 Speaker 1: episode eight of you from the Raptors. Thank you so 1132 00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,480 Speaker 1: much to Mike Gorman. The Hall of Famer can't wait 1133 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,680 Speaker 1: to see you going in in September. And I'm sure 1134 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,160 Speaker 1: everyone who's listening to this right now is thinking the 1135 00:50:44,239 --> 00:51:00,120 Speaker 1: exact same thing. We're looking forward to it. M