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Speaker 1: Also media Bradley Whitford Hot This is it could happen

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Speaker 1: here Executive Disorder, our weekly newscast covering what's happening in

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Speaker 1: the White House, the crumbling world, and what it means

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Speaker 1: for you. I'm Garrison Davis todaym joined by James Stout

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Speaker 1: and Robert Evans.

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Speaker 2: Sophie's also here.

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Speaker 1: Sophie is also here. Allegedly we were talking West Wing before.

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Speaker 2: This, and Sophie has been excommunicated.

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Speaker 1: Sophie said something that Robert will not let us repeat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we legally can't repeat it. You'd all go to

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Speaker 3: prison and we would be right to send you.

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Speaker 1: There West Wing as in the TV show.

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Speaker 1: In this episode, we're covering the week of July twenty

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Speaker 1: second to July twenty ninth. James, some small things to start.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So today, on the day that we are recording,

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Speaker 2: which is the twenty ninth of July, the United States

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Speaker 2: and Saudi forces conducting strikes inside Iraq at what they

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Speaker 2: are calling Iran backed terrorist comes after Iraqi National Security

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Speaker 2: Advisor earlier this week suggested that Ukraine was responsible for

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Speaker 2: strikes inside Iraq, which is a thing that isn't true.

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Speaker 2: Iran again attempted to target US bases in Jordan today,

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Speaker 2: but at the time of recording, the US military reporting

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Speaker 2: that smissiles were all intercepted. Iranian strikes on Kurdistan have continued,

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Speaker 2: and Reuter's is reporting that Iran is soon to receive

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Speaker 2: Chinese shoulder fired manpads. It's man portable air defense system.

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Speaker 2: Women can use them too, Probably not in Iran, but

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Speaker 2: these are part of what Royce is saying is a

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Speaker 2: recently signed deal between the two states. China course denying it,

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Speaker 2: but that would be very interesting, right, considering that it

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Speaker 2: was a shoulder launched manpads that shut down the jet

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Speaker 2: that triggered the massive CISAR mission a few months ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always funny when something comes around like this

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Speaker 3: in the history of like military colonialist adventures. You know,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't that so long ago that we were sending

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Speaker 3: all of our helicopters. Yeah yeah, and yeah, it's just

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Speaker 3: beautiful how cyclical nature is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, here we are. Finally, I want to talk

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Speaker 2: about the TPS Temporary Protected states. It's for Haitian people.

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Speaker 2: So a few weeks ago on our Supreme Court special

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Speaker 2: We know that this will impact as many as three

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand people are going with a number

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Speaker 2: from Haitian Bridge Alliance. There a lot of these people

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Speaker 2: that are going back. Is no an option, It's not

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Speaker 2: in any way going to be safe for them, or

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Speaker 2: they just don't simply have a place to go back to. There.

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Speaker 2: Many of these people will have US citizen children who

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Speaker 2: therefore will not lose TPS right. But it did so

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Speaker 2: unclear what exactly or I mean, I think the administry,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to keep reporting on this or already rumors

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Speaker 1: The House approved the one point one point five trillion

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Speaker 1: dollar twenty twenty seven National Defense Authorization Act, then at

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Speaker 1: The version of the bill that passed includes section two nineteen,

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Speaker 1: which expands cooperation between the US and Israeli militaries, specifically

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Speaker 1: The bills currently stalled in the Senate core documents revealed

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Speaker 1: that last October, the Trump administration canceled nearly eight billion

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Speaker 1: dollars of clean energy grants by explicitly targeting states whose

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Speaker 1: how these grants were selected was on these political lines.

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Speaker 1: Last Friday saw the White House Press Correspondence Dinner Take two.

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Speaker 1: foreign nations. This was, of course, following the State Department's

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Speaker 1: left wing terrorism summit that we covered last week, and

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Speaker 1: parallel to Mark Rubio's crusade against Cuba and what he

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Speaker 2: I've got a fun thing to talk about, all right,

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Speaker 2: let's do it. What's fun.

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Speaker 3: There's an article in The Guardian that just came out

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Speaker 3: lessons from the Ukrainian War and applying them to US public.

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Speaker 2: Schools, specifically in Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: They've seen a lot of luck in stopping breaches of

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Speaker 2: Oh, I've seen this video. I know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: I haven't hit me with it. Come on, I want

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Speaker 3: These are waves of drones that can launch mace and

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Speaker 1: They would have fucking sent a drone swarm to stop

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all they wanted to do. Yeah. The thing is,

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Speaker 3: Right, it is true this could work better. The problem

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Speaker 3: is that in terms of actually stopping school shooters, this

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to say I don't think it's possible

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Speaker 2: Fuck up kids who misspay. Sure, no, I can see

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Speaker 2: that being that's that's kind of the what I'm expecting, right, Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: To read a quote from the article here. They could

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Speaker 3: be flown from thousands of miles away and support two

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Speaker 3: team to engage verbally with a threat or communicate to

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Speaker 3: teachers in school staff campus. Guardian Angel's website stated this

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Speaker 3: allows our team and our op center to communicate to

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Speaker 3: law enforcement officers verbally with messages such as follow me

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Speaker 3: and I'll take you to the suspect, or open the

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what you see.

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Speaker 3: And it's the whole thing about going after the suspect

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Speaker 3: that I'm like, I can see this also just these

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Speaker 3: drones being swarmed after some kids smoking pot or somebody's

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't think this is going to wind up saving

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Speaker 2: Fascinating. The video is great. Yeah, I want to see

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Speaker 2: the video. Can I you should look up the video

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Speaker 2: Campus Guardian Angel. It's got a life for the Campus

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Speaker 2: Guardian Angel. There you go, and when until morn. I

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Speaker 2: see that phrase, the first thing that comes to my

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Speaker 2: mind is pedophile. Yeah that's what I that's what I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking when I hear some Okay, watch video the first

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Speaker 2: active shooter suppression service. I'm sure that's true. All right,

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Speaker 2: here we go, got a couple of cops.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this does make me think about what if the

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Speaker 3: latency is bad between the camera and the drone operator

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're here. We're watching a bunch of news clips.

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Speaker 2: Board man is giving a talk. That's the Navy seal

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Speaker 2: drones are moving down the corridor. Fuck me, they're sitting

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Speaker 2: some little boxes. There's a cop. Cop has a gun. Oh,

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Speaker 2: there's someone in a balaclava. He's surrendering to the drones.

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Speaker 2: He's down surrendering the droughts on the.

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Speaker 3: From front footage of like Russian soldiers surrendering the drones.

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Speaker 2: They don't. Yeah, these guys. Okay, there's this guy's playing

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Speaker 2: a shooter. He has a BB gun. A couple of

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Speaker 2: drones have got him cornered. He's not shooting at them, though, cowards.

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Speaker 2: Cowards hit someone from Seminole County Public schools. So the

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Speaker 2: drones live in a little box and it opens, and

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Speaker 2: I like that they've done blue lighting. It's like a

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Speaker 2: he comes. He's breached through the window. Whoa, they're sucking

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Speaker 1: Go.

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Speaker 2: They've missed. They've missed a few times. I noticed if

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm not I don't trust these drones about this.

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Speaker 2: They're like, what if there was a child nearby? No, literally,

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Speaker 2: that was my first thought.

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Speaker 4: It was like, this just makes it easier for cops

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Speaker 4: to shoot people accidentally, or.

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Speaker 2: An AI drone to shoot someone by accident. They're going

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Speaker 2: after the same dude again. He's running away. Oh, he's

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Speaker 2: cornered he's gone to ground. He's surrendering.

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Speaker 4: Wait, it's probably guys that couldn't pass the cop exam.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the ones flying the drones. Yeah, in this POV,

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Speaker 2: it looks like someone's manually firing because the drone has

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Speaker 2: Navy seal in through the window and he's surrendering as

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Speaker 2: this shooter again, he's surrendering. They haven't really engaged with

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Speaker 3: But also here's the thing, nobody in Richland Parish really

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Speaker 2: Fuck what's his first name?

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Speaker 3: I want to say Tommy or James Tallerica the election

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Speaker 3: call him. I don't think anyone actually saw the movie

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Speaker 3: In two thousand and eight, when Paxton was a new

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Speaker 3: when You're dry snitched on by the company that bribed

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Speaker 3: you now. According to The Wall Street Journal, after coming

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Speaker 2: So that's more like a sea through trust.

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Speaker 2: It's more just you're committing a series of crimes.

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Speaker 3: So he's going to get charged with securities fraud for this,

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Speaker 2: It's really funny. What a series of events.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: In like twenty fourteen, Ken runs for and wins Attorney

436
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Speaker 3: General of the State of Texas, and his opponent in

437
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Speaker 3: the campaign, Justin Nelson, runs video ads using the footage.

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Speaker 1: It is really funny to have top Cough be like funny,

439
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: the most corrupt criminal in Texas politics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, most, and they're really dedicated to it.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: The busiest criminal too.

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Speaker 2: Just seeing an opportunity and taking it without a second

444
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: thought is really beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Despite this, Paxton was still narrowly elected, thanks in part

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Speaker 3: to spending twice as much as his opponent on the campaign.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two, Paxton faced a primary challenge from

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Speaker 3: George P. Bush, one of the C List Bushes, a

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Speaker 3: nephew of the most recent former president Bush.

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 3: This would prove to be one of Paxton's easier victories,

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Speaker 3: even though he had been charged with and was still

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Speaker 3: under investigation for security He's fraud as well as at

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Speaker 3: this point a separate federal investigation for alleged corruption in

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Speaker 3: favor of an Austin real estate developer. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: quote now from an AP article by Thomas Beaumont.

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Speaker 2: Quote.

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Speaker 3: Paxton responded by portraying himself as a Trump era Republican

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Speaker 3: and Bush is the heir to a privileged political legacy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Pro Paxton organizations spent more than twenty million dollars, about

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Speaker 3: twice as much as Bush and his allies. The race

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Speaker 3: went into a runoff in which Paxon defeated Bush by

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Speaker 3: thirty four percentage points. So just a pansakey On behalf

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Speaker 3: of George P. Bush then one of the worst ass

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Speaker 3: kickings in Texas state political history.

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is a very very clear sort

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Speaker 1: of like Neo con versus the new like mega Republican

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Speaker 1: party matchup, Yeah, in which the neocons have just no

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Speaker 1: no ground to stand on.

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Speaker 3: Well, and it's it's also just like purely on like

474
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Speaker 3: the shallowest basis of like what sounds good to a

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Speaker 3: dummy George W.

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Speaker 2: Bush W is a nickname that's trustworthy. George P.

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Speaker 3: Bush P Bush Bush anywhere just a bad idea.

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Speaker 2: I do think twenty years of war in the Middle

479
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Speaker 2: East have maybe maybe like dropped the value of George X.

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Speaker 3: Bush stalkers George Bush anywhere in the name thirty If

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Speaker 3: we're doing George Bushes, I guess guys.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about Texas. I mean even even there, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: even a whole lot of people from Texas died in

484
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Speaker 2: uh was we didn't need to have actually.

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Speaker 3: I mean even when Texans were voting for him, people

486
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 3: had a tendency to say the man was all hat,

487
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 3: no cattle. So I'm not super surprised about this. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: Paxton beats Bush handily in the prime mary and then

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Speaker 3: he runs against Democrat Rochelle Garza in the general and

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Speaker 3: Garza entered the campaign with a three hundred page opposition

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Speaker 3: research bio on Paxton, but also faced a really difficult quandary,

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Speaker 3: which is, like, what can you say about Ken that

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Speaker 3: voters haven't already heard and evidently decided they don't care about?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, this is like the same thing with Trump, right,

496
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Speaker 1: It is like, yeah, how do you attest this as

497
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Speaker 1: all of this stuff that's fucked up that we all

498
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Speaker 1: know about? Yeah that like is it worth just retreading

499
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Speaker 1: all this all the same stuff.

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Speaker 3: No, and it just wasn't right. She loses too, not

501
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 3: by as badly as George B. Bush, obviously, and Paxton

502
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 3: continues to cling to office and scandal. Now, in the

503
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Speaker 3: years after his victory, his wife divorced him, citing the Bible.

504
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Speaker 3: He was impeached by the state House, but then acquitted

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Speaker 3: by the Senate. His fraud case ended in twenty twenty

506
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Speaker 3: four with a judgment that he paid three hundred thousand

507
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Speaker 3: dollars in restitution. But through it all he maintained enough

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Speaker 3: Republican support to squeak by.

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Speaker 1: I mean because he's he's been very powerful as the

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Speaker 1: attrede general of that state. It has done a lot

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Speaker 1: to help the Republicans in that state. And like a

512
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: lot of yes, really ugly stuff has been done at

513
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Speaker 1: the behest of and the help of Paxton.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's wielded his power, and.

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Speaker 3: I'm leaving a lot of that out. I don't mean

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Speaker 3: this as a comprehensive look at his past. We're kind

517
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Speaker 3: of doing the greatest hits. I'm gonna have to do

518
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Speaker 3: a BT beyond the fucker.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, k Bax deserves it.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 3: In that ap article, Thomas Beaumont interviewed two Paxton supporters,

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Speaker 3: David and Nancy Lapp, who are retired conservatives from Woolworf

523
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,479
Speaker 3: Texas or Wolff Texas, and quote from that article. They

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Speaker 3: described him as a conservative warrior who has been a

525
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 3: victim of persecution. He's had a share of scandals, and

526
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Speaker 3: almost all of them have so it's not necessarily disqualifying anymore,

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Speaker 3: said David Lap seventy six. He's a flawed person, no

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Speaker 3: doubt about it, but he fights for traditional American values.

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Speaker 1: O man.

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Speaker 2: He added that.

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Speaker 3: Nowadays, as long as you're not in jail, that'll elect you,

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Speaker 3: which is very true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's not a wrong statement.

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Speaker 3: But also you'll elect him, David, Yeah, yay, you are

535
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Speaker 3: making a choice now. There is much more to the

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Speaker 3: tale of Ken Paxton's scum and villainy, and this isn't

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Speaker 3: an episode of BTV, So I'm gonna save us some

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00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: time and just discuss arguably his worst and most famous

539
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Speaker 3: call As Attorney General. Kin was elected after promising to

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Speaker 3: be tough on crime and attacking his predecessors and opponents

541
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Speaker 3: for being weak on crime, and then in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: a Waco attorney named Adam Hoffman went on trial for

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00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 3: sexually abusing his son's best friend during multiple sleepovers from

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00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 3: the age of six or seven up to age ten. Jesus,

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00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 3: the victim initially told a forensic interviewer he believed Hoffman

546
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: had ejaculated over thirteen hundred times in his presence. Hawton

547
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: denied the allegant, although they did like a siemens, they

548
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 3: looked for semen and didn't find any, so like, I

549
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 3: don't know, but also he get a clean stuff who knows.

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00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 3: Hoffman denied the allegations and called the boy a liar.

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00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 3: The jury wound up deadlocks. The judge ordered them to

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00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 3: keep deliberating, and long story shirt it becomes a mistrial

553
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 3: because the victim did not want to testify a second time.

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00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 3: Paxson's prosecutor struck a plea deal with Hoffman, So Hoffman, please,

555
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: he's guilty. But the plea deal includes no jail time

556
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: or registry for as a sex offender for Hoffman. So

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00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 3: that's pretty fucked up. And obviously it's Paxton's people doing this,

558
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 3: but Paxton's the attorney general. Yeah, so this really grosses

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00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 3: a lot of people out, and the case becomes a

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Speaker 3: major avenue attack when he undergoes a primary challenge by

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Speaker 3: John Cornan earlier this year in the Senate race.

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Speaker 1: Right yeah, he challenges corn Indian incumbent for Senate.

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Speaker 3: The attention around this caused critics of Paxton to look

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Speaker 3: into other cases. Per the textas Tribune quote. For instance,

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Speaker 3: attack adds from Corn's allies highlight the case of a

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Speaker 3: man originally charged with child sex trafficking who received a

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Speaker 3: deal for a probation sentence, and Judge Royce Sparkman brought

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Speaker 3: up another case in open court last month, noting Paxton

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Speaker 3: had also taken over a murder for higher case that

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Speaker 3: he oversaw, which resulted in a misdemeanor plea and a

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Speaker 3: four day jail sentence. And of course Paxton still beat Cornan,

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Speaker 3: So you could be forgiven for being like, what could

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Speaker 3: take fucking this guy?

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Speaker 2: Out? Right? Yes? Points what could matter?

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Speaker 3: And I'll be honest, I was really hesitant to have

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00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: any hope about this race until extremely recently, But within

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Speaker 3: the last few days a bunch of new polling has

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Speaker 3: come out that makes this look not just competitive but winnable.

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Speaker 3: The most striking example of evidence, you know, in favor

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Speaker 3: of that would be a recent Texas Public Opinion research

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Speaker 3: poll that showed Tallerico leading paston forty five percent to

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Speaker 3: forty after multiple other polls had consistently shown a nail

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Speaker 3: bider of a race. Now, TPOR is officially a non

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Speaker 3: partisan research group, but it is run by a Democratic strategist,

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Speaker 3: so there's reason to suspect some favoritism here. The Texas

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Speaker 3: Tribune and a separate article had this to say about

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Speaker 3: the survey quote. The group's surveyed one thousand, forty eight

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Speaker 3: likely voters between July fifteenth and July seventeenth, and as

589
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: a margin of error of plus or minus three point

590
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: four percentage points. Of those poll respondents, fifty three percent

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00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: voted for Donald Trump and forty two percent voted for

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harrison twenty twenty four, making the sample only slightly

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Speaker 3: bluer than the twenty twenty four electorate, which favored Trump

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Speaker 3: by a fourteen point margin in Texas. Trump carried Texas

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Speaker 3: by five point six percentage points in twenty one, twenty

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Speaker 3: two years after the last midterm held there during his presidency,

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Speaker 3: and a recent New York Times cionopol from June found

598
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Speaker 3: an overall tie in the race. Forty seven to forty

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Speaker 3: seven percent, with tall Rico winning about five percent of Republicans.

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Speaker 3: The most significant data from this recent batch of polling

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Speaker 3: that has me hopeful, though, is that tall Rico seems

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Speaker 3: to be doing really well among non college educated voters,

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Speaker 3: which is traditionally like the strongest group for Paxton. That's

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Speaker 3: the group that has carried him over the line consistently.

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Speaker 3: And from that same article quote, perhaps the biggest outlier

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Speaker 3: was tall Rico's lead among non college educated voters, who

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Speaker 3: favored the Democrat by nine percentage points forty five percent

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Speaker 3: to thirty six percent. He led by one percentage point

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Speaker 3: among those with at least a bachelor's degree. I don't

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Speaker 3: want to suggest that the other races in Texas are

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Speaker 3: going to go this well, right, Ted Cruz is currently

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Speaker 3: about eighteen points ahead of his opponent, Colin Alred right

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Speaker 3: now among non college educated Texans in twenty twenty four. Man, Yeah, Like, so,

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Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of faith that this is

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Speaker 3: going to extend past tall Rico versus Paxton, but there

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Speaker 3: is evidence that like Paxton's longevity with the specific group

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00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: that's carried him past the line is at its end.

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Speaker 3: Like maybe there's just too much scandal for him to

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Speaker 3: stand up next to someone who seems as like relatively

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00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: squeaky and nice as tallar Rico. Now, there's other things

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Speaker 3: to credit Tallarico's successful One of them is that he's

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Speaker 3: doing a lot better than Paxton in terms of like money.

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Speaker 2: Right now, as of.

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Speaker 3: The most recent disclosures, Tallarico's campaign is about twenty one

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Speaker 3: million dollars on hand.

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Speaker 2: Paxton has less.

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Speaker 3: Than eight ton And if you remember every other election

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Speaker 3: I've got, or every other campaign of packins I've run

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Speaker 3: through here, he usually had like a two to one

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00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: advantage in funding over his opponents. So the fact that

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Speaker 3: that's kind of falling apart for him too suggests this

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Speaker 3: might be a really winnable race. Now, there are some

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00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: reasons to doubt that too. Most polls I've seen show

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Speaker 3: a number of undecided Republicans large enough to close the

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Speaker 3: gap or a tie between the two candidates led by Paxton.

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Speaker 3: And if that group all breaks for Kin, and historically

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Speaker 3: they're likely to, things could be really close or wind

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00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: up in fail of Paxton. Right, one of the polls

639
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 3: found about fourteen percent of voters of all political stripes

640
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 3: are unsure of their picks, and among undecided voters, it

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00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 3: looks like Paxton has the most room to grow. About

642
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: nineteen percent of that block that they lean towards the

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00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 3: Republican compared to ten percent to lean towards Tall Rico.

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Speaker 3: But most of them were just totally on the fence,

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00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: or at least that's what they said. So a lot

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00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 3: is going to depend on how those people break. I'm

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00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 3: not saying this is definitely going to go tell Rico's way,

648
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: But if you're talking about, like what is a race

649
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: where maybe the Democratic Party might want to actually invest

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00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: money in, I'd say, here, this thing seems winnable. And

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Speaker 3: I don't say that about Texas races often it is a.

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Speaker 1: Very particular matchup. Yeah, Paxxton has a lot of unique vulnerabilities.

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Speaker 1: Teller Coosa's doing very well and pulls for Latino voters

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Speaker 1: up like forty five points ahead of Paxton, and that

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Speaker 1: will be very crucial, especially considering ice, like that's going

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Speaker 1: to be a big factor in this race. Yeah, there

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Speaker 1: was an ice killing in Texas just a few weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: Certainly a lot of funding could come to Paxton towards

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Speaker 1: the end of the race. Sure the campaign finest ratio

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Speaker 1: could could change dramatically over time. But I do wonder

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Speaker 1: if the sort of strategy from the GOP right now,

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Speaker 1: which is like paint paint Tallerrico very early on, is

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Speaker 1: just like you know, woke gender ideology maniac will kind

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Speaker 1: of run a little bit hollow now that Trump is

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Speaker 1: in charge and Republicans control all branches of government and

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Speaker 1: the sort of like economic issues that can not be

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Speaker 1: blamed on like woke liberals sending you know, money to

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Speaker 1: sex changes in prison. It's going to be an interesting race,

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Speaker 1: very close. Another close race next Tuesday, the Michigan Senate

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Speaker 1: primary with Ice Israel in my Dreams Hailey Stevens versus

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Speaker 1: Doctor abdual Health site. They had their last debate on Monday, Elsie.

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Speaker 1: It continually hit Stevens for her corporate funding sixty million

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Speaker 1: dollars outside spending forty six million dollars of a PAC funding,

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Speaker 1: and the moderator was really going after Stevens for this too,

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Speaker 1: asking if if all this APAC funding will result in

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Speaker 1: Stevens quote unquote doing their bidding, referring to a pack

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Speaker 1: and with the pro Israel lobby. That interesting, And she

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Speaker 1: also lied about receiving funding from the local utility company

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Speaker 1: during the debate, so early voting for that's already started.

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Speaker 1: The primaries next Tuesday will cover that on next executive disorder.

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Speaker 1: Francesca Hong in the Wisconsin governatorial race also had a

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Speaker 1: debate on Tuesday. Had not seen that yet, but she

683
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Speaker 1: is really pulling ahead in polls right now, but that

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Speaker 1: that primary.

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Speaker 2: Is still a few weeks away.

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Speaker 1: But to stay on the topic of evil Republicans. On

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Speaker 1: July twenty, First Speaker Mike Johnson dismissed domestic violence allegations

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Speaker 1: against Republican representatives Max Miller and Corey Mills, saying, quote, well,

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Speaker 1: the key word there is allegation, and then said that

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Speaker 1: the House Ethics Committee would shake things out of those

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Speaker 1: two reps. Max Miller of Ohio is facing reelection in

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Speaker 1: the midst of escalating legal issues, including restraining orders, a

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Speaker 1: deformation case, and a custody battle. Max Miller's ex wife,

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Speaker 1: Emily Morano, of the America First Policy Institute and daughter

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Speaker 1: of Ohio Senator Bernie Morano, has accused Max Miller of

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Speaker 1: abusing her and their daughter while investigating suspected child abuse.

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Speaker 1: Morano told Bay Village police that Miller yelled and held

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Speaker 1: a gun to her head after she turned on the

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Speaker 1: lights to change their babies diaper Jesus. According to a

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Speaker 1: police report, Morano told police but another domestic balance incident

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Speaker 1: from earlier this year, where during a custody exchange, Miller

702
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Speaker 1: quote grabbed and threw her against the wall, which resulted

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Speaker 1: in an obvious grab mark on her upper arm and

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Speaker 1: bruising to her stomach and side where she hit the

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Speaker 1: wall unquote. This alleged incident also was in front of

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Speaker 1: their daughter, and the police report later states that Rono's

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Speaker 1: daughter told her, quote, Daddy, kill you. Morano and Miller

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Speaker 1: were married in twenty twenty two, and Morano filed for

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Speaker 1: divorce in August of twenty twenty four after telling Miller

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Speaker 1: that she wants a divorce. In June of twenty four,

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Speaker 1: Rono alleged that he threw hot, steaming water at her.

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Speaker 1: In a recorded phone call, Miller admits to what he

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Speaker 1: refers to as the water incident after his wife sat

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Speaker 1: on the call that he abused her and quote poured

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Speaker 1: steaming hot water on her neck. On the call, Miller

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Speaker 1: said that the quote unquote water incident wasn't done with

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Speaker 1: quote unquote intent to hurt his wife, Mirano, told police

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Speaker 1: she moved out of the house because she was quote

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Speaker 1: unquote scared of him. Now, all of these allegations came

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Speaker 1: to light earlier this year after Morano discovered her two

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Speaker 1: year old daughter's collar bow was broken after the child

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Speaker 1: came back from Miller's house this past February. This prompted

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Speaker 1: of cascade of investigations and back and forth court filings,

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Speaker 1: which eventually made their way into news reporting. A Bay

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Speaker 1: Village police report investigating suspected child abuse stated that a

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Speaker 1: child protection specialist found that the two year old's broken

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Speaker 1: collarbone was accompanied by a bruise that quote appears to

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Speaker 1: be in a handprint and appears to have been inflicted.

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Speaker 1: According to another police report obtained by mother Jones, Rano

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Speaker 1: recounted her daughter saying, quote, daddy's house is scary. Miller,

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Speaker 1: of course, denies all claims of abuse or domestic violence,

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Speaker 1: and has theorized that the broken collarbone was possibly caused

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Speaker 1: by a seat belt.

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Speaker 2: Why is a kid wearing a seat belt? Shouldn't they

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Speaker 2: be in a car seat when they're two?

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Speaker 1: Yes, this was part of the investigation because Miller said

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Speaker 1: this okay, and he had to show police that he

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Speaker 1: had properly installed a car seat. Right after news outlets

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Speaker 1: reported on the spousal and child abuse allegations, Miller filed

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Speaker 1: the defamation suit against his ex wife, and this is

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Speaker 1: not the first time Miller has used a deformation suit

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Speaker 1: to shut down allegations of abuse. In twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: Stephanie Grisham, a former White has press secretary in Trump's

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Speaker 1: first term, wrote in The Washington Post that her unnamed

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Speaker 1: boyfriend from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty quote unquote got

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Speaker 1: physical with her, that their relationship quote unquote turned abusive,

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Speaker 1: and that her ex boyfriend had quote anger issues and

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Speaker 1: a violent streak. These claims were later included in a book,

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Speaker 1: but earlier that year, Politico reported that Max Miller quote

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Speaker 1: pushed Grisham against a wall and slapped her in the

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Speaker 1: face at his Washington apartment after she accused him of

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Speaker 1: cheating on her.

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Speaker 2: Unquote.

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Speaker 1: Max Miller pursued Grisham for quote libelous and defamatory false

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Speaker 1: statements made about him, but he dismissed the case in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three after agreeing to a settlement. Though Grisham

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Speaker 1: is now suing Miller for breaking the settlement's NDA by

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Speaker 1: publicly claiming that Grisham fabricated in abuse allegations against him

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Speaker 1: while defending himself against new allegations of abuse by his

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Speaker 1: ex wife. Max Miller's abuse allegations have been a sort

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Speaker 1: of open secret in Washington for a while. When George

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Speaker 1: Santos was dealing with his whole thing a few years

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Speaker 1: ago on the House floor, he referred to Max Miller

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Speaker 1: as a woman beater and talked about how he didn't

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Speaker 1: want the Publican party to just turn into repeating media

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Speaker 1: attacks against each other. As he was being kicked out

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Speaker 1: of Congress. Wild he is running for re election in Ohio. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Miller has maintained support from Republicans in Congress, and

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Speaker 1: it's been backed by the President for years. Let's go

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Speaker 1: on a break and then discuss some more news.

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Speaker 2: All right, we are back, and I want to update

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Speaker 2: people on the Iranian American Legal Defense Fund versus Rubio

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Speaker 2: case we spoke about a few weeks ago. So I

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Speaker 2: have reached out to Public Citizen about this and they

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Speaker 2: haven't got back to me. I'd love to do an

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Speaker 2: interview with them. I have worked with them before and

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Speaker 2: some access to med stuff. So hopefully someone from public

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Speaker 2: citizens will listen and reply. But we have learned a

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Speaker 2: lot from the new filings in this case. One of

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Speaker 2: the things we learned that was the people were required

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Speaker 2: by ICE to meet Iranian government officials, the very people

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Speaker 2: they had fled to the USA to be safe and

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Speaker 2: protected from. It seems that the person who met them

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Speaker 2: was introduced as a consul, but around obviously doesn't have

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Speaker 2: a consulate in the United States, right, they have the

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Speaker 2: Iranian Interest Section, which is in the Pakistani embassy. This

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Speaker 2: person had information about their cases. In other cases, they

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Speaker 2: were told they had to take calls from the Iranian

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Speaker 2: Interest Section and they wouldn't be allowed to return to

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Speaker 2: their housing part until they spoke to them on the phone.

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Speaker 2: In one of these calls, the Iranian officials have they

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Speaker 2: had a transcript of the person's credible fear interview. That

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Speaker 2: is wild right. So the credible fear interview is when

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Speaker 2: people explain why they fear going back to where they

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Speaker 2: have fled. I what it is that they think the

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Speaker 2: Iranian state in this case is going to do to them.

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Speaker 2: So what the credible fear interview will will have detailed

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Speaker 2: for these people would have been their participation in Jinaaramini protests.

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Speaker 2: I saw that in sever of the testimonies. I've also

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Speaker 2: spoken to dozens of Iranian migrants who participated in those protests,

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Speaker 2: were arrested, released and realized that they were going to

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Speaker 2: be arrested again and fled or fled before they arrested.

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Speaker 2: Or their participation in the Christian faith. You see that

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Speaker 2: in a lot of the testimonies. In this case, if

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Speaker 2: the Uranian government have them writing down they are Christians,

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Speaker 2: they were distributing Bibles, they were evangelizing, like it is

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Speaker 2: absolutely not safe for these people to go back. Some

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Speaker 2: of these meetings that the OPATO have occurred right here

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Speaker 2: in San Diego, the O Time Macon Attention Center facility.

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Speaker 2: People were bought to the Iranian government official and the

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Speaker 2: official then sat down with them and tried to persuade

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Speaker 2: them to return to Iran. The official had a list

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Speaker 2: of names of people who they were going to meet

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Speaker 2: and they read it out, so even some people who

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Speaker 2: weren't there, their names were read out. So it was

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Speaker 2: like the officials either selected these people or were told

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Speaker 2: by I studios people were one of the people named

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Speaker 2: the individual as mister meher Badi, and he threatened that

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Speaker 2: they would be sent to quote Africa. So this is

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Speaker 2: the United States doing either its chain refoilment or it's

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Speaker 2: sending people to third countries deportation. Right. We also see

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Speaker 2: a lot about the current state of the asylum system

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Speaker 2: in these declarations. One person attests that she has been

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Speaker 2: and will be tortured in Iran. The judge responds to

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Speaker 2: her that everyone gets tortured in Iran. In their interview

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Speaker 2: with the quote unquote console, one person said they were

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Speaker 2: told by the consul even in the US, if you

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Speaker 2: are political, the same things can happen to you, which

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Speaker 2: is very clearly a threat. Right. The regime agent also

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Speaker 2: knew when her husband was being deported and to where,

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Speaker 2: so he had that information before he met this woman.

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Speaker 2: In another case, someone testified, then ice agent said I

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Speaker 2: will force you. This is my job, and this was

834
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Speaker 2: with reference to signing self deportation papers. They cuffed the

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Speaker 2: woman and then quote he literally forced my fingerprint by

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Speaker 2: forcing my finger to a stamp and then on a paper,

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Speaker 2: no matter how much I tried to take back my finger,

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Speaker 2: which is pretty wild. It's not the first time I

839
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Speaker 2: should add that we've heard allegations of them doing exactly this.

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Speaker 2: So many of the people in this document are women

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Speaker 2: who have stories exactly like the Iranian women I met

842
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Speaker 2: the Darien Gap. Many of them also say they took

843
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: that route. They went from Iran to either Venezuela or

844
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Speaker 2: Brazil and then traveled north from there. They also give

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Speaker 2: details of their attention conditions, which are predictably appalling, right

846
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Speaker 2: with one writing quote, water here smells very bad, and

847
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Speaker 2: we are always itchy. We all have red dots on

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Speaker 2: our skin that have also gone away on my body

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Speaker 2: after I started antibiotics and then skipping a bit. The

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Speaker 2: dental care here is unbelievably dangerous. Any happening with teeth,

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Speaker 2: and they only extract The doctors here have already extracted

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Speaker 2: three of my teeth and have told me they will

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Speaker 2: extract another three more when my antibiotics are over. I

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Speaker 2: have always taken care of my teeth. They also talk

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Speaker 2: about the I was just quote from one of their

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Speaker 2: statements here. This disclosure and then I'm adding this of

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Speaker 2: asylum information to the Iranian government. Returning to the quote

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Speaker 2: here has materially increased the likelihood that I will be

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Speaker 2: tained interrogated or tortured or killed if I ever returned

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Speaker 2: to Iran. Another said, when I saw him talking about

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Speaker 2: the Ranian consul, I was disgusted with the US government

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Speaker 2: by forcing us to bet with agents of the regime,

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Speaker 2: which I told my pod manager. Many of these people

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Speaker 2: have been in detention for more than a year. It

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Speaker 2: seems like most of these people entered in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: A member of staff at the Iranian Interest Section also

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Speaker 2: called the Iranian American Legal Defense Fund and informed them

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Speaker 2: the United States State Department had approached the Interest Section

869
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Speaker 2: to ask for help getting rid of Iranian detainees. That's

870
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Speaker 2: a quote that last getting rid of. The Iranian official

871
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: said they met monthly with ICE to select individuals for deportation,

872
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 2: and the ICE provided their asylum applications to the Iranians.

873
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: At these meetings, they said they met with someone of

874
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: Indian descent with Georgetown degree, who has described as the

875
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: general director of the Middle East Section. The meetings stopped

876
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: when the war with Iran began, but apparently they still

877
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 2: delivered documents, or at least they were delivering document In March.

878
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 2: This core from the Iranian Interest Section to the ILDF

879
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: is wild. It involves this Iranian official recounting, for instance,

880
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: that on the first deportation flight September of last year,

881
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: two people cut their wrists with razors, presumably attempting to

882
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 2: end their lives. Right, I think, go back to Iran.

883
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 2: It also details how, in many cases the United States

884
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: can't get the people's travel documents together because if they

885
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: fly of our third country to Iran, right, there's no

886
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: direct flights between the US in Iran, and so these

887
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 2: flights end up not being as full as the United

888
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: States no doubt hopes. He also says that the clothing

889
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: and state of the detainees was so poor that the

890
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: Iranian government official purchased some clothing from Costco with his

891
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: own money. He also said that at no point did

892
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 2: the United States ask Iran to guarantee their well being

893
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: in Iran. The official kind of posits himself as like

894
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: intervening on behalf of the Iranian people to make sure

895
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 2: they're treated correctly. Right, which is how generally one would

896
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 2: expect the consular administration of a state to interven on

897
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: behalf that it's in. This, though, is different, because these

898
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: people are fleeing the very government that he represents. Right.

899
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 2: I will keep covering this. I will also link to

900
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 2: the court listener page where you can read these testimonies.

901
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: They're all handwritten. They can be a little harder to

902
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: read sometimes, but there's some really shocking and upsetting stuff

903
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 2: in there.

904
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 1: For me, if you've talked about this already, and maybe

905
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: this will help us for some listeners too. How does

906
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: this relate to the asylum laws that the United States has? Like,

907
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: have they been denied asylum in so called immigration courts

908
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: and this is the process for removal And how is

909
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: that actually like decided because like these people seem to have,

910
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: like in the testimon as you're reading, very credible fears,

911
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: to the point where they're attempt to like harming themselves

912
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: to avoid going back to this state.

913
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it seems like most of these people entered

914
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: after Trump came in with his Day one effectively like

915
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 2: southern border crossing asylum ban, right, And so they are

916
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: having to fight their cases from detail, which is what

917
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: they are doing. In some cases they are already appealing

918
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: because the government has found that they don't have a

919
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: credible fear or that they're otherwise not eligible for asylum.

920
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: The reason the ILDF knows about these people, is that

921
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: that is what it is doing as a nonprofit group,

922
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: is helping them fight fight their cases. Sure, it shows

923
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 2: a pretty fucking bleak situation. Like people do still get asylum.

924
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: I hear about it occasionally, you know. I hear from

925
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 2: from friends in the community who do court accompaniments that

926
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: they occasionally have a success still. But with the way

927
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: that the Trump administration is purging the ranks of immigration

928
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: quote unquote judges, that's getting less and less likely. So,

929
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: like these people are in that system, many of them

930
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: are either in ever spiraling delays, right, because we have

931
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 2: fewer and few of these judges because they're getting purged.

932
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 2: More judges are coming on board now, or they are

933
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 2: already appealing or going through the cat process conventioning against

934
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 2: torture process. Right. These are the sort of asylum claims

935
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: that are like in the bullseye. Yeah, of what an

936
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,479
Speaker 2: asylum claim is, right, Yeah, all of these people in there.

937
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: I didn't want to read them out because I don't

938
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: think there's any reason to traumatize people. Nearly all of

939
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 2: the detailed torture, most of the women detail sexual abuse.

940
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: They talk about the horrific things they went through on

941
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: the way here too, Like, this is like friend and

942
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: center of what you would think a like textbook asylum

943
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: case would be normally. And there are exemptions for some

944
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 2: Christian minorities or religious minorities from Iran or largely Christian

945
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: people right in some of these visa bands. But these

946
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: people didn't come that way, right. They didn't come by

947
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: applying for a visa. They came across a southern border. Like,

948
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: it's very possible that one of the people in this

949
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: case is somebody I met in the darying gap at

950
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 2: the timing would line up. It's been really fucking upsetting

951
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: for me reading these things. Thank you for that context.

952
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 2: Earlier in this episode, we talked about attacks on the

953
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: First Amendment as a part of the Trump Admin's cracked

954
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 2: down on the left. But before we close, I want

955
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 2: to go over a novel case of state repression against

956
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: an Atlanta based activist. This is a first of its

957
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: kind case focusing on an extreme privacy feature of GrapheneOS,

958
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: an open source operating system for Android phones. This feature

959
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 2: is known as a dress password, a special code that,

960
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: when inputed into a phone's locked password screen, triggers a

961
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: wipe of certain data on the phone. Last November, a

962
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 2: federal grand jury indicted an Atlanta activist for allegedly wiping

963
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: the data on his phone after being detained at the

964
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 2: airport upon re entering the country in January of twenty

965
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: twenty five. US attorneys to say this was in violation

966
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: of Title eighteen USC. Section two two three two A,

967
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: that is, the destruction or removal of property to prevent seizure.

968
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Speaker 2: The short, single paragraph.

969
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: Indictment reads that the defendant quote did knowingly destroy, damage, waste,

970
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: dispose of, and otherwise take any action to delete the

971
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: digital contents of a Google Pixel cellular phone for the

972
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: purpose of preventing and impairing the government's lawful authority to

973
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: take said property into its custody and control before and

974
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: during the search for and seizure of property by Customs

975
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: and Border Patrol Tactical Terrorism Response Team Supervisory Officer JC.

976
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: That's the name of the officer.

977
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: Last week, this case had its first hearing, which was

978
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: focused on a motion filed by the defense to suppress

979
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: evidence and statements for violations of the fourth, fifth, and

980
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: sixth Amendments. According to the motion, the FBI Atlanta Joined

981
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: Terrorism Task Force coordinated with CPB to question and search

982
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: US citizen Samuel Tunick as he was returning to the

983
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: United States from the Dominican Republic because of his associations

984
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: with the Defend the Atlanta Forest Movement or Stop Coop City,

985
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: which we have covered on this show. Basically, after arriving

986
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: at the airport, CPB put to Nick in secondary inspection,

987
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: where their tactical Terrorism Response team quote proceeded to question

988
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: mister Tunic, search mister Tunick's body and all his belongings,

989
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: and insisted that he provide the password for his phone.

990
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: Despite mister Tunick's request to speak with his lawyer and

991
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: not engage any further questioning, the officers insisted they could

992
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: question mister Tunic and search his phone to determine whether

993
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: he had child porn. Evidently this was a pretext for

994
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: a phishing expedition into mister Tunick's connections with the Defend

995
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Forest Movement unquote. A journalist Timothy Pratt reported

996
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: in the Guardian that during last week's hearing, it was

997
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: revealed that, unbeknownst to Samuel Tunnick, the federal authorities had

998
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: put him on a terrorism watch list, and that a

999
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: Homeland Security agent circulated an email three hours before Tunic

1000
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: arrived back in Atlanta containing his name and photo and

1001
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: indicated that he was being investigated for quote unquote, suspected

1002
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: terrorism activities. I think it is important to mention that

1003
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: Samuel Tunick to this point has not been charged with

1004
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: terrorism and does not face any charges directly related to

1005
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: protest activity for defend the Atlanta Forest or stop cop City.

1006
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: According to the defense's motion, Tunic early and repeatedly during

1007
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: questioning so that he would not speak without his lawyer,

1008
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: but the officer has ignored these requests and never mirandized Tunic.

1009
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: The motion states that the officers told him, quote, because

1010
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: you're refusing to talk, which is you're right, we have

1011
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: the authority to go through your phone to see what

1012
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: we're looking for. After officers demanded his phone password a

1013
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: second time, Tunic asked again why he wasn't allowed to

1014
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: call his lawyer, and the officers responded, quote, when it

1015
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: comes to immigration and customs, right, it's a whole different ballgame,

1016
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: and we have search authority. We don't need a warrant unquote.

1017
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 2: I'm not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. If

1018
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 2: this is something you a cancerned about then you should

1019
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: seek out legal counsel. I'm just going to give you

1020
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: my best understanding of it. This is a civil situation.

1021
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 2: Well it's also a criminal situation for him now, But

1022
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: like when you're entering the border, these these are civil

1023
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 2: proceedings and so that that's why you're generally not mirandized.

1024
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: Depending on where you enter the United States and what

1025
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: circuit you are in, they can inspect your telephone. My

1026
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 2: germinal understanding is, should you refuse to unlock that telephone,

1027
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 2: you can expect to leave without your telephone. The general

1028
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: way that they do this is for them to put

1029
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 2: the phone on airplane mode and then search it because

1030
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 2: they are searching the device that is entering United States,

1031
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 2: not the remote cloud stuff that is not on the device, right,

1032
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 2: Because they are inspecting a thing that is crossing the border, right,

1033
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: and that is within their purview in most circuits in

1034
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 2: the United States right now as federal andtion offices. And

1035
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: then the other thing I would add, at some point,

1036
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: I think we're going to see a Supreme Court case

1037
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 2: about it, and this might be the one right that's

1038
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 2: very possible. Yeah, well be it. There'll be other elements

1039
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 2: to this case, right, Like, as you said, who destroyed

1040
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: the data that was on the phone is something that's

1041
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 2: very much not legally clear to me. Right, did Graphene

1042
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: destroy the data? Did the BP agents when they entered

1043
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 2: that pass code destroy the data? Right? Or did the

1044
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,439
Speaker 2: person destroy the data? Yeah?

1045
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 1: This this case is a whole bunch of legal gray areas.

1046
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: This is the first time we've seen a case about

1047
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: a dressed password. The exact way this introgation went and

1048
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: introduces a lot of questions on when exactly this regular

1049
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: border patrol questioning turned into an actual interrogation based on

1050
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: allegations of a crime. Right with this mention of child

1051
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: sexualbast material and all those things could possibly trigger different

1052
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: legal statutes in various court cases.

1053
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 2: Now.

1054
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: The motion says that officers explained to Tunic that he

1055
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: would have to give over access to his phone quote,

1056
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: whether it was done with his cooperation or not. Eventually,

1057
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: mister Tounick provided a password to his cell phone and

1058
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: e reader. According to the government, when the CPP officers

1059
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: entered the password on his cell phone, quote, the screen

1060
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: went blank, flashed several times, and the phone appeared to restart.

1061
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: After this, another officer entered the room to conduct a

1062
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: pat down, which Tonic did not consent to, but they

1063
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: did anyway. Then a DHS agent arrived with three other

1064
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: individuals to conduct another interview, which Tunic did not consent to,

1065
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: and pointed to his attorney's card to quote from the

1066
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: motion again quote. The agent explained that he was seizing

1067
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 1: mister Tunic's electronic devices and that they would be returned

1068
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: to mister Tonick after thirty days. Notably, the DHS agent

1069
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: explained that mister Tonick was quote not under arrest, but

1070
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Speaker 1: once these gentlemen are done with you, pursuant to your

1071
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 1: entry into the country, you're free to leave unquote. So

1072
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: this motion to spress evidence argued that the border questioning

1073
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: became quote unquote custodial in nature when mister Tunic was

1074
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: not able to leave, was never informed of his rights

1075
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: and was denied access to his lawyer, and so any

1076
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: quote evidence obtained from his phone or lack thereof, should

1077
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: be suppressed as fruits of unlawfully obtained evidence. The specific

1078
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: statute that he's been charged with eighteen Usc.

1079
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Speaker 5: Two two three two.

1080
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: Refers to quote the government's lawful authority to take such property,

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Speaker 1: so this motion is arguing that the exact way this

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Speaker 1: properties was taken was not lawful. Yeah, to quote from

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Speaker 1: the motion again, I think we'll expound on this quote.

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Speaker 1: CBB officers introduced themselves to mister Tunic and explained that

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Speaker 1: they were looking for people who are pedophiles. Officers justified

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Speaker 1: their questioning and demands to search mister Tunick's phone by

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Speaker 1: stating that they had to confirm whether he possessed child porn.

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Speaker 1: The government's reports do not indicate any suspicion whatsoever that

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Speaker 1: mister Tonick was in possession of child porn, but rather

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Speaker 1: that their purpose in detaining mister Tonk and excusing his

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Speaker 1: belongings was to investigate his ties with the Defend the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta Force movement. To an unmorandized statement, the alleged wiping

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Speaker 1: or encryption of the contents of his phone by providing

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Speaker 1: agents with a specific password is testimonial in nature. Mister

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Speaker 1: Tonick had not been charged with committing a crime in

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Speaker 1: connection with the Defend the Lanta Force movement, but law

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Speaker 1: enforcement seemly took advantage of the relaxed constitutional protections at

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Speaker 1: the border to try to dig up evidence. Unquote, and

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Speaker 1: the motion states that circuit courts have contradictory rulings if

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Speaker 1: this sort of search is permitted, if you can search

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Speaker 1: someone's phone at the border, not to actually intercept digital contraband,

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Speaker 1: but to fish for evidence in an unrelated criminal investigation. Now,

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Speaker 1: something that may come up if this goes to trial

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Speaker 1: is technically using Graphene's stressed password, it doesn't not delete

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Speaker 1: all of the data on the phone, but rather the

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Speaker 1: phone loses the ability to access its encrypted data. Graphios

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Speaker 1: wrote on x the Everything app quote our duress pin

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Speaker 1: slash password leaves all the encrypted data on the device intact.

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Speaker 1: It only wipes keys in the hardware key stores the

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Speaker 1: secure element and encryption metadata. It's a near instant and

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Speaker 1: then it powers off the device to wipe ram unquote.

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Speaker 1: So basically it wipes what the phone needs to decrypt

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Speaker 1: its contents and read the data. Though Graphene followed up

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Speaker 1: on Twitter quote, we doubt that's legally different from wiping

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Speaker 1: data unquote. So this technicality may or may not actually

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Speaker 1: matter to the court. But this might not be a

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Speaker 1: sort of get out of jail loophole that I see

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Speaker 1: some people online presenting it as Graphios further explained that

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Speaker 1: the dress password wipe should be legal not because of

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Speaker 1: this quote unquote tech loophole, but because the defendant quote

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Speaker 1: wasn't being investigated for any actual crime, wasn't under arrest,

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Speaker 1: wasn't retas rights before being interrogated, it wasn't under oath,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, adding that it's quote near impossible that they

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Speaker 1: get anything of value if the phone was in before

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Speaker 1: first unlock with a strong passphrase plus second factor fingerprint

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Speaker 1: unlock set up unquote whether or not this stress password

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Speaker 1: was used, it is very unlikely that federal authorities would

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Speaker 1: have been able to break into a phone running the

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Speaker 1: Graphine operating system. That means that the device has been

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Speaker 1: fully turned off and has not been unlocked since being

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Speaker 1: turned back on. Similarly, it is very hard to break

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Speaker 1: into an iPhone running iOS's lockdown mode with a complex

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Speaker 1: alpha numeric password before first unlock. The combination of all

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Speaker 1: those things can make it really hard to break in.

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Speaker 2: We saw that right Reese with a reporter from get

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Speaker 2: Who one of the broadsheets whose phone was using lockdown mood.

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Speaker 2: They've said they couldn't open. Yeah, I guess I will

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Speaker 2: just say that, Like if people want to know more

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Speaker 2: about border searches and telephones. I would suggest going to

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Speaker 2: Electronic Frontier Foundations page EFF dot org. They have a

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Speaker 2: great deal of information and you can find a lot there.

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Speaker 2: It's currently the Southern District of New York, which is

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Speaker 2: the one that requires a warrant, but there are various

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Speaker 2: other degrees that we don't have the time, nor is

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Speaker 2: this the place for us to go over. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: EFF always a good source for the ship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like James said, this is a case that

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Speaker 1: could become Supreme Court precedent over time. This is invoking

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Speaker 1: a bunch of legal gray areas. The motion here to

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Speaker 1: supress evidence probably won't be decided on until it be October,

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Speaker 1: so this is going to go on for quite a while.

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Speaker 1: This is another new frontier in digital privacy and how

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Speaker 1: that relates to the law, which the Supreme Court has

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Speaker 1: taken up a lot of cases on recently. So this

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Speaker 1: this could become a very influential case going forward. So

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Speaker 1: I wanted to go over some of these details now,

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Speaker 1: and we will certainly be covering this in the future

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Speaker 1: as this as this case progresses. Yeah, the outlook hasn't

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Speaker 1: been great so far. I would say with this like

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Speaker 1: the the US versus Belmonte Cardoso was the most recent

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Speaker 1: case that was I think this week or last week. Again,

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Speaker 1: not the place to go into this, but I will

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Speaker 1: include a link in the source notes if you want

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Speaker 1: to read about some of the case law. I think

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Speaker 1: that does it for us today.

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