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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Egg Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Today we are joined by PGA tour star Luke Donald.

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Speaker 1: Like to thank Luke for his gracious time. He stayed

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Speaker 1: with us for about an hour and hope you guys

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Speaker 1: enjoy this podcast with the former number one ranked player

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Speaker 2: The fried egg requires a different technique. What you need

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Speaker 2: to do is actually square the face so they'll dig

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Speaker 2: down underneath that bad lie and propel that ball right

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Speaker 2: out onto the green.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Playing out of a buried lion of

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Speaker 1: bunker is completely different than playing out of a nice

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Speaker 1: and clean lion of green side bunker.

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Speaker 3: You need to be aggressive on any show, weather it's

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Speaker 3: sitting cleanly or it's Frida egg.

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Speaker 1: Well, we've all faced it, the dreaded Frida egg.

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Speaker 2: Not to be cleared though.

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Speaker 3: It's actually a pretty easy shot to hit.

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Speaker 1: You played a lot of golf in in Chicago. What

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Speaker 1: are what are your favorite courses?

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Speaker 3: Wow, lots of lots of good ones in Chicago. I

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Speaker 3: think it's a little bit of a hidden gem of

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Speaker 3: a place for for golf courses. Some of my favorites

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Speaker 3: Chicago Golf Club obviously very fortunate to have played there

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Speaker 3: shore acres. You know, I practice and play when I'm

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Speaker 3: up there in the summers at Conway Farms. I got

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Speaker 3: a north Shore country club. I love Skokie. It's a

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Speaker 3: great course. Well, I'm trying to think of some other ones.

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Speaker 3: But we were very fortunate when I was at college,

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Speaker 3: you know, to play a rotation of golf courses and

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Speaker 3: you know, some really good ones to some of those

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Speaker 3: of good ones.

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Speaker 1: What was the Northwestern is an interesting school because it's

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Speaker 1: you're very urban. I mean, you're pretty much like essentially

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Speaker 1: like in a extension of Chicago. What was it like

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Speaker 1: when you know, coming to America and going to school

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Speaker 3: Was it?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: I actually think I was very fortunate to kind of

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Speaker 3: Northwestern growing up in England. You know, I think America

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Speaker 3: is like a very different country to England in terms

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Speaker 3: of you know, you're just not that aware of all

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Speaker 3: the different colleges and college golf and college sports is

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Speaker 3: You know, I'd heard of Harvard and Stamford and Yale

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Speaker 3: through TV and stuff. But I was recruited by Stamford.

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Speaker 3: Tiger at the time was still on the team, and

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Speaker 3: I thought, well, Tiger's great player. You know, I've heard

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Speaker 3: of Stamford. This seems like a perfect fit. But ended

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Speaker 3: up not getting there. And the coach there, Wally good

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Speaker 3: when was a former Northwestern coach, so he said, you know,

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Speaker 3: I feel bad you didn't get in the school. I

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Speaker 3: think you should go visit Northwestern. You know, a good

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Speaker 3: friend of mine, Pat Gas, has just become coach, and

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Speaker 3: I think you'd really like it. So I didn't have

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Speaker 3: And I just absolutely loved the place. I fell in

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Speaker 3: Pat took me around just for my official visit. But

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Speaker 3: I think I was very fortunate that I ended up

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Speaker 3: Or Georgia Tech or Oklahoma State, you know, somewhere that

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Speaker 3: where the culture very different to where I grew up

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Speaker 3: in England. You know, I think Northwestern being right close

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Speaker 3: I think in that way, for me, culturally, it wasn't

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Speaker 1: How was it? And you've spent a lot of, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think so. I think even you know, even just

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Speaker 3: how did you practice? How did you get better? You know,

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Speaker 3: We were top twenty team in the nation when I

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Speaker 3: So again I think just sometimes having that practice in

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Speaker 3: on things, you shouldn't really worry about what the ball is,

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Speaker 3: think even in my best years on tour in twenty eleven,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of recharged mentally.

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Speaker 3: I mean, more other sport plays all year round. I mean,

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating too, because what you see with teams that

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Speaker 3: It's Tom Brady, right, Yeah, I agree with you though. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I think rest recovery is really really important and it's

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Speaker 3: think you're seeing probably more injuries because of it.

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Speaker 1: That's Brady was talking. I heard somebody talking about how

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Speaker 1: Brady's like arm strength, he focuses so much on technique

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Speaker 1: And it's because he's focused so much on the technique

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Speaker 3: Is Yeah, it's this interesting. You know, he obviously has

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Speaker 3: But I don't know. Whatever he's doing, it's working.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's scary think about how many might end up with.

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Speaker 1: So at Northwestern you were an art and theory major, and.

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Speaker 3: Your theory and practice art theory of practice.

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Speaker 1: So you also in your downtime like to like to,

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Speaker 1: So an age long debate with golf is like is

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Speaker 1: And I know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: I can't run during the word. But you know that

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Speaker 3: that has worked over through lots and lots of work

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Speaker 1: So being one of the you know, best players around

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Speaker 3: And I think the Risks breakdown was you know, me

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Speaker 3: trying to keep up with some of the guys, you know,

435
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 3: trying to find some extra lanes, trying to hit it harder.

436
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 3: I've already always had a little bit of a risty swing.

437
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:17,239
Speaker 3: I never really use my body to turn, so you know,

438
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,479
Speaker 3: when that happened, it was just a good reminder, like,

439
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Speaker 3: let's just play what you're good at. You know, you're

440
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 3: not gonna it's pointless trying to chase too much distance.

441
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 3: You're just going to injure yourself again, So concentrate on

442
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Speaker 3: what you can control and and be good at that.

443
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a thing that a lot of players

444
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Speaker 1: went through with with you know, kind of the rise

445
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Speaker 1: of Tiger, the lengthening of the courses. You know, Martin

446
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: Kaimer famously was trying to learn to draw the ball

447
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: for Augusta and then you know when he went back

448
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 1: to hitting the fade, he all of a sudden won

449
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: a bunch more again. And it's it's a fascinating thing

450
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Speaker 1: with you coming back from a back. You know, you're

451
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Speaker 1: dealing with a back injury. Now, is it different because

452
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Speaker 1: of the back? Is it harder to do like long

453
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Speaker 1: sessions putting and stuff like that.

454
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'm obviously a little bit older than I

455
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Speaker 3: was when I when I injured my wrist, which is

456
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Speaker 3: two thousand and eight. But so I've got time is

457
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Speaker 3: going against me a little bit. But we're fortunate in

458
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Speaker 3: this game. You know, I can play too on sixty

459
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 3: really on the Champions Store if I want to. What's

460
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Speaker 3: been Langer? He might be sixty now already and still

461
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 3: crushing out there. But you know, I'm trying to see

462
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Speaker 3: this back injury as you know, something similar to the

463
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Speaker 3: wrist injury. You know, it doesn't feel very good at

464
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Speaker 3: the time, you know, and you're being out and it's frustrating,

465
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Speaker 3: but hopefully it's a positive. Again. It's given me some

466
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Speaker 3: time to look at you know, why did this happen?

467
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Speaker 3: You know, there's obviously some things going on in my

468
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Speaker 3: swing that we're causing a little bit of this inflammation

469
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Speaker 3: in my back, and so, you know, I think I'm

470
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Speaker 3: improving not only my setup, my fundamentals in my golf swing,

471
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Speaker 3: but hopefully this will lead to more consistency in my

472
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Speaker 3: long game. And I mean I've got to be a

473
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: little bit careful in terms of reps and smashing balls,

474
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Speaker 3: but I've been that way for quite a few years

475
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: now since having kids. I'm more efficient with my practice.

476
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 3: Still practice hard, but I practice smart and I'm not

477
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: out there, you know, eight hours a day every day.

478
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Speaker 3: You know, I can do a good session in four

479
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: hours and feel like I have done enough work to

480
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 3: be to be one of the best players out there.

481
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Speaker 3: So it's again trying to turn a positive into a

482
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Speaker 3: negative into a positive.

483
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Speaker 1: No, that's I think that I think it gives you.

484
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: I feel like when you're in the hole and you're

485
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Speaker 1: you're looking at the same problem day in, day out,

486
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Speaker 1: every day and you're going and you know, grinding. Like

487
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: for me, I'm always like you know, in there thinking

488
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Speaker 1: about golf and writing and thinking about other stuff. Is

489
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Speaker 1: like when you take days off or like even just

490
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Speaker 1: a day off is so valuable because you come back

491
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Speaker 1: with a completely refreshed perspective. But then you know, I remember,

492
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Speaker 1: I went on our honeymoon and I came back after

493
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Speaker 1: like a you know, ten day break, and like, I

494
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: was so refreshed, and I had a whole new perspective

495
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: on so many of the same problems I was looking

496
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Speaker 1: at every day and day out. Like you, it allows

497
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Speaker 1: you time away to to really think and wash away

498
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Speaker 1: like the conclusions you have in your head from looking

499
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Speaker 1: at it through the same lens.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree. I think that's why weekends are so

501
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: important for the guy that works, you know, Monday to Friday.

502
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 3: You know, they need that break, that break, that refresh

503
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 3: feeling so they can tackle the week in front of them.

504
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: But I've even actually, in some of my off off

505
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: time been doing some puzzles, and again I think it's

506
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: good for the brain, and you know, a thousand piece

507
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 3: puzzles and I'll work on them but if I'm over

508
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 3: it for like an hour looking at it something you

509
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: just can't see anything. You step away for an hour,

510
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: come back and you're like, oh, that was why didn't

511
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: I see that piece of that piece of that piece,

512
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 3: that piece goes there. It's amazing how you can become

513
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: stale by you know, just being in doing something over

514
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 3: and over again without that that kind of break.

515
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're just you're doing the same thing. It's

516
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: like you're becoming more of a robot instead of a

517
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, what makes humans so special. It's like the

518
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: ability to you know, think and adapt and you know

519
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: that's it's a fascinating.

520
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 3: Remember you only got to get a little bit better

521
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 3: every day, so you know, you're not trying to, you know,

522
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 3: take major steps. I think some people, you know again,

523
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: if you can just get tiny little bit better every day,

524
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 3: then that over time, that's going to lead to something great.

525
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Speaker 1: It's somebody said to me once I was when I

526
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Speaker 1: was a high school golfer, like, you know, they're these

527
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: great players in the area. It's like, yeah, they said

528
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Speaker 1: to me, And it didn't make any sense then, but

529
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Speaker 1: it's like, well, like the hard thing for him is

530
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: going to be how does he get better you know

531
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Speaker 1: now that he's here, because like once you're really great,

532
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: a really great golfer. I think this is what the

533
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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of you know, fifteen handicaps. Going

534
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: from fifteen to ten is tough, but going from you know,

535
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Speaker 1: I imagine seventieth in the world to twenty fifth is

536
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Speaker 1: even harder. You know, like trying to pick up those small,

537
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: little percentage points that make the biggest difference.

538
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think you have to think about it

539
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 3: that way if you if you start, you know, you

540
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: you've got to break break things down into little goals

541
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 3: that you feel like can be accomplished. You know, if

542
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 3: something seems too big, then just break it down into

543
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 3: little things. And I think of a time you accomplish

544
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: those little things and that will lead to that bigger thing.

545
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 3: It's just it's all about you know, we hear the

546
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: word process and stuff like that. I think it's easy

547
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 3: to get ahead of ourselves, but if you do it

548
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: that way, I think it becomes a lot easier.

549
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: So with you know, you have regular events the weekend

550
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: week out, PGA tour, grind, and then everybody does a

551
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Speaker 1: little bit different. For majors, how would you say your

552
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: preparation over your career for majors has been different. Does

553
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,479
Speaker 1: it differ for different venues, Does it differ for different

554
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Speaker 1: majors or is it just the same.

555
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: I think at times it differed. You know, I tried

556
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 3: lots of different scenarios. Obviously it was never successful up

557
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: until this point to get the right scenario. Been up

558
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 3: there quite a few times and had some good chances.

559
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: But you know, I think Augusta was always the one

560
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: that you tried, could prepare a little bit easier, you know,

561
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: I'd go up there quite a bit before and practice

562
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 3: and play, and even though that course wasn't specific, sued

563
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: towards my game, you know, since some of the changes

564
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: in two thousand and four or five, that was the

565
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 3: course I probably spent the most time playing before the

566
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Speaker 3: actual tournament. I think one because it was special and

567
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: it's very cool, and you never know how many times

568
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 3: you're going to have that opportunity to go practice if

569
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: you're eligible to be in that field. But the other majors, yeah,

570
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 3: I tried playing before the week before, I tried taking

571
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Speaker 3: weeks off before. I just think sometimes it's you're going

572
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: to be your time, and you just find that grooving

573
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 3: golf and sometimes it's it's not going to work out.

574
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: But I never found like the quine of kind of

575
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:58,239
Speaker 3: the right, yeah, the right what I needed to do

576
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: to be peaking at that major those majors. I came

577
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: close a few times, but that was tough. Yeah, what

578
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: was it?

579
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Speaker 1: What was your favorite major venue that you've played in

580
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: to date?

581
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 3: I would probably go back to There's a few of them. Obviously,

582
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: I had a pretty good chance at Marion at the

583
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: US Open, played with Justin Rose in the final group

584
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: there when he went on to win. You I enjoyed

585
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 3: that kind of cool, quirky course. I love the Open Championship, obviously,

586
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 3: being being from England. Again, I go back to ones

587
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 3: I've had chances. I suppose Turnbree had a good chance

588
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: for years. Stuart sinq One absolutely love that golf course.

589
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: I always loved playing at Saint Andrews, you know, just

590
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 3: because of the feel, the history and what St Andrews is.

591
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: That was That was the course I never really enjoyed

592
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Speaker 3: the first few times I played, I just didn't quite

593
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: understand it. I can open open field with bumps and humps,

594
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 3: and then the more I played it, the more, the

595
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 3: conditions changed minutely and it just changed the course completely.

596
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 3: And you know how important angles were to some of

597
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: the pins, and you know all all those kind of

598
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 3: cool architectural features that Saint Andrew's you know, just kind

599
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 3: of had that that was always a special place for

600
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 3: me to play.

601
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean, you hear it with so many

602
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: people as like the first time around, they just don't

603
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: even have a clue what's going on.

604
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 3: And then do you do you.

605
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: Have like a light bulb moment of like when you

606
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: were like, oh, oh this is this is it?

607
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 3: Well, just certain holes, you know, even you think of

608
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: for me, especially like that that fourth hole. You know,

609
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: I wasn't if the wind was anywhere in my face,

610
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 3: I couldn't carry that mound, you know, which was that's

611
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 3: the easy way to go, just go down the left

612
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 3: hand side. But you know, if that pin is tucked

613
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 3: over on the left hand side, you've got no angle

614
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 3: to hit it towards those pins. So you have to

615
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: take it down that right hand side, that narrow little place.

616
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: It's a couple of bunkers waiting for you to give

617
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 3: yourself the great angle. And you know, I think it's

618
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: easy to kind of just blow it to the wide

619
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: part of the hair fair way. But you know, having

620
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 3: creating that perfect angle to to some of those left

621
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 3: pins is it's pretty cool, you know, And you have

622
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 3: that's that's when you have to step up and hit

623
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 3: great shots around s and Andrews.

624
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 1: I know, I know you have some interest in golf

625
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: course architecture. Is that something that you're looking to get

626
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: into more as as you you know, as.

627
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Speaker 3: You Yeah, I would, I would, I would love to.

628
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 3: I've done well. I've done a little bit of work

629
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Speaker 3: with Dave's Incolan who worked, you know a long time

630
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 3: with Corn Crane Ure. He was their lead shaper for

631
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 3: I think fourteen years, and he's doing some work on

632
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: his own and we're we're looking at some projects to

633
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 3: do down the road. Even you know, you know, we've

634
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 3: even talked to Canal Shaws, the little place in Chicago

635
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 3: about maybe doing something there. So that would be fun.

636
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 3: But yeah, I love I love I love architecture. I've

637
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: you know, I've read some of the books. I love

638
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 3: Corn Crenchaw, I love the dope stuff. Yeah, golf course

639
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 3: for me is you know, isn't necessarily about score two,

640
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: which I think some architects kind of they're very score related,

641
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 3: which you know, obviously is great if you're designing a

642
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: tour course, I guess. But you know what about their

643
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 3: the ninety eight percent of the golfers that are playing,

644
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: you know, it's just going to be a tough challenge

645
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 3: for them. But yeah, for me, you know, using the land,

646
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 3: you know, good aesthetics, good good fun, interest in greens,

647
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 3: you know, those kind of things, kind of the types

648
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 3: of architecture that I enjoy.

649
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: It's it's fascinating. I think about the core Crunch Shaw stuff,

650
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: and obviously, like Trinity Forrest was the first time outside

651
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: of Capellua where like core Crunch Shaw Dope have really

652
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: had a course that the world's best have played on.

653
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: The modern best architects, you know, golf courses, I guess

654
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: Gil Hansen Rio was another example. But from your perspective,

655
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: when you go play one of these types of golf courses, yeah,

656
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: is it is it necessarily easier?

657
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 3: It might be?

658
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: Is it easier to score or is it you know

659
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: it does it present different challenges than your standard TPC course.

660
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: I haven't played Trinity Forest, but certainly played some good

661
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 3: core Crunch or course is one of my favorite would

662
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: be you know, Friar's heead Long Island. You know, when

663
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: I played that, I was just blown away how how

664
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 3: much fun it was to play. You know, a lot

665
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: a lot of people I always get the question, what courses?

666
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 3: What's your favorite course to play? And a lot of

667
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 3: them really aren't tour courses. You know. Tour courses are

668
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 3: courses you might play well and shoot sixty six round.

669
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 3: If you struggle, you're going to shoot seventy six. You know,

670
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 3: it's a little bit more score related, whereas you know

671
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: courses I love to play. Yeah, it's quite easy to

672
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 3: shoot sixty two now and again I think score isn't

673
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 3: really important though, But I could also walk off shooting

674
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 3: seventy two and not played well and thought I love

675
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 3: this course. Yeah you know this. I just had so

676
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 3: much fun playing it, you know, fun green complexes, you

677
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 3: know again, strategy off the team making you think, you know,

678
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 3: even most of these places now I have quite wie fairlies,

679
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: but there's an art to it. You know, you really

680
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 3: have to step up on the tea and where's the pin?

681
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: Where am I going to hit this? You know, whereas

682
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: tour courses have a little bit less of that these days.

683
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: So I'm curious is if you took par like the

684
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: concept of you know, seventy two being par and he

685
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: went somewhere like you know where you describe where it's

686
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: say it was, just if you threw par out the window,

687
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: how do you think the you know, if you played

688
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: a professional tournament at one of these courses, would there

689
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: be would it be much different in terms of like

690
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, the leaderboard, like would you see more varied

691
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: styles and such?

692
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 3: Well, I think that the type of course still has

693
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 3: that overriding fact of you know, who's who's going to

694
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 3: do well, who's not going to do well? But certainly, mentally,

695
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 3: if you take par out the equation, I think it

696
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 3: just does change it. We talked about this a little

697
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: bit earlier about how Pebble Beach that one year they

698
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: turned the second hole from a part five to a

699
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 3: part four, and when it was a part four, the

700
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 3: scoring averages was higher. So mentally, I think without any

701
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: relevance to par, yeah, would that be easier probably?

702
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: I guess yeah. And if they just weren't concerned with

703
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: guys shooting sixty two's or fifty eight or and they

704
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: just went to courses that were different, you know, because

705
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: that's I guess from me being I watched a ton

706
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: of tour golf, but I also have interest in architecture.

707
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: Is like, I think there's like there isn't a ton

708
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: of stylistic difference between a lot of the golf courses

709
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: on tour, and I think like Harbortown's a perfect example

710
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: that is stylistically very different than almost every other course.

711
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: I think Trinity four would be another one that's stylistically different,

712
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: But then you know it's sandwiched and you know a

713
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: lot of courses that are very similar. Do you think

714
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: like if you scored apart, is you know it restrains

715
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: the options of tournament venues?

716
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, I haven't really thought

717
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: about this and the best way to answer that, but

718
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 3: certainly have a variability is nice.

719
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: You know.

720
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 3: I think even Riviera would probably be on that list too.

721
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 3: It's like it's of course you play and you think

722
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: this is a little different to most weeks we play,

723
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 3: just has some classic features, some quirkiness, and you know

724
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: it certainly if people asking me what one of my

725
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 3: favorite courses on tour, that would be one of them.

726
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: At the top of them.

727
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: What's fascinating about Riviera is that I think Charles Howell

728
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: is the only player and I have this written down somewhere,

729
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: I looked it up, but he was the only player

730
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: younger than twenty eight to win there. In the like

731
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: the last like sixteen years, all the winners have been

732
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: twenty eight or over, which is to me utterly fascinating.

733
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think again it's one of those classic courses

734
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 3: that's gonna wear on you. I think with some patience,

735
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 3: real understanding of where to miss it, where not to again,

736
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 3: it brings in a little bit more strategy and thought.

737
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: There's so many cool features. The bunker in the middle

738
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: of the green on the sick, the split fairway on

739
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: a you know, obviously not very long path. He's the

740
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: tenth or it's obviously talked about as one of the

741
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 3: greatest risk of all path fours in the world. So yeah,

742
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: there's a lot strategy that course. And I think when

743
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: you when you add a little bit of strategy, guys

744
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 3: who've had experience, guys who understand that sometimes backing off

745
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 3: is more valuable than just going full tilt, and I

746
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 3: think over four rounds, you're going to give them the advantage,

747
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: and that's probably why older guys, uh more experienced guys

748
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 3: tend to do well Riviera.

749
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Riviera, that seems that's a course we're positioning

750
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: in being you know, with the with the way the

751
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: greens are and the deep bunkers being fifty yards away,

752
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: Is it always advantageous versus you know, being one hundred

753
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: and twenty in the right spot?

754
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 3: Right? I think so a little bit to do with

755
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 3: the grass. The cuku is not a grass you can

756
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 3: really run up, you know, you know, a fifty yard shot,

757
00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 3: those that the Polana greens you know, have quite a

758
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 3: firm first bounce usually unless it's rained a lot. So

759
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,959
Speaker 3: that fifty yard shot with a like four or five

760
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 3: yard you know, on the green with not much green

761
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: to work, but it's impossible to run it through that cocuya.

762
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 3: So you have to be very precise. So you know,

763
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: those kind of things. Yeah, Like you know, just getting

764
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: it close to a part five and too, it's maybe

765
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 3: not always advantageous. Maybe laying back having that one hundred

766
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 3: yard shot, the fuller shot creates some spin. Maybe that's

767
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 3: a little bit of an easier and a better way

768
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 3: to play that place.

769
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: With growing up in in England, you obviously were exposed

770
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: to a lot of great golf early at a young age. Like, what,

771
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: what were your favorite places over there?

772
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I grew up near London, so got to play

773
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 3: quite a few of the Heathland courses, you know, Sunningdale,

774
00:44:54,239 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 3: the Parkshire. I've never played the Swindley far but you know,

775
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: we've obviously played some also some golf up kind of

776
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 3: you know, the we would play. I've played Hillside, I've

777
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: played more Town, I've played I'm trying to think of

778
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: some of the other great ones. Obviously I played a

779
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 3: lot in Scotland and Ireland, but I'm trying to think

780
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: of good ones in England. You know, obviously live them

781
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 3: and there was a bunch of those great ones around

782
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 3: that Liverpool area that that I got to play, but

783
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 3: a lot of really good ones in in London too. Yeah.

784
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: What what players growing up did you kind of idolize

785
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: the most? From like a you know, professional standpoint.

786
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: You grew up loving Fouder and Sevy were my two idols,

787
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 3: probably for very different reasons. You know, I think I

788
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 3: was in awe Fouder and his work ethic and how

789
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: meticulous he was and just the small details he'd went to.

790
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 3: You just felt like the guy was on the range,

791
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 3: you know, from morning till dusk. You know Sev obviously

792
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: for his short game, his his flare, his ability to

793
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 3: get the ball up and down from anywhere. I think

794
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 3: that influenced me certainly. Very two different, very different personalities,

795
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 3: but those were the two guys that for very different reasons.

796
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: What kind of idols in my eyes?

797
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: Your your bunker player. Could you know you could go

798
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: toe to toe with Seva? That would be would be

799
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: a fun like I always wonder why golf doesn't have

800
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 1: like a skills challenge.

801
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 3: I'd still give it to Sev. I mean, he never

802
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: even had a sixty degree where he didn't even know

803
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 3: what that was, so he could work magic with I

804
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: think his highest wage was probably fifty six maybe degrees.

805
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: So what do you think would happen if they took

806
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: away wedges above fifty six degrees? This just popped into

807
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: my head.

808
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you would have to understand fundamentals a

809
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 3: little bit better. You know, the huge amount of bounce

810
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 3: sometimes now we have on wedges that help us, you know,

811
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 3: around the greens try to minimize some of it, and

812
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 3: they were the grooves and on the like. But they

813
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 3: certainly haven't ever thought about minimizing loft. But that might

814
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 3: be an interesting one, I mean learning, you know, suddenly

815
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 3: it feels like nowadays you can pretty much get to

816
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: any pin unless the greens are quite undulating. But most

817
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: greens we still play on tour, you know, modest and

818
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 3: somewhat flat. Green speeds are faster take it. But you

819
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: know that that again, the amount of people who have

820
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 3: sixty degree and sixty four degree with wedges, you know,

821
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 3: pretty much you short side yourself, you can still give

822
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 3: yourself a good chance of getting the ball up and down.

823
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 3: Imagine if you only had a fifty six, that's becomes

824
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 3: a little bit more difficult. You have to really learn

825
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 3: how to use that wedge well to create the correct

826
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 3: spin to get one of those short side shots close.

827
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: It'd be interesting. I always, you know, I know that'll

828
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: never probably happen. I've always wanted to see, like, you know,

829
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: like a seven or four or five club event. You know,

830
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: you know, if you be so fascinating to see the

831
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: shot making, I think that's that's one of the things

832
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: I wish, is like seeing all the creativity and all

833
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: the shots that you know, you guys can hit would

834
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: be the most fascinating aspect of it. But with the

835
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: modern equipment, it doesn't seem you don't have to hit

836
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: all the shots all the time.

837
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 3: No again, strategy, I believe you know, it is so

838
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 3: much less than it was when I first came out

839
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 3: and tour. You know, course managements, it's not really there's

840
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 3: not too much of it these days. But yeah, five

841
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 3: club Challenge tournament, that could be interesting. I think people

842
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 3: would still put the driver in. I think, yeah, I

843
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: got it.

844
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: So let's kind of wrap some stuff up here and

845
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: a few quick quick hits, you know. So, like, what's

846
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: been the most memorable moment, Like, what's the moment you

847
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: think about most going back to your career at this point.

848
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 3: It probably have to be my my playoff win over

849
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 3: Lee West when it went worth, just because it got

850
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 3: me to number one. It was at the place just

851
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 3: down the road from where I grew up. I had

852
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 3: lots of family and friends there. I think it was

853
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 3: a fun night of celebrations. That was That was quite

854
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 3: I've knocked on the door for a couple of months

855
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 3: leading up to that, having good chances to get to

856
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 3: number one, and couldn't quite quite do it, and so

857
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 3: it was obviously meant to be to to wait to

858
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 3: wait my time until a place like Wentworth where very

859
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 3: close to where I grew up.

860
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw it like Harvardtown. You lost in the

861
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: playoff to snedd o certain number one. Then if you'd

862
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: got it's it's a yeah, that's it.

863
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 3: I remember.

864
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: I actually remember that you hit a wedge real close on.

865
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, playoff Hall hitting pretty close and west west he

866
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 3: hit one and got a lot of spin and just

867
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 3: just crept into the water there. But yeah, thankful for

868
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 3: that victory.

869
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 1: Who's who's the player that like, best player to hang

870
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: out have like a pint worth.

871
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: Mm hmm key one that. Yeah, lots of funny guys.

872
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 3: Obviously made lots of good friends during Ryder Cups. You know,

873
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 3: we had a we had a group group WhatsApp chat

874
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 3: going for the Ryder Cup, which was kind of fun.

875
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 3: And you get to even just through that experience, you know,

876
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: different personalities. Tommy Fleetwood has a great sense of humor. Yeah,

877
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: I've obviously been good friends with Sergio. He's not much

878
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 3: of a drinker, so I wouldn't choose him. I don't

879
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 3: know it's a good one. I don't know. I had

880
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 3: a few good times over the years though, but I

881
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 3: don't think of anyone specific.

882
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: What was the best Ryder Cup memory.

883
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 3: Best shot I ever hit? Probably the Rider Cup was

884
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 3: my seven aa madina against Tiger and Stricker in the

885
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 3: four Walls. You know, just at the time we were

886
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 3: we were we were getting beaten pretty handily. I mean

887
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,479
Speaker 3: we were down ten to four, I think at the time,

888
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 3: and you know, obviously I think what what it meant

889
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 3: in the grand scheme of things, and obviously we had

890
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 3: the big comeback on Sunday, but winning that point and

891
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 3: then Poulter and Macroori winning their point to get to

892
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 3: ten six to even give us a sniff I think,

893
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 3: And obviously against one of the greatest players of all time,

894
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 3: he just stuffed it into five feet and seventeen. He

895
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 3: just burdied the hole before sixteen. And the pressure was

896
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 3: all on us. We were only worn up, having been

897
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 3: four up at the turn. You know, it was all

898
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 3: going away. It looked like here goes, We're gonna maybe

899
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 3: lose his point and maybe get it half. And then

900
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 3: suddenly I was able to come up with with the

901
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 3: goods hit it inside him. We matched birdies and then

902
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 3: half the last hole to win the points. So that

903
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 3: would probably be my best shot.

904
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: What's the one where the tournament that you didn't get

905
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: it done or you know, that sticks with you the most?

906
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 3: Mm Probably that US Open with justin you know, I

907
00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 3: think it's funny that was that was a positive time

908
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 3: that probably turned into a negative. And I'll explain it

909
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 3: because you know, obviously positive because I had a great

910
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 3: chance to win that US Open. I walked off Sunday

911
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 3: having watched Rose do his thing, you know, pure it

912
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 3: the whole way around. I mean we saw that four

913
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 3: iron on the last and nearly went in the hole.

914
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 3: I mean every shot was just down the middle. And

915
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 3: I walked away thinking, man, my game doesn't feel like that,

916
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 3: especially off the tee, and I tried to I tried

917
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 3: to change a few things. I actually went away from

918
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 3: Pat Oss. I went to a different coach for a year,

919
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 3: went to Chuck Cook, and you know, obviously I haven't

920
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 3: really been as good since that time. I think, you know,

921
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 3: obviously went back to Pat. But it took some unraveling

922
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 3: to you know, the swing that I tried to go

923
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 3: to wasn't really working. I'm not taking anything from Chuck

924
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 3: and what he does, but it wasn't right for me,

925
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 3: And you know, looking back, I wish I'd just stuck

926
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 3: to what I knew I was good at. It was funny.

927
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 3: It was a time where I had a great chance

928
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 3: to win a major and I walked away thinking I

929
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 3: needed to change things. And it's just it's a crazy

930
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 3: the way we think. Yeah, but you know, obviously led

931
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 3: to some kind of poor golf, and yeah, I wish

932
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 3: I'd had that back. You know, I wish I'd either

933
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 3: played a bit better or even played really worse. I

934
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 3: don't know, but yeah, maybe even not having been paired

935
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 3: with with Rosie would have changed, you know, the next

936
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 3: few years of my life. Who knows. But it's hard

937
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 3: to have hindsight with that because it's, well, it was fascinating.

938
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: Is that if you flipped the situation and you win,

939
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: Rose probably would have gone God, I got.

940
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 3: It, and I would have been playing like he has lost.

941
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: Years in the crazy. The crazy stuff about it is

942
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: like as a golfer, I feel like you're always envious

943
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: of what someone else has, and they're always looking at

944
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: you and are enviously.

945
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 3: You never realize that part though, do you.

946
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: And that's the hardest thing to think about, and I

947
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 1: never really thought about it until what you just said.

948
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you always want something that somebody else has

949
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 3: and when really you should be just concentrating. I think

950
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 3: that when I got to number one, that was what

951
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 3: my biggest skill was. I knew what I was good at,

952
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 3: and I just concentrate on that. I didn't care that

953
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 3: I didn't hit it as far as everyone or whatever.

954
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 3: I knew that if I could do this as well

955
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 3: as I needed to be, then I could be as

956
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 3: good as I wanted to be, really, you know. And yeah,

957
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 3: even though there was strokes gained. I think that year

958
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 3: twenty eleven, I was around even strokes gained off the tea.

959
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 3: But I knew that I needed to gain practically two

960
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 3: strokes around on average to be number one in the world,

961
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 3: and I had to do it through my strengths.

962
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: So that that time you were just all, you know,

963
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: focused on how do I control?

964
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, not worrying what other people were good at,

965
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,479
Speaker 3: worrying what I was good at my skill set.

966
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a yeah, that's a good point. It's like

967
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,919
Speaker 1: you get wrapped up you're always looking at what other

968
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: people are doing in any industry. You know, if you're

969
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: if you're a sales guy, you know you're looking at

970
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: what the guy down the down the road is doing.

971
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: That's you know, maybe beat you two months in a

972
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: row is and you're like, oh, maybe I'll try and

973
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: do that. But I think with like sales, for example,

974
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: like what makes you unique as you? You know, and

975
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: you can't try and be somebody else?

976
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 3: Why be ever anyone else? Everyone else is taken. Someone

977
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 3: told me just be you. It's a good quote.

978
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: So uh, that's it. That's what I got. I really

979
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on, I think sure and taking the

980
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: time and given more than well.

981
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 3: Enjoyed your podcasts and everything you're doing. So good luck

982
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 3: with it.

983
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, when are the fans going to see your next.

984
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 3: I'll be out soon either Honda or Tampa hopefully. So

985
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 3: making some good progress, building some great resiliency in my back,

986
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 3: you know, just being taking it quite easy. I want

987
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 3: to make sure I get it right. But looking forward

988
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: to a busy summer hopefully. Yeah, Harbortown, there we go.

989
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 3: Let's get that win.

990
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: I know

991
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 3: Exactly