Speaker 1: Good morning, Peeve Senna, Welcome to Okay f Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody Recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,
Speaker 1: you know if you like me, yesterday, decided to do
Speaker 1: anything anything else other than listen to the twice impeached
Speaker 1: criminal ass insurrectionist, grifting motherfucker Donald Trump announced that he
Speaker 1: is going to be running for president again for a
Speaker 1: third time in twenty twenty four. Um, then you'll probably
Speaker 1: need some type of update. Um. I decided to basically
Speaker 1: stare at a wall because I found that more entertaining,
Speaker 1: interesting and informative than listening to a grift ass lying motherfucker.
Speaker 1: But let me say this what really has gotten me
Speaker 1: as I woke up and read all of you know,
Speaker 1: the headlines and seeing how the media once again is
Speaker 1: going to fail the American people in terms of the
Speaker 1: type of coverage that they're going to supply Donald Trump with.
Speaker 1: You know, we shouldn't be here, right, we shouldn't even
Speaker 1: be in this place. And why shouldn't we be here? Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't know, because we should have a Department of
Speaker 1: Justice that is a run by a person who is
Speaker 1: invested in creating a justice system that doesn't have multiple tracks, right,
Speaker 1: meaning that if you happen to be wealthy, white male
Speaker 1: and cists and a former president of the United States,
Speaker 1: that you get to go track yourself on easy Street
Speaker 1: where nothing touches you. The road is made of teflon
Speaker 1: and all as well. It doesn't matter what crimes you've committed.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how boldly you have proclaimed those crimes.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you have said out loud find
Speaker 1: me eleven thousand, six hundred and some odd votes. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter that you have created companies that are basically
Speaker 1: shell operations to scam people out of an education, out
Speaker 1: of money, that you can do whatever the fuck you want.
Speaker 1: We shouldn't be in this position because we should have
Speaker 1: a Department of Justice that two years, almost two fucking
Speaker 1: years since this motherfucker sent thousands of people to kill
Speaker 1: his vice president of the United States, that he let
Speaker 1: armed insurrectionists into a rally and then pointed them in
Speaker 1: the direction of the Capitol Building, that he wouldn't be
Speaker 1: able to announce his presidency because he would be in jail,
Speaker 1: he would have been under indictment, he would be fending
Speaker 1: off right, not just federal investigations but he would actually
Speaker 1: be fending off several indictments, right, so he wouldn't have
Speaker 1: the time, the space, or the place to be able
Speaker 1: to announce a third attempt at running for office. But
Speaker 1: that's not where we live, right. We live in America,
Speaker 1: where whiteness is beyond the best currency that you could
Speaker 1: possibly ever have, Where wealth right essentially wraps that you know,
Speaker 1: skin in every different kind of defense, bulletproof, teflon tool
Speaker 1: that you could possibly have, Where you can say whatever
Speaker 1: you want, you can do whatever you want. You can
Speaker 1: be accused of multiple cases of sexual assault, you can
Speaker 1: be accused of grifting, you can be accused of inciting
Speaker 1: a riot, and all of these things. And guess what,
Speaker 1: Because you're white, and you're well healthy, and your siss
Speaker 1: and you're famous, you get to run for president of
Speaker 1: the United States. Not only does Donald Trump continue to
Speaker 1: pose an absolute threat to our democracy, right, not only
Speaker 1: do his words essentially fall on the ears of people
Speaker 1: who are so trigger happy, right that they pose with
Speaker 1: their ar fifteens, right, that they are so trigger happy
Speaker 1: that they actually put up target practice with the faces
Speaker 1: of members of Congress. That they are so trigger happy
Speaker 1: that one of them went and broke into Speaker Pelosi's
Speaker 1: home and violently assaulted her husband with a hammer. Donald
Speaker 1: Trump shouldn't just be in jail. He should be under
Speaker 1: a jail with a fucking muzzle over his mouth, because
Speaker 1: that is what actual justice would look like in this country. That,
Speaker 1: you know, attempting to overthrow the government, attempting to incite
Speaker 1: an insurrection, attempting to steal an election, breaking the emolument's clause.
Speaker 1: I mean, the list fucking goes on and on and on.
Speaker 1: But Donald Trump is walking free. Oh I'm sorry. He
Speaker 1: also stole a boatload of fucking documents that you know,
Speaker 1: pinpoint nuclear intelligence and agents and all of these things
Speaker 1: as well, but still friends close to two years to
Speaker 1: the anniversary of the insurrection, and Donald Trump is free
Speaker 1: to announce that he is going to run again, to
Speaker 1: try and run again our country into the ground. Now,
Speaker 1: what I find most interesting is this a couple of
Speaker 1: things right, One that Donald Trump's own daughter, Ivanka Trump,
Speaker 1: you know, the only one that he actually likes, wrote
Speaker 1: this on her Instagram following the announcement of the twice
Speaker 1: impeach criminal ask President her father on Instagram. This is
Speaker 1: what she wrote, I love my father very much. This
Speaker 1: time around, I am choosing to prioritize my young children
Speaker 1: and the private life we are creating as a family.
Speaker 1: I do not plan to be involved in politics. While
Speaker 1: I will always love and support my father, going forward,
Speaker 1: I will do so outside the political arena. I am
Speaker 1: grateful to have had the honor of serving the American people,
Speaker 1: and I will always be proud of many of our
Speaker 1: administration's accomplishments. Would one of those accomplishments be putting children
Speaker 1: in cages? Well, one of those accomplishments having had over
Speaker 1: four hundred thousand Americans die of COVID nineteen because your
Speaker 1: father lied about how contagious and serious the virus was
Speaker 1: in order to stoke up fear and weaponize a virus.
Speaker 1: Is that one of the accomplishments. Is it running the
Speaker 1: Department of Education into the ground. Is it potentially having
Speaker 1: tweeted us into war with Iran? Is it embracing white
Speaker 1: supremacists so that they felt like they had a leader
Speaker 1: in the White House? Which one of the many accomplishments
Speaker 1: do you think that Ivanka Trump is pointing to? And
Speaker 1: we know exactly what Ivanka Trump is doing, because she's
Speaker 1: the brightest of the batch of idiots that are the
Speaker 1: spawn of the Trumps, and that is creating an arm's
Speaker 1: length of distance between herself and her twice impeached criminal
Speaker 1: ass president father, right that she don't want to get
Speaker 1: roped up wrapped up in this that you know. Of course,
Speaker 1: there's no real investigation that's going on with her husband
Speaker 1: and how he managed to score two billion dollars from
Speaker 1: Mohammed been Alam, the Saudi Prince, following his exit from
Speaker 1: the Trump administration. Could it have anything to do with, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, the myriad of files that you know
Speaker 1: Donald Trump was hiding at Mara Lago. Could it have
Speaker 1: anything to do with the access that MBS was given
Speaker 1: to the I don't know, entirety of the United States
Speaker 1: because he had the president and Jared Kushner in his pocket.
Speaker 1: But there's no investigation that's really happening. They are nothing
Speaker 1: of Nope, because again, why straight siths wealthy? You know,
Speaker 1: you get to run shit and everybody else has to
Speaker 1: duck and cover. I'm just so fucking tired, right, I'm
Speaker 1: just I am. I am so tired of the media
Speaker 1: and their lack of investigation and interrogation, their lack of
Speaker 1: coverage that actually lays bare the facts of who Donald
Speaker 1: Trump is. I'm so fucking tired of people twisting themselves
Speaker 1: into knots and contorting themselves so that they don't offend
Speaker 1: the far right, so that they don't offend Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: I'm so tired of the chicken shit bullshit out of
Speaker 1: our fucking media that is supposed to be right about
Speaker 1: informing the public. They're supposed to be a check and balance.
Speaker 1: I'm tired of us embracing liars. I'm tired of no
Speaker 1: one being held accountable for anything that they fucking do,
Speaker 1: so long as they are white, so long as they
Speaker 1: are straight, so long as they assist and connected to
Speaker 1: powerful people. I'm tired of it. Merrick Garland has failed
Speaker 1: the American people because Donald Trump should have never been
Speaker 1: given the opportunity to announce a fucking run. It's like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? And then I have people that
Speaker 1: have the audacity to tell me on this failed social
Speaker 1: media app Twitter that, oh my god, do you want
Speaker 1: it done faster? Do you want it done right? Bitch?
Speaker 1: Are we swimming in molasses right now? Are you fucking dumb?
Speaker 1: Do you know how quick black and brown boys and
Speaker 1: men are picked up on the street and charge the
Speaker 1: book thrown at them for the smallest fucking offenses. And
Speaker 1: you're telling me that we have a laundry list of
Speaker 1: offenses in criminal activity that Donald Trump has done and
Speaker 1: ain't not one fucking indictment rollout since that motherfucker left office.
Speaker 1: That is bullshit. It's bullshit and an absolute travesty and
Speaker 1: a miscarriage of justice for our democracy. You want to
Speaker 1: know why our democracy is still at risk because we
Speaker 1: architects of the insurrection are still running around free. Because
Speaker 1: you have Clarence Thomas who is still voting to deny
Speaker 1: access to phone records and rightfully doing so, because nobody
Speaker 1: has opened up in an impeachment inquiry into him and
Speaker 1: his fucking involvement with his insurrection. As wife, I'm just
Speaker 1: sick of the bullshit, y'all. Like it is exhausting. And
Speaker 1: that's why I'm so grateful for my next guest and
Speaker 1: the conversation that we have around the importance of truth
Speaker 1: and integrity and character. Doctor Lewis V. Baldwin has written
Speaker 1: a book entitled The Arc of Truth, The Thinking of
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Junior, and in this book is what
Speaker 1: many have said is the definitive volume on Martin Luther
Speaker 1: King Junior's understanding of truth. And I want to read
Speaker 1: you just a little bit about what this book is
Speaker 1: about and why we should be reading it, particularly in
Speaker 1: this time. Martin Luther King Junior said and wrote as
Speaker 1: much or more about the meaning, nature, and power of
Speaker 1: truth as did any other prominent figure in the nineteen
Speaker 1: fifties and sixties. King was not only vastly influential as
Speaker 1: an advocate for and defender of truth, he also did
Speaker 1: more than anyone in his time to organize truth into
Speaker 1: a movement for the liberation, uplift, and empowerment of humanity,
Speaker 1: efforts that ultimately resulted in the loss of his life.
Speaker 1: Draw on King's published and unpublished sermons, speeches, and writings,
Speaker 1: The Arc of Truth explores his lifelong pilgrimage in pursuit
Speaker 1: of truth. Ultimately, King's significance for humanity is not only
Speaker 1: his contributions as a preacher, pastor, civil rights leader and
Speaker 1: world figure. He was and remains equally impactful as a theologian, philosopher,
Speaker 1: and atheists whose life and thought evince and enduring search
Speaker 1: for and commitment to truth. I can think of no
Speaker 1: better time to have a conversation about inevitable truths, about
Speaker 1: the truth of who this nation is, the truth of
Speaker 1: the dream that America is and was supposed to offer
Speaker 1: to all of its inhabitants, and how doctor Martin Luther
Speaker 1: King's dream for humanity cannot be realized when there are
Speaker 1: alternate realities that people are existing in. So the conversation
Speaker 1: that I have with doctor Baldwin today is about the
Speaker 1: threat that our democracy is under because of disinformation, misinformation
Speaker 1: and flat out lies that have taken hold in the
Speaker 1: hearts and minds of tens of millions because of Donald
Speaker 1: Trump and Trumpism. Can we get back to a place
Speaker 1: of shared truth. That's a question that I asked doctor Baldwin. Next, folks,
Speaker 1: I am very excited to welcome to woke f Daily
Speaker 1: for the very first time doctor Lewis Baldwin, scholar and
Speaker 1: author of the book The Arc of Truth, The Thinking
Speaker 1: of Martin Luther King Junior. Doctor Baldwin, we are living
Speaker 1: in a really perilous time in this country in terms
Speaker 1: of our relationship to the truth. Yes, can you talk
Speaker 1: about why you think that we are in this crisis
Speaker 1: and how the lessons the lessons that we can learn
Speaker 1: from doctor Martin Luther King, Junior and his relationship to
Speaker 1: the truth. Yes, I think there's always a mental problem
Speaker 1: in this country with us coming to terms with truth. Certainly,
Speaker 1: I'll use an example, I'll fail you to come to
Speaker 1: terms with the sad, painful and uncomfortable truths about our history,
Speaker 1: particularly as that relates to the treatment of people's of color,
Speaker 1: communities of color. And there's always Doctor King understood this
Speaker 1: that our entire during our entire history, we've had a
Speaker 1: problem coming to terms with truth. And I think what
Speaker 1: we see today as a product of that in political circles.
Speaker 1: Because actual facts, objective truths, scientific facts no longer figure
Speaker 1: significantly in public discourse and certainly not in political discourse.
Speaker 1: Scholars are writing today about the post truth age, an
Speaker 1: age in which there is a breakdown of the old
Speaker 1: standards and true additions as they relate to truth and
Speaker 1: truth telling. And doctor King grew up in a family
Speaker 1: in which truth was considered a supreme value, and throughout
Speaker 1: his public life he told us repeatedly that the struggle
Speaker 1: involved essentially coming to terms without truth about ourselves, living
Speaker 1: up to our self evident truths as expressed in our
Speaker 1: founding documents. So he taught us a lot about the
Speaker 1: power of truth and truth telling. And he also taught
Speaker 1: us a lot about the moral obligation to speak truth
Speaker 1: to power. And that's why I think doctor King is
Speaker 1: relevant in these times when truth and facts seem to
Speaker 1: no longer matter. You know, at the beginning, I would
Speaker 1: say of the Trump presidency, America was introduced to a
Speaker 1: term called alternative facts. By at that time, Kelly Ann
Speaker 1: Conway said, do you have facts, and you have alternative facts?
Speaker 1: And in the media, in the media, folks laughed, right,
Speaker 1: and they and they they thought that that was funny.
Speaker 1: That would be a very crucial moment I think for
Speaker 1: our political consciousness and our understanding of what should be
Speaker 1: expected from our political leaders. How do you think that
Speaker 1: the media and I would say political scholars in general,
Speaker 1: kind of failed in that moment. Something that was presented
Speaker 1: as serious they laughed off. What should we have done instead?
Speaker 1: I think there should have been a response from religious leaders,
Speaker 1: from where I'm meaning politicians, and from the general public.
Speaker 1: Because when the term alternative facts was used, it was
Speaker 1: obvious at that time that the direction that we're trending
Speaker 1: in of course was not good that we were moving
Speaker 1: further and further away from a truth telling culture and
Speaker 1: to a point where we no longer lived in the
Speaker 1: same reality. And I think that is the problem today.
Speaker 1: So many of us live in different realities, and it's
Speaker 1: hard to get people to a point of reality when
Speaker 1: they're not living in the same reality. And I think
Speaker 1: we've allowed conspiracy theories, lies, disinformation from the highest levels
Speaker 1: of our political life to shape public discourse in this country.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, we have hood much from religious leaders in
Speaker 1: terms of will pushback. We haven't heard much from politicians
Speaker 1: who who have moral sensibility. They have not done much
Speaker 1: in terms of pushback. And of course, unfortunately, those of
Speaker 1: us in the public square have not only celebrated figures
Speaker 1: who engage in anti truth telling and conspiracy theories, we
Speaker 1: have rewarded them in so many instants, and that I
Speaker 1: think is problematic. How do you see the disinformation that
Speaker 1: doctor King was wrestling with in the nineteen fifties and
Speaker 1: sixties and the disinformation that we are wrestling with now.
Speaker 1: Because Doctor King was called everything outside of his name
Speaker 1: right by white supremacist, racist leaders. He was called a liar,
Speaker 1: he was called an extremist. He was called all of
Speaker 1: these things. And yet it was during a time when
Speaker 1: we had three major news stations that we all watched,
Speaker 1: we had the same radio programs that we all watched,
Speaker 1: now decades later, that misinformation and disinformation is pervasive, and
Speaker 1: how how do you how do you see how we
Speaker 1: how we deal with it? Because America, in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways, um if I'm not mistaken, has been based
Speaker 1: on a lot of lies about our founding, um so,
Speaker 1: and how we are developing from that lie. It's very
Speaker 1: difficult to um live truth when you've never lived truth.
Speaker 1: That's been the problem in this country. The founding fathers,
Speaker 1: of course, said in the Founding Documents that they are
Speaker 1: certain self evident truths that we hold dear, and we've
Speaker 1: lived throughout our history with those self evident truths, often
Speaker 1: referring to them that all men have created equal, They're
Speaker 1: endowed by their creator with certain inhalenable rights that among
Speaker 1: these life lived in the pursuit of happiness. The problem
Speaker 1: is that we've spoken of these truths in theoretical terms,
Speaker 1: in terms of ideals and spoken words, but we have
Speaker 1: never lived out those truths and acted properly on those truths,
Speaker 1: and this is what doctor King was trying to get
Speaker 1: us back to. He was trying to get us to
Speaker 1: the point where these truths are no longer expressed in
Speaker 1: our public discourse and our political discourse, but that they
Speaker 1: become a part of our lives and the way we
Speaker 1: act in the world, the way we treat each other
Speaker 1: as as citizens of this country. So doctor King, I think,
Speaker 1: not only an authority when we speak to these issues.
Speaker 1: He's a resource. He's an inspiration, I think, because he
Speaker 1: taught us always that truth matters, and I think we
Speaker 1: had a point now where we have to reclaim that.
Speaker 1: One of the things, one of the things that I
Speaker 1: find incredibly troubling myself a former educator, is this desire
Speaker 1: now to ban books, to go to go back to
Speaker 1: a place where we are banning books and narrowing curriculum
Speaker 1: to guard white children from the truth about their ancestors.
Speaker 1: What do you make about again, this push for disinformation
Speaker 1: by shielding particularly white children from learning the truth about
Speaker 1: this nation's finding It goes back to what I said
Speaker 1: a little earlier in terms of this failure to come
Speaker 1: to terms with certain truths about our history and our
Speaker 1: heritage and you're right. There's a national campaign of eratia
Speaker 1: and book banning going on now. Almost two thousand books
Speaker 1: have been banned, and of course the argument is that
Speaker 1: white children will be hurt psychologically in terms of their
Speaker 1: own self identity and self esteem. But I think doctor
Speaker 1: King was right when he quoted Jesus. It is the
Speaker 1: truth that will set us free. I'd lies and I
Speaker 1: think those who are involved in this national campaign of
Speaker 1: eratia and book banning, they think that they can protect
Speaker 1: future generations by hiding satan truths and satin facts about
Speaker 1: this nation and nation and its history. But that cannot work. Again.
Speaker 1: It is the truth that will set us free. And
Speaker 1: I think in this society, which is a democratic society
Speaker 1: claims to be rooted in representative and participatory democracy, people
Speaker 1: should have the freedom to read what they want. Children
Speaker 1: should have that kind of freedom because only then can
Speaker 1: they learn the truth. Doctor King said that only truth
Speaker 1: can lead to a better understanding of humanity, to a
Speaker 1: better understanding of life in the world, to a better
Speaker 1: understanding of who we are as a people and as
Speaker 1: a nation. Has there been in your in your time
Speaker 1: of study, writing and reflection, Doctor Baldwin A country that
Speaker 1: has wrestled with their history in a way that has preserved,
Speaker 1: I guess, the sense of patriotism, but through the lens
Speaker 1: of honesty. That has happened to some extent in Germany.
Speaker 1: You we all know what happened during the World War
Speaker 1: two era with the rise of Hitler and Nazism and
Speaker 1: the slaughter of Jewish people in parts of Germany. There
Speaker 1: have been attempts on the part of religious leaders and
Speaker 1: others to come to terms with that ugly, uncomfortable and
Speaker 1: painful side of their history and to live on a
Speaker 1: high with the vision told a higher human ideal and
Speaker 1: a higher ethical idea. So that has happened to some extent,
Speaker 1: but in this country there's never been an effort, and
Speaker 1: I think doctor ingland right. Such an effort should be
Speaker 1: led by religious leaders, an effort to bring this nation,
Speaker 1: to bring us all to a kind of reckoning with
Speaker 1: our history and our heritage, even the ugly, uncomfortable and
Speaker 1: painful side of that history and heritage. But that's been
Speaker 1: a failure to do so. And hopefully now with the
Speaker 1: recent election, we have hopeful signs that there are voices
Speaker 1: emerging that will will compel us to look seriously at
Speaker 1: our history, at who we are, and to come to
Speaker 1: terms with that history, and to recommit ourselves to the
Speaker 1: highest ideals of this country as they relate to the
Speaker 1: fulfillment of certain self evident truths. Doctor King was not
Speaker 1: an old man when he was assassinated. He was actually
Speaker 1: quite young. And we love to believe in this country
Speaker 1: that our battle with the civil rights movement was eons ago,
Speaker 1: when it was just close to sixty years ago, that
Speaker 1: there are young people who remember Jim Crow, who remember segregation.
Speaker 1: Do you think that we have put too much distance
Speaker 1: in terms of a timeline in our understanding of how
Speaker 1: much or how little America has grown and reckoned with
Speaker 1: its quote unquote original sin, that we like to pretend
Speaker 1: that it was so long ago, when in all honesty,
Speaker 1: it really wasn't. And is that a part of also
Speaker 1: us erasing that element of truth that's true, that's right.
Speaker 1: It speaks to our tendency to forget. We believe a
Speaker 1: lot of us entirely in American exceptionalism, and we've long
Speaker 1: felt that if you really believe in American exceptional exceptionalism
Speaker 1: and you're patriotic, then you're going to leave the ugly
Speaker 1: side and the painful side of that history aside and
Speaker 1: focus on what is positive about us and about this
Speaker 1: nation and about our history. I think there's been a
Speaker 1: failure on the part of institutions in this country to
Speaker 1: keep alive that history of the Civil rights movement and
Speaker 1: what it was about, because the Civil Rights Movement was
Speaker 1: really about forcing us to come to terms with truth
Speaker 1: about who we are. And our churches and our schools
Speaker 1: and our community centers and other institutions and society have
Speaker 1: failed to consistently teach that history and to stress the
Speaker 1: importance of that history. So when children and youngsters are
Speaker 1: not learning that history of this entire nation, the history
Speaker 1: of the Civil Rights movement, then there's a tendency to forget.
Speaker 1: And I think what we are seeing today in this
Speaker 1: national campaign of erasia and book pointing is to force
Speaker 1: us further away from the truth about this nation, the
Speaker 1: truth about our history and heritage. So yes, I see
Speaker 1: that failure in our society today, and it's occurring at
Speaker 1: all levels of society, among all groups in society. It
Speaker 1: raises ethnic groups who are not teaching history as it
Speaker 1: should be taught. Doctor Baldwin, what gives you hope in
Speaker 1: this moment of time, this reckoning that we are living
Speaker 1: in in America, because it is not America's first reckoning, right,
Speaker 1: and I doubt that it will be the last. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So what what gives you hope and faith that we
Speaker 1: will at some point, maybe not in either of our lifetimes,
Speaker 1: but at some point actually realize the fullness of not
Speaker 1: only Doctor King's dream, but the founding Father's ideas of
Speaker 1: a true democracy. Yes, I have hope in part because
Speaker 1: I believe deeply in what Doctor King said. He said
Speaker 1: often that truth crushed to earth will rise again, that
Speaker 1: truth always prevails. A lie cannot live forever, and I
Speaker 1: tend to believe that myself. I also think that there
Speaker 1: are certain hope for signs that go in our society
Speaker 1: to day. One. Of course, the recent election election denies
Speaker 1: us lost large margin. The ers of this country rejected
Speaker 1: the big lie, a lot of lies about the election,
Speaker 1: about the voter suppression. Those lies were rejected, The conspiracy
Speaker 1: theories all rejected in our most recent midterm elections. That too,
Speaker 1: gives me hope. I think that most Americans are beginning
Speaker 1: to realize that we cannot continue to live in an
Speaker 1: anti truth telling culture, that we need to reclaim truth
Speaker 1: as a supreme value. Not only reclaim truth, we need
Speaker 1: to elevate and cherish truth and also demand truth. Otherwise
Speaker 1: we cannot continue to sustain ourselves on a basis on
Speaker 1: the basis of a firm foundational, moral, and spiritual values.
Speaker 1: I think we're beginning to realize that, and of course
Speaker 1: that gives me hope as well. And the last question
Speaker 1: for you, what are you hoping that folks take from
Speaker 1: from your book The Ark of Truth? What are you
Speaker 1: hoping that that readers who have heard have been taught
Speaker 1: about Doctor King take from it during this time in particular,
Speaker 1: I would say first of all, that the search for
Speaker 1: truth is a lifelong quest. I think we all need
Speaker 1: to realize that we have to if we're moral and
Speaker 1: rational beings, we engage in truth as a lifelong pursuit.
Speaker 1: And this was true about Doctor King. And I think
Speaker 1: the second thing I would say is that we need
Speaker 1: to learn from doctor King that truth is not simply
Speaker 1: about the study of ideals or spoken words. It's also
Speaker 1: about how we live and act in the world. Doctor
Speaker 1: King talked a lot about using truth for means, the
Speaker 1: truth for means of nonviolent direct action to achieve the
Speaker 1: truth for ends of the beloved community, and we need
Speaker 1: to always understand that truth is important in terms of
Speaker 1: getting at truth, that we have to live it, we
Speaker 1: have to act on it in order to bring about
Speaker 1: a better society. Doctor Baldwin, I thank you so much
Speaker 1: for making the time to join us on wok app,
Speaker 1: but also for your leadership and your writing. Folks. The
Speaker 1: title of the book is The Arc of Truth, the
Speaker 1: Thinking of Martin Luther King Junior. Doctor Baldwin, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for your Thank you so much. You raise
Speaker 1: great questions. Thank you, thank you. That is it for
Speaker 1: me today, dear friends on woka app. As always, power
Speaker 1: to the people and to all the people. Power, get
Speaker 1: woke and stay woke as fuck.