Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of
Speaker 1: My Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to Stuff to Blow
Speaker 1: Your Mind. Listener mail. My name is Joe McCormick. My
Speaker 1: regular co host, Robert Lamb is not with me today,
Speaker 1: So in an unusual twist, I'm going to be doing
Speaker 1: today's episode solo. But for all of the people who
Speaker 1: have inquired, nothing weird's going on. Rob and I just
Speaker 1: had a couple of awkwardly timed back to back vacations
Speaker 1: and we're about to be coming back into recognizable form.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to be doing a core episode of
Speaker 1: the show tomorrow with a special guest, and then later
Speaker 1: on this week, Rob and I will both be back
Speaker 1: and ready to chase that fairy fire into the bogs
Speaker 1: of October. So I guess with that, I'll jump right
Speaker 1: into some of your messages. This first batch came in
Speaker 1: response to our series on the Black Death and religious
Speaker 1: responses to the second Plague pandemic. I think first, I'm
Speaker 1: going to read this message from Olivia. Olivia writes, Dear
Speaker 1: Robert and Joe. Hi, my name is Olivia and I'm
Speaker 1: a big fan of the show. I was particularly excited
Speaker 1: to listen to your recent episodes on God and the
Speaker 1: Black Death, as I did some research on that topic
Speaker 1: in college. I was actually in the middle of researching
Speaker 1: it right as our own plague hit in March of
Speaker 1: uh And she actually attaches a a part of a
Speaker 1: short paper that she wrote on the subject, but then
Speaker 1: explains quote my basic argument is that the poor reaction
Speaker 1: of religious authorities in Europe to the Black Death caused
Speaker 1: a widespread loss of faith in the Church, which created
Speaker 1: an opportunity for new spiritual leaders like mystics to gain followings.
Speaker 1: This endo, the hegemony of the church, combined with the
Speaker 1: rise of new, more individual focused forms of Christian spirituality,
Speaker 1: ultimately paved the way to the Protestant Reformation. And then
Speaker 1: she reckoned men's a book that she found helpful in
Speaker 1: this subject called From the Brink of Apocalypse by an
Speaker 1: author named John a Birth, and then finishes by saying
Speaker 1: that aside, thank you both for creating such a great podcast.
Speaker 1: I actually enjoy doing laundry and dishes because it's an
Speaker 1: excuse to listen to you guys. I really look forward
Speaker 1: to part three of the series. All the best, Olivia, Well, Olivia,
Speaker 1: as always, thank you for the kind words and thanks
Speaker 1: for getting in touch. I don't know enough about this
Speaker 1: subject to have a strong opinion on whether the Black
Speaker 1: Death weaken the authority of the Catholic Church and whether
Speaker 1: it was truly a determining factor in the Protestant Reformation.
Speaker 1: It does seem plausible, though, then again, it it got
Speaker 1: the gears turning in my head and made me think
Speaker 1: about how, though this is not in particular a counter
Speaker 1: argument against the claim you're making about the Second Plague
Speaker 1: pandemic in the Catholic Church, it did get me thinking
Speaker 1: about how things like faith in a religious institution don't
Speaker 1: always react to external in puts in predictable ways. Uh.
Speaker 1: And the main example that came to my mind is
Speaker 1: a famous book in twentieth century psychology called When Prophecy Fails,
Speaker 1: A social and psychological study of a modern group that
Speaker 1: predicted the destruction of the world. This was a book
Speaker 1: by three co authors, Leon Festinger, Henry Reichn, and Stanley Shackter.
Speaker 1: And this is a somewhat different issue, different than the
Speaker 1: example of the plague, or at least a different type
Speaker 1: of undermining of religious authority, but it did make me
Speaker 1: think about studies of what happens when religious expectations for
Speaker 1: external events are not fulfilled. So this book was originally
Speaker 1: published in nineteen fifty six. We talked about Leon Festinger
Speaker 1: in some episode that we did recently. He's known for
Speaker 1: promoting the theory of cognitive dissonance, where a mismatch between
Speaker 1: um between the beliefs that you hold versus your observation
Speaker 1: of the external world UH causes a state of discomfort
Speaker 1: that you will seek to resolve of through, sometimes through
Speaker 1: rather radical means. And in this specific example, the authors
Speaker 1: here studied a small UFO cult whose leader claimed to
Speaker 1: be receiving messages from another planet. And this cult predicted,
Speaker 1: on the basis of these messages that there was going
Speaker 1: to be an apocalyptic flood that would destroy human civilization
Speaker 1: in the r nineteen fifty four, and of course it
Speaker 1: didn't happen. Yet some members of the cult not only
Speaker 1: continued believing in the messages and and in the cult
Speaker 1: authority structure, but increased their dedication to the cult with
Speaker 1: rationalizations about the mismatch between their predictions and observed reality
Speaker 1: and and their increased dedication was measured through things like
Speaker 1: even more preaching UH, public preaching and sharing of the
Speaker 1: cult's message. And I know there's been some later criticism
Speaker 1: of the author's methodology in this book. For example, I
Speaker 1: think how their their documentation of the cult might have
Speaker 1: actually influenced the behavior of the members. So think this
Speaker 1: is a uh not without its critics. But given that
Speaker 1: we can observe lots of other instances similar to this,
Speaker 1: I think there's still probably something useful to be learned
Speaker 1: from the explanation that the authors gave here, which is
Speaker 1: basically that when the cult members were faced with extremely
Speaker 1: uncomfortable cognitive dissonance, and this dissonance would be caused by
Speaker 1: the mismatch between I predicted X would happen. I predicted
Speaker 1: there would be an apocalyptic flood versus I observed that
Speaker 1: in fact, not X happened that or that Y happened,
Speaker 1: that there was no apocalyptic flood. And because they had
Speaker 1: already sacrificed so much on the basis of that prediction,
Speaker 1: so you can think of those in multiple ways, and
Speaker 1: they may have sacrificed wealth, social capital, and so forth.
Speaker 1: One natural way to alleviate that excruciating dissonance is to
Speaker 1: double down. So you double down on the original belief
Speaker 1: you believe it even more strongly, you preach it even
Speaker 1: more fervently, thereby potentially adding new believers and increasing the
Speaker 1: faith of other believers, and thus increasing social support within
Speaker 1: the cult belief structure. As I mentioned earlier, these are
Speaker 1: clearly two very different ways that a religious authority could
Speaker 1: be potentially undermined, one by making predictions that don't come true,
Speaker 1: and the other by simply failing to be able to
Speaker 1: do anything about the cataclysmic human suffering caused by the
Speaker 1: Second Plague pandemic. But I can't see some parallels, and
Speaker 1: so so I wonder I think you could well be
Speaker 1: correct in your characterization that uh, that the Second Plague
Speaker 1: pandemic led to a series of social outcomes that undermined
Speaker 1: faith in the Catholic Church, led to these alternative forms
Speaker 1: of spirituality, maybe more individually focused, and eventually paved the
Speaker 1: way to the Protestant Reformation. That does seem quite plausible,
Speaker 1: though I don't know. I also do find it very
Speaker 1: interesting how uh, things like religious faith and and faith
Speaker 1: in the authority of religious institutions doesn't always react to
Speaker 1: external events in a way that's strictly predictable from the outside. Alright,
Speaker 1: this next message comes to us from Ed. Ed is
Speaker 1: also reacting to the Plague series and he says, Hi, guys,
Speaker 1: while listening to your series on the plague images in
Speaker 1: a montage in the nineteen thirty six film Things to
Speaker 1: Come kept coming to mind, as you may recall, after
Speaker 1: civilization is destroyed in Never Ending Wars. I think he
Speaker 1: means in the movie plagues ravage the world. What do
Speaker 1: you think of the film? Thanks? Ed? And this one
Speaker 1: definitely caught my interest because I've never seen this movie before.
Speaker 1: I don't think I was even aware of it if
Speaker 1: it If I was, I'd forgotten about it. But I
Speaker 1: looked it up and it does indeed look fascinating. So
Speaker 1: this is a British science fiction movie from nineteen thirty
Speaker 1: six written by H. G. Wells, who we talked about
Speaker 1: in the Weird House Cinema episode on Time after Time.
Speaker 1: But it was based on a book that he wrote
Speaker 1: called The Shape of Things to Come, which I have
Speaker 1: not read, but which seems to operate as a kind
Speaker 1: of speculative future history. So it's a book that spans
Speaker 1: multiple generations of time beyond the horizon of of Wells
Speaker 1: or the filmmakers, and so the broad outline is that
Speaker 1: Wells predicted a global war would break out in nineteen
Speaker 1: forty and rage for decades after that, so partially prescient there, uh,
Speaker 1: And that the war would be so brutal and devastating
Speaker 1: that it would cause the world to descend into a
Speaker 1: new dark Age, especially because towards the end of the
Speaker 1: conflict the belligerents turned from conventional weapons to biological weapons,
Speaker 1: unleashing new forms of disease and plague that kills something
Speaker 1: like half the people on Earth. And after this all
Speaker 1: government falls away in the world descends into anarchy and barbarism,
Speaker 1: and everybody lives in this warlord hell of plague vikings. Eventually, though,
Speaker 1: the Earth is saved by some sort of international coalition
Speaker 1: of strangely pilots and engineers. They're called Wings over the World,
Speaker 1: and they're they're based out of a of a hub
Speaker 1: in Iraq, and they fly around re establishing order the
Speaker 1: outlaw war. They rebuild lost scientific and technological capability so
Speaker 1: that its benefits can be spread to all of the
Speaker 1: people of the planet. And I thought it was interesting
Speaker 1: here that Wells identified airplanes as one of the technologies
Speaker 1: primarily associated with future progress. So there there's also a
Speaker 1: thing in the movie where there's a final section set
Speaker 1: far in the future and the inhabitants of Earth are
Speaker 1: planning a mission to the Moon, which I guess is
Speaker 1: another extension of the air travel principle taken to the
Speaker 1: next level. And uh and I don't know. I thought
Speaker 1: it was curious that we do in science fiction today
Speaker 1: still associates space travel with UH with sort of the
Speaker 1: cutting edge of future technology, one of the things that
Speaker 1: is emblematic of technological progress overall, but not so much
Speaker 1: for air travel. If a similar future history were written today,
Speaker 1: I wonder if it be instead of pilots, who would
Speaker 1: be the people who come in to try to re
Speaker 1: establish order. I don't know if it would be uh,
Speaker 1: I T professionals or something. But anyway, so poking around
Speaker 1: a bit in the movie. I have not watched the
Speaker 1: whole thing, but it does look really interesting. Uh. And
Speaker 1: at some point, I guess things are supposed to be
Speaker 1: taking place in the far future, and everybody's addressed and
Speaker 1: they're they're living in the technological utopia, but everybody is
Speaker 1: also dressed in medieval tunics, and so they look kind
Speaker 1: of like Bunny Breckenridge in Plan nine from Outer Space,
Speaker 1: which which I found funny but definitely looks like it
Speaker 1: is worth a watch. Alright. One more message in response
Speaker 1: to the Black Death episodes. This one came in from
Speaker 1: our listeners, a big Nif, and this was a really
Speaker 1: good clarification that that's worth pointing out. So the Big
Speaker 1: Nief got in touch to say that to to comment
Speaker 1: on when we were talking in the third Plague episode
Speaker 1: about anti submitted conspiracy theories that arose in Christian Europe
Speaker 1: during the Black Death, so there would be these mass
Speaker 1: delusions that Jews had somehow caused the plague epidemics by
Speaker 1: poisoning wells, and uh this led to massacres of Jewish
Speaker 1: people in communities throughout Europe. And we mentioned something about
Speaker 1: how there have been recent echoes, more recent echos at least,
Speaker 1: of this type of thinking in which people falsely accused
Speaker 1: minority groups, sometimes specifically Jews, of causing infectious disease, and
Speaker 1: Rob mentioned I think what he said was a Polish
Speaker 1: poster from World War Two blaming Jews for typhus, and
Speaker 1: Zbignia wrote in to emphasize that though this poster was
Speaker 1: written in Polish, it was a German Nazi poster that
Speaker 1: was hung up in Nazi occupied Poland, and this is
Speaker 1: why it was written in Polish. And yeah, that's very
Speaker 1: good to point out if that was unclear to anyone,
Speaker 1: the poster was Polish and since that it was in
Speaker 1: the Polish language, not a poster of Polish origin. So
Speaker 1: thank you very much for that clarification. It's a big
Speaker 1: NIF all right now, I think I'm going to be
Speaker 1: moving on from the from responses to the Black Death series,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to read a message from our listener, Raj.
Speaker 1: Raj says, Hello, gentlemen. I know you've received many emails
Speaker 1: regarding mirrors, but here is one more to add to
Speaker 1: the wall. I was working out recently and was on
Speaker 1: a stationary bike that happened to be facing a window.
Speaker 1: Since it was early in the morning and the lights
Speaker 1: in the studio were not too bright, I could easily
Speaker 1: see my reflection in the window, thus acting as a
Speaker 1: pseudo mirror. Noticing this observation, my mind immediately went to
Speaker 1: your episodes regarding the mirror, and I then remembered a
Speaker 1: listener mail episode where Joe explained how mirrors work. I
Speaker 1: apologize for not remembering the specifics, but it had something
Speaker 1: to do with the notion that mirrors reverse the image
Speaker 1: along the Z axis and not the X or Y axes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I'll interject here if this helps to give
Speaker 1: a quick refresher. I was answering a question about why
Speaker 1: a mirror appears to flip our image horizontally, so your
Speaker 1: left hand becomes your reflections right hand, even though it's
Speaker 1: still the image of your left hand, but at the
Speaker 1: same time does not flip your image vertically. You don't
Speaker 1: seem to notice any equivalent phenomenon going on with the
Speaker 1: reversal of your head and your feet. And my conclusion
Speaker 1: was actually that this impression we have about it reversing
Speaker 1: the horizontal axis but not the vertical is an illusion
Speaker 1: that's predicated on the fact that human bodies are horizontally symmetrical. Uh.
Speaker 1: And you can test this out a bit just by
Speaker 1: imagining that human bodies looked exactly the same except they
Speaker 1: floated sideways in the air. So imagine a human body
Speaker 1: floating sideways. If it raises its left arm to its side,
Speaker 1: it's going to be pointing toward the ground. If it
Speaker 1: raises its right arm to the side, as if you know,
Speaker 1: to the side, as of doing a jumping jack, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be pointing towards the sky. In this case, it
Speaker 1: would be exactly the opposite. If humans floated sideways like this,
Speaker 1: a mirror would appear to flip you vertically, but not horizontally.
Speaker 1: And so I think the most accurate way to describe
Speaker 1: what a mirror does to your image is neither horizontal
Speaker 1: nor vertical flipping. It's actually turning your image inside out.
Speaker 1: The mirror reverses your image along the axis of depth
Speaker 1: a distance from the mirror, not height or width. And
Speaker 1: human bodies just happened to be constructed in such a
Speaker 1: way that an inside out image of our front facing
Speaker 1: side is confusing like this. So you raise your left hand,
Speaker 1: and your reflection raises the hand that would be the
Speaker 1: right hand if it was another person looking at you
Speaker 1: from your mirror images position, but it is the image
Speaker 1: still of your left hand. Uh. And so that this, uh,
Speaker 1: this is just not something we encounter in everyday life
Speaker 1: anywhere except looking into a mirror. So it kind of
Speaker 1: short circuits the brain. Anyways, Raj continues, I was recalling
Speaker 1: this memory while I happened to be looking at my
Speaker 1: reflected feet, and all of a sudden, my feet looked
Speaker 1: as if they were peddling backwards. Not only that, I
Speaker 1: then began to feel as if I were physically peddling backwards.
Speaker 1: I tried to make sense of this, but trying to
Speaker 1: reconcile my confused perception with trying to understand how mirrors work,
Speaker 1: all while keeping up with my workout was too mentally taxing,
Speaker 1: and I ultimately had to look away from my reflection
Speaker 1: to reorient myself. Looking back to this moment, I'm still
Speaker 1: not sure what happened, and trying to make sense of
Speaker 1: it just invokes more confusion. But in the end, it's
Speaker 1: still a comical memory to think about, and so I
Speaker 1: thought i'd share it with you, Laurage. I I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly what to make of that. That that's very interesting,
Speaker 1: and I'd be interested if if other listeners have insights
Speaker 1: on what's going on here. It almost seems like a
Speaker 1: combination of the way mirrors mess with our heads. But
Speaker 1: then also, um, I don't actually know what the name
Speaker 1: for it is, but the the optical illusion where there
Speaker 1: is the twirling ballerina and you can see it twirling
Speaker 1: either direction. It appears to twirl either clockwise or counterclockwise,
Speaker 1: depending on just sort of Nothing changes about the The
Speaker 1: animation is just the way your brain sees it. You
Speaker 1: can look that up and find the name of it
Speaker 1: if you're trying to figure out what I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: but ultimately I don't know. Yeah, that's very curious, so
Speaker 1: Rage goes on moving on. I was thinking about addle
Speaker 1: audels one day, as one does, and I thought to myself,
Speaker 1: that would be a pretty cool weapon to wield in
Speaker 1: D and D. I don't recall D and D being
Speaker 1: brought up in the addle addle episode, but it made
Speaker 1: me wonder if it was an actual item. It turns
Speaker 1: out it exists in both D and D and Pathfinders,
Speaker 1: some of which are cannon and some are homebrew extensions.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where or how I'd be able to
Speaker 1: fit the audle addle in any of my current D
Speaker 1: and D or Pathfinder campaigns, but I'm excited at the
Speaker 1: prospect of being able to use it. I wonder if
Speaker 1: either of you have considered using it in any of
Speaker 1: your campaigns. Well, Rage, this would be fun to ask
Speaker 1: Rob about once he gets back. We may have to
Speaker 1: revisit this in the next listener mail episode if we
Speaker 1: were called to bring it up. But I have not
Speaker 1: used it. I don't know that that seems like a
Speaker 1: It seems like a weapon for a for a brawnier
Speaker 1: and more courageous character than mine, who is who is
Speaker 1: mostly a liar and a coward. Um. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: I have not gotten around to the autolatal use yet,
Speaker 1: but maybe in the future anyway, uh find Moving on
Speaker 1: to Roger's last point about whispering weapons, Roger says, another
Speaker 1: great episode and once again another tie into D and D.
Speaker 1: In one of the campaigns I'm playing in, one of
Speaker 1: the players got his sword as part of a loot.
Speaker 1: Since that player's character doesn't use swords, my character eventually
Speaker 1: got his hands on it. Shortly afterward, my character started
Speaker 1: to hear a voice in his head, and it was
Speaker 1: the sword. My mind immediately went to your episode on
Speaker 1: the whispering sword, so I asked it what its name was.
Speaker 1: It replied that no one had ever thought to ask
Speaker 1: it that question, so it didn't have a name. So,
Speaker 1: like with any great weapon, I'll have to give it
Speaker 1: a name, though admittedly that's still a work in progress.
Speaker 1: More excitement of bounds as I might have to go
Speaker 1: back and re listen to that episode and get some
Speaker 1: inspiration on how to role play with this new item.
Speaker 1: Thanks as always for the wonderful content and keep up
Speaker 1: the great work. Cheers Raj. Well, yeah, Raj, thanks as
Speaker 1: always for writing in and very intriguing about the sword.
Speaker 1: You'll have to keep us updated on on how it
Speaker 1: turns out, though I would be slow to trust a
Speaker 1: sword that speaks. I'm I'm not quite sure why. Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe one last message here about Weird How Cinema and warning.
Speaker 1: The following email contains some Gaelic that I am I'm
Speaker 1: sure I'm going to fail at pronouncing um. This is
Speaker 1: from Aaron. Aaron says, Hi Robert and Joe Dia Dewet
Speaker 1: from Ireland. I have to say that I think Weird
Speaker 1: How Cinema is probably my favorite offering from your good selves.
Speaker 1: If I haven't seen the film being discussed, I normally
Speaker 1: listen to the first part of the podcast to see
Speaker 1: if it's something i'd be interested in watching. It usually is,
Speaker 1: much to the dismay of my wife, uh the not
Speaker 1: less into the rest of the podcast after watching the film,
Speaker 1: or more often just start the whole thing over from
Speaker 1: the beginning. My favorite part of the podcast is usually
Speaker 1: the plot breakdown section. It can be interesting to see
Speaker 1: what strange moments you pick out to talk about, and
Speaker 1: I sometimes find myself laughing out loud if we noticed
Speaker 1: the same things, such as the young fella's nail collection
Speaker 1: in the Russian space movie. Oh Yeah, teens in the Universe,
Speaker 1: that was a good one, Aaron says. I found this section.
Speaker 1: I guess the plot breakdown conspicuous in its absence from
Speaker 1: your cast about time after time. I really enjoyed the
Speaker 1: film and was looking forward to the plot summary, but
Speaker 1: this didn't occur, and instead you were careful to avoid
Speaker 1: any spoilers. Is this a new direction you're heading in?
Speaker 1: I hope not, because your take on the proceedings and
Speaker 1: some seriously crazy films can be hilariously entertaining. I hope
Speaker 1: this doesn't come across as being overly critical. I really
Speaker 1: enjoy listening to YouTube rambling on about stuff I would
Speaker 1: I would genuinely never consider in a million years, especially
Speaker 1: like the October monster stuff and the prom us of
Speaker 1: a new anthology of horror episode. Anyway, all the best,
Speaker 1: uh Slow August banoched Aaron oh and then finally, Aaron says, ps,
Speaker 1: one of the bits I hoped you'd mentioned in Time
Speaker 1: after Time was the bit where Malcolm McDowell hailed the
Speaker 1: cab by imitating the woman doing it before him. I
Speaker 1: must have rewound that part about twelve times. Malcolm mcdwell
Speaker 1: could be seriously funny when he wanted to be. Uh well, Aaron, No,
Speaker 1: this is not a general direction. I think we'll just
Speaker 1: go case by case, and some movies seem like it
Speaker 1: would be more fun to break down the plot in detail.
Speaker 1: I know we've got one coming up this week where
Speaker 1: we go into great detail. I think it may have
Speaker 1: been maybe our longest weird house yet because we got
Speaker 1: so wrapped up talking about it. But yeah, with others,
Speaker 1: it just feels more appropriate to talk about the movie
Speaker 1: from a higher altitude, so or sometimes somewhere in between.
Speaker 1: It just depends on the movie. Oh well, one one
Speaker 1: last short message before we go, Um, this will be
Speaker 1: This will be from Tom subject line Tom bomba Dill.
Speaker 1: These of course keep pouring in, and Tom suggests a
Speaker 1: so far unique one that we've not heard this one yet.
Speaker 1: The pick is Elton John very interesting. You know that
Speaker 1: these casting choices never ceased to amaze me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the tumble Weed Connection, in
Speaker 1: which Elton John it was one of his earlier albums
Speaker 1: and which he sort of, uh he sort of performs
Speaker 1: as a cowboy. I don't know if that's too far
Speaker 1: off from from becoming a sort of uh jolly god
Speaker 1: of the woods. So yeah, I can see it anyway.
Speaker 1: I guess that's going to close things out for this episode,
Speaker 1: but hey, stay tuned for the rest of the week.
Speaker 1: There is going to be so I'm going to do
Speaker 1: a core episode with special guests tomorrow and then later
Speaker 1: in the week after that or Rob's going to be back.
Speaker 1: We'll rejoin me for some uh some great October content
Speaker 1: that we've been excited about all years. So so stick
Speaker 1: around and uh and uh and and keep listening. You can,
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Speaker 1: episodes like this one, though usually Rob is here with
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Speaker 1: are our classic style episodes. They tend to be usually
Speaker 1: focused around UH science and science intersecting with other cultural topics.
Speaker 1: On Wednesdays we tend to do an episode called The Artifact,
Speaker 1: which is a short form series usually UH sub ten
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Speaker 1: Weird House Cinema. Rob and I both love strange movies
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