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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, Ambar Garcia, and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is one of November eighteenth, two twenty, season sixteen,
Speaker 1: episode number sixty six. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 1: The Break. We're live from the s WBC Mortgage studios
Speaker 1: at the Star. Dave Hellman's here in studio with me.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a lot of fun goodness. We Scott,
Speaker 1: Amber and Nick at their own respective places, but we'll
Speaker 1: let them join in. We will have our finger on
Speaker 1: the button of Nick's microphone if it gets to how
Speaker 1: it got yesterday. We will mute him at some point
Speaker 1: if he starts causing problems like he did yesterday. But
Speaker 1: we're actually gonna pick that conversation up here in the
Speaker 1: first segment, a little later in the first segment, because
Speaker 1: I do think it's only fair to give Amber and
Speaker 1: Dave an opportunity to chime into that conversation For those
Speaker 1: of you who weren't listening yesterday, We'll wait and tee
Speaker 1: that up when we get there. Let's start first though,
Speaker 1: a couple of news items. Mike McCarthy and his press
Speaker 1: conference today talked about Andy Dalton and Tyrone Crawford. Dave,
Speaker 1: what is the status on those two guys at this point?
Speaker 1: They're back. We kinda Andy, we kind of felt like
Speaker 1: that was happening on Monday, but further confirmation he's off
Speaker 1: the COVID list. He's kind of practice. Tyrone is off
Speaker 1: the COVID list, I believe as well, kind of practice.
Speaker 1: So they're good to go. Yeah, it's interesting to me
Speaker 1: because we don't we don't talk a lot of we
Speaker 1: haven't talked a lot this year about Tyrone Crawford. What
Speaker 1: do you guys how he just sets his place so
Speaker 1: far this year? I mean, obviously, nobody on the defense
Speaker 1: has been great. Thank's been pretty good, but nobody's been great.
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of guys that have been poor.
Speaker 1: And it's hard to sometimes single out a lot of
Speaker 1: guys because everybody's not doing so well. But how would
Speaker 1: you assess Tyron Crawford's play this year? Right? That's like
Speaker 1: you set me up for like a Nick Tech comment
Speaker 1: right off the bat right there, and you're like, we
Speaker 1: haven't talked a whole lot about Tyron Crawford. Is like, well,
Speaker 1: the reason why why would we? Um, He's he's been Honestly,
Speaker 1: I can't do sound like Nick Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't have Tyron Crawford has been outstanding.
Speaker 1: Tyron Crawford is amazing. He's outstanding. There you go, there's
Speaker 1: something behind that? What is no? What is behind that?
Speaker 1: Because you're not just a TM video? Okay, got it?
Speaker 1: Fear fear now. I I love him as a guy. Um,
Speaker 1: but I mean, and I can't say that he's been awful,
Speaker 1: but he certainly hasn't made like this crazy impact. And
Speaker 1: especially you know that was kind of a selling point
Speaker 1: throughout the offseason, was like, and he is. He has
Speaker 1: been a better player than he's gotten credit for a
Speaker 1: lot during his career. And the leadership aspect that you know,
Speaker 1: we set all offseason that he brings the defense didn't
Speaker 1: really look like it showed up in the first half
Speaker 1: of the season, to be blunt about it, and for
Speaker 1: that matter, didn't really see him being a difference maker
Speaker 1: for a defensive line that really needed it. They've been
Speaker 1: better the last two weeks. I'll be interested to see
Speaker 1: how that progresses. But you know, a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of people wanted to come for Tyrone's money, and
Speaker 1: I you know, they probably feel vindicated right now because
Speaker 1: he hasn't been playing up to it. Definitely not Nick.
Speaker 1: You expect him to be be here as part of
Speaker 1: this team next year. M I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: I got to look closer to this contract, but I
Speaker 1: believe this is the year where they could probably Yeah,
Speaker 1: I actually, you know, he's a last year. This is
Speaker 1: the last year. You know, you we've we've been burned
Speaker 1: before about that, thinking no way, no way, he's coming back.
Speaker 1: But you know, it just depends on what his market
Speaker 1: value is and and you know, guys that have position
Speaker 1: flex that can play a lot of things. I think
Speaker 1: the position flex has hurt him over his career. I
Speaker 1: just don't think it's it's he's been able to just
Speaker 1: lock in on one spot and so but I you know,
Speaker 1: coaches like to have it. It's unfortunate this last game,
Speaker 1: um Jalen Smith doesn't get that penalty on the legal
Speaker 1: contact or whatever. I mean, he had the sack forced
Speaker 1: fumble that returned, you know, returned by Aldon Smith that
Speaker 1: would have been a difference making play in and maybe
Speaker 1: an upset over Pittsburgh. And maybe we're talking about Crawford differently.
Speaker 1: All it takes is one or two plays for us
Speaker 1: to completely change our scripts sometimes on guys. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate, But I don't know about him coming back
Speaker 1: next year. It's it's just gonna see what what the
Speaker 1: market is for him. What do you think, Amber, I
Speaker 1: think the injuries, I mean that has hurt him. And yes,
Speaker 1: you always love a guy that has that kind of
Speaker 1: flexibility that you can kind of move around depending on
Speaker 1: your needs. But at the same time, and you talk
Speaker 1: about his performance this year, yes, at times you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford, what is that guy up to and you
Speaker 1: wonder what he has done. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: sometimes that isn't necessarily a bad thing. You know, It's
Speaker 1: not like we're over here talking about Tyrone Crawford being
Speaker 1: horrible and letting plays happen and allowing sacks to happen,
Speaker 1: or not creating enough pressures on quarterbacks and allowing guys
Speaker 1: to get through him. So it's kind of it makes
Speaker 1: both And when you look at the the amount of
Speaker 1: plays that the defense hasn't been able to create, I
Speaker 1: think that he would be one guy that hasn't necessarily
Speaker 1: been my highest worry at least this year. I just
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, and I don't want to put
Speaker 1: words in his mouth. Obviously, only he knows what the
Speaker 1: future holds for him. But like I wonder if Tyrone
Speaker 1: Crawford will play football next year. I just, you know what,
Speaker 1: he was drafted in twenty twelve, so he's I mean,
Speaker 1: he's been in the league for a decade. He's not
Speaker 1: bested veteran, he is not a spring chicken. He's coming
Speaker 1: off double hip surgery. I bet you know, if I
Speaker 1: had to guess, he would probably tell you, you know,
Speaker 1: not that he wants to make excuses, but he probably
Speaker 1: ain't feeling great. He kind of he alluded to that
Speaker 1: last time he talked to the media. Just, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in year ten of the NFL.
Speaker 1: I feel like I had double hip surgery. Like this.
Speaker 1: It's ain't always fun, you know, And I've always gotten
Speaker 1: the impression that, you know, he's a guy that's gonna
Speaker 1: be in DFW when he's done playing, Like he's he's
Speaker 1: got a family, he's you know, he's settled down, he's
Speaker 1: putting roots down here. And so you know, if it,
Speaker 1: you know, if he gets through this season and he
Speaker 1: doesn't have a robust market somewhere, you know, like, is
Speaker 1: he gonna uproot his life to name a city Tampa
Speaker 1: for one year or one year deal? I don't know.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me if if the Cowboys, if they
Speaker 1: can't come to some agreements on a deal, maybe he's
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I've had a pretty good career and
Speaker 1: that's good enough. Typic. Just the thought though, like I mean,
Speaker 1: like I said, I don't want to. I can't. Only
Speaker 1: he knows the answer to that, But it's just something
Speaker 1: that I've had in my brain. Typically, if you see
Speaker 1: players doing that, sometimes they're chasing a ring, but outside
Speaker 1: of that, you're right, you get to a certain point
Speaker 1: where it's not fun anymore, Like the pain is not
Speaker 1: worth what you're what you're actually going and doing on Sunday.
Speaker 1: And so there are guys that make that decision. A
Speaker 1: lot of guys make that decision at some point. All right, Um,
Speaker 1: Nick tell us a little bit about this bubble. We
Speaker 1: heard Jerry talk about it yesterday where Mike McCarthy talk
Speaker 1: about it today. You are one of the few people
Speaker 1: in our part of the world that are tiered, and
Speaker 1: obviously you're not in the bubble, but I'm talking about
Speaker 1: what's happening with this this bubble. Well, they're just trying
Speaker 1: to be as safe as possible here. They're the Tier
Speaker 1: two employees, the staff members that are really in close
Speaker 1: contact with the players all the time, UH that they're
Speaker 1: opening up the Omni UH for for them to be
Speaker 1: a part of it as well, to be in the
Speaker 1: bubble so that they're not going home. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think and you know, being around I guess you
Speaker 1: know kids, family that that that could have the virus,
Speaker 1: and so you know, you just want to, you know,
Speaker 1: try to make things as safe as possible for these guys. Um.
Speaker 1: There are there are some members that that we know,
Speaker 1: some some Tier two staffers that have been moved over
Speaker 1: there to UH to the Omni and so you know,
Speaker 1: you're right, I'm not in that group, and I'm fortunate
Speaker 1: for that, but but you know, I just think that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are trying to take every step possible to
Speaker 1: be as safe as possible here for this final seven
Speaker 1: games of the season. Yeah, it's not more. That's a
Speaker 1: really really, really big uh um challenge. I think for
Speaker 1: a lot of people, if you're in that that mix,
Speaker 1: having to be away from your family for presumably seven weeks,
Speaker 1: it feels it kind of feels like we're getting close
Speaker 1: to the finish line because like Thanksgivings right around the corner,
Speaker 1: but we're not. No. I mean, three of these games
Speaker 1: are going to happen really quickly, three games in eleven days,
Speaker 1: but even I mean there's two months left in the season.
Speaker 1: That is a long time as a live in a hotel.
Speaker 1: I mean, we all know because we go out to
Speaker 1: California for training camp, where we're gone for you know
Speaker 1: that three and a half to four and a half weeks,
Speaker 1: and that seems like a ton of time. And you're
Speaker 1: out in California. Imagine being this close in Dallas, but
Speaker 1: you can't get there, right. That's a that's a challenge.
Speaker 1: It's an investment I think that they're making here to
Speaker 1: to try to get through this season and hopefully it
Speaker 1: all works out to where they can't get through the season.
Speaker 1: Without any major hiccups. All right, let's let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and move on to I want to hit this this
Speaker 1: topic that yesterday came up right as we were ending
Speaker 1: the show. Nick was making a point, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to put words in your mountain, Nick, So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna turn over to you and let you remake that
Speaker 1: point because I know that during the show I could see.
Speaker 1: I went back and watched it. Dave, the look on
Speaker 1: your face was kind of priceless because I could tell
Speaker 1: you had something burning that you really wanted to say.
Speaker 1: But this show is pretty much over. Not only that,
Speaker 1: but I just, I honestly was just laughing imagining. I
Speaker 1: was like, Twitter is gonna have a field day with
Speaker 1: this an idea. They had fun with it last night.
Speaker 1: But Nick, make the point again and then let's let's
Speaker 1: have a little discussion on it. Yeah, And I just
Speaker 1: shouldn't have done that at the very end of the
Speaker 1: show and not giving anybody a chance to address it.
Speaker 1: But you know, really, what I'm saying is is that
Speaker 1: you know, hear a lot of talk about the Cowboys
Speaker 1: should tank or whatever. All I was saying is is
Speaker 1: that the true die hard fans diehard fans that just
Speaker 1: that every single game that they're so invested with the team.
Speaker 1: I don't think a true die hard fan wants the
Speaker 1: team to lose. They can see the big picture. They
Speaker 1: can see a silver lining at the end of the
Speaker 1: game or whatever, like, well, you know, at least we
Speaker 1: maybe we're gonna get a better draft pick. But as
Speaker 1: the game's going on, if you've been doing this for
Speaker 1: thirty eight, fifty one years, sixty years, whatever, there's no
Speaker 1: way that you want your team to lose the game.
Speaker 1: If you've been invested for so long, you can see
Speaker 1: at the end. Okay, I guess I'm not gonna be
Speaker 1: that mad about it. That's fine, not gonna throw my
Speaker 1: remote control today or punch a wall today. But you know,
Speaker 1: I want us to win. And that's what I think.
Speaker 1: I think true diehards never really want their team to
Speaker 1: lose in the moment. They might see the big picture
Speaker 1: at the end of it, though, Dave, I mean it
Speaker 1: makes me smile too, because I kind of I can see,
Speaker 1: I can see the whole spectrum. My big thing is
Speaker 1: really like I don't I don't like to tell anybody
Speaker 1: how to be a fan, because my whole thing is
Speaker 1: like there's no there's no like entry requirement to this,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I mean Cowboy fans from all over
Speaker 1: the world. There's people that are going to listen to
Speaker 1: this who live in Europe. There's like here in DFW,
Speaker 1: somebody in Newport News is listening to this, and like,
Speaker 1: all you have to do is just decide you like
Speaker 1: the team, and it's land. Really like my only requirement
Speaker 1: after that is that you just stick with it. That's
Speaker 1: really don't jump around, don't up, don't jump around, but
Speaker 1: like you can all walks of life. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: how you got here, it doesn't matter if it was
Speaker 1: five years ago, it doesn't matter if it was like
Speaker 1: in the womb. Just as long as you stick with
Speaker 1: That's really my only requirements. I mean, like that's any
Speaker 1: any fanhood really and I legitimate. I mean I think
Speaker 1: there are die no I know there are because I
Speaker 1: know them personally. There are die hard, die hard Cowboy fans.
Speaker 1: And to Nix's point, maybe you are not just sitting
Speaker 1: there on Sunday actively rooting for them to lose, but
Speaker 1: you're you know, you turn on their moment. You're like
Speaker 1: all right, boys, like let's let's put forth a better effort,
Speaker 1: but like, don't play too well, don't play too well,
Speaker 1: And I I think there are legitimately die hard Cowboy
Speaker 1: fans who believe that. And you know, maybe it feels
Speaker 1: weird to say you're rooting for them to lose, but
Speaker 1: you know that same person will tell you that a
Speaker 1: win and a loss is the difference between getting the
Speaker 1: stud I mean, let's you know, we don't have to
Speaker 1: use real players, but the stud edge rusher. You know,
Speaker 1: it could be the difference between Chase Young at number
Speaker 1: two for Washington last year or if you win that
Speaker 1: one extra game. Now you're trying to tuck yourself into
Speaker 1: a cornerback that you don't really love because that's what's
Speaker 1: available for you. You know, the Cowboys they got lucky
Speaker 1: that they loved Cede, like they got lucky that Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb was there. Otherwise, Now you're talking about, like do
Speaker 1: we take treyvon digs here like Calavan Chase on the
Speaker 1: pass rest of at LSU, Like do we really love him?
Speaker 1: I guess we do. Like that's the that's the position
Speaker 1: that you're in when you win too many games. So
Speaker 1: I see both sides of it. And if you don't
Speaker 1: want the Cowboys to win another game. I don't think
Speaker 1: that means you're less of a fan because you're listening
Speaker 1: to this show, or you know, God knows how much
Speaker 1: money you've spent on hoodies and T shirts and coming
Speaker 1: down here trying to or you know there's people that
Speaker 1: live all over the country that you know. I go
Speaker 1: to one road game a year wherever the closest one is,
Speaker 1: like all that stuff, and they're doing all that and
Speaker 1: if if, if you don't want them to win another game,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make you less of a fan. If you're
Speaker 1: doing all the rest of that stuff, you're watching, you
Speaker 1: are watching the game in a lost season and you
Speaker 1: want them to lose it, but you're watching like you
Speaker 1: are putting in that effort. Like I said, you're not like,
Speaker 1: if you're not paying attention because the team is bad,
Speaker 1: then you're not you're a bad fan. You're a bad
Speaker 1: fan if you're not paying attention because the team is bad.
Speaker 1: But if you're invested, even if you want them to lose,
Speaker 1: I still think you're you're a pretty good fan. Amber
Speaker 1: you have some thoughts on this, not really because I'm
Speaker 1: not a die hard fan of anything. I mean, any
Speaker 1: team whatsoever. So I don't really all I can say.
Speaker 1: All I can say is I am very much invested
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys because of the job obviously, and we
Speaker 1: get to watch it and we get to know a
Speaker 1: lot of the players and all that. So game day
Speaker 1: comes and I do care. And like I said yesterday,
Speaker 1: it depends on what day of the week you're asking
Speaker 1: me this question, because I can care less during the
Speaker 1: week and be like, you know what, screwed whatever, they stuck,
Speaker 1: let them lose. But then game they come, so I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: my freaking guy, like, what are you guys doing? They
Speaker 1: upset me so much. So I do want them to win.
Speaker 1: But for example, taking last season. Last season, I was
Speaker 1: to the point where I towards the end of the year,
Speaker 1: I didn't want them to win because in me, I
Speaker 1: knew they didn't have it in them to make it
Speaker 1: through the playoffs. Like if they did make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: I knew they couldn't get much further than that. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, what's the point of keep this going?
Speaker 1: Of keeping this going? So's it sucks. It sucks being
Speaker 1: a fan of anything because you there are so many
Speaker 1: emotions involved in it and at one moment, you may
Speaker 1: be thinking one thing and looking into the draft, but
Speaker 1: then at another moment, you care, you really care about
Speaker 1: the game, and you do want your team to be
Speaker 1: able to be competitive and to be able to have
Speaker 1: some kind of success. Yeah, I think she nailed it
Speaker 1: when she said it sucks being a fan, because it
Speaker 1: really it really does it. And Nick, you told me
Speaker 1: this when we're talking about this earlier, like being a fan,
Speaker 1: especially being a die hard fan, it's probably not healthy
Speaker 1: all the time. I mean, you're gonna you're gonna probably
Speaker 1: destroy some things, including some relationships. Like, it's probably not
Speaker 1: gonna be good for you all the time. And I
Speaker 1: know for Nick and Dave and myself to some degree,
Speaker 1: like we're all really really big fans of our college team,
Speaker 1: and it's some Saturdays just aren't good. Like you, it
Speaker 1: ruins your entire week what happens on Saturday. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's some fans out there right now that are
Speaker 1: thinking the same way about the Scoutboys team on Sundays.
Speaker 1: But I guess the point of what I was trying
Speaker 1: to make yesterday is for those folks, there's still some
Speaker 1: of them that look at it like, hey, I'm going
Speaker 1: through a tough season anyway, I'm gonna have to feel
Speaker 1: all of this anyway. If I come out of it
Speaker 1: with a top three pick, that actually makes me feel
Speaker 1: a little bit better about it. And so you can
Speaker 1: be a die hard fan and still be like, this
Speaker 1: season is a lost cause, so let's get all the
Speaker 1: week can get out of this lost cause. I meant
Speaker 1: to add that too, is I think this whole tanking thing,
Speaker 1: it's also it's a coping mechant, right, It's a way
Speaker 1: to make yourself feel better about the overwhelming likelihood that
Speaker 1: you're not gonna see that many more wins, and you say, well,
Speaker 1: this sucks, but this is sort of my security blanket
Speaker 1: that's gonna make me sleep better at night. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: your silver lining, right. My favorite thing about this show,
Speaker 1: you know, Nick Nick is a I mean Nick is
Speaker 1: like one of the most die hard sports fans I've
Speaker 1: ever met. The fact that anybody could be a lifelong
Speaker 1: Arkansas fanatic speaks to that. I don't mean that as
Speaker 1: a shot. I mean, but it's no, he sticks with
Speaker 1: this team and he lives it's truth. But no, sorry, no,
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead, No, I mean you're right. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of wins. I mean I
Speaker 1: had a I mean I was holding onto the nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four Basketball Championship forever. I mean, like that's just
Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of a lot of big victories.
Speaker 1: But you know, when you're an Arkansas fan, it's a
Speaker 1: it's like a cult. And you know I've said this
Speaker 1: a thousand times. I'll say it again. When you're a big,
Speaker 1: a diehard fan of somebody, you don't choose to be
Speaker 1: a fan. I mean, it chooses you. Somebody chose you
Speaker 1: to be a Dallas Cowboy fan or LSU fan or whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean, unless you just choose to go to the school.
Speaker 1: For the most part, your fandom chooses you, and so
Speaker 1: you have to accept it. And I'll just say this.
Speaker 1: You guys are making all these points and I agree
Speaker 1: with it. All I'm saying is is the point I'm
Speaker 1: making is in the game. And Dave, I challenge you.
Speaker 1: I don't think that your fans that you're talking about
Speaker 1: are grabbing a terrible towel as Gilbert is driving down
Speaker 1: the field and be like, God, I hope he doesn't score. No.
Speaker 1: Because you're a Cowboy fan, you want to win, You'll
Speaker 1: deal with the You'll deal with the other part later.
Speaker 1: Let's win the game. Let's knock off the undefeated Steelers.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't think the diehards in the
Speaker 1: game really want their team to lose. They just learn
Speaker 1: how to accept the silver lining of it if they
Speaker 1: do lose. I think there's some I think there's some
Speaker 1: truth to that, Like in the you know, if in
Speaker 1: the moment, if if I can't even think of Greg's airline,
Speaker 1: I was about to say, Dan Bailey, that's if Greg's
Speaker 1: air line is lining up to kick a walk off
Speaker 1: off and Dallas is down by one. I don't know
Speaker 1: how many people have it within them to be like,
Speaker 1: miss this kid, Yeah, yeah, yeah, what if So you're
Speaker 1: saying you want they want Dan Bailey to actually make
Speaker 1: the kids, Well, they want Dan Bailey to miss because
Speaker 1: he plays for the Vikings. I guess No, I was
Speaker 1: they want him to make it my favorite thing about
Speaker 1: this show. So my point was going to be Nick's
Speaker 1: been a fanatic forever. You know, he can tell you
Speaker 1: about the seventies Cowboys in great detail. You're you know
Speaker 1: you and me, well but no, but you're a Texas freak.
Speaker 1: And I'm an LSU fanatic. I just love like so.
Speaker 1: But we've had this problem since birth, as have most
Speaker 1: people that are listening to this show. And Amber is
Speaker 1: like on year five, like she's still sort of just
Speaker 1: getting her feet wet in this whole terrible arrangement that
Speaker 1: is being a fan. Oh it sucks, and we get
Speaker 1: the word and we get to see her walk through
Speaker 1: this cycle of it, like she's just a baby in
Speaker 1: this thing. We're like, just have no idea what me
Speaker 1: for the next twenty years. It's I mean, it's brutal, man,
Speaker 1: but you know what, at somebody whose team reached the
Speaker 1: mountaintop last year, it is worth it. Oh and when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys finally pull it off, whether it's next year
Speaker 1: or thirty years from now, it's so worthy. It will
Speaker 1: be so worth It is so worth it. You're right.
Speaker 1: When Texas won that championship, my wife, my wife jumped
Speaker 1: up and ran around the block. It's late at night,
Speaker 1: and she ran around the block just screaming because of
Speaker 1: the excitement we had about Texas winning national champion. It
Speaker 1: is everything when you finally reached the top. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's all worth it. At some point hopefully soon,
Speaker 1: hopefully hopefully well see hopefully while we're alive. Amber, You're right, Yes,
Speaker 1: we are going to take our first break when we
Speaker 1: come back. We got Bucky Brooks lined up from NFL Network.
Speaker 1: He's gonna talk to us about this Vikings team, particularly
Speaker 1: the Vikings offense. Was that when we come right back.
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Speaker 1: We got Bucky Brooks MINIFL Network joining us. We haven't
Speaker 1: had you on in two weeks, but welcome back to
Speaker 1: the show. We get to talk about the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 1: How are you today, man? I'm great. I enjoyed listen
Speaker 1: to you guys. Segment on fandom as a developed North
Speaker 1: Carolina Tario fan. I am. I am in the boat
Speaker 1: with you, and so I am always about winning and
Speaker 1: I'm never satisfied despite the championships or whatever. So I
Speaker 1: understand it. Hey, well, right now, y'all got our old
Speaker 1: coach and he's doing things up there. He's gonna get
Speaker 1: that program turn around as he did it before he
Speaker 1: got to us. Mac Brown doing some big, big things
Speaker 1: up there in North Carolina right now. Yeah, absolutely, he's
Speaker 1: a great coach. Yeah all right, So let's jump in.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about this Minnesota offense. I
Speaker 1: know usually I'll start the conversation by asking you what
Speaker 1: they do well. I think we all know what they
Speaker 1: do well. Minnesota right now is second in rushing yards
Speaker 1: per temp at five point two yards per temp. Chicago
Speaker 1: helth cook to only three point two yard average. What
Speaker 1: did they do along with Indianapolis in Week two? What
Speaker 1: did they do that other teams have not been able
Speaker 1: to do when it comes to stopping the run of Minnesota?
Speaker 1: Where those teams are really good against a run. Those
Speaker 1: teams are really sound defenses. They do a pretty good
Speaker 1: job of winning the line of scrimmage. For the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: this would be the biggest test that they've had. This
Speaker 1: would go back to what the Cleveland Browns did because
Speaker 1: they're similar systems and so this will be a test
Speaker 1: of the physicality, the effort to discipline, all those things
Speaker 1: that have kind of been murmured about throughout the course
Speaker 1: of the season. Where this is the exam to see
Speaker 1: how far they've made, how much progress they made. The
Speaker 1: problem that you have when you're defending the Minnesota Vikings
Speaker 1: is you have a system that is very sound. It
Speaker 1: is a system where the offensive line they move like
Speaker 1: elephants on parade. So they're all in unison. They're working
Speaker 1: together and they are trying to get a push horizontally.
Speaker 1: And then you have a running back in Davin Cook,
Speaker 1: who is one of the best in the business at
Speaker 1: being able to be a one cut runner. When he
Speaker 1: sees the crease, he attacks it and he has juice
Speaker 1: and vision and balance and body control and he's just
Speaker 1: a special player. And so it's the perfect marriage between
Speaker 1: player and system. And if you're not on your p's
Speaker 1: and ques that game, he will run for two hundred
Speaker 1: yards because they will give it to him, they will
Speaker 1: feed him. He is. They are doing everything that Cowboys
Speaker 1: fans talk about doing. Give it to him twenty times. Well,
Speaker 1: if you don't stop him, he's gonna get it twenty
Speaker 1: five times. Bucky. We lost Trevor Dicks. We all know that,
Speaker 1: and we know that Cheeto is coming back, but we
Speaker 1: still don't know what he's going to look like on
Speaker 1: the field. I'm curious about your assessment between the secondary
Speaker 1: and their passing game and what they can do over
Speaker 1: there with their receivers. Well, the secondary is played better
Speaker 1: of late and the reason they played better is because
Speaker 1: they've made the number one priority is not allow the
Speaker 1: ball to fly over their head, keep the ball in front,
Speaker 1: limit the big plays, rally and ackle and live to
Speaker 1: fight another down. And as simple as that sounds, it
Speaker 1: is the most effective way to keep people from scoring
Speaker 1: points because as the field gets condensed and tighter, now
Speaker 1: you are able to use the siline and the end
Speaker 1: zone as extra defenders and it works in your advantage.
Speaker 1: The problem when you face the Minnesota Vikings is this,
Speaker 1: everyone knows that Dalvin Cook is the guy, and you
Speaker 1: have to put eight in the box, maybe nine in
Speaker 1: the box to slow him down. Well, they want to
Speaker 1: throw play action passes, they want to go max protect,
Speaker 1: and they're going to let their two wide receivers, Adam
Speaker 1: Feeling and Justin Jefferson go to work. And what the
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings have done is they've invested in wide receivers
Speaker 1: who are craftsmen, who are outstanding route runners, and if
Speaker 1: you give them time, they will put cornerbacks in the blender.
Speaker 1: And that is what we're seeing. Adam Feeling is tied
Speaker 1: for first with nine touchdowns. Justin Jefferson leaves all rookies
Speaker 1: and receiving yards. He has four one hundred yard days
Speaker 1: and if you are unable to cover them one on
Speaker 1: one from a skill standpoint, they will go bonkers. And
Speaker 1: so the dilemma is how much do I sell out
Speaker 1: to stop Delvin Cook? And can I sell out while
Speaker 1: being good enough to deal with these two artists that
Speaker 1: are on the perimeter creating separation and getting wide open.
Speaker 1: It's a challenge and it's a conundrum that Mike Nolan
Speaker 1: has to come in with a plan on how do
Speaker 1: I want to defend these two different options that they
Speaker 1: can go with a bucky three days ago, Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: did not have a winning record in the NFL as
Speaker 1: a starter, but he did win Monday Night. So now
Speaker 1: he's forty eight forty seven and two. He's two and
Speaker 1: six against the Cowboys, so he's never really been that
Speaker 1: great against Dallas. Is he a good quarterback in your mind?
Speaker 1: Is he average quarterback? I know he you know he
Speaker 1: gets paid well, but how do you assess him? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think with kirk Cousins, I think the biggest thing
Speaker 1: that clouds him is the compensation doesn't match the production
Speaker 1: in the performance. He got paid what he got paid
Speaker 1: because he was able to parlay the franchise tag and
Speaker 1: to a halfty pay that. But if you ask me
Speaker 1: what kirk Cousins is, quarterbacks come into categories. They're either
Speaker 1: trucks or their trailers. Their trucks would they carry the
Speaker 1: team or their trailers where the team carries him. He's
Speaker 1: a trailer. The team in the system carries him and
Speaker 1: he has success. He doesn't have the ability on his
Speaker 1: own to put it on his shoulders and make it happen.
Speaker 1: We've seen him falter time after time after time in
Speaker 1: Washington and in Minnesota. When he's had to do it
Speaker 1: by himself. He can't get it done. That's it. This system,
Speaker 1: in an environment that they've created right now is perfect
Speaker 1: for him to have success. The last few games, he's
Speaker 1: completed over seventy percent of his passes, six touchdowns, one inception.
Speaker 1: Passer rating is at one twenty three. So if they're
Speaker 1: able to dictate the turns by establishing the running game
Speaker 1: and throw play action passes, kirk Cousins can look like
Speaker 1: a star. But if they're able to control the running
Speaker 1: game and you make him have to throw a drop,
Speaker 1: bad game. Kirk Cousins has shown time and time again,
Speaker 1: he can't do it, Bucky. I hope I'm not putting
Speaker 1: you on the spot too much by asking you to
Speaker 1: go back a month. But a lot of people are
Speaker 1: connecting dots in this game to the Browns game because
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski came from Minnesota runs a similar scheme, and
Speaker 1: it's hard not to remember that the Browns ran for
Speaker 1: three hundred and seven yards against this defense. So I mean,
Speaker 1: if we are I mean we know what the vikings do,
Speaker 1: we know what Dalvin Cook is capable of what. And
Speaker 1: if you remember, the Browns game was the game where
Speaker 1: you know everybody was dogging the effort level, So I
Speaker 1: get that, but is there something else that showed up
Speaker 1: in that game that led to them being so horrendous
Speaker 1: against the run? And if they're gonna fix one thing
Speaker 1: to play better this week, what would it need to be?
Speaker 1: Physicality and discipline. Part of the reason why the Cowboys
Speaker 1: played the last time we played Will the last time
Speaker 1: we saw him out because they were absolutely fearful of
Speaker 1: being embarrassed by the physicality of the Pittsburgh Steelers, and
Speaker 1: so we saw them play at a different level when
Speaker 1: it came to the effort energy, The challenge will be
Speaker 1: Everyone has seen the tape of the Cleveland Browns. The
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings have seen it. The Minnesota Vikings are going
Speaker 1: to run those same schemes at them, and they're going
Speaker 1: to test the Cowboys to see if they have made
Speaker 1: the necessary corrections to slow them down. What has to happen,
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, Laden vander Eshe they have to be in
Speaker 1: the gaps upfront, Neville Gallimore and Antoine Woods and Alden
Speaker 1: Smith and the markets. They have to be able to
Speaker 1: control the line of scrimmage and stay in their gaps.
Speaker 1: If they freelance, if they lose any of their discipline,
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook is going to gut him and he's going
Speaker 1: to run for a seventy yard touchdown. It is as
Speaker 1: simple as that. This will be the longest and toughest
Speaker 1: test of discipline that we will see from the Cowboys
Speaker 1: in this game, over a sixty minute game. Can they
Speaker 1: do what they're asked to do over and over and
Speaker 1: over again without freelancing? And they've done it of late,
Speaker 1: but they haven't been tested by a team that is
Speaker 1: going to run it and run the same place over
Speaker 1: and over again. Are they up to the challenge? That's
Speaker 1: really what we see. Because if they're able to do
Speaker 1: it this week, I'm very optimistic that they'll be fine
Speaker 1: the rest of the season against these run heavy teams.
Speaker 1: But if they can't do it against Minnesota, they're gonna
Speaker 1: have a tough time doing it against Baltimore, San Francisco,
Speaker 1: Philadelphia and some of these other run heavy teams that
Speaker 1: are on the schedule. Yeah, you mentioned that being the
Speaker 1: longest and toughest tests that they're gonna have. As you
Speaker 1: saw it last night and that or that night before last,
Speaker 1: in that game, they were getting nothing, nothing out of
Speaker 1: the running game, but they kept with it. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I've seen a team be that discipline where
Speaker 1: they were like, we're going to run the ball. You
Speaker 1: may stop us, but we're gonna keep running the ball.
Speaker 1: And as you notice there at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: when a team Hicks goes out of the game, they
Speaker 1: started getting a few more creases there and opportunities to
Speaker 1: be able to get some yards out of it. But
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting to see how the Cowboys can
Speaker 1: do over a full sixty minute game. But I want
Speaker 1: to take you back earlier. You mentioned you were talking
Speaker 1: to I think it was a question that Amber asked
Speaker 1: and talking about the receivers matching up with the Cowboys secondary.
Speaker 1: My question for you, it's a two part question. One,
Speaker 1: do you think Keeto a Woozier and Anthony Brown can
Speaker 1: cover these receivers one on one if the Cowboys out
Speaker 1: to bring that safety down into the box. But in
Speaker 1: addition to that, if you were Mike Nolan, what would
Speaker 1: be your strategy. Would you bring that extra guy down
Speaker 1: in the box and risk on the outside letting those
Speaker 1: guys get free, or would you say, hey, we gotta
Speaker 1: stay true to what we do, which is you know,
Speaker 1: rally and tackle, and that may mean that we can't
Speaker 1: bring that extra guy down. We absolutely have to make
Speaker 1: stopping to run the priority. It has to be number one.
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook is the guy. It has to be all
Speaker 1: hands on deck to slow down Dalvin Cook. Because the
Speaker 1: one thing that we know if they run the ball,
Speaker 1: they were running for three hundred yards and they will
Speaker 1: absolutely dominate the game. You have to take your chances in.
Speaker 1: You almost have to go to Anthony Brown and Wuzia
Speaker 1: and say, hey, you gotta put your big board pads
Speaker 1: on this week. We cannot help you. We can't put
Speaker 1: people over the top. You have to hold up in
Speaker 1: your matchup and you just have to see if they
Speaker 1: can do it. Now, there will be some down, some
Speaker 1: advantageous downs where if you get third and long year,
Speaker 1: but to dictate terms, where maybe you can double up
Speaker 1: a roll coverage. But for the most part, those guys
Speaker 1: in a quarter system, you're going to have to hold
Speaker 1: up and win your individual battle against Justin Jefferson and
Speaker 1: Adam Feeland. That is the only way that they're going
Speaker 1: to be able to defend the running game. And so
Speaker 1: it's a challenge. But I think of the lesser evils,
Speaker 1: the passing game is the lesser evil because the one
Speaker 1: thing about that I can talk about Justin Jefferson and
Speaker 1: Adam Feeling getting open, but it is Kirk Cousin going
Speaker 1: to be on his game, and so you just don't
Speaker 1: know if he's gonna be on his game. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna roll the dice and say, Kirk Cousins, if you
Speaker 1: have a three hundred yard day, we'll tip our head
Speaker 1: and we'll go on. But we cannot allow Dalvin Cook
Speaker 1: to have one hundred and fifty yards on the ground
Speaker 1: because that is an absolute recipe for disaster Bucky. My
Speaker 1: next question isn't about the Vikings, but about the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and this bye week. I know that the bite week
Speaker 1: was very necessary because of injuries and all that, But
Speaker 1: from your own experience, I mean, do you when you
Speaker 1: talk about momentum and seeing the fact that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: against the Steelers were able to start creating some good
Speaker 1: things that we haven't seen all throughout the season, do
Speaker 1: you do you feel that maybe having a week off
Speaker 1: effects that kind of momentum or do you just don't
Speaker 1: think that has anything to do with what they can
Speaker 1: do this upcoming week? Well, I mean, I think you
Speaker 1: go into the bye week feeling positive and optimistic. You
Speaker 1: lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers, but defensively if you started
Speaker 1: to stack together two positive games so now, but the
Speaker 1: bye week has afforded you as an opportunity to clean
Speaker 1: up all the other stuff and to continue to get better. Now,
Speaker 1: the lockdown in the COVID situation prevented them from fully
Speaker 1: getting on the field and doing what they want to
Speaker 1: do in terms of continuing to progress, But I think
Speaker 1: you continue to rep what you repped, you continue to
Speaker 1: build upon what you've displayed the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: you try and make sure that Randy Gregory and Neville
Speaker 1: Gallimore and some of the other young players that are
Speaker 1: planing have a complete and clear understanding of what they're
Speaker 1: being asked to do. And you just continue to hone
Speaker 1: into the scheme and make sure everyone understands exactly what's expected.
Speaker 1: And then I think for Mike Nolan and also for
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy and Kellen Moore, it's the self scout because
Speaker 1: as much as we talk about the defense, we got
Speaker 1: to talk about complimentary football and make sure that everyone
Speaker 1: is on the same page. So the bye week should
Speaker 1: be an opportunity for everyone to have a clear picture
Speaker 1: of this is who we are, this is how we
Speaker 1: have to play going forward. Now, let's make sure we
Speaker 1: put our players in the best position to make plays
Speaker 1: playing the style that we have to play. Bucky in
Speaker 1: your five Bucks column today, he said that Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a superhero, but the guys around
Speaker 1: him certainly certainly do. And you mentioned a lot of
Speaker 1: guys on defense there. Can you talk about how what
Speaker 1: you've seen out of DeMarcus Lawrence here lately. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned him a minute ago, but it
Speaker 1: seems like he is a different player than what we
Speaker 1: saw earlier in the season. Yeah. Now, without being privy
Speaker 1: too like the injuries and stuff like that, he certainly
Speaker 1: looks like the Marcus Lawrence of old. And in the column,
Speaker 1: what I said is stars have to be stars because
Speaker 1: right now, as we were saying as players, this is
Speaker 1: the dash for the cash. They have seen that. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys look up and they're one game away from being
Speaker 1: right back in the mix in the division. They saw
Speaker 1: Philadelphia lose, they're sitting there and so and so the
Speaker 1: way that it has to happen is your stars have
Speaker 1: to take their game up a notch. You cannot depend
Speaker 1: on the role players to elevate this team in the
Speaker 1: playoff contention. So on defense, that's to Marcus Lawrence, that's
Speaker 1: Alden Smith, that's Jayless Smith, that's Lvee. Those guys have
Speaker 1: to play like the blue chip players that we thought
Speaker 1: they were coming into the year. And so, if you're
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan, if you're Mike mccarthur, you have to have
Speaker 1: very open and honest and frank discussions about a The
Speaker 1: time is now we got to pick up our play
Speaker 1: and we will be led by the stars. The stars
Speaker 1: will ultimately determine whether the Cowboys go to the playoffs
Speaker 1: or not. I don't want to act like Justin Jefferson
Speaker 1: in some crazy sleeper rookie because he was the twenty
Speaker 1: second overall pick in the draft. It's obviously a good player,
Speaker 1: but he was the fifth receive her taken. I guess
Speaker 1: I'm mainly asking this to take a shot at Philadelphia
Speaker 1: basically because they drafted Jalen Rager over him. Is it
Speaker 1: too soon to say that you know that this was
Speaker 1: a drastic draft mistake by several teams, that this guy
Speaker 1: I mean to be the fifth receiver taken even in
Speaker 1: such a top heavy class. Or is Justin Jefferson's success
Speaker 1: more about the talent around him than him being as
Speaker 1: transcendent as he has looked. I guess, well, I tell
Speaker 1: you this because of your LSU touch. Obviously I might
Speaker 1: be a phone calls, No I got. I got texting
Speaker 1: phone calls from Jerry Sullivan, who had spent time at
Speaker 1: LSU two seasons ago working with Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase.
Speaker 1: And he texts me because he saw me put Justin
Speaker 1: Jefferson not at the top of the board, and he said,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, this guy will be the
Speaker 1: best player in the class. He is outstanding, he's a dog.
Speaker 1: He's a better player than Jamar Chase will be when
Speaker 1: he enters the league. And he said that he has everything.
Speaker 1: And so I kind of text back and was like,
Speaker 1: I hear you, Like he's nice. I like the route running,
Speaker 1: but I don't know, like these other guys are really good.
Speaker 1: And then Lauren behold you look at the tape and
Speaker 1: you're like, darn it, Like I underestimated how good he is.
Speaker 1: And I think the common theme when it comes to
Speaker 1: these receivers that have immediate success in the league, all
Speaker 1: of the guys are artists when it comes to route running.
Speaker 1: So much of what we get caught up in the
Speaker 1: free draft run is hey, how fast are they can
Speaker 1: they do these things? And really it's the skill. And
Speaker 1: when I look at Justin Jefferson, Justin Jefferson is an artist.
Speaker 1: He's Picasso. He is painting masterpieces out there, creating separation
Speaker 1: and getting open. And because of that, he can get
Speaker 1: open against guys who are high end corners. And so
Speaker 1: his success is not a product of the system. It's
Speaker 1: a product of him being a very talented and skilled
Speaker 1: route runner, and the Minnesota Vikings put him in a
Speaker 1: position where he's able to use his tools. All right,
Speaker 1: Bucky Man, we appreciate you joining us. I know we
Speaker 1: ran a little bit long today. We'll appreciate you giving
Speaker 1: us some good insight into this Minnesota Vikings offense. Tomorrow
Speaker 1: we'll have you back. We'll talk about the Vikings defense.
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Speaker 1: the final segment of The Break Life from s WBC
Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios. It's fun having Dave in studio. I wish
Speaker 1: we could do this more often. It honestly feels way
Speaker 1: nicer to be able to like interact with somebody, see
Speaker 1: each other and have a conversation then freezing, see if
Speaker 1: somebody's about to talk. Yeah, and when you freeze, like
Speaker 1: we just get these weird looks on your face and
Speaker 1: it's just stuck there and I have to look out
Speaker 1: my face anyway. For the most part, Oh, I wish
Speaker 1: people could go back and watch the show from yesterday
Speaker 1: and just see the faces Dave was making as Nick
Speaker 1: was talking towards the end of the show. Is pretty funny.
Speaker 1: I liked I try to communicate with the audience wordlessly
Speaker 1: sometimes like if something crazy happening, I just kind of
Speaker 1: like Jim from the Office, I just like to stare
Speaker 1: at my webcam like it's the reason why if you
Speaker 1: don't watch this show, you probably should rather than just
Speaker 1: listen in. And before we end the show today, let's
Speaker 1: go and get one fan question, what do we have? Well,
Speaker 1: I got a lot of people really interested in Bradley
Speaker 1: and I and Reggie Robinson, so I got a lot
Speaker 1: of questions of them, wanting to know if do you
Speaker 1: guys expect to see more of them in this second
Speaker 1: half of the season. HM. That has been That's been
Speaker 1: a thing all season, and it's one of those it's
Speaker 1: a situation where you know, week one, Week two, week three,
Speaker 1: people are like where a Reggie and a nine and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, they're rookies and there's much better players
Speaker 1: in front of them, Like chill out. But now you
Speaker 1: know the record's bad. Season's not over, but it's slipping away.
Speaker 1: And so now I'm with you where I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what do you have to lose by getting these guys
Speaker 1: more snaps? Like Bradley and I hasn't had He's I
Speaker 1: don't he definitely hasn't had more than five defensive snaps
Speaker 1: all year, and Reggie hasn't been active yet. And you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we'll see that this week, but
Speaker 1: if the playoffs get further and further out of reach,
Speaker 1: then I would absolutely hope that those guys get thrown
Speaker 1: into the action because at that point, what do you
Speaker 1: have to lose? So, while the division is still technically
Speaker 1: up for grabs, I don't know, but hopefully, at least
Speaker 1: in December, hopefully we'll see some more of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, the interesting thing is actually shaking his head
Speaker 1: with a big no no. Well, they practice, I mean,
Speaker 1: and so the Cowboys the see of them in practice,
Speaker 1: they know Reggie Robinson what he can do and probably
Speaker 1: what he can't do. And so, like I said yesterday,
Speaker 1: if they're pulling out Stephen Parker and guys like that
Speaker 1: to play, I think Reggie Robinson has been an option.
Speaker 1: It just hasn't been a good one. But I agree
Speaker 1: with what Dave said. I mean, Jerry said that on
Speaker 1: the radio the other day. I want to play young guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't say it like this, but I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna paraphrase. He said, you want to play young
Speaker 1: guys if they don't suck, I mean, if they're gonna suck,
Speaker 1: and that's the whole thing up, you don't want to
Speaker 1: play him. I mean, it's pretty much what he said.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like it's very valuable for them
Speaker 1: to play, but they better not bring the you know,
Speaker 1: bring the whole thing down. So right now, while it's
Speaker 1: you know, they're fighting for it, I think I think
Speaker 1: it's you know, I don't see why Ridge Robinson couldn't
Speaker 1: play some special teams. But I guess I don't really
Speaker 1: know who you would take off the field right now,
Speaker 1: So you know, I bet Pep'll see them at some point. Though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my thought was, and again I may have not really
Speaker 1: understood the full scope of it, but when he came in,
Speaker 1: when the Cowboys drafted him, my thought was, he's going
Speaker 1: to be a guy that they're gonna have to to develop
Speaker 1: a little bit and and so he wasn't gonna be
Speaker 1: a guy that was gonna be immediately a guy they
Speaker 1: would just throw out there. So this doesn't surprise me,
Speaker 1: I will say. My counter to that is the other
Speaker 1: thing was everybody raved about his special teams a bit
Speaker 1: right now, Like he blocked three or four kicks in college.
Speaker 1: He can do this, that and the other. So it's
Speaker 1: definitely not surprised to me that he's not getting snaps
Speaker 1: on the secondary. The fact that he hasn't been in
Speaker 1: uniform yet this season as a fourth round pick, it's
Speaker 1: a little surprising. And he had a rough training camp,
Speaker 1: there's no way around that. But again I'm not asking
Speaker 1: him to start at safety. I just at this point
Speaker 1: I would have guessed that you'd see him on special
Speaker 1: teams or at least getting a jersey. Yeah, And to
Speaker 1: be honest with I don't think like like like Nick said,
Speaker 1: I don't know that there are guys right now on
Speaker 1: special teams. You're like, you gotta get that guy out
Speaker 1: there and make room for Reggie Robinson, especially if he's
Speaker 1: not giving you anything as as a cornerback. So again,
Speaker 1: this doesn't shock me just yet. Now, if you get
Speaker 1: into next season, he's still not active. Now, we got
Speaker 1: some problems. But for me, a guy like that that
Speaker 1: didn't have an off season, didn't have training camp, or
Speaker 1: didn't have a normal training camp, I'm not as shocked
Speaker 1: by that, and it seems like it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: par for the course. It does. I know, we gotta go,
Speaker 1: But it reminds me of Donovan Wilson a little bit,
Speaker 1: and it's it's different because Reggie didn't have a preseason,
Speaker 1: but Donovan Wilson looked amazing in the preseason, didn't really
Speaker 1: get a ton of time. The fans were pissed off
Speaker 1: about it, and we were saying the same thing, like, well,
Speaker 1: the coaches seem more than we do and they don't
Speaker 1: think he's ready. And to be fair, he had another
Speaker 1: offseason to progress and do this, that and the other.
Speaker 1: But he's looked pretty good once he's gotten the opportunity.
Speaker 1: So maybe you should give guys a chance a little
Speaker 1: bit more often. We'll see, we'll see. I'm sure I
Speaker 1: would guess at down the stretch here he might get
Speaker 1: some opportunities. But by no means am I writing him off.
Speaker 1: I think right now it's just one of those things
Speaker 1: where he's developing and they're developing, and we'll see what
Speaker 1: he turns out to be next year and years after that.
Speaker 1: All right, appreciate you, guys, Jonas. We'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get into this Vikings defense against the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Often still then for Nick even Dave Helm and Amber Garcia.
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