1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we cut 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: through the noise. 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 2: To get to the heart of the issues that matter 4 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 2: to you. 5 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: Today, we're diving into some explosive topics with Jonathan Gilliam. 6 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: He's a former Navy seal and FBI agent. He's also 7 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: the host of the Experts podcast. We're going to unpack 8 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: the shocking security failures surrounding the attempted assassinations of former 9 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: President Trump, particularly one year after the assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania, 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: which almost took his life. Were these lapses intentional? You 11 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: just look at a bunch of collective data points and 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: it begs the question were they intentional? So I'll ask 13 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: him based off of his experience. We'll also dig into 14 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: the Epstein files controversy. Did Jeffrey Epstein really die by suicide? 15 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: And what's the truth behind the so called client list? 16 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: What does he think the truth is. 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,639 Speaker 1: Plus we'll tackle the seven hundred percent increase in attacks 18 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: on ICE agents and why Democrats seem to have painted 19 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: them is the enemy. 20 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: So stay tuned, we'll. 21 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: Get the truth on all of this with Jonathan Gilliam. Well, Jonathan, 22 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: it's great to have you on the show we had 23 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: you on after the assassination attempt and kind of you know, 24 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: went through what we felt went wrong. But now it's 25 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: been a year, there's been some additional reporting. Ram Paul, 26 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, issued a report 27 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: about some of the failures that took place. I guess, 28 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,919 Speaker 1: what are your reflections, your thoughts a year later after 29 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: the attempted assassination of Donald Trump. 30 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you it's I don't feel much different 31 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 3: than I did when it happened. I don't think that 32 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: we have the confidence. Nobody's built any confidence, and it's 33 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 3: from the Secret Service or the FBI. We don't have 34 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 3: any more confidence that the president is going to be secured, 35 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 3: or that if you go to an outdoor rally, that 36 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 3: they have the security handled. 37 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 4: We don't know that. 38 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 3: We haven't seen any examples of improvement in tactics. We 39 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 3: haven't seen anyone held to account for what occurred and 40 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: how the mismanagement and planning and threat assessments and all 41 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 3: that occurred. So I think overall, I still question how 42 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 3: in the world something like that could have happened to 43 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 3: the president when they're supposedly being protected or future president 44 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 3: at that point when they're supposed to be protected by 45 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 3: the Premiere Protection Agency. And the more we look into it, 46 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 3: I kind of look at this the same way you 47 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 3: look at Harley Davidson, or you look at American Airlines 48 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: or any of these other. 49 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 4: Companies that have gone woke. 50 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 3: And then they said, well, we're going to do away 51 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: with our DEI, And then when you look at what 52 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 3: they're doing, all they did was just stop calling it 53 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 3: DEI and they stopped promoting that they used DEI. They'd 54 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 3: never really changed anything, and so those brands are still hurting. 55 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 3: Safety is still hurting, and I think the same thing 56 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 3: goes for the Secret Service. I don't know what they 57 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 3: actually changed. And for the deputy director to come out 58 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 3: this past week and talk about how they were focused 59 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: on new technologies and things like that, that has nothing 60 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 3: to do technology has nothing to do with that shooting 61 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 3: in Butler, Pennsylvania, are the one that followed a couple 62 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: months later in Florida. It was complete failure of threat assessments, 63 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 3: of forward thinking, of utilizing trained personnel on the ground, 64 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: and communication with local law enforcement, and local law enforcement 65 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 3: failures themselves. And I don't see where any of that's 66 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: been corrected or anybody's been held accountable. 67 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: But I guess my thought process. 68 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: I remember we talked about this, I guess so, you know, 69 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: basically a year ago, and you know, I guess what 70 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure out is if the security 71 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: lapses were intentional, not in the sense of more so 72 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: just indifference, right, because at the time, you had Joe 73 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: Biden and the Biden administration actively trying to jail Donald Trump, 74 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: and you had Joe Biden saying that he should be 75 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: put in a bullseye. You had Benny Thompson, the ranking 76 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: member on Homeland Security at the House Homeland Security Committee, 77 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: trying to strip Donald Trump of his security detail. And then, 78 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: you know, so you had all these things happening against 79 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: President char you know, former President Trump at that point. 80 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: So it's like, were they just indifferent and not caring 81 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: about trying to keep him safe? Like it just he 82 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: didn't matter to them. They had already dehumanized him enough, 83 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: like they've already basically demonstrated they don't see him as 84 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: a human being. So were they just indifferent to protect 85 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: to him? Where the last is intentional? 86 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 3: I think it's a well, I think it's a mix 87 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 3: of all those things, because you know, when you look 88 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 3: at these you have to look at the totality of 89 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: the circumstances, right, And as an investigator, you can't say 90 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 3: that that is not a possibility, Like I don't entertain 91 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 3: conspiracy theories, but I will take what people say and 92 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 3: put it on the wall of theories, and then if 93 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: there's evidence that shows that that's a possibility, then I 94 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: will entertain that. And so I try not to let 95 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 3: theories lead my search for evidence, but the evidence lead 96 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 3: which theory I believe is potentially a truth. And in 97 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 3: this case, you cannot rule out intentional intentional avenues of 98 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: approach being left open, because that's what occurred. It's what 99 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 3: occurred in both instances where they did not do the 100 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: proper threat assessment or they did not close off the 101 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 3: avenues of approaching an attacker could take when they locked 102 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 3: down the facility. Perhaps they did the right threat assessment 103 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 3: and they discovered that that's an avenue of approach and 104 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 3: they just left it wide open, so it could go 105 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 3: either way. They either didn't do the proper threat assessment, 106 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 3: which means they didn't account for the buildings that were 107 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty yards away, which is ridiculous, Or 108 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 3: they did the proper threat assessment, they determined where an 109 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 3: attacker could attack, and then they purposely left those points soft. 110 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 3: I think from an investigative standpoint, there's evidence to show 111 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 3: that there's motivation to do both of those things. Inexperience 112 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 3: in laziness that would act that would carry them through 113 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: doing a threat assessment that wasn't efficient, or there was 114 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 3: enough dissension in the high ranks of all these agencies 115 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 3: and hatred of President Trump that I could see them 116 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 3: doing something that just allowed somebody to take advantage of 117 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: an open area. 118 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 4: So that's very. 119 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 3: Troubling for me, somebody who's taken an oath to support 120 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 3: and defend this nation in the Constitution with four different agencies, 121 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 3: and that bothers me when I see that that is 122 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 3: a possibility and I can't rule it out. 123 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 4: Sea. 124 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they collaborated with him type thing. I'm 125 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: just saying that they didn't care enough about him to 126 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: make sure that he had the protection he needed it'd 127 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: be safe. 128 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 3: It's like this a prison guard that goes in and 129 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 3: doesn't like this prisoner, so he accidentally leaves both of 130 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 3: those sales open to sell that a guy could come 131 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 3: out of and go over and hurt or kill that 132 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: other prisoner that he doesn't like. He doesn't partake in it. 133 00:07:55,400 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 3: He just didn't lock those doors, right. So that is 134 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: the way I look at this is that if it 135 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 3: isn't intentionally these avenues approach are intentionally left open, eventually 136 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: somebody will take advantage of those. And that's what we 137 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 3: saw in both instances. In Florida, it was the same thing. 138 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 3: They did not secure a golf course, the perimeter of 139 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 3: golf course that Donald Trump goes to every week, and 140 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: so they made it sound as though that was just 141 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 3: a and. 142 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: He was there for twelve hours undetected. 143 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 4: Twelve hours and nobody detected. 144 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 3: But here's the thing, Lisa, that really bothers me a lot, 145 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 3: and it got me in trouble a little bit with 146 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 3: some media because I said this and took a while 147 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 3: for them to get over it. But if they would 148 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: have looked at what I was saying, they would have said, well, 149 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 3: we can't rule that out. And that is that the 150 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 3: people at the top of all these agencies, as you 151 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 3: can see now, are extremely left, not just Democrats, they're 152 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 3: extremely left guy in Florida who was head of the 153 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 3: he was the sac of the FBI that started the 154 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 3: investigation after that attempt, that guy had had his entire 155 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 3: social media scrubbed because it was filled with hatred of 156 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 3: President Trump. Now that's unbelievable when you think about it, 157 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 3: and that goes across the board with all these different agencies. 158 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 3: We know there were people, high ranking officials in the 159 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: Secret Service to just flat out during the President's first 160 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 3: term said they would not protect him, that they would 161 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 3: not step in front of a bullet for him. And 162 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: so we have to assume looking at these judges that 163 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 3: are the way they act, Looking at the way FBI 164 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 3: has gone after in the past, christians President Trump by 165 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 3: creating false evidence. Who would have ever thought that that 166 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: would occur in the FBI against a president or somebody 167 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 3: running to be a president. And then when we look 168 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 3: at the Secret Service and we look at the vocal 169 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 3: hatred that's come out of some of those people, the 170 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 3: praise that the director that stepped in after Cheetle gave 171 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 3: Biden to me, this just shows that the motivation is 172 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 3: there and the hatred is there to leave these doors 173 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 3: wide open and allow people to walk in. You can 174 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 3: call that collusion, or you can just call that hopeful wishing. 175 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 3: I don't know what you would call it, but whatever 176 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 3: it is, the fact is that it happened twice where 177 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 3: people took advantage of it, so we don't know how 178 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 3: many times it happened before that. 179 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: Is it weird to you that we don't know more 180 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: about Thomas Matthew Crooks. I mean, you've got this twenty 181 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: year old that obviously outsmarted the Secret Service, that was 182 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: able to fly a drone when we did not, who 183 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: has these like encrypted foreign accounts, Like I don't know, 184 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: is it weird that we. 185 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: Don't know more about him? Or is that kind of. 186 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: Like standard off procedure and these types of investigations. 187 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 3: Well, we kind of went down this road in recent 188 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 3: history where if you look back at the Kennedy assassination, 189 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 3: right the last time a president was assassinating, We've had 190 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: a lot of attempts since then, and very quickly who 191 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 3: the person was and what their alleged or potential motivation 192 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 3: would be came out very quickly with I mean with Kennedy, 193 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 3: we knew within a day who this guy was, whether 194 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 3: or not that was true, and if it was just him. 195 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 3: We still don't know that, but we did see how 196 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 3: the thing's unfolded. And in the case of Butler Pennsylvania, 197 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 3: I think the fact that social media exists and mainstream 198 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 3: media that's on twenty four hours a day, the American 199 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 3: people are much more informed and they are a force 200 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: multiplier law enforcement doesn't use. And so I think when 201 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 3: we look at the past in history when people were targeted, 202 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 3: and we look at it now, the fact that we 203 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 3: don't know anything is troubling on several levels. One because 204 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 3: you would think that they would release this information, that 205 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 3: the media would be hungry, as they were in all 206 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 3: past circumstances where they got that information one way or another. 207 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 4: We didn't see that this time. And then when you 208 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 4: look at. 209 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 3: Law enforcement, it seems as though when law enforcement messes up, 210 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 3: they almost overtly go down the road of it's an investigation. 211 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: We're not saying anything because it's still under investigation. So 212 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 3: they end up treating the American people very childlike, and 213 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 3: we're treated as though we don't know anything, and everybody 214 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 3: will run around like chickens with their head cut off, 215 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: freaking out if they get the truth. And that's not 216 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 3: the American psyche anymore. We are very informed. In fact, 217 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 3: we have too much information that overloads what we know 218 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 3: is reality. So it would actually be a benefit for 219 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: us to know more. But I think when it comes 220 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: to stuff like this, overall, whether or not we know 221 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 3: what has occurred is less of a concern because if 222 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 3: it was an investigation, then when we have a deputy 223 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: director tell us that the case is closed and we 224 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 3: don't know anything, that is very troubling for me because 225 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: if you don't know anything, why are you closing the case. 226 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also weird that no one's been fired. And 227 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: then also Chairman Paul alleges and asserts in his report 228 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: that the former director of Kimberly Cheatle lied to Congress 229 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: saying that no Secret Service asset requests were denied for 230 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: the Butler rally. In his report said that there actually 231 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: were multiple requests that were denied. 232 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 2: So she lied there, or that's what he's alleging. 233 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: So it's like, I wonder if there'll be any you know, 234 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: no one's been fired so far, I wonder if there'll 235 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: be any, you know, that would mean that she perjured herself. 236 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: So I wonder if they'll be any criminality. 237 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 3: Look, if you went on the news and you completely 238 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 3: lied with the purpose of getting somebody in trouble, or 239 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 3: because you did something wrong and you wanted to completely 240 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 3: cover it up, there will be ramifications for that. Right, 241 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 3: there's no ramifications for these people political appointees and agencies 242 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 3: where you see things happen that might or might not 243 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 3: have to do with the Democrat Party, nobody ever gets 244 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 3: in trouble. And I just I think if this was 245 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 3: the case of someone going in and getting a surgery 246 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 3: and they botched the surgery because they didn't wash their 247 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 3: hands and they left the door wide open, and a 248 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 3: homeless guy walked in and contaminated the whole scend the 249 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:59,119 Speaker 3: guy died, they would be charged with malpractice and probably 250 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 3: criminally charged for involuntary manslaughter. So at the least, I 251 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 3: think that that investigators and prosecutors should be looking at 252 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 3: these individuals who were tasked with protecting the president and 253 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 3: the public. They're not just protecting the president, they're also 254 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 3: protecting the public. 255 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 4: They completely failed. 256 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 3: So why isn't there any type of criminal investigation. We 257 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: don't just need to know the background of how it failed, 258 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 3: We need to know who was responsible and what their 259 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 3: intent was and if their intent was criminal or if 260 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 3: they just did a lazy job that is also criminal. 261 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 3: And one guy did die, three people were four people 262 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 3: were shot. President Trump was shot in the head. They 263 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 3: could say the ear, but it's part of the head. 264 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 3: He could almost been killed. One guy did die and 265 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 3: two other people were injured. How can you not look 266 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 3: at this and say, was their mouth practice in this 267 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 3: at a minimum negligent homicide? 268 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 4: Yeah? 269 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: No query compared to word That's a great point. Got 270 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: to take a quick commercial break more with Jonathan on 271 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: the other side, you know, speaking of different avenues that 272 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: people go down. I wanted to get your take on 273 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: the Epstein files. So the Justice Department in the FBI 274 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: released a memo recently concluding that there's no evidence that 275 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: Epstein had a list of powerful men who participated in, 276 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, all the stuff he was involved in, and 277 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: then also saying that he died by suicide, he was. 278 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 2: Not murdered and his New York jail cell. Do you 279 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 2: buy those conclusions? 280 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 3: I think we have to look at this from possibilities, right, 281 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 3: Is it possible that and this is you'll see when 282 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 3: I get to this. The way my mind works right, 283 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 3: is it possible that this was an intelligence operation that 284 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 3: the US might have been involved with. It's possible it 285 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 3: was he given certain parameters to work in and then 286 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: potentially went outside those parameters, but at the same time 287 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 3: pulled in massive intelligence and jammed up tremendously powerful world leaders, 288 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 3: and so we were able to control those people or 289 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 3: puppet them, or maybe it was one of our allies 290 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 3: that did it. That is potentially the case, right. We 291 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 3: don't know, We don't have proof, But when you look 292 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 3: at the people who showed up, the people that we 293 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 3: know were there, all of those people are associated in 294 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 3: one way or another with government activity. The people again 295 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 3: that we know were associated with that island, we know 296 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 3: have some type of connection to the control or information 297 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,479 Speaker 3: of who is controlling governments. 298 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 4: And what decisions that they're making. 299 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 3: So the fact that video was involved, that a billionaire 300 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 3: who we cannot really trace how he became so rich, 301 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 3: what his career was, his close proximity to not just 302 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 3: famous people but people of power, all of those things, 303 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 3: I have to step back and look at it and say, Okay, 304 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 3: that's a possibility. But on the other hand, from what 305 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: they're telling us, that this was just a Jeffrey Epstein 306 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 3: and just Laine Maxwell issue. Okay, so let's say that 307 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 3: was the case. Let's say that those two just went 308 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 3: out and prayed upon young girls, hung out with celebrities, 309 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 3: made their billions, and raped and video taped sexual acts 310 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 3: with all these different underage females. Okay, Why if that's 311 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 3: the case, did they just write a page and a 312 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 3: half memo that wasn't even signed, releasing it and saying, Okay, 313 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 3: that's what it was. 314 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 4: Cases closed. 315 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 3: Why isn't the government giving us the American public, who 316 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 3: has been craving an answer, not just because young people 317 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 3: were trafficked, but because this has the potential for being 318 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 3: a real deep dive into who is evil and a 319 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 3: problem in positions of power in the world. And so 320 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 3: if it's just Jeffrey Epstein, then why didn't they just 321 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 3: show us that? Why didn't they not the videos? We 322 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 3: don't need this necessarily see any videos of him with people. 323 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: But why didn't they show us the evidence of the case, 324 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: tell us how it worked. 325 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 4: They didn't do that. 326 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 3: They did the same thing that they did with the 327 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 3: Butler investigation. They just came out and Dan Bongino said, 328 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 3: there's no no there, there's no there, there's what was 329 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 3: the term that he used, there's there's nothing there. Basically, 330 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: there's no here here. That's what he said, there's no 331 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 3: here here or there there. I don't remember what it was. So, 332 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 3: but that's the same thing that they said about the 333 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 3: Butler pa there's nothing there. 334 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 4: Cases closed. You don't need to know anymore. 335 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 3: And I think that both of these cases have way 336 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 3: more to do with the psyche of the citizenry, the 337 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 3: trust in government that's been completely demolished. It has a 338 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 3: tremendous amount to do with that, and the people deserve 339 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 3: to have their trust read instilled in them for the 340 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 3: federal government under President Trump. So, knowing that, I have 341 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 3: to say that they probably know more, but they won't 342 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 3: say it because if they do, they will be revealing 343 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 3: sources and methods and the very people that were jammed 344 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 3: up which give us tremendous amount of intelligence on other nations. 345 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 3: And if that's the case, they won't be able to 346 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 3: release it, which means their tap dancing has made this 347 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 3: into a bigger issue than it had to be. And 348 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 3: so now instead of explaining that the potential of this 349 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 3: could have been global and could have further implications than 350 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 3: just a criminal. We are not able to release this information. 351 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 3: I mean that would have been huge. People would have 352 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 3: freaked out. But now what you have is an administration 353 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 3: that has a trust problem. And it all reflects on 354 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 3: President Trump and it shouldn't because he is doing what 355 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 3: he said he would do and everything else. 356 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 4: This reflects on. 357 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 3: Pambondi, cash matel and Dan Bongino and the way that 358 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 3: they handled this issue. You the way they put it in, 359 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 3: built their careers around this issue, made millions off of it, 360 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 3: and then went in and when they found out whatever 361 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 3: the reality is, they just tat danced and handed a 362 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 3: one and a half page memo saying it's closed, there's 363 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 3: nothing there. 364 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: Well, then, fairness, I absolutely thought that he was murdered, 365 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: and like obviously I fully admit that's not based on 366 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: any sort of ex facts that I had, just my 367 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: you know, gut instinct, right. But you know, it is 368 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: strange though, because you would Pam Bondie tell us back 369 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: in February that you know she had the Epstein client list, 370 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: it was sitting on her desk now at a review 371 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: I know. She later clarified that she was talking about 372 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: the case file. Not the specific client list. 373 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 4: But let me let me say some about that. 374 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's an attorney and you're a communications person, right, 375 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 3: that's right. Your especially is in communications. You know that 376 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 3: if she said, if she wanted to say that she 377 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 3: was talking about. 378 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 4: The whole case, that's what she would have said. 379 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 3: But I think she said what she said the first 380 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 3: time and then handed those binders out because to her, 381 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 3: this was a publicity stunt. It was something that they 382 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 3: had probably at that point had not even looked at. 383 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 3: I mean, the way they acted, I don't believe that 384 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 3: they had even had detailed information in that. But the 385 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 3: thing with the influencers holding up the binders and that 386 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 3: statement that she said, if she knew that there was 387 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 3: more there, and there was more on her desk, I 388 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 3: think her verbiage would have stated that, and it didn't. 389 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 3: It stated very specific stuff that the people were demanding, 390 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 3: and she made it sound as though she had that 391 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 3: list on her desk. 392 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 2: So what do you you know? 393 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: I laid to that out because it's important to provide 394 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: the full picture, right, Like, that's what she said, this 395 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: is what she's saying. So I'm laying out the context 396 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: for the listeners at home. 397 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: What do you think the truth is and all of this. 398 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's I don't think Jeffrey Epstein just 399 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 3: made billions and with little really very I know people 400 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 3: who are very rich and they spent a lot of 401 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 3: time in the same financial areas that he did, and 402 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 3: it took them a long time, hard hours to get 403 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 3: their wealth. And people know who they are. Everybody knows 404 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 3: that this person did that or that person. Nobody knew 405 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 3: what Jeffrey Epstein where he came from. And so I 406 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 3: think when I look from investigator standpoint at the totality 407 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 3: of who this individual was and the mystery of his 408 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 3: background and how he became so wrapped up in the 409 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 3: power world or the world of powerf people, I just 410 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 3: don't see. I see less proof that he was just 411 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 3: a creep doing creepy things, and I see more proof 412 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 3: of him associating with people that, if they were controlled, 413 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 3: could give a nation state access and control of a 414 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 3: lot of stuff. 415 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 4: And so. 416 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 3: Well, there is proof that he was going and recruiting 417 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 3: young girls. The particular age of the girls that he 418 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 3: was recruiting and where he was recruiting them from made 419 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 3: them very susceptible to getting themselves jammed up in that situation, and. 420 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 4: The fact that he used some of them. 421 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 3: On this island and potentially other locations shows me that 422 00:25:54,600 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 3: it went beyond just his creepy fetish and it moved 423 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 3: into providing for people who are world leaders, who are 424 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 3: at least in proximity to world leaders. And so it 425 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 3: makes me lean towards the fact that he probably was 426 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 3: either an intel. 427 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 4: Agent of some kind. 428 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 3: For a nation state, or he was running a criminal 429 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 3: enterprise that has never been unfolded, and because it couldn't be, 430 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 3: it was just a criminal enterprise, and he was providing 431 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 3: these things for rich and powerful, and those connections helped 432 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 3: him get more rich and powerful. And he videotaped people 433 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 3: so that if they ever turned on him, like happened 434 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 3: in Florida I think it was two thousand and five, 435 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 3: he could just say, don't forget I got those videos 436 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 3: of you, and all of a sudden, the case goes away. 437 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 3: So that could have also been the case. It may 438 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 3: not have been a nation state collecting intel on these people. 439 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 3: It may just been a Jeffrey Epstein way getting rich, 440 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 3: and so I think it's more likely one of those 441 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 3: two things rather than just a Jeffrey Epstein fetish. 442 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've got a lot of people, you know, 443 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: tied up in this. You know, for instance, like Bill 444 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: Clinton's documented of taking multiple trips on his private plane, 445 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: you according to flight. 446 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: Logs, and you know, a whole host of people. 447 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 4: Prince Andrew. Prince Andrew is a perfect example. 448 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a guy who was not a leader 449 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 3: in the royal family, but he had access and proximity 450 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 3: to those people. So if you jam him up, chances 451 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 3: are he can collect information for you. Or if you 452 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 3: jam him up and then something happens while you're over 453 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 3: in Europe, you're more likely going to get out of 454 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,479 Speaker 3: trouble because you have stuff on him. So as one 455 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 3: of the two, either as a criminal enterprise or an 456 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 3: intel operation, do you think. 457 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to get your take before we go about 458 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: all these attacks on ICE agents. You know, you've got 459 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: this Axios article recently where House Democrats are you know, 460 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: on background telling the reporter that like they're base one's blood, 461 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: that they need to be willing to be shot, that 462 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: civility is no longer working. And then you've got these 463 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: figures of influence the Democrat Party, like Tim Wall saying 464 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: that ICE is at the Gestapo or Giapaul saying ICE 465 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: is a terrorist force? Like the list goes on. Do 466 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: they just want ICE agents deead? 467 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 2: Is? 468 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 4: That? 469 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 2: Is? 470 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: That sort of what they're trying to do here is 471 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: just get these people killed. 472 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 3: See now you're thinking, you're thinking like I do when 473 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 3: it came to President Trump getting shot, right, Yeah, I 474 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 3: asked that question and it got me in a lot 475 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 3: of trouble in media. 476 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 4: And I say the same thing here. 477 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:55,239 Speaker 3: The Democrat Party is a leftist criminal enterprise. And it 478 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 3: doesn't just consist of the Democrats. It consists of a 479 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 3: whole group of business people and people who really do 480 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 3: hate Christians or they hate Conservatism, they hate strong people, 481 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 3: and they hate strong societies that are free. And this 482 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 3: has been growing for many, many years. And I think 483 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 3: when you look at the Democrat Party, for instance, and 484 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 3: the verbiage that they use, you don't say things like 485 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 3: you have to be willing to get shot unless you 486 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 3: are wanting people to go out and get shot or 487 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 3: to shoot. 488 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 4: And that's the other thing. 489 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 3: You're not just going to go out and get shot 490 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 3: unless you have a couple people out there, as we've seen, 491 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 3: willing to shoot back. So I think when we look 492 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 3: at what's happening with ICE is it is an extension 493 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 3: of the same issues we've seen in Portland, in Wisconsin 494 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 3: and New York, Chicago, all these other areas. We see 495 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 3: the same tactics, the same communication, the same uniforms. Listen, 496 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 3: it may not they may be wearing jeans and T shirts, 497 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 3: but they have the same protech type of protective helmets. 498 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,479 Speaker 3: Who shows up to a Trump rally right where people 499 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 3: are wanting to say how much they love the president 500 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 3: and they're out there because they choose to go out 501 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 3: there and. 502 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 4: Express their freedom. 503 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 3: That's a rally, right, Who shows up to one of 504 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 3: those wearing a protective helmet. 505 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 4: They're not. 506 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 3: They're not showing up there with bricks laid out for 507 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 3: a rally for President Trump or anybody else for that matter. 508 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 4: For on the conservative side. 509 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 3: But the Democrat side, this seems to be an issue, 510 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 3: and it happens multiple places using the same types of 511 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 3: tactics to putting bricks out there, wearing the helmets, and 512 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 3: it's escalating slowly. The same altruistic speech, which that's violent speech. 513 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 3: Go out and be willing to take a bullet, but 514 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 3: that's also altruistic speech where you're telling people that you 515 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 3: are a hero and your heroic. 516 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,959 Speaker 4: Act will change things. 517 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 3: And so that's where you get people like in DC 518 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 3: where the individuals shot two individuals who worked for the 519 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 3: Israeli embassy, or in Colorado where a guy burns a 520 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 3: bunch of people who were out there rallying in support 521 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 3: of those still being held hostage by Hamas. 522 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 4: So I think when we look at again. 523 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 3: The total I love to say this phrase, the totality 524 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 3: of circumstances. 525 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 4: I think what you see with. 526 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 3: Ice is they have latched onto this for a couple 527 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 3: of reasons. One is because it gives them room to flex, 528 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 3: and anytime they can flex in front of the cameras, 529 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 3: it adds slowly adds fear and intimidation into the rest 530 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 3: of public. Conservatives look at that and say, if I 531 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 3: did that, I'd go to jail, right, So they stop 532 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 3: doing stuff like that. But the other thing is this 533 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 3: is a voter base. If President Trump and Tom Holman 534 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 3: were able to go out and get rid of all 535 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 3: the twenty million or more people that came over, they 536 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 3: would rid the Democrat Party of twenty million potential voters. 537 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,959 Speaker 3: And I really think that for them that's basically what 538 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 3: it is. But they hate they can do hateful things 539 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 3: because they're hateful people and they hate this country. But 540 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 3: ultimately ICE is a big deal for them because that's there, 541 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 3: that is a portion. 542 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 4: Of their voter base that they were wanting to. 543 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 2: Bring in quick breaks, stay with us before we go. 544 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: Do you think that these. 545 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: Attacks on ACE ICE agents, like we saw the one 546 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: in Novardo, Texas where you had like ten people who 547 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: was like very well orchestrated and like even doing fireworks 548 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: on the outside of lower ICE agents out and then 549 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: shooting I think of something like twenty to thirty rounds 550 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: at the ICE agents. Do you think are these just 551 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: like lone wolf kind of attacks or do you think 552 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: that they are like orchestrated and like financed. 553 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 3: Well, I think that's a great place to finish this 554 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 3: because and it's a great question because if you look 555 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 3: at the tactics, the techniques and procedures, the communication, the 556 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 3: movements that they use, what you're going to see is 557 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 3: that they are They are actually tactics that work and 558 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 3: have been tested. You don't just show up and work 559 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 3: that well for the first time. These are people who've 560 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 3: been trained and these tactics have been used all over 561 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 3: the country for over a decade. I had a friend 562 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 3: who was in Special Forces who was protecting Milo, remember Milo, 563 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 3: the alt right guy at Berkeley and there were riots there. 564 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 3: So they had Milo in a secure room and he 565 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 3: went up on the roof to look down to see 566 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 3: what was happening in one of the buildings. And this 567 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 3: guy who I knew that was in Special Forces said 568 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 3: that he was amazed at what he saw because the 569 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 3: tactics that they were using were so effective that they 570 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 3: were able to draw the law enforcement away from where 571 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 3: they were wanting to go. And it was using tactics 572 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 3: that he had never seen and were not from the 573 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 3: United States. He said, those tactics that he was seeing 574 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 3: never came from the United States military law enforcement. They 575 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 3: were a foreign some type of foreign training. And so 576 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 3: when that was many years ago, and when you flashed 577 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,720 Speaker 3: forward to now, what you're seeing is that all these 578 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 3: protests you saw on Portland or in all across the 579 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 3: country now they're escalating to violence where they're actually shooting 580 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 3: and injuring and murdering. And so I think when you 581 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 3: look at the first and second antifada that happened in 582 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 3: Israel and around Israel and in Gaza. What you see 583 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 3: is the first Antifada was words and then it evolved 584 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 3: into violence and then killing, and it was very uniformed. 585 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 3: And I bet if we start looking at the tactics 586 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 3: that these people are using, not just the people, but 587 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 3: we start looking at the tactics that they're using, we're 588 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 3: going to see the same thing that we see with 589 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 3: their verbiage and what they wear. They're wearing Palestinian scarfs, 590 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 3: they're starting or Hamas scarfs, they're starting to wear or say, 591 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 3: you know, from the River to the Sea, which was 592 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 3: from the first Antifada and the second Antifada. And we're 593 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 3: starting to see that their causes match other nations and 594 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 3: their causes. And I bet if we look at the tactics, 595 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 3: we will probably see that somewhere those tactics are traceable 596 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 3: to these other nations that are problem for us. And 597 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 3: so I guess the answer to your question is, yes, 598 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 3: I think that these are coordinated. I think it goes 599 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 3: far beyond Texas. I think when you look at Antifa 600 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 3: and all these other leftist groups and how they have 601 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 3: milked themselves into Black Lives Matter or the gay activist 602 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 3: movement or transgender and all these things. It's all played 603 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 3: to benefit these actors who use these tactics, techniques and procedures, 604 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 3: the ability to move and communicate the increase in violence 605 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 3: to specific verbiage. I think it's it is very coordinated, 606 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 3: and I would even go as far to say potentially 607 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 3: both assassination attempts on Trump. The fact that they were 608 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 3: able to utilize open avenues of approach with absolute confidence 609 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 3: tells me that there was some coordination with somebody at 610 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 3: some point that they were able to take advantage of 611 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 3: as well. 612 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 1: Interesting, Jonathan, really interesting stuff. I really appreciate you making 613 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 1: the time to share all these insights with us. 614 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 4: You got it. 615 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 3: Sorry I'm long winded, but this is a very interesting 616 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 3: and you can dive into this. But I don't think 617 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 3: Lisa to really know to understand and that there's more 618 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:01,800 Speaker 3: to this. 619 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 4: Than just what we see on the surface. 620 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 3: If you just take a step back and you look 621 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 3: at the totality of all these things that have occurred, 622 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,240 Speaker 3: you'll see exactly what I'm saying. 623 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: Like, if you were being boring, I would very kindly 624 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: kind of like cut you off and read. 625 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 4: Well, you are communications experts, so I would expect that. 626 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: The fact that I was listening intently meant that it 627 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: was very interesting, So we appreciate it. 628 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 2: Thanks so much. That was Jonathan Gilliam. 629 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: Appreciate him for making the time to come on the show. 630 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday. 631 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 2: But you can listen throughout the week until next time.