WEBVTT - Michael Stephenson Meets World 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:21.840 Okay, So, Danielle, I don't know if you're aware of this, 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:23.040 but you're on Dancing with the Stars. 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:27.200 Me, yeah, you are if you had so. 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:29.520 Obviously, somebody in a room somewhere at some point where 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.159 you know would be funny or amazing or incredible is 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:34.519 taking actors and teaching that to dance, and we'll make a. 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:35.040 Show out of it. 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:40.120 Pick make up a reality show right now? What would 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.080 your reality show be that you would pitch with actors? 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.600 With anything? With anything? What's your reality show? 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:47.720 Oh, my gosh, my reality show. 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:51.960 I think we're gonna have to limit it to like 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:53.159 what would we make actors do? 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:55.080 Yeah, I think you're right. 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:56.680 I think we do need because honestly, I have a 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:58.600 show that I've I've talked to you guys about that. 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.160 I think it's so sick and I don't know why 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.080 I haven't even just made it myself yet, but like 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:06.119 it has to be done because it's what I spend 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:07.080 all of my time doing. 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:08.959 When I scroll social media, I. 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:16.640 Am obsessed with comments, the comedy that John Mary Josephin, 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.840 you know, whoever out there can come up with when 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:21.920 they watch a funny video and the comment they leave 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:23.200 blows me away. 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.559 I want to watch a show, a. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.000 Cheap clip style show similar to the Soup or the 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:33.160 Dish that I used to host, called the comment section 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:38.400 where you play the viral video or the clip whatever 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:39.960 it is that's going around. 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:41.120 The internet, several of them. 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:43.360 But after you watch the video, you say, now, let's 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:45.760 check in on the comment section, and you just open 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.840 up the comments and you highlight the people with the 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:51.919 best comments. Then you have some sort of voting section, 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:55.840 and whoever won for comment of the Day or comment 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:59.400 of the video wins ten thousand dollars or like that's great. 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.040 So it's like a maror because funniest home videos but 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.080 America's funniest comment comments. 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:04.520 Exactly just based on the comments. 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.480 Because, for one thing, if I could watch a twenty 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:10.359 two minute show and manage to see what are all 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:12.760 these videos people are talking about because I don't necessarily 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.320 have time to find them all on my own, Oh, 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.000 these are all the videos of the day that people 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:19.560 were talking about. Great, oh my gosh, the ten best 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.480 comments or the five best comments under everyone that's hysterical, 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:26.920 Like I would love to get my social media. This 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:28.840 is the best of the best that happened today in 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:30.480 one cheap format way. 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:32.320 You know, what I would recommend to is to keep 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.120 it wholly positive, so. 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:39.720 Like correct do not taking somebody down, so not yucking 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:41.240 somebody's yum it is. 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:43.640 It is spin celebration of. 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.400 The comment section should be celebrated for you know, positive, funny, yes. 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:48.600 Whatever, not just not. 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.200 Because there might be really funny comments that are ripping 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.440 apart the video or you know, talking about someone's appearance 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:57.239 or whatever, so you just have to avoid those. 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:58.320 But I love that idea. 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:00.440 Yeah, I love that good good one one writer. 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:02.880 I don't know, just at the top of my head. 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:04.760 I mean, I was trying to think of like actors 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:08.720 in situations. You know, I love school, I love college. 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.040 I would love to do a show where you take 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.560 like actors and that had never went to college and 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.320 be like, now let's let's follow you let go. 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.440 They did that with what's his name with Tommy Lee 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:24.240 Tommy Lee, the drummer from the from the crew went 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:25.200 to college. 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:26.399 Yeah, yeah, I think it'd be great. 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.880 It'd be great and like just give them like a 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.959 full semester and like a subject that they always thought 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:33.760 they wanted to do, Like you know where you used 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.520 to want to be an archaeologist, right like you, I 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.280 think like watching you like do that for a semester 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:41.720 and like, you know, really take it seriously as like 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:43.240 a doc of like what's this experience? 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:44.680 Like, yeah, that's what what's it. 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.560 Like for them on campus? And yeah, you know, do 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:49.960 they get recognized? Who'd they become friends with? What do 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.200 the teachers think of them? That's a really good idea. 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.080 I have a couple one of them that I've always 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.120 wanted to do because I love cooking shows, but they're 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.560 all already chefs. I want to have some follow me 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.320 while I actually go to culinary school. Such a good idea, 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:05.560 Like it's never been one where it's like how do 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:06.600 you be calm a chef? 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:06.720 Like? 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:07.520 I want to do that. 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:11.000 The other one for celebrities, I want to do celebrity 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:15.680 aerial dog fighting. What they learned, Like they learn how 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:17.279 to fly the planes and you learn how to and 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.080 it's you do like dog fighting with you have to 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.279 learn how to fly and then you learn it's like 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:23.440 aerial dog fighting. 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.640 Gosh, that sounds great. There are so many people with 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.320 fear of heights. Though I think that might be hard. 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:30.839 I don't have to try it. Though, it would just 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:31.760 be so much fun. 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.839 I mean, I would try it. It's right at my alley. 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:36.719 I could die doing it. I could do it at 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.599 high speed. Yes, I'm not afraid of heights and. 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.880 Nuper competitive competitive people down like you know, yeah, yeah, 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.520 you know actually did it aerial dog fighting. 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.880 Yeah, my parents found this company that did it and 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:50.960 surprised me and my brother with it when we were 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.680 like fifteen sixteen. Where they train you for a whole 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:55.480 day and you get a hold. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:59.680 On today, not a whole day. You have to give 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:00.880 up a a whole day to. 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.560 You're seeing a classroom. You're sitting in the classroom for 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.880 like six seven hours of six. 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.360 Or seven hours, and then they put you like we 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:11.360 had to trust you. 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.960 You're in a World War two like era a plane, 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:15.920 but they have the they have a stick behind you, 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:17.159 so they're really like flying. 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.240 They're flying it out, but you're you're giving off. 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:20.320 I have a stick in the front. 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.120 We were actually in control of So once you're up 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:26.880 there and they're like go and and then they so 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.560 dagerous they had rigged they had rigged the plane so 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.680 that when you shot at each other once you got 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:34.520 because they teach you exactly what they have to do 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:36.600 and how you get behind each other. Smoke would come 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.080 out if you, like, you know, hit the other person. 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:40.279 So my dog. 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.640 Yeah, and uh, I have never been more sick because 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:46.080 the guy was like, let's do some barrel rolls and 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:50.040 let's do some loops, and I was like, oh god no. 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.440 But I was probably the most nauseous I've ever been 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:53.160 in my lib'. 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.120 People that do that throw up, like Tom Tom Cruise 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:01.000 was throwing up, but during the first up everybody, but. 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.039 So yeah, not really my thing. But Chilotte was totally fine, 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:05.880 and like he ends up taking flying lessons after that 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:06.800 because it was so fun. 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.279 And now that I know this, I think we should 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.080 just have like, let's teach celebrities to be surgeons. Like 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:15.080 you spend a whole day, you get a whole day, 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:16.320 six or seven hours. 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.400 And you know, a lot of people don't know about 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:20.960 that real surgery. 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.600 If you touch the sides, the patient buzzes. 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:25.480 A lot of people didn't know that that's. 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:26.760 A real factory. 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.000 That's a little factoy for you if you touch the side. 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:32.160 I love that game. I love that game. Try to 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:32.960 get the bone out. 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:36.119 Exactly a little boner around the me collect one thousand 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:36.720 dollars fee. 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:41.320 Yeah, what about celebrity lawyers? What about. 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:47.400 Lawyers trial for trust him with a real trial. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:49.600 I think they nail it. 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:53.760 That person murder. 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.720 God, it's actually there's some great celebrity. There's some great 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:00.400 possible if. 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.920 You throw all morals out the window. We have got 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:04.760 some crazy we've done. 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:06.800 That are out there. 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.640 Listen, guys, I just like ballroom dancing. There's nothing wrong 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:11.560 with ballroom dancing. 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:11.960 That is. 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:13.600 You're right, that's a good one. 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.520 Welcome to Pod meets World. I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm right 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:33.640 or strong, and I'm Wilforde. As always, our favorite part 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:37.200 of Pod meets World is how just one small side 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:42.360 quest conversation can turn into so much more. Oh, Natania Ross, 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:44.520 you were in a movie called Munchi's two. 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:48.840 Let's watch it. What's that background actor's name again? That's right, 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.000 it's Dusty. Let's find him. 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:54.720 And some can even make us cry, like Matthew Foster 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.200 the Make a Wish Kid we were reminded of from 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:01.239 a random email. It has been an incredible never really 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.800 knowing where the road will take us. So when Rider 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.600 mentioned a recent documentary he loved where much of the 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.120 premise and heart reminded him of what we've done here 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:10.200 on Podmeats World. 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:11.440 Jensen said he. 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:15.200 Knew the director, and the rest is well this podcast 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:21.000 episode and hilariously, somehow Ryder knows the director too. When 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.480 our guest booked a horror film in nineteen ninety, his 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.120 first job as a kid in Hollywood, he had no 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.680 idea what he was stepping into. Commonly called the best 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.199 worst movie ever, Troll two may have been an ignored 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.080 B movie spectacle when it was released, but it's since 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.320 taken on a life of its own, so much so 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.720 that the child star, now grown up, made a documentary 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.480 to fully understand the insanity he experienced. The film became 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.520 a top Dock of two thousand and nine, but it 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.319 helped him process and grasp what the experience meant to 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:55.000 him even years later, which yes, sounds very familiar. And 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.840 he's since made another documentary, this time about lavish residential 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.600 haunted houses, which he ever acted in, and has found 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.600 himself back in Hollywood now behind the camera directing scripted films. 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.920 This week, we welcome one of our most unique brothers 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.880 in the fraternity of child actors. He's the star of 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.760 Troll two, the director of Best Worst Movie, and one 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:20.400 of Writer's childhood friends. It's Michael Paul Stevenson. 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:27.600 Hello, Hey, how are you. 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.400 Drinking an espresso trying to wake up? 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:32.440 Yes, good for you. 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.520 I've got a coffee right here in my Philly Forever 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.160 at Ever mug nice. 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:39.080 We put out. 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:41.840 We put out the troll to bat signal, and we 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:43.120 are so happy. 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:48.160 You responded, Wild movie will never go away. 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:49.319 No, we don't want. 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:50.240 It's too good. 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:57.880 I have a bit of a bit of news that 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:01.880 may surprise you as well. Uh, Writer, I don't know 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:05.240 if you remember, but we were pals. We lived, we 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.560 we lived, We lived in Oakwood together. 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:12.600 This is told me this and I was like, what so, Yes, 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.000 I don't remember. I don't make this connection. We hung out. 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.839 Yeah, it's it's wild. Your your your mom, and your 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:24.720 brother Shiloh. I think you were. I remember your family 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.880 being one of the very few, if not the only, 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.120 same families. 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:33.880 In Oakwood. 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.880 It was such a crazy did did you have roller blades? 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:39.199 Did we go rollerblading together? 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:41.720 And I had I had I had a skateboard. You 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.920 had roller blades? It was a weird, was it was? 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:46.120 It was an interesting. 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:50.000 That whole place is such a wild uh yeah, wild, 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.480 wild world. I don't know if you I don't know 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:57.119 if you've seen there's a documentary actually called The Hollywood 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:01.040 Complex that is all centered on oak Wood and the 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:01.920 child actors. 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:05.120 I grew up there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's and 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:05.959 it's dark. 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:10.679 It's a good documentary. 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.160 But how long were you there? 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:14.440 I was there. 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:20.960 Let's see, from the time I was twelve until about sixteen, 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.320 just like every pilot season. 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:25.040 So yeah, I was there. 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.400 You're originally from Texas, right, So how did you How 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.040 did you decide to make the move to Los Angeles. 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.720 Well, I actually was born in Texas, but I didn't. 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:36.560 I didn't live there very long. I was I was 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:40.840 adopted and grew up in Utah, of all places, And 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:42.880 in Utah I started. 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.920 Doing stage, doing theater when I was really young. I 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:47.400 loved it. 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:54.440 And then somebody from one of those productions said, oh, 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:58.319 you should do this professionally, and and you know, talk 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.240 to my parents. I was probably seven or eight a time, 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:05.439 and my parents were like, no way, this is not 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:06.560 anything we're going to do. 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:08.360 And I continued to. 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.640 Push and push, and this was in Utah, about places 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.880 because I loved I loved theater, I loved acting, and 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:20.199 ultimately ended up pushing them into getting an agent when 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:25.240 I was nine and a half and the first movie 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.520 audition I ever had was Troll two. 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:29.800 God. 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:33.120 Yeah, so when you when you were at the oak Wood, 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:37.160 You're coming off of Troll two, right, Like, what did 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:41.720 that mean? Did it have any effect like backlash or positive? 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:43.439 I mean, you did a movie, which is a good sign, 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:45.800 But did people think of it as a bad or 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:46.920 it didn't even register? 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.440 I think I think it was one of those films 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.960 that didn't really register at that point. I mean I 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:54.800 it registered for me, like it was the sort of 0:12:54.880 --> 0:13:02.559 thing where I had hoped and and and braid that 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.200 nobody would see that film, because. 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:08.920 Back then you knew, like you were immediately like on 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:09.480 the thought. 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:14.319 Yeah, So I mean I had I remember the first 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:15.400 time that I had watched it. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:17.720 You know, we made the movie and. 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:19.000 All of the times that you guys, know, you make 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.400 movies and you don't know when they're going to come out. 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.240 What they're going to be, you have you don't have 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:23.880 any idea. 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.600 And after we made the movie as a as a 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.120 ten and a half year old, I was like okay, 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:34.360 like the next time, like you know, next time that 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.400 we all come together as a cast, will be at 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:40.040 the big premiere and we'll watch our movie together. And 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:45.400 time went by and kind of was like, oh. 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:49.120 What where where is that movie? And of all things, 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.640 my parents had had had tracked it down. 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:55.480 And on Christmas morning, I remember unwrapping presents and then 0:13:55.600 --> 0:14:00.480 actually coming across the strange vhs and uh, you know 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:02.800 says they said troll too. Because when we made the movie, 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:04.600 it wasn't it was called Goblin. 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:14.280 Which god, yeah, and and my. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.240 Dad was like put it in, like let's watch a movie, 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.640 and it was I mean it was it was not 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.280 even a minute into that and it was like, oh 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.920 my god, this is a bad, bad movie. And so 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.480 and it was kind of a thing where like okay, 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:32.880 and then you become a teenager and continued acting. But 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:37.400 I had this one uncle who every like, for some reason, 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:41.720 Troll two was constantly programmed at the you know, the 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:45.200 latest hours of night on HBO, like over and over 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.600 and over again. And I had an uncle who would, uh, 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.160 he would he would call me every weekend because he'd 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.360 get the TV guide and he'd be like your crappy 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:55.440 movie is on again. 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:59.240 Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.400 I love now. We laugh about it now. But when 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:03.240 you when you. 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:06.680 Got those phone calls, then, what what was the feeling 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:07.520 you had? 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:14.000 I mean, you know, like you're you're at an age. 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:18.880 It's obviously very you know, you're you're impressionable, it's formative, 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:20.120 you're trying to be. 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.120 I think for me the biggest thing was is. 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:26.160 I I went on and I acted in other things. 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.400 That I thought would be more remembered or were more. 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:34.920 Uh what you know, just like deserved more attention. But 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.760 those things and in hindsight I get it, yeah, and 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:40.480 in those things didn't. 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.840 And so Troll two just continued and it. 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:49.120 Was very much a like you know, I I I 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:51.440 remember in the TV guide because there was a rating 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.600 system in the in the old TV guides, and it 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.000 was like, you know, one to four star, there was 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.080 even a half star, and then below a half star, 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:00.320 it was it was an icon of a turn key. 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:04.200 Oh geez, oh no, you got the turkey. 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:08.800 Yeah. So wow. 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:12.080 First of all, for the record, we've all done them, 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:16.600 we all have those movies in our past or it's like, oh, that's. 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:18.800 Part of being an actor, you know. 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.640 I mean that's why I found the documentary so fascinating 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.480 is because I felt like, this is applicable well beyond 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.600 this this one film, you know, and in some ways 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.440 you're the most fortunate of the cast because you were 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.640 a kid, you know, you have the biggest You have 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:38.960 the most like understandable lack of cultural awareness, right, or 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.280 lack of taste, right. And so that's why I think 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.880 it's so fascinating that you really initiated this journey of 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.960 like exploring that question like what is you know, how 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:51.560 how do you evaluate the things you're in as an actor? 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.840 And then how do you feel about that? And man, 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:55.920 I thought you just did such a good job with 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.640 the documentary. And it turns out I'm like a huge 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:02.040 fan because I also of American Scream. I didn't realize 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:03.920 that was you. So then when I looked that up, 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:05.720 I was like, oh my god, I love your work. 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:05.960 Man. 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.040 You are so good and you're so sensitive to your subjects, 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.320 and I just couldn't believe the way you balanced this. 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.719 You know, where you're you're understanding where everybody's coming from, 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.600 but you're also showcasing some pretty strange people and and 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.520 and there their understanding of their own movie. Have you 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.160 have you stayed in touch with the cast control too, 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.240 or when the documentary came out, did that change the 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.320 relationship with them? I? 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:34.959 Yeah, I mean I've I've stayed in touch with with 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.960 some of them. George Hardy, who played my father, we're 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:42.600 still We're so close and like having having a friendship 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.040 all these years later, Like he's He's a remarkable man 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:48.560 on the number of levels, just strange and funny and interesting, 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.720 and I just I love I love him to death. 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.879 So I stayed in touch with him. I actually was 0:17:54.920 --> 0:18:01.320 in Italy last year and I hadn't talked to him 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.040 in a few years. But I've stayed in touch with 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.960 Claudio Ferragaso, the director of Tronto. 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:12.919 Yeah, I have, because like I have a real also 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:14.360 a real love. 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:18.560 I've grown to have a real love and appreciation for 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:24.920 this guy who was so impressionable to me as a 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:31.800 young kid. And you guys know, making anything in this 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.000 business is hard, and so as I got as I 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.080 got older and I got more distance from the movie, 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:41.399 I kept thinking about, like God, like this guy somehow 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:45.840 made this movie about vegetarian goblins in Utah with actors 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.280 who couldn't act, couldn't speak. 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:53.320 The language, and he made it and it will be remembered. 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.880 And there's a part of the documentary that I always love, 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:00.480 and it's when he's holding his thirty five million print 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:02.440 reel for the first time and he's like, I've never 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:06.639 held my actual movie, and he talks about how important 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.040 it is to just, you know, make something that isn't forgotten. 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:13.280 And so he's the guy that I've gotten close to. 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:17.720 And when I was in Italy last summer, I phoned 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.119 him up and we went and had dinner together, and 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:23.639 it was just one of those moments where you're like, 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.919 this the movie strangely troll two and in bestworce movie. 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.320 Whatever it's it has. 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:34.119 Given me so much in my life with respect to relationships, 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:36.040 but gross as as a. 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:39.440 Filmmaker, to just experiences. I wouldn't I wouldn't trade for anything. 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:41.159 I mean, I mean, part of the reason why the 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:44.800 movie is so memorable is is that earnestness that he 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:45.879 is putting forth. 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:47.000 I mean, he made exactly. 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:48.880 It seems like he made exactly the movie he wanted 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.200 to make, and that's what's so, you know, I feel 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.280 like there's a version of the documentary that you made 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:56.520