1 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: Okay, So, Danielle, I don't know if you're aware of this, 2 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: but you're on Dancing with the Stars. 3 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: Me, yeah, you are if you had so. 4 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: Obviously, somebody in a room somewhere at some point where 5 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: you know would be funny or amazing or incredible is 6 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: taking actors and teaching that to dance, and we'll make a. 7 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: Show out of it. 8 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: Pick make up a reality show right now? What would 9 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: your reality show be that you would pitch with actors? 10 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: With anything? With anything? What's your reality show? 11 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh, my reality show. 12 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 4: I think we're gonna have to limit it to like 13 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 4: what would we make actors do? 14 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 5: I think we do need because honestly, I have a 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 5: show that I've I've talked to you guys about that. 17 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 5: I think it's so sick and I don't know why 18 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 5: I haven't even just made it myself yet, but like 19 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 5: it has to be done because it's what I spend 20 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 5: all of my time doing. 21 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 3: When I scroll social media, I. 22 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 5: Am obsessed with comments, the comedy that John Mary Josephin, 23 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 5: you know, whoever out there can come up with when 24 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 5: they watch a funny video and the comment they leave 25 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 5: blows me away. 26 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 3: I want to watch a show, a. 27 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 5: Cheap clip style show similar to the Soup or the 28 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 5: Dish that I used to host, called the comment section 29 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 5: where you play the viral video or the clip whatever 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 5: it is that's going around. 31 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 3: The internet, several of them. 32 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 5: But after you watch the video, you say, now, let's 33 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 5: check in on the comment section, and you just open 34 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 5: up the comments and you highlight the people with the 35 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,919 Speaker 5: best comments. Then you have some sort of voting section, 36 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 5: and whoever won for comment of the Day or comment 37 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 5: of the video wins ten thousand dollars or like that's great. 38 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: So it's like a maror because funniest home videos but 39 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: America's funniest comment comments. 40 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 3: Exactly just based on the comments. 41 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 5: Because, for one thing, if I could watch a twenty 42 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 5: two minute show and manage to see what are all 43 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 5: these videos people are talking about because I don't necessarily 44 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 5: have time to find them all on my own, Oh, 45 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 5: these are all the videos of the day that people 46 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 5: were talking about. Great, oh my gosh, the ten best 47 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 5: comments or the five best comments under everyone that's hysterical, 48 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 5: Like I would love to get my social media. This 49 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 5: is the best of the best that happened today in 50 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 5: one cheap format way. 51 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 4: You know, what I would recommend to is to keep 52 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 4: it wholly positive, so. 53 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 5: Like correct do not taking somebody down, so not yucking 54 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 5: somebody's yum it is. 55 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 3: It is spin celebration of. 56 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 4: The comment section should be celebrated for you know, positive, funny, yes. 57 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 6: Whatever, not just not. 58 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 4: Because there might be really funny comments that are ripping 59 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 4: apart the video or you know, talking about someone's appearance 60 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 4: or whatever, so you just have to avoid those. 61 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 6: But I love that idea. 62 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that good good one one writer. 63 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 6: I don't know, just at the top of my head. 64 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 4: I mean, I was trying to think of like actors 65 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 4: in situations. You know, I love school, I love college. 66 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 4: I would love to do a show where you take 67 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 4: like actors and that had never went to college and 68 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 4: be like, now let's let's follow you let go. 69 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: They did that with what's his name with Tommy Lee 70 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: Tommy Lee, the drummer from the from the crew went 71 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: to college. 72 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:26,399 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I think it'd be great. 73 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 4: It'd be great and like just give them like a 74 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 4: full semester and like a subject that they always thought 75 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 4: they wanted to do, Like you know where you used 76 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 4: to want to be an archaeologist, right like you, I 77 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 4: think like watching you like do that for a semester 78 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 4: and like, you know, really take it seriously as like 79 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 4: a doc of like what's this experience? 80 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that's what what's it. 81 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 5: Like for them on campus? And yeah, you know, do 82 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 5: they get recognized? Who'd they become friends with? What do 83 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 5: the teachers think of them? That's a really good idea. 84 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: I have a couple one of them that I've always 85 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: wanted to do because I love cooking shows, but they're 86 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: all already chefs. I want to have some follow me 87 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: while I actually go to culinary school. Such a good idea, 88 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: Like it's never been one where it's like how do 89 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: you be calm a chef? 90 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 7: Like? 91 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: I want to do that. 92 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: The other one for celebrities, I want to do celebrity 93 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: aerial dog fighting. What they learned, Like they learn how 94 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: to fly the planes and you learn how to and 95 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: it's you do like dog fighting with you have to 96 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: learn how to fly and then you learn it's like 97 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: aerial dog fighting. 98 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 5: Gosh, that sounds great. There are so many people with 99 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 5: fear of heights. Though I think that might be hard. 100 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 2: I don't have to try it. Though, it would just 101 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: be so much fun. 102 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 5: I mean, I would try it. It's right at my alley. 103 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 5: I could die doing it. I could do it at 104 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 5: high speed. Yes, I'm not afraid of heights and. 105 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: Nuper competitive competitive people down like you know, yeah, yeah, 106 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: you know actually did it aerial dog fighting. 107 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, my parents found this company that did it and 108 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 4: surprised me and my brother with it when we were 109 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 4: like fifteen sixteen. Where they train you for a whole 110 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 4: day and you get a hold. 111 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: On today, not a whole day. You have to give 112 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: up a a whole day to. 113 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 4: You're seeing a classroom. You're sitting in the classroom for 114 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 4: like six seven hours of six. 115 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 5: Or seven hours, and then they put you like we 116 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 5: had to trust you. 117 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 4: You're in a World War two like era a plane, 118 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 4: but they have the they have a stick behind you, 119 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 4: so they're really like flying. 120 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: They're flying it out, but you're you're giving off. 121 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 6: I have a stick in the front. 122 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 4: We were actually in control of So once you're up 123 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 4: there and they're like go and and then they so 124 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 4: dagerous they had rigged they had rigged the plane so 125 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 4: that when you shot at each other once you got 126 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 4: because they teach you exactly what they have to do 127 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 4: and how you get behind each other. Smoke would come 128 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 4: out if you, like, you know, hit the other person. 129 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 6: So my dog. 130 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, I have never been more sick because 131 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 4: the guy was like, let's do some barrel rolls and 132 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 4: let's do some loops, and I was like, oh god no. 133 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 4: But I was probably the most nauseous I've ever been 134 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 4: in my lib'. 135 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: People that do that throw up, like Tom Tom Cruise 136 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: was throwing up, but during the first up everybody, but. 137 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 4: So yeah, not really my thing. But Chilotte was totally fine, 138 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 4: and like he ends up taking flying lessons after that 139 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 4: because it was so fun. 140 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 5: And now that I know this, I think we should 141 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 5: just have like, let's teach celebrities to be surgeons. Like 142 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 5: you spend a whole day, you get a whole day, 143 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 5: six or seven hours. 144 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: And you know, a lot of people don't know about 145 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: that real surgery. 146 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: If you touch the sides, the patient buzzes. 147 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 2: A lot of people didn't know that that's. 148 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 4: A real factory. 149 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: That's a little factoy for you if you touch the side. 150 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 3: I love that game. I love that game. Try to 151 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: get the bone out. 152 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,119 Speaker 1: Exactly a little boner around the me collect one thousand 153 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: dollars fee. 154 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, what about celebrity lawyers? What about. 155 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 3: Lawyers trial for trust him with a real trial. 156 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 4: I think they nail it. 157 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: That person murder. 158 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 2: God, it's actually there's some great celebrity. There's some great 159 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: possible if. 160 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 3: You throw all morals out the window. We have got 161 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 3: some crazy we've done. 162 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 7: That are out there. 163 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: Listen, guys, I just like ballroom dancing. There's nothing wrong 164 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: with ballroom dancing. 165 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 7: That is. 166 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: You're right, that's a good one. 167 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 5: Welcome to Pod meets World. I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm right 168 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 5: or strong, and I'm Wilforde. As always, our favorite part 169 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 5: of Pod meets World is how just one small side 170 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 5: quest conversation can turn into so much more. Oh, Natania Ross, 171 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 5: you were in a movie called Munchi's two. 172 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: Let's watch it. What's that background actor's name again? That's right, 173 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: it's Dusty. Let's find him. 174 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 5: And some can even make us cry, like Matthew Foster 175 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 5: the Make a Wish Kid we were reminded of from 176 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 5: a random email. It has been an incredible never really 177 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 5: knowing where the road will take us. So when Rider 178 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 5: mentioned a recent documentary he loved where much of the 179 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 5: premise and heart reminded him of what we've done here 180 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 5: on Podmeats World. 181 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: Jensen said he. 182 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 5: Knew the director, and the rest is well this podcast 183 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 5: episode and hilariously, somehow Ryder knows the director too. When 184 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 5: our guest booked a horror film in nineteen ninety, his 185 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 5: first job as a kid in Hollywood, he had no 186 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 5: idea what he was stepping into. Commonly called the best 187 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 5: worst movie ever, Troll two may have been an ignored 188 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 5: B movie spectacle when it was released, but it's since 189 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 5: taken on a life of its own, so much so 190 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 5: that the child star, now grown up, made a documentary 191 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 5: to fully understand the insanity he experienced. The film became 192 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 5: a top Dock of two thousand and nine, but it 193 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 5: helped him process and grasp what the experience meant to 194 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 5: him even years later, which yes, sounds very familiar. And 195 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 5: he's since made another documentary, this time about lavish residential 196 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 5: haunted houses, which he ever acted in, and has found 197 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 5: himself back in Hollywood now behind the camera directing scripted films. 198 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 5: This week, we welcome one of our most unique brothers 199 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 5: in the fraternity of child actors. He's the star of 200 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 5: Troll two, the director of Best Worst Movie, and one 201 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 5: of Writer's childhood friends. It's Michael Paul Stevenson. 202 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 8: Hello, Hey, how are you. 203 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 7: Drinking an espresso trying to wake up? 204 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 3: Yes, good for you. 205 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 5: I've got a coffee right here in my Philly Forever 206 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 5: at Ever mug nice. 207 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 7: We put out. 208 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 5: We put out the troll to bat signal, and we 209 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 5: are so happy. 210 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 7: You responded, Wild movie will never go away. 211 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 3: No, we don't want. 212 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 6: It's too good. 213 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 8: I have a bit of a bit of news that 214 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 8: may surprise you as well. Uh, Writer, I don't know 215 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 8: if you remember, but we were pals. We lived, we 216 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 8: we lived, We lived in Oakwood together. 217 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 4: This is told me this and I was like, what so, Yes, 218 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 4: I don't remember. I don't make this connection. We hung out. 219 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's wild. Your your your mom, and your 220 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 8: brother Shiloh. I think you were. I remember your family 221 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 8: being one of the very few, if not the only, 222 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 8: same families. 223 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 7: In Oakwood. 224 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 8: It was such a crazy did did you have roller blades? 225 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 6: Did we go rollerblading together? 226 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 7: And I had I had I had a skateboard. You 227 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 7: had roller blades? It was a weird, was it was? 228 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 7: It was an interesting. 229 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 8: That whole place is such a wild uh yeah, wild, 230 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 8: wild world. I don't know if you I don't know 231 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,119 Speaker 8: if you've seen there's a documentary actually called The Hollywood 232 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 8: Complex that is all centered on oak Wood and the 233 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 8: child actors. 234 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 7: I grew up there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's and 235 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 7: it's dark. 236 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 3: It's a good documentary. 237 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 6: But how long were you there? 238 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 7: I was there. 239 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 8: Let's see, from the time I was twelve until about sixteen, 240 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 8: just like every pilot season. 241 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 7: So yeah, I was there. 242 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 5: You're originally from Texas, right, So how did you How 243 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 5: did you decide to make the move to Los Angeles. 244 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 8: Well, I actually was born in Texas, but I didn't. 245 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 8: I didn't live there very long. I was I was 246 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 8: adopted and grew up in Utah, of all places, And 247 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 8: in Utah I started. 248 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 7: Doing stage, doing theater when I was really young. I 249 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 7: loved it. 250 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 8: And then somebody from one of those productions said, oh, 251 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 8: you should do this professionally, and and you know, talk 252 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 8: to my parents. I was probably seven or eight a time, 253 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 8: and my parents were like, no way, this is not 254 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 8: anything we're going to do. 255 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 7: And I continued to. 256 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 8: Push and push, and this was in Utah, about places 257 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 8: because I loved I loved theater, I loved acting, and 258 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 8: ultimately ended up pushing them into getting an agent when 259 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 8: I was nine and a half and the first movie 260 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 8: audition I ever had was Troll two. 261 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: God. 262 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, so when you when you were at the oak Wood, 263 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 4: You're coming off of Troll two, right, Like, what did 264 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 4: that mean? Did it have any effect like backlash or positive? 265 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 4: I mean, you did a movie, which is a good sign, 266 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 4: But did people think of it as a bad or 267 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 4: it didn't even register? 268 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 8: I think I think it was one of those films 269 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 8: that didn't really register at that point. I mean I 270 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 8: it registered for me, like it was the sort of 271 00:12:54,880 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 8: thing where I had hoped and and and braid that 272 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 8: nobody would see that film, because. 273 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 4: Back then you knew, like you were immediately like on 274 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 4: the thought. 275 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 8: Yeah, So I mean I had I remember the first 276 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 8: time that I had watched it. 277 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 7: You know, we made the movie and. 278 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 8: All of the times that you guys, know, you make 279 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 8: movies and you don't know when they're going to come out. 280 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 7: What they're going to be, you have you don't have 281 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 7: any idea. 282 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 8: And after we made the movie as a as a 283 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 8: ten and a half year old, I was like okay, 284 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 8: like the next time, like you know, next time that 285 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 8: we all come together as a cast, will be at 286 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 8: the big premiere and we'll watch our movie together. And 287 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 8: time went by and kind of was like, oh. 288 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 7: What where where is that movie? And of all things, 289 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 7: my parents had had had tracked it down. 290 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 8: And on Christmas morning, I remember unwrapping presents and then 291 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 8: actually coming across the strange vhs and uh, you know 292 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 8: says they said troll too. Because when we made the movie, 293 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 8: it wasn't it was called Goblin. 294 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 7: Which god, yeah, and and my. 295 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 8: Dad was like put it in, like let's watch a movie, 296 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 8: and it was I mean it was it was not 297 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 8: even a minute into that and it was like, oh 298 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 8: my god, this is a bad, bad movie. And so 299 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 8: and it was kind of a thing where like okay, 300 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 8: and then you become a teenager and continued acting. But 301 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 8: I had this one uncle who every like, for some reason, 302 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 8: Troll two was constantly programmed at the you know, the 303 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 8: latest hours of night on HBO, like over and over 304 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 8: and over again. And I had an uncle who would, uh, 305 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 8: he would he would call me every weekend because he'd 306 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 8: get the TV guide and he'd be like your crappy 307 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 8: movie is on again. 308 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. 309 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 3: I love now. We laugh about it now. But when 310 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 3: you when you. 311 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 5: Got those phone calls, then, what what was the feeling 312 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 5: you had? 313 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 7: I mean, you know, like you're you're at an age. 314 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 8: It's obviously very you know, you're you're impressionable, it's formative, 315 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 8: you're trying to be. 316 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 7: I think for me the biggest thing was is. 317 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 8: I I went on and I acted in other things. 318 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 7: That I thought would be more remembered or were more. 319 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 8: Uh what you know, just like deserved more attention. But 320 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 8: those things and in hindsight I get it, yeah, and 321 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 8: in those things didn't. 322 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 7: And so Troll two just continued and it. 323 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 8: Was very much a like you know, I I I 324 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 8: remember in the TV guide because there was a rating 325 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 8: system in the in the old TV guides, and it 326 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 8: was like, you know, one to four star, there was 327 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 8: even a half star, and then below a half star, 328 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 8: it was it was an icon of a turn key. 329 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 4: Oh geez, oh no, you got the turkey. 330 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 7: Yeah. So wow. 331 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: First of all, for the record, we've all done them, 332 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: we all have those movies in our past or it's like, oh, that's. 333 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 6: Part of being an actor, you know. 334 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 4: I mean that's why I found the documentary so fascinating 335 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 4: is because I felt like, this is applicable well beyond 336 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 4: this this one film, you know, and in some ways 337 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 4: you're the most fortunate of the cast because you were 338 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 4: a kid, you know, you have the biggest You have 339 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 4: the most like understandable lack of cultural awareness, right, or 340 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 4: lack of taste, right. And so that's why I think 341 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 4: it's so fascinating that you really initiated this journey of 342 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 4: like exploring that question like what is you know, how 343 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 4: how do you evaluate the things you're in as an actor? 344 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 4: And then how do you feel about that? And man, 345 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 4: I thought you just did such a good job with 346 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 4: the documentary. And it turns out I'm like a huge 347 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 4: fan because I also of American Scream. I didn't realize 348 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 4: that was you. So then when I looked that up, 349 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, I love your work. 350 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 7: Man. 351 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 4: You are so good and you're so sensitive to your subjects, 352 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 4: and I just couldn't believe the way you balanced this. 353 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,719 Speaker 4: You know, where you're you're understanding where everybody's coming from, 354 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 4: but you're also showcasing some pretty strange people and and 355 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 4: and there their understanding of their own movie. Have you 356 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 4: have you stayed in touch with the cast control too, 357 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 4: or when the documentary came out, did that change the 358 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 4: relationship with them? I? 359 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,959 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I've I've stayed in touch with with 360 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 8: some of them. George Hardy, who played my father, we're 361 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 8: still We're so close and like having having a friendship 362 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 8: all these years later, Like he's He's a remarkable man 363 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 8: on the number of levels, just strange and funny and interesting, 364 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 8: and I just I love I love him to death. 365 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 8: So I stayed in touch with him. I actually was 366 00:17:54,920 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 8: in Italy last year and I hadn't talked to him 367 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 8: in a few years. But I've stayed in touch with 368 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 8: Claudio Ferragaso, the director of Tronto. 369 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 7: Yeah, I have, because like I have a real also 370 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 7: a real love. 371 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 8: I've grown to have a real love and appreciation for 372 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 8: this guy who was so impressionable to me as a 373 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 8: young kid. And you guys know, making anything in this 374 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 8: business is hard, and so as I got as I 375 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 8: got older and I got more distance from the movie, 376 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 8: I kept thinking about, like God, like this guy somehow 377 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 8: made this movie about vegetarian goblins in Utah with actors 378 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 8: who couldn't act, couldn't speak. 379 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 7: The language, and he made it and it will be remembered. 380 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 8: And there's a part of the documentary that I always love, 381 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 8: and it's when he's holding his thirty five million print 382 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 8: reel for the first time and he's like, I've never 383 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 8: held my actual movie, and he talks about how important 384 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 8: it is to just, you know, make something that isn't forgotten. 385 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 8: And so he's the guy that I've gotten close to. 386 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 8: And when I was in Italy last summer, I phoned 387 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 8: him up and we went and had dinner together, and 388 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 8: it was just one of those moments where you're like, 389 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 8: this the movie strangely troll two and in bestworce movie. 390 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 7: Whatever it's it has. 391 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 8: Given me so much in my life with respect to relationships, 392 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 8: but gross as as a. 393 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 7: Filmmaker, to just experiences. I wouldn't I wouldn't trade for anything. 394 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, part of the reason why the 395 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 4: movie is so memorable is is that earnestness that he 396 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 4: is putting forth. 397 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 6: I mean, he made exactly. 398 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 4: It seems like he made exactly the movie he wanted 399 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 4: to make, and that's what's so, you know, I feel 400 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 4: like there's a version of the documentary that you made 401 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 4: where you tracked on the director and he's like, yeah, 402 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 4: it was a piece of crap. We you know, I know, 403 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 4: I didn't have the money and we don't have the 404 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 4: things I wanted whatever, but hey it was fun. And 405 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 4: instead he's like, no, this is the movie I wanted 406 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 4: to make. Why are they laughing? I don't get why 407 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 4: they're laughing when I didn't mean it to be funny. 408 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 4: And that is a big swing. That's like that's indistry, right, 409 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 4: and like that's however you feel about the movie, Like 410 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 4: he made exactly what he wanted to and that is impressive, 411 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 4: and I yeah, it's fascinating to me that he's still 412 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 4: doubling down on that. 413 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 6: I feel like there's a lot of. 414 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 4: So called cult films, especially in horror, that sort of 415 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 4: take being a cult film is the easy way out 416 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 4: because they can't achieve what they were going to so 417 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 4: they're just like, yeah, let's just have bad effects and 418 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 4: we'll call it a day, you know, or whatever, and 419 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 4: we'll just laugh at it. I mean, in a lot 420 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 4: of ways, I feel like even Cavin Fever kind of 421 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 4: turned out that way. It was like, I think Eli 422 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 4: at first wanted to make more of a straightforward scary film, 423 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 4: realized that's not gonna happen. You know, it's a little ridiculous. 424 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 4: And then as a cast we kept bringing this energy 425 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 4: of like where's this And I think while we were 426 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 4: filming it, Eli and Braceden was like, you know what, 427 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 4: it's all the tones. I want this movie to be there, 428 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 4: And he, to his credit, earnestly invested in a million 429 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 4: different directions. So it's became more of a cult horror film. 430 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 4: But I don't think it started that way, you know, 431 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 4: And I think that so I love that that that 432 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 4: the director was just yeah, like he's still true to it. 433 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 4: And he wasn't he wasn't offended by your documentary, Like 434 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 4: he didn't feel like it. 435 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 8: No, he I mean, I I think there was there 436 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 8: was there was there was a process where he came 437 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,479 Speaker 8: to understand just what it is. I think he had 438 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 8: some feelings right off the bat with like trying to 439 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 8: understand it all. But he's never been anything but supportive 440 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 8: but just like positive around anything that's. 441 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 6: Being made period. 442 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 7: Like he's just he's just that kind of guy. 443 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 8: So I never you know, and and and and I 444 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 8: had hoped that like when I made it. You know, 445 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 8: it's it's sort of like a strange dysfunctional family of sorts, 446 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 8: right like you make it. You there, there there are realities, 447 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 8: and there are there are truths that you experienced for sure, 448 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 8: and some of them are absurd and don't make any sense. 449 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 7: Connection that I have to all the. 450 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 8: People and this experience that I had, and it is right, 451 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 8: you hit it. I mean, you said it so well 452 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 8: in in respect to the thing that I identified most 453 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 8: with with him and what I really came to love 454 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 8: is his sincerity and lack of irony and just being 455 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 8: genuine and and and and that takes courage, especially when 456 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 8: you're when you're set up to fail, when it's against 457 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 8: all odds. 458 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 7: Right. 459 00:22:45,160 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 5: So yeah, I want to go back to you your 460 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 5: audition for the movie. You said you you did the 461 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 5: movie when you were ten and a half. Had you 462 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 5: ever seen a horror movie? 463 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 3: Do you remember your audition? 464 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 8: I mean, I I saw et was one of my 465 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 8: first the first movies I ever saw. Yeah, I remember 466 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 8: my audition really well. And I saw Gremlins also as 467 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 8: well when I was six or five or so, and 468 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 8: and actually the very first horror movie I saw, which 469 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 8: I think was even younger than that was I had. 470 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 8: I had sneakily watched it, uh from the stairs of 471 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 8: my older sisters having a sleepover with a terrible horror 472 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 8: movie called chud Oh yeah. 473 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 7: Geez yeah terrible. 474 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 8: So but remembering my audition, I remember very well. 475 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 7: You know, it took place in Parks. It took place 476 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 7: in a in a hotel in Park City, and I 477 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 7: remember my agent being. 478 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 8: Like, this is this is this is for the lead 479 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 8: and walking into a room and it was just full 480 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 8: of the smell of European cigarettes. Like I just remember 481 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 8: just being like, oh my god, we're you know, we're 482 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 8: in Utah, and Claudio just yelling at me, just being 483 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 8: you know, I'd read the lines. 484 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 7: It's like bigger, louder, bigger, bigger, and. 485 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 8: I just remember doing like going crazy and then and 486 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 8: then him saying you may leave, and I laughed, And 487 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 8: like weeks later I got a call that said, you know, 488 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 8: I got the lead role. 489 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 5: You didn't have to do a callback or anything. It 490 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 5: was just the one audish. 491 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: You may leave, you may leave, you leave. 492 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 5: And so during filming, were you starting to be like, huh, 493 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 5: I wonder how this is going to turn out? Like 494 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 5: walk us through a typical day on the set of 495 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 5: Troll two, and. 496 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 2: Had you seen Troll one? 497 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 7: It was Goblin, so we got yeah. 498 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 8: I mean, I still have my original script and it 499 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 8: was printed on it looks like an old like matrix printer, 500 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 8: and you know, it says says Goblin, and for me 501 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 8: like it was. We actually filmed the movie obviously, like 502 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 8: out of order, and the first thing that we filmed 503 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 8: was the scene where my mother is that you know, 504 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 8: her body is on the kitchen table and she's getting eaten, 505 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 8: so basically the endless spoilers. 506 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 9: Yeah, I know, yeah, And I remember just being like, hmm, 507 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 9: you know, it's not knowing again like a fact or 508 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,479 Speaker 9: any of these sorts of things, and thinking, okay, well 509 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 9: there must be some some some. 510 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 8: Some you know, some magic here that I'm not saying. 511 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 8: But it wasn't a it wasn't really a slowdown and 512 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 8: be critical about it. 513 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 7: It was like, like, do your role on this sort 514 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 7: of thing. And then the other thing I. 515 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 8: Remember, And it's funny the things you remember when you're young, 516 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 8: and then the impressions you have is we had we 517 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 8: had a cheap pizza for lunch every single day, and 518 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 8: I remember sometimes the pizza. It was like recycled from 519 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 8: the previous. 520 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 7: Yeah. 521 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 8: And I just remember as a kid being like, why 522 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 8: can't they afford to give. 523 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 10: Us good pizza? It doesn't even need to be good. 524 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 10: Was this was this like a skeleton crew? 525 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: I mean, was it? Was it down and dirty? 526 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: You're running into places like gorilla filmmaking style or what? 527 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 2: Did it seem like a legit production? 528 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 7: It seemed That's the thing. 529 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 8: I mean, That is the thing oft Troll two is 530 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 8: despite how weird and strange and bad it is, there 531 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 8: is still an underlying level of competence, right, So it's 532 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 8: not like it's not like, uh, gorilla style like like, 533 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 8: it felt very formal with respect to like film production, right, 534 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 8: and there was a sizeable crew, and there was order, 535 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 8: and there was all these sorts of things. So what 536 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 8: it didn't It never had the feeling of oh wow, 537 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 8: we're we're. 538 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 7: Yeah yeah. 539 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 8: In fact, in fact, I think I think that's also 540 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 8: one of the reasons why none of the older cast 541 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 8: members ever questioned it, because there was such an authority 542 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 8: and such a confidence and such an outward like we've 543 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 8: got this figure it out, we know exactly what we're doing, right, Yeah, 544 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 8: And you know shot on thirty five the DP like 545 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 8: he was like full, he was like a caricature of 546 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 8: a DP. 547 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 7: Like everything was so so serious. Uh. 548 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 4: I mean, it's like there's so many bad movies where 549 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 4: it's just like horrible framing and somebody just up against 550 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 4: a white wall and like you're just like, well, they 551 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 4: don't know what they're doing. 552 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 6: But this movie it's like you know, a. 553 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 4: Moving down a hallways shot. But then it's just the 554 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 4: character motivation is making no sense. So like the characters 555 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 4: just like turning to face the camera for no reason, 556 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 4: and you're like, Okay, that SHOT's good, but why is. 557 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 6: He doing that? Like it's that's what makes it so beautiful. 558 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 7: It's like yeah, okay, yeah. 559 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 2: But I mean I guess if your goal is to 560 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 2: make a film. 561 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: That lasts, you did yes, I mean right way, it 562 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: is right, I. 563 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 6: Mean, any change vegetarianism forever. This is the message got out. 564 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 8: It is and like it's this sort of thing that 565 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 8: you can never you can never plan. And also is 566 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 8: there is a weird magic to it. I mean it 567 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 8: is a it is it is a movie that cons 568 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 8: despite you know what it does or it doesn't do, 569 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 8: and all the things in which it falls or it 570 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 8: has continued to provide people with this strange level of 571 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 8: like just joy and humor and it's so weird because 572 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 8: it just ca I mean I I it is a 573 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 8: sort of thing where I will continually get messages about 574 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 8: even younger people now discovering the movie, you know, a 575 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 8: few months ago or during the during the election campaign 576 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 8: this last year, Paul share and how did they get 577 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 8: how did this get made? They did a troll two 578 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 8: screening and in like in an hour, they raised like 579 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 8: three hundred thousand dollars for the election. Yes, so there's 580 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 8: all sorts of positive like and it is like one 581 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 8: of these things where we as I love movies and 582 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 8: I love the community experience of watching a movie and 583 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 8: to to get into a theater that's sold out and 584 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 8: to see people enjoy this. This this weird, awful movie 585 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 8: that was made, you know, almost thirty years ago. 586 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 7: Now it's still one of those things where you're like, 587 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 7: this is pretty it's pretty remarkable. 588 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 4: So I want to ask about your transition to behind well, 589 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 4: transition to making the documentary, I guess, but also when 590 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 4: you stopped acting, if you officially stopped acting, like were 591 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 4: those two things happening simultaneously, or did you take a 592 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 4: break from acting, know that you wanted to be a 593 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 4: director and then decide to make the doc. 594 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 7: Yeah. 595 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 8: I mean from the time I was a teenager, I 596 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 8: was making my own skateboarding movies. 597 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 7: I loved. 598 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 8: I loved the process of making something I loved. I 599 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 8: loved photography, I loved shooting and acting. I also loved 600 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 8: I loved it more when I was doing theater. And 601 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,719 Speaker 8: I think, you know, as I got older, I mean, 602 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 8: I had a lot of friends. 603 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 7: I'm sure you're the same writer. 604 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 8: I have a lot of friends that like, I look 605 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 8: at where they're at now, and I'm like, Jesus. 606 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 7: Like it's terrible. 607 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 8: And I also, as I got older, you know, you 608 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 8: get scripts and you're like, this is terrible, and so 609 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 8: it became harder and harder to sort of like, and 610 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 8: I officially stopped acting. I think the last thing that 611 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 8: I did was I did an episode of A Touch 612 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 8: by an Angel when I was twenty two or twenty three. 613 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 7: And that was the last thing that I did. 614 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 8: And soon after that, I always wanted to make films, 615 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 8: and I soon after that, I met my wife and 616 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 8: we moved to Los Angeles, which is always sort of 617 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 8: felt like a second home. And I was writing a 618 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 8: thing that I had no business making, but I was 619 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 8: very much like in love with but I would never 620 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 8: get a maid given where I was at in my 621 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 8: career and. 622 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 7: Had the dream of being a filmmaker. 623 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 8: And it wasn't long after that this was the whole 624 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 8: MySpace era that out of the blue, I started getting 625 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 8: messages from kids all over the world, not knowing about 626 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 8: each other, saying here's a photo of our Troll two 627 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,479 Speaker 8: party we had in our basement and we dressed up 628 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 8: and we pretended to piss on food. 629 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 7: And I just. 630 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 8: Remember being like what in the world, and thinking about 631 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 8: that movie and being like how. And I had a 632 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 8: moment where I woke up and I remember just thinking. 633 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 8: I said to my wife Lindsay, I said, I am 634 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 8: this child star of the worst movie ever made. This 635 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 8: is a great doc opportunity, and it felt like I 636 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 8: could make it. It felt like I could just start making it. 637 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 8: And a couple of months upright citizens we Gay Theater 638 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 8: in New York, they planned the first Troll two screening, 639 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 8: and it became like, Okay, this is the first thing 640 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 8: I got a film for the doc naturally, and then 641 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 8: it started on a three plus year journey of making 642 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 8: the film. 643 00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 7: Wow. 644 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, So and you were just doing it completely on 645 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 4: your own. You're just grabbing getting your crew together and oh. 646 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're making skateboard films. So were you a 647 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: Stacey Perlta and Bones Brigade fan? That's what I figured, Yeah, 648 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: same same, I figured those just watching those videos are 649 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: the coolest things in the world. 650 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 7: Back in the day, it was the best. Yeah. 651 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 8: And when I was making the doc, I I I 652 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 8: remember like I made you know, I was like, Okay, 653 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 8: I gotta figure out ways to get from city to city, 654 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 8: and so I would I made these simple green shirts 655 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 8: that said nail Bog on the front and gobbling on 656 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 8: the back, and uh, every screening I would take hundreds 657 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 8: of those and they'd sell out, and I was like, Okay, 658 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 8: that's that's my planing tickets of the great But but 659 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 8: you know, like I make it sound all and you 660 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 8: guys know how this is. But like throughout that whole 661 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 8: journey of making that doc, you have moments. 662 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 7: Where you're like, am I going to do this? Where 663 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 7: am I going to go next? All this and and really, 664 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 7: to the credit, my partner, my wife. I remember many times. 665 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 8: Because we were having our first child soon right around 666 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 8: that time, walking run in and being like, I can't 667 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 8: keep working on this dock, and and and Lindsey being like, no, no, 668 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 8: you've got to. 669 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 7: You gotta finish it, you gotta finish it. And so 670 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 7: we just took it one. 671 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 8: We just just did what I could and just stayed 672 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 8: consistent on it until it was until it was over. 673 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 5: Well, similarly to Podmead's World, you really allowed this project 674 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 5: to help you process a childhood experience. 675 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 3: Was it a bigger. 676 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 5: Undertaking emotionally than you expected? 677 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, uh for sure. 678 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 8: And both like you know, I mean meeting meeting the 679 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 8: store owner and interviewing him and hearing him tell me 680 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 8: that he wanted to he wanted to kill me, my gosh. 681 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 7: And then also like. 682 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 8: Coming into contact you know, the woman who played my 683 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 8: mother in the film. She's she is, you know, mentally 684 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 8: ill now and really suffers, and so I hadn't seen 685 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 8: her in years and years and years, and so trying 686 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 8: to process that, and aside from that, also just the 687 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:35,439 Speaker 8: feeling of of of trying to get something, just trying 688 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 8: to get my first doc made you know, anytime you 689 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 8: make something, it's I think for me at least, it's 690 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,879 Speaker 8: always a more emotional thing that you imagine. I think 691 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 8: sometimes that naivete in the beginning is what helps you 692 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 8: because you're like, Okay, I'm just going to do this 693 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 8: and and you know, so. 694 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 4: I'm curious about that because, like you know, when I 695 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 4: watch a doc like that, I'm always like I could never. 696 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 4: I don't think I could do that. Like I don't 697 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 4: think I could sit in a room and draw these 698 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 4: people out, you know, and you do it so well. 699 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 4: You do an American scream too, Like you have a 700 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 4: way of like sitting with a character, and like were 701 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 4: you always that way or is that something that you 702 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,240 Speaker 4: discovered that you had to do because you're sitting across 703 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 4: from like the woman who played your mom, and you're 704 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 4: just like I have to just sort of let this 705 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 4: happen and not make this person feel uncomfortable. 706 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know. 707 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 8: I mean, I don't think it's something that necessarily I. 708 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 7: Discovered. 709 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 8: Like I've I've always been really interested in just people 710 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 8: and curious about individuals and trying to understand them. 711 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 7: I think the more you do it, the more that. 712 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 8: Has only taken hold and I think it's a documentary filmmaker. 713 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 8: I'll actually never I'll never forget because I had actually 714 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 8: best first movie was invited to the screen at Al 715 00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 8: Masle's little theater in Brooklyn, and I'm a massive fan 716 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 8: of Grey Gardens and. 717 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 7: Al actually he had me and my producer. 718 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 8: We stayed with him in Brooklyn and so we still 719 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 8: had the recam and just hung out with him. And 720 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 8: it was one of these moments with like, God, this 721 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 8: is the guy like an. 722 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 7: Idle of mind. But he had said, he had told 723 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 7: me something. 724 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,720 Speaker 8: He said, you know, when you make docs, it's almost 725 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 8: as though you have a thousand teachers. And it's true 726 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 8: in that respect, and that like you don't there's a 727 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 8: very almost sacred relationship you have with a subject and 728 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 8: you get very close to them, if at least for me, 729 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 8: to where the level you understand each other, like there's 730 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 8: really no other relationship you can compare it to outside 731 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 8: of somebody you know, a partner or somebody. 732 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 7: You really love. 733 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,839 Speaker 8: And so you get a look into someone's life and 734 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 8: who they are, worts and all, and there's a real vulnerability, 735 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 8: there's a real sort of like trust, all these sorts 736 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 8: of things. But I always feel like for me, it's 737 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 8: I'm being taught right, Like I always feel like I'm 738 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 8: getting the better of it. Like I will see an 739 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 8: American Scream, any of these characters that I'm still close 740 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 8: with them, and I always feel like there's something that 741 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 8: I take that's very positive and I'm like, wow, I 742 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 8: want to be more like that, and I've learned that 743 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 8: from this person. 744 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 7: And so. 745 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think the more and more you do it, 746 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 8: the more you're like wow, you just get such an 747 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,399 Speaker 8: interesting look into perspective and the lives that others live 748 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 8: when you're a documentary filmmaker and you have a relationship 749 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 8: where you can really share and you know, and grow close. 750 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 5: In case any of our listeners don't know, I do 751 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 5: want to let people know your next documentary at was 752 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,479 Speaker 5: The American Scream, a movie about three families who turn 753 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 5: their houses into extravagant Halloween attractions in Massachusetts. What do 754 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 5: you think drew you to scares. 755 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 7: Chuck? 756 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,359 Speaker 8: Yeah, that was an interesting like I you know, I 757 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 8: like horror films, but I that specific American Scream. There 758 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 8: was there was a network part of NBC Universal called 759 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 8: Chiller that was all horror programming and after Best Ferst 760 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 8: movie came out. They came and they said, do you 761 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 8: want to do something around Halloween? And they were like, 762 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 8: we want to do something on Halloween haunted houses. And 763 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 8: it was basically that brought and in their minds they 764 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 8: were like top ten, you know, something you would see 765 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 8: on TV. Top ten haunted houses sort of thing. And 766 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,760 Speaker 8: I have a very, very fond memory of a woman 767 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 8: in my neighborhood who was considered the weird woman growing 768 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 8: up that every Halloween, her whole she would transform her 769 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 8: whole house into the den of terror, and the whole 770 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 8: neighborhood would would send on this woman's house for that 771 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,879 Speaker 8: one night, and I remember being magical, and then. 772 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 7: The rest of the year nobody ever talked to her. 773 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,280 Speaker 8: And so when they came to me with that, I 774 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 8: sort of secretly was like, I don't want to make 775 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 8: a commercial hunted house film. I want to make I 776 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 8: want to I want to find these families. And fortunately 777 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 8: for me, I got so far into making it that 778 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 8: by the time they really looked at it closely when 779 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 8: I was making it was too far. 780 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 3: Yea, the sunk cost fallacy to your adenty that is great. 781 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 5: Well, Also, I want to talk about your first scripted film, 782 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 5: Girlfriend's Day, which is written by and stars Bob Odenkirk 783 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 5: and Amber Tamblin, Natasha Leone and my new friend Andy Richter. 784 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 3: Yes, you know. 785 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 5: Andy Richter makes the best banana bread I've ever had 786 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 5: in my entire life. 787 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 7: I have no idea. 788 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 5: It is delicious. The other day, I get to work 789 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:54,919 Speaker 5: and I see Andy. 790 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,240 Speaker 3: I go, Andy, how you doing? And he goes okay. 791 00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 3: I go, what's wrong? 792 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 5: Andy goes, well, I thought my rehearsal was at nine, 793 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 5: but it was at one. And I said, oh my gosh, 794 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 5: it's you know, one o'clock. I'm just arriving there. I go, 795 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 5: have you been here all morning? He goes no, I 796 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 5: made banana bread. I said, you made banana bread in 797 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 5: this little kitchen. He goes, no, I went home and 798 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 5: I made banana bread. It's in this little kitchen, though, 799 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 5: if you want to try it. I was like, hell, yeah, 800 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 5: I want to try it. 801 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 3: Go away, I take it. Bade him like, they are 802 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 3: the best banana bread I've ever read. 803 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 7: Thank you. 804 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 3: I really tried a lot of recipes. It was the 805 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:25,720 Speaker 3: greatest thing ever. 806 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 7: That's amazing. 807 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 5: So congratulations on this movie. Did you ever think when 808 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,879 Speaker 5: you were running around the oak Woods. Is this the 809 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 5: career in life you envisioned for yourself. Did you ever 810 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 5: picture being this kind of documentary slash movie director. 811 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 8: I mean I always imagine like a film and just 812 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 8: has always felt like it was just going to be 813 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,319 Speaker 8: a thing that I did. 814 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 7: I didn't know what shape or form. And I still 815 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 7: don't like stories come new thing. 816 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 8: You just don't don't really see everything that's coming. 817 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 7: And I think that when. 818 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 8: You do feel like you have a story, part of 819 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,800 Speaker 8: it is just trying to listen to what that wants 820 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 8: to be and as opposed to maybe what you wanted 821 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 8: wanted to be. So and and girlfriends say, also just 822 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 8: a weird, I mean wild, wild thing where we had. 823 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,240 Speaker 7: We had finished making The Americans. 824 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,760 Speaker 8: Well, we were editing The American Scream in my garage 825 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,720 Speaker 8: and Lindsay my wife, and I my produce, my producing partner, 826 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 8: and I we were I was doing the dumb thing 827 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 8: on on a whiteboard where I was writing down the 828 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,879 Speaker 8: names of my favorite comedians that I felt like had 829 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 8: really strong dramatic sensibilities but hadn't been seen dramatically as 830 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 8: much as they had in the. 831 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 7: World of comedy. And we were huge fans of mister Show. 832 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 2: Yeah such a good show. 833 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, so fun. 834 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 8: And this was like season two of Maybe Breaking Bad. 835 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,800 Speaker 7: So so Bob was just in the background of it. 836 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,360 Speaker 7: We were really excited. We're like, oh, it's Bob and 837 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 7: I and I wrote I was. 838 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 8: I did the thing where I was like, right, dream 839 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 8: actors he would want to work with, and I wrote 840 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 8: his name down on this on this whiteboard in my office. 841 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 8: And it wasn't four or five weeks after that that 842 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 8: there was an interview that I think the Onion or 843 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 8: the av Club did with him and they were asking 844 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 8: him about his favorite films and he named best worst movie. 845 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 6: Wow. 846 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 7: Yeah yeah. 847 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 8: And so then we connected and we were coming up 848 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,239 Speaker 8: on the premiere of American Scream and completely just I 849 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 8: was like, hey, it turns out Bob's Bob's son was 850 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 8: also going through a difficult time in his period of 851 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 8: his life and he was a huge troll tooth fan 852 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 8: and loved the movie. 853 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 7: And YadA, YadA, YadA. So we make we make the 854 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 7: American Scream. We premiere it. I invited Bob and his family, 855 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 7: thinking there's no way he's. 856 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 8: Going to come, and he came and he was like 857 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 8: an hour early and he's like, I got this really 858 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:02,800 Speaker 8: weird comedy. 859 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 7: It's never going to. 860 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 8: Get made, but I'd love for you to make it 861 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 8: with me, or let's talk about it. 862 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 7: And then that started that process. 863 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:11,280 Speaker 2: So cool. 864 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, wild Wild. 865 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,840 Speaker 5: How do you think your experience as a child actor 866 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 5: helps you behind the camera. 867 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 7: Oh, that's a good question. 868 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 8: I think I think really having an understanding and a 869 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,440 Speaker 8: respect and a love and appreciation for how hard it 870 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 8: is in front of a camera and understanding just the 871 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 8: language of acting, right, Like I am reminded sometimes when 872 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 8: I've worked on other projects that a lot of people 873 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,280 Speaker 8: don't understand what it is like to actually be an actor. 874 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 8: And it's hard for me to not understand that because 875 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 8: it's been part of me forever, and so it is 876 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 8: a thing now where I'm like, Wow, it's a real 877 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:52,839 Speaker 8: gift in. 878 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,279 Speaker 7: That I get it and I understand it. 879 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 8: I understand how hard it is, I know how to 880 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 8: you know, I've had that, I've had that experience, and 881 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 8: I know what it is to do it very badly portally. 882 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:12,399 Speaker 8: So yeah, I think it's I think I think it's 883 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,759 Speaker 8: you know, you hear sometimes I mean this is more anecdotally, 884 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 8: but you hear that sort of relations like directors and 885 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 8: actors and directors not understanding actors and they're sometimes being attentioned. 886 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,840 Speaker 8: I've never really experienced that personally because I have nothing, 887 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,440 Speaker 8: but like acting was my first point into all of it. 888 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,879 Speaker 7: So, you know, it. 889 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 8: Doesn't feel foreign to me or counter it feels it 890 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 8: feels like the enabler of all. 891 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 7: Really. 892 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned that you have kids. How many kids 893 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:42,200 Speaker 3: do you have? 894 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:47,400 Speaker 8: I have three daughters. Wow, yeah, so yeah, my oldest 895 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 8: actually turns eighteen in a few weeks, which is she's 896 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 8: I know, I know, it's crazy. She learned to drive 897 00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 8: this lab well summer and a half ago. And it's 898 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,920 Speaker 8: a weird moment to be sitting and I know, you, Daniel, 899 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 8: you have you you have children. 900 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 5: As well, right, writer writer has a son and I 901 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 5: have two. 902 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, so you you yeah, you know, and it 903 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,879 Speaker 8: is they you know. So I have an almost eighteen 904 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 8: year old, fifteen year old and then a nine year 905 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:20,399 Speaker 8: old nine year old. 906 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 7: I'm taking the movie night tonight. It's it's it's. 907 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 8: Amazing to be sitting shotgun as your daughter is driving 908 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,840 Speaker 8: you throughout LA and it's controlling the radio and like 909 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,360 Speaker 8: putting on Stevie Nicks or something. 910 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 7: You know. Okay, life is okay, it's pretty good, pretty good. 911 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 5: Do any of your children have they ever expressed any 912 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,920 Speaker 5: interest in acting or being in the entertainment industry. 913 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 7: Yeah. 914 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,279 Speaker 8: So, so here's the thing that's and this is a 915 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:55,200 Speaker 8: thing where I have, I have, I have I have 916 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,399 Speaker 8: to talk to my therapist more about this and get 917 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 8: over this thing. Because my my old oldest and my 918 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,719 Speaker 8: youngest really every all of all three. 919 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,560 Speaker 7: Of my kids were really we're really in the theater, 920 00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,279 Speaker 7: like we love theater and. 921 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 8: I'll never forget actually the first time that my old 922 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,719 Speaker 8: so my youngest have never seen Troll two or Best 923 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:17,440 Speaker 8: Versus Movie. 924 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,000 Speaker 7: My middle child, my middle and. 925 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,239 Speaker 8: My oldest have and they've actually the first screen they 926 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 8: went to a screening. 927 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,879 Speaker 7: Right, I didn't even tell them what it was about. 928 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:26,319 Speaker 6: They don't. 929 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 8: You don't really talk about a lot of this sort 930 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,960 Speaker 8: of stuff at home. You're you're busy, you know, uh, 931 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 8: with life. And my oldest and my middle they went 932 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,000 Speaker 8: to a screening of Troll two in Montreal for the 933 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:39,399 Speaker 8: first time. 934 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 7: They had no idea what they were in for Troll 935 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,320 Speaker 7: two and Bestpersus. 936 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 8: Movie, and their minds were blown afterwards and outside of that, 937 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,280 Speaker 8: I've never been somebody. And we watched movies, we watched 938 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 8: docs like I took them to see American Movie at 939 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,399 Speaker 8: the New Beverly over Thanksgiving this, you know, so it's 940 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,440 Speaker 8: been part of their thing, but they they are naturally 941 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,920 Speaker 8: Like my oldest is, she's she just you know, she 942 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 8: has a film that's that's playing as part of the 943 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 8: High School Film Festival. 944 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 7: In New York next month, that got selected. I didn't. 945 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,920 Speaker 7: I didn't. I didn't. I didn't like encourage her. 946 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,759 Speaker 3: She's acting, directing it. What did she do? 947 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 7: Directed? Acted and put our youngest in it? 948 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,920 Speaker 8: And she didn't. She didn't tell me. I like, I 949 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,799 Speaker 8: kid you not. We didn't talk about it. She she 950 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,440 Speaker 8: just said, I'm working on this thing. And then we 951 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,240 Speaker 8: went and we saw it, and she is very much 952 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,239 Speaker 8: drawn to it, more than my other two. I mean, 953 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,520 Speaker 8: my youngest is she just got so weird. She just 954 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,760 Speaker 8: got the lead role of Annie at a local production 955 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 8: and and that was the you know, I remember when 956 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,560 Speaker 8: before she was going into audition, She's like, Dad, like, 957 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,399 Speaker 8: do you think I could really get this role? 958 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,239 Speaker 7: And I was like, and I asked her. 959 00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,839 Speaker 8: I said, do you think you can get this role. 960 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,200 Speaker 8: And she's like, yeah, I do. And I was like, well, 961 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,480 Speaker 8: why do you think that? And she's like, well I practiced. 962 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:05,640 Speaker 8: I said, okay, well. 963 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,719 Speaker 7: Done your best, and she got she got the role. 964 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,839 Speaker 8: But it is the thing, and I was talking about 965 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,120 Speaker 8: this with Lindsay It's like, I don't it's hard when 966 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 8: you see inside the kitchen of this business, right, and 967 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,279 Speaker 8: so there is this thing where it's like I want 968 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,879 Speaker 8: to encourage art and creativity and making things, but I'm 969 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,160 Speaker 8: also a little more cynical now, like truly on a 970 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:30,920 Speaker 8: number of levels. 971 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,720 Speaker 7: And so it's this sort of tension of. 972 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 8: Like, yeah, I like like chase your dreams, but also like. 973 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:37,600 Speaker 2: Oh, like. 974 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, totally get that. 975 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,320 Speaker 7: M h yeah, I'm sure I was dancing with the stars. 976 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,360 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. The most fun, the most fun. 977 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:56,080 Speaker 4: The most fun for her, it's my worst nightmare. We're 978 00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:00,920 Speaker 4: having a blast with it, watching from a far exactly. 979 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,680 Speaker 5: It's really been great and Andy getting to know Andy 980 00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,560 Speaker 5: has been getting to know everybody honestly has been really 981 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,839 Speaker 5: really great, and we're all super bonded, and you know, 982 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:12,920 Speaker 5: it's it's hard. 983 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,400 Speaker 3: It's hard. Yeah, it's so much work. 984 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,560 Speaker 7: I can only imagine. 985 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,839 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, my my family. I was out of town 986 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 8: this last week, but my family had told me they 987 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 8: had watched they'd started watching the season and my you know, 988 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,160 Speaker 8: Boydant's World and Girl Meets a World. I mean, you 989 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,160 Speaker 8: guys probably get this, but like my teas like watched 990 00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,359 Speaker 8: and loved that show like it's it. They were so 991 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,919 Speaker 8: when I was like, oh, you know, do you guys 992 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,920 Speaker 8: know about this, and they're like, of course we know, 993 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,120 Speaker 8: and they you know, they they really like so your show. 994 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,760 Speaker 8: Both shows are still continuing to connect with young people, 995 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:52,880 Speaker 8: which is pretty awesome. 996 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, yesterday I had the weirdest experience. So Alex Earl, 997 00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 5: who's like, you know, a massive social media star, she influencer, 998 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,560 Speaker 5: She's very big on TikTok, and she is very young, 999 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,759 Speaker 5: but like in her twenties young, not you know, teenager young. 1000 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,920 Speaker 5: And for TikTok week, she had these two very young 1001 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 5: teenagers in the studio with her teaching her choreography that's 1002 00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,680 Speaker 5: going to be a part of her dance because they 1003 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,799 Speaker 5: they were the originators of this choreography on TikTok, and 1004 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,280 Speaker 5: so she brought them in and so I'm talking to Alex, 1005 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:26,880 Speaker 5: I'm like, Alex, I want to do a TikTok with you. 1006 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,759 Speaker 5: I'm explaining to her what the TikTok is, and the 1007 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,480 Speaker 5: two girls are standing there and I said, Hi, I'm 1008 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,239 Speaker 5: Danielle by the way, and I'm thinking, alex Earl has 1009 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:34,120 Speaker 5: no idea who I am. 1010 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,120 Speaker 3: Like, alex Earl has never heard of Boy Meets World. 1011 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,080 Speaker 5: She's like, I mean, I've seen it on TikTok, I've 1012 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,479 Speaker 5: seen clips of it, but like she's never seen the show. 1013 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 5: She doesn't know who I am. She's not a fan. 1014 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,440 Speaker 5: I mean she's a fan, like, you know, she likes me, 1015 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,080 Speaker 5: but she's not like she had no idea. And I 1016 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,000 Speaker 5: turned to the teenagers and both of them are just 1017 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,200 Speaker 5: wide eyed. They're like, we are such big fans. I 1018 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,040 Speaker 5: was like, really, like what Girl Meets World was my 1019 00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:59,640 Speaker 5: favorite show? 1020 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:01,840 Speaker 3: And I'm like, sure enough, you know. 1021 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,440 Speaker 5: I mean for a seventeen year old kid who was 1022 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,319 Speaker 5: probably seven when we were doing Girl Meets World on 1023 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,440 Speaker 5: the Disney Channel that was our demo, Yeah. 1024 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:12,440 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah. 1025 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,000 Speaker 4: To bring the conversation full circle, I mean, that's like, 1026 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,040 Speaker 4: I think that's why your doctor spoke to me, is like, 1027 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,560 Speaker 4: you don't have control over how these things live, where 1028 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,960 Speaker 4: your art ends up especially as an actor, but I 1029 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,040 Speaker 4: would say even as a director, as you know, it's 1030 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,959 Speaker 4: like you do your best, you put it out there 1031 00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,399 Speaker 4: and you know it fails, and then ten years later 1032 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,799 Speaker 4: it's everybody's talking about it or something that is the 1033 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,000 Speaker 4: biggest movie ever and everybody's talking about it, and then 1034 00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,719 Speaker 4: you know, ten years later, does anybody really remember it? 1035 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:41,919 Speaker 6: Like that happens all the time. 1036 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:43,760 Speaker 3: That doesn't hold up anymore. 1037 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,520 Speaker 6: It's true, it doesn't something. 1038 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,360 Speaker 4: You know, it's like the reality of like we were, 1039 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,480 Speaker 4: we it's just getting older, right, It's like realizing the 1040 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,799 Speaker 4: trends and realizing that you can't always predict and you know, 1041 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,600 Speaker 4: you have to engage with those trends. You have to 1042 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,400 Speaker 4: look at it as a conversation you're having. There's no 1043 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,719 Speaker 4: right or wrong answer, you know, there's no like. 1044 00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 1: That's the thing that's so beautiful about it is things 1045 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,879 Speaker 1: like the room control to these are things that are 1046 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,160 Speaker 1: going to last forever and. 1047 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:09,959 Speaker 7: Ever and ever. 1048 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,400 Speaker 1: And if that's your goal as an artist is to 1049 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:13,319 Speaker 1: make something. 1050 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,040 Speaker 2: That lasts, you've done it. I mean, it's amazing. 1051 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,799 Speaker 7: Yeah. 1052 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,080 Speaker 5: So is it one of the great lessons of life 1053 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,960 Speaker 5: that we just don't have control over anything? 1054 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:29,040 Speaker 3: So the sooner we get comfortable you I know. 1055 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,920 Speaker 5: I mean, listen, if you sign on to do Dancing 1056 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,239 Speaker 5: with the Stars with the goal of making it to 1057 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,759 Speaker 5: the finals and then snap your hamstring tendon in week two, 1058 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:40,920 Speaker 5: let me tell you what you get used to so 1059 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,880 Speaker 5: you know you just like you just have to go 1060 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,439 Speaker 5: with it. So thank you so much for being here 1061 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,960 Speaker 5: with us. I'm so happy we were able to unite 1062 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,440 Speaker 5: you and reunite you and Writer. I have a feeling 1063 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,480 Speaker 5: you guys are going to have a friendship reaching out. 1064 00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:58,399 Speaker 7: We're going to hang. 1065 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,560 Speaker 5: Because we got I can tell you guys speak the 1066 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,040 Speaker 5: same language. 1067 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,800 Speaker 3: You guys are going to be best buds. 1068 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:07,759 Speaker 2: I'm excited for your podcast. 1069 00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:14,279 Speaker 5: Yes, So thank you so much for spending your time 1070 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,719 Speaker 5: with us. Really means a lot to us. And the 1071 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,080 Speaker 5: best of luck on Girlfriends Day and everything else you have. 1072 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,240 Speaker 5: We will be watching everything you do in the future. 1073 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,520 Speaker 8: Hey, I really appreciate it and it's been a pleasure. 1074 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,399 Speaker 8: And all the best to the three of you as well. 1075 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:28,200 Speaker 3: Thank you. 1076 00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,200 Speaker 5: Make sure your family sets a timer to vote for 1077 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,919 Speaker 5: me every Tuesday at five pm. Text Danielle the two 1078 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:40,800 Speaker 5: one five two three man. 1079 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,360 Speaker 3: He's great, Yeah, great, Writer, He's writer's. 1080 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,080 Speaker 4: Funny, Like, you know, it's funny that you know, you 1081 00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,759 Speaker 4: become friends for a reason, probably at the age of 1082 00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,200 Speaker 4: ten or eleven, and it's probably a. 1083 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:55,919 Speaker 6: Good reason to stay. 1084 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:56,920 Speaker 3: Totally. 1085 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, we just for whatever reason, our lives went in 1086 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,480 Speaker 4: separate ways. But I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm totally like, 1087 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,160 Speaker 4: I honestly don't remember him, but I know that if 1088 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,080 Speaker 4: I met him, we were probably spending days together, run around. 1089 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:11,279 Speaker 5: Absolutely, you were probably loving conversation with him. 1090 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,640 Speaker 3: Then, yeah, well conversation. 1091 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:15,799 Speaker 2: I want to see that oak Woods doc. 1092 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:16,800 Speaker 6: Yeah show. 1093 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know that there's been a couple actually I've 1094 00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,000 Speaker 4: heard about a couple different like profiles of Oakwood. 1095 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,080 Speaker 5: But yeah, Jensen said, it's really dark, but it's great. 1096 00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,399 Speaker 5: Thank you all for listening to this episode of Pod 1097 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,680 Speaker 5: Meets World. 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