1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch us 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg dot com, the 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app and the Bloomberg Business app, or listen on 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: demand wherever you get your podcasts. 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 2: It's already been a day and this is getting to 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 2: be a recurring theme here as Republicans bring a procedural 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: vote to the floor of the House to engage debate 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: not actually even passive bill on defense spending. And this 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: didn't end the way the leader hoped. 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 3: On this vote, the Ya's are two hundred twelve, the 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 3: nays are two hundred and sixteen. 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 4: The resolution is not adopted. 13 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: The House now for a third time here a little 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: grown there failing to start debate on this Pentagon spending 15 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: bill eight hundred and twenty six billion dollars, which really 16 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: is making everyone feel like a shutdown maybe more likely 17 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: or imminent. Here it's going to be a working weekend 18 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: at least on Saturday before everyone goes home for the 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: Iwish holiday. And even if a cr gets passed in 20 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: the House, it doesn't stand a chance in the Senate. 21 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: That's where changes will happen and things get very complicated, 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 2: and then there's of course, we've got the holdouts here, 23 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: the rogues in the Republican Conference, namely Matt Gates, who 24 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 2: says no continuing resolution, especially if it requires Democrats. 25 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 5: But if Speaker McCarthy relies on Democrats to pass a 26 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 5: continuing resolution, I would call the Capital moving truck to 27 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 5: his office pretty soon, because my expectation would be he'd 28 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 5: be out of the Speaker's office quite promptly. 29 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 2: He knows has a way speaking with reporters outside of 30 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: the House. Marjorie Taylor Green weighing in in a conversation 31 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 2: earlier with Bloomberg, there were a bunch of mics around. 32 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: But speaking with Bloomberg about the continuing Resolution again, that's 33 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: the stopgap bill that would keep the government from closing DOA. 34 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 6: She says, as far as the CR, we had an 35 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 6: over two hour meeting, and what I heard in the 36 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 6: meeting is there were seven or eight people that were 37 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 6: no on it, and so it's to me it's dead 38 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 6: in the water unless they change something. 39 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: Dead in the water. And then of course there's Donald Trump, 40 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 2: who got to Truth Social last evening. Here, I need 41 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: to pull it up so I can do this properly. 42 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: Truth Social to talk about his take on this. Now, Remember, 43 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: Kavin McCarthy has been an ally, so I'm even arguing 44 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 2: that this is why he brought up the impeachment inquiry, 45 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 2: was to help Donald Trump, who writes a very important 46 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: deadline it's approaching at the end of the month. Republicans 47 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 2: in Congress, he says, can and must defund all aspects 48 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: of Crooked Joe Biden's weaponized government. I'll skip down a 49 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 2: little bit here, use the power of the purse and 50 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: defend the country. He says. This is also the last 51 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: chance to defund these political prosecutions against me and other patriots. 52 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: So we've got a problem here at a critical time here. 53 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: Let I say nine days and we're done, and we 54 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: can't figure out to stop gap, never mind the whole thing. 55 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: That's why we wanted to talk as well with Mark Goldwin, 56 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 2: Senior vice president, senior policy director at the Committee for 57 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: a Responsible Federal Budget. Mark, it's great to see you, 58 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 2: Welcome back. We have a lot that we could get 59 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: into here and be curious your thoughts on some of 60 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 2: the options. But is the Committee kind of like everyone 61 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: else in Washington and expecting a shutdown at this point. 62 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 3: We've been actually doing. Some surveys of experts at House 63 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 3: say the odds of the shutdown. 64 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: Are going way up, way up. 65 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 3: You always assume they're going to do something the last 66 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: minute to avoid it, until they don't. And it's hard 67 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 3: to see how we get from here to there. 68 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: If you're following this, you know you're playing along in 69 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: your home game. They think that they can pass a 70 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: CR in the House, the Republican Ledhouse, then it goes 71 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: to the Senate. They attach Ukraine funding, they attach disaster relief. 72 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: It comes back to the House. That's where the problem lies, right. 73 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 3: Well, the House can't even pass a CR yet they've 74 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: been having They can't even get their own I'm talking 75 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: best case case scenario. And the House and Senate not 76 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 3: only did they disagree on things like Ukraine and disaster, 77 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: they disagree on the top line. Normally, a continued resolution 78 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 3: just takes last year's numbers and extends them with small modifications. 79 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 3: But the House wants to go significantly below last year's numbers, 80 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 3: and the Setate in some ways wants to go above. 81 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 3: So they don't even have fundamental agreement on the number, 82 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 3: let alone the things that are attached to it. 83 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 2: And it's happening against the backdrop of this test of 84 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: the speaker's authority. Does that feel real to you or 85 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 2: is Matt Gates just you know, having fun entertaining his followers. 86 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 3: Well, you have to understand. The rules they set up 87 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: for the speaker puts him in constant state of vulnerability. 88 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 3: So in the past, the majority of the majority was 89 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 3: kind of the rule. If the speaker, Republican Speaker could 90 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 3: get most Republicans on a bill, he'd put it forward. 91 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 3: Speaker McCarthy seems to need almost the entirety of the majority. 92 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 3: That's a really different criteria. 93 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, sure is the problem. Solver's Caucus is reportedly 94 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: working up something here. They've agreed on a plan that 95 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: would in fact make a lot of people happy if 96 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: it ever saw the light of day. It calls for 97 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 2: all twelve appropriations bills to be passed by January eleventh, Right, 98 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 2: so this would actually push us through the end of 99 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: the year. Here would include Ukraine, it would include a 100 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: disaster relief, and it would create a Debt and Deficit Commission. Now, 101 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: I don't know if this is going anywhere, but the 102 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 2: idea of a debt and Deficit Commission, you know, kind 103 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 2: of brings us back a little bit to the super 104 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: Committee and some of the swings that we've taken at 105 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 2: this before. Would the Committee support something like that because 106 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: I believe that that that's something that you've encouraged in 107 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 2: the past. How about in the form it's being proposed to. 108 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: Very strongly, we just put out a letter with eleven 109 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 3: of some of the top policy experts in the left, right, 110 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 3: and center, all calling for a fiscal commission. The appropriations 111 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 3: we're talking about now, they cover a quarter of the budget, 112 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: so that leaves three quarters of the budget undiscussed, plus 113 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: all the revenue. This commission is probably our best way 114 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 3: forward to have an honest, adult, bipartisan conversation over medicare, 115 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 3: over tax policy, over social Security, and over other parts 116 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 3: of the budget that frankly, politicians are too excited to 117 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 3: beat each other over the head with and not interested 118 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 3: enough in solving when it's out in public. 119 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: Interesting, do you have a sense of what's going to 120 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 2: happen in the next week here? Even if Republicans do 121 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: finish their work this weekend, the shutdown would happen at 122 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: the fiscal year, not say, a month from now, because 123 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: you don't expect a cr to pass or is this 124 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: just anyone's guess. 125 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 3: It's anyone's guess. I think they could come together last 126 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 3: minute with a short kick the can. We could be 127 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: in a shutdown and then we have to reopen. I 128 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 3: hope that whatever they do, they take very seriously this 129 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 3: idea of a fiscal commission, because we're not going to 130 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 3: solve any of our budgetary challenges just looking at the 131 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 3: defense and the non defense appropriations. 132 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: Remembering, of course, there was a debt ceiling deal. What 133 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: if you brought that back to the floor, now, what 134 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: would happen? 135 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 3: So what's interesting is the whole purpose of that debt 136 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 3: ceiling deal was to set the number so that the 137 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: appropriators could fight about other stuff. 138 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: And we're still more arguing over that numb deal never happened. 139 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 3: The House wants to go way below the deal, the 140 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: Senate actually wants to go above the deal. Nobody actually 141 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 3: wants to stick to the deal. 142 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: But he passed it at one point. Could he do 143 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: it again? It's just amazing. You go away for August 144 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: recess and you come back and we're in a different 145 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: reality somehow. 146 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, be interesting to ask the folks that voted for 147 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: it whether you support the deal, but you just don't 148 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 3: support what would come out of it or not. Remember again, 149 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: there's this unanimity among majority problem. Right, So not every 150 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 3: Republican voted for that deal. Perhaps the same ones that 151 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 3: voted for the deal would vote for the appropriation. But 152 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 3: then Speaker McCarthy is at risk of a voter no 153 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 3: confidence effectively. 154 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: What does it do having Voladimir Zelensky here? As I 155 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,119 Speaker 2: was saying with Jack, you know, right in the middle 156 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 2: of all this, the motorcade rolls up. He's meeting with 157 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: leadership at least on the Senate side, and he's meeting 158 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: with the Speaker as well. Not so much the rank 159 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: and file does a bit of a disruption here and 160 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: reminds everybody of this thing that we can't seem to 161 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: agree on. Does his arrival make it more likely that 162 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: Ukraine will get another dose of funding or is it 163 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: interrupting the flow? 164 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 3: You know, maybe a little bit of both. I do 165 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 3: think that ordinarily the need for emergency or disaster funding 166 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: actually can kind of skid the wheels increase the wheels. 167 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 3: Excuse me, Yeah, right, so the hurricane money needed in Florida, etc. 168 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: But in this case, the Ukraine funding has become controversial 169 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 3: in some circles, and it may actually be an impediment 170 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 3: to a final deal. 171 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 2: Does the committee want to hear a conversation about revenue 172 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: or is it just about funding responsibly living within our means. 173 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 2: It seems we never talk about the potential of hiking taxes. 174 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 3: To try to close this gap, we have to talk 175 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: about revenue. Look, there's about one and a half trillion 176 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: dollars a year we spend through the tax code on 177 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 3: various tax breaks. The idea that we would talk about 178 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 3: the real spending but not the tax spending is a 179 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 3: little bit silly, and it's another reason I think this 180 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: Fiscal Commission can help. I worked on the Simpson Bulls 181 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 3: Commission in twenty ten, on the Super Committee in twenty eleven, 182 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 3: and all of the Republicans, I do, Democrats Republicans both agreed, 183 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 3: we need to talk about entitlements, We need to talk 184 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 3: about revenue. 185 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, did Donald Trump just guarantee your shut down? Did 186 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: you see what he vuote on true Social something New? 187 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: Or he's urging Republicans to vote against what he calls 188 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 2: a very important deadline at the end of the month. 189 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: Republicans in Congress can and must defund. He says, all 190 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: aspects of Crooked Joe Biden's weaponized government. And I could 191 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: read the rest. 192 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 3: But well, there's a couple of ways this can go down, right. 193 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 3: The one is that the House Republicans come together on 194 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 3: something they can negotiate with the Senate. And the others 195 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 3: is that this isn't bipartisan pell one way or another. 196 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 3: We are not going to have the government shutdown for 197 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 3: the entire next fiscal year. So even if it's shutdown, 198 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 3: it we'll reopen at some point, and we will need 199 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 3: the votes for that. 200 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 2: You like to think it will, Let's hope we're not 201 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: about to make history. Mark Goldwine, great to have you back, 202 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: someone we want to stay in touch with while this 203 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,119 Speaker 2: is being figured out from the Committee for a Responsible 204 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: Federal Budget, our neighbors here in Washington, where he's Senior VP, 205 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 2: Senior Policy Director. 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But the 225 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: argument for Ukraine funding is pretty loud today too. He's 226 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: on the Pentagon for the first time. Then he's going 227 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: to the White House later on. But you talk to 228 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: a lot of lawmakers who have a lot of different 229 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: views on whether we're we're going to shut down a 230 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: week from tomorrow. 231 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 7: I did, I mean I talked to some of those hardliners, 232 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 7: including Republican Congressman Matt Gates of Florida, who told me 233 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 7: there will not be sufficient Republican votes for a continuing resolution, 234 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 7: and then he went on to say, if they've had 235 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 7: moderate Republicans who want to join up with Democrats, they'll 236 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 7: be signing their own political death warrant. So I think 237 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 7: that just speaks to the mood among some Republicans on 238 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 7: the Hill right now. But to your point, Joe, of 239 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 7: Ukraine being one thing and funding battles being another, I 240 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 7: would argue that they are tied because one of those 241 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 7: that flipped on McCarthy, one of the individuals who decided 242 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 7: not to vote for the DoD funding bill was Marjorie 243 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 7: Taylor Green, and I asked her why outside the Capitol, 244 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 7: and she said, I wanted Ukraine funding. Out of that 245 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 7: they should have spun it off into a separate bill 246 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 7: bill I could have voted no for. They didn't do that. 247 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 7: So I voted no on the rule and I'll vote 248 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 7: no on the bill. 249 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 2: Michael McCall meantime, says, fine, we'll write it into the 250 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 2: budget for next year. He was talking to reporters earlier 251 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 2: as well. 252 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 9: Right now, as the triops, you're going in with no 253 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 9: air kever, they have to take the minds by hand 254 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 9: at nighttime. We wouldn't send our troops into that situation. 255 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 9: So we need to give them everything they need. If 256 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 9: this administration won't give it to them, then I submitted 257 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 9: that we write it in our appropriations bill, We write 258 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 9: the weapons that he asked for that this administration won't give, 259 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 9: write that in our proporation's bill. And I think the 260 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 9: Democrats at the table were the Stenny warrior that Nancy 261 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 9: Plosi to the whip and Chairman, mister Meeks, we all. 262 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 2: Agree Nancy Pelosi is still in charge of that. You 263 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: were in that in that scrum. He was just emerging 264 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: from his meeting with a lot of Versilensky. 265 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 7: Correct that he was there with Speaker McCarthy and he 266 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 7: said that Speaker McCarthy did press Selensky on the accountability 267 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 7: question that a lot of lawmakers have been raising, but 268 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 7: that also McCarthy has been strong in his support for Ukraine. 269 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 7: And he was asked about that twenty four billion dollars 270 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 7: in supplemental funding for Ukraine that the White House has 271 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 7: asked for if it'll pass, and mccau seems pretty firm 272 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 7: that Ukraine is going to get that aid, that the 273 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 7: House is going to make that happen. It just might 274 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 7: be kind of hard to get that done given the 275 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 7: rhetoric we're hearing from some other members. 276 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 277 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely, it was not only McCall by the way, who 278 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 2: was talking about his meeting with Selensky. In the other chamber, 279 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 2: we heard from Senator Chuck Schumer. 280 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 4: Let me just there was a single sentence that summed 281 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 4: it all up, and I'm quoting him, verbade him. Mister 282 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 4: Zelenski said, if we don't get the aid, we will 283 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 4: lose the war. 284 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 10: That's a quote. Ute. 285 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 4: Were there pushback from Republicans. 286 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 2: In that room, No answer to the questions it's bringing 287 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: Brett Bruin, I've been looking forward to the president of 288 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 2: the Global Situation Room, former US diplomat and the Obama 289 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: administration is with us right now and a reliable voice 290 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: when it comes to Ukraine and of course all geopolitical matters. Brett, 291 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: it's great to have you back. We spent so much 292 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 2: time talking about this war effort in the run up 293 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,239 Speaker 2: to war, in the execution, going through the counter offensive, 294 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: and now the fight for money. Does this visit make 295 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: a difference for President Zelensky? 296 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 11: Well, I have to say, Joe, it could not have 297 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 11: come at a more important time as they are hashing 298 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 11: out not just you know, questions overall of government funding, 299 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 11: but very specifically will they authorize those twenty four billion 300 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 11: dollars that the Biden administration is asking for. And it 301 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 11: is hard to look Zelensky in the face, to see 302 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 11: that pain on his face and to turn him down. 303 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 11: And I think it will be more difficult tomorrow and 304 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 11: in the coming days for many Republicans to hold that 305 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 11: line that somehow our support that one hundred billion dollars 306 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 11: or so is not being well spent. When you see 307 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 11: the sacrifice, you see the bravery that Ukrainians are demonstrating 308 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 11: on the battlefield. 309 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 7: Well, when we talk about what we see, I wonder 310 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 7: what kind of message it sends, at least optically for 311 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 7: someone on the outside looking in, like Vladimir Putin to 312 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 7: see when Vladimir Zelensky was walking into the House meeting, 313 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 7: he was flanked only by the Democratic leader Hakim Jeffreys. 314 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 7: He was not there being walked escorted in by Speaker McCarthy. 315 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 7: And I feel like that just visually also underscoes some 316 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 7: of the discord we are seeing. 317 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 11: How does that play, Yeah, Kailee, I think this is 318 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 11: really important to remind folks here in Washington that every 319 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 11: appearance of doubt division is an opportunity for Moscow and 320 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 11: they will exploit it to the fullest. When I was 321 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 11: at the White House back in twenty thirteen twenty fourteen 322 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 11: focused on Russian propaganda, they take those sound bites and 323 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 11: they amplify them. So I think it's really important for 324 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 11: leaders on both sides of the Aisle to be responsible 325 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 11: with their questions. Yes, we should make sure that our 326 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 11: money's being well spent, we shouldn't just write playing checks. 327 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 11: But at the same time, you know this notion that 328 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 11: somehow we're just not going to send any more support 329 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 11: that hits really hard in the trenches of eastern Ukraine. 330 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: So how's this going to end? He is making his 331 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: trip through Congress, stopping by the Pentagon and then talking 332 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: to the President Brett, it's that first visit that's really 333 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: going to matter. He did get with Speaker McCarthy, and 334 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: to your point, it does seem that being in person 335 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: maybe loosen up the mood a little bit with some 336 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: of the limited commentary that we've I've heard from Kevin McCarthy, 337 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: But this is probably not going to be part of 338 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 2: a continuing resolution. What can President Zelenski actually get done today. 339 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 11: I think it's really important at the White House that 340 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 11: President Biden and his team start to articulate what does 341 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 11: success look like? We want twenty four billion extra dollars 342 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 11: and this is what we think that we can see 343 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 11: in the coming months in terms of progress, because up 344 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 11: until now it has just been one announcement of more 345 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,719 Speaker 11: money after another, and I think Republicans are taking advantage 346 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 11: of that. They're exploiting the fact that the administration says 347 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 11: we'll just send more money over We've got to start 348 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 11: looking at what are those goals, what does success look like? 349 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 11: And I think that will help to ensure that everyone 350 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 11: remains focused on what all of this is for. 351 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 7: Well, on that subject of defining success, Brett, when Congressman 352 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 7: McCall came out of that House meeting and was talking 353 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 7: to a group of US reporters, he said that this 354 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 7: can't be a war of attrition, that there needs to 355 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 7: be a plan for victory and it needs to happen quickly, 356 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 7: and the speed of things was something he kept coming 357 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 7: back to. Also, the idea that Ukraine just isn't getting 358 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 7: weapons fast enough, even if the US agrees to send them, 359 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 7: that the process is just too slow. What's your take 360 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 7: on that, even if you know, okay, here Ukraine, you 361 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 7: can have what you want, but it still has to 362 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 7: get to those front lines. It has to get there 363 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 7: to start making a real difference. And I just wonder 364 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 7: if it is too slow to make a difference. 365 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 11: And I agree, Kaylee, I think we are in this 366 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 11: situation where the last year and a half, you know, 367 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 11: Ukraine has had to go down a laundry list of asks. 368 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 11: Every time the administration here in Washington saying I don't 369 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 11: think so, only to reverse course. That choose up valuable time, 370 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 11: It choos up valuable resources that could be spent on 371 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 11: executing a strategy, on getting further support. So I really 372 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 11: hope as we head on, unfortunately towards that two year mark, 373 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 11: there is an effort to articulate these are the things 374 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 11: that we're going to need in order to get to 375 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 11: where we think we could be a year from now, 376 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 11: and that helps I think everyone across the NATO Alliance 377 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 11: to understand what they have to show up with, because 378 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 11: right now it's kind of like a potluck meal. 379 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 2: We're talking with prep Bruin at the Global situation room, Brett, 380 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: I've got to ask you about what's happening in Poland. This, 381 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: of course Ukraine's neighbor, whose premiere says the country is 382 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: halting weapons supplies to Ukraine. We are no longer this 383 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: is a direct quote transferring weapons to Ukraine, because we 384 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,959 Speaker 2: are now arming Poland with more modern weapons. Went on 385 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 2: to say his government has no intention to quote risk 386 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 2: the security of Ukraine unquote, and will not interfere with 387 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 2: armed shipments from other countries through this country that of 388 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 2: course has become the hub for these transfers. How much 389 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 2: of a problem is this and is this coming down 390 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 2: to a personal dispute between Poland and Ukraine. 391 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 11: Well, look, Poland also has an election coming up. Some 392 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 11: of this is domestic politics. But what I will say 393 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 11: is that it raises the challenge of our defense production capabilities, 394 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 11: both here in the US but particularly in Europe. And 395 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 11: I don't think that enough has been done to ramp 396 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 11: those up. Because we've been sending an extraordinary amount of 397 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 11: arms and weapons systems over to Ukraine. We have to 398 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 11: backfill those. We have to expand capacity, not only you 399 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 11: know in the European theater, but obviously we have a 400 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 11: significant threat that is developing over in the Taiwan Strait. 401 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 11: So we've got to focus on a broader strategy, and 402 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 11: I think we've been too myopically looking at some of 403 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 11: these issues. You know, I served in a rock as 404 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 11: a diplomat with an army commander who was saying, you 405 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 11: can be so focused on the problem that you missed 406 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 11: the threat. And I think we are really focused on Ukraine. 407 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 11: We've got to ensure that our European allies also have 408 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 11: what they need. 409 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 7: So on the subject of the threat, those who are 410 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 7: proponents of continuing to help Ukraine in this war to 411 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 7: continue to provide funding essentially, see anything that is giving 412 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 7: in in any way or relenting in the battle against 413 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 7: Russia is sending signals elsewhere to I don't know, places 414 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 7: like China. Brett, what do you think about that? Not 415 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 7: just that the signals that whatever is happening in the 416 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 7: US is sending to the Kremlin, to Vladimir Putin, but 417 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 7: to others as well, other adversaries. 418 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 8: Well. 419 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 11: On the positive note, I actually think that Beijing has 420 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 11: been given more reason for pause when it comes to 421 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 11: a potential invasion of Taiwan because they have seen the 422 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 11: way that the West came together, and while certainly there 423 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 11: are critiques of the slowness with which it happened, I 424 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 11: think now the fact that it has happened, that we 425 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 11: do have a model for how we come together as 426 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 11: a community of democracies and support of the nation that's 427 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 11: threatened is important nonetheless, And this is where you know, 428 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 11: when I talk about the post American era, I think 429 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 11: you need to only look as far as places like India, 430 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 11: Saudi Arabia, Brazil, not to mention some of you know, 431 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 11: the other major adversary challenges. And what we're seeing is 432 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 11: an effort to try and disrupt the old order, to 433 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:30,479 Speaker 11: take advantage of places where the US and you know, 434 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 11: our European allies are disengaging, Africa certainly being a big one. 435 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 11: I worry that we are going to see over the 436 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 11: coming years efforts that will create more friction. There will 437 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 11: be more instability, and I think for listeners on Bloomberg Radio, 438 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 11: one of the challenges is that crises, global crises will 439 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 11: become more common. What we're seeing play out right now 440 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 11: between Armenia and Azerbaijan is only going to multiply. 441 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 2: This is quite a headline. Brett Bruin in the New 442 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 2: York Times today, Zelenski tells UN Security Council it's useless. 443 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: Will Russia has a veto when you consider that the 444 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 2: fact that so many world leaders did not attend the 445 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: UN General Assembly this week She putin mccron, sunak, I 446 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 2: could keep going here, and that was supposed to advantage 447 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: Joe Biden. When you step back here and look at 448 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: the General Assembly at this point, is it broken? 449 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 11: I think there are a lot of broken parts and 450 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 11: pieces in the UN system. It was never perfect, but 451 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 11: it was designed to prevent the kind of conflicts that 452 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 11: are now playing out, particularly in Ukraine. And the fact 453 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 11: that the UN Security Council has been so impeded in 454 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 11: taking any action, really demands that we look at how 455 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 11: we come up with new systems, How can we create 456 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 11: new structures because what we have certainly isn't working. And 457 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 11: this week up in New York at the UN General 458 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 11: Assembly has laid bare how irrelevant the UN system has become, 459 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 11: not just on these conflicts, but even in response to 460 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 11: the global food crisis, to climate change, to a whole 461 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 11: host of other challenges. So I think it's incumbent upon 462 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 11: the democracies of the world to come up with a 463 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 11: new structure. We need essentially a NATO for democracy. We 464 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 11: need something that's broader than just a North Atlantic alliance, 465 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 11: because that's what the challenges of the world demand today. 466 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,959 Speaker 2: I think you just named your calling, Brett. That's going 467 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 2: to be your next job. 468 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 11: I'll look forward to it. 469 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 2: He's the president of the Global Situation When where I'm 470 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: pretty sure he's got his hands full already, Kaylee. I 471 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 2: could see Brett Ruin leading this Commission for Democracy. It's 472 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: great to have you back. Brett joining us from the 473 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: Global Situation Room as always on Bloomberg Radio. He's not done, 474 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 2: Zelenski continues the rounds today in the Capitol. 475 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, he should be shortly at the White House with 476 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 7: President Biden. 477 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 2: Not doing the whole formal arrival today, they're just sitting 478 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: down to meet. We'll have details on that coming up 479 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 2: as well. I'm Joe Matthew along with Kaylee Lines. Glad 480 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 2: you're with us on Bloomberg Sound On, on the radio 481 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 2: and on YouTube, and of course only on Bloomberg. 482 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound On podcast. Catch us 483 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: live weekdays at one eastern on Bloomberg dot com. The 484 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app and the Bloomberg Business app, or listen on 485 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: demand wherever you get your podcasts. 486 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 2: They've confirmed another in the US Senate nineties six to one. 487 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 2: How about that for General Randy George, the next Army 488 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: Chief of Staff. And you're saying, what happened to the blockade, 489 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 2: Well it's still in place. Senator Tommy Tubberville of Alabama, 490 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 2: still blocking more than three hundred military officer promotions here 491 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 2: in his seemingly never ending objection to the Pentagon's abortion 492 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 2: travel policy. I say another because the big one came 493 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 2: down just a short time ago. Its late yesterday. Actually 494 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 2: see Q Brown, next chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. 495 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 2: Senator Chuck Schumer, the majority leader, made this decision to 496 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 2: bring them to the floor to get around the blockade, 497 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: and spoke about it earlier today. 498 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 4: These men should have already been confirmed. They should already 499 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 4: be serving in their new positions. The Senate should not 500 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 4: have to go through procedural hoops just to please one 501 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 4: brazen and misguided senator. But this is where we are. 502 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 2: Bloomberg caught up with that senator earlier this morning outside 503 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 2: the chamber. Here's Tommy Tuberville. 504 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 10: Problem is, we've been doing this for seven months. We 505 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 10: could have been doing a few a week, but they 506 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 10: refused to do it because they didn't think they were wrong. Well, 507 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 10: they're dead wrong on this, and so the American people 508 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 10: on a controversial set like this, of course need to 509 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 10: have their voice or do their senator in commerce. It 510 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 10: doesn't need to be dictated from the White House with 511 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 10: a memo or the Pentagon. So we have a whole 512 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 10: now still on around three hundred promotions. They need to 513 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 10: be promoted, but that's up to Humor. If he wants 514 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 10: to bring them to the floor, we'll confirm. 515 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 2: Which could take the better part of the rest of 516 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 2: this year. Based at least on what Democrats are suggesting, 517 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: Tubberville seems to think it would move a little bit 518 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 2: quicker than that. Let's reassemble the panel for their take. 519 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 2: John Sidlite's had Trilogy advisors and Lincoln Mitchell political analysts, 520 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 2: lecturer of the School of International Public Affairs at Columbia University. John, This, 521 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 2: I guess is setting some sort of precedent. It's what 522 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer said he didn't want to do and that 523 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 2: he wouldn't do. But the military does now have at 524 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 2: least a top commander in the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. 525 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 2: Is it the right move? 526 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 8: I don't know if it's the right move, Joe. I 527 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 8: think what this truly comes down to is this two 528 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 8: different issues I think at play here. One is obviously 529 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 8: this procedural issue involving abortion right a very, very polarizing 530 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 8: issue in American politics. But clearly Chuck Schumer had the 531 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 8: ability to allow for each nominee to be debated, it 532 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 8: just would have chewed up an enormous amount of time 533 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 8: on the Senate floor. And so Senator Tuberville exploited Senate 534 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 8: rules which give great powers to each senator to hold 535 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 8: up debate to pursue policies that he or she may 536 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 8: wish to, and as he's I think effectively done. He 537 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 8: pointed out the fact that Senator Duckworth had done the 538 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 8: same thing with I think eleven hundred promotions back in 539 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 8: twenty twenty over the issue of Alexander Vindmann. So Tuberville 540 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 8: is exercising the leverage that's available to him on this issue. 541 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 8: But I think there's a larger constitutional issue here that 542 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 8: I think is more important to the American people, and 543 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 8: that is can the executive branch unilaterally change legislation that 544 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 8: affects executive branch policy decisions? So, in this case, a 545 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 8: Defense department allowing for paid travel for service members to 546 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 8: have abortions, and that is something that the Senator and 547 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 8: the House have already voted on in the passion they 548 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 8: prohibit that. So can the executive branch override congressional legislation 549 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 8: without the vote of the people. And I think this 550 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 8: is going to be an important precedent for other very 551 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 8: polarizing issues in the months and years to come. 552 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what Lincoln Turberville says, just bring 553 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 2: that policy to the floor. And it's kind of I 554 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 2: guess it's unknown right now. What would happen you could 555 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: speak to the vote here that just took place, or 556 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 2: these two confirmations. I know that you are not a 557 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 2: fan of the Tuberville blockade, and a lot of lawmakers 558 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 2: get very upset by the way. That's Democrats and Republicans 559 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 2: who believe this is impacting military readiness and that it's 560 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,959 Speaker 2: the wrong way to make a point on this. But 561 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 2: does Chuck Schumer have the votes if he actually brought 562 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: it to the floor to defend that policy. 563 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 12: I think we need to be careful about some of 564 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,479 Speaker 12: the sleight of hand that Tuberville is using here. Abortion 565 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 12: is not a controversial issue. Access to abortion early in 566 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 12: the pregancy is opinion that a majority of the Americans support. 567 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 12: The reason is controversial is because the minority that opposes 568 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 12: that idea is overrepresented in the US Senate and number 569 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 12: of state legislatures and in the Supreme Court. So to 570 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 12: say this is an issue about which Americans, you know, 571 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 12: are are completely polarized, is a bit misleading. And when 572 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 12: we should we should remember that if you were to 573 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 12: go to the floor with this bill, you would have. However, 574 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 12: it was phrased the House voting a long party line 575 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 12: saying you should not be able to travel to get 576 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 12: a portion if you're in the military, and the Senate 577 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 12: saying you should, and then the President, if possible, vetoing 578 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 12: it to you know, depending on how on how the 579 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 12: yes or the nose were phrased. We know that's how 580 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 12: it would go. We know this is now an issue 581 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 12: that is essentially a party line issue. The point to 582 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 12: underscore for Tuberville, and he's right, we could have a 583 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 12: long debate about every single one of these appointees in 584 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 12: the Senate could do nothing else. Uh, you know, for 585 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 12: a party that's happy to shut down the government, maybe 586 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 12: that works. But the point to underscore for Tuberville and 587 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 12: anyone who supports them, is that that the position then 588 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 12: is that the national security United States is less important 589 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 12: than women in the military being able to have reproductive freedom. 590 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 12: And look, that's a policy dispute. Not everyone's going to 591 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 12: see it my way on that. I understand that, but 592 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 12: that is the position. And you know, the legislative pyrotechnics 593 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 12: of Chuck Schumer or Tommy Tuberville, or the military or 594 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 12: the Biden administration has to work around that. But that 595 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 12: is the position that Tuberville is saying. And again he's 596 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 12: entitled to have that position. But you know, this is 597 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 12: from a party that, for as long as I remembered, 598 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 12: lectured me because I wasn't tough enough on national security 599 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 12: and didn't care enough. Well, they don't seem to care 600 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 12: so much either. 601 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 2: Was the issue of military readiness. There's also the matter 602 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 2: of military families John who are in many cases are 603 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 2: living in temporary housing. Their kids didn't start the school 604 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 2: year the way they were supposed to because they thought 605 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 2: they were moving. One of the parents in that house 606 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 2: is not getting an anticipated pay raise because of it. 607 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 2: This is why people are questioning, I guess the morality, 608 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 2: if I can use that term of Tuberville's approach, what 609 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 2: should be said about these military families, just the cost 610 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 2: of being in the military. 611 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 8: Unfortunately, they're caught up in the vise of this debate, 612 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 8: and there's a trade off involved here in every type 613 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 8: of a decision, whether it comes to policy, legislation, or regulation, 614 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 8: and there's never going to be a perfect solution. I mean, 615 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 8: I can't speak for Senator Tuberville as to what the 616 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 8: impact is on these families and to what extent he 617 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 8: is sympathetic to their plight, but he clearly feels strong 618 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 8: enough about this, as do the voters in his state, 619 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 8: and as do the voters in a number of other 620 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,959 Speaker 8: states whose senators may support him, even as there are 621 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 8: those that oppose him. So this is the democratic process. 622 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 8: Sometimes it's ugly, and there are very human consequences to it, 623 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 8: but this is the price that some lawmakers are willing 624 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 8: to pay to achieve their objectives. 625 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: Well, that's clear with Tommy Tuberville. I just wonder if 626 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer just made it less likely for him to 627 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: drop this blockade by putting these votes on the floor. 628 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 2: We will not know, of course, until he makes that decision, 629 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 2: if a decision is made. John, thanks for the time today. 630 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 2: John sidelities at Trilogy Advisors. Lincoln Mitchell stays with us 631 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 2: for some final thoughts. Straight ahead here on the fastest 632 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 2: show in politics. You know they found the wreckage of 633 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 2: that missing F thirty five this week. Now the eyewitnesses 634 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 2: are coming forward. That's next on sound On Only on Bloomberg. 635 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg sound On podcast. Catch the 636 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: program live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg Radio, the 637 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: tune in alf Bloomberg dot Com, and the Bloomberg Business app. 638 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: You can also listen live on Amazon Alexa from our 639 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: flagship New York station, Just say Alexa play Bloomberg eleven thirty. 640 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 2: Were still waiting to learn more about this F thirty 641 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 2: five Stealth Fighter jet that went missing, remember at South 642 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 2: Carolina after the pilot ejected a couple of days ago. 643 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 2: Now we told you they did find wreckage from that 644 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 2: jet in a field that was outside of the area 645 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 2: they were even looking in. So apparently this thing flew 646 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 2: for a minute. Still not sure why it wasn't pinging 647 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 2: anyone or why it was so hard to find. Remember, 648 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 2: they had to actually put out a phone number to 649 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 2: ask for the public's help on this, and eyewitnesses are 650 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 2: now emerging. One woman in Williamsburg County, where the plane 651 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 2: went down, tells NBC News that she and her family 652 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 2: they're out there having a little time in the backyard. 653 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 2: They saw it go almost inverted just before it crashed. 654 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 2: And Randolph White, also from Williamsburg County, he heard the 655 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 2: jet when it was going down right over his house. 656 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 2: He says he was inside shaving and if you ever 657 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 2: imagine what that sounded like, tried to imagine, Well, imagine 658 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 2: no longer. 659 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 1: I heard a screeching, saw that between a screech and 660 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: a whistle. 661 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 2: I said, what in the will of this? Yeah? 662 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 5: And boom in my whole house. 663 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 2: His whole house shook. He says he didn't realize it 664 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 2: was a plane at the time. I thought it was 665 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 2: a media rite. So he didn't call anyone. Lincoln Mitchell, 666 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 2: I don't know how you lose a stealth fighter, but 667 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 2: with men like that, at least we know what they 668 00:34:59,040 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 2: sound like. 669 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 12: That's right, and that's the beauty of radio. I'm not 670 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 12: an expert on military aviation. However, I do recall being 671 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 12: on Bloomberg Radio a few months ago where I was 672 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 12: asked about UFOs. So I'm not saying anything, but maybe 673 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 12: we should try to explore that connection. I don't know 674 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 12: how the military loses an airplane. I'm glad that gentleman 675 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 12: who was shaving. I hope he didn't cut himself or 676 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 12: anything like that. I mean there, obviously, I hope everyone's okay. 677 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 2: I knew I could count on you. Lincoln. I got 678 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 2: to have you as always. Don't be a stranger. Lincoln 679 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 2: Mitchell political analyst. He lectures at the School of International 680 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 2: Public Affairs at Columbia University. And here's a little something 681 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 2: you might not know. Lincoln writes a substack on baseball 682 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 2: and politics, and you got to check it out. It's 683 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 2: called Gobitzing with Lincoln. Of course, how about Randolph White? 684 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 2: Can we do that again? 685 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 11: I heard us screeching. 686 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 8: Between us screech and a whistle. 687 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the sound on podcast. Make sure 688 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 2: to subscribe if you haven't already an Apple Spot five 689 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 2: and anywhere else you get your podcasts, and you can 690 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 2: find us live every weekday from Washington, d C. At 691 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 2: one pm Eastern Time at Bloomberg dot com.