1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Tuesday edition The Trump Show. 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: At an absolute raging climax. I don't even know if 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: this is the climax, the culmination of all of the 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: investigations at least four now. Donald Trump in New York City, 6 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: scheduled to soon make his way to the court in 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: New York City, where he will be fingerprinted, well, where 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: he theoretically will have a mugshot taken, where he will 9 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: enter in a not guilty plea to the thirty plus 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: charges that have been levied against him by New York 11 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: City Attorney Alvin Bragg District Attorney Alvin Brax. So, Buck, 12 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: as we prepare for this, let me just give you 13 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of a rundown of what we've got 14 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: going on. We'll break all of this down for you, 15 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: probably as intelligent, hopefully more intelligent fashion than almost anywhere 16 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: else in media. Our producer Ali is going to be 17 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: calling in from the courthouse. Outside the courthouse, where there 18 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: is pure chaos. There are suggestions that Trump may speak 19 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: Buck before and after his arraignment to the gathered media masses. 20 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: Then he is going to speak, I believe, unless plans 21 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: have changed at eight fifteen Eastern back in mar Lago 22 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: when he returns to Florida. He spent the night at 23 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: Trump Tower in Manhattan. And this is going to be 24 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green currently, I believe speaking and involved in 25 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,639 Speaker 1: a rally. Buck and I both just talked to Ali 26 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: and again she will speak with you from the scene 27 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: at twelve to thirty. We will go to her or 28 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: probably go to her multiple times during the course of 29 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: the program. She said, there are more Trump supporters there 30 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: than there are counter Trump supporters, but the overall, as 31 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: you would well imagine, media contingent is massive, the likes 32 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: of which we have not seen outside of a courthouse 33 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: like this. Maybe I don't think this is crazy, Buck, 34 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: Maybe since the OJ trial, I mean when you think, 35 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: I know, there have been a lot of high profile 36 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: criminal related matters in this country, but nothing has captured 37 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: the United States attention in my opinion since the OJ trial, 38 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: like the Trump Show and the first charges being brought 39 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: against him obviously is going to bring to bear a 40 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: great deal of attention. So that is where we are 41 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: expected in the third hour to officially enter into the courthouse. 42 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: You know, there are times in the history of other 43 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: countries where in retrospect you look back and you say, 44 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: that was a moment when things change, things changed even 45 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: more than people then realized. Yea, And you can see 46 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: it when you have you know, the fullness of time 47 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: has passed and you say, oh, and you know a 48 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: lot of people will look at it is a facinating period. 49 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: The cliche about the crossing of the Rubicon with Julius Caesar. 50 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: If you look at the hundred years leading up to 51 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: that or so in the Roman Republic and the fall 52 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: into dictatorship and all that happened there, there were seminal moments. 53 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: There were points of change. There were times when things 54 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: were done by those in power where all of a sudden, 55 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: something core and foundational in the Roman Republic had changed. 56 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: And this may very well be one of those moments. 57 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: And I don't I don't do the go on radio 58 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: and overstayed and overpromise and say crazy things. That's not 59 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: how I am, that's not how you are, Clay. But 60 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: when you look at what's gone on here, you have 61 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: a it's it's amazing when you align this all up 62 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: a former president. The bigger issue is honestly, even that 63 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: he is a current leading presidential candidate. Right, they keep 64 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: saying that to indict a former president, honestly, indicting a 65 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: former president, that's about pleasantries, that's about good Faif he 66 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: were leaving politics, a former president being indicted, would it 67 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: necessarily be It's still be a big history, be a 68 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: big deal, but it wouldn't be a five alarm fact 69 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: because what we are seeing isn't just the the eradication 70 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: of the notion of we don't want to even seem 71 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: like we're doing this if somebody had been president that 72 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: there's a political targeting going on. This is actively we 73 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: will not relinquish power to your guy. We're going to 74 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: prosecute him during the election cycle. Yes, and you have 75 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: to also put this in the context of Hillary Clinton 76 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: violated clear law with her, and people can argue this 77 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: is they're blue in the face. There is recklessness in 78 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: the statute. If over a hundred top secret emails trans 79 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: you know, transversing the server that she had is not 80 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: a violation of the Espionage Act as it stands. There 81 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: is no violation of the Espionage Act as it stands. 82 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: Comey saved her, but we all know what happened, and 83 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: he wasn't even allowed to do it, but he went forward. 84 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: So you had Hilary clear violation of law running against 85 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. They lie about Trump with Russia collusion, as 86 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: we all know for years, which was honestly the last 87 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: time there was this amount of spectacle in American politics, 88 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: you know, from the Democrats side, certainly, and then you 89 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: add to it that they're effectively trying to nullify the 90 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: will of the American people in the twenty twenty four 91 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: election in advance. And then you get into all the 92 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: other prosecutors who might want to bring a name for 93 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: themselves by bringing because they'll always be able to say. 94 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: You get some lunatic I know he's gone now, but 95 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: at Chesi bu Dan in San Francisco. Larry Krasner is 96 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: still there. In Philadelphia, you know, came a Fox, right, 97 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: a Fox in um Chicago. Right. You get some progressive 98 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: prosecutor who goes, you know what, this Republican upstart in 99 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: my state. I'm gonna send a message. I'm gonna bring 100 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: some totally nonsense charge just to show everybody how devoted 101 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: to the cause I am. Now, does anybody think that's 102 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: not going to happen. Now we have broken through a 103 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: fourth wall here. We have broken through a major understanding 104 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: of how our politics works. I don't know how, honestly, 105 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how we fix it. I don't know 106 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: how this gets fixed. I mean I think maybe you know, 107 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,239 Speaker 1: this turns into a you do ours, we do to yours. 108 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: But that gets really ugly fast too. Yeah. I think 109 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,119 Speaker 1: one way that it could get fixed as if Trump 110 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: won and people looked back on it and said, when 111 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: you do this, it blows up in your face and 112 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: actually works against you, But we don't know what the 113 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: outcome is going to be. Right, in retrospect, you can 114 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: go back and say, oh, well, that was the moment 115 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: where Trump became the favorite clearly to win the Republican nomination. 116 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: I ask you, though, real quick, Clay, if that were 117 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: to happen, if Trump wins, who on the Democrat side 118 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: admits that he's innocent of the charge, or not guilty 119 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: as we call it right, admits that he's not guilty 120 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: publicly and suffers the consequences of this. I mean, is 121 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: there anybody I don't I mean, we talked about this 122 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: a little bit. I don't think there's enough discussion going 123 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: on about what the Democrat reaction would be if Trump won, 124 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: because as as crazy as they were in twenty sixteen, 125 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: they think they killed the monster right there, that Trump 126 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: is the Trump is the troll underneath the bed. He is. 127 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: He is their worst nightmare. If he came back. How 128 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: would they be even able to handle it? I don't know? 129 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: And can I offer you an idea of what I 130 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: think they'll say, because I think you approach this like 131 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,239 Speaker 1: a rational person. You approach this like a person rooted 132 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: in reality. And I think most of the audience now 133 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: is all we're probably thinking that too. This is the 134 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: men can get periods Democrat party. So if Trump wins 135 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: the you know, if Trump gets a not guilty verdict 136 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: out of this, you know what, they'll say, it was rigged. 137 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,679 Speaker 1: They're too scared to actually convict him. The jury felt 138 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: concerned about this case because I don't know. I'm talking 139 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: about if he wins in twenty twenty four. Oh, I'm sorry, 140 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: I thought I won the case. I was like, I 141 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: think this case in particular is such BS that I 142 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: don't even really care about the outcome. I'm saying, though, yes, sorry. 143 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: When you asked what would be the result. I'm saying, 144 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: if he wins the election, after charges are brought against him, 145 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: I think in retrospect people will go back and say 146 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: that was what strengthened Trump and helped to carry the 147 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: day for him. Now, this is from Politico this morning, 148 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: and let me just I think we can't impress upon 149 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: our audience enough. This is truly a day without precedent 150 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: in the two hundred and forty year plus history of 151 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: the United States, we have never seen what we are 152 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: going to see today. But Politico, look, make no mistake 153 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: about what is going on. Democrats are acting in this 154 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: way because they believe that Trump is a poor nominee 155 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: for Republicans in twenty twenty four. Politico has this paragraph 156 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: today that I thought was interesting. Buck Biden advisors are 157 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: confident swing voters are now permanently out of Trump's reach. 158 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: According to four senior advisors in the White House, they 159 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: have this is the question we asked. They have a 160 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: difficult time imagining that a voter who went for Trump 161 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: in sixteen but then left him in twenty twenty would 162 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: return to cast a ballot for the former president. After 163 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: January sixth, several criminal investigations and years of election denial. 164 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: And here's a quote one of those aids, what possibly 165 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: would you like about what Trump has done since election 166 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: Day twenty twenty one? Biden a mused, Now, Buck, this 167 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: to me is something that I think everybody needs to 168 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: keep in the back of their minds as this process 169 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: plays out. Biden wants to go against Trump. Look at 170 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: the way they're conveying that story in twenty twenty that 171 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: quote in particular, that they're trying to get this narrative 172 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: out there. If twenty twenty four is a referendum on 173 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, Democrats lose because Joe Biden has been an 174 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: awful president. The only way Joe Biden wins is if 175 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: this is the question, what would you like about what 176 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: Trump has done since election Day twenty twenty one? Biden 177 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: aid mused, My answer is what I like about what 178 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: Trump has done since twenty twenty is he isn't Joe Biden, right, 179 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: He isn't the biggest disaster president that any of us 180 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: have seen in most of our lives. The problem is 181 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: you're seeing it right now. Buck. Is the Trump Show 182 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: so overwhelming that people don't even care what Joe Biden did? 183 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: And everything in twenty twenty four is just a referendum 184 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: on Trump, even though he isn't the incumbent. There is 185 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: no capacity for Trump exhaustion. In terms of talking about Trump, 186 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: I should say there's no capacity for we need to 187 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: focus on something else from the Democrats, and that means 188 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: they'll go all in on Trump twenty four seven, not 189 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: get tired of it, and they think it is to 190 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: their benefit. On the right, you get people where their turns. 191 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: And when I said the right, really in the center 192 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: actually is what we're talking about. Independence, but you know, 193 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: center right in the middle. You could argue there is 194 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: a Trump fatigue and here is the problem with all 195 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: of this stuff. On the one hand, this is a 196 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: massive consolidation of support on the right behind Donald Trump, 197 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: obviously what's going on right now. On the other hand, 198 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: I think what you could see is the you know, 199 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: the Democrats are able to play once again. What was 200 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: really the primary narrative for Joe Biden in twenty twenty Yeah, 201 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: it was He's not Trump. But what were they saying? 202 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: Things will go back to normal and things haven't been good, 203 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: but the ability to project this as normal and Trump 204 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,239 Speaker 1: and the Trump machine and the Trump circus as abnormal 205 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: to independence, not to people voted for him, like you 206 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 1: and me and this audience too. Independence. That may be 207 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: what the Democrats are are turning this whole game on that, 208 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: Maybe what this is really ultimately all about. Trump represents 209 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: not normal vote, not Joe Biden, vote Democrat. Democrat just 210 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 1: means things kind of muddle along. Yeah. The economy is 211 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: not good. Yeah, the borders a mess. Yes, cities are 212 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 1: a disaster. It's not gonna be crazy though, It's not 213 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: gonna be Russia collusion. And I just think they exhaust 214 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: people with that. Yeah, that's their plan. And I'll give 215 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: you an example of this my own particular life. I 216 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: was out to you know, I had Little League baseball 217 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: all weekend buck, So I was out with one of 218 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: the other dads and he said, his wife, he's a 219 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: Trump guy. He said, his wife refuses to vote for Trump, 220 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: no matter what. Now. She lives here in Tennessee. She's 221 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: a suburban mom. It doesn't matter. She's just over Trump said, Okay, 222 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: would you vote for anybody else, any other Republicans she 223 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: would vote for against Joe Biden. How many people out 224 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: there are like that? That is the question that I 225 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: think lingers as you watch the Trump Show playing out 226 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: right now, and my goodness, it is one hell of 227 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: a show, and we're gonna be riding this show all throughout. 228 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: The show will open up. Phone lines also need to 229 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: dive into. I'm hoping we're going to get some of 230 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: these indictments to actually be able to break down legally 231 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: what's going on. But particular angle that I believe is 232 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: significant is the campaign finance side. 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But that's going to be the 269 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: task here, and they're going to have to find a 270 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: way to prevent the defendant in this case from making 271 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: that job been more difficult. Talking to lawyers over the weekend, 272 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: they were talking about whether there would be a gag 273 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: in this case. I think that's definitely something that could 274 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: very well be on the table. Okay, so CNN couldn't 275 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: be anymore that was a CNN analysis. There can't be 276 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: any more excited about this. They all of a sudden, 277 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: they're all these CNN anchors who they're going to be 278 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: able to make their payments on their Martha's Vineyard summer 279 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: homes and they're Hampton's houses like they're good if Trump 280 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: comes back, the ratings come back, and they know that. 281 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: But here you have an interesting situation, Clay. It's not 282 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: just the decision by Bragg to prosecute. The whole system 283 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: is made a mockery of by this at some level. 284 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: Finding it an impartial jury, you can't even say it 285 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: with a straight face, finding an impartial jury to look 286 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: at Donald Trump on this issue in New York. I mean, 287 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: can you imagine what jury selection is going to be like. 288 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: But what are you gonna do? They're gonna give him 289 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: a different venue. I wonder what would happen if you 290 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: move this trial to you know, a really red part 291 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: of New York State, which there aren't that many of it, 292 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: but there are couple. There's a lot of really red 293 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: parts compared to Manhattan. Right. Well, yes, the idea of 294 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: a gag order, to me, is so laughably absurd that 295 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: you're going to tell a presidential candidate who is being 296 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: charged almost entirely because of politics, with a crime, that 297 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: he's not allowed to publicly discuss the case or defend 298 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: himself in the public arena. Because again, the crime here 299 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: is I believe, relatively inconsequential, but the idea that he 300 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to discuss it it goes directly against 301 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: his ability to campaign. 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Welcome back in 327 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: Clay Travis buck Sexton show, Let's go down outside of 328 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: the courthouse in Manhattan, New York City, where producer Ali 329 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: is there to give us a sense of the scene. 330 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how well she can hear us. Ali, 331 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: what does it look like down there right now? Hey, guys, 332 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: I actually thought I was in the wrong place because 333 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: it is such a diverse crowd of Trump supporters here. 334 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: I was actually shocked. We have blacks for Trump, Asians 335 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: for Trump, used for Trump, gays for Trump. It's definitely 336 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: more Trump supporters here, and there are protesters. I've spotted 337 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: a few that have infiltrated the Trump side, so to speak, 338 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: because they're wearing masks. But it's actually a pretty jared 339 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: say thatstive scene. People are really friendly, They're all supporting 340 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: one another and haven't really seen what they said was 341 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: going to happen. Is not definitely not happening, at least 342 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: not right now. Well, Ali, I'm just wondering on the 343 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: counter protester side, meaning the anti Trump contingent. You know, 344 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: there were some video this morning on Daily Mail of 345 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: a flag people were kind of pulling at, or a 346 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: poster people were pulling at. Are there a lot of 347 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: anti Trump protesters gathered there to harass the pro Trump 348 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: folks or how's that looking. So I got here about 349 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: an hour and a half ago, and just by observing 350 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: how people were interacting, there were definitely people that were 351 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: trying to pick a fight. But they're NYPD, big shout out. 352 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: They have been handling the crowds awesomely and good. They 353 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: have a sense set up. So we have the Trump 354 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: people on one side of the fence and the anti 355 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: Trump people on the other side. By the way, you're 356 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: thinking about the mask, the mask Trump supporters, as we 357 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: all know, are not Trump supporters, so just one point 358 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: them out to others. That is a tiny little group. 359 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: If there are any people who wear masks still that 360 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: are Donald Trump supporters, I think that is virtually non exists. 361 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: A good point by Ali, how many are there more 362 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: media or are there more protesters there right now? Based 363 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: on what you can see, oh, by far more media, 364 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: tons of media, all the big media, a lot of 365 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: independent small media groups, and there's a huge consingency of 366 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: Asian reporters coming out and a lot of like anti CCPs, 367 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: a lot of other pros like don't you know how 368 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: these things go? A lot of other protests spring up 369 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: from what the event is sort of guam on and 370 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot of Asian media here are just saying, 371 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: like against what's going on in China. I'm trying to 372 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: draw attention to that as well. Is there any indication Ali, 373 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: that Trump might come out and address anybody who is 374 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: outside of the outside of the courthouse to people seem 375 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: to expect to see him, because there's also been talk 376 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: that he's going to go in maybe underground backdoor entrance 377 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: to the court. What I'm getting that they are expecting 378 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: him to come out. Whether or not that happens remains 379 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,959 Speaker 1: to be seen. I wouldn't be surprised if maybe they 380 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: avoided doing that, just just due to all the numbers 381 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: of people here. But that's all I've heard. Alan, you 382 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: are killing it for us. We moved back to you 383 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: producer Ali there on the scene. Thank you to Ali. 384 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: Ali has been with she was with Rush for people 385 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: who are not aware for what twenty years years. She's 386 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: been on the show for a long time, working and 387 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: she's the producer. She kills it for us, and she 388 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: is in New York City and she is outside there 389 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: right now. Buck Now, I said I would mention the 390 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: legality on this, because I do think this is important 391 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: and we're still waiting to see the official charges. As 392 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: we talked about yesterday, maybe there's going to be some 393 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: surprise in here, but so far that does not appear 394 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: to be the case. It appears to be the Stormy 395 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: Daniels Karen McDougall payments. Here is my question that I 396 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: have not heard anyone be able to answer. Trump paid 397 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: his own private money to pay off these women. If 398 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: he had used campaign finance funds, that would be a 399 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: clear campaign finance violation. But what is occurring here is 400 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg is saying the way that he paid is 401 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: also a campaign finance violation. So my question out here 402 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: for everybody to think about. And I think this is 403 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: kind of a compelling legal defense that may well register 404 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: even with people who are not diving into the intricacies 405 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: of the legal analysis here. If Trump couldn't play pay 406 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: with campaign finance funds, and he didn't, and they're also 407 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: saying it's a campaign finance violation for Trump to have 408 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: paid his own private money to these women, how could 409 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: Trump have ever paid these women without it being a 410 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: campaign finance violation? And he's damned if he didn't, what 411 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: is the reaction here, because that would seem to restrict 412 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: buck and I think this is big, that would seem 413 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: to restrict his ability to use his own money in 414 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: any way when you claim that it's a campaign finance 415 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: violation in any possible way that he decides to pay 416 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: these women. One issue that this brings up that doesn't 417 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: really get talked about is honestly, how absurd a lot 418 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: of campaign finance law really is, and what an infringement 419 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: on the First Amendment it really is, and how this 420 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: is all you know, campaign finance in the same way 421 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: that the irs is just a bloated mess of rules 422 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: that nobody can really understand. You can the same thing 423 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: is true a campaign finance, correct, And so if you're 424 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: going to this is why it's so important for him 425 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: to see. If you're going to weaponize campaign finance against people, 426 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: you can do this to anyone. Right, this can be done. 427 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: This is very similar to they're going And by the 428 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: way they sent Trump's uh what was it not his 429 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: attorney his accountant? Right that guy alan um I forget 430 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: forgetting his last name Wigelberg or something that's right. Uh, 431 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: you know he's in Rikers Island. He's a senior city. Listen, 432 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: they're saying that he took deductions or something that he 433 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to take for his business. I rs doesn't 434 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: really do that. So they're already showing you this isn't 435 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: just a one off thing. This is the Democrats because 436 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: they're so convinced by their own righteousness and they're so 437 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: blinded by their lust for power, that they will take 438 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: the most obscure, self contradictory, and opaque component of the law. 439 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: Maybe next attacks law, which is which is campaign finance stuff, 440 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: and try to take down a current presidential can I mean, 441 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: we're also think about the this is another part of it, 442 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: the amount clay that we're talking about here. You know, 443 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,479 Speaker 1: look for normal folks out there, you know, if you're 444 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: a school teacher, you're a cop. I mean, one hundred 445 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: and fifty grand whatever, it's a lot of money. I 446 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: get that. For Donald Trump, this is not even when cushions. Yeah, 447 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: this is it's a parking ticket for a billionaire. Basically, 448 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: Remember this is also important. So I want everybody out 449 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: there to just think about this. He paid his own money. 450 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: If he had used campaign finance funds, they would have 451 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: said that's a violation. So he paid his own money. 452 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: They still say it's a violation. Again, this is our 453 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: understanding because we haven't read the official indictment. Probably we'll 454 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: be able to read that indictment, I hope today, and 455 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: discuss it in detail with you tomorrow. But they also 456 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: tried to prosecute John Edwards. The Department of Justice did 457 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: under a similar case, John Edwards paid off a woman 458 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: that he had. He's a paramour, he had a baby 459 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: with her, and he had a donor basically be the 460 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: funds to pay her off. That's actually a more that's 461 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: actually a worse case, considerably so in a sense than 462 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: what Trump did. We use his own money, that's right. 463 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: And the jury refused to convict John Edwards. They actually 464 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: acquitted him on some charges in the Department of Justice 465 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: just said, okay, we're not going to try to follow 466 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: this wine of charges again, which is why I think 467 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: they did not bring into your point what John Edwards 468 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: did was worse than what Trump has done. But the 469 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: underlying idea of hey, I want to avoid someone knowing 470 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: that I had an affair, and it's kind of hard 471 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: to hide a baby. Unfortunately for John Edwards. Not only 472 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: did he have an affair, there's actually a child to 473 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: provide the evidence of the affair. But the jury didn't 474 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: convict there, and so worst behavior by a Democrat the 475 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: Department of Justice failed to get a conviction. Now Alvin 476 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: Bragg is trying to charge Donald Trump for less significant 477 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: wrongdoing that actually, under his own definition, effectively would curtail 478 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: Trump's ability to have ever given these women money at 479 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: all to get an NDA. So I actually think a 480 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: way to consider this because the Democrats have really entered 481 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: when it comes to Trump. There's no question in my mind, 482 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: and there hasn't been for years. They have a totalitarian mindset. 483 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: Anything to get him anything, right, but anything to get 484 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: him anything is justified. Whatever we have to do. We 485 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: are the good guys, they tell themselves in this anti 486 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: Trump drama. No matter what, it doesn't matter. And so 487 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: with that in mind, you know, we're sitting here and 488 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: Clay are going through the legal analysis and I'm talking 489 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 1: about the long term implications for the Republic and all 490 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: this stuff. The point that they're making is we are 491 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: doing this because we can, because the narrative is he's 492 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: so evil it doesn't matter how flimsy the case is, 493 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: and it sends a message that they leaven bring such 494 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: a flimsy case against him. You see what I mean, 495 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: it's all self justified because this is honestly their legal 496 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: argument isn't eat. There really isn't even an argument on 497 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: their side. They're just this is just fabrication. That's why 498 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: I think it's so important to go into the particulars 499 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: and kind of try to explain what they're doing and 500 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: why it is so outlandish to be bringing charges in 501 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: the way the problem is buck this to your point, 502 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: I think it's a good one. On the tax code. 503 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: Federal election law is so complicated and convoluted that sometimes 504 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: it's hard for I would say, regular people. And I 505 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: put myself in this category because I'm always thinking, like, 506 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: how do you explain complex issues legally? Even for somebody 507 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: like me who's a warrior, federal election law and tax 508 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: law can make your eyes roll into the back of 509 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: your head, right You're like, oh my god, this is 510 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: so convoluted, this is so difficult to understand the way 511 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: that for me I classify it is they are basically 512 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: saying Trump could not legally have ever paid either of 513 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: these women anything without it being a campaign finance violated. 514 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: That they've sent him up. It is for you Greek 515 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: mythology fans, Skilla and Charybdis. You like that. Oh, that's super. 516 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: That's even more complicated than than the tax law and 517 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: google that one. Everybody that's I would say, rock in 518 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: a hard place. You can't win in this scenario, right, 519 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: You're damned If you do, you're damned. If you'd can 520 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: I ask you a question? You can come back if 521 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: you want. I'm gonna put this one out there just 522 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: for the notion that this is justice, justice is blind, 523 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: and Bragg is doing a righteous thing. What is supposed 524 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: to come of this from a legal matter, meaning Clay, 525 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: what's the punishment supposed to be? Yeah, no one's even 526 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: talked about that. I mean, I think we can address 527 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: this maybe. And if folks want to call in eight 528 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: hundred two A two two eight two, well, what are 529 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: they really gonna do? They're gonna lock him up for this? 530 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: I think that's a fantastic question. I would also ask 531 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: this question, which we have raised on this show, who's 532 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: the victim? Usually crimes required that somebody has been wronged? 533 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: Who has been wronged? Here? I understand you hate Trump 534 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: if you're Alvin Bragg. The women got their money, they 535 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: violated their NBA. If anything, Trump is the one who 536 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: has been wronged here because he paid hundreds of thousands 537 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: of dollars for their stories not to go public, and 538 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: then they still went public. So arguably Trump is the 539 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: victim here, ironically enough, But who's actually been wronged other 540 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: than Trump is? Yeah? Who is? Like? Who has been 541 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: harmed by this in any way? 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Get thirty five percent 569 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: off your subscription for life when you use my name 570 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: Clay in the checkout process. One more time. Just check 571 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: this out c HQ dot com and use my name 572 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: Clay Clay for thirty five percent off. Heard it on 573 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: the show here. More on the podcast, Clay and Buck podcast, 574 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: Deep Dives, more contents, more common sense. Find the guys 575 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: on the iHeart app or wherever you get your podcasts. 576 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Clay an Buck. It's quite a scene 577 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: right now. They're awaiting departure for the New York City Courthouse. 578 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, this is live. We've got this being covered 579 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: by all the cable news channels. As we talk to you, 580 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: there's still this waiting, waiting game underway. Also hearing from 581 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: not only our own studio, but friends of mine Clay 582 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: in New York City who are listening to the show 583 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: telling me that they're making it. With the helicopters constantly 584 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: doing overhead flights and uh and and the deployment of 585 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: law enforcement of the streets, they're making it seem like 586 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: a foreign army is invading New York City. I mean, 587 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: when you think about this, Trump is going to be 588 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: moving with Secret Service protection, you know, the nypds set 589 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,280 Speaker 1: up around the courthouse. But there's it's an interesting debate 590 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: I think right now as to whether they're just doing 591 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: preparation or whether this is at some level starting to 592 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: feel a little bit like leaving the National Guard and 593 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: the fence up at the Capitol for months, right, no 594 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: one actually thought there was a real threat to the 595 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: Capitol on January twentieth of twenty twenty, but there was 596 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: still National Guard presidence. Nancy Pelosi didn't want to let 597 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: it go. So I don't know. I mean, I think 598 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 1: you could argue both sides of that that maybe it's 599 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: it's or maybe it's a bit of it is just precaution, 600 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: and some of it is the optics of Oh my gosh, Trump, 601 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: it's such a menace coming to New York City. But 602 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: this whole phenomenon is is both remarkable and really disconcerting 603 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,800 Speaker 1: at the same time. It's without precedent. We want to 604 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: open up phone lines by trying to have an intelligent 605 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: discussion here eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two. 606 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: I don't want and let me just say, I don't 607 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: want your opinions, right, there are lots of opinions out there, 608 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: smart questions, smart analysis, things that could lead to us 609 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: being better informed. That's what I'm asking for right now. 610 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: Eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two. Because 611 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: buck two hundred and forty years as an independent country, 612 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: going back to seventeen eighty three, right, we officially signed 613 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: off one in the Revolutionary War. We've never seen what 614 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: is happening today in New York City. A lot of 615 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: time there is hyperbole in the media, certainly where people say, oh, 616 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: this is a blockbuster, this is an unbelievable revelation. Every 617 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: single person who is listening to us right now, no 618 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: American has ever lived through what we are just about 619 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: to see. Can I just say something, I think anyone 620 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: who says they know how it's going to play out 621 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: buck is there is no precedent for this. We just 622 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 1: don't know. Well, you know, we're talking about Hunter Biden 623 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: and alys Teddy Kennedy murdered somebody and they didn't charge him. 624 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: And if you had asked anybody at the time say oh, well, 625 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: you know it was murky circum It wasn't, by the way, 626 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: but it was basically he got a pass because of politics. 627 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: He was a Democrat. Now we have the opposite thing. 628 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: Now we have Democrats prosecuting Republicans, in this case, a 629 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: possible future Republican president after on the most absurd thing imaginable. 630 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,919 Speaker 1: So Democrats get to basically kill people and get away 631 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: with it, and Trump can't write a check to her 632 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: hush money. I don't even think you have to. It's 633 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: a great point. I don't even think you have to 634 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: go back to Kennedy though. I think you just look 635 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 1: at Bill Clinton. It's crazy.