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Speaker 1: Hello Texans, Welcome to the program from the NFL Scouting Combine.

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Speaker 1: Mark Vandermir and John Harris with you as we get

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Speaker 1: it on from Indianapolis. We're here every year and always

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Speaker 1: catch up with interesting guests. A little bit later on,

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Speaker 1: Sal Capaccio, a radio host from Western New York, covers

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, and he's on the sideline for Bill's football.

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Speaker 1: He knows everything about this league. He and Johnny are

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Speaker 1: sideline brothers. And we actually went out to dinner the

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Speaker 1: other night and enjoyed the conversation. You're gonna enjoy this

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Speaker 1: conversation a little bit later on in the program. But

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Speaker 1: let's kick it off with the executive vice president and

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Speaker 1: general manager of your Texans, Nick Cassio, who met with

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Speaker 1: the media today on the side, met with the media

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Speaker 1: at the podium, and of course sat down with us

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Speaker 1: here on radio row at the NFL Scouting Combine. It's

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Speaker 1: Nick Cassio.

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Speaker 2: Nick.

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Speaker 3: How's it going to It's always good to be here

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Speaker 3: with you guys.

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Speaker 1: Great to be with you. Now you've been here a

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Speaker 1: long time, okay, with the Houston Texans before that with

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Speaker 1: another team. So how has what you do here changed

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Speaker 1: or evolved over the years.

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Speaker 4: Nick, Well, it's interesting. I mean, the schedule has been adjusted.

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Speaker 4: I'd say the one thing when I started the interview

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Speaker 4: structure with the players, the quote unquote formal interview process,

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Speaker 4: it was the Wild West. So when I started, I

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Speaker 4: was a runner, so literally in the old train station,

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Speaker 4: as players are walking by, you're grabbing a player bringing.

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Speaker 3: Him into the room.

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Speaker 4: Was it was chaos, right, So when they normalized that

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Speaker 4: and made it more structured, it was helpful to all

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Speaker 4: the other teams. I remember there was a year we

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Speaker 4: probably had literally fifty people coaches, multiple players. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it was it was chaos. And then you're kind of

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Speaker 4: bartering with the other team. Hey, if I take this guy,

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Speaker 4: we'll switch. So there was a negotiating thing in place.

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Speaker 4: So the formal interview process is a lot more organized.

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Speaker 4: So now they've spread it out a little bit multiple

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Speaker 4: So I'd say that's one of probably one of the

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Speaker 4: biggest things over the course of multiple years.

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Speaker 3: Nick.

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Speaker 5: One of the things that Miko said yesterday, we're talking

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Speaker 5: about the end process, and it's the one thing that

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Speaker 5: you know, fans don't get a chance to see. They

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Speaker 5: get to see, you know, the workouts and all that

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Speaker 5: kind of stuff. But he talked about, and I asked

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Speaker 5: them about the interview process. Is how much easier and easier,

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Speaker 5: but how much easier as it been doing this now?

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Speaker 2: Year after year after year? This is the third year

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Speaker 2: you guys have done it. He said.

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Speaker 5: You know, we're all sort of speaking the same language. Now,

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Speaker 5: how important has that been to kind of do that?

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Speaker 5: To speak the same language. You guys are all speaking Spanish,

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Speaker 5: you're all speaking English, but you're also kind of speaking

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Speaker 4: It's critically important we understand what we're looking for from

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Speaker 4: a not only a skill standpoint on the field, but

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Speaker 4: the type of human being that they are that we

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Speaker 4: want to bring in the building. So every player has

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Speaker 4: a story, So we're learning their story and we're trying

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Speaker 4: to figure out that they have the attributes that are

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Speaker 4: necessary in order to have success in our building. So

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Speaker 4: we think we have a decent idea of what that

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Speaker 4: profile of the player look like looks like, So part

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Speaker 4: of our responsibilities to who are those players that have

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Speaker 4: true to form and just make sure that you're making

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Speaker 1: How much do you change up the questions for different players,

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Speaker 1: and how much do you take into consideration, Hey, this

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Speaker 4: For sure, Which is why we try to make it

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Speaker 4: answering a question. If there's a kind of a hot

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Speaker 3: You try to find a way to ask the question.

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Speaker 4: You're trying to get information, you're trying to get a sense,

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Speaker 4: have certain questions that we ask of every player. We'll

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Speaker 1: Where'd you go to college?

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Speaker 3: What was it?

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Speaker 2: Johnson?

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Speaker 1: John Carroll.

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Speaker 5: Hey, we have added a new offensive coordinator that went

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Speaker 5: to John carra develocity.

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Speaker 2: This is crazy. Tell us a little bit about Nick

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Speaker 2: Cayley from your perspective, Nick, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean Nick, his experienced coach. He's been coaching for

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Speaker 4: he was able to oversee a position by himself there

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Speaker 4: coach McVeigh, there'll probably be some things he's gonna build

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Speaker 4: the Houston Texans offense, not an offense that was somewhere else,

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Speaker 4: so that will be the focus. But great great person,

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Speaker 4: great husband, Nick and I stay in contact, you know,

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Speaker 4: throughout the course of you know, his career.

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Speaker 3: Have a lot of respect for him. He's got four girls.

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Speaker 3: His wife just had a baby there the other day.

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Speaker 4: So he's energetic, he's got a lot of juice and

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Speaker 4: you know, a lot of respects. He has some qualities

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Speaker 4: that are similar to Demko's and he's Demico Ryans. There's

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Speaker 4: only one Demiko Ryans and thankfully he's our head coach. Ye, so,

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Speaker 4: but excited to have Nick here. You know, we're just

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Speaker 1: Bat as he builds the Houston Texans offense. How does

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Speaker 1: that affect what kind of players you might draft on

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Speaker 3: That's interesting, Mart.

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Speaker 4: We'll get their feedback and kind of look start with

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Speaker 4: We're okay with the player We're looking for something different

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Speaker 4: when we're evaluating these players, we're just some of the

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Speaker 3: What's the role?

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Speaker 4: So I think the role identification will be important. How

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Speaker 4: the offensive coaches view it the same thing on the

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Speaker 4: defensive side of the all how does de Mico view

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Speaker 4: it match up? Is there a little bit of a gap?

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Speaker 4: All right, let's go figure out a way to kind

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Speaker 4: of fill that gap. So ultimately when the player comes

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we're coming up on a new league year.

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Speaker 2: Legal tampering, although I know you called this ego.

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Speaker 3: Legal tampering there illegal tampering.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's a lot of stuff that goes on.

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Speaker 5: We talked about this, but I love this process of

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Speaker 5: talking with you about the new league year and how

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Speaker 5: the twenty twenty five Texans end up getting built and

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Speaker 5: if you compare it to last year, which I know

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Speaker 5: you don't. You don't look at it that way. Last year,

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Speaker 5: you love our caps face all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 5: You had a vision of what you wanted to go

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Speaker 5: out to do. As you look at this crop of

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Speaker 5: free agency gets starting that process. I know you probably

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Speaker 5: already started it, but how do you kind of work

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Speaker 3: Combat for sure.

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Speaker 4: I mean at some point over the next few where

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Speaker 4: a player's market, where is he gonna fall, and then

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Speaker 4: how do we see the role and then trying to

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Speaker 4: you know you might have to compete for them. But

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Speaker 4: to your point, we're focused on twenty five, so we're

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Speaker 4: trying to put together twenty five Texans. This is the

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Speaker 4: initial starting point kind of the new league year. Yep,

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Speaker 4: this will be an ongoing process. March April, may kind

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Speaker 4: we come back in training camp. There'll probably be some

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Speaker 4: it looks today, there's a good chance it probably look

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Speaker 3: But I mean it's a good opportunity here.

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Speaker 4: You have agents, they kind of have a sense of

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Speaker 4: be able to talk to an agent he might have Okay,

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Speaker 4: at eight to ten players, you're not going to be

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Speaker 4: the market, where's the market, where do you think he's

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Speaker 4: going to situate? And in next week and as you

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Speaker 4: get closer to March tenth or whatever it is, you're

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Speaker 1: Nick hypothetically speaking of course, as far as trade possibilities go.

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Speaker 1: When you're in an environment like this where the other

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Speaker 1: gms are there and you can have face to face conversations,

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Speaker 1: how different and or helpful is that versus I don't

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Speaker 4: The yeah text thing, probably not, but you know he

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Speaker 4: pick up the phone. But if you see a coach

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Speaker 4: It's a quick conversation, honestly, it takes probably two to

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Speaker 4: three minutes and then okay, it's just more information, all right,

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Speaker 4: what do you do with the information. It's not necessarily

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Speaker 4: an actionable item, but it just kind of gives you

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Speaker 4: a reference point. So I'm sure a lot of discussions

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Speaker 3: I mean it's status quo. I mean everybody's kind of

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Speaker 3: doing the same thing. Yeah, and you're just trying.

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Speaker 4: To figure out, like what are your options are relative

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Speaker 4: to whether it's the draft or what's going to be

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Speaker 5: With the combine man we talked about the interview process

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Speaker 5: because we know that's pretty valuable the stuff that we

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Speaker 5: can't see.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything else, Nick, over the.

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Speaker 5: Years that you looked at you know, you used to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, once you get him in the building, you just

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Speaker 5: Nick at the Senior Bowl, I know Demiko is there

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Speaker 5: How much do you want to share with him about

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Speaker 1: So painting the picture of the combine. You walk to

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Speaker 1: I see some equipment for sale and different things catapults

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Speaker 1: discover new things here tech wise, Nick, things on the

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Speaker 3: You don't want it to confuse you.

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Speaker 1: Nick, How does I want to make sure I ask

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Speaker 5: How does the supposed strength as you guys see it

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Speaker 2: Somebody says, I don't know, the centers are tremendous in

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Speaker 5: That impact how you look at free agents and vice versa,

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Speaker 1: All right, reaching in to the memory banks. I know

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Speaker 1: But have there been workouts, maybe one or two over

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Speaker 4: And honestly, what you're finding, Johnny is like not all

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Speaker 4: you might think, Yeah, but you know it's an opportunity

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Speaker 4: to do. I mean, the whole league is sort of available,

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Speaker 4: whether or not there are like that's a different case.

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Speaker 5: And to that end, man Indianapolis as the combined host

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Speaker 5: because you can walk everywhere, everybody's here.

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Speaker 2: Do you like it as a site? Would you like

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Speaker 2: it might have moved?

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Speaker 4: I would say selfishly, like we love I love everything

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Speaker 4: about the combine Indianapolis. They've done a great job for

449
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Speaker 4: a number of years, the infrastructures in place, the logistics flow.

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Speaker 4: I mean a city has embraced it. I mean Jeff

451
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Speaker 4: Foster has done a great job. So I mean there's

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Speaker 4: really no reason to change it other than like you

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Speaker 4: just want to change it.

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Speaker 3: So it's a great spot.

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Speaker 4: You have accessibility, the medical the convention center, the dome,

456
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Speaker 4: like everything is accessible. So I mean not that it

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Speaker 4: matters what I think, but I mean I think we'd

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Speaker 4: be foolish to move the combine just to move it

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Speaker 4: all right.

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Speaker 1: Last one, I'm guessing as a player, you didn't come

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Speaker 1: to the combine.

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Speaker 3: Nick, I was not invited. I worked out, actually so

463
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Speaker 3: I was.

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Speaker 4: I mean I was not a very good player, but

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Speaker 4: they had like the local kind of work out.

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Speaker 3: For the Northeast Ohio Acron universitt Acron. So I ran.

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Speaker 4: I think I ran a forty ran pretty slow. I

468
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Speaker 4: did the drills, the rubber ball, and the last thing

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Speaker 4: I did, I'll never forget it. Chris Palmer was the

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Speaker 4: head coach of the Cleveland Browns at the time, so

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Speaker 4: that's spring. I went and like did a workout after

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Speaker 4: like one of their OTAs. So it was like I

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Speaker 4: remember today is Sonny was a little bit of win.

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Speaker 4: I was nervous as hell. I'm throwing NFL receivers and

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Speaker 4: it was kind of like, all right, this is probably

476
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Speaker 4: like my last go around, Like all right, I'm not

477
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Speaker 4: going to play quarterback in the NFL. I'm gonna go

478
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Speaker 4: get into finance or business whatever I was gonna do.

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Speaker 3: And now here we are.

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Speaker 1: Here we are, Nick, thanks a lot for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Thanks very, We appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: There's our visit with executive vice president and general manager

483
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Speaker 1: Nick Cassario. If you missed any of that. This show

484
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Speaker 1: will be in podcast form soon enough on the Odyssey

485
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Speaker 1: app or wherever you get your podcasts plus on YouTube.

486
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Speaker 1: With the video portion for faces for radio Me and

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Speaker 1: Johnny and Nick Cassario. Hollywood movie star type looks for sure.

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Speaker 1: Sal Capaccio coming up next. He does the sideline for

489
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Speaker 1: the Bills knows everything about the NFL. Let's get into

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Speaker 1: a conversation with him next here on Texans Radio. Back

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Speaker 1: into the fray here at the Indianapolis Convention Center for

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Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine, Mark Vandermere and John Harris with

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Speaker 1: you and we catch up with many guests. We had

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Speaker 1: Nick Cassario on in segment one and you can catch

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Speaker 1: that on the podcast later. Tamiko Rimes was with us

496
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Speaker 1: last night, but many other people who covered the league

497
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Speaker 1: are involved with the league. Greg Cosell will be with

498
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Speaker 1: us tomorrow from NFL Films breaking stuff down right now.

499
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Speaker 1: Sideline reported for the Buffalo Bills. He's really a guy

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Speaker 1: who just knows everybody in this league. Sal Capaccio good

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Speaker 1: friend of Johnny's and we had a chance to visit

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Speaker 1: with him here on the road. Great conversation, Sal, welcome, Thank.

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Speaker 6: You very much. I appreciate it. Great to see you guys.

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Speaker 6: You know you come here from Houston and the sun.

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Speaker 6: I'm in Buffalo through the winter months and I love Buffalo.

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Speaker 7: It's my hometown. I grew up there. Had to get

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Speaker 7: some sunshine. I was on a cruise last week in Mexico.

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Speaker 6: We swim swimming with dolphins, my son's got really holding

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Speaker 6: onto the fins and swimming.

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Speaker 7: Get off the cruise. Come right here to Indianapolis to

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Speaker 7: see you guys.

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Speaker 1: Look like a cruise healthy.

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Speaker 7: He needed the sunshine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and with dolphins, is that a triggering thing if

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Speaker 1: you're with a dolphin. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Actually, the East because the Dolphins.

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Speaker 6: I actually posted a picture and said I met one

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Speaker 6: of Josh Allen's kids.

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Speaker 2: That's true there it is. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Uh, Buffalo Bills. Let's just let's just start here. So

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Speaker 5: incredible season. We won't talk about the game in Houston

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Speaker 5: at all because it was it was Josh's toughest game,

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Speaker 5: was his worst game. So okay, I'll start there. What

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Speaker 5: did Josh learn in that game? And look, I know

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Speaker 5: there were some there were some personnel things because Shakiro.

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Speaker 2: Was out of that game. I get all that.

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Speaker 5: What did Josh kind of learning that game? Because it

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Speaker 5: was after that game it was like he went to

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Speaker 5: a different level.

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Speaker 2: It seemed.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, you know, it's still a little bit

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Speaker 6: early in the season. There were a few things on offense.

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Speaker 6: Remember the Bills went into the season with one wide receiver.

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Speaker 6: Whatever caught a pass from Josh, right, I mean so

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Speaker 6: the first few weeks, we're kind of working out the kinks.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 6: That was maybe the second road game of the year

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Speaker 6: for them. All year, you're in a hostile environment, and

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Speaker 6: I think there were just a lot of chemistry things

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Speaker 6: that they were still trying to work out with the group.

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Speaker 6: And I also think that he kind of reverted back

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Speaker 6: to old Josh Allen, a pressing and not letting the

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Speaker 6: game come to him.

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Speaker 7: Right when you.

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Speaker 6: Saw the best version of Josh Allen this year, it's

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Speaker 6: when he knew, I don't have to make every play,

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Speaker 6: I don't have to be Superman. There were a few

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Speaker 6: plays in that game where I think he felt he

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Speaker 6: had to be Superman to fit it into tight windows

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Speaker 6: and make something happen That wasn't, you know, the way

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Speaker 6: the Bills wanted to win this year, and ultimately it

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Speaker 6: worked out. Aside from that game, most games, Josh won

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Speaker 6: the league MVP because he learned this year more than

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Speaker 6: any year in his career, how to basically manage the

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Speaker 6: game and still have those explosive plays.

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Speaker 1: Did the season surprise you a little bit in that?

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Speaker 1: And I'm guessing not, But in that a lot of

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Speaker 1: people thought, well, this is sort of a rebuilding, not rebuilding,

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Speaker 1: but retooling, resetting year for the Bills because he had

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Speaker 1: to let go of some guys or say goodbye or

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Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, Digs one of them. But

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Speaker 1: how surprised or what was your reaction to the kind

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Speaker 1: of success the Bills did have.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, no doubt, Mark, I'll tell you.

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Speaker 6: Even Brandon Bean told us on WGR during training camp

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Speaker 6: it's a transition year. But he didn't say they were

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Speaker 6: going to be resetting, a retool leader stepping back, but

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Speaker 6: he did say transition. And you wonder what that means, right,

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Speaker 6: They said, we're always going to try to compete, no.

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Speaker 1: Doubt about it.

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Speaker 6: Anything that's right, No, Jordan Poyter, no Micah Hyde, no

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Speaker 6: stef On Diggs, no Gabe Davis, no Mitch Morse. I mean,

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Speaker 6: Siran Neil. The list goes on, right. I mean, that's

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Speaker 6: your leadership core one hundred percent. And that's the biggest

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Speaker 6: thing that changed, you know, the most underrated part. To

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Speaker 6: get to your answer of what really kind of transitioned,

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Speaker 6: Josh Allen had to become the leader of this team.

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Speaker 7: He was not the leader in the sense of he

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Speaker 7: was a captain. He had a c on his chest.

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Speaker 6: But he was not the alpha male leader for the

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Speaker 6: last seven years he was.

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Speaker 7: This year he didn't have to be.

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Speaker 6: He's the guy in the locker room who's joking around,

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Speaker 6: and he can still be that guy.

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Speaker 7: But I think it was.

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Speaker 6: Really implored, Josh, this is your team. Now you have

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Speaker 6: to be the leader. And one thing the Bills did

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Speaker 6: was very interesting. Over Sean mcdermot's ten year, most teams

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Speaker 6: they'd have five six captains. They went to two this year,

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Speaker 6: one on offense, Josh Allen one on defense, to ro

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Speaker 6: Bernard your team, and I think that helped kind of

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Speaker 6: gravitate to where they had this season where it wasn't

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Speaker 6: about these other personalities and what it was Josh Allenstein did.

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Speaker 6: I was I surprise, Mark. Yes, the Bills weren't even

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Speaker 6: the betting line favorite to win the East. The Jets

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Speaker 6: were going into the seasons to believe it edible, right,

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Speaker 6: and yet here they are.

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Speaker 7: Look, the division wasn't good. I get it.

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Speaker 6: But anytime you have Sean McDermott, a great leader as

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Speaker 6: head coach, anytime you have Brandon Bean who knows how

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Speaker 6: to build a roster, and of course every time you

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Speaker 6: have number seventeen.

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Speaker 7: You're gonna compete.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So both of the Texans and the

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Speaker 1: Bills franchises lost to the Chiefs to end the season.

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Speaker 1: Your reaction to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl and

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Speaker 1: what it's gonna take to finally end the reign of

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Speaker 1: terror for good?

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Speaker 6: In the AFC, everyone was so hoping, obviously for Houston

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Speaker 6: to beat Kansas City, and the Texans were right there, right.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's a few plays.

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Speaker 6: The Texans played a better game I thought against Kansas City,

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Speaker 6: and the Bills played against Kansas City. As much as

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Speaker 6: they lost by three points, the Bills let them get

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Speaker 6: out to this lead. The Texans were right there. They

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Speaker 6: did what you have to do. They got to them,

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Speaker 6: They got to Patrick Mahomes. They did everything, and that's

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Speaker 6: to me, that's the key to beating Kansas City Chiefs.

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Speaker 6: And what most teams were able to do this year

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Speaker 6: was disrupt him on the old line. They weren't that great.

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Speaker 6: They were able to get to them. What the Bills

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Speaker 6: couldn't do in that game, get to Patrick Mahomes. It's

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Speaker 6: been the theme over these playoff games. I do think

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Speaker 6: Kansas City's going to go through a bit of a transition.

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Speaker 6: Look at their roster, look at their free agents, look

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Speaker 6: at the patchwork they have to do on the offensive line.

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Speaker 6: They can't fix everything because they got to work on

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Speaker 6: the offensive line and they want to keep Patrick c

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Speaker 6: up right, what's it.

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Speaker 7: Going to take?

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Speaker 6: Honestly, just got to play your best football in that

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Speaker 6: one day. That's what's gonna take. Because the Texans came close,

633
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Speaker 6: they missed a few kicks, turn the ball over the Bills.

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Speaker 6: They came close in the end, the Bills didn't even

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Speaker 6: play a great game and they lost by three points.

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Speaker 2: How much do you play it back in your mind?

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Speaker 5: Though, especially that fourth down where it looks like Josh

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Speaker 5: gets it and he goes How much do you play

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Speaker 5: that game back in your mind? How much do you

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Speaker 5: fans kind of go back over that game, the fact

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Speaker 5: that they were that close to knocking them off in

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Speaker 5: that building, which you've done before, just not in the playoffs.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, to be honest with you, John like,

644
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Speaker 6: it's mostly why didn't they try something different? Fans kept

645
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Speaker 6: going to if the toush push wasn't working, the sneaks

646
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Speaker 6: weren't working, why don't you do something different? And I agree,

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Speaker 6: but there is also the adage. And you coach and

648
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Speaker 6: you know that's your best play, that's your best play.

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Speaker 6: You go with your best play. They've been their best

650
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Speaker 6: play all year, but it wasn't working for them.

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Speaker 7: And I was there.

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Speaker 6: You guys know that field was a little frozen, it

653
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Speaker 6: was a cold day. You couldn't get your best footing.

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Speaker 6: I do replay it. I don't get to the referee

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Speaker 6: stuff as much.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 7: I mean, yes, that's out there, we know that, and

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Speaker 7: he probably did get it.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 7: You got to pick up a first down when you

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Speaker 7: need this much.

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Speaker 1: What about the rest of the division? Salth Capaccio joining

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Speaker 1: US sideline reporter for the Bills and host of What is.

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Speaker 7: The Extra Point Show?

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Speaker 1: And WGR, Thank you WGR and Buffalo. All right, so

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Speaker 1: what about the rest of the division Thoughts, Jets, Dolphins, Patriots.

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Speaker 6: Well, the Jets certainly have to figure out their quarterback position, right.

668
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Speaker 6: We know it's not going to be Aaron Rodgers. I mean,

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Speaker 6: they Tyrod Taylor on the roster right now?

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Speaker 7: Is he actually?

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Speaker 6: I mean we're both familiar with him, right, but I

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Speaker 6: mean I like Tyrod. That's not a path to getting

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Speaker 6: where they want to get to a ly is that

674
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Speaker 6: a bridge. Do they draft someone, do they bring someone

675
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Speaker 6: in free agency? They trade for someone. I do like

676
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Speaker 6: Karon Glenn's personality, but they may have to get out

677
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Speaker 6: of their way of their own ownership in front office

678
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Speaker 6: because what the Jets with the Bills have It seems

679
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Speaker 6: like the Jets haven't figured out yet and other teams haven't.

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Speaker 6: And you've seen this, guys, We've all seen it. If

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Speaker 6: you have a front office, it doesn't allow your GM

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Speaker 6: and the head coach to be them and do their job.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't work in the long run. So I think

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Speaker 6: the Jets are in for a rebuild. They'll have to

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Speaker 6: reset a little bit. They do have a lot of

686
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Speaker 6: talent on defense, but you know, that talent last year

687
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Speaker 6: started to show a little bit that it wasn't you know,

688
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Speaker 6: it was kind of going away a little bit. As

689
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Speaker 6: far as the Dolphins are concerned, I mean, Mike McDaniel's

690
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Speaker 6: a really good, talented offensive mine.

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Speaker 7: I just don't know if he's a great head coach,

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Speaker 7: you know.

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Speaker 6: I mean there's a big difference there, and I think

694
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Speaker 6: that he can really set things up for his offense

695
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Speaker 6: to do well. But again, it's to a Toungue Iola

696
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Speaker 6: the guy and even staying healthy. We saw last year

697
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Speaker 6: they have to reachool it wide receiver. It looks like

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Speaker 6: depending on what happens to Tyreek Kill the Patriots of

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Speaker 6: the team that I think you have to look out

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Speaker 6: for here because of Rabel, not this year necessarily, but

701
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Speaker 6: they'll surprise some teams I think because they'll be structured,

702
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Speaker 6: they'll play sound, fundamental football. They won't beat themselves like

703
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Speaker 6: they did a little bit this year. But they're not

704
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Speaker 6: talented up. They have a lot of work to do

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Speaker 6: on the roster.

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Speaker 5: Obviously the Bills then how a how close are they?

707
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Speaker 5: What do they have to do to get over the hump?

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Speaker 5: I know they're in a draft at some point, but

709
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Speaker 5: what's the cap money look like? What's free agency look like?

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Speaker 5: And at that point, if you can't do much a

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Speaker 5: free agency, then what does the draft look like for you?

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Speaker 2: Guys? Are your priorities?

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Speaker 6: When you say get over the hump? I go for

714
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Speaker 6: back to Mark's question earlier about what it takes. You know,

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Speaker 6: the one thing the Bills have not done in this era,

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Speaker 6: it's been their goal. They haven't had the one seed

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Speaker 6: to get that championship game at home. And remember the

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Speaker 6: top two teams.

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Speaker 7: Used to get to buy.

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Speaker 6: The year they changed is when the Bills got the

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Speaker 6: two seed and they had to play. They didn't get

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Speaker 6: the buy. Getting a buy and staying healthy and then

723
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Speaker 6: only winning one game and going home is a huge.

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Speaker 7: So that's what they have to do get over the hump.

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Speaker 2: And that's the Chiefs have had an advantage of.

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Speaker 6: They're in a much better position capwise this year than

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Speaker 6: last year. They made all those changes last year to

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Speaker 6: help with this year.

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Speaker 7: Actually, it was a lot that was coming down.

730
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Speaker 6: They said, we gotta rip the band aid off now,

731
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Speaker 6: whether that's Diggs, trade, Avious White obviously another guy we'd

732
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Speaker 6: even talked about, hide employer. They're in a much better position.

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Speaker 6: They're still not. They don't have all this great cap money.

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Speaker 6: They've a lot of levers they can pull. They can

735
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Speaker 6: restructure Josh. They'll probably give an extension here at some point.

736
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Speaker 6: Lower's cap number they have. Von Miller's gotta make a

737
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Speaker 6: decision on him. He's due twenty three million dollars. They're

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Speaker 6: gonna have the restructure, will release him. We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 6: They're gonna be able to play a little bit more

740
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Speaker 6: the big name and the big question is listen, guys.

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Speaker 6: A month ago, Brandon Bean sat in front of us

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Speaker 6: and said, yes, we need a defensive game rerecord. But

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Speaker 6: guys like Chris Jones, who was used as an example.

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Speaker 2: By it, they know where you're going.

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Speaker 6: They don't just fall off trees. They don't become available.

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Speaker 6: A week later, Miles Garrett asks for a trade. We're

747
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Speaker 6: gonna hear from Brandon Bean today at two pm.

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Speaker 5: I wrote an article about that. What team's made sense

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Speaker 5: for Miles Garrett? And I look, because you guys got

750
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Speaker 5: a little bit extra draft capital tea.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I came the trade with it with the Houston Texans.

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Speaker 7: It's the Vikings right.

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Speaker 5: Right right, So you guys have got additional second round picks,

754
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Speaker 5: you've got the draft capital. I wasn't sure about your money,

755
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Speaker 5: but I'm like, man, they've that's something they've they've lacked.

756
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Speaker 5: And then this morning I see the Eagles are in

757
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Speaker 5: on Miles Garrett could potentially be in because the Commanders

758
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Speaker 5: can be in and I'm like, oh no, but if

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Speaker 5: you have the Browns, I mean you're gonna go through

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Speaker 5: this Deshaun Watson trade, which is a disaster. And now

761
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Speaker 5: you're gonna trade the face of the franchis now. I

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Speaker 5: know he's got a fortune in your hand in a sense.

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Speaker 5: But Andrew Berry man, holy smoke.

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Speaker 6: Three names that keep coming up in Buffalo Bill circles

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Speaker 6: that fans and media are talking about Miles Garrett, Max Crosby,

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Speaker 6: and Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 7: Wow, and those are the three names.

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Speaker 6: And I'm telling you, like I I get it, like

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Speaker 6: it's it's we live in a fantasy football world GM.

770
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Speaker 6: All these people want to make all these big trades

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Speaker 6: and swings. I really believe the Bills are gonna try

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Speaker 6: to make a swing.

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Speaker 2: Well, it makes sense because you guys are that close. Yah,

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Speaker 2: you guys are that close.

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Speaker 5: Like if the if the you know, Jets came and said, hey,

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Speaker 5: you know, come to New York. Like there's so much

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Speaker 5: so you don't know about what's gonna happen with the Jets,

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Speaker 5: but you look at Buffalo and go, man, they got

779
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Speaker 5: really close.

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Speaker 2: Who they got Josh Allen?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I think I could be.

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Speaker 7: Here's the question I have.

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Speaker 6: Do you think that the Browns will do right by

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Speaker 6: Miles Garrett if they get an offer of a team

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Speaker 6: that's not as close and he goes I don't really

787
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Speaker 6: want to go there, but they're like, this is the

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Speaker 6: best offer because he doesn't have to say or do

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Speaker 6: they say, Okay, Miles.

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Speaker 7: You don't want to go there.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a wink situation. Yeah, it's a wink wing.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that happens with a player of that stature,

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Speaker 1: Sal Capaccio joining us Bill's sideline reporter so we can

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Speaker 1: share in this. Isn't it great to have a quarterback?

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Speaker 1: It's so nice because look at all the teams that don't.

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Speaker 1: So what do you say to people who say, how

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Speaker 1: do you find one? How do you get a quarterback?

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Speaker 1: There's so many teams that are still looking, still wanting,

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Speaker 1: desirous of finding that starting franchise quarterback, a guy can

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Speaker 1: really be effective for them and get them to the

802
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Speaker 1: postseason and deep into the postseason. What do you say

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Speaker 1: to teams like that?

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Speaker 6: You know what I learned, and this is through seventeen

805
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Speaker 6: years of wandering the wilderness and quarterback purgatory and having

806
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Speaker 6: no one and going through all those guys like you

807
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Speaker 6: guys have you had for many years? And I think

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Speaker 6: you saw this obviously with year one of CJ. If

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Speaker 6: you have the right plan of development and people to

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Speaker 6: bring the quarterback along. That's the key thing. Look look

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Speaker 6: at Sam Donald outside of New York. Look at Baker

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Speaker 6: Mayfield outside of Cleveland. I've always said this, if Josh

813
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Speaker 6: Allen got drafted by the Jets, he wouldn't be Josh Allen.

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Speaker 6: He'd be Okay, he wouldn't be Josh Allen. If Sam

815
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Speaker 6: Donald got drafted by the Bills, he might not be

816
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Speaker 6: the league MVP. He'd be damn good, I think though,

817
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Speaker 6: And I think he'd be a quarterback. You could rely

818
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Speaker 6: on structure, plan and the right people in place matter.

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Speaker 6: Josh Allen went to the perfect place with Brandon Bean,

820
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Speaker 6: Sean McDermott and Brian Dable who had a plan of

821
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Speaker 6: vision and they did it right.

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Speaker 1: And the guy who works with the in the off

823
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Speaker 1: season is it Chris Reid.

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Speaker 7: What's this Palmer?

825
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Speaker 6: It's a uh oh and Chriss. Oh yeah, but he

826
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Speaker 6: also works with Jordan Palmer. That's right, okay, but he

827
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Speaker 6: does Chriss. That's the video guy. That's the guy who

828
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Speaker 6: does all the mapping and all the stuff they do.

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Speaker 6: And I look at Stroud the same thing. Look at CJ.

830
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Speaker 6: Stroud had a lot of tools, but he had to

831
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Speaker 6: be developed, and they had a coach and obviously, and

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Speaker 6: obviously I know that Bobby's no no longer there, but

833
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Speaker 6: they had a group that brought him along the right

834
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Speaker 6: way the first year, right, And I think that's the

835
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Speaker 6: key the Bills what they did in the Josh Allen draft.

836
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Speaker 6: They drafted for traits. You know what they said, And

837
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Speaker 6: this is I think a good lesson to a lot

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Speaker 6: of teams. That's not always gonna work out. If you

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Speaker 6: draft a guy. If you're gonna draft a quarterback or

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Speaker 6: to be a franchise quarterback, drafted guy with the highest

841
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Speaker 6: ceiling there might be the biggest risk, but you're gonna

842
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Speaker 6: have the biggest reward. Why draft the guy just with

843
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Speaker 6: the highest floor, because how where's that gonna take?

844
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Speaker 7: You take the guy with the highest ceiling.

845
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Speaker 5: But also I think with Josh to the lesson in

846
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Speaker 5: with Josh, and I bring in Chris Hesket gets into this.

847
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Speaker 5: There's an NFL Films Presents which I'm sure you guys watched,

848
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Speaker 5: and it was about Josh changing yes physiologically, how he

849
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Speaker 5: threw the football.

850
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Speaker 2: For a guy to be drafted.

851
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Speaker 5: That high, for a guy to have that ceiling but yet, no,

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Speaker 5: I'm not getting to that ceiling unless I put in

853
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 5: this work right now. A lot of quarterbacks that get

854
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Speaker 5: in that situation and they're the number four picking a

855
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Speaker 5: draft and like, I'm an.

856
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Speaker 2: Easy street, I'm good, I got this. They didn't drafted me.

857
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Speaker 5: Josh put in the work to be that good and

858
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 5: to make those changes in his mechanics. When by the

859
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 5: time you get to the NFL, your mechanics already said

860
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Speaker 5: your mechanics, how you throw the fall. You weren't going

861
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Speaker 5: to change the way Philip rivers through the football. But

862
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Speaker 5: here's Josh changing the way that he's through the football

863
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Speaker 5: so he could be a better quarterback and be more

864
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Speaker 5: healthy and be better for his team. And you also,

865
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Speaker 5: the other thing that we always talk about that none

866
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Speaker 5: of us can ever see is Josh had it.

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Speaker 2: He had the intangibles.

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Speaker 5: And I'm convinced that quarterbacks that have gone through adversity,

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Speaker 5: Josh couldn't get a.

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Speaker 7: Scholarship, dude want to They wouldn't even they wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Even talk to him.

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Speaker 5: He's writ in the coaches like, Hey, I'm Josh Allen.

873
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Speaker 5: Here's my huddle tape. Take a look.

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Speaker 2: Please tell me you know that I got an opportunity.

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Speaker 5: He's spent through adversity, and I think that makes a

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Speaker 5: quarterback that CJ wasn't handed everything.

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Speaker 2: No, CG got the last in fight to lead eleven.

878
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: He's on a quarterback when.

879
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 6: He's FiOS State quarterbacks never work out and all right,

880
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 6: come on, he didn't even.

881
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: Committed to Ohio State at that point.

882
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it was ridiculous.

883
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 7: He didn't even have an offer.

884
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 5: I know he's probably gonna go to Utah and he

885
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 5: ends up going to lead eleven. Trod Johnson's his quarterback, coach,

886
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 5: his coach to his team. He's the fourth quarterback. There's

887
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 5: Rice Young, there's Drew Pine, there's one of the quarterback,

888
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 5: and then there's low Leo.

889
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,959
Speaker 2: CJ got the last invite to lead eleven. He fought

890
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: through all of that.

891
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 5: What he's been I'm convinced that quarterbacks have a high

892
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 5: ceiling that at some point have to have gone through

893
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 5: some adversity.

894
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 7: No doubt, and I don't ever get there. I'm a

895
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 7: big j Strout fan.

896
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 6: I'll tell you why a second history and Josh Allen

897
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 6: real quick, there's a the Bills are playing a game.

898
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 6: I think maybe the Titans and there's a throw right,

899
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 6: I mean right at the sideline. I mean who right,

900
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 6: Ray Davis or Ty Johnson catches the tiptoes and Josh

901
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 6: made this just dime throw. It's unbelievable, right in front

902
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 6: of me on the sideline, right. You know when you

903
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 6: see you know, when you see that, you're like this special.

904
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 6: I went up to Josh after the game, We're in

905
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 6: the locker room. I go, hey, that throw. I mean

906
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 6: like like my jaw dropped, and he looked at me

907
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 6: and he goes, found something mechanical this week.

908
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 7: I had to fix this week.

909
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 6: He's this week this week, right, he said, because I

910
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 6: was just feeling it and I found something mechanical and yeah,

911
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 6: that helping on that play. So anyway, I'm a big SJ.

912
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 6: Stroud fan. I really love the kid. Our color analystic

913
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 6: would do you guys know? Yeah, yeah, you know he's

914
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 6: been he snapped to a lot of quarterbacks and he

915
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 6: has said many times, c J. Stroud sounds like and

916
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 6: looks like a fifteen year veteran. I mean the way

917
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 6: the kid talks, the way the kid present. And that's

918
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 6: high praise coming from Eric Wood who said this, And

919
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 6: I think that that you guys are in great hands obviously.

920
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 6: You know, we'll see obviously from the outside looking in,

921
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 6: how the new coordinator works out for him and making

922
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 6: a changing young quarterback with a changeing coordinator. Josh shouldn't

923
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 6: have to go through that his first three years he

924
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 6: had Brian Dable, right, whereas these a lot of these

925
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 6: guys did. But you know, we'll see it. But I

926
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 6: think CJ's got the mental capacity to be able to

927
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 6: absorb that and hit the ground running with somebody new.

928
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: All right, pole, question this week, what do you think

929
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: dynamic kickoff if they moved the touch back to the

930
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: thirty five and fourth and twenty instead of on side kick.

931
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 6: I've always been for fourth and twenty over on side

932
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 6: kick because on side kick you can't do anything with anymore.

933
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 6: Give an opportunity, give me an exciting way to get

934
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 6: the ball back. I want a chance for the team

935
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 6: that's trailing to get the ball back. You can't really

936
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 6: with onside kicks anymore. I think to the thirty five,

937
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 6: I mean, to me, it seems like it's a little

938
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 6: far out, but man, the thirty didn't work. Towards the

939
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 6: end of the year. Everybody was booting it through the

940
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 6: end zone. Can we get to the thirty three maybe?

941
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 7: I don't know. Is there a compromise you might have

942
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 7: to go?

943
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 6: The other one we're really looking at is the toush push,

944
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 6: because here are the Bills who do this as good

945
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 6: as anybody, like the Eagles.

946
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 7: I know what happened in the championship game.

947
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 6: But yet Sean McDermott on the Competition Committee said yesterday

948
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 6: to us he doesn't love the play.

949
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 7: He thinks it was inherent injury risk for the quarterback.

950
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 7: And I think that's interesting.

951
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 6: And Sean's removing himself from head coach of the Bills yep,

952
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 6: and he's saying, I'm a steward of the game with

953
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 6: the Competition Committee and I don't love that play, and

954
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 6: I think that's interesting.

955
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: Wow, have you gotten any injuries as a result of

956
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: that play? To your knowledge?

957
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 6: Josh hurt himself right before halftime of the championship game,

958
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 6: went to the side like shaking out his hand, and

959
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 6: I do think it impacted him a little bit as

960
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 6: a game went on, but he's such a tough guy.

961
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 6: And he did say they had it looked at, but

962
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 6: there was nothing yeah after that, but.

963
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: It could just hurt you know, and maybe a few

964
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: days later it's better.

965
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 5: It's just we've we have such PTSD from quarterback sneaks

966
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 5: in the past.

967
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: You know that down in Tampa we've lost if you.

968
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 7: Lost a receiver for a quarterback sneak.

969
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,479
Speaker 1: Wasn't that what happened a kind of a running play

970
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: tanked out a.

971
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 6: Couple of years ago. You know what's gonna happen. And

972
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 6: someone told me this yesterday, and that's a great point,

973
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 6: he said. Unfortunately, what's gonna have to happen is someone

974
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 6: big is going to have to get hurt on one

975
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 6: of these plays. Yeah, that's when they'll make a change.

976
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 6: Because the sentiment I got from talking I'm all about

977
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 6: the rules stuff.

978
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 7: I love getting into this stuff.

979
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 6: The sentiment I got from talking to people who've been

980
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 6: in that room are Look, a lot of people don't

981
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 6: like it. Esthetically don't like it. Perception is not good.

982
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 6: But you can't ban something just because you don't like it.

983
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 6: I have to have the injury data to back up.

984
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 5: That's the only way saying, that's the only way it

985
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 5: gets out is if the injury data proves that's correct,

986
00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,479
Speaker 5: that this this has.

987
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 2: Been And that's why the dynamic kickoff came in.

988
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: That's right.

989
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 5: No concussions on kickoffs and all that kind of stuff.

990
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 5: That's the only way that then gets overturned. If you

991
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 5: can somehow say, hey, the data says this. But you

992
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 5: could tell the Chiefs are trying something different when they

993
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 5: were like Chris Jones just turned his body is like

994
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 5: turned almost to the sideline.

995
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 7: I mean, I mean it was.

996
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: It was bizarre to see the different ways that they did.

997
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 6: I asked Connor McGovern the Bill Center and Osirius Torrence.

998
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: They do that against you guys? That was that? How

999
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: they know?

1000
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 6: What he said though, these guys said what they did

1001
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 6: was they do with their legs and tied up their

1002
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 6: legs so they couldn't push.

1003
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 7: So Josh now has a pile. That's how. That's how.

1004
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 6: That's what happened. There was so much mum, everything was

1005
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 6: mashed up in there, but with the legs.

1006
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 5: Thinking about Josh, like I remember a fourth and one

1007
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 5: against us back in twenty one, it looked like it

1008
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 5: was gonna be touch push and then he like then

1009
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 5: ran outside.

1010
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 7: And never did that against the Chiefs.

1011
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, but that would that would have been good.

1012
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: That would have been good at at at a full back,

1013
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: running back and pitch it did you.

1014
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 6: Guys know, when's the last time he saw Patrick Mahomes

1015
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 6: sneak the ball? You know, the last time I saw him?

1016
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 6: Maybe when it was three years ago at the goal

1017
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 6: line he hurt his ankle. They haven't done it since.

1018
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: Well, he got his knee hurt against the Broncos one.

1019
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 7: Hey, that's what it was. Yes, they have not done

1020
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 7: it since.

1021
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: I mean he that was like he is like three weeks.

1022
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, that interesting and they've had a little bit of

1023
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: success last I checked South. Thanks a lot for joining us.

1024
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 7: We have if you've got it, guys, anytime, love it?

1025
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: All right, there's our friend Sal Capaccio from the Buffalo

1026
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: Bill's sideline reporter and covers the league for Western New

1027
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: York's WGR. Anyway, let's get to some other stuff as

1028
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: Johnny and I talk about a hot prospect for the Texans,

1029
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: maybe not that hot because he's too hot. He might

1030
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: be gone by pick number twenty five? Will he won't he?

1031
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: I put his picture on Twitter today, meaning x let's

1032
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: talk about him next here on Texans All Access all right.

1033
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: Final thoughts here on Texans All Access tonight. On what's

1034
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: been another banner program from the NFL Scouting Combine with

1035
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: Nick Cassario and Sal Capaccio, And all of this will

1036
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: be available via podcast soon enough on the Odyssey app

1037
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: or wherever you get podcasts. So check it out there

1038
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: in the Nick Casario video. If it's not up on

1039
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: YouTube yet, it will be soon enough for you to

1040
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: check out there. Johnny Harris, this so far has been

1041
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: very active. We've gotten a lot of interviews. We all

1042
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: saw Kenneth Grant today. We did defensive lineman.

1043
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 5: Three hundred and thirty two pounds and probably not gonna

1044
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 5: be there twenty five. I think we've come to that

1045
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 5: realization today.

1046
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah you told me that, and I was kind of

1047
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: bummed about that, but I guess I have to live

1048
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: with it. I put his picture on Twitter. He was

1049
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: up there at the podium just so gregarious. I use

1050
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: the word, and I mentioned in my vanderblog this is

1051
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: not a football word, but he was delightful. He was

1052
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: He was delightful. But he looks like a hell of

1053
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: a player. And I got to think that that's a

1054
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: workout you're looking forward to. And this combine is buzzing.

1055
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: This thing is bigger than ever, and we talked to

1056
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: Nick about it. He doesn't want to move it. I

1057
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: don't think it's ever gonna move, but I think things

1058
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: are moving right along as we get into the workouts.

1059
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, the workouts obviously a lot of talking being done

1060
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 5: by the gms and the head coaches.

1061
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: We had Demiko and Nick. That was fun. That was great.

1062
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 5: Players started talking and you know, Kenneth Grant something was

1063
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 5: going on. He was supposed to be there at ten twenty,

1064
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 5: and so I did my text Eggs interview.

1065
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: It came out.

1066
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, I miss Kenneth Grant. And then

1067
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 5: I see all these people and I'm like, I walked

1068
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 5: up to somebody and say, hey, what's going on.

1069
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, Kenneth Grant missed this thing. He's going

1070
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: to be out here.

1071
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 5: There was a throng, like a quarterback level throng around

1072
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 5: and I thought, man, this is incredible. And then he

1073
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 5: starts talking and I know you do the same thing.

1074
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: Mark.

1075
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 5: When I listened to some of these interviews, I'm like,

1076
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 5: is that guy swarm worthy?

1077
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 2: Is that a Demico guy?

1078
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 5: Like he told us the other day, Like Dimko said,

1079
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 5: you know, is this you know Scout's right, is this

1080
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 5: a Demico guy? And I remember thinking, this guy's a

1081
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 5: Demico guy, and there's no way in hell he's getting

1082
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 5: at twenty five. I talked to Paul Allen from the

1083
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 5: Vikings and he said, what can we do at twenty four?

1084
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 5: One pick in front of us to really ruin your

1085
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 5: evening on round one? And I was like, draft Kennth Grant,

1086
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 5: Like you draft Kenneth Grant one spot ahead of a

1087
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 5: I will cry on a draft show and I will

1088
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 5: send you a text with all the bad words you being,

1089
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 5: you know with the Vikings. But I don't think Kenth

1090
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 5: Krant is going to sniff twenty five.

1091
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: All right?

1092
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: What about big themes that you're sensing here? From all

1093
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: the conversations you've had from people, does anything stand out

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00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: whether it be AFC South, the Texans, or another team

1095
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: or the league at large? What stands out to you?

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00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 5: I think it's the search for maybe not the Eagles model,

1097
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 5: but search for the trenches. Okay, I mean just talking

1098
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 5: to everybody, like, oh, inter your offensive line. Defensive line

1099
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 5: is talking to Jeff Jonyyik from the Bears, and he

1100
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 5: was asking me about that they're looking for into your

1101
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 5: offensive line they're looking for defensive line help to go

1102
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 5: with what they've got Tennessee, Tennessee, same thing. Talking to

1103
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 5: coach again, it's about that. It feels like that's more

1104
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 5: theme than anything else across the board, like the big

1105
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 5: the Eagles set.

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00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: A trand night. Look, we know how those things go.

1107
00:42:58,640 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: It's cyclical.

1108
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 5: But if you think you've got enough, you're just probably

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00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 5: a player short.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You almost have to feel like you have too much

1112
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: to know.

1113
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 5: Okay, we've got enough now, And even the Eagles are

1114
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 5: gonna they're gonna lose Josh Sweat more likely in free agency.

1115
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 5: They're probably gonna lose Milton Williams probably in free agency.

1116
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 5: So they're gonna be on the lookout. But this is

1117
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 5: such a good draft. And of course the defense tackles

1118
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 5: were the ones. The defensive line were the ones talking today.

1119
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 5: So they were front center, and so obviously they're you know,

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00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 5: front center in the brain.

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00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: But I got a.

1122
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 5: Feeling that these dudes are gonna test so well, it's

1123
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 5: the run of defensive tackles is gonna just gotta we

1124
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 5: gotta be in that mix. And so you know, as

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Speaker 5: I talk to Jeff, it's one of those situations you

1126
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 5: balance out. There are not as many interio offensive linean

1127
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 5: this draft.

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00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 2: They're just aren't. There's that that number is mini school.

1129
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 5: But there are two dozen defensive tackles you could take

1130
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 5: ye on you know, day one, day two. So do

1131
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 5: you draft the best interior offensive lineman and take defense

1132
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 5: tackle four, five or six because you can get a

1133
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 5: defense tackle later in the draft. Those are the things

1134
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 5: that the Texans are all gonna have to work out.

1135
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 5: But just going around the table talking to different people

1136
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 5: from different teams, man, they are talking about defensive linement

1137
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 5: all day every day.

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Speaker 1: One thing I notice is not too many people notice

1139
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: when you sign a new coordinator. A lot of people

1140
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: were saying and they knew Slowik was gone, but yeah,

1141
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: hey who's the new guy?

1142
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 3: Who is this?

1143
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: And I'm just talking about people around the league, not

1144
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: those who are totally plugged in as national pundits, et cetera,

1145
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: but people who cover their team devotedly, but maybe not

1146
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: necessarily your team.

1147
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1148
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 5: I think sometimes you know, cover your own team, you

1149
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 5: kind of get lost in the in the bubble. Yeah

1150
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 5: we're in it and everybody else has following us, and

1151
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 5: it's not quite like that. But you know, there are

1152
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 5: plenty of good NFL people out there that knew about

1153
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 5: Nick Keley and new would nobody's bringing to the situation.

1154
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I think we can get lost

1155
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: in our.

1156
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 5: Own Texans bubble sometimes and you know, not pay attention

1157
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 5: to everything that's going on.

1158
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: But you and I we follow the NFL like we

1159
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 2: follow it. Well, we're different. You and me are different,

1160
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: of course. I mean that's what we do. I mean,

1161
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: that's what we're supposed to do.

1162
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 5: But yeah, there's some that just, hey, I cover the

1163
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 5: Bengals and that's what I do. So I mean I

1164
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 5: get it. I get it sometimes. But to me, the

1165
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 5: people that I love talking to are the ones that

1166
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 5: I know anything I bring up you're gonna be able to.

1167
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 2: Have some sort of educated answer. Those are the people

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Speaker 2: I love talking to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I find it really interesting. AFC South themes you

1170
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: have the new regime, the brat Pack, and Jacksonville you

1171
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: have Tennessee new GM So front off is people changing.

1172
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Speaker 1: As far as broadcasting, Baselli becomes executive vice president Football

1173
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: Ops for the Jags. He leaves the radio booth there

1174
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: for three man booth, so we'll see how that works out.

1175
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: And a new voice is being searched for in Nashville,

1176
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: as Mike Keith is with the Tennessee Volunteers. This is

1177
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: stuff that a lot of people don't care about, but

1178
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: we follow it anyway because that's what we do, and

1179
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: we'll follow Greg Cosell tomorrow. He's gonna join us on

1180
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: the program coming up before the end of the week.

1181
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: Greg Jordan Reid of ESPN. He's a draft guru, not

1182
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: as good as Johnny, but he's very good. And other

1183
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: voices and people who cover this league. Again, this show

1184
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: with Nick Cassario will be in podcast for him soon,

1185
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: so check it out wherever you get your podcasts. Area

1186
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Speaker 1: forty five is coming up next. Have a great night,

1187
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Speaker 1: Go Texans.