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Speaker 1: School of Humans. Hello, Welcome to Cadaver Gals, the podcast

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Speaker 1: where we talk about all the ways people have died

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Speaker 1: to cope with our own mortality. In case you're wondering,

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Speaker 1: Nika is not afraid of ourself. I am not, or

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Speaker 1: I am You're not afraid of yourself? Because, yeah, because

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Speaker 1: I make the ring sound really well, but I've never

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Speaker 1: watched the ring. If I watched the ring, I would

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Speaker 1: be scared of myself. And I don't want to, you know,

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Speaker 1: accuse of plagiarism. But I've been doing that sound since

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Speaker 1: I was a little girl, So I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: feel like there's some rights that we have to go through.

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Speaker 1: Maybe there's some money that I can sue for. We'll

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Speaker 1: figure it out. Maybe what was wrong with you as

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Speaker 1: a baby that you're making that sound? Nothing. I just

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Speaker 1: like playing with my vocal courts. Do you want to

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Speaker 1: hear it? Yeah? I guess you have to do it now. Okay.

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Speaker 1: It also really works because I have long black hair

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Speaker 1: right now, and when I come out of the show

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Speaker 1: where I do it to my partner and they laugh

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Speaker 1: because they don't they like horror movies. Okay, listen, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's so good, So that's craty good. All right. So

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Speaker 1: by now you should know I am Taylor your host,

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Speaker 1: along with Nika who did a scary sound, and Gabby.

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Speaker 1: Uh that was good. Um. So today we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about how famous cowboys die and deathly treasure hunts.

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Speaker 1: Today's trigger warnings are gunshots, gunfights, drowning, hanging, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Give the musical, okay, as usual, we did our own

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Speaker 1: versions of the music ourselves from our mouths. Um. So

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and dive right into these cowboys. Gabby, Okay,

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Speaker 1: well I wouldn't. He's I guess he's a cowboy. He

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Speaker 1: is they a wild West sort of dude, cowboy adjacent.

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Speaker 1: He's cowboy adjacent. I would like to dive into a cowboy,

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Speaker 1: mean a cowboy. I see a horse. But in the South,

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes they don't say uses. So but okay,

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Speaker 1: save a hor ride a cowboy. Okay. So we're going

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Speaker 1: to July eighteen seventy six, and this is when wild

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Speaker 1: Bill Hiccock rode his horse into Deadwood. Yeah yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: watch that TV show recently and that's why I'm doing

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Speaker 1: this story. But Deadwood was a gold miner town where

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Speaker 1: a few years prior to eighteen seventy six, a bunch

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Speaker 1: So it was kind of like a hodgepodge of Ruffian's outlaws,

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Speaker 1: saloon runners, loose ladies and gents, and people of all

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Speaker 1: sorts looking to drink, gamble, bang and find some gold

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Speaker 1: some loose ladies. Also, I hate the word a crick

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Speaker 1: Is that triggering for you to say crick? No, it's fine.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Great group of people, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So it was truly a lawless place because it wasn't

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Speaker 1: And so wild Bill Hiccock he's one of the most

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Speaker 1: He was like a gun slinger, a gambler. He would

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Speaker 1: he had tried to do like a show that was

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Speaker 1: at it. Though. An interesting thing about him was that

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Speaker 1: the Scout, being a true and exact history of all

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Speaker 1: the combats and hair breadth Escapes of the most famous

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Speaker 1: But then Calamity Jane kind of she she claimed that

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Speaker 1: So mostly wild Bill seemed to go to Deadwood, you know,

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Speaker 1: neat Dude Yonder. Yeah. And then when wild Bill rolled

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Speaker 1: having my back to the door. Yeah. Why you know,

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Speaker 1: if someone's going to shoot you, you you want to see it,

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Speaker 1: you know, look into their eyes. Taylor, do you get

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Speaker 1: into a lot of shootouts or Okay? That No? What

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Speaker 1: why was that even a question? No? Because look, people

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Speaker 1: the door. I can't. I have to be sad a

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Speaker 1: particular way. Anyway, Gabby, keep going, we're learning about your neuroses.

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Speaker 1: You maybe you're the wild Bill reincarnate because Taylor, I

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Speaker 1: that he was trying to do that, and he's like, no,

421
00:23:50,005 --> 00:23:52,885
Speaker 1: don't do that. That's ridiculous. So he was like, okay, fine,

422
00:23:52,925 --> 00:23:57,285
Speaker 1: I'll stay. So when he was ten, he stabbed his

423
00:23:57,405 --> 00:24:01,605
Speaker 1: first victim. Oh what okay wait? Whoaa? That just like

424
00:24:02,205 --> 00:24:05,445
Speaker 1: quick They didn't die quick change? Yeah, oh okay, they did.

425
00:24:06,365 --> 00:24:09,565
Speaker 1: They lived, but you know, he was like, still had

426
00:24:09,605 --> 00:24:13,605
Speaker 1: that thirst, right, So his first murder was at the

427
00:24:13,605 --> 00:24:16,645
Speaker 1: age of fifteen. He got into a fight with someone,

428
00:24:17,925 --> 00:24:20,765
Speaker 1: left to go get a gun, came back shot him.

429
00:24:21,845 --> 00:24:25,245
Speaker 1: So he was just like he liked murdering. He knew

430
00:24:25,245 --> 00:24:28,885
Speaker 1: it from a young age. So fast forward, Harding goes

431
00:24:28,885 --> 00:24:32,125
Speaker 1: on a killing spreak. He kills a bunch of Union soldiers.

432
00:24:32,365 --> 00:24:34,805
Speaker 1: Mind you, this is post Civil War. So after that,

433
00:24:35,085 --> 00:24:37,725
Speaker 1: and he said that the people that he killed quote

434
00:24:38,005 --> 00:24:42,365
Speaker 1: needed to be killed. Oh no. And also side note,

435
00:24:42,605 --> 00:24:47,085
Speaker 1: when he wasn't murdering people, he was a Sunday school teacher.

436
00:24:48,685 --> 00:24:53,525
Speaker 1: Oh if that doesn't just paint a perfect picture, I

437
00:24:53,565 --> 00:24:57,685
Speaker 1: don't know what does a perfect picture of a serial

438
00:24:57,925 --> 00:25:03,165
Speaker 1: killer who loves Jesus yep. So I'll just go through

439
00:25:03,205 --> 00:25:05,405
Speaker 1: some of the people that he killed and why and whatnot.

440
00:25:05,765 --> 00:25:07,485
Speaker 1: One of the most famous of the ones that he

441
00:25:07,565 --> 00:25:09,885
Speaker 1: killed was he killed him because he was snoring in

442
00:25:09,925 --> 00:25:12,605
Speaker 1: the next room and he didn't like that. So you know,

443
00:25:12,685 --> 00:25:15,285
Speaker 1: snoring's annoying, so he was like, okay, I'm gonna kill

444
00:25:15,325 --> 00:25:19,445
Speaker 1: you m right as you were mentioning Gabby. There was

445
00:25:19,485 --> 00:25:21,485
Speaker 1: a lot of card games going on and gambling. He

446
00:25:21,605 --> 00:25:24,205
Speaker 1: killed a couple of people over some card games. So

447
00:25:24,285 --> 00:25:28,445
Speaker 1: Harden was like moving around with this lady and the boyfriend.

448
00:25:29,565 --> 00:25:32,085
Speaker 1: This boyfriend caught him, so he was like, oh, I

449
00:25:32,085 --> 00:25:36,205
Speaker 1: guess I'll kill him now too. So then at one point,

450
00:25:36,645 --> 00:25:39,525
Speaker 1: he also kills a bunch of lawmen. So he's like,

451
00:25:39,605 --> 00:25:41,605
Speaker 1: m I've done some really bad stuff, so I'm gonna

452
00:25:41,605 --> 00:25:44,605
Speaker 1: go on the run. So that is when he meets

453
00:25:44,605 --> 00:25:48,805
Speaker 1: wild Bill. So in eighteen seventy one, Harden meets wild

454
00:25:48,845 --> 00:25:51,365
Speaker 1: Bill at this bar and kids is called the Bull's

455
00:25:51,405 --> 00:25:55,445
Speaker 1: Head Tavern. Bill was a town marshal and so the

456
00:25:55,485 --> 00:25:58,005
Speaker 1: bar owners they were like advertising their bar with this.

457
00:25:58,205 --> 00:26:00,525
Speaker 1: They had this painting on the outside and it was

458
00:26:00,565 --> 00:26:04,845
Speaker 1: a bull with a giant erection. Oh, and a lot

459
00:26:04,885 --> 00:26:07,605
Speaker 1: of the city sens were like, that's too much. We

460
00:26:07,645 --> 00:26:09,525
Speaker 1: don't like that, and so they're like, Bill, can you

461
00:26:09,565 --> 00:26:12,045
Speaker 1: do something about it? And so he like tried to

462
00:26:12,085 --> 00:26:14,885
Speaker 1: get the bar owners to fix it, and they wouldn't

463
00:26:14,885 --> 00:26:17,285
Speaker 1: do it. They were like, no, this is great advertising,

464
00:26:17,325 --> 00:26:19,885
Speaker 1: and he was and Bill was like no. So Bill

465
00:26:20,285 --> 00:26:22,045
Speaker 1: was like, I'll just fix it myself, and so he

466
00:26:22,125 --> 00:26:24,725
Speaker 1: painted it and fixed it. People are always trying to

467
00:26:24,725 --> 00:26:27,685
Speaker 1: censor art, that's all I'm saying. Yeah, well he was

468
00:26:27,725 --> 00:26:32,285
Speaker 1: an art censor, a wild Bill. Wild Bill so conservative. Yeah.

469
00:26:32,365 --> 00:26:35,485
Speaker 1: So Harden was a regular at this bar and the

470
00:26:35,645 --> 00:26:38,605
Speaker 1: owners were mad at Bill for painting over the bulls.

471
00:26:38,645 --> 00:26:41,725
Speaker 1: So they were like talking Harden, trying to get him

472
00:26:41,765 --> 00:26:46,405
Speaker 1: to kill Bill. But Harden was like, no, wild Bill

473
00:26:46,565 --> 00:26:48,765
Speaker 1: is a good dude, and like, I respect him, so

474
00:26:48,845 --> 00:26:52,005
Speaker 1: I'm not going to kill him. And quote, if Bill

475
00:26:52,165 --> 00:26:56,325
Speaker 1: needs killing, why don't you just kill him yourself? So

476
00:26:56,765 --> 00:27:00,525
Speaker 1: wild Bill like almost got killed. I mean that's true though,

477
00:27:00,565 --> 00:27:03,045
Speaker 1: that makes sense, Like, you know, if you're complaining so

478
00:27:03,125 --> 00:27:09,805
Speaker 1: much about someone, you do it lazy paint over the paint, like,

479
00:27:10,885 --> 00:27:13,765
Speaker 1: h you know, there's different ways to fix this. Yeah,

480
00:27:13,845 --> 00:27:16,525
Speaker 1: I guess he just thought it was really good advertisement

481
00:27:16,645 --> 00:27:20,365
Speaker 1: of bull with an erection. Anyway, So I don't know

482
00:27:20,405 --> 00:27:24,365
Speaker 1: whose side I'm on in this. You know, it's confusing,

483
00:27:24,405 --> 00:27:28,605
Speaker 1: it's hard, just like the bulls big yep. So remember

484
00:27:29,245 --> 00:27:32,725
Speaker 1: Harden was he was on the run, and wild Bill

485
00:27:33,045 --> 00:27:36,965
Speaker 1: was a marshal, so he had to use a pseudonym,

486
00:27:37,165 --> 00:27:40,165
Speaker 1: so he was referred to as Clements or really little Arkansas,

487
00:27:40,245 --> 00:27:41,685
Speaker 1: is why I think what he was referred to by

488
00:27:41,765 --> 00:27:45,885
Speaker 1: wild Bill. The way that they met though, was so

489
00:27:46,085 --> 00:27:50,125
Speaker 1: they were at that bar and Harden had some hat

490
00:27:50,205 --> 00:27:53,325
Speaker 1: was open carrying, which you're not supposed to do, and

491
00:27:53,445 --> 00:27:55,925
Speaker 1: so he was so wild Bill was like, hey, dude,

492
00:27:55,925 --> 00:27:57,805
Speaker 1: like give me, give me your guns, like you're not

493
00:27:57,845 --> 00:28:01,205
Speaker 1: supposed to have those, and so he goes okay, and

494
00:28:01,325 --> 00:28:03,805
Speaker 1: he holds up his guns like butt first to hand

495
00:28:03,845 --> 00:28:06,845
Speaker 1: them over, and as Wild Bill goes to grab them,

496
00:28:06,885 --> 00:28:10,365
Speaker 1: he does a little ring a dang dang and slings

497
00:28:10,405 --> 00:28:12,725
Speaker 1: them around and points to the guns in his face

498
00:28:13,285 --> 00:28:18,565
Speaker 1: and what happened. So then not saying he was like, hah, jokes, jokes, jokes,

499
00:28:18,805 --> 00:28:23,365
Speaker 1: you can have them whatever, it's fine. So apparently Bill

500
00:28:23,525 --> 00:28:27,485
Speaker 1: was like that was really impressive. I'm quite the gunslinger myself,

501
00:28:27,685 --> 00:28:31,205
Speaker 1: so like, I'm really impressed by you. But again, this

502
00:28:31,285 --> 00:28:34,245
Speaker 1: is coming from Harden's autobiography that he wrote. You know,

503
00:28:34,645 --> 00:28:37,285
Speaker 1: so do we really think Bill did that. We don't know,

504
00:28:37,645 --> 00:28:39,365
Speaker 1: because like it seems kind of weird that Bill would

505
00:28:39,405 --> 00:28:40,725
Speaker 1: want to hang out with him after he was just

506
00:28:40,805 --> 00:28:42,805
Speaker 1: embarrassed in front of all these people at the bar.

507
00:28:42,925 --> 00:28:48,005
Speaker 1: But I digress that that's just funny that he's like, cool, trick, dude,

508
00:28:48,125 --> 00:28:52,165
Speaker 1: I'm a gunslinger. Two Like oh yeah, so he's like exactly.

509
00:28:52,925 --> 00:28:55,725
Speaker 1: So anyway, they begin hanging out, they go drinking, they

510
00:28:55,765 --> 00:28:58,685
Speaker 1: play you know, their game Blink to get their chasing

511
00:28:58,845 --> 00:29:03,725
Speaker 1: women together, all of those fun things that one does

512
00:29:04,005 --> 00:29:08,125
Speaker 1: with your buds with your buds. But eventually Harden, you know,

513
00:29:08,245 --> 00:29:11,085
Speaker 1: he's on the run, so he leaves, he stops hanging

514
00:29:11,085 --> 00:29:13,445
Speaker 1: out with wild Bill, and he's like goes and starts

515
00:29:13,525 --> 00:29:18,005
Speaker 1: killing more people. And eventually Harden's like, oh, I've I've

516
00:29:18,085 --> 00:29:20,605
Speaker 1: killed a lot of lawmen, so you know, I think

517
00:29:20,645 --> 00:29:22,205
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna get caught, so I might as well

518
00:29:22,245 --> 00:29:26,565
Speaker 1: turn my celf in. So he goes to jail, but

519
00:29:26,605 --> 00:29:28,445
Speaker 1: then he needs to be transferred to this other jail

520
00:29:28,485 --> 00:29:30,405
Speaker 1: at some point, and so he was like, m you

521
00:29:30,405 --> 00:29:32,365
Speaker 1: know what, I don't like jail. Jail's not fun. So

522
00:29:32,605 --> 00:29:34,845
Speaker 1: he kills the two people that were transferring him, gets

523
00:29:34,845 --> 00:29:36,645
Speaker 1: on their horse, and then like runs away. He's on

524
00:29:36,685 --> 00:29:39,165
Speaker 1: the loose again. So then he tries to kind of

525
00:29:39,165 --> 00:29:42,205
Speaker 1: like settle down. He gets married, he has three kids,

526
00:29:42,565 --> 00:29:46,245
Speaker 1: he's raising cattle. Things seem to be calming down. But

527
00:29:46,285 --> 00:29:48,365
Speaker 1: then he was like, no, I'm like still a murderer

528
00:29:48,365 --> 00:29:50,485
Speaker 1: and I like killing people. It sounds like he was

529
00:29:50,565 --> 00:29:53,885
Speaker 1: just looking for purpose, you know, like I think he

530
00:29:53,885 --> 00:29:56,525
Speaker 1: would have thrived in our day and age, you know,

531
00:29:56,565 --> 00:30:00,285
Speaker 1: because you have more career options. But back then, you know,

532
00:30:00,365 --> 00:30:02,485
Speaker 1: career options were very limited, and I guess he didn't

533
00:30:02,485 --> 00:30:06,885
Speaker 1: like raising cattle, but jail people. The people he killed

534
00:30:07,085 --> 00:30:10,085
Speaker 1: needed to be killed, he said, So he thought he

535
00:30:10,125 --> 00:30:13,445
Speaker 1: was doing like the lord's work. I guess him in

536
00:30:13,525 --> 00:30:17,285
Speaker 1: Columbus lots of common yeah. Yeah. Also I shouldn't be

537
00:30:17,285 --> 00:30:19,365
Speaker 1: defending him because he was problematic as fuck, So now

538
00:30:19,445 --> 00:30:23,845
Speaker 1: he was awful. So he eventually he gets caught in Florida,

539
00:30:23,965 --> 00:30:26,565
Speaker 1: gets transferred back to Texas and he's only charged with

540
00:30:26,605 --> 00:30:29,645
Speaker 1: one murder, which was for Deputy Sheriff Webb, and is

541
00:30:29,765 --> 00:30:33,365
Speaker 1: sentenced to only twenty five years. And then while he

542
00:30:33,445 --> 00:30:36,405
Speaker 1: was in jail, that's when he wrote his autobiography. And

543
00:30:36,445 --> 00:30:40,405
Speaker 1: then after sixteen years he was pardoned and released from

544
00:30:40,405 --> 00:30:45,605
Speaker 1: president Is he roaming our streets now? So it's a skeleton,

545
00:30:46,365 --> 00:30:50,045
Speaker 1: so no, So what happens is he's he's back out

546
00:30:50,085 --> 00:30:52,045
Speaker 1: in the world, and I bet you guess what he

547
00:30:52,485 --> 00:30:54,645
Speaker 1: What he does is he gets into more arguments and

548
00:30:54,685 --> 00:30:58,845
Speaker 1: more fights with people, where eventually he meets his end

549
00:30:59,285 --> 00:31:04,405
Speaker 1: and he too dies by whom by who I don't

550
00:31:04,165 --> 00:31:06,005
Speaker 1: I didn't write down his name. There were so many

551
00:31:06,245 --> 00:31:08,885
Speaker 1: like it's some but it's like some gunfight. It was

552
00:31:08,925 --> 00:31:13,765
Speaker 1: a gunfight, Okay, so you mentioned that Gabby that Bill

553
00:31:14,285 --> 00:31:16,445
Speaker 1: claimed to have killed over one hundred people, but then

554
00:31:16,525 --> 00:31:18,245
Speaker 1: really it was only six or something. Is that right?

555
00:31:19,525 --> 00:31:26,285
Speaker 1: So Harden only claimed to have killed over forty, but

556
00:31:26,325 --> 00:31:28,605
Speaker 1: they were able to account for like twenty six of

557
00:31:28,645 --> 00:31:31,005
Speaker 1: those murders or twenty six people. So he's killed at

558
00:31:31,085 --> 00:31:34,925
Speaker 1: least twenty six people but claimed to have killed like forty,

559
00:31:35,045 --> 00:31:40,365
Speaker 1: So he was quite The gun slinger was white. The dude,

560
00:31:41,005 --> 00:31:46,405
Speaker 1: he was a jerk. We hate him. He's canceled. I like,

561
00:31:46,565 --> 00:31:49,725
Speaker 1: wild Bill Moore? What aged? What age did this guy die?

562
00:31:49,885 --> 00:31:51,405
Speaker 1: He was like he must have been unto like his

563
00:31:51,445 --> 00:31:54,725
Speaker 1: fifties at that point, I think. So it's like grow up, dude,

564
00:31:54,765 --> 00:31:57,405
Speaker 1: like you had your little wild moment, you got pardoned

565
00:31:57,405 --> 00:31:59,165
Speaker 1: from jail, and you're just gonna go, you know what.

566
00:31:59,445 --> 00:32:03,285
Speaker 1: That's the cyclical nature of trauma. He had some problems,

567
00:32:03,405 --> 00:32:05,885
Speaker 1: and honestly, it's just a cycle repeating itself. And I

568
00:32:05,925 --> 00:32:08,565
Speaker 1: worry about his children. What did his children do? Where

569
00:32:08,565 --> 00:32:11,285
Speaker 1: are they now? You know? It's just dead? Yeah, well

570
00:32:11,485 --> 00:32:17,125
Speaker 1: okay most likely unless and then same same deal, so

571
00:32:17,485 --> 00:32:21,605
Speaker 1: they they now there. There's been back and forth um

572
00:32:22,205 --> 00:32:25,365
Speaker 1: suits about where his body should be. So they were

573
00:32:25,405 --> 00:32:28,245
Speaker 1: like hey, let's dig him up. And then I think

574
00:32:28,245 --> 00:32:30,965
Speaker 1: he's an El Paso and they're like, oh, like his

575
00:32:31,125 --> 00:32:33,405
Speaker 1: ancestors or whatever. We're like, oh, we want him somewhere else,

576
00:32:33,445 --> 00:32:35,765
Speaker 1: and they were like, no, this is a really great

577
00:32:35,885 --> 00:32:39,765
Speaker 1: tourist attraction. Well that we can all only hope that

578
00:32:39,845 --> 00:32:44,285
Speaker 1: one day we become a tourist attraction literally our bodies.

579
00:32:44,445 --> 00:32:47,205
Speaker 1: Oh wait, that's a good that's actually a good segue

580
00:32:47,245 --> 00:32:54,325
Speaker 1: into my story. It was just a speaking of treasures, Nika. Oh,

581
00:32:54,365 --> 00:32:57,245
Speaker 1: because his body was a treasure buried. But don't dig

582
00:32:57,285 --> 00:32:59,685
Speaker 1: that one up. Don't dig that one up. Ha ha

583
00:32:59,885 --> 00:33:04,045
Speaker 1: ha ha. Yes, I do have a story about treasure

584
00:33:04,605 --> 00:33:10,125
Speaker 1: and out avoiding tourist attractions actually rather than becoming one.

585
00:33:10,685 --> 00:33:15,725
Speaker 1: So you know, super great transition. Okay, here we go, Taylor.

586
00:33:15,805 --> 00:33:19,365
Speaker 1: Do you want me to do my story? Yeah? Okay,

587
00:33:19,805 --> 00:33:22,125
Speaker 1: I like I need to feel like I'm needed by

588
00:33:22,165 --> 00:33:24,525
Speaker 1: you guys, or else I will shrivel into ka. So

589
00:33:24,725 --> 00:33:28,445
Speaker 1: I just I cannot wait. I'm so unbelievably excited to

590
00:33:28,485 --> 00:33:34,445
Speaker 1: hear your story. I'm so thank you. Okay, thank you. Okay.

591
00:33:34,525 --> 00:33:39,005
Speaker 1: So we are traveling to the Rocky Mountains, Yes, that

592
00:33:39,165 --> 00:33:42,725
Speaker 1: massive mountain range in the United States that has gazers

593
00:33:42,845 --> 00:33:48,845
Speaker 1: and lakes and great hiking and treasure question mark, great

594
00:33:48,845 --> 00:33:52,205
Speaker 1: opening statement by Nica. Okay, that's right. Yes, we're going

595
00:33:52,445 --> 00:33:57,525
Speaker 1: on a treasure hunt. So yes, So let's meet this man.

596
00:33:58,365 --> 00:34:01,325
Speaker 1: His name was Forest Fen, and he was this eccentric,

597
00:34:01,445 --> 00:34:03,805
Speaker 1: kind of quirky art dealer who made a lot of

598
00:34:03,805 --> 00:34:07,965
Speaker 1: money selling Native American artifacts and other sculptures, paintings, etc.

599
00:34:08,325 --> 00:34:11,125
Speaker 1: Now I don't have to remind y'all how problematic that is,

600
00:34:11,765 --> 00:34:15,325
Speaker 1: because obviously the Native American artifacts were not technically his.

601
00:34:15,485 --> 00:34:17,445
Speaker 1: But you know, we already know that, so let's keep

602
00:34:17,485 --> 00:34:20,405
Speaker 1: it moving. So he was this rich millionaire. He had

603
00:34:20,445 --> 00:34:23,725
Speaker 1: his gallery, actually many galleries that were called Fen Galleries.

604
00:34:23,765 --> 00:34:28,005
Speaker 1: And then in nineteen eighty eight he was diagnosed with cancer.

605
00:34:28,085 --> 00:34:30,285
Speaker 1: And at that point he was around he was in

606
00:34:30,325 --> 00:34:35,445
Speaker 1: his seventies, and his doctors were like, this is probably terminal,

607
00:34:35,565 --> 00:34:38,045
Speaker 1: and so he's like, I have to think about my life.

608
00:34:38,085 --> 00:34:40,525
Speaker 1: I have to think about my legacy, you know, really

609
00:34:40,645 --> 00:34:43,925
Speaker 1: serious deep questions going on in his brain. And the

610
00:34:43,965 --> 00:34:47,525
Speaker 1: first thing that he thinks is, okay, clearly, this means

611
00:34:47,565 --> 00:34:50,645
Speaker 1: I need to bury a twelfth century bronze box filled

612
00:34:50,645 --> 00:34:54,805
Speaker 1: with twenty two pounds of literal treasure like gold coins

613
00:34:54,805 --> 00:34:57,405
Speaker 1: and jewelry and gemstones and that sort of thing. That's

614
00:34:57,445 --> 00:35:02,525
Speaker 1: exactly what I would do if natural natural inclination, I mean,

615
00:35:02,645 --> 00:35:06,245
Speaker 1: of course, And the treasure was valued around two million dollars.

616
00:35:06,645 --> 00:35:10,965
Speaker 1: So he decides to do this and then doesn't bury

617
00:35:11,005 --> 00:35:13,645
Speaker 1: it just yet. He focuses on recovery and actually ends

618
00:35:13,725 --> 00:35:17,485
Speaker 1: up getting better. So he recovered from his illness, and

619
00:35:17,565 --> 00:35:21,005
Speaker 1: he publishes a memoir titled The Thrill of the Chase

620
00:35:21,125 --> 00:35:24,805
Speaker 1: in twenty ten, and that same year he hides his

621
00:35:24,965 --> 00:35:28,085
Speaker 1: treasure and then leaves clues in his memoir, and there

622
00:35:28,205 --> 00:35:32,245
Speaker 1: is throughout the memoir entirely there's like clues, and it

623
00:35:32,285 --> 00:35:34,085
Speaker 1: also talks about his life and it just helps you

624
00:35:34,165 --> 00:35:37,005
Speaker 1: get into his head. But there's a specific poem with

625
00:35:37,205 --> 00:35:41,605
Speaker 1: nine sentences that supposedly will guide anyone to the treasure.

626
00:35:41,885 --> 00:35:44,205
Speaker 1: Do we get to hear it? Oh? Yeah, I can. Actually,

627
00:35:44,245 --> 00:35:47,285
Speaker 1: I'll do it now. Okay, here we go, are y'all ready?

628
00:35:48,725 --> 00:35:51,765
Speaker 1: As I have gone alone in there, and with my

629
00:35:51,845 --> 00:35:55,365
Speaker 1: treasure's bold, I can keep my secret where and hint

630
00:35:55,405 --> 00:35:58,925
Speaker 1: of riches new and old begin at where warm waters

631
00:35:58,965 --> 00:36:01,845
Speaker 1: halt and take it in the canyon down, not far

632
00:36:02,085 --> 00:36:05,325
Speaker 1: but too far to walk. Put in below the home

633
00:36:05,485 --> 00:36:08,485
Speaker 1: of Brown. From there, it's no place for the meek.

634
00:36:08,805 --> 00:36:11,525
Speaker 1: The end is ever drawing nigh. There will be no

635
00:36:11,605 --> 00:36:15,125
Speaker 1: paddle up your creek, just heavy loads and water high.

636
00:36:15,205 --> 00:36:18,205
Speaker 1: If you've been wise and found the blaze, look quickly

637
00:36:18,245 --> 00:36:22,285
Speaker 1: down your quest to sees, but terry scant with marvel gaze.

638
00:36:22,565 --> 00:36:25,725
Speaker 1: Just take the chest and go in peace. So why

639
00:36:25,885 --> 00:36:27,925
Speaker 1: is it that I must go and leave my trop

640
00:36:28,085 --> 00:36:30,525
Speaker 1: for all to seek the ends where I already know.

641
00:36:30,765 --> 00:36:33,525
Speaker 1: I've done it tired and now I'm weak. So hear

642
00:36:33,565 --> 00:36:36,285
Speaker 1: me all and listen good. Your effort will be worth

643
00:36:36,405 --> 00:36:38,605
Speaker 1: the cold. If you are brave and in the wood,

644
00:36:38,685 --> 00:36:41,565
Speaker 1: I give you title to the gold. I know where

645
00:36:41,565 --> 00:36:45,685
Speaker 1: it is where I'm not going to tell you, Oh

646
00:36:45,725 --> 00:36:50,685
Speaker 1: my gosh. Okay, Well, anyway, if we were in an island,

647
00:36:50,765 --> 00:36:52,805
Speaker 1: just the three of us, I feel like Gabby would

648
00:36:52,845 --> 00:36:57,485
Speaker 1: eat us anyway. No she doesn't, Yes she would. Okay,

649
00:36:57,605 --> 00:37:01,365
Speaker 1: so you are on an island once together we were

650
00:37:01,765 --> 00:37:08,365
Speaker 1: both got eaten. Oh my god, because that explain the

651
00:37:08,405 --> 00:37:13,485
Speaker 1: weird scar on my back. Okay, maybe so he you

652
00:37:13,525 --> 00:37:17,845
Speaker 1: know this poem obviously super cryptic, weird hints like beginning

653
00:37:17,885 --> 00:37:21,285
Speaker 1: where warm waters halt, like what, and it becomes a

654
00:37:21,445 --> 00:37:26,565
Speaker 1: literal international sensation. How the fuck did three hundred and

655
00:37:26,645 --> 00:37:29,805
Speaker 1: fifty thousand people actively try to look for this treasure

656
00:37:29,965 --> 00:37:33,525
Speaker 1: with these cryptic as clues. I don't know, but they did.

657
00:37:33,605 --> 00:37:38,005
Speaker 1: People became obsessed. Like one man was so maddened by

658
00:37:38,045 --> 00:37:41,485
Speaker 1: the hunt that he actually broke into forest Fen's house

659
00:37:41,765 --> 00:37:44,805
Speaker 1: and started hauling away a Spanish treasure chest that he

660
00:37:44,885 --> 00:37:47,365
Speaker 1: thought was the chest, like the actual chest from the poem,

661
00:37:47,645 --> 00:37:50,445
Speaker 1: but in reality it was just one of forests many

662
00:37:50,525 --> 00:37:53,245
Speaker 1: ancient chests that he collected. Because again, this man was

663
00:37:53,325 --> 00:37:56,005
Speaker 1: very rich, and the man who broke in was held

664
00:37:56,045 --> 00:37:59,245
Speaker 1: at gunpoint and arrested. So people, you know, became very

665
00:37:59,285 --> 00:38:04,965
Speaker 1: obsessive about it, and some even die. Oh no, Also

666
00:38:05,045 --> 00:38:06,845
Speaker 1: that's done if he broke into his house, because like,

667
00:38:06,845 --> 00:38:09,645
Speaker 1: why would you put the treasure in your own house? Also,

668
00:38:09,805 --> 00:38:14,805
Speaker 1: it sounds like there's like rivers and forestry, you know,

669
00:38:14,885 --> 00:38:16,885
Speaker 1: I feel like there's not it's not going to be

670
00:38:16,925 --> 00:38:20,605
Speaker 1: inside someone's house. Well, in the like in the poem

671
00:38:20,685 --> 00:38:22,565
Speaker 1: it said, yes, of course there's the waters. But then

672
00:38:22,565 --> 00:38:25,685
Speaker 1: also in the memoir it said the treasure is buried

673
00:38:25,925 --> 00:38:28,445
Speaker 1: somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe. So a

674
00:38:28,485 --> 00:38:30,485
Speaker 1: lot of people thought it was in the Rocky Mountains,

675
00:38:30,965 --> 00:38:33,565
Speaker 1: and people just became obsessed with it. And apparently one

676
00:38:33,565 --> 00:38:35,765
Speaker 1: of the reasons why Forrest did this, other than you know,

677
00:38:36,005 --> 00:38:38,925
Speaker 1: legacy in that whole thing, is that he wanted to

678
00:38:38,925 --> 00:38:41,445
Speaker 1: give people hope after the two thousand and eight you know,

679
00:38:41,525 --> 00:38:47,445
Speaker 1: financial crisis, which I don't like. I don't think that's

680
00:38:47,485 --> 00:38:50,245
Speaker 1: a very nice thing to do, to bury two million

681
00:38:51,045 --> 00:38:55,645
Speaker 1: worth of treasure somewhere in mountains and share it with

682
00:38:55,725 --> 00:39:01,085
Speaker 1: a very desperate population. And we all know how lovingly

683
00:39:01,445 --> 00:39:05,085
Speaker 1: Americans can be about things, you know, some can get

684
00:39:05,125 --> 00:39:08,765
Speaker 1: kind of obsessive, and that's exactly what happened. So some

685
00:39:08,805 --> 00:39:11,325
Speaker 1: people sold their life savings and moved, you know, out

686
00:39:11,325 --> 00:39:14,005
Speaker 1: west to find the treasure. And some people, you know,

687
00:39:14,085 --> 00:39:16,525
Speaker 1: just became super obsessed with it and got divorced and

688
00:39:16,925 --> 00:39:19,205
Speaker 1: they just like ruined their families and they never found it.

689
00:39:19,565 --> 00:39:22,565
Speaker 1: So and then, yeah, as I already said, some people died.

690
00:39:22,765 --> 00:39:26,325
Speaker 1: How did they die? Well, let's okay, So this is

691
00:39:26,365 --> 00:39:29,765
Speaker 1: this is like one example, in twenty sixteen, this fifty

692
00:39:29,765 --> 00:39:32,765
Speaker 1: five year old men named Randy was found dead in

693
00:39:32,845 --> 00:39:36,965
Speaker 1: New Mexico's like backwoods area after he literally packed up

694
00:39:36,965 --> 00:39:39,565
Speaker 1: and moved out west to look for this treasure. And

695
00:39:39,605 --> 00:39:41,405
Speaker 1: so the last thing that his family heard of him,

696
00:39:41,485 --> 00:39:44,205
Speaker 1: he had gotten a raft and had set sail in

697
00:39:44,285 --> 00:39:47,325
Speaker 1: the Rio Grande, and he was convinced that he knew

698
00:39:47,325 --> 00:39:49,805
Speaker 1: where this treasure was hidden because I got waters. I

699
00:39:49,845 --> 00:39:51,965
Speaker 1: guess people thought it would be somewhere in a river.

700
00:39:52,685 --> 00:39:55,045
Speaker 1: And he was on his way to like this rocky

701
00:39:55,125 --> 00:39:58,285
Speaker 1: part of the river near Bedelier National Monument, which is

702
00:39:58,325 --> 00:40:01,285
Speaker 1: this national park in New Mexico, and he was just

703
00:40:01,325 --> 00:40:03,925
Speaker 1: convinced it wasn't like that weird, like rocky kind of

704
00:40:04,045 --> 00:40:07,325
Speaker 1: isolated space, and so he went with his little white dog.

705
00:40:07,725 --> 00:40:10,605
Speaker 1: And then he was not heard from for about a week,

706
00:40:10,645 --> 00:40:13,645
Speaker 1: and so that his ex wife filed a miss a

707
00:40:13,765 --> 00:40:17,765
Speaker 1: person's report and his body was found literally months later.

708
00:40:18,325 --> 00:40:20,845
Speaker 1: So they couldn't determine the cause of death because it

709
00:40:20,885 --> 00:40:24,725
Speaker 1: was it was like skeletal remains. Basically, Oh no, did

710
00:40:24,725 --> 00:40:28,525
Speaker 1: they find his dog? Um? I don't. I actually don't know.

711
00:40:28,605 --> 00:40:31,005
Speaker 1: It didn't say what happened to his dog. I'm gonna

712
00:40:31,045 --> 00:40:34,085
Speaker 1: cry anyway. Obviously, his family was super upset and they

713
00:40:34,125 --> 00:40:36,565
Speaker 1: asked for us to end the treasure hunt because people were,

714
00:40:36,845 --> 00:40:38,765
Speaker 1: you know, becoming kind of crazy about it. Before I said,

715
00:40:38,765 --> 00:40:40,325
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be fair to all the people who have

716
00:40:40,365 --> 00:40:43,885
Speaker 1: worked so hard looking for the treasure. Yeah, the crazy thing.

717
00:40:43,885 --> 00:40:46,405
Speaker 1: And you could just, like, you know, maybe if you

718
00:40:46,485 --> 00:40:48,885
Speaker 1: actually wanted to help people, you could just you know,

719
00:40:49,245 --> 00:40:55,005
Speaker 1: donate money to people crazy. And then another person, this

720
00:40:55,045 --> 00:40:58,205
Speaker 1: guy was a pastor, Paris Wallace. He was this man

721
00:40:58,325 --> 00:41:01,245
Speaker 1: from Grand Junction, New Mexico, and he was found dead

722
00:41:01,445 --> 00:41:04,565
Speaker 1: fifty miles north of Santa Fe in the waters of

723
00:41:04,565 --> 00:41:07,165
Speaker 1: the Rio Grande again. And it seems like he had

724
00:41:07,325 --> 00:41:09,845
Speaker 1: bought a rope and was trying to like pass through

725
00:41:09,885 --> 00:41:12,885
Speaker 1: the water safely, but the rope tour and he died.

726
00:41:12,965 --> 00:41:16,165
Speaker 1: And then another person and five people total died. I'm

727
00:41:16,165 --> 00:41:19,405
Speaker 1: just giving you like three. So another person, Eric Ashby,

728
00:41:19,685 --> 00:41:22,365
Speaker 1: this thirty one year old who moved to Colorado to

729
00:41:22,365 --> 00:41:26,125
Speaker 1: search for the treasure, was found drowned in the Arkansas

730
00:41:26,285 --> 00:41:29,285
Speaker 1: River in Colorado. And what's even worse about this case

731
00:41:29,365 --> 00:41:31,405
Speaker 1: is that he was with three other people who were

732
00:41:31,445 --> 00:41:33,405
Speaker 1: also hunting for the treasure, and it seems like they

733
00:41:33,445 --> 00:41:37,445
Speaker 1: were friends and they were rafting and then the raft overturned,

734
00:41:37,525 --> 00:41:41,685
Speaker 1: and no one ever found Eric. The men who died,

735
00:41:41,925 --> 00:41:45,005
Speaker 1: and this bystander actually reported it, but his friends never

736
00:41:45,165 --> 00:41:48,285
Speaker 1: did until like ten days later. And apparently they were

737
00:41:48,405 --> 00:41:52,605
Speaker 1: quote unquote afraid to come forward, which like what, like's

738
00:41:52,605 --> 00:41:54,485
Speaker 1: an that's a rafting accident, Like why would you be

739
00:41:54,485 --> 00:41:56,485
Speaker 1: afraid to come forward? I think I think that they

740
00:41:56,485 --> 00:41:59,005
Speaker 1: were thinking they were very close to the treasure. They

741
00:41:59,005 --> 00:42:04,165
Speaker 1: didn't want to you know, like treasure, like you know,

742
00:42:04,245 --> 00:42:06,645
Speaker 1: I have no idea. And then a lot of people

743
00:42:06,725 --> 00:42:09,485
Speaker 1: kind of subscribe to the conspiracy theory that his friends

744
00:42:09,485 --> 00:42:11,685
Speaker 1: actually found the treasure and cut him out of the loot,

745
00:42:12,085 --> 00:42:15,845
Speaker 1: which yeah, would kind of make sense, but the treasure

746
00:42:15,925 --> 00:42:21,845
Speaker 1: was actually found finally in twenty twenty. Who found the treasure?

747
00:42:22,605 --> 00:42:27,005
Speaker 1: An ex BuzzFeed writer. That's who Actually that's kind of reductive,

748
00:42:27,005 --> 00:42:29,565
Speaker 1: that's reducted, but we'll get into that. So his name

749
00:42:29,805 --> 00:42:33,845
Speaker 1: allistical author, literally allistical author. Yeah, So his name is

750
00:42:33,965 --> 00:42:37,685
Speaker 1: Jack Stewart and he went to Georgetown, he became a writer.

751
00:42:37,845 --> 00:42:40,205
Speaker 1: He's a white man. He was kind of problematic as

752
00:42:40,205 --> 00:42:43,725
Speaker 1: a writer. Apparently, like he made this fake expose against

753
00:42:43,725 --> 00:42:46,805
Speaker 1: a famous internet cartoonist that the cartoonists called him out

754
00:42:46,885 --> 00:42:51,085
Speaker 1: for and that basically made Jack leave BuzzFeed. And then

755
00:42:51,125 --> 00:42:54,645
Speaker 1: also before his BuzzFeed gig, he made very offensive comments

756
00:42:54,645 --> 00:42:58,325
Speaker 1: about Sarah Palin's son and his disabilities. He like called

757
00:42:58,605 --> 00:43:01,805
Speaker 1: her son the R word, which is not okay, and

758
00:43:01,965 --> 00:43:04,565
Speaker 1: so people kind of canceled him. That made him stop writing.

759
00:43:05,005 --> 00:43:08,045
Speaker 1: So in twenty eighteen, he's like, doesn't know what to

760
00:43:08,045 --> 00:43:10,725
Speaker 1: do with his life, his direction list, so, you know,

761
00:43:11,165 --> 00:43:13,445
Speaker 1: like any white man, he decides to go to medical school.

762
00:43:13,765 --> 00:43:16,805
Speaker 1: And around the time that this happened, he heard about

763
00:43:16,845 --> 00:43:19,285
Speaker 1: Fenn's Treasure, and so he became a bit obsessed with

764
00:43:19,325 --> 00:43:22,045
Speaker 1: it and he kind of devoured every interview with Fenn,

765
00:43:22,205 --> 00:43:24,805
Speaker 1: every book Fenn has ever written, and of course the

766
00:43:24,845 --> 00:43:27,845
Speaker 1: Cryptic Poem. And he didn't like medical school. He did

767
00:43:27,885 --> 00:43:29,845
Speaker 1: not like medicine at all. So he was just kind

768
00:43:29,885 --> 00:43:31,085
Speaker 1: of doing it because he didn't know what else to

769
00:43:31,085 --> 00:43:33,165
Speaker 1: do with his life, and then became, as I said,

770
00:43:33,605 --> 00:43:36,045
Speaker 1: very into this treasure. Yeah, when I get bored of

771
00:43:36,165 --> 00:43:39,925
Speaker 1: medical school, I go looking for buried treasure as well. Right, Well,

772
00:43:39,965 --> 00:43:42,725
Speaker 1: apparently he didn't really tell his friends or family about

773
00:43:42,725 --> 00:43:46,365
Speaker 1: it because he didn't want to sound crazy, but so

774
00:43:46,405 --> 00:43:48,805
Speaker 1: he started looking for it in twenty eighteen, and apparently

775
00:43:49,085 --> 00:43:54,285
Speaker 1: he found the space where the treasure was. In twenty eighteen,

776
00:43:54,325 --> 00:43:56,725
Speaker 1: he figured out where in the Rockies it was, and

777
00:43:56,725 --> 00:43:59,965
Speaker 1: then he spent a combined twenty five days over two

778
00:44:00,085 --> 00:44:04,325
Speaker 1: years searching in that area, and then in June sixth,

779
00:44:04,485 --> 00:44:07,845
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, found the treasure and it was in a

780
00:44:07,925 --> 00:44:11,005
Speaker 1: part of the Rocky Mountains in Wyoming. So he found

781
00:44:11,005 --> 00:44:14,925
Speaker 1: it and cried and laughed, and just like he explains that,

782
00:44:14,965 --> 00:44:18,725
Speaker 1: he just felt profound relief. And then he immediately drove

783
00:44:18,765 --> 00:44:20,885
Speaker 1: to Santa Fe to meet with Forrest, and they opened

784
00:44:20,885 --> 00:44:24,045
Speaker 1: the treasure together. They bonded or whatever, and he asked

785
00:44:24,085 --> 00:44:28,125
Speaker 1: him a bunch of questions, and yeah, he says that

786
00:44:29,085 --> 00:44:32,565
Speaker 1: the Treasure Hunt was basically made for an English major

787
00:44:32,645 --> 00:44:34,885
Speaker 1: because and this is a quote, it's based on a

788
00:44:34,965 --> 00:44:37,805
Speaker 1: close read of text. I mean, that's what it is.

789
00:44:38,005 --> 00:44:40,765
Speaker 1: It's having the correct interpretation of a poem. I understood

790
00:44:40,805 --> 00:44:43,285
Speaker 1: him by reading his words and listening to him talk

791
00:44:43,405 --> 00:44:46,245
Speaker 1: over and over and over again and seeking out anything

792
00:44:46,245 --> 00:44:47,925
Speaker 1: I could get my hands on that told me who

793
00:44:47,965 --> 00:44:51,005
Speaker 1: he was. So what he did was really get into

794
00:44:51,205 --> 00:44:53,765
Speaker 1: Forrest's head, and that's how he found the treasure, and

795
00:44:53,805 --> 00:44:56,365
Speaker 1: the treasure is his, so he says he'll probably sell

796
00:44:56,365 --> 00:44:59,165
Speaker 1: it at some point, and he refuses to share exactly

797
00:44:59,205 --> 00:45:01,245
Speaker 1: where it is because he doesn't want it to become

798
00:45:01,325 --> 00:45:03,645
Speaker 1: like a big tourist attraction. He said it's a very

799
00:45:03,685 --> 00:45:06,845
Speaker 1: special place for Forest, since where Forrest wanted to die,

800
00:45:06,925 --> 00:45:09,725
Speaker 1: so like, it's very intimate and personal and he just

801
00:45:09,765 --> 00:45:13,245
Speaker 1: wants to honor forrest legacy like that, because Forest actually

802
00:45:13,285 --> 00:45:18,725
Speaker 1: died around September twenty twenty. So oh, yeah, but you

803
00:45:18,765 --> 00:45:22,245
Speaker 1: know the treasure was found he was ninety, I was

804
00:45:22,365 --> 00:45:26,045
Speaker 1: it was yea, he lived a long life yep. Um,

805
00:45:26,445 --> 00:45:29,325
Speaker 1: So yeah, the treasure was found by you know, another

806
00:45:29,325 --> 00:45:31,885
Speaker 1: white man. I don't know. That didn't really surprise me.

807
00:45:32,365 --> 00:45:34,405
Speaker 1: And he'll probably sell it eventually because he says he

808
00:45:34,445 --> 00:45:37,045
Speaker 1: has student loans. So oh, and then he says he

809
00:45:37,045 --> 00:45:39,125
Speaker 1: will probably get into the stock market instead of go

810
00:45:39,205 --> 00:45:41,805
Speaker 1: to continue that. Okay, Oh, good good for a head,

811
00:45:41,925 --> 00:45:44,085
Speaker 1: good good, good for ahead. I don't think I want him.

812
00:45:44,285 --> 00:45:49,485
Speaker 1: What a happy story. Everyone one who deserved too, except

813
00:45:49,525 --> 00:45:53,325
Speaker 1: for the five people who died, and they hundreds of

814
00:45:53,525 --> 00:45:56,005
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even probably thousands of people who

815
00:45:56,005 --> 00:45:58,805
Speaker 1: are very upset that he found it. Like I was

816
00:45:58,885 --> 00:46:01,765
Speaker 1: on this um like reddit thread and they were like, hey, Jack,

817
00:46:01,845 --> 00:46:03,565
Speaker 1: like give us a piece of the pie. We spent

818
00:46:03,645 --> 00:46:06,045
Speaker 1: so much time working on it. And I went through

819
00:46:06,125 --> 00:46:08,365
Speaker 1: blogs and there were these all of these blogs trying

820
00:46:08,365 --> 00:46:12,405
Speaker 1: to decode the poem and use I don't know, just

821
00:46:12,485 --> 00:46:14,565
Speaker 1: all of these kinds of tricks to try to like

822
00:46:14,645 --> 00:46:17,245
Speaker 1: find where the poem was. And people feel very entitled

823
00:46:17,325 --> 00:46:20,605
Speaker 1: to the treasure. So I mean, so many hours have

824
00:46:20,685 --> 00:46:26,965
Speaker 1: been wasted. Yeah, honestly, I yeah, I cannot. Also, like

825
00:46:27,845 --> 00:46:30,045
Speaker 1: I feel like that's very a very dangerous thing to do,

826
00:46:30,125 --> 00:46:32,605
Speaker 1: because again, people would be crazy and like, you hit

827
00:46:32,645 --> 00:46:34,885
Speaker 1: it somewhere in the Rockies, and apparently it wasn't in

828
00:46:34,885 --> 00:46:38,085
Speaker 1: a very dangerous spot, Like it wasn't inside of a

829
00:46:38,205 --> 00:46:41,445
Speaker 1: river or in some weird cave. He explains, like it

830
00:46:41,485 --> 00:46:43,645
Speaker 1: was in this big field and he just had to

831
00:46:43,645 --> 00:46:45,525
Speaker 1: spend he spent twenty five days, you know, searching in

832
00:46:45,565 --> 00:46:48,405
Speaker 1: the field. But it wasn't like I don't know, he

833
00:46:48,485 --> 00:46:51,285
Speaker 1: had to raft through the which is what a lot

834
00:46:51,325 --> 00:46:54,485
Speaker 1: of people thought they would have to happen. So well,

835
00:46:54,565 --> 00:46:56,765
Speaker 1: maybe some people at least got to go rafting and

836
00:46:56,845 --> 00:47:00,325
Speaker 1: that was a fun activity. Yeah, unless you die, unless

837
00:47:00,325 --> 00:47:04,125
Speaker 1: you die. All right, well, thank you, Nika. When we

838
00:47:04,205 --> 00:47:11,005
Speaker 1: come back, we will talk more about treasure. Welcome back,

839
00:47:11,045 --> 00:47:13,605
Speaker 1: all you cadaver pals. We're going to talk more about

840
00:47:13,645 --> 00:47:18,605
Speaker 1: treasure hunting. Treasure. Yeah, so I don't need a treasure

841
00:47:18,685 --> 00:47:22,285
Speaker 1: hunt because I already have two treasures, Taylor and Nica.

842
00:47:22,605 --> 00:47:30,325
Speaker 1: Oh for millions of dollars? Oh, I think I would

843
00:47:30,325 --> 00:47:36,365
Speaker 1: go for millions of dollars. Really, um, maybe a mill Okay,

844
00:47:36,445 --> 00:47:38,885
Speaker 1: if you sell us for millions of dollars, do we

845
00:47:38,925 --> 00:47:45,405
Speaker 1: at least get some of the money. No? Oh, people

846
00:47:45,445 --> 00:47:48,165
Speaker 1: who think you get part of my loot, which you

847
00:47:48,205 --> 00:47:51,485
Speaker 1: are my loot, which being your loot? Yeah, okay, being

848
00:47:51,565 --> 00:47:57,325
Speaker 1: your loot? Okay. Oh some pirate play, oh, nic more

849
00:47:57,365 --> 00:48:01,485
Speaker 1: ideas for role play? Okay, yeah, exactly Are you serious?

850
00:48:03,525 --> 00:48:08,045
Speaker 1: Sorry Taylor talking out a shut down. Let's hear it.

851
00:48:08,125 --> 00:48:10,805
Speaker 1: Let's hear it. Okay. So, you know, like like I

852
00:48:10,885 --> 00:48:12,005
Speaker 1: was at I was at the beach a couple of

853
00:48:12,005 --> 00:48:15,565
Speaker 1: weeks ago, there's always that one goober that's got the

854
00:48:16,365 --> 00:48:19,605
Speaker 1: metal detector looking for stuff they'll find like coins or

855
00:48:19,725 --> 00:48:22,165
Speaker 1: jewelry that people have lost on the beach. But you know,

856
00:48:22,205 --> 00:48:26,005
Speaker 1: it's really rarely worth a lot. Hey, sometimes it's the

857
00:48:26,085 --> 00:48:29,605
Speaker 1: experience not what you actually, you know, get at the

858
00:48:29,725 --> 00:48:32,845
Speaker 1: end of the treasure hunt. That's by Miley Cyrus. That's

859
00:48:32,845 --> 00:48:36,405
Speaker 1: what she said. Oh thank you, Miley. So it's gonna

860
00:48:36,445 --> 00:48:42,245
Speaker 1: be another well, yeah, it's always gonna be another treasure hunt,

861
00:48:42,365 --> 00:48:44,045
Speaker 1: and there's always gonna be You're gonna look like a

862
00:48:44,085 --> 00:48:49,845
Speaker 1: fucking nerd. But yeah, okay, anyways, ober, Yeah, So only

863
00:48:49,885 --> 00:48:53,845
Speaker 1: one point seven percent of findings are a quinkie dink,

864
00:48:54,085 --> 00:48:56,965
Speaker 1: so usually they're like it's based on some sort of

865
00:48:57,005 --> 00:48:59,845
Speaker 1: like studies or like like all this research by all

866
00:48:59,885 --> 00:49:03,205
Speaker 1: of these archaeologists and whatnot. So but anyway, so in

867
00:49:03,205 --> 00:49:06,965
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, there was this metal detecting enthusiast

868
00:49:07,045 --> 00:49:11,205
Speaker 1: named Terry Herbert, and he went into a field owned

869
00:49:11,205 --> 00:49:17,125
Speaker 1: by farmer friend Fred Johnson near Staffordshire in England. El

870
00:49:17,405 --> 00:49:20,685
Speaker 1: Herbert's metal detector starts beeps and boops, and so Herbert

871
00:49:20,685 --> 00:49:23,245
Speaker 1: gets out his little shovel and starts looking for his treasure.

872
00:49:24,045 --> 00:49:26,325
Speaker 1: And then he sees this little piece of gold and

873
00:49:26,365 --> 00:49:29,165
Speaker 1: it appeared to have like this inscription on it. It

874
00:49:29,165 --> 00:49:31,325
Speaker 1: looks like it was like part of a shield. So

875
00:49:31,405 --> 00:49:34,165
Speaker 1: he's like oh, I'm calling up a team of archaeologists.

876
00:49:34,165 --> 00:49:38,085
Speaker 1: Like this seems like a big deal. So archaeologists come.

877
00:49:38,245 --> 00:49:41,085
Speaker 1: They dig up fourteen thousand pieces of treasure that are

878
00:49:41,125 --> 00:49:44,245
Speaker 1: now referred to as the Anglo Saxon Treasure from sixth

879
00:49:44,245 --> 00:49:49,765
Speaker 1: and seventh century. What. Yeah, that's a lot of treasure. Yeah,

880
00:49:50,245 --> 00:49:52,965
Speaker 1: that's so much. What did he get to keep some

881
00:49:53,125 --> 00:49:56,685
Speaker 1: for himself? So this is so no, this is like

882
00:49:56,725 --> 00:50:00,365
Speaker 1: the largest collection of Anglo Saxon treasure ever found, and

883
00:50:01,045 --> 00:50:04,445
Speaker 1: I believe like the largest found in Europe. The treasure

884
00:50:04,565 --> 00:50:07,765
Speaker 1: was mostly warmid materials from like weapons, and like the

885
00:50:07,805 --> 00:50:10,445
Speaker 1: coolest thing was like the high status helmet, which you

886
00:50:10,485 --> 00:50:12,685
Speaker 1: know that's like the classic. It's like a gold helmet

887
00:50:12,725 --> 00:50:15,325
Speaker 1: and it has those like red bristles on top. Oh

888
00:50:15,405 --> 00:50:18,005
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So the treasure was found to be worth

889
00:50:18,085 --> 00:50:21,085
Speaker 1: like three point three million pounds, which seems like not

890
00:50:21,205 --> 00:50:24,565
Speaker 1: a lot to me. But the guys did get like

891
00:50:24,605 --> 00:50:27,525
Speaker 1: a million dollars that they were able to kind of

892
00:50:28,485 --> 00:50:31,205
Speaker 1: you know, for finding it or whatever. The farmer and

893
00:50:31,525 --> 00:50:34,485
Speaker 1: the metal detector guy. Yes, and so good, okay, good,

894
00:50:34,525 --> 00:50:36,845
Speaker 1: So they ended up getting like a million dollars. But

895
00:50:36,925 --> 00:50:39,205
Speaker 1: like you know, there's kind of arguments over like it

896
00:50:39,285 --> 00:50:41,405
Speaker 1: was my land and like he's like, but I found

897
00:50:41,445 --> 00:50:44,525
Speaker 1: it and blah blah blah the whole thing. But yeah,

898
00:50:44,525 --> 00:50:47,405
Speaker 1: so this was like this this huge collection. So I

899
00:50:47,445 --> 00:50:49,285
Speaker 1: saw this and like it kind of got me thinking,

900
00:50:49,325 --> 00:50:51,405
Speaker 1: like what do you do if you find treasure? Like

901
00:50:51,525 --> 00:50:53,205
Speaker 1: what do you you know? Like, what do you do?

902
00:50:54,245 --> 00:50:56,285
Speaker 1: So don't tell people and you just have it for

903
00:50:56,365 --> 00:51:00,045
Speaker 1: yourself and then you can just you know. So it

904
00:51:00,085 --> 00:51:02,205
Speaker 1: sound like you sound like that mean dragon from the

905
00:51:02,245 --> 00:51:04,645
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings, Like smart wasn't even smart guys

906
00:51:04,805 --> 00:51:12,485
Speaker 1: more small name. Yeah, so schmore, I like that better

907
00:51:13,165 --> 00:51:17,125
Speaker 1: west Board yep. Okay. So in the US there are

908
00:51:17,165 --> 00:51:22,525
Speaker 1: different laws by state, and the Archaeological Resources Protection Act

909
00:51:22,565 --> 00:51:26,285
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine says that any archaeological resources found

910
00:51:26,285 --> 00:51:28,605
Speaker 1: in the land of the state belongs to the government.

911
00:51:30,285 --> 00:51:33,245
Speaker 1: Uh huh, that's okay. And so but then there's also

912
00:51:33,285 --> 00:51:36,005
Speaker 1: this really confusing thing of like defining treasure, like what

913
00:51:36,165 --> 00:51:40,245
Speaker 1: is treasure? Um? So in those guidelines, the object must

914
00:51:40,245 --> 00:51:43,885
Speaker 1: be at least three hundred years old, must be substantially

915
00:51:43,885 --> 00:51:47,725
Speaker 1: made of gold or silver, have been deliberately concealed by

916
00:51:47,725 --> 00:51:51,045
Speaker 1: the owner with a view to later recover the owner

917
00:51:51,285 --> 00:51:55,885
Speaker 1: or his or her present, heirs or successors must be unknown,

918
00:51:56,685 --> 00:51:58,605
Speaker 1: is one of at least two coins in the same

919
00:51:58,685 --> 00:52:02,245
Speaker 1: find and has precious metal content of at least ten percent,

920
00:52:02,965 --> 00:52:05,405
Speaker 1: and if the precious metal content is less than ten

921
00:52:05,645 --> 00:52:08,525
Speaker 1: percent of at least ten coins in the same find.

922
00:52:08,925 --> 00:52:13,085
Speaker 1: Really confusing stuff. So like it has to have all

923
00:52:13,165 --> 00:52:16,885
Speaker 1: of those it has to go through all of those checkpoints. Basically, yes,

924
00:52:17,005 --> 00:52:20,085
Speaker 1: but that is only if the particular state goes by

925
00:52:20,085 --> 00:52:23,525
Speaker 1: that rule. I think so, because there are because it's

926
00:52:23,565 --> 00:52:27,925
Speaker 1: by state, right, so generally speak in speaking, though, like

927
00:52:27,965 --> 00:52:30,445
Speaker 1: a hundred years is kind of like the general line,

928
00:52:30,445 --> 00:52:32,565
Speaker 1: even though this says three hundred, like a lot of

929
00:52:32,565 --> 00:52:35,845
Speaker 1: places are like a hundred years is old enough, or

930
00:52:36,765 --> 00:52:40,125
Speaker 1: in some instances, like in Iowa, it can be as

931
00:52:40,165 --> 00:52:44,205
Speaker 1: young as thirty five years old. So you got it.

932
00:52:44,365 --> 00:52:54,765
Speaker 1: I am almost a treasure. Oh my god, what sailor

933
00:52:55,005 --> 00:52:58,605
Speaker 1: is a treasure? So I was really excited about that because,

934
00:52:59,885 --> 00:53:02,085
Speaker 1: oh god, I'm almost old enough to be a treasure,

935
00:53:02,325 --> 00:53:05,165
Speaker 1: but not old enough to be a treasure yet, so

936
00:53:05,205 --> 00:53:08,805
Speaker 1: I'm still young. Yeah, I think that's a good. A

937
00:53:08,845 --> 00:53:11,845
Speaker 1: new barometer for age is like how old are you

938
00:53:11,925 --> 00:53:14,605
Speaker 1: before you become a treasure. Yeah, you love that. That's

939
00:53:14,645 --> 00:53:17,405
Speaker 1: actually great. Yeah, I was. I really liked that. So

940
00:53:18,245 --> 00:53:19,805
Speaker 1: but really it's just kind of like up to the

941
00:53:19,805 --> 00:53:23,165
Speaker 1: state to decide. And I kind of get the general

942
00:53:23,285 --> 00:53:25,405
Speaker 1: sense of like you're screwed because like, right, if you

943
00:53:25,445 --> 00:53:27,685
Speaker 1: find treasure, there's going to be people coming looking for you,

944
00:53:27,765 --> 00:53:29,925
Speaker 1: trying to stake your treasures or you're giving it to

945
00:53:29,965 --> 00:53:32,405
Speaker 1: the state, and then you don't get anything out of it,

946
00:53:32,485 --> 00:53:34,085
Speaker 1: or maybe you do get something out of it, but

947
00:53:34,125 --> 00:53:36,725
Speaker 1: again then you have money and then people are after you.

948
00:53:37,285 --> 00:53:40,365
Speaker 1: This is obviously this is in the US, correct, Yes, So,

949
00:53:40,485 --> 00:53:42,525
Speaker 1: like depending on the treasure, you might get a finder's

950
00:53:42,525 --> 00:53:45,045
Speaker 1: fee or something, but if you don't turn it in,

951
00:53:46,125 --> 00:53:48,405
Speaker 1: you could go to jail. And then if you find

952
00:53:48,485 --> 00:53:51,405
Speaker 1: something that is not a treasure, you still have to

953
00:53:51,445 --> 00:53:53,325
Speaker 1: turn it into the police and it would be treated

954
00:53:53,365 --> 00:53:56,565
Speaker 1: as like as evidence. Would like if I find a

955
00:53:56,605 --> 00:53:59,525
Speaker 1: buried polly pocket doll, I have to turn it into

956
00:53:59,525 --> 00:54:01,845
Speaker 1: the police. I mean, that wouldn't be like half considered

957
00:54:01,885 --> 00:54:04,645
Speaker 1: a treasure. I'm like going with something that would be

958
00:54:05,525 --> 00:54:09,565
Speaker 1: unique and weird, like a knife or like a buried gun, yeah,

959
00:54:09,685 --> 00:54:11,965
Speaker 1: or a gun. I actually I wouldn't be surprised if

960
00:54:12,005 --> 00:54:14,285
Speaker 1: I found a buried gun in my backyard, or like

961
00:54:14,325 --> 00:54:17,005
Speaker 1: a knife well or something. Okay, we all live in Georgia,

962
00:54:17,165 --> 00:54:21,045
Speaker 1: and in Georgia, though, they have a finder's keepers rule

963
00:54:21,245 --> 00:54:25,445
Speaker 1: that applies, so as long as it's edally obtained, aka,

964
00:54:25,525 --> 00:54:29,965
Speaker 1: like you're not trespassing, it's yours. So I'm gonna dig

965
00:54:29,965 --> 00:54:32,405
Speaker 1: out my entire bucket, I know. Right, So, unless you

966
00:54:32,485 --> 00:54:33,965
Speaker 1: like live in Georgia or you know, one of the

967
00:54:34,005 --> 00:54:37,365
Speaker 1: states where there's a finder's keeper law, doesn't seem to

968
00:54:37,445 --> 00:54:40,285
Speaker 1: be worth it to me to go looking for treasure.

969
00:54:40,365 --> 00:54:45,845
Speaker 1: But absolutely. Did you ever see that documentary called Finders Keepers? No? Well,

970
00:54:45,965 --> 00:54:47,925
Speaker 1: it is so good. Everybody watch it right now. I

971
00:54:47,925 --> 00:54:51,965
Speaker 1: think it's still on Netflix. It's about this guy who

972
00:54:52,125 --> 00:54:55,845
Speaker 1: he gets a grill from a like a yard sale

973
00:54:55,925 --> 00:54:58,765
Speaker 1: or something, and when he gets at home, he opens

974
00:54:58,765 --> 00:55:03,205
Speaker 1: it up and there's a foot in there, and he's like, oh, y'all,

975
00:55:03,245 --> 00:55:05,965
Speaker 1: I got my foot, Like what in the hick? And

976
00:55:06,005 --> 00:55:08,445
Speaker 1: then this other guy's like, oh, shoot, there's my foot.

977
00:55:08,485 --> 00:55:10,605
Speaker 1: I've been looking for my foot. And he's like, no, man,

978
00:55:10,605 --> 00:55:12,725
Speaker 1: it's Founder's keepers. I want to keep this foot and

979
00:55:12,765 --> 00:55:16,445
Speaker 1: he's like no, but it's fine, it's a really silly,

980
00:55:16,685 --> 00:55:20,005
Speaker 1: silly silly um why did the men have a foot

981
00:55:20,045 --> 00:55:23,725
Speaker 1: and a girl? I don't yeah, I can't remember. You'll

982
00:55:23,725 --> 00:55:26,845
Speaker 1: have to watch the documentary. It's it is excellent. I mean,

983
00:55:26,845 --> 00:55:31,165
Speaker 1: where else are you gonna put your foot? I know, right,

984
00:55:31,365 --> 00:55:34,685
Speaker 1: So all kinds of like lawsuits went down for that,

985
00:55:34,765 --> 00:55:39,005
Speaker 1: so that's hilarious. I don't actually remember the results, so

986
00:55:39,245 --> 00:55:41,005
Speaker 1: I'll have to watch it. No, no no, no, And I

987
00:55:41,045 --> 00:55:43,125
Speaker 1: don't want to spoil it for you. Yeah, don't spoil

988
00:55:43,165 --> 00:55:48,445
Speaker 1: it anyway. So that is kind of the tea if

989
00:55:48,485 --> 00:55:53,045
Speaker 1: you find treasure, although the chances if you're finding treasure

990
00:55:53,045 --> 00:55:56,245
Speaker 1: are like pretty low, I would say, so, yeah, but

991
00:55:56,325 --> 00:55:59,125
Speaker 1: I am. I am really surprised that this guy found

992
00:55:59,325 --> 00:56:01,685
Speaker 1: finally found the fund treasure because people were starting to

993
00:56:01,685 --> 00:56:04,805
Speaker 1: think it's just didn't exist. Yeah, but well there he is.

994
00:56:04,845 --> 00:56:07,725
Speaker 1: He found it. You know, unless you just really enjoy,

995
00:56:08,565 --> 00:56:12,205
Speaker 1: as Miley Cyrus says, the climb, just like, don't waste

996
00:56:12,205 --> 00:56:16,085
Speaker 1: your time anyway. So I hope you enjoyed this week's episode.

997
00:56:16,365 --> 00:56:19,885
Speaker 1: I know I did. I found out that I'm almost

998
00:56:19,885 --> 00:56:24,005
Speaker 1: a treasure, so I'm really excited about that. Special times

999
00:56:24,005 --> 00:56:27,285
Speaker 1: almost a treasure Taylor, when will you actually be a

1000
00:56:27,365 --> 00:56:31,885
Speaker 1: treasure so I can get you a treasure cake? Three years? Okay? Perfect?

1001
00:56:31,965 --> 00:56:35,565
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope it's actually two and a half. Okay,

1002
00:56:36,285 --> 00:56:38,765
Speaker 1: I'm making a mental note. Okay, mental note. All right,

1003
00:56:39,205 --> 00:56:55,645
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1004
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1005
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1006
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1007
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