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Speaker 2: Today's episode containing spoilers for Stranger Things season five episodes
Speaker 2: three and four.
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Speaker 5: In today's episode, we are recapping episodes three and four
Speaker 5: of Stranger Things season five, the final season.
Speaker 3: Then we will be bringing in Joel to.
Speaker 5: Talk about all of our thoughts about this first chunk
Speaker 5: of episodes.
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Speaker 2: But first, Stranger Things. Okay, Stranger Things season five, the
Speaker 2: final season, Episode three, The Turnbow Trap, Hopper and Eleven
Speaker 2: are wandering around in the upside Down. They're arguing about stuff,
Speaker 2: wondering what to do next. Eleven really wants to kill Vecna.
Speaker 2: They come. They're at this wall and they're like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck is this thing? They don't understand what it is.
Speaker 2: The wall doesn't respond to Eleven's powers. And also it
Speaker 2: feels really bad, like in the in the vicinity of
Speaker 2: the wall.
Speaker 3: Bad. Yes, the vibes are bad in the upside Down.
Speaker 3: It's going unwell for them.
Speaker 5: Back in Hawkins, the world has narrowed to a single farmhouse.
Speaker 5: This is the Turnbow home and this will be a
Speaker 5: huge moment for the Stranger Things kids as this is
Speaker 5: a family taking and scared neighbors. The military are now
Speaker 5: taking kids or searching for kids. There's a strange vibe
Speaker 5: going on, and it is the Turnbows who give our
Speaker 5: children the first real lead. And it is Derek Turnbow,
Speaker 5: who people at school call dipshit Derek. He's got glasses,
Speaker 5: he's wide eyed, he's in the wrong place at the
Speaker 5: wrong time, and he.
Speaker 3: Is on the next name on Veckner's list.
Speaker 5: And we know that because of the cold open where
Speaker 5: Vecna smiles at him in the Mister ws It position
Speaker 5: seems like he's been using the mister wats itprinkling time
Speaker 5: scheme for many children, and after Hollyweeler vanished without a trace,
Speaker 5: nobody wants to see what happens next, So it's time he.
Speaker 2: Should have yeah, used a different, different alias for everybody.
Speaker 5: I feel it's making it too easy, like just as
Speaker 5: many different creepy alias as you could have been from
Speaker 5: kids books.
Speaker 2: So our heroes come up with a truly insane plan
Speaker 2: which involves going to the Turnbough Farm, getting everybody like drugged,
Speaker 2: and then waiting for a dema Gorgan to show up,
Speaker 2: tagging it with like a tracker tag, and following it
Speaker 2: insane into the upside down. Uh, the demo Gorgon arrives,
Speaker 2: but the plan immediately goes fucking crazy because not everybody
Speaker 2: you know, Derek's not asleep, and the demo Gorgon realizes
Speaker 2: that our heroes are there. Therefore Vecna realizes our heroes
Speaker 2: are there. It looks like it's really not going to
Speaker 2: go well. Steve hits the demo Gorgan with a car
Speaker 2: and then the demo Gorgan like goes to flee through
Speaker 2: the portal and leave, and the question is, like, what
Speaker 2: what do we do now yes, where we didn't get
Speaker 2: the tracker and the demo Gorgan and now the demo
Speaker 2: Gorgan's gone.
Speaker 5: And also the demo Gorgan seems to kind of like
Speaker 5: maybe know the trap.
Speaker 3: There's a whole weird thing there.
Speaker 5: And we kind of get a feeling here why that
Speaker 5: is as Will kind of freezes, not not shock, just
Speaker 5: this kind of like crazy pulse that hits him from
Speaker 5: the inside out, and it's a shockwave coming from deep
Speaker 5: in the hive. His pencil snaps against his notebook and
Speaker 5: suddenly sketching without looking. It's all very Godzilla X Kong,
Speaker 5: New Empire or many other movies where somebody has sketched
Speaker 5: the sixth sense.
Speaker 3: I ever seen that one.
Speaker 5: He's scribbling and the scribbles become shapes, and the shapes
Speaker 5: become a window and through the window.
Speaker 6: Huh.
Speaker 3: None other than Definite New Stranger Things spin off lead.
Speaker 5: Holy Wei Law live screaming, reaching for something just to
Speaker 5: frame the Demigogan has it too. It pivots vanishes into
Speaker 5: the nearest creepy door aka weird Gate aka portal, leaving
Speaker 5: the kids gossiping and it's wake.
Speaker 2: And then Steve gets a good idea based on like
Speaker 2: a cookie that.
Speaker 4: Soft inside storytelling.
Speaker 5: I want the peanut line, peanut.
Speaker 2: But he's like, hey, you know what the you know what,
Speaker 2: the portal's kind of a peanut popper. What a peanut opper?
Speaker 4: And they're like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: You talking about.
Speaker 2: I know it's a very very kind of weird way
Speaker 2: to introduce the idea, Steve's idea of what if we
Speaker 2: just ram the portal with the car, which they do.
Speaker 2: So they ram the portal with the car and next
Speaker 2: thing you know, they're in the upside down. Meanwhile, in
Speaker 2: the upside down, Holly is wading around down.
Speaker 1: There and.
Speaker 2: She's she's like, uh, she hears there's a doorbell, and
Speaker 2: there's a knock on the door, and then there's weird
Speaker 2: things that are happening, and she's like walking out towards
Speaker 2: the place that Vecna so Henry told her not to go,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of like rock formation. And she gets
Speaker 2: there and she thinks she sees like a monster maybe,
Speaker 2: but and she's very very scared, but it's not a monster.
Speaker 2: When she looks up.
Speaker 4: It is Max Great Cliffhagger. I was actually like.
Speaker 6: Okay, this is where I was like, I was truly like,
Speaker 6: wait a minute, guys, maybe this should have been the
Speaker 6: end of the fast chapter.
Speaker 3: I feel like this would have hooked people to come back.
Speaker 5: But it did make me watch the next episode, so
Speaker 5: I get it, you know, like I want to hear
Speaker 5: to know.
Speaker 2: I can't wait for a discussion to talk about both
Speaker 2: the drug, the Turnbow family, and like kidnap the kids
Speaker 2: plan insane the very next plan in the next episode,
Speaker 2: which is based wildly on the Great Escape. Let's take
Speaker 2: a break back to talk about episode four. Okay, Episode four.
Speaker 5: Sorcerer nice William Friedkin reference that yes, a little freakin
Speaker 5: kind of freaking.
Speaker 2: This episode begins with the idea that you know, the
Speaker 2: government is basically losing, steadily losing control of the town.
Speaker 2: There's attacks, there's all these things are happening. So they're
Speaker 2: rounding up all the kids between a certain age group
Speaker 2: who are left in town, of which they are like
Speaker 2: seventy something, and they round them up for protective custom
Speaker 2: and our heroes realizing that the kids contacted by mister
Speaker 2: What's at aka Henry Creole aka Vecna among them are
Speaker 2: going to be important keys to accessing the upside down
Speaker 2: so they can rescue Holly. They have to come up
Speaker 2: with a plan in order to break these kids out
Speaker 2: of Max containment. So based on the old timey movie
Speaker 2: The Great Escape starrying Steve McQueen, they come up with
Speaker 2: the truly fucking insane plan that involves using the conveniently
Speaker 2: constructed tunnels that run under Hawkins to access the bunkers,
Speaker 2: at which point they will using Derek Turnbow as an
Speaker 2: inside agent, get the kids out.
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely crazy plan and also again like, this was
Speaker 5: definitely one of those times where I was like, I
Speaker 5: love a story about kids going up against adults and
Speaker 5: adults being useless, but those stories are usually like ninety minutes.
Speaker 3: Long in a slasher film.
Speaker 5: This is a show that consistently pushes the boundaries of
Speaker 5: making you not ask where are the adults, de joyce
Speaker 5: and hop and not know like a single cool adult
Speaker 5: that could help them, Like why are the only people
Speaker 5: they can team up with like ten year olds? So
Speaker 5: because the only people they can team up with are
Speaker 5: in high school. They get about thirty percent into the
Speaker 5: plan before it and revels security.
Speaker 3: Titans truck shows up early.
Speaker 5: Someone with a clipboard is counting and does a better
Speaker 5: job of the family counting home alones own children because
Speaker 5: they notice a.
Speaker 3: Headcount that doesn't add up.
Speaker 5: The soldiers are not confused in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 5: When everything blows up, they are absolutely ready and boom,
Speaker 5: flashlights pin the kids like insects, and suddenly the clean
Speaker 5: rescue dissolves into shouting, sprinting, and the kids scattering through
Speaker 5: the parking lot like a jail break at midnight.
Speaker 2: Yes, the escape plan goes totally crazy. Meanwhile, Uh, in
Speaker 2: the upside Down, Dustin figured they come to the wall.
Speaker 2: They're at the wall. Our tracking team is in the
Speaker 2: upside Down. There at the wall, Dustin does some math
Speaker 2: that I don't actually understand, and I don't understand like
Speaker 2: how he did it, but he figures out that.
Speaker 4: The wall is.
Speaker 2: A complete circle around Hawkins and at the perfect center
Speaker 2: of the circle is the Hawkins lap. Meanwhile, inside the
Speaker 2: upside Down, Hopin or eleven are fighting their way through
Speaker 2: the secret military facility that they believe houses. Vecna Ale's
Speaker 2: powers are kind of like not working because of some
Speaker 2: kind of like frequency or power inhibitor or thing that
Speaker 2: they're hop In her calling her kryptonite. But that's fine
Speaker 2: because Hopper like kills fifty people in the course of
Speaker 2: the two episodes. He's just like gunning down. He guns
Speaker 2: down so many people. In this episode, he's very comes out.
Speaker 3: About being put in the goo lags for sure.
Speaker 2: He's very very upset.
Speaker 4: Doctor K is there.
Speaker 2: Doctor K captures him for a second, but they figure
Speaker 2: that all out and Uh eleven is basically incapacitated, and
Speaker 2: Hopper goes to the room where they believe Vecna is.
Speaker 2: It's behind this big metal door and he opens it
Speaker 2: up and he's like, Okay, Eleven, you're gonna get out
Speaker 2: of here. Head that way. I'm going to go in
Speaker 2: there and deal with this. And she touches like she's like,
Speaker 2: what do you have inside your jacket? And you look
Speaker 2: in there and he's got like a true suicide vest. Yes,
Speaker 2: and he is ready to go in there and suicide
Speaker 2: vest himself while thinking about his.
Speaker 4: Daughter who died.
Speaker 2: But it turns out that's completely unnecessary because it's not
Speaker 2: Vecna in there. And I think one of the most
Speaker 2: satisfying yes, like Easter Egg Loop closes of the series.
Speaker 2: This is from like season two.
Speaker 4: Right where they talk season three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, season two or three. I mean, it's not Vecna
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 4: It's eight eleven, sister number eight h chugging.
Speaker 5: Just guys, I told you it would come back, and
Speaker 5: I have to say it has come back.
Speaker 3: I love this plotline.
Speaker 5: I was very excited to see this, and the lost
Speaker 5: threads of the episode essentially pull us back into the
Speaker 5: mind scape where we learn that how Max has been
Speaker 5: surviving is it's like an exception. It's really interesting essentially,
Speaker 5: as we know, Vecna's built a kind of physical mind
Speaker 5: palace within the upside down that feels appealing to kids
Speaker 5: like Holly, to kids like Derek. Is this kind of
Speaker 5: beautiful house, but we know that the kids are ultimately
Speaker 5: dying in their Max has not died because Max has
Speaker 5: found a cave which Vecna is too scared to go into.
Speaker 5: It's a memory he doesn't want to return to. And
Speaker 5: Max is obviously going to be our.
Speaker 3: Big, badass heroes here.
Speaker 5: And we see that while Holly is terrified, Max is
Speaker 5: like fucking ready and something is waking up above them.
Speaker 5: We don't know what it is, but something is changing.
Speaker 5: There is this strange kind of almost a shiver in
Speaker 5: the world. And then we go back up to the
Speaker 5: top and we see what has changed.
Speaker 2: So at the macv The walls between like Hawkins and
Speaker 2: the upside Down are super super thin now, so demogorgans
Speaker 2: are like pouring out of mortals. They're taking on the soldiers.
Speaker 2: It's a Seesaw battle in it. You feel like the
Speaker 2: soldiers actually might fight them off, especially when they come
Speaker 2: out with the flamethrowers and they start burning the demo organs.
Speaker 2: And Will, who is his connection to these upside down
Speaker 2: creatures now, is so strong that he feels like he's
Speaker 2: burning when the demo Gorgans are burning. And then just
Speaker 2: when it seems like, oh, maybe the human's got this,
Speaker 2: Vecna shows up that it looks very muscular and viny.
Speaker 3: Now I know everyone was cracking me up. He looked
Speaker 3: like his waist is snatched, like he was like a
Speaker 3: drag queen, like compared to the Fast Season. Now he's
Speaker 3: like fabulous.
Speaker 2: He shows up and he kills a guy by like
Speaker 2: shoving his little roots through the back of his head.
Speaker 4: It's very gross.
Speaker 2: And then he picks up Will and he's like Will
Speaker 2: and it basically says like I want to thank you
Speaker 2: because when I broke you, I realized like how easy
Speaker 2: it is to break kids. They're so weak, and that's
Speaker 2: the key. I hope this is the key to my
Speaker 2: whole plan now to target the kids because the kids
Speaker 2: are so fucking weak. And meanwhile, the Demo Gordons are
Speaker 2: like leading off the ca kids, and so Vecna's like, okay,
Speaker 2: well that's why I'm doing this and it's all thanks
Speaker 2: to you, and then he goes off, follows the Demo
Speaker 2: Gorgans away, and the Demo Gorgans are in the process
Speaker 2: of like just being about to kill all of Will's friends, Lucas, everybody,
Speaker 2: like the people in the tunnels, like it's just about
Speaker 2: to be a fucking slaughter. And then Will, like Neo
Speaker 2: and the Matrix realizes upon reflecting on the words that
Speaker 2: Robin shared with him when they had their little talk
Speaker 2: about the fact that they're both gay.
Speaker 3: And also he's like basically an antenna and that was.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 2: He realizes that actually, like Mike was right, there is
Speaker 2: a connection with the Demo Gorgans and I can actually
Speaker 2: control them. And he freezes the Demo Gorgans in mid air,
Speaker 2: snapping their necks and is standing there with his eyes
Speaker 2: rolled back, looking super super powerful and terrifying, and that
Speaker 2: is the end of the Mirama finale of Stranger Things,
Speaker 2: the final season. Let's take a quick break and bring.
Speaker 4: In Joel, super producer Joel.
Speaker 2: And talk about these episodes. All right, Welcome to the episode, Joel.
Speaker 3: Joelle, it makes sense. It makes sense.
Speaker 2: So many things to talk about in these episodes, so
Speaker 2: many like things that I loved that I didn't we
Speaker 2: didn't even talk about in the recap, such as Eleven's
Speaker 2: idea that the soldier whose name I forget must know
Speaker 2: what the wall is because he peede on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she logic.
Speaker 5: She still has not been taught how to exist in
Speaker 5: like the real human world outside of the institution.
Speaker 3: And I blame that solely on Hopa. I got problems
Speaker 3: with this kid logic.
Speaker 2: But Joelle, your thoughts on these two episodes and then
Speaker 2: the season thus far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first two episodes were a slog for me,
Speaker 1: real difficult to get through. I was literally got three
Speaker 1: and four because I was like, here we are, We're
Speaker 1: in it. Stuff is happening. I'm liking the new Kids
Speaker 1: quite a lot. I'm not as on the Derek fanboard
Speaker 1: as some other people are. I still, you know, he's okay,
Speaker 1: Derek's fine. I like Holly, though, I like Little Sister.
Speaker 1: I love her outfit to explore the woods one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: You aced it girls so cute, love your color theory,
Speaker 1: and I like her, like her connection to D and
Speaker 1: D and like being a new like sort of lover
Speaker 1: of it and kind of learning about it. I think
Speaker 1: that's really cute. I thought the action and these sequences
Speaker 1: were great. I was a little nervous about them splitting
Speaker 1: everybody up at first, uh, because I think it works
Speaker 1: better when our main group of kids is together. But
Speaker 1: it's been working out, okay, Like we're learning a little
Speaker 1: bit about eleven. All right, I'll take it. My boys
Speaker 1: are not happy together right now, Steve and Dustin, and
Speaker 1: I need them to figure it out. Ace. Actually, I'm
Speaker 1: not okay with them not being good together.
Speaker 2: Well, sad, Can I just say one thing very quickly, Dustin?
Speaker 2: Why is Dustin so fucking mean this season?
Speaker 1: Right? Okay?
Speaker 2: Like, Like I get that he's obviously he's having a
Speaker 2: hard time in the wake of Eddie's death, and I
Speaker 2: get that, but it constantly manifesting is like being an
Speaker 2: asshole to his friends.
Speaker 4: It's like, Dustin.
Speaker 1: Is it because he's sure he everybody else drew up
Speaker 1: and not really tall and Dustin.
Speaker 3: Okay, I am sure, I'm angry, so fair.
Speaker 5: No, I think this is a good read, guys, because
Speaker 5: I do think it's one of the weak aspects of
Speaker 5: the two chunks.
Speaker 3: That we've gotten so far.
Speaker 5: I do think they're leaning a little bit more into
Speaker 5: things people don't want. People want Dustin and Steve to
Speaker 5: be friends. Four episodes is enough time for them to
Speaker 5: wrap it up and come back together. I don't want
Speaker 5: to see Steve have to you know, kill himself to
Speaker 5: save Dustin, to prove that he's, you know, a good friend.
Speaker 5: I also think that they're trying to do something around
Speaker 5: the nuance of when you are bullied, you can.
Speaker 3: Become a bully, or you can become cruel, or you can.
Speaker 5: Become in But the show does not have enough time
Speaker 5: for those kind of plot points.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 5: There is not enough nuance and juice there. Get to
Speaker 5: the fights, get to Dustin doing more cool maths and
Speaker 5: being a genius. That was always a great plot point
Speaker 5: him in it. Steve was so funny together as himbos Joelle.
Speaker 5: Other big takeaways from the first four episodes.
Speaker 1: Uh Robin a top tier character. I'm really loving her.
Speaker 1: I will say. I was concerned about the queerness of
Speaker 1: it all. You know, we've had little hints in the
Speaker 1: past and we were there. It felt like they were like,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna really go there, but we'll just we'll
Speaker 1: just queer bait you a little bit. This season they said,
Speaker 1: no queer baiting.
Speaker 3: We're all full full till it's it's.
Speaker 1: Gay as hell, and the gabies are uniting to figure
Speaker 1: out their shit and like lesbian support. I want to
Speaker 1: troll mom, I said it, but it's kind of getting me. Guys,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of really feeling the vibes of being like,
Speaker 1: it's not about your because because accurately your first crush,
Speaker 1: no matter your orientation, it feels like, oh, it's a
Speaker 1: lot about them, has nothing to do with them. It's
Speaker 1: all about you discovering a lot about yourself. And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's not really a coming out story.
Speaker 1: We get a lot of we get a lot of
Speaker 1: like my parents don't understand me. We get a lot
Speaker 1: of like society doesn't enjoy me, but we don't get
Speaker 1: a lot of Hey, like that is still your friend,
Speaker 1: but it's not really about him. This is about you,
Speaker 1: like center on yourself, your power culture. Then I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I like Will that much, but this story is bringing
Speaker 1: me around on him. That's kind of got me excited
Speaker 1: for where they're going to go from here.
Speaker 5: I really like the elder queer conversation because I don't
Speaker 5: think we get that a lot. I don't think we
Speaker 5: get a lot of, like, especially in genre stories, space
Speaker 5: for queer kids to be like kind to each other
Speaker 5: or help each other.
Speaker 3: So I love that also, was it just me?
Speaker 5: I feel like in episode four they were absolutely like
Speaker 5: making it seem like there was a thing between Mike
Speaker 5: and Will, like when that conversations kind of crush on Mike, yes,
Speaker 5: for a long time. But what I'm saying is in
Speaker 5: that moment when Mike kind of starts to have ideas
Speaker 5: about Will's powers, there's this awkward kind of interplay and
Speaker 5: Will even like Mike like touches his shoulder and Will
Speaker 5: kind of moves away.
Speaker 3: And I just I think they might actually go there.
Speaker 3: I don't think I think.
Speaker 1: You might get at most a confession of I have
Speaker 1: liked you, and he'll be like, that's so great, bro,
Speaker 1: We're still friends.
Speaker 4: They kind at the end.
Speaker 5: Of like they kind of did that end of season three,
Speaker 5: Season four, like have this. I think that at least
Speaker 5: I think that's gonna be an attempted kiss. That's why
Speaker 5: I think, because I saw I saw a little maybe
Speaker 5: at the end of the world, you know, between them,
Speaker 5: a little flirtation.
Speaker 1: I'm here, Yes, I'm just finally. I'm glad Max is back.
Speaker 4: We needed our girl.
Speaker 1: Uh really elevates this cast quite a lot, and she
Speaker 1: brings interesting angle into the story. I think, like Holly
Speaker 1: being in this sort of like VECNA bubble, Uh and
Speaker 1: then Max were bursting that bubble. I think it makes
Speaker 1: the world like really interesting. And it also because the
Speaker 1: end episode four with like, hey, the military VECNA not
Speaker 1: all aligned. We thought that they had VECNA. They don't.
Speaker 1: I love fighting two big bads on two separate fronts.
Speaker 1: Going into this last we have two more batches of episodes.
Speaker 1: I think it gives us a lot to go on.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen next. I have like
Speaker 1: almost zero predictions. It's so open.
Speaker 5: This is actually something that me and Jason talked about
Speaker 5: that I think is a big compliment. I feel like
Speaker 5: generally this show is relatively predictable because it's taking from
Speaker 5: a lot of stuff that we love, and that's part
Speaker 5: of the nostalgia. It's part of what makes it work
Speaker 5: is the familiarity. But they are blowing that up this season,
Speaker 5: and I do respect that because I too.
Speaker 3: Do not know where this is going to go. I
Speaker 3: do have some questions for.
Speaker 5: You, guys, Joelle, where are we going with what Vecna wants?
Speaker 5: Like he's gonna kill these kids, He's gonna connect to
Speaker 5: the upside down, But what does he want?
Speaker 3: That's the big question here. Okay, what do you think
Speaker 3: he wants?
Speaker 1: Vegna has gone full mustache twirly. I'm not sure how
Speaker 1: I felt. I would actually from the writers talk to
Speaker 1: me about how we feel about Vecna's big speech, and
Speaker 1: they were like, kids are so vulnerable and so easy
Speaker 1: to corrupt, and you were the easiest. And I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: He's bad.
Speaker 1: Did it feel like overkilled you? Or did it it
Speaker 1: did that work?
Speaker 2: I mean it felt like it was a little overkill
Speaker 2: in the sense that it's so clearly setting up the
Speaker 2: show to CounterPunch.
Speaker 4: The show is.
Speaker 2: In the show's entire thesis is that kids are strong,
Speaker 2: and that found family is incredible and vibrant, and kids
Speaker 2: are resilient and powerful, and so it felt a little
Speaker 2: overkill in the sense that it's so clearly just a
Speaker 2: set up the show to like.
Speaker 4: Dunk on him. But I also kind of liked it
Speaker 4: because it's not we're not.
Speaker 2: It was the first real explanation from Vecna about like
Speaker 2: what he's doing, and I think we need more. I'm
Speaker 2: hoping that in this back half the back five, we
Speaker 2: will get more Vecna monologues.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let me ask you about that. Actually, I think
Speaker 5: you make a great point, Joelle. The thing I'm interested
Speaker 5: in is that the truth of like Vector's experience or
Speaker 5: is that really like Vector saying that shit to fuck
Speaker 5: with will, because that's obviously what the people at.
Speaker 3: Hawkins's Lab thought about kids, you know that.
Speaker 5: I think they're trying to do some kind of trauma
Speaker 5: cycle here because he was like tortured and put into
Speaker 5: that space by the government, and I wonder if they're
Speaker 5: doing some kind of thing where he doesn't really feel
Speaker 5: that way, or there is gonna be more of a
Speaker 5: complexity to it, because I think his interest in the
Speaker 5: kids and where he puts them, and the way that
Speaker 5: someone like Holly gets put in that beautiful house that
Speaker 5: isn't scary and he wants to lure her in, but
Speaker 5: then someone like Will just gets used as like a
Speaker 5: scary human battery. I just think there's some really interesting
Speaker 5: complexities and layers there that we.
Speaker 3: Could get into.
Speaker 5: But the monologue personally didn't work for me just because
Speaker 5: of this. Really, Like Jason said, I do think that
Speaker 5: the point is so that Will can then be like
Speaker 5: I am strong, and that goes back to that predictability.
Speaker 5: It doesn't necessarily feel like I love a monologue where
Speaker 5: a villain just gives away his whole plan because he
Speaker 5: thinks it's such a good plan. You know, Vecna didn't
Speaker 5: have that confidence here.
Speaker 3: Vekna's plan.
Speaker 5: We still don't know what it is, and I still
Speaker 5: don't really believe in any way, shape or form that
Speaker 5: the government is collecting the kids or saving the kids
Speaker 5: for any kind of good reason. I think they're trying
Speaker 5: to once again work out how to militarize these kids
Speaker 5: against Vekna. So I'm very interested to see if the
Speaker 5: finale is kind of like a anti military, anti VECNA
Speaker 5: kind of free for all, and then it's about Hawkins
Speaker 5: taking back Hawkins as like a community. I don't know
Speaker 5: I'm very interested because the final episode is gonna show.
Speaker 3: The finale will show on.
Speaker 5: The big screen on December thirty first and January first,
Speaker 5: and they're showing it at like five hundred cinemas. Some
Speaker 5: are doing free screening, some are not. That's got to
Speaker 5: be a crazy episode because I was watching the episode
Speaker 5: last night, episode four, and even though it is a
Speaker 5: great lots of great action sequences, I watch it on
Speaker 5: my projector and it definitely looks bad if you watch
Speaker 5: it on your TV.
Speaker 3: The projector's fun because.
Speaker 5: Big, and it feels embracing and you're in the action,
Speaker 5: but it feels like you're also seeing too much that
Speaker 5: they don't want you to see, of the kind of
Speaker 5: stuff that isn't maybe as clean or is it, you know,
Speaker 5: some of the little bits and bobs that they want
Speaker 5: to hide in the action. I want to know what
Speaker 5: that finale looks like and whether it's gonna hurt or
Speaker 5: help it to be in the movie theaters. I will
Speaker 5: be there on January first because they're doing a free
Speaker 5: screening at the Egyptian. I'm taking a couple of friends
Speaker 5: of mine who loved the show, but like, I don't
Speaker 5: know if it's gonna hurt it or help it, Like,
Speaker 5: do you guys have any feeling on that.
Speaker 1: I think it will matter because it's the finale and
Speaker 1: so there's nowhere to go.
Speaker 3: I think it's just.
Speaker 1: An opportunity to sort of if you've been a lifelong fan,
Speaker 1: to sort of like lifelong, if you've embraced the show
Speaker 1: songs it's been on, you can go with your friends
Speaker 1: and sort of watch and conclusion. I think for Vecna's
Speaker 1: like big, it'll be interesting because like what we learn
Speaker 1: in episode four is like, Okay, he's basically created a
Speaker 1: circle in the upside down that's impenetrable by either military
Speaker 1: or you know, Eleven's powers. So you can't stab it,
Speaker 1: you can't mind wipe it away. It's solid. We know
Speaker 1: that in some way by the canyon, something has happened
Speaker 1: there that he's not approaching. We know you can kind
Speaker 1: of live in his memory. Yeah, and we know you
Speaker 1: kind of live inside of his memories. I'm wondering if
Speaker 1: you sort of making me upside down a physical memory
Speaker 1: palace that he can sort of because he can also
Speaker 1: change his body, like when he appears to Holly, he's
Speaker 1: fully formed as Henry. I think he's trying to create
Speaker 1: an all world. At least that would be the most
Speaker 1: interesting thing to me, because I'm not really interested in
Speaker 1: like destruction. For destruction's sake, it dries up. But you
Speaker 1: all screwed up my world and stole my childhood. So
Speaker 1: I'm bringing a bunch of children into a protected space
Speaker 1: where I can relive not just my childhood, but it's
Speaker 1: in a pristine sort of way, and in a way
Speaker 1: that I wish it had been. That to me is
Speaker 1: a fascin interesting Yeah, exactly exactly, And I think too,
Speaker 1: I'm also interested in Max makes a big deal about
Speaker 1: the music and physical touch being the thing that was
Speaker 1: going to be able to bring her back to the
Speaker 1: real world, And the first thing we see Henry give
Speaker 1: Holly is a tape that she immediately starts playing and
Speaker 1: connects to you. And I'm wondering if music can be
Speaker 1: both a savior and an anchor to this world in
Speaker 1: a way that maybe will allow her not to escape.
Speaker 1: I'm skeptical of Holly's spy abilities. She's doing good so far,
Speaker 1: but can you send her back into that house with.
Speaker 4: All of this knowledge?
Speaker 1: Can we talk about all of the different game plans
Speaker 1: that were set up, and we had a lot of.
Speaker 2: We got to talk about because these are the most
Speaker 2: cock they're cock may me cock ma fuck plants. I
Speaker 2: mean the first one in episode three where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go to the Turnbo farm, We're gonna drug everyone,
Speaker 2: and then we're gonna kidnap the kids. And Joyce is
Speaker 2: like straight up like, yes, this is a kidnapping, but
Speaker 2: hear me.
Speaker 7: Out Erica into Dexter, They're like, take us syringe if
Speaker 7: they don't eat the pie.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 5: I do love Erica, though Erica in the next America
Speaker 5: PepsiCo dude, Erica is like when she's so ready.
Speaker 6: She said, Tina, I told you to eat that pie
Speaker 6: ohever and then she gives out the injection, like insane plan,
Speaker 6: especially because I feel like the fact that Hawkins is
Speaker 6: under military occupation means that you could go to the
Speaker 6: Tombous and go, hey, guys, we need Derek.
Speaker 3: There's some fucked up shit going on. We know more
Speaker 3: about it. His blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: I feel like you could have convinced them because so
Speaker 5: much we had stuff's going on. Drugging them and stealing
Speaker 5: that kid's bad idea, just like extremely bad idea, never
Speaker 5: gonna walk out well.
Speaker 2: And then there's episode four with this like kakamamie great
Speaker 2: escape plan that involves accessing the tunnels. Thank god the
Speaker 2: tunnels run in the way they do, figuring out, sending
Speaker 2: Derek in as like an inside agent to round up
Speaker 2: all the mister What's it contacts into one place, break
Speaker 2: in through the bottom of the bathroom, and then quietly
Speaker 2: whisk away all the what's it kids out of the tunnels. Crazily,
Speaker 2: this does not work because of a snitch. We can
Speaker 2: talk about that if.
Speaker 3: You want this plan as well.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what are we doing?
Speaker 3: Guess okay, lazy, I got as. There has been a
Speaker 3: lot of bad plans because like also remember.
Speaker 5: That, like the third season there was kind of this
Speaker 5: weird like the Russians are gonna take over America via
Speaker 5: four like via the upside Down. Is like, there's been
Speaker 5: many plans throughout this and they never go particularly well.
Speaker 3: Honestly, Stranger Things is a history of terrible plans. I
Speaker 3: will say.
Speaker 5: Though that super producer Ian did have a good idea
Speaker 5: of what Veckner's plan could be, which is what if
Speaker 5: he is merging dimension x slash the upside Down with
Speaker 5: the real world because in season four he needed to
Speaker 5: kill four people to open the four portals. So if
Speaker 5: he keeps killing people, will he just open up essentially
Speaker 5: a point where Hawkins and the Upside Down becomes the
Speaker 5: same and becomes one impossible?
Speaker 3: I think is really interesting, Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Would be interesting overall to like, again, what is his
Speaker 1: plan to do with Hawkins? Do you want to be
Speaker 1: mare of it?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: Are we are we nineteen sixty six? Like Batman stop Astralia,
Speaker 1: like I'll be mayor of the city now? Or is
Speaker 1: he is he trying to to sing? That's very joking, right,
Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see how that works out. I
Speaker 1: think for plans on this show, particularly this one, like
Speaker 1: to give the smallest bit of grace. These are people
Speaker 1: from Indiana with two hours to figure out how we're
Speaker 1: going to try to save some kids' lives, and we're
Speaker 1: not going to convince the wealthy Republicans or the military
Speaker 1: to adjust what they're doing to go along with us.
Speaker 1: So is it bananas? Yes? Here's what's really upsetting to
Speaker 1: me is nobody had like there's not a plan B.
Speaker 1: And that is always concerning to me like, so we're
Speaker 1: just gonna tunnel in right underneath the military and be fine,
Speaker 1: do we have any.
Speaker 2: Well, they're not going to tunnel in. The tunnels exist
Speaker 2: very conveniently. The tunnels are already there. Okay, wait, there
Speaker 2: is going to go into the tunnels.
Speaker 5: Sis brings up a big This brings up a big
Speaker 5: question for me.
Speaker 3: How pissed off are.
Speaker 5: You if you are the Duffer brothers and every single
Speaker 5: thing you are doing in this show is being done
Speaker 5: in it Welcome to darry On hbox tunnels under.
Speaker 3: The city, a spooky wall. There is a circle completely around.
Speaker 3: What is the motivation of Vecna? What is the motivation
Speaker 3: of Penny Wise?
Speaker 5: I feel like this is a badly timed release for
Speaker 5: Netflix because they could have never seen how it Welcomed
Speaker 5: to Terry would kind of be part of that feedback loop,
Speaker 5: right so sid both of.
Speaker 4: Them, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's interesting because well, listen,
Speaker 2: Stranger Things is the much bigger property. So I think
Speaker 2: you might be maybe you would argue that it's bad
Speaker 2: timing for Welcome to Jerry. That said, if we want
Speaker 2: to tell you, yes, if we find out that Vecna's
Speaker 2: plan is to make everyone scared so the kids taste delicious.
Speaker 3: That I'm fucking telling no. They already said that in
Speaker 3: one of these episodes. They said something.
Speaker 5: Where they were like, Vekna prefers it when people are scared,
Speaker 5: but he will also take them if they're not scared,
Speaker 5: like he and they mentioned something about the flight and
Speaker 5: I was like, no, this is too much, guys.
Speaker 3: I was like, you guys went too hard in on
Speaker 3: the Derry law this season. And obviously we.
Speaker 5: Are blessed because Welcome to Derry has incredible writing, incredible casting.
Speaker 5: I just think it's really interesting for the two to
Speaker 5: be coming out at the same time, and how many
Speaker 5: similarities there are with the tunnels and all this kind
Speaker 5: of stuff. Also, I just got to say, we talked
Speaker 5: about it, Welcome for Derry. We've critiqued this specific thing.
Speaker 5: We've had deep conversations about it because we care about it.
Speaker 5: But you know what, it Welcomed for Derry has indigenous
Speaker 5: characters who are a major part of the plotline. They
Speaker 5: introduced an indigenous character last year in the last season
Speaker 5: of Stranger Things.
Speaker 3: In season four, not last year. It's been a long time.
Speaker 5: I'm called angus I believe, and he was a fantastic
Speaker 5: character who was a pizza delivery boy, really popular, and
Speaker 5: they just never invited him back to the final season.
Speaker 5: So that's another thing where where Darry is working for me.
Speaker 2: Let's quickly talk about doctor k What does she want
Speaker 2: talk about?
Speaker 3: Mustache twirlings?
Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is like a just an
Speaker 2: evil kobookie dance par xcellence. She does, you know, in
Speaker 2: front of the bullet riddled bodies of like a dozen
Speaker 2: military people and creepy crawley tentacles and stuff, She's just like,
Speaker 2: now I'm gonna monologue my entire evil plan.
Speaker 4: What is clearly she was involved.
Speaker 2: I think in the original experiment she must have, because
Speaker 2: why else would Eleven feel so.
Speaker 4: Strongly about her? What is her deal?
Speaker 2: Like? What is what is she trying to do down there?
Speaker 2: And what are they trying to do with eight?
Speaker 5: I think, well, I think they're rounding up all the kids,
Speaker 5: and I think they're rounding up anyone who can lead
Speaker 5: them to eleven.
Speaker 3: And she essentially eleven.
Speaker 5: That was the closest Eleven's ever been to escaping was
Speaker 5: when she basically found her own family. So I think
Speaker 5: that yes, she's gonna be representing the military industrial complex
Speaker 5: their plans. But I do think if we're looking at
Speaker 5: Vekner's history, and as many of you have pointed out,
Speaker 5: including super producer Aaron, who will probably come on and
Speaker 5: talk about this as we cover the rest of the
Speaker 5: season when it drops, but this notion of how this
Speaker 5: connects to the Broadway play that recently came out, which
Speaker 5: has been one a massive success, but two is heavily
Speaker 5: about Vekna and Henry and Henry's childhood, and I think
Speaker 5: that she is going to be a connection to that.
Speaker 5: When Eleven says to her, I've seen what you did.
Speaker 5: I've seen what you've done, I think that Eleven knows
Speaker 5: that she was involved with it. And I also think
Speaker 5: that the caves are.
Speaker 3: Going to be.
Speaker 5: My feeling is wherever doctor k did the first experiments
Speaker 5: on Vecna or something. That's kind of my feeling is
Speaker 5: like before it was official, it was kind of this
Speaker 5: nightmarish space. Though I will tell you the reason the
Speaker 5: cave is really there is because it's to give Max
Speaker 5: a Lost Boys inspired hangout that's directly.
Speaker 3: The Caves from Lost Boys.
Speaker 5: But I think that the notion of why Vecna won't
Speaker 5: go there is because they there is this connection to
Speaker 5: doctor k and she needs Eleven. But why that's the
Speaker 5: biggest thing. She keeps saying she needs the girl, she
Speaker 5: needs Eleven. But what is it about eleven that is
Speaker 5: so much more powerful? What is it about eleven? Does
Speaker 5: she think Eleven can be that connection between the two
Speaker 5: worlds because Eleven has connections on the upside down and
Speaker 5: in the real world. I don't know, but I think
Speaker 5: it's clear she's going to be our true villain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting, I think I did you agree? I think
Speaker 1: she's the worst doctor Brent. I think a more dedicated
Speaker 1: has been here from the very first, Like her knowledge
Speaker 1: on the creature was so much more intense than we've
Speaker 1: seen for a while.
Speaker 3: She knows.
Speaker 1: That part too.
Speaker 2: We're not going to be this right where she's Vecna's mom.
Speaker 3: So I was thinking about that.
Speaker 1: So we have seen Henry's mom before, played by a
Speaker 1: different actress, but there is some years between when we
Speaker 1: saw her and now. She did not appear to be
Speaker 1: military in the flashback we saw, so I'm hoping that's
Speaker 1: not the case. Also, it's really annoying when like it's
Speaker 1: the evil mom we've seen it, and if you're not
Speaker 1: going to play into it early enough, like you're seeing
Speaker 1: it as it was at the end, really weak saw.
Speaker 1: So I'm really hoping it's not that. What I'm hoping
Speaker 1: is like we we haven't seen a lot of women
Speaker 1: in this space as would have been the time Sara,
Speaker 1: not a lot of women in the military, especially not
Speaker 1: in leadership positions as over her to Gardner as much
Speaker 1: respect and fear at this time, at her advanced age,
Speaker 1: means she's been kicking ass for a long long time.
Speaker 1: I wonder if she didn't give up. I don't want
Speaker 1: Vecna to be her kid. I wouldn't mind if she
Speaker 1: had given up a kid to the program at some
Speaker 1: point to be like, yeah, tests on my kid, Like
Speaker 1: this is how dedicated I am to the cause.
Speaker 3: That's interesting, Actually, I like that question.
Speaker 2: Why doesn't Vecna kill Will.
Speaker 4: For something?
Speaker 1: You were the first?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he needs him for something.
Speaker 3: Here's my baby.
Speaker 2: What if Vecna he wants his childhood back and he
Speaker 2: wants friends. He's getting a bunch of kids together that
Speaker 2: he can be friends with in his perfect little memory palace.
Speaker 2: But somebody's got to be Vecna. So he's gonna make
Speaker 2: Will be Vecna. Yes, and Will is going to be
Speaker 2: the evil side of him, and he can separate all
Speaker 2: the good pre Vecna Henry parts of him to be
Speaker 2: the parts that live in the memory.
Speaker 5: I think one thousand percent think that that is actually
Speaker 5: very correct Jason, because my understanding of the conflicts within
Speaker 5: the exponential law of the books and the plays and
Speaker 5: everything is that there was an internal battle inside Henry
Speaker 5: between good and evil, and he wanted to not go
Speaker 5: to dimension X and not become a monster. And I
Speaker 5: think the idea that he is essentially going to like
Speaker 5: Majus himself, like Adam Warlock did, where there is a
Speaker 5: separation between the evil and the good and he puts
Speaker 5: all of the evil into Will, I think is very interesting.
Speaker 5: I also think that maybe that's why he needed Will
Speaker 5: in the first place. He says, we're going to do
Speaker 5: such beautiful things together. Maybe he needs someone who can
Speaker 5: become the next Vekna. And because he knew Will had
Speaker 5: these kind of similar powers to him, and he could
Speaker 5: sense that he was able to kind of manifest them
Speaker 5: or encourage them within him through this horrific fight. I'm
Speaker 5: very interested how this can get wrapped up in a
Speaker 5: satisfying way.
Speaker 6: I just don't know if it can.
Speaker 5: Okay, wait wait wait wait, In that case, let's have
Speaker 5: some fun quickly, worst ending. What would the worst ending
Speaker 5: of this, worst twist, worst ending, worst tie in, what
Speaker 5: would be the worst version, and then we can it
Speaker 5: cannot be worst in that.
Speaker 2: For me, any kind of version of you know, the
Speaker 2: Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 4: It was all a dream.
Speaker 2: Oh god, oh god, yeah, absolutely horrendous, and.
Speaker 3: I hate that. I don't love that.
Speaker 1: Usually I am pro kill the kids here. I think
Speaker 1: if you start murdering off the kids, that it becomes like,
Speaker 1: especially after we get that nice like speech from Mike
Speaker 1: to his sister about like, you know, once once everything's done,
Speaker 1: like the party goes somewhere else and they rest together.
Speaker 1: But I think that's really got to be end goal.
Speaker 1: You framed it as kids are powerful and we're frequently
Speaker 1: getting happy endings. I think if they were to like
Speaker 1: renig on that and suddenly be like, actually it's a
Speaker 1: dark reality, it's gritty, I'd be like, don't know the
Speaker 1: whole time. Please just give these kids a happy ending.
Speaker 1: I can't stand it. What about you, Rosie, what's the
Speaker 1: worst possible ending?
Speaker 5: I think for me though, and sadly, I do think
Speaker 5: this could end up being the case. I think for me,
Speaker 5: the worst version of this is where Will suddenly becomes
Speaker 5: the ultimate kind of final Girl character, rather than it
Speaker 5: being a collaboration, because I think we've followed Elle and
Speaker 5: her powers for so long, and I think that I
Speaker 5: would I'm excited to see her and him fight together.
Speaker 5: Please put her in a different outfit. I know that's
Speaker 5: the Josh Broling Goonies outfit.
Speaker 3: I have watched it.
Speaker 5: I've seen the Goonies. I've seen the Goonies. He is
Speaker 5: sexy in that movie. I had a crush on him.
Speaker 3: I love the outfit.
Speaker 5: It is not looking great on Willie Bobby Brown. Please
Speaker 5: let her out of the outfit, but then let her
Speaker 5: and Will like fight alongside each other, use their powers together. Like,
Speaker 5: I want to see that inherent kind of connection because
Speaker 5: of the upside down that they never really got to have.
Speaker 3: I think that would be really cool. Yeah, if it
Speaker 3: ends up being.
Speaker 5: That, like Will saves the day kind of how it
Speaker 5: was though, the emotional beat of that worked where everyone
Speaker 5: got pulled back together. You thought it was going to
Speaker 5: be the most dark, dire moment, Everyone's gonna die. Will
Speaker 5: gets his powers. That's a huge triumphant moment. But now
Speaker 5: we've had that, how does he use them?
Speaker 3: We can't.
Speaker 5: That's not a surprise for the finale, now, you know.
Speaker 5: I guess that some of them would get powers. I
Speaker 5: hope we see more powers. Maybe Max post upside down powers.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would love to see Max with some powers.
Speaker 1: I think the whole house scene where they like where
Speaker 1: they're setting it up for the demo Gore going to
Speaker 1: come through. They've lured and they've cut out the big
Speaker 1: piece of the floor. What is that family going to
Speaker 1: think when they get back to their house and not
Speaker 1: only the drugged or there's a hole in our floor.
Speaker 1: Everything is smashed like it's gonna be a real root awakening.
Speaker 1: It seems like they have the money and it's the eighties.
Speaker 5: I think about this, think about other and this is
Speaker 5: good because this is a topic I did want to
Speaker 5: talk about because I gotta say as an outsider, and
Speaker 5: I'm sure it's the same as an American watching this stuff,
Speaker 5: but like, how many shows right in America do they
Speaker 5: love to put a town in quarantine?
Speaker 3: They be putting a town in quarantine.
Speaker 5: In every show Riverdale, there's a town in quarantine.
Speaker 3: The Blob a town in Qualifine.
Speaker 5: Going back to the old school, you know, last of
Speaker 5: us massive plot points about.
Speaker 4: Town quarantine, Buffy in quarantine.
Speaker 5: Sunnydale gets quarantined at one point, Like there is this
Speaker 5: cultural idea of the American Yeah, the Dome, the Americans
Speaker 5: coming in in the Simpsons movie, and it is this
Speaker 5: very interesting cultural trope and I'm so intrigued to know
Speaker 5: if it comes from a real history of that or
Speaker 5: if it's this kind of Cold War esque fear. But
Speaker 5: I do think that the whole fact that they are
Speaker 5: quarantined in this space and they cannot leave makes me
Speaker 5: wonder like if Joyce kidnapped my kid, I feel like
Speaker 5: the military would.
Speaker 3: Just shoot her in the head when they found out,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Like I can't quite get the duality of its military occupation,
Speaker 5: but you can just do whatever you want.
Speaker 4: With that kind of wide eyed look.
Speaker 3: You know, well you.
Speaker 4: I love my son.
Speaker 2: I think it's a common he's he's he's actually the
Speaker 2: the the dangerously cute dustin nothing nothing.
Speaker 4: The other nicknames.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: Police and uh are are very intense self reliance because
Speaker 1: well you noticed in these these bubble stories, not like
Speaker 1: the military is suddenly like at you door, demanding a
Speaker 1: bunch of things. It's like, you just can't leave. The
Speaker 1: military's in the population. They're like, we just need to
Speaker 1: segregate you and keep you within this space. But whatever
Speaker 1: you do in here, that's your guys' business, just don't
Speaker 1: bring it outside of here. So I really think that's
Speaker 1: sort of been the running thing. I was just gonna say,
Speaker 1: you know, when we're in that sort of like home
Speaker 1: alone house set up in everything. To me, that was
Speaker 1: a real showcase of like how the kids can work together.
Speaker 1: They were pretty successful as if we're looking at all
Speaker 1: of their plans on a scale like was the final
Speaker 1: shotgun a little slow to get off, Yes, but for
Speaker 1: the most part, mission accomplished, goal achieved, And that to
Speaker 1: me says that for their next plan, especially now that
Speaker 1: they have us super powered up, will hopefully Eleven's on
Speaker 1: her way back to the team.
Speaker 5: Fine.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have some good organized movements from
Speaker 1: the group going forward, and I'm looking forward to seeing that.
Speaker 2: I agree. I have one thing that I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: is gonna happen, since they absolutely teased it in these
Speaker 2: two episodes, Hopper getting.
Speaker 4: Hop is he can't wait to die. He let you
Speaker 4: know in this episode that he's he wants to go.
Speaker 4: He's thinking already to let go.
Speaker 1: Four times he says goodbye to Joys before he goes
Speaker 1: into the upside down. He gets a goodbye on the radio,
Speaker 1: and then he says goodbye and the door. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you. Gotta go.
Speaker 2: He's a look on his face when he has to
Speaker 2: come back open the door and be like, I didn't
Speaker 2: get to blow myself up, so disappointed. You just know
Speaker 2: when it comes time to close the final portal or
Speaker 2: whatever the thing is, it's gonna be hop running in
Speaker 2: there like Barry Sanders with his suicide vest On, and
Speaker 2: he cannot wait to do it.
Speaker 4: He can't wait.
Speaker 5: My dream scenario is the l gets to kill half
Speaker 5: because I do think he's a terrible dad.
Speaker 3: Now, is that gonna happen just because she's gonna kill him?
Speaker 5: No, bond, No, But what if he gets like possessed
Speaker 5: by the under well, then the dem Gorgans or something
Speaker 5: they have to and they have to blow him up
Speaker 5: and she has to.
Speaker 1: Blow how much power to let that happen? Got the
Speaker 1: power to undo? So it seems like Okay, that's a
Speaker 1: good point.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 2: I like well, five more episodes left. We're excited to
Speaker 2: talk about it. On the next episodes of X ray Vision,
Speaker 2: we're diving into the biggest.
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