WEBVTT - Stranger Things season 5, Episodes 3 & 4 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:00.520 Warning. 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:05.279 Today's episode containing spoilers for Stranger Things season five episodes 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:06.280 three and four. 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:24.240 You warned. Hello, my name is Jason. 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:27.800 Concepcion and I'm Rosie Night, and welcome back to Extra 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:29.000 Vision of the podcast. 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:30.840 We'd id for your favorite shows, movie. 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.400 Comics, and pop culture. Our podcasts were arid three episodes 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:35.560 a week, Sorry, busts. 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:40.320 In today's episode, we are recapping episodes three and four 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.360 of Stranger Things season five, the final season. 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:45.360 Then we will be bringing in Joel to. 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:48.400 Talk about all of our thoughts about this first chunk 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:49.880 of episodes. 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.040 And before we jump in, guys, quick production note. 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.320 This holiday season, we will be sharing a couple of 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.520 shorter stocking stuff for episodes with you. With so many 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:01.160 great shows, movies, books, and stuff coming out that we 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.120 want to explore, these episodes will help us cover a 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.520 little extra content we wouldn't be able to cover on 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.440 our normal episodes while covering all your favorite shows. We 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:11.360 had a first few episodes last week, and keep an 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:12.959 eye out for more through December. 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:23.520 But first, Stranger Things. Okay, Stranger Things season five, the 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:30.080 final season, Episode three, The Turnbow Trap, Hopper and Eleven 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:35.479 are wandering around in the upside Down. They're arguing about stuff, 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:42.679 wondering what to do next. Eleven really wants to kill Vecna. 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:46.160 They come. They're at this wall and they're like, what 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:48.560 the fuck is this thing? They don't understand what it is. 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:55.920 The wall doesn't respond to Eleven's powers. And also it 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.880 feels really bad, like in the in the vicinity of 0:01:58.880 --> 0:01:59.240 the wall. 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:05.240 Bad. Yes, the vibes are bad in the upside Down. 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.079 It's going unwell for them. 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:12.000 Back in Hawkins, the world has narrowed to a single farmhouse. 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:16.480 This is the Turnbow home and this will be a 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.400 huge moment for the Stranger Things kids as this is 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.360 a family taking and scared neighbors. The military are now 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.960 taking kids or searching for kids. There's a strange vibe 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:30.040 going on, and it is the Turnbows who give our 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:35.440 children the first real lead. And it is Derek Turnbow, 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.440 who people at school call dipshit Derek. He's got glasses, 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.320 he's wide eyed, he's in the wrong place at the 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:44.120 wrong time, and he. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:47.639 Is on the next name on Veckner's list. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:49.480 And we know that because of the cold open where 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.560 Vecna smiles at him in the Mister ws It position 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.480 seems like he's been using the mister wats itprinkling time 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:59.840 scheme for many children, and after Hollyweeler vanished without a trace, 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.400 nobody wants to see what happens next, So it's time he. 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:08.880 Should have yeah, used a different, different alias for everybody. 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.799 I feel it's making it too easy, like just as 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.360 many different creepy alias as you could have been from 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:15.320 kids books. 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:19.280 So our heroes come up with a truly insane plan 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:27.040 which involves going to the Turnbough Farm, getting everybody like drugged, 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:31.760 and then waiting for a dema Gorgan to show up, 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.880 tagging it with like a tracker tag, and following it 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:40.680 insane into the upside down. Uh, the demo Gorgon arrives, 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:47.280 but the plan immediately goes fucking crazy because not everybody 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:51.440 you know, Derek's not asleep, and the demo Gorgon realizes 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:55.960 that our heroes are there. Therefore Vecna realizes our heroes 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.000 are there. It looks like it's really not going to 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:02.280 go well. Steve hits the demo Gorgan with a car 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:07.200 and then the demo Gorgan like goes to flee through 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:12.320 the portal and leave, and the question is, like, what 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.760 what do we do now yes, where we didn't get 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:16.640 the tracker and the demo Gorgan and now the demo 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:17.440 Gorgan's gone. 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:20.520 And also the demo Gorgan seems to kind of like 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:22.320 maybe know the trap. 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:24.120 There's a whole weird thing there. 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.480 And we kind of get a feeling here why that 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:32.160 is as Will kind of freezes, not not shock, just 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:35.040 this kind of like crazy pulse that hits him from 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.960 the inside out, and it's a shockwave coming from deep 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.640 in the hive. His pencil snaps against his notebook and 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:46.239 suddenly sketching without looking. It's all very Godzilla X Kong, 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:50.800 New Empire or many other movies where somebody has sketched 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:51.400 the sixth sense. 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:52.200 I ever seen that one. 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.799 He's scribbling and the scribbles become shapes, and the shapes 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:56.080 become a window and through the window. 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:56.479 Huh. 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:00.479 None other than Definite New Stranger Things spin off lead. 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:04.760 Holy Wei Law live screaming, reaching for something just to 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.520 frame the Demigogan has it too. It pivots vanishes into 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:13.159 the nearest creepy door aka weird Gate aka portal, leaving 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:15.080 the kids gossiping and it's wake. 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:19.000 And then Steve gets a good idea based on like 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.280 a cookie that. 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.920 Soft inside storytelling. 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.600 I want the peanut line, peanut. 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.600 But he's like, hey, you know what the you know what, 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:34.119 the portal's kind of a peanut popper. What a peanut opper? 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:36.440 And they're like, what are you talking about? 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:37.320 You talking about. 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:43.000 I know it's a very very kind of weird way 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.760 to introduce the idea, Steve's idea of what if we 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.400 just ram the portal with the car, which they do. 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:52.440 So they ram the portal with the car and next 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:54.800 thing you know, they're in the upside down. Meanwhile, in 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:59.360 the upside down, Holly is wading around down. 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:00.800 There and. 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:07.760 She's she's like, uh, she hears there's a doorbell, and 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:10.719 there's a knock on the door, and then there's weird 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:14.200 things that are happening, and she's like walking out towards 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.240 the place that Vecna so Henry told her not to go, 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:22.080 and it's kind of like rock formation. And she gets 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:26.159 there and she thinks she sees like a monster maybe, 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:30.000 but and she's very very scared, but it's not a monster. 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:31.320 When she looks up. 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:41.200 It is Max Great Cliffhagger. I was actually like. 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.800 Okay, this is where I was like, I was truly like, 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:45.960 wait a minute, guys, maybe this should have been the 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:47.240 end of the fast chapter. 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.680 I feel like this would have hooked people to come back. 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.320 But it did make me watch the next episode, so 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:53.960 I get it, you know, like I want to hear 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:54.160 to know. 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.440 I can't wait for a discussion to talk about both 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:03.560 the drug, the Turnbow family, and like kidnap the kids 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:08.440 plan insane the very next plan in the next episode, 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:13.880 which is based wildly on the Great Escape. Let's take 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:33.320 a break back to talk about episode four. Okay, Episode four. 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:37.960 Sorcerer nice William Friedkin reference that yes, a little freakin 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:39.040 kind of freaking. 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:43.880 This episode begins with the idea that you know, the 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:48.760 government is basically losing, steadily losing control of the town. 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.320 There's attacks, there's all these things are happening. So they're 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.440 rounding up all the kids between a certain age group 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.120 who are left in town, of which they are like 0:07:56.160 --> 0:08:00.840 seventy something, and they round them up for protective custom 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:06.480 and our heroes realizing that the kids contacted by mister 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:10.400 What's at aka Henry Creole aka Vecna among them are 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:15.120 going to be important keys to accessing the upside down 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.120 so they can rescue Holly. They have to come up 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.480 with a plan in order to break these kids out 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:27.120 of Max containment. So based on the old timey movie 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:31.400 The Great Escape starrying Steve McQueen, they come up with 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:38.439 the truly fucking insane plan that involves using the conveniently 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:46.240 constructed tunnels that run under Hawkins to access the bunkers, 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:50.120 at which point they will using Derek Turnbow as an 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.640 inside agent, get the kids out. 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:59.520 Yes, absolutely crazy plan and also again like, this was 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.200 definitely one of those times where I was like, I 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:05.000 love a story about kids going up against adults and 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:10.040 adults being useless, but those stories are usually like ninety minutes. 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:10.880 Long in a slasher film. 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.840 This is a show that consistently pushes the boundaries of 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.800 making you not ask where are the adults, de joyce 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.000 and hop and not know like a single cool adult 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:21.120 that could help them, Like why are the only people 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.320 they can team up with like ten year olds? So 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:25.440 because the only people they can team up with are 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.920 in high school. They get about thirty percent into the 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.760 plan before it and revels security. 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.200 Titans truck shows up early. 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.520 Someone with a clipboard is counting and does a better 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.880 job of the family counting home alones own children because 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:39.520 they notice a. 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:40.960 Headcount that doesn't add up. 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.720 The soldiers are not confused in any way, shape or form. 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:49.800 When everything blows up, they are absolutely ready and boom, 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:53.360 flashlights pin the kids like insects, and suddenly the clean 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:58.360 rescue dissolves into shouting, sprinting, and the kids scattering through 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.200 the parking lot like a jail break at midnight. 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:07.560 Yes, the escape plan goes totally crazy. Meanwhile, Uh, in 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:11.439 the upside Down, Dustin figured they come to the wall. 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.560 They're at the wall. Our tracking team is in the 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:17.080 upside Down. There at the wall, Dustin does some math 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:20.880 that I don't actually understand, and I don't understand like 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:24.000 how he did it, but he figures out that. 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:27.040 The wall is. 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:31.760 A complete circle around Hawkins and at the perfect center 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:36.240 of the circle is the Hawkins lap. Meanwhile, inside the 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.920 upside Down, Hopin or eleven are fighting their way through 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:45.000 the secret military facility that they believe houses. Vecna Ale's 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:49.280 powers are kind of like not working because of some 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:54.240 kind of like frequency or power inhibitor or thing that 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:58.559 they're hop In her calling her kryptonite. But that's fine 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:04.080 because Hopper like kills fifty people in the course of 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:07.880 the two episodes. He's just like gunning down. He guns 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.200 down so many people. In this episode, he's very comes out. 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.120 About being put in the goo lags for sure. 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:16.359 He's very very upset. 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:18.600 Doctor K is there. 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.760 Doctor K captures him for a second, but they figure 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:28.120 that all out and Uh eleven is basically incapacitated, and 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.720 Hopper goes to the room where they believe Vecna is. 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:34.760 It's behind this big metal door and he opens it 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.079 up and he's like, Okay, Eleven, you're gonna get out 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.720 of here. Head that way. I'm going to go in 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.440 there and deal with this. And she touches like she's like, 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.679 what do you have inside your jacket? And you look 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:49.640 in there and he's got like a true suicide vest. Yes, 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.720 and he is ready to go in there and suicide 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:55.480 vest himself while thinking about his. 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:56.840 Daughter who died. 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:01.880 But it turns out that's completely unnecessary because it's not 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:06.160 Vecna in there. And I think one of the most 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:12.360 satisfying yes, like Easter Egg Loop closes of the series. 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:15.200 This is from like season two. 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:16.440 Right where they talk season three. 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:20.720 Yeah, season two or three. I mean, it's not Vecna 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:21.160 in there. 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:26.800 It's eight eleven, sister number eight h chugging. 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.600 Just guys, I told you it would come back, and 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:31.880 I have to say it has come back. 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:33.239 I love this plotline. 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.439 I was very excited to see this, and the lost 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:40.240 threads of the episode essentially pull us back into the 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:44.640 mind scape where we learn that how Max has been 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:49.319 surviving is it's like an exception. It's really interesting essentially, 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:54.240 as we know, Vecna's built a kind of physical mind 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:58.079 palace within the upside down that feels appealing to kids 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.640 like Holly, to kids like Derek. Is this kind of 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:05.920 beautiful house, but we know that the kids are ultimately 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.800 dying in their Max has not died because Max has 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:12.240 found a cave which Vecna is too scared to go into. 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.880 It's a memory he doesn't want to return to. And 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:17.840 Max is obviously going to be our. 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:19.959 Big, badass heroes here. 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.880 And we see that while Holly is terrified, Max is 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:28.120 like fucking ready and something is waking up above them. 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.040 We don't know what it is, but something is changing. 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:34.200 There is this strange kind of almost a shiver in 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.880 the world. And then we go back up to the 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.120 top and we see what has changed. 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.719 So at the macv The walls between like Hawkins and 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.160 the upside Down are super super thin now, so demogorgans 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:51.319 are like pouring out of mortals. They're taking on the soldiers. 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.440 It's a Seesaw battle in it. You feel like the 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:58.160 soldiers actually might fight them off, especially when they come 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.840 out with the flamethrowers and they start burning the demo organs. 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:05.120 And Will, who is his connection to these upside down 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:08.040 creatures now, is so strong that he feels like he's 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:12.720 burning when the demo Gorgans are burning. And then just 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.880 when it seems like, oh, maybe the human's got this, 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:19.520 Vecna shows up that it looks very muscular and viny. 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.720 Now I know everyone was cracking me up. He looked 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:24.800 like his waist is snatched, like he was like a 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.800 drag queen, like compared to the Fast Season. Now he's 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:28.720 like fabulous. 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:34.000 He shows up and he kills a guy by like 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.160 shoving his little roots through the back of his head. 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:36.880 It's very gross. 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:38.880 And then he picks up Will and he's like Will 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:41.720 and it basically says like I want to thank you 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:47.680 because when I broke you, I realized like how easy 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:51.280 it is to break kids. They're so weak, and that's 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.200 the key. I hope this is the key to my 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.280 whole plan now to target the kids because the kids 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.080 are so fucking weak. And meanwhile, the Demo Gordons are 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:03.760 like leading off the ca kids, and so Vecna's like, okay, 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.480 well that's why I'm doing this and it's all thanks 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:09.240 to you, and then he goes off, follows the Demo 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:14.640 Gorgans away, and the Demo Gorgans are in the process 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:19.680 of like just being about to kill all of Will's friends, Lucas, everybody, 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:21.600 like the people in the tunnels, like it's just about 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:25.040 to be a fucking slaughter. And then Will, like Neo 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:30.880 and the Matrix realizes upon reflecting on the words that 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.760 Robin shared with him when they had their little talk 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.960 about the fact that they're both gay. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.720 And also he's like basically an antenna and that was. 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:43.640 Yes. 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:47.960 He realizes that actually, like Mike was right, there is 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.160 a connection with the Demo Gorgans and I can actually 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.840 control them. And he freezes the Demo Gorgans in mid air, 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:58.840 snapping their necks and is standing there with his eyes 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:03.040 rolled back, looking super super powerful and terrifying, and that 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:08.000 is the end of the Mirama finale of Stranger Things, 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.920 the final season. Let's take a quick break and bring. 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.000 In Joel, super producer Joel. 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:32.440 And talk about these episodes. All right, Welcome to the episode, Joel. 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:39.600 Joelle, it makes sense. It makes sense. 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:43.520 So many things to talk about in these episodes, so 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.720 many like things that I loved that I didn't we 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:49.760 didn't even talk about in the recap, such as Eleven's 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:54.800 idea that the soldier whose name I forget must know 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.120 what the wall is because he peede on it. 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:01.680 Yeah, she logic. 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.680 She still has not been taught how to exist in 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:09.719 like the real human world outside of the institution. 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.200 And I blame that solely on Hopa. I got problems 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.520 with this kid logic. 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:18.440 But Joelle, your thoughts on these two episodes and then 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:19.400 the season thus far. 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.879 Yeah, the first two episodes were a slog for me, 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.840 real difficult to get through. I was literally got three 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.600 and four because I was like, here we are, We're 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:33.040 in it. Stuff is happening. I'm liking the new Kids 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:37.240 quite a lot. I'm not as on the Derek fanboard 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.919 as some other people are. I still, you know, he's okay, 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.919 Derek's fine. I like Holly, though, I like Little Sister. 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:48.080 I love her outfit to explore the woods one hundred percent. 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:50.720 You aced it girls so cute, love your color theory, 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:55.080 and I like her, like her connection to D and 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.400 D and like being a new like sort of lover 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.160 of it and kind of learning about it. I think 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:01.720 that's really cute. I thought the action and these sequences 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.359 were great. I was a little nervous about them splitting 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:08.560 everybody up at first, uh, because I think it works 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:12.399 better when our main group of kids is together. But 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.040 it's been working out, okay, Like we're learning a little 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:18.240 bit about eleven. All right, I'll take it. My boys 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.280 are not happy together right now, Steve and Dustin, and 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:24.400 I need them to figure it out. Ace. Actually, I'm 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.080 not okay with them not being good together. 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:31.560 Well, sad, Can I just say one thing very quickly, Dustin? 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.320 Why is Dustin so fucking mean this season? 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:35.320 Right? Okay? 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:39.280 Like, Like I get that he's obviously he's having a 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:40.840 hard time in the wake of Eddie's death, and I 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:46.640 get that, but it constantly manifesting is like being an 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:48.000 asshole to his friends. 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:50.400 It's like, Dustin. 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:55.359 Is it because he's sure he everybody else drew up 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:57.400 and not really tall and Dustin. 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:08.040 Okay, I am sure, I'm angry, so fair. 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:11.000 No, I think this is a good read, guys, because 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.119 I do think it's one of the weak aspects of 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.560 the two chunks. 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:16.120 That we've gotten so far. 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.200 I do think they're leaning a little bit more into 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.840 things people don't want. People want Dustin and Steve to 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.240 be friends. Four episodes is enough time for them to 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.159 wrap it up and come back together. I don't want 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.879 to see Steve have to you know, kill himself to 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.280 save Dustin, to prove that he's, you know, a good friend. 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.320 I also think that they're trying to do something around 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:37.960 the nuance of when you are bullied, you can. 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.679 Become a bully, or you can become cruel, or you can. 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:42.600 Become in But the show does not have enough time 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:44.080 for those kind of plot points. 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:44.439 Guys. 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.399 There is not enough nuance and juice there. Get to 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.240 the fights, get to Dustin doing more cool maths and 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.840 being a genius. That was always a great plot point 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:56.119 him in it. Steve was so funny together as himbos Joelle. 0:19:56.200 --> 0:20:00.399 Other big takeaways from the first four episodes. 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:05.680 Uh Robin a top tier character. I'm really loving her. 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:09.520 I will say. I was concerned about the queerness of 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:11.520 it all. You know, we've had little hints in the 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:13.080 past and we were there. It felt like they were like, 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:14.960 we're not gonna really go there, but we'll just we'll 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.360 just queer bait you a little bit. This season they said, 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:18.080 no queer baiting. 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:20.359 We're all full full till it's it's. 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:22.520 Gay as hell, and the gabies are uniting to figure 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:26.000 out their shit and like lesbian support. I want to 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.119 troll mom, I said it, but it's kind of getting me. Guys, 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:30.399 I'm kind of really feeling the vibes of being like, 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.520 it's not about your because because accurately your first crush, 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.680 no matter your orientation, it feels like, oh, it's a 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:38.639 lot about them, has nothing to do with them. It's 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:41.359 all about you discovering a lot about yourself. And I 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.000 was like, oh, that's not really a coming out story. 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.080 We get a lot of we get a lot of 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:48.360 like my parents don't understand me. We get a lot 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:50.719 of like society doesn't enjoy me, but we don't get 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:53.320 a lot of Hey, like that is still your friend, 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:55.800 but it's not really about him. This is about you, 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.680 like center on yourself, your power culture. Then I was like, oh, man, 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:00.920 I like Will that much, but this story is bringing 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:03.040 me around on him. That's kind of got me excited 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.040 for where they're going to go from here. 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:11.560 I really like the elder queer conversation because I don't 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:13.199 think we get that a lot. I don't think we 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:16.399 get a lot of, like, especially in genre stories, space 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:18.640 for queer kids to be like kind to each other 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:19.640 or help each other. 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:21.919 So I love that also, was it just me? 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:26.520 I feel like in episode four they were absolutely like 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:29.840 making it seem like there was a thing between Mike 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:34.800 and Will, like when that conversations kind of crush on Mike, yes, 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:37.160 for a long time. But what I'm saying is in 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:40.320 that moment when Mike kind of starts to have ideas 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:43.760 about Will's powers, there's this awkward kind of interplay and 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:46.960 Will even like Mike like touches his shoulder and Will 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:48.200 kind of moves away. 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:51.160 And I just I think they might actually go there. 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:52.600 I don't think I think. 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:55.480 You might get at most a confession of I have 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:57.520 liked you, and he'll be like, that's so great, bro, 0:21:57.640 --> 0:21:58.560 We're still friends. 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:01.800 They kind at the end. 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.240 Of like they kind of did that end of season three, 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:07.840 Season four, like have this. I think that at least 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:13.200 I think that's gonna be an attempted kiss. That's why 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:16.640 I think, because I saw I saw a little maybe 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:20.520 at the end of the world, you know, between them, 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:21.359 a little flirtation. 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:26.480 I'm here, Yes, I'm just finally. I'm glad Max is back. 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:27.639 We needed our girl. 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:31.800 Uh really elevates this cast quite a lot, and she 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:36.240 brings interesting angle into the story. I think, like Holly 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:40.000 being in this sort of like VECNA bubble, Uh and 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:43.280 then Max were bursting that bubble. I think it makes 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:45.840 the world like really interesting. And it also because the 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:50.280