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Speaker 1: Warning.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode containing spoilers for Stranger Things season five episodes

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Speaker 2: three and four.

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Speaker 3: You warned. Hello, my name is Jason.

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Speaker 2: Concepcion and I'm Rosie Night, and welcome back to Extra

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Speaker 2: Vision of the podcast.

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Speaker 4: We'd id for your favorite shows, movie.

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Speaker 2: Comics, and pop culture. Our podcasts were arid three episodes

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Speaker 2: a week, Sorry, busts.

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Speaker 5: In today's episode, we are recapping episodes three and four

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Speaker 5: of Stranger Things season five, the final season.

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Speaker 3: Then we will be bringing in Joel to.

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Speaker 5: Talk about all of our thoughts about this first chunk

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Speaker 5: of episodes.

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Speaker 3: And before we jump in, guys, quick production note.

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Speaker 5: This holiday season, we will be sharing a couple of

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Speaker 5: shorter stocking stuff for episodes with you. With so many

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Speaker 5: great shows, movies, books, and stuff coming out that we

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Speaker 5: want to explore, these episodes will help us cover a

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Speaker 5: little extra content we wouldn't be able to cover on

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Speaker 5: our normal episodes while covering all your favorite shows. We

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Speaker 5: had a first few episodes last week, and keep an

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Speaker 5: eye out for more through December.

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Speaker 2: But first, Stranger Things. Okay, Stranger Things season five, the

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Speaker 2: final season, Episode three, The Turnbow Trap, Hopper and Eleven

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Speaker 2: are wandering around in the upside Down. They're arguing about stuff,

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Speaker 2: wondering what to do next. Eleven really wants to kill Vecna.

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Speaker 2: They come. They're at this wall and they're like, what

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Speaker 2: the fuck is this thing? They don't understand what it is.

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Speaker 2: The wall doesn't respond to Eleven's powers. And also it

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Speaker 3: Bad. Yes, the vibes are bad in the upside Down.

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Speaker 3: It's going unwell for them.

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Speaker 5: Back in Hawkins, the world has narrowed to a single farmhouse.

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Speaker 5: This is the Turnbow home and this will be a

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Speaker 5: huge moment for the Stranger Things kids as this is

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Speaker 5: a family taking and scared neighbors. The military are now

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Speaker 5: taking kids or searching for kids. There's a strange vibe

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Speaker 5: going on, and it is the Turnbows who give our

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Speaker 5: children the first real lead. And it is Derek Turnbow,

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Speaker 5: who people at school call dipshit Derek. He's got glasses,

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Speaker 5: he's wide eyed, he's in the wrong place at the

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Speaker 3: Is on the next name on Veckner's list.

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Speaker 5: And we know that because of the cold open where

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Speaker 5: Vecna smiles at him in the Mister ws It position

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Speaker 5: seems like he's been using the mister wats itprinkling time

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Speaker 5: scheme for many children, and after Hollyweeler vanished without a trace,

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Speaker 5: nobody wants to see what happens next, So it's time he.

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Speaker 2: Should have yeah, used a different, different alias for everybody.

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Speaker 5: I feel it's making it too easy, like just as

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Speaker 5: many different creepy alias as you could have been from

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Speaker 2: So our heroes come up with a truly insane plan

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Speaker 2: which involves going to the Turnbough Farm, getting everybody like drugged,

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Speaker 2: but the plan immediately goes fucking crazy because not everybody

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Speaker 2: and then the demo Gorgan like goes to flee through

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Speaker 5: And also the demo Gorgan seems to kind of like

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Speaker 3: None other than Definite New Stranger Things spin off lead.

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Speaker 2: But he's like, hey, you know what the you know what,

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Speaker 4: And they're like, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: So they ram the portal with the car and next

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Speaker 4: It is Max Great Cliffhagger. I was actually like.

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Speaker 6: Okay, this is where I was like, I was truly like,

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Speaker 3: I feel like this would have hooked people to come back.

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Speaker 5: But it did make me watch the next episode, so

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Speaker 2: I can't wait for a discussion to talk about both

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Speaker 2: which is based wildly on the Great Escape. Let's take

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Speaker 2: so they can rescue Holly. They have to come up

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Speaker 2: The Great Escape starrying Steve McQueen, they come up with

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Speaker 2: the truly fucking insane plan that involves using the conveniently

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Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely crazy plan and also again like, this was

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Speaker 3: Long in a slasher film.

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Speaker 5: This is a show that consistently pushes the boundaries of

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Speaker 5: Someone with a clipboard is counting and does a better

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Speaker 3: Headcount that doesn't add up.

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Speaker 5: The soldiers are not confused in any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 5: When everything blows up, they are absolutely ready and boom,

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Speaker 2: Yes, the escape plan goes totally crazy. Meanwhile, Uh, in

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Speaker 2: A complete circle around Hawkins and at the perfect center

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Speaker 2: what do you have inside your jacket? And you look

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Speaker 2: in there and he's got like a true suicide vest. Yes,

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Speaker 2: But it turns out that's completely unnecessary because it's not

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Speaker 2: This is from like season two.

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Speaker 4: Right where they talk season three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, season two or three. I mean, it's not Vecna

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Speaker 4: It's eight eleven, sister number eight h chugging.

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Speaker 5: Just guys, I told you it would come back, and

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Speaker 5: I have to say it has come back.

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Speaker 3: I love this plotline.

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Speaker 5: I was very excited to see this, and the lost

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Speaker 5: mind scape where we learn that how Max has been

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Speaker 5: as we know, Vecna's built a kind of physical mind

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Speaker 5: palace within the upside down that feels appealing to kids

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Speaker 5: It's a memory he doesn't want to return to. And

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Speaker 2: the final season. Let's take a quick break and bring.

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Speaker 4: In Joel, super producer Joel.

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Speaker 2: And talk about these episodes. All right, Welcome to the episode, Joel.

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Speaker 3: Joelle, it makes sense. It makes sense.

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Speaker 2: So many things to talk about in these episodes, so

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she logic.

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Speaker 5: She still has not been taught how to exist in

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Speaker 3: And I blame that solely on Hopa. I got problems

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Speaker 2: But Joelle, your thoughts on these two episodes and then

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the first two episodes were a slog for me,

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Speaker 1: bit about eleven. All right, I'll take it. My boys

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Speaker 2: Well, sad, Can I just say one thing very quickly, Dustin?

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Speaker 2: Why is Dustin so fucking mean this season?

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Speaker 1: Right? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Like, Like I get that he's obviously he's having a

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Speaker 1: Is it because he's sure he everybody else drew up

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Speaker 5: No, I think this is a good read, guys, because

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Speaker 5: things people don't want. People want Dustin and Steve to

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 5: There is not enough nuance and juice there. Get to

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Speaker 1: Uh Robin a top tier character. I'm really loving her.

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Speaker 3: We're all full full till it's it's.

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Speaker 1: Gay as hell, and the gabies are uniting to figure

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Speaker 1: troll mom, I said it, but it's kind of getting me. Guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of really feeling the vibes of being like,

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Speaker 1: We get a lot of we get a lot of

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Speaker 5: I really like the elder queer conversation because I don't

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Speaker 5: I feel like in episode four they were absolutely like

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Speaker 3: And I just I think they might actually go there.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I think.

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Speaker 1: You might get at most a confession of I have

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Speaker 1: We're still friends.

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Speaker 4: They kind at the end.

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Speaker 5: Season four, like have this. I think that at least

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Speaker 5: I think that's gonna be an attempted kiss. That's why

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Speaker 1: I'm here, Yes, I'm just finally. I'm glad Max is back.

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Speaker 4: We needed our girl.

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Speaker 1: Uh really elevates this cast quite a lot, and she

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Speaker 1: I love fighting two big bads on two separate fronts.

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Speaker 1: Going into this last we have two more batches of episodes.

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Speaker 1: I think it gives us a lot to go on.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen next. I have like

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Speaker 5: This is actually something that me and Jason talked about

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Speaker 5: generally this show is relatively predictable because it's taking from

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Speaker 5: is the familiarity. But they are blowing that up this season,

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Speaker 3: Do not know where this is going to go. I

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Speaker 5: You, guys, Joelle, where are we going with what Vecna wants?

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Speaker 5: Like he's gonna kill these kids, He's gonna connect to

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Speaker 3: That's the big question here. Okay, what do you think

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Speaker 1: Vegna has gone full mustache twirly. I'm not sure how

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Speaker 1: they were like, kids are so vulnerable and so easy

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 3: He's bad.

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Speaker 1: Did it feel like overkilled you? Or did it it

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Speaker 4: The show is.

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Speaker 4: because it's not we're not.

442
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: It was the first real explanation from Vecna about like

443
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 2: what he's doing, and I think we need more. I'm

444
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: hoping that in this back half the back five, we

445
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: will get more Vecna monologues.

446
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, let me ask you about that. Actually, I think

447
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 5: you make a great point, Joelle. The thing I'm interested

448
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 5: in is that the truth of like Vector's experience or

449
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 5: is that really like Vector saying that shit to fuck

450
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 5: with will, because that's obviously what the people at.

451
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 3: Hawkins's Lab thought about kids, you know that.

452
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 5: I think they're trying to do some kind of trauma

453
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 5: cycle here because he was like tortured and put into

454
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 5: that space by the government, and I wonder if they're

455
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 5: doing some kind of thing where he doesn't really feel

456
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 5: that way, or there is gonna be more of a

457
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 5: complexity to it, because I think his interest in the

458
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 5: kids and where he puts them, and the way that

459
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 5: someone like Holly gets put in that beautiful house that

460
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 5: isn't scary and he wants to lure her in, but

461
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 5: then someone like Will just gets used as like a

462
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 5: scary human battery. I just think there's some really interesting

463
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 5: complexities and layers there that we.

464
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 3: Could get into.

465
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 5: But the monologue personally didn't work for me just because

466
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 5: of this. Really, Like Jason said, I do think that

467
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 5: the point is so that Will can then be like

468
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 5: I am strong, and that goes back to that predictability.

469
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 5: It doesn't necessarily feel like I love a monologue where

470
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 5: a villain just gives away his whole plan because he

471
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 5: thinks it's such a good plan. You know, Vecna didn't

472
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 5: have that confidence here.

473
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: Vekna's plan.

474
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 5: We still don't know what it is, and I still

475
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 5: don't really believe in any way, shape or form that

476
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 5: the government is collecting the kids or saving the kids

477
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 5: for any kind of good reason. I think they're trying

478
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 5: to once again work out how to militarize these kids

479
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 5: against Vekna. So I'm very interested to see if the

480
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 5: finale is kind of like a anti military, anti VECNA

481
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 5: kind of free for all, and then it's about Hawkins

482
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 5: taking back Hawkins as like a community. I don't know

483
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 5: I'm very interested because the final episode is gonna show.

484
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 3: The finale will show on.

485
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 5: The big screen on December thirty first and January first,

486
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,479
Speaker 5: and they're showing it at like five hundred cinemas. Some

487
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 5: are doing free screening, some are not. That's got to

488
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 5: be a crazy episode because I was watching the episode

489
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 5: last night, episode four, and even though it is a

490
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 5: great lots of great action sequences, I watch it on

491
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 5: my projector and it definitely looks bad if you watch

492
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 5: it on your TV.

493
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 3: The projector's fun because.

494
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 5: Big, and it feels embracing and you're in the action,

495
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 5: but it feels like you're also seeing too much that

496
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 5: they don't want you to see, of the kind of

497
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 5: stuff that isn't maybe as clean or is it, you know,

498
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 5: some of the little bits and bobs that they want

499
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 5: to hide in the action. I want to know what

500
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 5: that finale looks like and whether it's gonna hurt or

501
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 5: help it to be in the movie theaters. I will

502
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 5: be there on January first because they're doing a free

503
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 5: screening at the Egyptian. I'm taking a couple of friends

504
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 5: of mine who loved the show, but like, I don't

505
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 5: know if it's gonna hurt it or help it, Like,

506
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 5: do you guys have any feeling on that.

507
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: I think it will matter because it's the finale and

508
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: so there's nowhere to go.

509
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 3: I think it's just.

510
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: An opportunity to sort of if you've been a lifelong fan,

511
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: to sort of like lifelong, if you've embraced the show

512
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: songs it's been on, you can go with your friends

513
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: and sort of watch and conclusion. I think for Vecna's

514
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: like big, it'll be interesting because like what we learn

515
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: in episode four is like, Okay, he's basically created a

516
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: circle in the upside down that's impenetrable by either military

517
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: or you know, Eleven's powers. So you can't stab it,

518
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: you can't mind wipe it away. It's solid. We know

519
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: that in some way by the canyon, something has happened

520
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: there that he's not approaching. We know you can kind

521
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: of live in his memory. Yeah, and we know you

522
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: kind of live inside of his memories. I'm wondering if

523
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: you sort of making me upside down a physical memory

524
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: palace that he can sort of because he can also

525
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: change his body, like when he appears to Holly, he's

526
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: fully formed as Henry. I think he's trying to create

527
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: an all world. At least that would be the most

528
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 1: interesting thing to me, because I'm not really interested in

529
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: like destruction. For destruction's sake, it dries up. But you

530
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: all screwed up my world and stole my childhood. So

531
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: I'm bringing a bunch of children into a protected space

532
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: where I can relive not just my childhood, but it's

533
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: in a pristine sort of way, and in a way

534
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: that I wish it had been. That to me is

535
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: a fascin interesting Yeah, exactly exactly, And I think too,

536
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: I'm also interested in Max makes a big deal about

537
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: the music and physical touch being the thing that was

538
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: going to be able to bring her back to the

539
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: real world, And the first thing we see Henry give

540
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: Holly is a tape that she immediately starts playing and

541
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: connects to you. And I'm wondering if music can be

542
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: both a savior and an anchor to this world in

543
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: a way that maybe will allow her not to escape.

544
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm skeptical of Holly's spy abilities. She's doing good so far,

545
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: but can you send her back into that house with.

546
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 4: All of this knowledge?

547
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: Can we talk about all of the different game plans

548
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: that were set up, and we had a lot of.

549
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: We got to talk about because these are the most

550
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: cock they're cock may me cock ma fuck plants. I

551
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: mean the first one in episode three where it's like, Okay,

552
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna go to the Turnbo farm, We're gonna drug everyone,

553
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: and then we're gonna kidnap the kids. And Joyce is

554
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: like straight up like, yes, this is a kidnapping, but

555
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: hear me.

556
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 7: Out Erica into Dexter, They're like, take us syringe if

557
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 7: they don't eat the pie.

558
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: Okay.

559
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 5: I do love Erica, though Erica in the next America

560
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 5: PepsiCo dude, Erica is like when she's so ready.

561
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 6: She said, Tina, I told you to eat that pie

562
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 6: ohever and then she gives out the injection, like insane plan,

563
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 6: especially because I feel like the fact that Hawkins is

564
00:30:54,680 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 6: under military occupation means that you could go to the

565
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 6: Tombous and go, hey, guys, we need Derek.

566
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 3: There's some fucked up shit going on. We know more

567
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: about it. His blah blah blah.

568
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 5: I feel like you could have convinced them because so

569
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 5: much we had stuff's going on. Drugging them and stealing

570
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 5: that kid's bad idea, just like extremely bad idea, never

571
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 5: gonna walk out well.

572
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: And then there's episode four with this like kakamamie great

573
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: escape plan that involves accessing the tunnels. Thank god the

574
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: tunnels run in the way they do, figuring out, sending

575
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: Derek in as like an inside agent to round up

576
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: all the mister What's it contacts into one place, break

577
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: in through the bottom of the bathroom, and then quietly

578
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 2: whisk away all the what's it kids out of the tunnels. Crazily,

579
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: this does not work because of a snitch. We can

580
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: talk about that if.

581
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: You want this plan as well.

582
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 4: I'm like, what are we doing?

583
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: Guess okay, lazy, I got as. There has been a

584
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: lot of bad plans because like also remember.

585
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 5: That, like the third season there was kind of this

586
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 5: weird like the Russians are gonna take over America via

587
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 5: four like via the upside Down. Is like, there's been

588
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 5: many plans throughout this and they never go particularly well.

589
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 3: Honestly, Stranger Things is a history of terrible plans. I

590
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: will say.

591
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 5: Though that super producer Ian did have a good idea

592
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 5: of what Veckner's plan could be, which is what if

593
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 5: he is merging dimension x slash the upside Down with

594
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 5: the real world because in season four he needed to

595
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 5: kill four people to open the four portals. So if

596
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 5: he keeps killing people, will he just open up essentially

597
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 5: a point where Hawkins and the Upside Down becomes the

598
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 5: same and becomes one impossible?

599
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: I think is really interesting, Yeah, and.

600
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: Would be interesting overall to like, again, what is his

601
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: plan to do with Hawkins? Do you want to be

602
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: mare of it?

603
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 5: Right?

604
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: Are we are we nineteen sixty six? Like Batman stop Astralia,

605
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: like I'll be mayor of the city now? Or is

606
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: he is he trying to to sing? That's very joking, right,

607
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see how that works out. I

608
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: think for plans on this show, particularly this one, like

609
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: to give the smallest bit of grace. These are people

610
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: from Indiana with two hours to figure out how we're

611
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: going to try to save some kids' lives, and we're

612
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: not going to convince the wealthy Republicans or the military

613
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: to adjust what they're doing to go along with us.

614
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: So is it bananas? Yes? Here's what's really upsetting to

615
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: me is nobody had like there's not a plan B.

616
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: And that is always concerning to me like, so we're

617
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: just gonna tunnel in right underneath the military and be fine,

618
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: do we have any.

619
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: Well, they're not going to tunnel in. The tunnels exist

620
00:33:55,080 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: very conveniently. The tunnels are already there. Okay, wait, there

621
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: is going to go into the tunnels.

622
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 5: Sis brings up a big This brings up a big

623
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 5: question for me.

624
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 3: How pissed off are.

625
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 5: You if you are the Duffer brothers and every single

626
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 5: thing you are doing in this show is being done

627
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 5: in it Welcome to darry On hbox tunnels under.

628
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: The city, a spooky wall. There is a circle completely around.

629
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: What is the motivation of Vecna? What is the motivation

630
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 3: of Penny Wise?

631
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 5: I feel like this is a badly timed release for

632
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 5: Netflix because they could have never seen how it Welcomed

633
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 5: to Terry would kind of be part of that feedback loop,

634
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 5: right so sid both of.

635
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 4: Them, you know what I mean?

636
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's interesting because well, listen,

637
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: Stranger Things is the much bigger property. So I think

638
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: you might be maybe you would argue that it's bad

639
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: timing for Welcome to Jerry. That said, if we want

640
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: to tell you, yes, if we find out that Vecna's

641
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: plan is to make everyone scared so the kids taste delicious.

642
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 3: That I'm fucking telling no. They already said that in

643
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 3: one of these episodes. They said something.

644
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 5: Where they were like, Vekna prefers it when people are scared,

645
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 5: but he will also take them if they're not scared,

646
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 5: like he and they mentioned something about the flight and

647
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 5: I was like, no, this is too much, guys.

648
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 3: I was like, you guys went too hard in on

649
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 3: the Derry law this season. And obviously we.

650
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 5: Are blessed because Welcome to Derry has incredible writing, incredible casting.

651
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 5: I just think it's really interesting for the two to

652
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 5: be coming out at the same time, and how many

653
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 5: similarities there are with the tunnels and all this kind

654
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 5: of stuff. Also, I just got to say, we talked

655
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 5: about it, Welcome for Derry. We've critiqued this specific thing.

656
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 5: We've had deep conversations about it because we care about it.

657
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 5: But you know what, it Welcomed for Derry has indigenous

658
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 5: characters who are a major part of the plotline. They

659
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 5: introduced an indigenous character last year in the last season

660
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 5: of Stranger Things.

661
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: In season four, not last year. It's been a long time.

662
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 5: I'm called angus I believe, and he was a fantastic

663
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 5: character who was a pizza delivery boy, really popular, and

664
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 5: they just never invited him back to the final season.

665
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 5: So that's another thing where where Darry is working for me.

666
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: Let's quickly talk about doctor k What does she want

667
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 2: talk about?

668
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 3: Mustache twirlings?

669
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is like a just an

670
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: evil kobookie dance par xcellence. She does, you know, in

671
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: front of the bullet riddled bodies of like a dozen

672
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: military people and creepy crawley tentacles and stuff, She's just like,

673
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 2: now I'm gonna monologue my entire evil plan.

674
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 4: What is clearly she was involved.

675
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 2: I think in the original experiment she must have, because

676
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 2: why else would Eleven feel so.

677
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 4: Strongly about her? What is her deal?

678
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: Like? What is what is she trying to do down there?

679
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: And what are they trying to do with eight?

680
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 5: I think, well, I think they're rounding up all the kids,

681
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 5: and I think they're rounding up anyone who can lead

682
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 5: them to eleven.

683
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 3: And she essentially eleven.

684
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 5: That was the closest Eleven's ever been to escaping was

685
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 5: when she basically found her own family. So I think

686
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 5: that yes, she's gonna be representing the military industrial complex

687
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 5: their plans. But I do think if we're looking at

688
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 5: Vekner's history, and as many of you have pointed out,

689
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 5: including super producer Aaron, who will probably come on and

690
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 5: talk about this as we cover the rest of the

691
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 5: season when it drops, but this notion of how this

692
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 5: connects to the Broadway play that recently came out, which

693
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 5: has been one a massive success, but two is heavily

694
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 5: about Vekna and Henry and Henry's childhood, and I think

695
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 5: that she is going to be a connection to that.

696
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 5: When Eleven says to her, I've seen what you did.

697
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 5: I've seen what you've done, I think that Eleven knows

698
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 5: that she was involved with it. And I also think

699
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 5: that the caves are.

700
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 3: Going to be.

701
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 5: My feeling is wherever doctor k did the first experiments

702
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 5: on Vecna or something. That's kind of my feeling is

703
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 5: like before it was official, it was kind of this

704
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 5: nightmarish space. Though I will tell you the reason the

705
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 5: cave is really there is because it's to give Max

706
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 5: a Lost Boys inspired hangout that's directly.

707
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 3: The Caves from Lost Boys.

708
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 5: But I think that the notion of why Vecna won't

709
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 5: go there is because they there is this connection to

710
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 5: doctor k and she needs Eleven. But why that's the

711
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 5: biggest thing. She keeps saying she needs the girl, she

712
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 5: needs Eleven. But what is it about eleven that is

713
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 5: so much more powerful? What is it about eleven? Does

714
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 5: she think Eleven can be that connection between the two

715
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 5: worlds because Eleven has connections on the upside down and

716
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 5: in the real world. I don't know, but I think

717
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 5: it's clear she's going to be our true villain.

718
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting, I think I did you agree? I think

719
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: she's the worst doctor Brent. I think a more dedicated

720
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: has been here from the very first, Like her knowledge

721
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: on the creature was so much more intense than we've

722
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: seen for a while.

723
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 3: She knows.

724
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: That part too.

725
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: We're not going to be this right where she's Vecna's mom.

726
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 3: So I was thinking about that.

727
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: So we have seen Henry's mom before, played by a

728
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: different actress, but there is some years between when we

729
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: saw her and now. She did not appear to be

730
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: military in the flashback we saw, so I'm hoping that's

731
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: not the case. Also, it's really annoying when like it's

732
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: the evil mom we've seen it, and if you're not

733
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: going to play into it early enough, like you're seeing

734
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: it as it was at the end, really weak saw.

735
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: So I'm really hoping it's not that. What I'm hoping

736
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: is like we we haven't seen a lot of women

737
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: in this space as would have been the time Sara,

738
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: not a lot of women in the military, especially not

739
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: in leadership positions as over her to Gardner as much

740
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: respect and fear at this time, at her advanced age,

741
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 1: means she's been kicking ass for a long long time.

742
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: I wonder if she didn't give up. I don't want

743
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: Vecna to be her kid. I wouldn't mind if she

744
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: had given up a kid to the program at some

745
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: point to be like, yeah, tests on my kid, Like

746
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: this is how dedicated I am to the cause.

747
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 3: That's interesting, Actually, I like that question.

748
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: Why doesn't Vecna kill Will.

749
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 4: For something?

750
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: You were the first?

751
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he needs him for something.

752
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: Here's my baby.

753
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: What if Vecna he wants his childhood back and he

754
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 2: wants friends. He's getting a bunch of kids together that

755
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: he can be friends with in his perfect little memory palace.

756
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: But somebody's got to be Vecna. So he's gonna make

757
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: Will be Vecna. Yes, and Will is going to be

758
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: the evil side of him, and he can separate all

759
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: the good pre Vecna Henry parts of him to be

760
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: the parts that live in the memory.

761
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 5: I think one thousand percent think that that is actually

762
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 5: very correct Jason, because my understanding of the conflicts within

763
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 5: the exponential law of the books and the plays and

764
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 5: everything is that there was an internal battle inside Henry

765
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 5: between good and evil, and he wanted to not go

766
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 5: to dimension X and not become a monster. And I

767
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 5: think the idea that he is essentially going to like

768
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 5: Majus himself, like Adam Warlock did, where there is a

769
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 5: separation between the evil and the good and he puts

770
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 5: all of the evil into Will, I think is very interesting.

771
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 5: I also think that maybe that's why he needed Will

772
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 5: in the first place. He says, we're going to do

773
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 5: such beautiful things together. Maybe he needs someone who can

774
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 5: become the next Vekna. And because he knew Will had

775
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 5: these kind of similar powers to him, and he could

776
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 5: sense that he was able to kind of manifest them

777
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 5: or encourage them within him through this horrific fight. I'm

778
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 5: very interested how this can get wrapped up in a

779
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 5: satisfying way.

780
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 6: I just don't know if it can.

781
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 5: Okay, wait wait wait wait, In that case, let's have

782
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 5: some fun quickly, worst ending. What would the worst ending

783
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 5: of this, worst twist, worst ending, worst tie in, what

784
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 5: would be the worst version, and then we can it

785
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 5: cannot be worst in that.

786
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: For me, any kind of version of you know, the

787
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: Wizard of Oz.

788
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 4: It was all a dream.

789
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: Oh god, oh god, yeah, absolutely horrendous, and.

790
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: I hate that. I don't love that.

791
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: Usually I am pro kill the kids here. I think

792
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: if you start murdering off the kids, that it becomes like,

793
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: especially after we get that nice like speech from Mike

794
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: to his sister about like, you know, once once everything's done,

795
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: like the party goes somewhere else and they rest together.

796
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: But I think that's really got to be end goal.

797
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: You framed it as kids are powerful and we're frequently

798
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: getting happy endings. I think if they were to like

799
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: renig on that and suddenly be like, actually it's a

800
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: dark reality, it's gritty, I'd be like, don't know the

801
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,959
Speaker 1: whole time. Please just give these kids a happy ending.

802
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: I can't stand it. What about you, Rosie, what's the

803
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: worst possible ending?

804
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 5: I think for me though, and sadly, I do think

805
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 5: this could end up being the case. I think for me,

806
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 5: the worst version of this is where Will suddenly becomes

807
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 5: the ultimate kind of final Girl character, rather than it

808
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 5: being a collaboration, because I think we've followed Elle and

809
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 5: her powers for so long, and I think that I

810
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 5: would I'm excited to see her and him fight together.

811
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 5: Please put her in a different outfit. I know that's

812
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 5: the Josh Broling Goonies outfit.

813
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:55,479
Speaker 3: I have watched it.

814
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 5: I've seen the Goonies. I've seen the Goonies. He is

815
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 5: sexy in that movie. I had a crush on him.

816
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 3: I love the outfit.

817
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 5: It is not looking great on Willie Bobby Brown. Please

818
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 5: let her out of the outfit, but then let her

819
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 5: and Will like fight alongside each other, use their powers together. Like,

820
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 5: I want to see that inherent kind of connection because

821
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 5: of the upside down that they never really got to have.

822
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: I think that would be really cool. Yeah, if it

823
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: ends up being.

824
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 5: That, like Will saves the day kind of how it

825
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 5: was though, the emotional beat of that worked where everyone

826
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 5: got pulled back together. You thought it was going to

827
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 5: be the most dark, dire moment, Everyone's gonna die. Will

828
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 5: gets his powers. That's a huge triumphant moment. But now

829
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 5: we've had that, how does he use them?

830
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 3: We can't.

831
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 5: That's not a surprise for the finale, now, you know.

832
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 5: I guess that some of them would get powers. I

833
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 5: hope we see more powers. Maybe Max post upside down powers.

834
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: Yes, I would love to see Max with some powers.

835
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: I think the whole house scene where they like where

836
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: they're setting it up for the demo Gore going to

837
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: come through. They've lured and they've cut out the big

838
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: piece of the floor. What is that family going to

839
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: think when they get back to their house and not

840
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: only the drugged or there's a hole in our floor.

841
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 1: Everything is smashed like it's gonna be a real root awakening.

842
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: It seems like they have the money and it's the eighties.

843
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 5: I think about this, think about other and this is

844
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 5: good because this is a topic I did want to

845
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 5: talk about because I gotta say as an outsider, and

846
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 5: I'm sure it's the same as an American watching this stuff,

847
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 5: but like, how many shows right in America do they

848
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 5: love to put a town in quarantine?

849
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 3: They be putting a town in quarantine.

850
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 5: In every show Riverdale, there's a town in quarantine.

851
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: The Blob a town in Qualifine.

852
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 5: Going back to the old school, you know, last of

853
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 5: us massive plot points about.

854
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 4: Town quarantine, Buffy in quarantine.

855
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 5: Sunnydale gets quarantined at one point, Like there is this

856
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 5: cultural idea of the American Yeah, the Dome, the Americans

857
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 5: coming in in the Simpsons movie, and it is this

858
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 5: very interesting cultural trope and I'm so intrigued to know

859
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 5: if it comes from a real history of that or

860
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 5: if it's this kind of Cold War esque fear. But

861
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 5: I do think that the whole fact that they are

862
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 5: quarantined in this space and they cannot leave makes me

863
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 5: wonder like if Joyce kidnapped my kid, I feel like

864
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 5: the military would.

865
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 3: Just shoot her in the head when they found out,

866
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

867
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 5: Like I can't quite get the duality of its military occupation,

868
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 5: but you can just do whatever you want.

869
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 4: With that kind of wide eyed look.

870
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 3: You know, well you.

871
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 4: I love my son.

872
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: I think it's a common he's he's he's actually the

873
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: the the dangerously cute dustin nothing nothing.

874
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 4: The other nicknames.

875
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 3: I think.

876
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: Police and uh are are very intense self reliance because

877
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: well you noticed in these these bubble stories, not like

878
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: the military is suddenly like at you door, demanding a

879
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: bunch of things. It's like, you just can't leave. The

880
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: military's in the population. They're like, we just need to

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Speaker 1: segregate you and keep you within this space. But whatever

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Speaker 1: you do in here, that's your guys' business, just don't

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Speaker 1: bring it outside of here. So I really think that's

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Speaker 1: sort of been the running thing. I was just gonna say,

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Speaker 1: you know, when we're in that sort of like home

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Speaker 1: alone house set up in everything. To me, that was

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Speaker 1: a real showcase of like how the kids can work together.

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Speaker 1: They were pretty successful as if we're looking at all

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Speaker 1: of their plans on a scale like was the final

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Speaker 1: shotgun a little slow to get off, Yes, but for

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Speaker 1: the most part, mission accomplished, goal achieved, And that to

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Speaker 1: me says that for their next plan, especially now that

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Speaker 1: they have us super powered up, will hopefully Eleven's on

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Speaker 1: her way back to the team.

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Speaker 5: Fine.

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have some good organized movements from

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Speaker 1: the group going forward, and I'm looking forward to seeing that.

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Speaker 2: I agree. I have one thing that I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 2: is gonna happen, since they absolutely teased it in these

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Speaker 2: two episodes, Hopper getting.

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Speaker 4: Hop is he can't wait to die. He let you

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Speaker 4: know in this episode that he's he wants to go.

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Speaker 4: He's thinking already to let go.

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Speaker 1: Four times he says goodbye to Joys before he goes

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Speaker 1: into the upside down. He gets a goodbye on the radio,

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Speaker 1: and then he says goodbye and the door. He's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you. Gotta go.

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Speaker 2: He's a look on his face when he has to

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Speaker 2: come back open the door and be like, I didn't

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00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 2: get to blow myself up, so disappointed. You just know

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Speaker 2: when it comes time to close the final portal or

912
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Speaker 2: whatever the thing is, it's gonna be hop running in

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Speaker 2: there like Barry Sanders with his suicide vest On, and

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Speaker 2: he cannot wait to do it.

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Speaker 4: He can't wait.

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Speaker 5: My dream scenario is the l gets to kill half

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Speaker 5: because I do think he's a terrible dad.

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Speaker 3: Now, is that gonna happen just because she's gonna kill him?

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Speaker 5: No, bond, No, But what if he gets like possessed

920
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Speaker 5: by the under well, then the dem Gorgans or something

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Speaker 5: they have to and they have to blow him up

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Speaker 5: and she has to.

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Speaker 1: Blow how much power to let that happen? Got the

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Speaker 1: power to undo? So it seems like Okay, that's a

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Speaker 1: good point.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 2: I like well, five more episodes left. We're excited to

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Speaker 2: talk about it. On the next episodes of X ray Vision,

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Speaker 2: we're diving into the biggest.

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Speaker 4: News of the week, more plural us.

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Speaker 2: Also it welcome to Dairy and all out coverage coming soon.

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Speaker 2: That's it for this episode that we'll sing Bye bye.

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Speaker 2: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie

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Speaker 2: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 5: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abusafar.

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Speaker 5: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean, Jhonathson, and Bay Wax.

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Speaker 2: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kauffman.

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Speaker 5: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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