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Speaker 1: to you from Stinny, filled with heroes in Bunker's Mark Stessler,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, Greg rose Ball. What's up? Boys? Get in?
Speaker 1: I mean, let's go. You were up because I saw
Speaker 1: you meet about it. Already dealing with a global pandemic
Speaker 1: and now we got earth earthquakes rocking the Southland and
Speaker 1: on top of it, that's enough. We don't need that.
Speaker 1: I was surprised it was only like a three point
Speaker 1: eight on the Richter scale, because that was as hard
Speaker 1: as I've been shaken by an earthquake in five years.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of times when I first moved
Speaker 1: out to l A, but but that was like it
Speaker 1: was Kesha out of bed. It took a while for
Speaker 1: her to get back. My house had felt larger than three,
Speaker 1: because there has been a rash of those over the years,
Speaker 1: but um, it felt like almost double that, just in
Speaker 1: terms of the violent shaking like little objects, you know,
Speaker 1: landing on the floor, that kind of nonsense. I missed.
Speaker 1: The one was supposedly the big one, the biggest one
Speaker 1: we've had since we moved here last summer. That's supposed
Speaker 1: to be a fun one. Yeah. Well, we're We're alive.
Speaker 1: We're just surviving. That's where we're at right now. We're
Speaker 1: surviving here during the global pandemic. And um oh, I
Speaker 1: have an update as we speak, breaking news. We spoke
Speaker 1: about it yesterday during the Mark Sesler mock draft Uh
Speaker 1: bob Ba byl Mims. Was he high on Corey Coleman.
Speaker 1: He's not checked in coman, but he said, I did
Speaker 1: not have to bring up Rice Petty. That was unnecessary.
Speaker 1: I remember the Corey Coleman conversation. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think he liked Corey Coleman. But yeah, that was that
Speaker 1: was on our Twitter show. We talked a little Denzel Mims,
Speaker 1: who I'm a big fan of, and and we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk a little Maybe we'll talk to Denzel Mims with
Speaker 1: spicy maybe he'll be one of the guys that spice
Speaker 1: Rack picks a little bit. How about that spice Rack
Speaker 1: makes his return to be around the NFL podcast. He
Speaker 1: missed last year's show because of mysterious scheduling conflict on
Speaker 1: his side. Um, but we are excited because, like we
Speaker 1: said in our tease earlier this week, we don't know
Speaker 1: we're gonna get. We could get some of the best
Speaker 1: draft analysis is uh in the business. We could get
Speaker 1: west nothing at all. Well, we missed him last year
Speaker 1: because Spicy was basically CouchSurfing for like some age thirty
Speaker 1: six year. The entire year it was. It was amazing.
Speaker 1: He spent the night in my house a couple of times,
Speaker 1: he was you know, in Hollywood a few times. You
Speaker 1: never knew where Spice was gonna be last year. And
Speaker 1: of course spice Rack is Chris Wesling's well erstwhile desert Consigliari.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: talk to Spicy about where he is right now. What
Speaker 1: is he up to is he has plugged into the
Speaker 1: game as he's been in the past. I imagine he is. Uh.
Speaker 1: Spicy has always been a big sports fan, monster sports fan,
Speaker 1: So we'll be uh looking forward to that. Uh and
Speaker 1: before that, we're going to people thought maybe it wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Well, we were gonna forget because we've done
Speaker 1: it in the past, but we have decided to table
Speaker 1: our sandwich props for this draft and instead focus on
Speaker 1: going around the NFC in thirty two minutes. So we
Speaker 1: did the a f C last week. You people like this,
Speaker 1: so we are going to deliver the content you deserve.
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, Uh, what do you think is more popular
Speaker 1: or the a f C or the NFC, Like, what
Speaker 1: has more fans? Nobody Always I always assumed the NFC
Speaker 1: because they had the NFC East, which was on TV
Speaker 1: seventy three times a year, regardless of how good the
Speaker 1: teams were. I feel like the NFC has been better
Speaker 1: and more intriguing the last seven eight years on this show.
Speaker 1: I mean, we know it's more popular because we haven't
Speaker 1: we have four or three and a half fan bases
Speaker 1: in the a f C. Right, I mean there was
Speaker 1: a run for a certain group of fans a certain age.
Speaker 1: There was a run where the NFC won the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl like thirteen times in a row, and it was
Speaker 1: the same four or five powerhouses, which really kind of
Speaker 1: changed television because the Niners, the Cowboys, the Redskins, the
Speaker 1: Giants became like those Prime times fixtures. But I've always
Speaker 1: been much more interested in the a f C. And
Speaker 1: it's not I don't know if it's just a Browns thing,
Speaker 1: but for some reason, they have a very different feel
Speaker 1: and I've always been an a f C guy. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the good news. We're gonna decide it right here,
Speaker 1: because we're gonna check the numbers, We're gonna check the metrics,
Speaker 1: and whatever show does better will decide which conference is
Speaker 1: more popular. My three year old just walked by the
Speaker 1: garage door completely nude. I don't know what's going on there.
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing here in the south Land. We're
Speaker 1: really in the south all right. You know the rules. Uh,
Speaker 1: every team we hit, we go through all four divisions,
Speaker 1: we split it up. Each of us do a team
Speaker 1: of each division. Two minutes on the nose, no messing around,
Speaker 1: no funny business, everybody, um, and we'll keep on moving.
Speaker 1: And then uh, once we finish up the NFC West,
Speaker 1: you will have a clear picture of where these teams
Speaker 1: are ahead of tomorrow's draft. Oh my god, the draft
Speaker 1: is tomorrow. All right, you're ready to get into it,
Speaker 1: Ricky hit it. We're starting with Greg Rosenthal and the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. I'm always like leading off, just like inspected deck,
Speaker 1: because you know I'm gonna bring the heat. Uh. Philadelphia
Speaker 1: is it as simple with their first round pick? Uh?
Speaker 1: I clearly wasn't ready as drafting wider seing, because I
Speaker 1: mean that really is there may need it's a good
Speaker 1: looking roster. Maybe they need an off the ball linebacker,
Speaker 1: but it's such a good receiver class we've talked about.
Speaker 1: Whether it's Justin Jefferson or Denzel Mims there or Tee
Speaker 1: Higgins or whoever, they should have a pretty good option.
Speaker 1: The one thing I'm keeping an eye on, though, is
Speaker 1: whether they make a bigger move, whether it's Trent Williams
Speaker 1: or Odell Beckham or some sort of veteran move or
Speaker 1: maybe it's clowney after the draft. They have a lot
Speaker 1: of cap space, and it just feels like Howie Roseman,
Speaker 1: whether it's a trade up a trade down, they would
Speaker 1: be one of the teams I would look at this
Speaker 1: week that could make a big splash. Well, I think
Speaker 1: we know they need the speed on their offense. The
Speaker 1: linebacker thing they have always seemed like to me one
Speaker 1: of those teams that expects and that respects analytics so
Speaker 1: much that they've decided linebacker is not a position they
Speaker 1: need to pour resources into. They can find linebackers anywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I mean a number of mock drafts have
Speaker 1: them going linebacker. But I'm with Greig Guy. Feel like
Speaker 1: Howie Roseman uh and the Eagles in their current incarnation
Speaker 1: are somewhat allergic to being quiet in the draft. They
Speaker 1: always seem to be up to something and not afraid of, um,
Speaker 1: you know, the no risk and no biscuit philosophy. I mean,
Speaker 1: they've done it over and over and I kind of
Speaker 1: could see them moving up or or targeting a why
Speaker 1: don't they fell in love with one? But I and
Speaker 1: Deshaun Jackson and me felt like a one year project
Speaker 1: last year. Um, I don't know what they can plan
Speaker 1: to get out of him at this point. Is their
Speaker 1: only good healthy player? I mean outside Jeffrey is so
Speaker 1: hurt right now, you know, coming off such a major injury.
Speaker 1: They don't know if they're gonna have him or when
Speaker 1: they'll have him. It's a real need. I think the
Speaker 1: g that is not afraid to trade it shows confident.
Speaker 1: Right then, yeah, three two one zero, good start. We
Speaker 1: landed that aircraft. That was smooth. Bill Zeus is gonna
Speaker 1: talk about the Dallas Cowboys. They have the seventeenth overall
Speaker 1: pick in the first round. Um, you know, Jerry Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones saved the downplay and interest in the Cowboys trading
Speaker 1: for Jamal Adams. He called the move this week highly unlikely,
Speaker 1: and he went on to say the draft pick values
Speaker 1: are heightened because all the teams in the league wants
Speaker 1: to use that pick on a player for now in
Speaker 1: the future that a salary cap friendly. And I get
Speaker 1: all that, but my question to you guys is is
Speaker 1: getting a young, potential, long term starter at a reduced rate.
Speaker 1: That's great, But how many first round picks actually turn
Speaker 1: out that way? And do you think team builders get
Speaker 1: caught up in the best case scenario and ignore the
Speaker 1: reality that you might actually be better off giving up
Speaker 1: that dreamer pick if it means acquiring a proven I'll
Speaker 1: be an expensive star like a Jamal Adams. I think
Speaker 1: you're right. I think it's a good question. I think
Speaker 1: some teams like the Rams would be my primary example.
Speaker 1: Uh think like you do, Dan, that they'd rather do
Speaker 1: it give up their picks on veterans. That's why they
Speaker 1: haven't taken a first round pick in five years. Why
Speaker 1: they gave up this pick for Jalen Ramsey. Does seem
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys can't get out of, um, the continual
Speaker 1: cycle of having to drop a massive contract on a
Speaker 1: proven veteran on their own roster. So that might be
Speaker 1: a consideration, But doesn't it feel like a Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: move to go get a Jamal Adams? And frankly, if
Speaker 1: I were rooting for any team that had the seventeenth
Speaker 1: pick and someone said, you know, you can take a
Speaker 1: risk on whoever you get, or you get Jamal Adams
Speaker 1: in a hot New York minute, I would go Jamal
Speaker 1: at pick kind of perfect too for safety US. And
Speaker 1: let's see like a nice trade Jets get a mid
Speaker 1: round first and the Cowboys get an all pro safety. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think to answer your original question, teams overvalue first
Speaker 1: round picks from about pick thirteen through thirty two, UM,
Speaker 1: And then they overvalue fourth through seventh round picks. And
Speaker 1: I know why they do because they can find special
Speaker 1: teamers cheaply. You can find maybe a spot starter cheaply,
Speaker 1: but they overvalue those picks and the cap stuff that
Speaker 1: you mentioned, Mark, that is important in those Big three. Alright,
Speaker 1: moving on Chris Wesling, the German. Well, we've heard Dave
Speaker 1: Gettleman say in recent drafts he's got a top five pick.
Speaker 1: He's looking for an automatic, surefire Hall of famer. And
Speaker 1: to me that which one of those offensive tackles is
Speaker 1: the surefire Hall of famer? I think McKay beckton is
Speaker 1: is the most interesting one because we read through Bob
Speaker 1: Ginn and other people that he has the highest ceiling.
Speaker 1: He's a monster of a guy who can like reverse
Speaker 1: dunka basketball. So the athleticism is there. Um, I wonder
Speaker 1: now we're hearing the Dolphins might trade in front of them.
Speaker 1: Who do the Dolphins think the Giants are gonna snag
Speaker 1: there at tackle? Well, that's assuming you know that they
Speaker 1: really are looking for a tackle the Dolphins if they
Speaker 1: did trade up, and and that's what there's a couple
Speaker 1: of reports, I think, including for me and out there,
Speaker 1: that says so I don't know, Tristan Worse is like
Speaker 1: the athletic guy. He right He kind of reminds me
Speaker 1: just you know, hearing his profile to Nate Solder, who
Speaker 1: was he was incredibly athletic and and got drafted a
Speaker 1: little earlier than than people thought, and they still have
Speaker 1: on their roster. It doesn't doesn't get me excited. But
Speaker 1: if you're a Giant, if you're Dave Gettlman, they don't
Speaker 1: There's not really any pass rushers that you would want
Speaker 1: to take that high. It doesn't seem like the neat
Speaker 1: this draft lines up well with what they actually need.
Speaker 1: I wonder if the Giants would ever still be in
Speaker 1: play for Clowney just because they had been linked to
Speaker 1: him before, if they don't get that kind of a
Speaker 1: player in the draft, um, you know, Getleman. To me,
Speaker 1: it feels like a lock and load. He's gonna take
Speaker 1: someone along one of the lines. And and it's interesting
Speaker 1: me if they've come to a concessan consensus on the linement,
Speaker 1: because every mock you see is a different tackle at
Speaker 1: the top of the list. That's what McGinn said to us,
Speaker 1: that you can't remember a draft where the top guys
Speaker 1: on the line are seemingly interchangeable depending on who you
Speaker 1: talk to, which if I'm a if I'm a Giants
Speaker 1: fan or I'm the Giants and Mike damn it, it it
Speaker 1: has to be this draft. We wish we had the
Speaker 1: you know, Joe Thomas locked and loaded, but they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to make a decision. It's not gonna be easy. One. Well,
Speaker 1: I think they could take Jeff Akuda that no one's
Speaker 1: no one's see. It seems they certainly have a need
Speaker 1: at cornerback. They haven't needed basically every defensive position except
Speaker 1: for run stopping because of lignement. And that's what's at
Speaker 1: the top of this. Like the twelve year in a row,
Speaker 1: Mark clothes out the NFC East with the Redskins. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't like the Washington's first move in the draft
Speaker 1: could be losing Um one of the best left tackles
Speaker 1: in football, and Trent Williams. And it just seems like
Speaker 1: that's you know, the cycle of bad teams not being
Speaker 1: able to hold on to uh, you know, star power
Speaker 1: and their quarterback. To me as a question mark in
Speaker 1: an offense that looked like a Pop Warner operation from
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three. Last season, only five teams allowed more points.
Speaker 1: No teams scored fewer points than the Redskins in UM,
Speaker 1: this is a like I mentioned before, a super proud,
Speaker 1: once proud franchise. UM. I think Ron Rivera brings a
Speaker 1: dose of sanity, and you know, realistically this team needs
Speaker 1: um a star to market around, but to just legit
Speaker 1: build around the roster around. And you know, they've had
Speaker 1: an okay, okay moments on defense here and there, but
Speaker 1: guys are coming gone, and I think that you know,
Speaker 1: it's Chase Young or nothing else. The only argument And
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to um you know, Trigger West here,
Speaker 1: but you know, there's so many needs on this roster
Speaker 1: that if someone offered an insane blockbuster deal for that
Speaker 1: number to pick, it's something that I would think about
Speaker 1: if I were the Redskins, just because you need to
Speaker 1: build in multiple ways. But am I crazy to pass
Speaker 1: up on Chase Young? If I'm Ron Rivera, I think
Speaker 1: you're crazy. I think you take Chase Young. And my
Speaker 1: problem with that report was not that the Redskins shouldn't
Speaker 1: think about it. I mean that's exactly what they should do,
Speaker 1: is field huge offers. But that's not news to me,
Speaker 1: I don't. I just think that's what all teams with
Speaker 1: the number two pick too. I don't think their roster
Speaker 1: is quite as terrible as people think. I mean, the
Speaker 1: defensive lines pretty is pretty good. If you add Chase Young,
Speaker 1: it's on paper one of the best defensive lines in football.
Speaker 1: You got old Jack del Rio by the way back
Speaker 1: in the day. I feel like we have not mentioned
Speaker 1: Jack del Rio naming in about four years in this podcast. Uh,
Speaker 1: and he is their defensive coordinator. You drafted Terry McLaurin,
Speaker 1: who you know, a Rookie of the Year candidate last year. Like,
Speaker 1: it's not the worst team back, Yeah, certainly, let's move
Speaker 1: to the NFC Division. Greg, the Detroit Lions be nice?
Speaker 1: I mean, what's there to be all right? What's there
Speaker 1: to be nice? They are like a zip up sweater
Speaker 1: of a football team. That's what just generic, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like put it on. You know. Bob Quinn, their
Speaker 1: general manager. If you go back and look at his draft,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of singles like it's they haven't been
Speaker 1: that bad. There's certainly teams that have drafted worse than then.
Speaker 1: But his best draft pick, I think since he took
Speaker 1: over four years ago because he was there before Patricia
Speaker 1: is probably Kenny to Golladay that is, that's like a
Speaker 1: lot of singles, maybe a double there with holiday. They
Speaker 1: need some home runs and whether it's taking the number
Speaker 1: three pick and it's a Kuda or trading back and
Speaker 1: we're hearing that that could certainly happen, Like you need
Speaker 1: big time playmakers because they just don't have it. They're
Speaker 1: they're they're just a very vanilla roth. That's interesting. How
Speaker 1: would you feel if they were the team that traded
Speaker 1: up with the Redskins and got Chase you right? And
Speaker 1: I think that could make some sense, Like they need
Speaker 1: someone that makes a difference. They have five former Patriots
Speaker 1: starting on their defense right now, and other than tree Flowers,
Speaker 1: like you probably missed the best of those those guys,
Speaker 1: maybe justin Coleman too, but it's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: where where are you going with that? And a bunch
Speaker 1: of like safe picks. I think you've gotta go for
Speaker 1: a home run. Should they have ever questioned the quarterback situation.
Speaker 1: I like Matthew Stafford. I'm not saying that they need
Speaker 1: to make a move there, but what if they take
Speaker 1: to us Suddenly the Lions have a total identity and
Speaker 1: it's not Matthew Stafford's fault, but the team seems completely
Speaker 1: identity free to me, I'm pointing to the same thing
Speaker 1: West you had said. I think in our conversation with
Speaker 1: Peter Schraeger, like trading away Darius Lay and then drafting Fakuda,
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, you're gaining cap relief, but are you
Speaker 1: getting better? Same thing? Maybe two is a generational talent,
Speaker 1: but how much better are you gonna get the Matthew
Speaker 1: Stafford a team that has holes, isn't it better off
Speaker 1: plugging him elsewhere? And Stafford played really well with bevil
Speaker 1: in the the new coordinator last year when he was healthy.
Speaker 1: The Chicago Bears no first round pick. They have the
Speaker 1: number forty three pick from the Raiders and the mac trade.
Speaker 1: They have the fifty pick in the second round. They
Speaker 1: get have to hit on those guys, those two picks,
Speaker 1: because there are more issues here than just QB, which
Speaker 1: is the soap opera. Butty lingers on last year was
Speaker 1: all about the kicker. This year it's all about the quarterback.
Speaker 1: With Trabinsky and folds Uh starting the secondary Prince of
Speaker 1: Mukamara cut. They let ha Ha Clinton Dicks walk Um
Speaker 1: as of now, that's a ton of snaps in their
Speaker 1: secondary that have not been plugged as far as I
Speaker 1: could tell um, and you know, and lost it. All
Speaker 1: the Mitch Drabinsky stinks talk is that this offensive line
Speaker 1: was not good last year, was ranked according to PF
Speaker 1: in the league. And I guess it's on Ryan Pace
Speaker 1: and the people inside that organization to decide how much
Speaker 1: of the lines decline was connected to the quarterback and
Speaker 1: the habits of Trabinsky and Chase Daniel and how much
Speaker 1: was maybe just a down trend um And they need
Speaker 1: more weapons. The Trey Burton out Jimmy Graham in thing
Speaker 1: that does nothing and you know, quietly Allen Robinson had
Speaker 1: a nice season last year, but they need they need
Speaker 1: more for whoever's quarterback. They have three second round picks,
Speaker 1: which which makes them someone to watch. They have no
Speaker 1: first round pick because of because of Clio mac three
Speaker 1: Cohen coming off a bad season, Anthony Miller has been
Speaker 1: so banged up since they drafted him, and Jimmy Graham
Speaker 1: hasn't made a play in three years. It's tough to
Speaker 1: know what they have outside of Allen Robinson on offense,
Speaker 1: or or what Matt Nig's offense is because I feel
Speaker 1: like if anything. The Bears are floating away from any
Speaker 1: sort of signifying mark of who they are, and I'm
Speaker 1: not sure that Khalil mac deal ultimately was worth it
Speaker 1: on any level. And it's you know, Ryan Pace has Um,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, made some incredibly questionable moves. Um, He's
Speaker 1: lucky to be attached to an organization that moves into
Speaker 1: snails past when it comes to refurbishing the front office.
Speaker 1: It's a big year for Mac's paid like a monster.
Speaker 1: They gave up so much and he was quiet last year.
Speaker 1: They would need him to be a super duperstar. Moving
Speaker 1: on the Vikings Churtz Westling, Well, they've got two first
Speaker 1: round picks after picking up the Bills Uh selection in
Speaker 1: the Stefon Diggs trade. I thought they might be a
Speaker 1: team that could trade up, but I think Rick Spielman
Speaker 1: likes his early picks because he's good at it. He's
Speaker 1: one of the best drafters in the first and second rounds.
Speaker 1: I think you look for a wide receiver like Justin
Speaker 1: Jefferson with that first pick, and then Uh, it gets
Speaker 1: interesting with that second first round pick because they need
Speaker 1: help in the secondary and they've got some connections here.
Speaker 1: They Trayvon Diggs one of the better cornerbacks, Stefan's brother
Speaker 1: who they traded away, and Antoine Wingfield at safety, who
Speaker 1: I think is is screaming up some draft boards. People
Speaker 1: really like him even though he's under size. He hits
Speaker 1: like his dad. So some names to watch with Vikings connections.
Speaker 1: Pretty amazing. If um, the brother of Stefon Diggs was
Speaker 1: suddenly brought into the Vikings, I wonder how that would work,
Speaker 1: um from what is the first phone call between Stephan
Speaker 1: and his brother if that happened. Yeah, I think his
Speaker 1: mom was quoted as saying that would be awkward if
Speaker 1: he was drafted by the Vibe. Just like stay away
Speaker 1: from Zimmer. It's really weird to look at the Vikings
Speaker 1: and and think, I think they're in really in good shape.
Speaker 1: On offense. Yeah, they need another receiver and I'm sure
Speaker 1: they'd like to improve their offensive line, but I feel
Speaker 1: like they feel better about their offense right now, um
Speaker 1: than some of their positions on defense, especially in the secondary.
Speaker 1: It's just it's the It's a total transition here for
Speaker 1: the Vikings, and to their credit, Like as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: Spielman is pretty underrated in terms of his drafting. His
Speaker 1: team building and he needs some home run because they
Speaker 1: did a great job drafting for a long time, and
Speaker 1: they haven't had as many hits. I would say the
Speaker 1: last three years or so. Offense is kind of hard
Speaker 1: to figure out because they were great and stretches last
Speaker 1: year and then they would disappear every once in a a
Speaker 1: while in the back end of the season. But I
Speaker 1: I don't think that is their biggest concern by far.
Speaker 1: It would be good to find a Dig's replacement, though,
Speaker 1: and they're they're used to having like multiple awesome defensive
Speaker 1: ends and maybe they'll bring back Everson Griffin or maybe
Speaker 1: they'll draft one, but this is the first time in
Speaker 1: a long time that that's not the case. Mark Dessler,
Speaker 1: your favorite the Green Bay Packers. I just don't say.
Speaker 1: I don't you know. This is the one where I
Speaker 1: I refused to overthink it, um and and maybe their
Speaker 1: front office is going in a completely different direction. But
Speaker 1: I look at this roster and I just feel like
Speaker 1: you were thirteen and three, um, but a little bit
Speaker 1: of a soft thirteen in three. Uh. You gotta make
Speaker 1: this all about a final push, um, a final kind
Speaker 1: of chunky area era for Aaron Rodgers, And I'm just
Speaker 1: not buying the idea that Devin Funchius is your primary
Speaker 1: starter across from Davante Adams. UM, you know it's not
Speaker 1: just there. I look at their tight end position. You've
Speaker 1: got thirty five year old Mercedes Lewis, you've got j Sternberger,
Speaker 1: and you've got nothing in the draft tight end. So
Speaker 1: the talent around Rogers and I get that Bob McGinn
Speaker 1: um wouldn't point to that first after our talk with him.
Speaker 1: I think it's suspect, and I think there's an argument
Speaker 1: that they need to add weapons there. And for me,
Speaker 1: they're they're picking thirty and I realized that it's a
Speaker 1: deep wide receiver draft, and the new thing seems to
Speaker 1: be like, don't trade up for a wide out, kind
Speaker 1: of stay where you are and maybe, you know what,
Speaker 1: that's fine, Maybe that works, But part of me just
Speaker 1: thinks that Green Bay Um needs to make an aggressive mood.
Speaker 1: This this is your super Bowl window. You gotta win
Speaker 1: this division and not losing the NFC title game for
Speaker 1: the eighteen time and going up and getting one of
Speaker 1: the primary one or two wide outs that everyone consensus
Speaker 1: believes in. Um is what I would do and what
Speaker 1: I think you could galvanize the fan base with who
Speaker 1: thinks that idea sucks? I Devin Funches. I'm just looking
Speaker 1: at his numbers, and I know last year was a disaster.
Speaker 1: He got hurt and barely played. I wonder if he
Speaker 1: is like a potential sneaky producer next year. I wonder
Speaker 1: if he has a shot. Yeah. I like that, Carl,
Speaker 1: But what they really need is an explosive, fast playmaker.
Speaker 1: Davante Adams is an awesome route runner, great body control,
Speaker 1: not the fastest wide receiver in the league. Funcius is
Speaker 1: big and not fast. They're tight ends are not fast.
Speaker 1: They need an explosive guy. I like that. Dan. You
Speaker 1: know he made who takes each team? I see what
Speaker 1: you're doing. Dan, You're giving Cessler the Packers just because
Speaker 1: you think he's gonna bury them. Actually know, if you
Speaker 1: look at it. Let's take a brief pause just to
Speaker 1: let you guys know there was strategy to it. You
Speaker 1: both got everyone got two first place teams and two
Speaker 1: last place teams, and it was not done at all
Speaker 1: according to like who you guys connect with as heat
Speaker 1: get that. That's so it's a that's an interesting in
Speaker 1: a in a crafty strategy by our host, right, that
Speaker 1: would have given Mark the Packers just to see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was just all right. Let's move on to the
Speaker 1: NFC South, starting with the Saints. Greg your boys. I
Speaker 1: don't know who I heard say it, but I that
Speaker 1: Saints have the best roster in the NFL. And yeah
Speaker 1: you could there. There's a lot of positions you could go.
Speaker 1: I mean, cornerback. Um, you could add another receiver and
Speaker 1: there should be a good one on the board at
Speaker 1: twenty four. Uh. But because there's linebacker, certainly, because there's
Speaker 1: not like a total screaming need, and because Sean Payton
Speaker 1: and the Saints were so connected to Mahomes a few
Speaker 1: years ago that more than any other team. I do
Speaker 1: wonder if Jordan's Love is sitting there at twenty four,
Speaker 1: are they the team to take a swing? Because I
Speaker 1: don't think Love has nearly the profile Mahomes did coming
Speaker 1: into the draft, but he certainly looks more like him
Speaker 1: and just has the athleticism and the excitement every time
Speaker 1: he touches the ball, and he is a guy thinks
Speaker 1: Sean Payton could look at and yes, you have Taysom
Speaker 1: Hill there now and it's not an need, but he
Speaker 1: could look at as a guy that if we put
Speaker 1: him in our system and I get to groom him,
Speaker 1: that seems like a potential landing spot for for Jordan's love.
Speaker 1: I love that, and I also think the Saints wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I would not be out of bounds for the Saints
Speaker 1: to trade up for Love if they felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what happened to them with Mahomes a little bit.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of interest and someone jumped in
Speaker 1: and took them. And I think that if that was
Speaker 1: in their plans, and then they're thinking when Mahomes was drafted,
Speaker 1: certainly quarterback has to be a target, no matter what
Speaker 1: they think of Taysom Hill. You know why Hill is
Speaker 1: the next Steve Young. We're building already. I don't think
Speaker 1: we're bailing on it. It's just that, you know, it's
Speaker 1: that is something that is a experiment to TB D.
Speaker 1: I love Taysom Hill. Yeah. I mean everything they've said
Speaker 1: publicly him privately is he's the successor. They love him, um,
Speaker 1: and I think it's noteworthy that for the past however
Speaker 1: many years, five years, we've been hearing they're looking, they're
Speaker 1: they're getting first round quarterbacks in that building. They want
Speaker 1: to draft the quarterback. I haven't heard that much of
Speaker 1: that this year, but this way, if if they take
Speaker 1: a quarterback in the first and after letting Teddy Bridgewater
Speaker 1: start the five games last year, I need everything. I
Speaker 1: have everything I need to know about how they view
Speaker 1: him exactly, and they've correctly scattered him. I think move
Speaker 1: they UH speaking of the saying so stop down quickly.
Speaker 1: Just because it's kind of an interesting nugget that Sean
Speaker 1: Payton told players Wednesday, will they will not have any
Speaker 1: type of offseason program this spring, virtual or otherwise. It's
Speaker 1: the quote from Peyton take care of your families, your health,
Speaker 1: and be ready this summer. Uh completely wipes it out.
Speaker 1: He had a He had a tweet with a I
Speaker 1: believe it's a Game of Thrones ref of kind of
Speaker 1: mocking the setup of what the virtual meetings are like
Speaker 1: with all the players and coaching staff. I wonder if
Speaker 1: this is gonna be Peyton's an influential guy, um a
Speaker 1: domino where a lot of teams are like this is stupid,
Speaker 1: Like we I know what we're trying to do here
Speaker 1: and stay in touch of the players and start installing
Speaker 1: some layer of what game plan is, but maybe we're
Speaker 1: better off just clearing the decks and waiting for everything
Speaker 1: to set up. Well. I would add that they there
Speaker 1: that does need to go through some channels in terms
Speaker 1: of the league in the NFL p A and how
Speaker 1: they want that stuff to be handled. Um, that came
Speaker 1: from our newsroom on some level. But secondly that that's
Speaker 1: that's maybe more of a luxury for a team like
Speaker 1: the Saints, where the coach, the quarterback, and many of
Speaker 1: the players are embedded and know each other. Well, that's
Speaker 1: not a luxury. A first year of coach, Matt Rule
Speaker 1: is not gonna approach things that way, I can guarantee you.
Speaker 1: I guess I wonder what rule does Rule or any
Speaker 1: of these first year coaches really think a lot is
Speaker 1: going to be accomplished in this. I guess they're communicating
Speaker 1: with players you've never met. I would think it would
Speaker 1: what you'd want to establish some um idea of who
Speaker 1: you are as a coach with as many players as
Speaker 1: you could. That would be my approach if I were
Speaker 1: a first year coach. I was stunned to see this
Speaker 1: because you just don't see NFL coaches give up control
Speaker 1: like that. That they're saying, Okay, we could be we
Speaker 1: could have you two hours a day for a month
Speaker 1: and a half, but we're gonna say no, We're gonna
Speaker 1: trust you to show up to camp. And you just
Speaker 1: don't see them giving up control. And this is a
Speaker 1: different I'm obviously. I think New Orleans is one of
Speaker 1: the hardest hit cities too. I think maybe that's a
Speaker 1: factor because a lot of the players live around there.
Speaker 1: Sean Payton had coronavirus, so maybe, yeah, it's hitting him
Speaker 1: a little bit. There's a lot going on, and to
Speaker 1: your point, Mark, it's a veteran team, so it's not
Speaker 1: the same. But I can't remember coaches doing anything like this.
Speaker 1: I'd be I'd be kind of surprised if other teams
Speaker 1: took the same approach. I mean, he's not doing this,
Speaker 1: and if he thought it would hurt the team, he
Speaker 1: must not think they're getting you know, it's something they're getting.
Speaker 1: Here's the next level move though. You do that, you
Speaker 1: say that, then you create a trend around the league
Speaker 1: where others are saying, you know what, the Saints are smart,
Speaker 1: We're gonna do the same thing. Then the Saints secretly
Speaker 1: are meeting for two hours a day and they are
Speaker 1: getting that little bit of a Saints edge. That's good.
Speaker 1: That's like, that's kind of at two points for you
Speaker 1: mark a little a new pink pony operation. Perhaps in
Speaker 1: a way, maybe let's get back into it. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: NFC South Atlanta Falcons. Uh, start the clock. Rick, he
Speaker 1: fixed this defense. That is the that's the goal here.
Speaker 1: And Thomas Dimatrof, I mean, let's calm down with that.
Speaker 1: This guy is he's he's aggressive. He has engineered seventeen
Speaker 1: draft A deals and five trade ups up or down
Speaker 1: the first round uh since joining the Falcons as the
Speaker 1: general manager or being named the general manager. So everyone
Speaker 1: is connecting the Falcons to moving up, and um, it
Speaker 1: makes sense because they have a guy who likes to
Speaker 1: do it. Quarterback is a huge need here. Desmond true
Speaker 1: font Uh was released went to the Lions, So they
Speaker 1: are a guy that they are a team that is
Speaker 1: connected to Jeffakuda, c G C. J Henderson from Florida.
Speaker 1: But both these guys are expected to be gone at
Speaker 1: sixty and hence everyone connecting the Saints with moving up
Speaker 1: to get one of those dudes. Don't be surprised if
Speaker 1: it happens. Yeah, Vick Beasley's gone, Um Trufonts gone, Freeman's gone,
Speaker 1: a lot of Devindry Campbell's gone, a lot of the
Speaker 1: better picks Dimitroff has had and kind of who you
Speaker 1: associate with the Falcons are gone and they they need
Speaker 1: I mean, I say, you can say this about a
Speaker 1: lot of teams, but Dimitroff needs a lot of hits
Speaker 1: in this UH draft too, because he he was on
Speaker 1: a hot streak and that's kind of slowed down the
Speaker 1: last three years. Are they ever going to have a
Speaker 1: hard hitting, tough defense. This stops people. I mean what
Speaker 1: they do? I mean, they need they need a linebacker,
Speaker 1: They need some help on the defensive line, in addition
Speaker 1: to cornerback, and they need to finally just change their mentality.
Speaker 1: Stop people. You know, when when we saw them beat
Speaker 1: the Rams in that playoff game, that was the one
Speaker 1: month or two where I thought that defense really and
Speaker 1: you know, coming down the stretch of the Super year.
Speaker 1: But that when they knocked off the Rams in that
Speaker 1: playoff game, that that defense started to look like it
Speaker 1: was finally turning the corner. And then the wheels come off.
Speaker 1: You raised the interesting point West because it's almost like
Speaker 1: the vision they've had under Dan Quinn hasn't worked, you know,
Speaker 1: on defense, it just hasn't. Since we've been covering football,
Speaker 1: it's been the Pampa Bay Buccaneers. Everybody's excited about the Bucks.
Speaker 1: How about you, Chris Westling, what's going on there? Well,
Speaker 1: they've got a couple of issues. But when I look
Speaker 1: at this team and you look at the style with
Speaker 1: which Tom Brady plays quarterback, you need a third down back.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if in the second round a guy
Speaker 1: like Clyde Edwards Hilaria is there, um from l s U.
Speaker 1: Seems like a perfect guy. But then you also think
Speaker 1: would would Brady prefer a veteran in that rule? Um,
Speaker 1: So if they pick up a really good third down
Speaker 1: back and Trent Williams uh in this draft, I think
Speaker 1: that's that's what a veteran team like the Bucks needs.
Speaker 1: And they talked about a deal with you know that
Speaker 1: almost came into fruition where the Bucks sent We're gonna
Speaker 1: send O. J. Howard to Washington, and Washington was gonna
Speaker 1: send Trent Williams back. So it's definitely on the radar.
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of backs in this draft. I
Speaker 1: think in the second or third round that that can
Speaker 1: catch passes that they would that they would love to take.
Speaker 1: Cam Akers as a guy I've watched and I really liked.
Speaker 1: He was on kind of in a terrible situation at
Speaker 1: Florida State, but he has that quickness, uh, and he
Speaker 1: has some receiving ability that you love to see. And
Speaker 1: those guys tend to translate pretty well to the to
Speaker 1: the pros. Trent Williams makes so much sense for them
Speaker 1: right the window is open for a short time with
Speaker 1: Brady obviously bringing Gronk. Now this team is looking to
Speaker 1: win right now, get a thirty one year old left tackle.
Speaker 1: It's huge upside. It kind of makes sense. I guess
Speaker 1: where do you put Donovan Smith? Maybe on the right
Speaker 1: side then, I mean they have one tackle they I
Speaker 1: mean they're roster. It's kind of does remind me of
Speaker 1: the Browns because on paper the roster looks great. I
Speaker 1: know it doesn't normally work out that way, but on
Speaker 1: paper it really does look pretty d I take Donovan
Speaker 1: Smith and make him your pass catching back. He's a
Speaker 1: veteran BI remember a couple of summers ago when the
Speaker 1: Bucks are on hard knocks and we're kind of having
Speaker 1: the same conversation about them. On paper, this team looks
Speaker 1: pretty good, and the difference is they can get excited
Speaker 1: about their secondary a lot of young players that they
Speaker 1: liked how they played under my boy Tad Bowls. That's fun.
Speaker 1: You've been supporting him, that's fair. The Carolina Panthers Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: I feel like genuinely interested in the Panthers for the
Speaker 1: first time in a while, just because I kind of
Speaker 1: like reclamation projects. Um, Matt Rule was nice enough to
Speaker 1: come up and say hi to us at the combine
Speaker 1: that has more coaches should realize that has a major
Speaker 1: impact on you think we're ever gonna attack Matt Rule
Speaker 1: after that happened. I also think it's just an interesting coach.
Speaker 1: I mean, based on everyone that's worked with him loves him.
Speaker 1: But you've downgraded at quarterback. I'd say, um, you've lost
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame worthy talented linebacker and Luke Keiekley. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know you're basically looking to in theory under Matt Rule,
Speaker 1: rebuild the roster from A to Z. And I think
Speaker 1: one name that keeps sort of coming up paired with
Speaker 1: Carolina is I say A Simmons, the linebacker, who is
Speaker 1: you know, an uber athlete, but may need to certain
Speaker 1: type of defense to fit in, or you have to
Speaker 1: build a defense around him. Um. I also think that
Speaker 1: you know, if Jeff Ocuda ever slid down to them
Speaker 1: at number seven, that's a big that's a big guy
Speaker 1: to consider. James Bradberry has gone. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: you start on defense. My one question would be, and
Speaker 1: I get that Teddy Bridgewater, you know, to some people
Speaker 1: is great and probably your lock and load guy, But
Speaker 1: what specifically at Greg Rose upon it? No, I'm just saying, no,
Speaker 1: tried to make Teddy into like a world beater. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't buy Teddy is like the problematic.
Speaker 1: I don't buy him rebuilding quarterback that you built around.
Speaker 1: So if to ever fail to you is does Matt
Speaker 1: rule um hasten this rebuild quickly by saying, all right,
Speaker 1: we've gotten now two good quarterbacks. I think that makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. They're a team. No one's really
Speaker 1: talked about that much. Dan is showing me a piece
Speaker 1: of paper that's as six point oh, which is what Dan?
Speaker 1: That is? Uh? Teddy Bridgewater averaging less than six air
Speaker 1: yards per temp with the Saints lesis you know you
Speaker 1: know who did an average of many air yards per
Speaker 1: temples year like Drew Brees. You can you can win
Speaker 1: some football game. Yeah. By the way, physically record is eleven.
Speaker 1: Put some respect. That's data, bro. Walker. My son walked
Speaker 1: up to me during that and said, to you, see,
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles is my boy, all right, and Marco luck
Speaker 1: to you. I know the Panthers, you're very excited about
Speaker 1: them moving on to the NFC West to close things
Speaker 1: Outgria Cardinal alright, the Arizona Cardinals has Steve come drafting
Speaker 1: number eight with maybe the worst track record of first
Speaker 1: round picks until Kyler Murray Uh in the entire NFL.
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, Bust Hassan Reddick looking like a bus Kim,
Speaker 1: d J Bust Buchanan, Dion Buchanan and d J Humphries
Speaker 1: will give you singles and doubles for that something like that.
Speaker 1: And then Jonathan Cooper was in there. It was a
Speaker 1: massive us um number eight. He could go in any direction,
Speaker 1: like you think defensive line would make sense and and
Speaker 1: there's guys that would be worth it at the top
Speaker 1: of our draft. Ashkad No. He crashed into some magnetiles
Speaker 1: I believe and the magnetiles are are worse for wear.
Speaker 1: I don't know. They could still take a receiver, is
Speaker 1: where I was going, you know, like if they think
Speaker 1: the value is there to just go crazy and have
Speaker 1: an unbelievable offense and receiver, Like I wouldn't fault them
Speaker 1: at all because the defensive lineman at the top of
Speaker 1: the draft don't get me as excited because they're all
Speaker 1: they're all supposed to be better stopping the run than
Speaker 1: rushing the passer. That doesn't get me that excited. And
Speaker 1: we love fits, but he's year a year at this
Speaker 1: stage of his career. And if this is truly an
Speaker 1: excellent wide receiver draft class, if you love a guy,
Speaker 1: go get him. I think they're going defense. That's where
Speaker 1: I would look. If Derek Brown's there, wouldn't they just
Speaker 1: gobble him up the defensive lines, Like their defense on
Speaker 1: paper needs a lot of work, and you know on
Speaker 1: the field too, they struggled pretty badly, Like I had
Speaker 1: Derek Brown going to them in my mox so case
Speaker 1: closed nice, but a nice left tackle wouldn't hurt more
Speaker 1: lineman in general. Please, I don't know, Like when you
Speaker 1: hear I guess with Derek Brown, like he sounds a
Speaker 1: little coming out like Star Maybe not, maybe that's unfair
Speaker 1: Star LOKs lately, but those guys much bigger than maybe
Speaker 1: quinnin Williams even a little bit. It's like, well, eventually,
Speaker 1: maybe he's got to develop into a path rusher. And
Speaker 1: to me, that is the NFL as you need pass
Speaker 1: rushers from the interior one. The Rams, their situation reminds
Speaker 1: me a lot of the seventeen Saints, a former contender
Speaker 1: that needs a big draft to restock the cabinet, get
Speaker 1: the organization back on track. But there are problems there
Speaker 1: because of course, first of all, finding equivalent of Marcus Lattimore,
Speaker 1: Ryan ram Check and Albert Kamara Easier said that done
Speaker 1: that's asking comes damn near impossible when you don't have
Speaker 1: a first round pick like the Rams. So the Rams
Speaker 1: are in a really tough spot. It kind of screams
Speaker 1: transition year to me, But of course management's not gonna
Speaker 1: look at it that way. They want to contend this year,
Speaker 1: and if they're gonna get better, they have two second
Speaker 1: round picks at fifty two and fifty seven. They gotta
Speaker 1: put some focus on that offensive line. Because Todd Gurley
Speaker 1: shipped out of town. UM gave up on the franchise star.
Speaker 1: But how about the fact that well respected places like
Speaker 1: PFF rank the Rams thirty one and offensive line rankings,
Speaker 1: which was a huge fall off from their Super Bowl
Speaker 1: season in twenty eighteen. UM, so they got to invest
Speaker 1: in that. I know they brought back Andrew Whitworth, but
Speaker 1: he's old and they got to get some fresh talent
Speaker 1: in there. Jared Goth needs a big year, uh, and
Speaker 1: get some hogs up front, and hopefully you hit on
Speaker 1: a couple of these guys. It's gonna take time to
Speaker 1: get the Rams back on track, but pressure on less
Speaker 1: need in the second round. Here, what a few draft
Speaker 1: picks they've had the last couple of years, third, fourth,
Speaker 1: fifth round they've been using on offensive tackles, and I
Speaker 1: think the jury is still out. Nobody really knows if
Speaker 1: those guys can play. They were really high on Joseph
Speaker 1: note Boom and he was graded terribly by PFF last
Speaker 1: year before he got injured. So I think you're right
Speaker 1: that's still an issue because nobody really knows what they
Speaker 1: have there. Well. They like Josh Reynolds. They say trading
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks was a vote of confidence. They do have
Speaker 1: some things. I mean, they have Woods Coop Cup, they
Speaker 1: have Sean McVeigh. Collin plays, and they have Aaron Donald
Speaker 1: and Jalen Ramsey arguably the best players at their respective positions.
Speaker 1: But you're right, there's more needs here, and I think
Speaker 1: offensive line interior is certainly one, but just playmakers in general,
Speaker 1: whether it's running backsight, in anything. They need a lot
Speaker 1: of needs, not a lot of money, and not a
Speaker 1: lot of picks right now. So they're just kind of
Speaker 1: a bit of a buying here. Good luck, my building
Speaker 1: might not open on time now. West the Seahawks, I
Speaker 1: feel like all throughout January and feb worry we kept
Speaker 1: hearing from insiders. You know, if you're looking for a
Speaker 1: team to really surprise and free agency to go guns
Speaker 1: blazing all out, who boy, those Seattle I mean Brandon
Speaker 1: Shell and Vincent Mayola aren't really doing it for me.
Speaker 1: I'm not really impressed with what they've done in their
Speaker 1: off season so far. Maybe maybe they're the team that
Speaker 1: goes after Yannick and gock Way. Uh. They they have
Speaker 1: a guy who trades as much as anybody on draft
Speaker 1: Day and John Schneider, so I wouldn't look there, and
Speaker 1: then maybe I still don't trust the tackle situation outside
Speaker 1: of Dwayne Brown, So maybe you go Austin Jackson, like,
Speaker 1: what are you laughing at this? We're gonna pause because
Speaker 1: I want west Avis full two minutes. But on the
Speaker 1: subreddit which check it out and around the NFL, there's
Speaker 1: an entire thread right now dedicated to Greg going after
Speaker 1: a lot of people like it. Though a lot of
Speaker 1: people it's not being criticized. It's more just like a study.
Speaker 1: And when Greg does it, once you hear it, you
Speaker 1: can't unhear it. And now I can't unhear it. Although
Speaker 1: I've always it's always been in the back of my mind,
Speaker 1: but I guess after seeing that thread right now, it's
Speaker 1: in the front of my mind. I mean, Michael Barbarow
Speaker 1: of The Daily I don't know if you guys he
Speaker 1: stole it from me. He's a big ummer. And that
Speaker 1: was essentially saying Mark Sessler had that very trade uh
Speaker 1: In Gockway to the Seahawks in his mock draft. Well
Speaker 1: that where it was planted in my mind. West You're
Speaker 1: back on the clock. You have eighty five seconds. Well
Speaker 1: I was done. I just want the Seahawks to make
Speaker 1: some moves. They the gockway because they do have those
Speaker 1: two second rounders. And I tell me if I have
Speaker 1: this wrong, but I think I read that Schneider has
Speaker 1: traded down at least with one of their picks out
Speaker 1: of the first round eight times, and so you could
Speaker 1: get another you know, draft pick is ammunition to go
Speaker 1: get in a gowckway, and then it solved your clowney situation.
Speaker 1: I with you. There are wheelers and dealers, and I
Speaker 1: don't think that they're going to make it anything less
Speaker 1: than an exciting Seahawks draft in one way or another.
Speaker 1: This is why I never look at the the subreddit.
Speaker 1: Never have because now that you told me that I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't want to know that now it's gonna change
Speaker 1: how I am. I'm if I'm doing it, I'm leaning
Speaker 1: into it, and instead I'll pro my more of my
Speaker 1: nature is I'm gonna pull back and not do it
Speaker 1: as much. I don't think. I do think that's the
Speaker 1: way to look at it. I mean, there's there's a
Speaker 1: whole breakdown of of the inflection of your voice and
Speaker 1: where you come from and certain words that you say.
Speaker 1: It's a really kind of fascinating look into how people
Speaker 1: hear you. And that's sometimes it's a positive that you've
Speaker 1: heard something you like, and it's sometimes you've heard something
Speaker 1: that you um dismissed entirely orients scattered. I noticed a
Speaker 1: few years ago one of these things. You can never
Speaker 1: under here, but I enjoy it L O L and
Speaker 1: really reveals who he's viben with on any particular episode
Speaker 1: based on who he's doing it at them most I
Speaker 1: love and looking too deeply into that, you know how
Speaker 1: to hear that. Okay, where are we at? We're getting
Speaker 1: We're getting near the end here. This is actually the end.
Speaker 1: The San Francisco forty nine is more success. By the way,
Speaker 1: I'm now wondering if I'm gonna get any ooms from
Speaker 1: Greg based on you need you need them. So it's
Speaker 1: it's it's something the monitor, um right, please, I mean
Speaker 1: the Niners are what a weird week because and I
Speaker 1: realized that they've denied some of this, but de Ford,
Speaker 1: um Kwan, Alexander come up and trade talks. Mike Lombardi
Speaker 1: cited that, um, they're openly shopping Marquis Goodwin, h Chi,
Speaker 1: Whiskey Tart. I mean, so there's a lot of potential
Speaker 1: movement here. They have some cap concerns, and I think
Speaker 1: that's why some of that's happening. But for me, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're also gonna move to Forest Buckner, your defense
Speaker 1: could potentially look a lot different. So you cannot get
Speaker 1: a developmental guy um with that pick from the cults.
Speaker 1: I mean that seems overtly obvious. But I think they
Speaker 1: really need a flip the switch type of guy that
Speaker 1: keeps the Super Bowl window wide open. And I don't
Speaker 1: think you need to get too crazy here. It seems
Speaker 1: to be wide receiver and they're in a good position
Speaker 1: to get Ceedee Lamb or Henry Ruggs or Jerry Judy.
Speaker 1: I don't know why you would do anything other than that.
Speaker 1: And I think that when general manager John Lynch saw
Speaker 1: me walking around the combine in a in a bathroom,
Speaker 1: he was thinking these exact same things all the way
Speaker 1: back then. Ian what they had to do, I mean,
Speaker 1: they could have and ago. It really does the fact
Speaker 1: that we were even allowed to do that UM feel
Speaker 1: suspicious UM and maybe that was the heart of where
Speaker 1: we are today. That might have been the one of
Speaker 1: the pandemic um colonels right there. I'm not sure, that's
Speaker 1: a new scouting term for me. Flip the switch guy,
Speaker 1: Can you unpack that one for me? Well, I think
Speaker 1: you just like a guy that like, suddenly their wide
Speaker 1: receiver group is one of the best in the NFC
Speaker 1: and a total headache to handle. If they nailed, um,
Speaker 1: the right wide receiver pick with number thirteen, Suddenly, you
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan could do all sorts of wonders with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who's their number two receiver? I mean that's even saying
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel's your number one? If you Travis Benjamin, I know,
Speaker 1: like Kyle Shanahan, but yeah, you want you want a
Speaker 1: more talented horn old line helped to We just went
Speaker 1: around the NFC in thirty two minutes. Good work everybody,
Speaker 1: and um, let's not delay it. He's already. Uh, he's backstage.
Speaker 1: He's ready to go. He's wearing an old school new
Speaker 1: Jersey nets. Oh I love that shirt. That is taking
Speaker 1: me back the eighties. Um spice Rack, welcome back to
Speaker 1: the Round the NFL podcast and for the first time
Speaker 1: on video. And he's still got the looks. Handsome guy,
Speaker 1: he said, and even told me Shaved had the dimples
Speaker 1: on two days ago. Then you're scheduling me. But uh,
Speaker 1: it's good to see your freaking faces. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: the audio and video or a little bit out of sync,
Speaker 1: so uh, it's a little strange here, but it's nice
Speaker 1: to see your faces, especially man Cessler. Yeah, right with
Speaker 1: the market teams seconds. He's already complained about the audio
Speaker 1: and a couple of days ago. I love this guy.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, we want to We definitely want to have
Speaker 1: have you focus. So I'm sorry that we had to
Speaker 1: we had to rebook you twenty four hour delay, but um,
Speaker 1: we're very excited Spice, because it's been two years since
Speaker 1: you've been on the show and you've had some draft hits.
Speaker 1: You've had some Mrs. Jonathan Williams comes to mind, but
Speaker 1: you've also you're a guy that's plugged in hit. He
Speaker 1: had a hit, Jonathan Williams, a hit, he's got one.
Speaker 1: Last year when he was great for two games, they
Speaker 1: pulled him and then the Colts melted down the stretch.
Speaker 1: Last year, it was more of a miss because we
Speaker 1: asked for a number of names that year and the
Speaker 1: only one you would give us to the fifth round
Speaker 1: running back, Like if you were if Bob McGinn was
Speaker 1: giving you a scouting report, you know, I'd be like, really,
Speaker 1: not his stuff. You know, picks a lot of great players,
Speaker 1: like knows a lot, and then like the negative ones
Speaker 1: at the bottom would be like, it's totally it's unreliable.
Speaker 1: Some years just doesn't show up. Uh. Imagine if Jonathan Williams. No,
Speaker 1: imagine if Jonathan Williams would have taken the league by storm,
Speaker 1: you'd have an argument there. Then, Um, alright, so let's
Speaker 1: keep you off his career yet though, write off his
Speaker 1: career yet, let's stay topical, all right, So, spice Wreck,
Speaker 1: you are a guy. We don't need Spicy to tell
Speaker 1: us that Joe Burrow is good. But what we want
Speaker 1: Spicy to tell us about some guys that that he
Speaker 1: loves because I know, Spicy, you're not in the desert anymore.
Speaker 1: And you don't even have to say where you are
Speaker 1: if you don't want to. I have no idea what
Speaker 1: you're up to these days, but you're not at the desert. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: if you were at the desert, I'm sure a lot
Speaker 1: of people that you worked with the top of that
Speaker 1: pool are not employed right now. So it's a tough
Speaker 1: situation in Vegas. Maybe you got out of there just
Speaker 1: a time. Um, but perhaps are you? Are you still
Speaker 1: tracking sports and college football as closely as you did
Speaker 1: during your Vegas heyday. I'm not not out of Vegas.
Speaker 1: A and B. Of course you already know that. Of
Speaker 1: course I I watch all the sports, and right now
Speaker 1: during the uh you know, in our time of quarantine,
Speaker 1: I'm following sports. I never thought i'd follow, you know,
Speaker 1: than baseball, Taiwan Taiwanese baseball, Russian ping pong, Belarusian soccer, soccer.
Speaker 1: Who's looking good? And I wish I had? I don't know. Listen,
Speaker 1: let's take my word it your love of sports, Yeah,
Speaker 1: as strong as I've ever been. And so why don't
Speaker 1: we get into its spicy and we know more than
Speaker 1: to ask for a set number I had mentioned maybe
Speaker 1: on text five or whatever. But the guys are right like,
Speaker 1: we'll take essentially what you've got. So whatever you have,
Speaker 1: guys that have captured your imagination, Guys that are gonna
Speaker 1: be big scores, whether it's around one guy or some
Speaker 1: of you can get a little deeper, get us go
Speaker 1: and name one for us. Well, I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: not exactly off the rate oh, thanks for the music.
Speaker 1: Not exactly sure it's off the radar, but you know
Speaker 1: two attack of Miloa is about it is funny college
Speaker 1: football players I've ever seen in my life. Um, I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy basically didn't. This is what we're doing with
Speaker 1: the clown music here, this is I don't see that
Speaker 1: gets this background. The name of the song in se oh,
Speaker 1: sugar and spice. So you you think it'd be crazy
Speaker 1: for for the Dolphins to pass on him, you you
Speaker 1: would think it that would be insane at some point
Speaker 1: early on in the top ten. I mean, really, I
Speaker 1: think starting to pick two teams that need a quarterback
Speaker 1: are going to be um, They're gonna have to consider,
Speaker 1: do we really want to pass this guy up because
Speaker 1: health situation? Possibly? He is um as accurate pastor as
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. He is um And I mean, if
Speaker 1: I can take you back to the first time I've
Speaker 1: ever even heard of this guy, and it's probably the
Speaker 1: case with with many people his You know, Alabama's going
Speaker 1: for the national championship against Georgia and he's struggling, or
Speaker 1: I should say, uh, Jalen Hurts and the team Alabama
Speaker 1: in general are struggling. It might have been thirteen nothing
Speaker 1: at half, but it was one sided Georgia, and Uh,
Speaker 1: as a gambler that night, you told me to embrace
Speaker 1: my Jimmy the Greek their handsas the only the only chance,
Speaker 1: the only chance I have here tonight is Nick Saban
Speaker 1: making an adjustment at halftime, and he comes out in
Speaker 1: the third quarter with a freshman left hander from Hawaii
Speaker 1: that most people had never heard of before. And uh,
Speaker 1: I mean he won him a national championship. He was
Speaker 1: He's basically been perfect from the start of that third
Speaker 1: quarter through uh, you know, up until getting hurt this
Speaker 1: past season. So I mean I see a lot of
Speaker 1: I see a lot of Drew. Okay, what do you
Speaker 1: think peptics? Our friend, your friend of mine, cam Carey,
Speaker 1: one of them maybe who might point out that your
Speaker 1: scattering report for to a ton of Violoa sounds a
Speaker 1: lot like your scattering report for Kellen Moore when he
Speaker 1: came into the league. Another south Paw spice huge on
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore. I still am a place for him. No,
Speaker 1: you know, Beats two has got a stronger arm. Noticeably,
Speaker 1: He's more sturdily built. That's obvious, Um, you know. So
Speaker 1: it's it's a little different. I don't mind that I
Speaker 1: was wrong about Kellen Moore. I didn't write about enough guys.
Speaker 1: That doesn't make to it to me. It seems to
Speaker 1: it to me, seems like you know, a left handed
Speaker 1: Drew Brees and uh, you know when the when when
Speaker 1: that thirteen when the thirteen score wonder like score came out,
Speaker 1: which I understand it's it's a nineteen and I was
Speaker 1: a false report, but I just rolled my eyes. I
Speaker 1: didn't care. He's so obviously a cerebral player. That can't
Speaker 1: be I mean, it's that can't be questioned with a
Speaker 1: guy like to He's he's, uh, one of those really
Speaker 1: smart scramblers. All the stars a star. Alright, give us
Speaker 1: somebody else spicy like that. We're off to a good start.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I mean, do you are you in
Speaker 1: another star or just another human somebody everyone found in
Speaker 1: the table? Someone spicy guy. It's a spice guy, and
Speaker 1: your future on this show depends on it. I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: Well more Jackson wasn't good enough. Okay, Okay, you weren't big.
Speaker 1: Where does it bring it up? What does bring it up?
Speaker 1: You can come back, but we're gonna bring it up.
Speaker 1: You know so, so it's a guy you're staking your
Speaker 1: name to. Antoine Winfield Jr. Now full disclosure, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: biased his his dad probably my favorite UH Ohio State
Speaker 1: Buckeye of all time, the as far as five eighty
Speaker 1: pound corners go. He's like, he's the best tackler I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. He's sure tackler I've ever seen as a
Speaker 1: little guy. Oh, I don't mind putting that on there.
Speaker 1: That's that's an easy one for better than his dad.
Speaker 1: His dad might be the best tackling. The dad, the dad,
Speaker 1: the dad is the best I've ever seen. His the kid,
Speaker 1: the kid, the kid, the prospect from Minnesota probably has
Speaker 1: uh definitely has I would say better ball skills. Maybe
Speaker 1: not maybe not the tackler, but definitely has that place
Speaker 1: with a chip on the shoulder, just you know, just
Speaker 1: it's it's obvious when you watch him play that he
Speaker 1: was a difference maker. He was a leader, and I'm
Speaker 1: a I'm an ants on Winfield guy. I'm also metting
Speaker 1: on him to go higher than was a great player.
Speaker 1: He won the fourth Award as a corner without without
Speaker 1: recording an interception. So do you think he led? He
Speaker 1: lit Oi have stayed in tackles, and he played on
Speaker 1: the same team as Andy Katzimore. I'm dating myself with
Speaker 1: the references. Here's a little guy. He didn't just pick
Speaker 1: it's a little guy. He didn't just stick his nose
Speaker 1: in there. I mean, he never he never missed a tackle.
Speaker 1: So I'm rooting for him, and I'm I'm rooting for
Speaker 1: Anton Winfield Junior in a major way. I'm biased, undoubted,
Speaker 1: but he's a player, and he's a proven player for
Speaker 1: a couple of years. I him being a bust any.
Speaker 1: So if somebody takes him in the back of the
Speaker 1: first round, you wouldn't You're you're saying that's not a
Speaker 1: bad pick. You're fine with that. It's not a reach, alright,
Speaker 1: somebody else, I feel good. This is a good one
Speaker 1: so far. Let me pin you down on a polarizing guy.
Speaker 1: What do you think of Jordan's love m I'm out quarterback.
Speaker 1: I'm out. He's um. He looks the part. He's six,
Speaker 1: you know. I think he ran a four seven ish
Speaker 1: h forty at the combine, which is of course a
Speaker 1: great score for a guy his size. But in three
Speaker 1: years of starting basically every game, this guy rushed for
Speaker 1: four hundred yards on two yards to carry playing at
Speaker 1: Utah State Utah, that's right, that's right. So if you're
Speaker 1: a good athlete, you're playing on a bad you know,
Speaker 1: our average team, you're you would think you're you're either
Speaker 1: playing from behind or being chased on a bunch of
Speaker 1: I think back to maybe um Jay Cutler at Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1: He didn't take him over the top right, but you
Speaker 1: could see his skills. He was running for his life,
Speaker 1: throwing on the run. And so I saw of a
Speaker 1: guy in Jordan's love, someone who uh, instinctively, I just
Speaker 1: didn't get it. He wasn't the best runner, he was sad,
Speaker 1: he was safe. He only put up one good season,
Speaker 1: which is okay, that's fine coaching. But I just a
Speaker 1: guy with his um, with his athleticism, he should have
Speaker 1: been able to yards per season. You don't like out,
Speaker 1: you don't like So I want to know who you hate.
Speaker 1: Who is the guy people are pumping up but you
Speaker 1: can't stand. You don't think he's a player at all
Speaker 1: at the top level. Jordan's Love is not good enough.
Speaker 1: I know you don't like Jordan. I'd rather I'd rather
Speaker 1: who else not. We know that come from who got,
Speaker 1: who made you money? Who lost you money? That's the secret,
Speaker 1: sauce Chris Snip. All right, I can play that game.
Speaker 1: But if you want to go back to Antoine Winfield Jr.
Speaker 1: And a monster party, all we got? We got? Can
Speaker 1: I another guy's friends? No hold on, let me let
Speaker 1: me ask another question here. High State has a great
Speaker 1: history with cornerback Award Marcus Lattimore. Where's Jeff Okuda in
Speaker 1: the in this in this group? Marshawn little More? Oh,
Speaker 1: he's he's a stud cam mess. I mean, what's the
Speaker 1: snickering for. I don't know that messed up Lattimore's name?
Speaker 1: No fair enough, fair enough givies part I mean he
Speaker 1: he warrants to pick. He wants to pick. It seemed
Speaker 1: it seemed pretty obvious all through last year that this
Speaker 1: is that kind of player. I think he'll he'll keep
Speaker 1: the tradition going. Let's go. Let's go quick here, Spicy,
Speaker 1: give me like a good day too. Guy. Who's the
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna be picked up? Not in the first round,
Speaker 1: but you think it end up being a big time contributor,
Speaker 1: perhaps quickly anybody jumps out of you Antonio, I would
Speaker 1: say Antonio Gibson from Memphis. I think he's a pretty Um.
Speaker 1: I think he's a pretty trendy name along gut. But
Speaker 1: he's a he's a jackal trades. What do you think run?
Speaker 1: He's just a weapon. I don't know that. The thing is,
Speaker 1: he's not that Tyreek Hills scat back size. He's he's
Speaker 1: he's built and runs and plays a lot like ant
Speaker 1: Kwam Bolden in my opinion. So yeah, he's shifting. He's
Speaker 1: not the fastest, but he's shifty and he's strong and uh,
Speaker 1: he's not looking to go down. I mean he'll fight
Speaker 1: in the end. Um, he's bigger than that. He's bigger.
Speaker 1: Do you think do you think he plays un receiver like?
Speaker 1: Which would I love going? Are you drafting? I think
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, he'll be He'll be a receiver that
Speaker 1: touches the ball a lot plus the return game. Um.
Speaker 1: But I'm a fan of Antonio Gibson. And then I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, I don't know where if you're looking
Speaker 1: for one other guy, I don't. I don't know where
Speaker 1: he's um slated to go. But Cole McDonald, the quarterback
Speaker 1: in Hawaii, UM, I don't know if he's fourth round,
Speaker 1: seventh round. He's on he's on the radar, he's on
Speaker 1: the right. It's not that deep, it's not that deep.
Speaker 1: He's uh, he's a tall guy. He's a pretty good athlete,
Speaker 1: and uh, he will absolutely ld Cole McDonald. Cole McDonald,
Speaker 1: I mean he's got he's taller than these guys. But
Speaker 1: he's got some John Kittenah Jake Delone, Um, well you know,
Speaker 1: well those guys weren't failures in life. But if you're
Speaker 1: drafting him in the sixth round, okay, you've got a
Speaker 1: guy who's done something. I mean he'll he'll let it
Speaker 1: rip downfield. I could see him starting. I mean, Jake
Speaker 1: Delone went to the Super Bowl, went to a conference
Speaker 1: championship game. I mean, he didn't do nothing that um,
Speaker 1: but but he you know, he's a tall guy, he's
Speaker 1: a decent athlete, and he'll let it rip. I mean
Speaker 1: he'll let it rip. So the guy in this draft
Speaker 1: class that you think is the absolute slam dunk home run,
Speaker 1: is that too over? Even Burrow? No? I mean Burrow
Speaker 1: to me is an obvious first over pick. And is
Speaker 1: there anyone that anyone's really in his class? And maybe
Speaker 1: he's before we say goodbye to you, spicy, and this
Speaker 1: has been a great appearance. Um, is there anybody you
Speaker 1: want to get out there? So when you hang up
Speaker 1: right now and we and we say goodbye, you're not
Speaker 1: thinking yourself. Damn it. I can't believe I didn't mention
Speaker 1: player at well. I would just say, uh, ceedee, lamb.
Speaker 1: You know again. Not not an author radar guy by
Speaker 1: any stretch. But this is one of the best wide
Speaker 1: receiver drafts of all time. I think that's been established
Speaker 1: by all kinds of people. And uh, I feel pretty
Speaker 1: confident he's gonna be the best guy. But he'll he'll
Speaker 1: he'll be the best. He'll be I'll be the best
Speaker 1: receiver from this draft. Uman, he can run past you,
Speaker 1: he can make you miss. And then for a guy
Speaker 1: with a slight frame, I mean he's got a sort
Speaker 1: of a Chad Johnson Isaac Bruce frame. I mean he'll
Speaker 1: he'll throw a stiff arm in traffic and do it.
Speaker 1: I mean he'll he is really impressive with the ball
Speaker 1: in his hands. And uh, I'm bet on him tomor
Speaker 1: night to go on the top eleven and a half.
Speaker 1: What about Denzel Mims, Bob Bates, Dds, Greg Rosenthal pounded
Speaker 1: the table for the Bailor stand out. I'm a bit
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan. I mean
Speaker 1: I like him a lot. I love Justin, I love
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, love Jalen Reagor. There's a lot of recent
Speaker 1: I mean, Jerry Judy is a given. Henry Ruggs, I
Speaker 1: mean he's probably fast enough and first off that he'll
Speaker 1: be you know, he'll be a keeper. But he was
Speaker 1: pretty clearly the third bet. He was. He was pretty
Speaker 1: clearly the third best receiver UH at Alabama last year.
Speaker 1: That means your garbage, but you know, spicy, Just what
Speaker 1: are your thoughts about the scouts who in Bob McGinn
Speaker 1: series did not rank old McDonald as one of the
Speaker 1: top twelve quarterbacks like he is listed alphabetically in the
Speaker 1: others section. Old McDonald, if I had if I had
Speaker 1: a strong opinion about staying on the farm and an
Speaker 1: experts said otherwise, I'm staying on the farm. Hands is
Speaker 1: because you've got a sexy beard. That's a fact. Oh yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I see this is this is awesome. In fact, we're
Speaker 1: never when we do this again, it will never not
Speaker 1: be on video because it just adds so much more
Speaker 1: to the whole thing. We love two thousand twenty two,
Speaker 1: Lock it in. Yeah, everything is everything, okay with you?
Speaker 1: But Eric America during this saying I am sweating. This
Speaker 1: is intent, that's the this is a thrill ride. This wait,
Speaker 1: watching speed in the theater. The effect that you have
Speaker 1: on women apparently, um from what we're hearing, Yeah, what's
Speaker 1: going on? You got a girl right now? You got
Speaker 1: a girl? What's your question? You got a girl? I
Speaker 1: mean I heard, I heard the question. There's a few
Speaker 1: ways you can stall, and one of them is by
Speaker 1: asking what's the question? Radio one on one. Right there
Speaker 1: you go, Spicy, Thank you buddy, and stay safe and
Speaker 1: stay well. You get the fire pick, come back out,
Speaker 1: keep keep the seat warm, baby. Alright, there you go,
Speaker 1: Spice racking Desert Consigliari the man, the myth, the legend,
Speaker 1: and he brought it today. I thought he had a
Speaker 1: lot of Yeah. If someone maybe on that subreddit, when
Speaker 1: they're done breaking down Greg's speech patterns, they can give
Speaker 1: us a full listing of the guy's Spicy believes in
Speaker 1: because I think we gotta. I think he hammered off
Speaker 1: about seven or eight. It was a little dicey there
Speaker 1: for a while. But I think we got a pretty
Speaker 1: good draft breaker. I'd say this too. I thought when
Speaker 1: he opened with two, I thought we're gonna get you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what we're gonna get. You never know
Speaker 1: what you're gonna get. But I loved what he said
Speaker 1: about to he He offered a lot of good information
Speaker 1: on him. It was good to hear something positive about too.
Speaker 1: It's been an end of the draft process not been
Speaker 1: kind to Mr TUNGABLOA Ricky, you're sweating during that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was something else. It's good. He's good
Speaker 1: radio though. Yeah, that was great and not just feel
Speaker 1: more alive, you know when spicy is on the screen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but its goods. If he didn't have the goods, if
Speaker 1: it didn't bring good analysis, it wouldn't work. But I
Speaker 1: think that's why we bring him back. It also gives
Speaker 1: us something to root for when it comes to old McDonald.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna be checking career. He's the new
Speaker 1: Jonathan Williams. Picture like fifteen of those guys in the
Speaker 1: same room. And that's what's like to hang out on
Speaker 1: the West side of Cincinnati, all right there quick. I
Speaker 1: know when we're doing. We're are doing our next live show.
Speaker 1: All right. Um, that's it for our lead up to
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. The next time you hear from us
Speaker 1: will be depending on what part of the world you're in,
Speaker 1: but we will have a Day one, Round one draft
Speaker 1: recap going up hopefully within about let's say, what do
Speaker 1: we say, Ricky, about two hours after the end of
Speaker 1: the first on you will have that on your phone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so in that range. Yeah, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: We're gonna get recording as soon as round one ends
Speaker 1: and then get it out to everybody. And then Friday, Um,
Speaker 1: that Thursday night show will stand as our Friday show,
Speaker 1: so make sure everybody uh listens to that because that's
Speaker 1: one of the biggest shows of the year. And then
Speaker 1: on Saturday Night. Uh, it only happens once a year.
Speaker 1: We will do maybe twice a year late in the
Speaker 1: regular season with these Week sixteen and Weeks seventeen games,
Speaker 1: but a Saturday night podcast recapping the entire draft and
Speaker 1: you know, sharing some winners and losers and just having
Speaker 1: having fun with it in times that aren't so fun.
Speaker 1: So and then I don't know what we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about after then we're in a little bit of hot
Speaker 1: water and signing off four Quiet Storm, the mail Man,
Speaker 1: the old Boss Ricky Hollywood, and the great Spice Rack.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Buddy, Jil the draft h