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Speaker 1: Monday Morning Podcast. Dave Juanstead got some Chicago Bear talk,
Speaker 1: some NFO combine talk, some draft talk, Dallas cowboy chatter.
Speaker 1: Let's start with this for ten minutes. So the last
Speaker 1: two years I have watched less and less NFL combine
Speaker 1: and I'm going to describe right now. And this could
Speaker 1: bore some of you. But one of the reasons I
Speaker 1: love coming on this podcast that it's different than my
Speaker 1: show podcast is I can take on topics and discuss
Speaker 1: things that I would never discuss obviously on my show,
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk a little bit about the process
Speaker 1: of the way I do this business. So I've always said,
Speaker 1: you drive the bus. I'm not loyal to platforms and
Speaker 1: I'm not loyal to leagues. When I started in this business,
Speaker 1: I did a lot more college football than it got
Speaker 1: very regional, and over the last seven eight nine years,
Speaker 1: with Alabama and Clemson's dominance, I did less college football.
Speaker 1: This year, I did more college football than I've ever
Speaker 1: done because I thought the West Coast had a little
Speaker 1: bit of a renaissance. Michigan had a renaissance. So I
Speaker 1: want the Michigan's and the USCS and the Notre Dames
Speaker 1: to be viable, not just three southern schools. And so
Speaker 1: I talked more college football. And the ratings went up
Speaker 1: in college football. So fifteen years ago I moved off baseball.
Speaker 1: Why because I watched the ratings, and I watched slowly
Speaker 1: the attendants go down, and the ratings go down, and
Speaker 1: the social currency go down. And so I am loyal
Speaker 1: to what you're watching. Okay, it's like it's a it's
Speaker 1: a grocery store. What you're buying, I'm selling. And so
Speaker 1: the NFL combine doesn't get huge ratings. But in the
Speaker 1: last couple of years I used to already be into it,
Speaker 1: not as much as the draft, of the season, or
Speaker 1: the playoffs or college football. But I liked combine. It's
Speaker 1: a beauty page and I always understood that. But when
Speaker 1: Sean McVay says, I'm not going this year, Bill Belichick,
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur, I'm not going. I had a conversation with
Speaker 1: a general manager in the NFL earlier last week, and
Speaker 1: you know, I threw out my theory to him. That
Speaker 1: was I said, if you told a young person. Trent
Speaker 1: Dilford told me this years ago, seventy five percent of
Speaker 1: NFL players to love football. They love what football provides
Speaker 1: for them, but they don't really love football. Tony Gonzalez,
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame tight end, once told me he
Speaker 1: thought three percent of players loved the game. Loved the game,
Speaker 1: not the lifestyle, the game and putting in the effort
Speaker 1: for the game. And so one of the things I've
Speaker 1: thought a lot about what the combine is. I think
Speaker 1: more teams get fooled than actually find a gym. Because
Speaker 1: if you go to the last ten drafts and you
Speaker 1: look at some of the great combine performances, teams are
Speaker 1: over drafting players, and so when you combine some of
Speaker 1: the reaches in the draft with Dilfer and Tony Gonzalez's theory,
Speaker 1: let me just throw this out to you. If I
Speaker 1: told you, listen, if you work really hard for the
Speaker 1: next eight to ten weeks and get in the best
Speaker 1: shape of your life, you're going to be richer than
Speaker 1: you ever dreamed, and you're going to go first or
Speaker 1: second round, even though a year ago you were thought
Speaker 1: of as a third or a fourth rounder. Would you
Speaker 1: put in the work, of course, you would much different
Speaker 1: than playing a season then working out in Arizona or
Speaker 1: Miami at an academy for eight to ten weeks, prepping
Speaker 1: for the interviews, getting abs back, putting in the time
Speaker 1: that you would have to put in on a daily
Speaker 1: basis if you're an NFL player. So you get these
Speaker 1: guys that come in and they're in the best shape
Speaker 1: of their life, they have been. They know exactly the
Speaker 1: questions they'll be asked. And I think what happens is
Speaker 1: people get fooled, People get absolutely fooled. And I think
Speaker 1: it's just it's our human nature. If we're going to
Speaker 1: be rewarded. We're gonna really focus. And that's why to
Speaker 1: me Belichick, Sean McVay, Matt Lafleur, I'm gonna pass. They
Speaker 1: don't want to get fooled. Go watch game tape. Game
Speaker 1: tapes the truth because you have to play hurt in games,
Speaker 1: you have to play against people that are bigger and
Speaker 1: stronger than you. How do you react to that. That's
Speaker 1: the NFL, that's real game tape in the SEC or
Speaker 1: Big ten, that's real, a real performance, not ten to
Speaker 1: twelve weeks working out in Arizona and Miami getting in
Speaker 1: the greatest shape of your life, therefore getting a pay
Speaker 1: day soon thereafter in the NFL draft. It's not real life.
Speaker 1: And I think for all of us, I want to
Speaker 1: see your actual resume job performance. What were you like
Speaker 1: for four to five years at your job? Not prepping
Speaker 1: for an interview with me. Players now prep for the
Speaker 1: wonder lick. You can practice the wonder lick. It used
Speaker 1: to be if a guy scored high, it was just
Speaker 1: he was brilliant. Now guys score in the thirties. And
Speaker 1: I think some of the times, I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: they make really bad decisions. As a quarterback. How do
Speaker 1: they get a thirty six on the wonderlick? So I
Speaker 1: see the numbers for the combine, I've peeled back on
Speaker 1: my combine top. I just don't think it's as relevant
Speaker 1: as I thought it was years ago. And I'll give
Speaker 1: you another example of this is college basketball. So twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, I was working in local sports. Twenty five
Speaker 1: years ago, I was in Las Vegas covering Jerry Tarkanian
Speaker 1: in UNLV. College basketball was, arguably, along with college football,
Speaker 1: my favorite sport. Us to be much more into college
Speaker 1: sports twenty five years ago. Now I like college football more,
Speaker 1: but college basketball I have waned over the last ten
Speaker 1: to twelve years, and for the obvious reasons, the numbers
Speaker 1: have plummeted. People still watch the tournament in the brackets,
Speaker 1: but they don't watch the regular season, and there's a
Speaker 1: reason for it. It's confusing. It is such a transactional sport.
Speaker 1: Now the very best players, in fact, the two best
Speaker 1: players in this year's NBA draft are not even playing college.
Speaker 1: They've opted out of college. You know, many of the
Speaker 1: other great players are international. None of us have a
Speaker 1: visceral connection to them. We don't watch them play in Duseldorf, Lithuania,
Speaker 1: and then maybe the eight or ten best college players.
Speaker 1: They just stay one year in college. So at the
Speaker 1: time you meet him in March Madness, they're they're off
Speaker 1: to the pros. So that makes it less unless you
Speaker 1: live in a Spokane or an East Lancing or a
Speaker 1: Louisville and you've got your team you just love. For
Speaker 1: the majority of the audience that watches me, they don't,
Speaker 1: and so it's just a turnstyle of players. Now, over
Speaker 1: the last two years, we've added the transfer portal. Well,
Speaker 1: it's insane. Literally, every there's three hundred and sixty Division
Speaker 1: one programs, half the rosters are now leaving to go
Speaker 1: somewhere else. So the transactional nature of college basketball, between
Speaker 1: the one and done culture and the transfer portal, I
Speaker 1: think really hurts the sport. And I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any coming back. I just it's hard to follow. Now.
Speaker 1: I will say this, I've watched UCLA, which is eight
Speaker 1: minutes from my house. I've watched them play three to
Speaker 1: four times. They're as good as anybody I've seen in
Speaker 1: the country. There's my expert opinion. I've watched Perdue three
Speaker 1: or four times. There is a good as anybody not
Speaker 1: named UCLA. I've watched Duke in Kansas three or four times.
Speaker 1: Very good teams don't think they're as good as Perdue
Speaker 1: or UCLA. But the Big Ten doesn't have a history
Speaker 1: of win a national title. If you have to go
Speaker 1: back a long way to remember the last Big Ten
Speaker 1: national champ. So this all goes back to the process
Speaker 1: of what I do I really follow you? So right
Speaker 1: now my shows on FS one Premiere are about sixty
Speaker 1: percent NFL sixty five, about twenty five percent NBA, a
Speaker 1: lot of an April, May in June, and then I'm
Speaker 1: about five to eight percent college football. I include the
Speaker 1: Draft in that coverage. I'll cover the World Cup, I'll
Speaker 1: cover a big fight, you know, an unbelievable Masters gets
Speaker 1: a segment or two, little bit of March madness. But
Speaker 1: I find the NFL combine in college basketball. I'm not
Speaker 1: loyal to platforms and I'm not loyal to events. You
Speaker 1: tell me what you like, and I think people in
Speaker 1: the NFL are realizing with the combine, you're as likely
Speaker 1: or more likely to get fooled by the combine as
Speaker 1: you are find a gem or a diamond in the rough.
Speaker 1: All right. So I watched the couple of NBA games
Speaker 1: I watched flying from Portland, Oregon, back to LA I
Speaker 1: was in Portland over the weekend. I watched the Mavericks
Speaker 1: and the Suns. The entire game. I called it. Kd's good.
Speaker 1: Nobody saw that coming. He's a really easy fit with Phoenix.
Speaker 1: Phoenix isn't great to offensively, and it's going to be
Speaker 1: an issue, and they're not terribly deep little Cameron Payne here.
Speaker 1: The bench goes about too deep, maybe three deep, but
Speaker 1: they don't have a ton off the bench, and I
Speaker 1: do think it'll probably be their undoing against the team
Speaker 1: that's much deeper, like you know, a Golden State with
Speaker 1: the Clippers. Clippers have their own issues now with Westbrook.
Speaker 1: But my takeaway is I really believe that Dallas would
Speaker 1: be fun to watch but have defensive liabilities. Fact it's true,
Speaker 1: and that Phoenix would be really good and they're better defensively,
Speaker 1: so they're going to start winning and winning quickly. But
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant is so much more than an offensive player,
Speaker 1: and isn't it interesting to watch him? Kyrie and Westbrook
Speaker 1: all go to new teams and how easy it looks
Speaker 1: for Kevin Durant. He is the best plugin play guy
Speaker 1: on the planet. He doesn't need the ball, he doesn't
Speaker 1: need the ball early in the rotation. Get him the
Speaker 1: ball five seconds on the clock, you're going to get
Speaker 1: a great look. Phoenix is a really interesting team. I
Speaker 1: think they're going to have to win some shootouts. I
Speaker 1: think they'll win a series or two. Devin Booker and
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant or two of the top ten offensive players
Speaker 1: in my opinion in the NBA. But I think depth
Speaker 1: will be a little undoing and their defense, which is
Speaker 1: saw against the Mavericks. Also watched the Warriors play the Lakers.
Speaker 1: Great effort by the Lakers. Anthony Davis Again, what's frustrating
Speaker 1: is when he's on, when he's engaged, when he's healthy,
Speaker 1: he's a monster. He is a monster. He made a
Speaker 1: great basket late against Draymond Green on the baseline. It
Speaker 1: really sealed the game as the Warriors that hit a
Speaker 1: couple of threes and roared back. Lake Hares got off
Speaker 1: to a good lead. Never look back shorthanded Without Lebron,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a more legitimate roster. Lonnie Walker had
Speaker 1: some moments. Reeves had some moments and Anthony Davis was amazing.
Speaker 1: I think Golden State's going to be fine. Steph didn't
Speaker 1: shoot the ball particularly well, but their ball movement, their
Speaker 1: spacing continues to be a marvel and the best in
Speaker 1: the league. I just think when I watched the Warriors,
Speaker 1: Steph's not quite there yet. But the passing, and I
Speaker 1: watched the last four or five Warrior games, the passing
Speaker 1: is immediately exceptional. The minute Steph Curry is back, the
Speaker 1: pace is better, the passing is better. He was just
Speaker 1: a little off. And if you're not watching the Warriors,
Speaker 1: Clay Thompson is having himself a year. He's not the
Speaker 1: defender he used to be. Dude is having himself one
Speaker 1: of the best years of his career. But it was
Speaker 1: a nice win for the Lakers shorthanded, it's a real
Speaker 1: roster now. And again I've said before, if they played
Speaker 1: Denver first round, I would take the Lakers in six
Speaker 1: or seven games. I really would. I think when Anthony
Speaker 1: Davis is dialed in, there's just not many guys like him.
Speaker 1: I remember years ago I was covering a Laker Blazer series.
Speaker 1: It was Shaq Kobe went seven games, Lakers won. It's
Speaker 1: the iconic Kobe to shack Alley Slam. I was right
Speaker 1: behind that basket, and I remember during that series. I've
Speaker 1: told this story before. I asked Phil Jackson, how do
Speaker 1: you defend at Rashid Wallace? And he said, we don't.
Speaker 1: We don't really any way to stop Rashid Wallace. And
Speaker 1: I think on most nights in the NBA, there's no
Speaker 1: real way. I mean, Draymond Greene was ineffective and he's
Speaker 1: the best defender in the league. There's no real way
Speaker 1: to defend Anthony Davis. He can give you thirty five
Speaker 1: a night if he if he plays thirty six minutes,
Speaker 1: he is an absolute force. And I thought it was
Speaker 1: as good a game as he's had. And this is
Speaker 1: why they brought him to Los Angeles. Lebron was aging.
Speaker 1: Lebron plays fewer minutes, Lebron's gonna get dinged up in
Speaker 1: miss games. So one of the games of the year
Speaker 1: for Anthony Davis. Got help from Reeves Lonnie Walker, but
Speaker 1: a nice w for the Lakers. Playing well, playing well
Speaker 1: without Lebron, that's a promising sign. With the NFL season
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Speaker 1: Chicago bearhead coach, Dolphins head coach coordinator for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: when they won Super Bowl twenty seven, a friend, and
Speaker 1: by the way, still is all over Chicago media and
Speaker 1: kicking ass and taking names. So I'll be in Chicago
Speaker 1: here not long from now. You know how much I
Speaker 1: love the city. I've said about Justin Fields here here's
Speaker 1: my concerned. I know he's a big, strong athlete. I
Speaker 1: know he's a good kid. I do worry with a
Speaker 1: defensive coach. You see a lot of these young quarterbacks
Speaker 1: who do well they have an offensive coach. The game's changed.
Speaker 1: All the rules now are against defense. It's almost it's
Speaker 1: almost unfair to be a defensive coach. Camp. You can't
Speaker 1: coach inn in the middle of the Field's all offense now.
Speaker 1: And I think my bigger problem with Justin Fields is,
Speaker 1: I know he's a great athlete, but year three, Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson ran around for two years. Kider Murray ran around
Speaker 1: for two years, so did Lamar this year. Year three,
Speaker 1: to me, Dave is the year a young quarterback who
Speaker 1: runs has got to sit in the pocket, because I
Speaker 1: do think your legs buy you a couple of years.
Speaker 1: I've said this for the light to go on, Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: Mahomes all say it's year three, the game slows down,
Speaker 1: the lights go on. I think I would keep Justin Fields.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't draft another quarterback, but I do think he's
Speaker 1: got to show me something by Thanksgiving or I'm having
Speaker 1: meetings with the owner and the GM and moving on
Speaker 1: your thoughts on where we are with well, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole thing in Chicago, and that's why I was
Speaker 1: so excited. And I'm really it's disappointing that Philadelphia in
Speaker 1: my opinion, because I thought Philadelphia would win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: But in my mind, the blueprint for the Chicago Bears
Speaker 1: is the Philadelphia Eagles. I really believe this. I mean,
Speaker 1: you look for Hey, it wasn't long ago, two years ago.
Speaker 1: I'm doing a show on Fox or one of those stations,
Speaker 1: and I thought that he would be beat out. Talking
Speaker 1: about Jalen Hurts, I did not think he would finish
Speaker 1: the starter as at the end of the year with
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles. I thought that he was not going
Speaker 1: to be the guy. And what did they do. They
Speaker 1: add to the offensive line, they get they signed a
Speaker 1: j Bron, a big receiver. They draft a receiver in Smith,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, this guy is one of
Speaker 1: the better players in the league. I really believe that
Speaker 1: the Bears can do that. Tyree Kill with the Dolphins
Speaker 1: himself is making more money than the entire receiver group
Speaker 1: of the Chicago Bears. I mean, he didn't have a
Speaker 1: whole lot of help. He truly didn't. I thought they
Speaker 1: did everything they couldn't give him a chance, But I
Speaker 1: think the blueprint for the Bears is Philadelphia Eagles. So
Speaker 1: would you go out, for instance, if you kind of
Speaker 1: look at the positions that matter, because I will say this,
Speaker 1: I think Claypool and Mooney are good number two or
Speaker 1: three receivers, commits, a solid tight end, the backs are serviceable.
Speaker 1: I would you go out if you're the GM and
Speaker 1: go get a number one receiver DeAndre Hopkins, Go get
Speaker 1: a number one edge rusher. Those two things are paramount.
Speaker 1: And then they drafted a good corner and a safety
Speaker 1: last year. The secondary is better and then you got like,
Speaker 1: you know, you got all your picks. But if you
Speaker 1: were going to spend your money, if you look at
Speaker 1: positions that matter, go get a star receiver for Justin
Speaker 1: because I think Mooney's a very capable two or three.
Speaker 1: Claypools a three years and commit. It's a really nice
Speaker 1: tight end. So would you if with Ryan Poles, would
Speaker 1: you say, listen, we're gonna go buy an edge rusher.
Speaker 1: That's what Russell Wilson got, and we're gonna go buy
Speaker 1: a star receiver. And then I think the defense, I
Speaker 1: think the old line, there's some really nice old lineman,
Speaker 1: second third, round. Is that kind of how you would
Speaker 1: attack it? Now, you know what calling and I've talked
Speaker 1: to I've thought about this and watching college and watching
Speaker 1: these guys. We know that they have more free agent
Speaker 1: money to spend than anybody in the league. Okay, I
Speaker 1: would spend free agent money on veteran, proven offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: I would use my draft picks for defense. I really would.
Speaker 1: If I could get a proven or two offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: They could come in here and they say, this guy
Speaker 1: is a difference maker, an outstanding player. I would spend
Speaker 1: money to do because I'll tell you what, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: young offensive lineman, they're not getting developed in college like
Speaker 1: they were back in the day because of the rules.
Speaker 1: You can't hit, you can't have contact, and that's the
Speaker 1: only way you get better as an offensive lineman. And
Speaker 1: that and the same things happened in the NFL. So
Speaker 1: you know, you can get a young defensive guy. You
Speaker 1: know he's athletic, he's fast, teach him, see get him aggressive,
Speaker 1: and these guys can be stars early mix up Parsons
Speaker 1: as an example, there's a lot of defensive guys I
Speaker 1: would focus in. I would spend big time money on
Speaker 1: a receiver if I was the Bears a free agent,
Speaker 1: and I would go get an offensive lineman and spend money,
Speaker 1: and I would focus in on the draft with my
Speaker 1: early picks. You know, it's interesting you say that because
Speaker 1: the truth is, even great offensive players, great tight ends,
Speaker 1: great quarterbacks, it's choreography on offense, whereas defense is speed,
Speaker 1: the ability to blow stuff off. React like let's say
Speaker 1: you get an edge, you get Will Anderson, Well, shit,
Speaker 1: you just solve your edge rusher, I mean honestly. And
Speaker 1: then to your point, the draft, in the first two
Speaker 1: rounds they got a first to say I have two fifths. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could see DeAndre Hopkins in elite tackle and just
Speaker 1: load up on defense. You know, I will say this.
Speaker 1: Their first two picks last year they got a corner
Speaker 1: and a safety, both nice players, both were really good,
Speaker 1: played a lot, and eber Flews as a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: Probably one of his strengths is teaching football. Ye. So,
Speaker 1: but years ago I was talking to I think Chris
Speaker 1: Ballard or it was it was somebody, and he was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, it's this league, even for great offensive players,
Speaker 1: it's hard, Dave. You know that it takes two to
Speaker 1: three years from Mahomes and Lamar Jackson. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: at down was with Troy Aikman. It took It was
Speaker 1: Troy's third year when he when he started coming along.
Speaker 1: You know, so I even back in the day, it
Speaker 1: took time. Took Terry Bradshaw longer than that. We know
Speaker 1: the story with him. But you know, you look at
Speaker 1: the this thing and the Bears are going to run
Speaker 1: the ball because of a defensive head coach. You can
Speaker 1: say what you want out there are people and this
Speaker 1: is not because I'm defense, but defensive head coaches number one,
Speaker 1: that they understand the importance of field position. They understand
Speaker 1: the importance of keeping your defense rested manageable. First, Don's
Speaker 1: most defensive coaches believe in the running game. And the
Speaker 1: Bears have an offensive staff right now that hey obviously
Speaker 1: one of the top two teams running the football in
Speaker 1: the NFL. They know how to run the ball. I
Speaker 1: think life can become real easy or a lot easier
Speaker 1: for justin Fields when he gets some good weapons around him.
Speaker 1: I really do. I think I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of upside here. And you know what, one other point
Speaker 1: I'll get off this in Chicago, you're got to be
Speaker 1: a different type of guy. This kid got beat up, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean physically beat up. It's a tough city to
Speaker 1: play in. It's real tough to be the quarterback in
Speaker 1: this time. I mean, I've lived at coaching here and
Speaker 1: this guy went up there in ten degree temperatures, beat up,
Speaker 1: and he went out on that field and he laid
Speaker 1: it on the line. Some cities that means nothing. In
Speaker 1: the city of Chicago, that carries a lot of weight
Speaker 1: for a player, particularly your quarterback. So when Sean Payton
Speaker 1: would come on the show with me this year on Mondays,
Speaker 1: he said, you know, Parcels used to say your first
Speaker 1: fifteen picks, do not take an undersized player, regardless of position.
Speaker 1: Tua is not a top fifteen pick. Kyler Murray now
Speaker 1: we're finding, doesn't want to get hit. Jalen Hurts, great player,
Speaker 1: second round, Drew Brees, second round. Smaller players. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Dave Half this league is undrafted. So I
Speaker 1: look at Bryce Young. He's five ten and a half,
Speaker 1: that's about three inches short, and he's gonna weigh I
Speaker 1: mean in the combine, he's over two hundred. He ate
Speaker 1: a lot of steaks and a lot of potentials. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that he's gonna play at one ninety six.
Speaker 1: What do you do with him? I do think he's
Speaker 1: the most I think he has want two things. I'll
Speaker 1: say he's accurate and Dave. I watched them in high
Speaker 1: school in college. His pocket awareness is fantastic. He has
Speaker 1: an absolute feel for the pocket, which I think Dave
Speaker 1: is in need. And eight, I don't think you can
Speaker 1: teach it. Some guys never Sam Darnold love him, never
Speaker 1: feels it. Ever, he runs away too early. He doesn't
Speaker 1: see it. Bryce Young's pocket awareness is a plus. Plus.
Speaker 1: He's small. He does to me. He doesn't work in Chicago,
Speaker 1: a windy, cold northern environment, but God, Houston, Dave, Atlanta
Speaker 1: a dome Dave. I don't know. How do you pass
Speaker 1: him up? No? I think that you know. I talked
Speaker 1: to him about eight. I'm a member of the thirty thirteen. Okay,
Speaker 1: parcels actually got it started and we were talking on there.
Speaker 1: There was five or six general manager on there, and
Speaker 1: they talked to people around the lead GM's personnel people
Speaker 1: more than I do. And there is a real split
Speaker 1: feeling on these quarterbacks. I mean, they bryce young you're
Speaker 1: talking about in the right situation. But after this combine
Speaker 1: workout c J. Stroul. There's some people like there's one
Speaker 1: guy that was talking about Will Levins, how they like
Speaker 1: how he gets the ball out and for their style
Speaker 1: of offense, he would be perfect, you know. And then
Speaker 1: the Richardson's kid, I mean, he's got all the intangibles.
Speaker 1: I guess I have never studied him one year doing
Speaker 1: it makes me a little nervous with him. But the
Speaker 1: point is that there's not in NFL general manager's minds.
Speaker 1: There's not a Trevor Lawrence in this opinion. So you know,
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised. I mean, I think that
Speaker 1: it'll be Bryce Young, But I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of different stories, and it's a
Speaker 1: matter of who's gonna fit in your offense. You talked
Speaker 1: about the different cities, the mentality of your offense. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's gonna be real interesting. I don't
Speaker 1: know any negatives except the size. Look at you know,
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. People passed on him, we did at the
Speaker 1: Dolphins because of his size, but he was very accurate
Speaker 1: at when he was at Purdue and he moved into pocket.
Speaker 1: He drew Brees did a lot of things that Bryce
Speaker 1: Young does. He really does without as good as supporting
Speaker 1: cast like I have an Alabama no you know I
Speaker 1: said this in the preamble to this interview about the Combine. Belichick,
Speaker 1: Sean McVay, Matt Lafleur have said, Nah, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to go. Here's what I worry about, Dave. When you
Speaker 1: play a college or a pro football season, you're hurt
Speaker 1: by week three. Nobody's healthy. You match up against guys
Speaker 1: that are bigger and stronger than you. I want to
Speaker 1: see game tape. I worry it's a complete cottage industry.
Speaker 1: Now coach prepping for the Wonderlick, prepping for the Combine. Shit.
Speaker 1: I think he get fooled. I think Belichick has been
Speaker 1: fooled by players. These guys come in, Dave. If I
Speaker 1: went to you right and Trent Dilford said something to
Speaker 1: me years ago, he goes, seventy five percent of these
Speaker 1: guys don't love football. They love what football provides for them.
Speaker 1: And I was told by my agent, get in the
Speaker 1: best shape of your life. You'll never have to work.
Speaker 1: You're going to be a late first rounder. Dave. I
Speaker 1: look at the combine now I think he get fooled
Speaker 1: a lot. I see some of these combined beauty pageant contestants.
Speaker 1: I mean, where did you fallen on it? You know,
Speaker 1: I agree with you, well, it wasn't It wasn't the
Speaker 1: extreme back then as it is now. But I work.
Speaker 1: I won't give the names. I've worked with about four
Speaker 1: or five agents in Naples, Florida, in your own stomping grounds,
Speaker 1: and they would bring in your college players and one
Speaker 1: of the challenges I had was get him to draw
Speaker 1: the circles, called them. Picture this on a board, the
Speaker 1: circles of an offensive formation where one guy was drawn,
Speaker 1: you know, the size of a dinner plate, and the
Speaker 1: other guy, and then next to him was the guard,
Speaker 1: who was the size of a quarter. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: prepping him. So at the end of this week, all
Speaker 1: I did was what you're talking about. This is how
Speaker 1: you got to answer the questions. This is how when
Speaker 1: he drawing the board, this is what you gotta draws.
Speaker 1: So you're one hundred percent right, And these guys are
Speaker 1: getting scold yes from the agent. But there's a lot
Speaker 1: of guys like mine, ex coaches that are spending a
Speaker 1: lot of time with these guys. I sat in those
Speaker 1: meetings for over fifteen years as a head coach and
Speaker 1: a GM and head coach at the Dolphins. I asked
Speaker 1: those questions. I know what the coaches want to hear
Speaker 1: when the tape goes on and you make them mistake,
Speaker 1: I know exactly what they don't want to hear too.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm one of those guys that's been
Speaker 1: been scold them. You're one hundred percent right, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean shit, there's a real industry out there for
Speaker 1: a Dave wants that Dave. Here's a lot of money
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Speaker 1: you know, Jerry Jones had a comment this week about
Speaker 1: how the Cowboys are a little limited um because of
Speaker 1: Das contract. And I've said this before. If I didn't
Speaker 1: do what I do, my dream job would be an
Speaker 1: NFL general manager. I love the architecture of it. I
Speaker 1: love I love all of it. I'd have you know,
Speaker 1: I would have to hire an attorney to be my capologist.
Speaker 1: But I love I love building teams. I love the draft,
Speaker 1: and I have since I was, you know, in my
Speaker 1: teens twenties, and I've always had this theory about the
Speaker 1: NFL pay big money infrequently that almost oh is the
Speaker 1: answer is outside of quarterback, rush, end, increasingly starwide, receiver
Speaker 1: and maybe corner. Dave. I think there's like forty five
Speaker 1: positions in the world now and I didn't used to
Speaker 1: include receiver, but because the rule changes, I do quarterback,
Speaker 1: left tackle, receiver, ed rusher, corner. I would love a
Speaker 1: really good mic linebacker to call my signals. It's not
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's not. I don't have to have it.
Speaker 1: But most great defenses have had a really great, heady
Speaker 1: middle linebacker. But I look at this stuff when you
Speaker 1: look at San Francisco in Philadelphia, is there an argument
Speaker 1: to be made that you just keep drafting quarterbacks and
Speaker 1: load up your roster. And if you draft a quarterback
Speaker 1: every year, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round, you're gonna find
Speaker 1: a brock Purty. You're gonna find You're gonna find a
Speaker 1: guy out there. And what you want is just a
Speaker 1: great roster until you find a star quarterback, which they're
Speaker 1: seven on the planet. Because I look at the Niners
Speaker 1: and I think, hell, I don't care who quarterbacks next year,
Speaker 1: they're in twelve games. Well, you know, you're making some
Speaker 1: interesting points. I just had a great conversation this week
Speaker 1: with Mike Gettings junior, who his dad started Pro Scout,
Speaker 1: And they do the color coach to blue, the red, gold,
Speaker 1: and they rate every player. Not it doesn't matter which
Speaker 1: you were two years ago, it's how did you perform
Speaker 1: this year? And do you know, over the last ten years,
Speaker 1: according to their service, every quarterback that's gone to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl has played at a blue level except one.
Speaker 1: According to them, back in twoy fifteen, Peyton Manning played
Speaker 1: at a red. That's the year that he went out
Speaker 1: and he was hurt. His neck was bothering him at
Speaker 1: Denver and they won the Super Bowl. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: Super Bowl when he coach. Now here's the other stat
Speaker 1: It's really interesting. There has not been a blue left
Speaker 1: tackle in the last ten years. Now, when I say blue,
Speaker 1: you're gonna say, oh wait, Orlando Brin with Kansas City.
Speaker 1: He's a great player. He is a great player, but
Speaker 1: this year he didn't play at a blue level. What's
Speaker 1: the tape? And that's the conversation I'm heading with diet
Speaker 1: did But he said the positions that must be playing
Speaker 1: at a blue level to win a Super Bowl over
Speaker 1: the last ten years. Your defensive ends, your corners, and
Speaker 1: your quarterback. Those are the positions. Now you want, you
Speaker 1: gotta have thirteen blue players. Got they get too deepeness
Speaker 1: for our viewers. But you gotta have average thirteen Blues
Speaker 1: on your team to win a Super Bowl. That's what
Speaker 1: most Super Bowl teams have. Okay, blue means that they're
Speaker 1: playing at the highest level. So Brock Purdy, he might
Speaker 1: not be talent wise Patrick Mahomes, but if Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: can get him playing at a blue level where he's
Speaker 1: not tearing the ball over, he's completing seventy percent of
Speaker 1: his passes, right, I mean, he's doing the things that
Speaker 1: you have to do. If you're you know, a top
Speaker 1: quarterback in this league, you know, then you got a
Speaker 1: chance to win a Super Bowl. So it's it's a
Speaker 1: real interesting concept. And him and I were talking about
Speaker 1: it because you know, I was talking about some of
Speaker 1: the Bear stuff, you know, you know, you know red players,
Speaker 1: blue players, because Ryan Poles was talking about it on
Speaker 1: the radio. How many blue players they need to get.
Speaker 1: They don't have very many, if any at the Bears,
Speaker 1: and so we were just talking about those numbers. But
Speaker 1: it's an interesting stat you brought up, Purty. My point
Speaker 1: is you have to have a quarterback, not blue talent wise, understand,
Speaker 1: but play at a blue level, YEP, to win a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. That's been that way for the last ten years,
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's going to change. So when
Speaker 1: you start and look at the teams that can win
Speaker 1: Super Bowls, you got to look at the quarterback, pass rushers,
Speaker 1: and corners. That's your starting point. So Aaron Rodgers goes
Speaker 1: on a darkness retreat, you know, My takeaway is. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty new school on this. I got fairly young kids.
Speaker 1: Whatever it takes for you to get your mind clear. Shit,
Speaker 1: I don't care, Dave. If you got to go to
Speaker 1: therapy when the season ends, go take six weeks, go
Speaker 1: find yourself. But I've had this belief for a long
Speaker 1: time that far Of and Aaron are really similar. That
Speaker 1: the lack of an owner allows the quarterback for the Packers,
Speaker 1: if talented, to essentially run the franchise. And because green
Speaker 1: Bay is the smallest market, if they're bad at quarterback,
Speaker 1: they're not on television. In my childhood seventies and eighties,
Speaker 1: the pack were never on television, right they I mean
Speaker 1: they really weren't. And I think they're paralyzed by it.
Speaker 1: If there if there was a Jerry Jones or an
Speaker 1: owner in Green Bay, and and and Aaron said I'm
Speaker 1: going to go into darkness retreat, he'd say, well, when
Speaker 1: you're done with that, I want an answer, Or you're
Speaker 1: going to go into darkness retreat, I'm going to send
Speaker 1: you to the Jets. You'll be dark for the rest
Speaker 1: of your career. You tell me when when you were
Speaker 1: with Jerry or Wayne Hyazinga, go back to all your owners,
Speaker 1: were there moments that an owner was actually really important
Speaker 1: to set a precedent, to be a voice to hold
Speaker 1: people accountable. Because Farvan Aaron have gone on this retirement
Speaker 1: threat tour both of them for the last five years
Speaker 1: of their careers. Yeah, I would say no, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's probably not the answer you want to hear,
Speaker 1: but quite honestly, you know, I was at Miami when
Speaker 1: Wayne Heizeka hired me and Dan Marino was at the
Speaker 1: end of his career, and the first job that I
Speaker 1: had was Gwynn and sit down and talked to Dan,
Speaker 1: who I knew was a fellow pit guy University of Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: and tell him that we were changing offenses and I
Speaker 1: didn't see there being a fit that he could be
Speaker 1: on the team, but we were going to go a
Speaker 1: different direction on and on have chan daily who was
Speaker 1: going to do a lot of movement stuff, not to
Speaker 1: drop back. We were changing the Don Shula offense. When
Speaker 1: Jimmy was there, he kept that pretty much in place.
Speaker 1: I was completely getting a new playbook and so I
Speaker 1: kind of went through that. Wayne Heizinka was never involved
Speaker 1: with it. Jerry Jones, when I was at the Cowboys
Speaker 1: when Jimmy Johnson was there. Jerry Jones was never involved
Speaker 1: in what was going on with Troy Ankin. Never it
Speaker 1: would have never happened. Jimmy would have left earlier if
Speaker 1: that was the case. I mean he would he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have put up with it. So I wouldn't buy that.
Speaker 1: I Does it bother you? Does it bother you that
Speaker 1: Aaron has sort of a laws a fair attitude on
Speaker 1: updating the Packers? Yeah? It does because last year we
Speaker 1: made a commitment to him. I mean we really did.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's a two way street. I get that
Speaker 1: because we kind of went through the same thing last
Speaker 1: year and we made this big commitment, big money commitment.
Speaker 1: So it does bother me. I personally think he'll end
Speaker 1: up back there. I mean, yeah, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: hook to go maybe with the Raiders with Davante Adams
Speaker 1: because he's a buddy of his. There's a hook to
Speaker 1: go with Hackett to the Jets because it might be
Speaker 1: a similar offense. But I don't think Aaron Rodgers wants
Speaker 1: a lot of change, and he knows what he's getting
Speaker 1: in Green Bay with Lafloor. He knows the offense, he
Speaker 1: knows the receivers. You know, I don't know, he knows
Speaker 1: what he wants to do. Talk about a guy as
Speaker 1: an offseason routine. Now, all of a sudden, you go
Speaker 1: to the Jets and they want you in the weight
Speaker 1: room four days a week. You know, I mean, routines change.
Speaker 1: That is not gonna fin That was the biggest thing
Speaker 1: with Dan Marino and Dan and I talked about it.
Speaker 1: I says, Hey, it ain't gonna be like it was. Dan.
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna start OTAs like Tamar and we're
Speaker 1: gonna get in odd in the offseason program. Tamarrow, whoa coach.
Speaker 1: I got offseason commitments, and I go. Dan had a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on, you can imagine, and it's
Speaker 1: been that way. He deserved it for years, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden we were gonna change that. The routine
Speaker 1: change in his mind, I think was as much as anything.
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna play a part in this with
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers at the end of the day, I truly
Speaker 1: do Yeah. Yeah, I mean, listen, you drafted Jordan Love
Speaker 1: in the first round. At some point you have to pay.
Speaker 1: You don't want to pay him before you've seen if
Speaker 1: he can play and you know, he's a tough one
Speaker 1: to sign. So because if you make a trade for
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Okay, if I'm at the Jets, the packers
Speaker 1: are gonna want multiple picks. Well, it can't be multiple picks.
Speaker 1: This is a one year deal. In their minds, We'll
Speaker 1: give you something for one year, and then if it
Speaker 1: happens the next year, maybe we'll do something for the
Speaker 1: next year. But I think it's a tough sell to
Speaker 1: get somebody to give up a lot to get Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Think about it when you're when you're back of your mind,
Speaker 1: you're thinking, this could be a one and done situation.
Speaker 1: If he didn't like it at Green Bay whin an
Speaker 1: MVP's you know, he could surely have a problem with
Speaker 1: us with the new system and new players, a new city,
Speaker 1: a new place to live, news media. I mean, so
Speaker 1: it's a one year deal in my mind if I'm
Speaker 1: on the other end thinking of giving up something for
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. All right, Finally, where'd you go to dinner
Speaker 1: last night in Chicago? Because I'm gonna be there in
Speaker 1: a few weeks. You know. You know what's funny, You
Speaker 1: and I love you can't go right? You and I
Speaker 1: love the same two cities you and I love Chicago.
Speaker 1: In Naples, Florida, it's my favorite. I love him. I
Speaker 1: went to Cafano's over in Little Italy. Joey DeBono owns it.
Speaker 1: It's been his grandfather started in nineteen thirty. Why can't
Speaker 1: I go there? It's well, I was kidding you. I
Speaker 1: was kidding you. You can definitely go there, Bet, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what. The only thing about the finals, it's
Speaker 1: it's my favorite Italian place. No menus. When the grandmother
Speaker 1: used to write what they were cooking, she would write
Speaker 1: it on the chalkboard, And right now there's chalkboards in there,
Speaker 1: no menus to look at. And it's all cash. And
Speaker 1: if you order a glass of wine, they bring it
Speaker 1: to you in a little old glass and put the
Speaker 1: bottle on a thing that you know what you're going
Speaker 1: to get, you know what. So I'm going to Naples
Speaker 1: next weekend. So I can't get into Truelocks. You'd think
Speaker 1: i'd have some pull. I can't get into that damn place.
Speaker 1: There's never an opening. You know, Naples. You can't get
Speaker 1: into any restaurants. Where do you want to go? Text me?
Speaker 1: I'm serious and today. She goes, is Dave Is Dave
Speaker 1: and his wife going to be down there? And she
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, I said, no, they're not.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, because shit, Dave will get me
Speaker 1: in anywhere nobody cares about him. Me. I'm a talk
Speaker 1: show host. You're a former NFL coach. Oh, I know,
Speaker 1: I lived there for twenty six years. I owned a restaurant.
Speaker 1: Do Handsome Harries. That's it, true story to our audience.
Speaker 1: So I was talking to Dave once and we were
Speaker 1: talking about Naples and he goes, oh, I have a
Speaker 1: place down there. I said, you know, my favorite place
Speaker 1: to have a cocktail is Handsome Harry's. And Dave's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I owned it. I love that place. Yeah, yeah, here
Speaker 1: we go. All right. Yeah, let me know when you
Speaker 1: come to Chicago, we'll go to the Pantos. I'll take
Speaker 1: you over there. All right, Good seeing the coach. Okay,
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