WEBVTT - Episode 435: Adam Jude (Seattle Times)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to episode number four thirty five of the Marine

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Jude from the Seattle Times, to talk about what

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<v Speaker 1>the Mariners will do at this upcoming trade deadline.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get it rolling, and we welcome you to this

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<v Speaker 1>episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just

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<v Speaker 1>Baseball podcast network, recording here on Tuesday morning, July twenty eighth,

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<v Speaker 1>before the Dodgers series has started. It's only one game

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<v Speaker 1>has happened, lyle and we said, you know, the Mariners

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<v Speaker 1>had a chance to split and maybe change the vibe

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<v Speaker 1>of this week. They did not.

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<v Speaker 2>Top one today.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, the Monday was pretty tough. That's an accurate

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<v Speaker 1>way to describe it. And to be honest, do you

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<v Speaker 1>guys really want to hear a reaction if the Mariners

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<v Speaker 1>get their teeth kicked in and the first game of

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<v Speaker 1>this Dodger series. No, I don't really.

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<v Speaker 2>Think there's just not enough to break down after one

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<v Speaker 2>Dodgers game. Come Friday, we're gonna have a full conversation

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<v Speaker 2>about whatever happens in the Dodgers series and the overarching

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<v Speaker 2>storylines and approaching the trade deadline. Even more so, there

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<v Speaker 2>will be a lot more to talk about after this

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<v Speaker 2>conclusion of the Dodgers series. But as we're sitting here

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<v Speaker 2>now putting this episode for you guys out on Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 2>it felt like a pretty good time to have Adam

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<v Speaker 2>Judah because he's got a pulse on the team as

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<v Speaker 2>well as anybody. He's on the road trip, he's in La,

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<v Speaker 2>he's in the clubhouse, and he's a perfect person to

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<v Speaker 2>talk trade deadline with. So we do all that with him.

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<v Speaker 2>It's coming up here in a couple of minutes. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want a quick little recap of Monday's game

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<v Speaker 2>against the Rangers, there ain't much talk about. It was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty miserable.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, George Kirby sucked, the offense sucked, and Dan Wilson

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<v Speaker 1>said tough one when asked about the game, like check

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<v Speaker 1>all the boxes, Like well, what else are we supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to say? Again on Sunday, it's like, okay, Like we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what's gonna happen Monday. They could split and

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<v Speaker 1>the vibe would be totally different. But the vibe was

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<v Speaker 1>the exact same on Monday as it was when we

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<v Speaker 1>taped on Sunday night. After the first three games, it

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<v Speaker 1>just it wasn't there. They didn't play well, they'd lost

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<v Speaker 1>three or four to the Rangers, and now they're heading

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<v Speaker 1>to LA against the best team in baseball, the best

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<v Speaker 1>offense in baseball, and it is very hard for Allall

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<v Speaker 1>and I to see the Mariners winning this series. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, Dodgers are stacking two lefties in the series.

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<v Speaker 2>I was about to say a team is fun on

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<v Speaker 2>fundamentally sound as the Dodgers. Well, of course they're helping

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<v Speaker 2>play the matchups if the alignment works, and it did

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<v Speaker 2>here because yeah, you're gonna get Eric Lauer and Justin

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<v Speaker 2>Robleski the first two games, which Eric Lawer has been

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<v Speaker 2>nothing special, but he's a lefty. Justin Robleski is an

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<v Speaker 2>All Star also a lefty, so good luck. I like listen,

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<v Speaker 2>It's like there's just no way around it with this

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<v Speaker 2>Dodgers team, even when you look up and down and

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<v Speaker 2>you say, oh, they're gonna miss Yamamoto and show he's

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<v Speaker 2>not pitching right now, and glass now's on the IL

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<v Speaker 2>and Blake Snells on the IL and you think maybe

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<v Speaker 2>there's a soft spot. Oh no, you get an All

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<v Speaker 2>Star lefty and then another lefty, so great, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they'll get Roki Sasaki in the finale, which can go

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<v Speaker 2>a variety of ways, but you know when he's on,

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<v Speaker 2>he is really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately too, Luis Castillo and Emerson Hancock will be pitching

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<v Speaker 1>in this series. The way it's starting to sound low

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<v Speaker 1>when we talk about this with Adam Dude, is that

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<v Speaker 1>this is gonna be the last Mariners start for one

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<v Speaker 1>of those two.

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<v Speaker 3>In LA.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounded like it might be Emerson. I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>really sad. That's two deadlines in a row. They're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>trade away Brandon Garcia last year and now potentially Emerson

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<v Speaker 2>Hancock this year.

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<v Speaker 4>Dude.

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<v Speaker 2>They're out to get us every every Marine layer of

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<v Speaker 2>pod guy they just trade, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna be happy for him because he's gonna have an

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<v Speaker 1>entrenched spot in someone else's rotation if they do trade him.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll tell you that, like being at the park

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<v Speaker 1>is so much better because of Emerson Hancock and like

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<v Speaker 1>the energy he brings.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've ever interacted.

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<v Speaker 1>With him as a fan, like you would feel that too.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's try not to like write his like a

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<v Speaker 1>bit here obituary. Yet he's not been traded. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a guarantee he's gonna get traded, but he is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>So we will see whether or not this Dodger series

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<v Speaker 1>is the last start for either of those two guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Adam was making it sound like he feels pretty confident

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna trade one of these guys by next Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>But regardless, we do talk a lot of things. We

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<v Speaker 1>talk about, I mean, not only trade deadline. We have

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<v Speaker 1>some perspective talk on the state of the Mariners with

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<v Speaker 1>Adam as well. He was on that last road trip

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<v Speaker 1>where the Mariners ended up firing Scott Service, and we

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<v Speaker 1>dive into that a little bit that the comparisons of

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<v Speaker 1>that road trip and this road trip and what the

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<v Speaker 1>Mariners can do the rest of the season. So very

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<v Speaker 1>insight with it with Adam as always.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So Adam was on the first two legs of

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<v Speaker 2>that twenty twenty four road trip. He was not in La.

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<v Speaker 2>Last time it was Divish that was in LA. But

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<v Speaker 2>Adam was in Detroit, and then he was in Pittsburgh

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<v Speaker 2>and then Divish was in LA. So yeah, he got

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<v Speaker 2>to see not the tail end of it and the

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<v Speaker 2>finale of that road trip that was just the road

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<v Speaker 2>trip from hell, but he saw a big majority of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we won't keep you guys any longer. Let's get

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<v Speaker 1>you to that interview with Adam Jude.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, We've got our friend Adam Jude on with

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<v Speaker 2>us recurring guests. You know him as the Mariners beat

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<v Speaker 2>writer for the Seattle Times. And we're taping this ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of the Mariners Dodgers series. We've got a little less

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<v Speaker 2>little week before the trade deadline starts. Adam, always great

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<v Speaker 2>to have you on. How in the world would you

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<v Speaker 2>describe the vibe at this road trip as you're sitting

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<v Speaker 2>in LA.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not great. That's a good way to start, man.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we're sitting here in LA on Tuesday morning before

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<v Speaker 4>the Mariners have to head to the Daughter Stadium here

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<v Speaker 4>coming off losing three or four to the division leading

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<v Speaker 4>Texas Rangers. I don't think any of us expected that

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<v Speaker 4>here at the end of July. And you look at

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<v Speaker 4>the Rangers and the way they're doing it, this patchwork offense.

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<v Speaker 4>Their stars are beat up, the pitching is kind of

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<v Speaker 4>holding things together. They're figured out a way, and the

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<v Speaker 4>manners are the exact opposite. They just haven't been able

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<v Speaker 4>to figure out a way. They're obviously trying. They're saying

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<v Speaker 4>all the right things.

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<v Speaker 3>You hear Dan Wilson talk all the time about the

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<v Speaker 3>belief and.

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<v Speaker 4>The trust and the fight that they have, and they're

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<v Speaker 4>trying to do it for each other, and it's just

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<v Speaker 4>simply not working right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what the answers are. They're searching for them.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we saw the dismissal of a very popular

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<v Speaker 4>hitting coach last week, intended to rattle the cage I

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<v Speaker 4>suppose for this hitting group. And you know, we saw

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<v Speaker 4>spurts I suppose in Texas, but certainly nothing consistent, and

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<v Speaker 4>the offense by and large just looked discombobulated, disconnected, uninspiring

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<v Speaker 4>really and how long have we been saying that here

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<v Speaker 4>about this team the past couple of months.

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<v Speaker 3>Though.

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<v Speaker 4>It's going to be a really, really, really interesting week here,

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<v Speaker 4>not only because they have to play the best team

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<v Speaker 4>in baseball, but because the trade deadline we know, is

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<v Speaker 4>right around the corner here. And you wonder, if the

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<v Speaker 4>Mariners continue to nose dive here, just how desperate this

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<v Speaker 4>front office is really feeling, and how much they really

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<v Speaker 4>believe in this roster, and if they can really fulfill

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<v Speaker 4>expectations and salvage this season down the stretch.

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<v Speaker 3>Here, and if one or two big moves is relieving enough.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking before we were recording about you being on

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<v Speaker 1>the last road trip that ended with the Mariners at

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<v Speaker 1>Dodger Stadium back in twenty twenty four, which ended with

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Servis losing his job. I don't think the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing's gonna happen at the end of this road trip,

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<v Speaker 1>but the vibes of both road trips are veryly, very similar.

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<v Speaker 1>How would you compare the two, Yeah, it's hard not

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<v Speaker 1>to draw parallels here.

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<v Speaker 4>You know that road trip two years ago in twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty four started in Detroit against a Tigers team that

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<v Speaker 4>at that time was just starting it. It's a scent

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<v Speaker 4>if you remember, and they really started it against the

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<v Speaker 4>Mariners with a bunch of comeback wins. If you remember,

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<v Speaker 4>they played in Seattle first, and you know, Kyle got

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<v Speaker 4>robbed of a home run there and just it was

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<v Speaker 4>that stretch. I remember thinking about it that October in

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<v Speaker 4>the playoffs when the Tigers were in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 3>They're a scent started just in the Mariners deceense.

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<v Speaker 4>That started too, and it was because of the Tigers

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<v Speaker 4>in a lot of ways that that started for the Mariners.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the Mariners went to Pittsburgh. Wasn't great there.

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<v Speaker 4>They had to face schemes the first night, I think

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<v Speaker 4>lost two or three, and then came here to LA

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<v Speaker 4>and got swept at Dodger Stadium and the next day

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<v Speaker 4>was an off day on Thursday. And I would describe

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<v Speaker 4>that as probably an all time low point for this franchise.

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<v Speaker 3>Got Service getting fired and the way.

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<v Speaker 4>That went down, and no one, I can promise you,

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<v Speaker 4>no one in the organization wants to relive that. That said, again,

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<v Speaker 4>it's similar vibes just around this team right now, just because.

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<v Speaker 3>You know the expectations were so high.

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<v Speaker 4>You know they expect way more of themselves, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>just obviously just about everything has gone sideways lately. And

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<v Speaker 4>again they're trying to figure it out both, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the coaches, the hitters, the front office, figuring out ways

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<v Speaker 4>to to get this thing on track here.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, again, I agree with you TJ.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think we're gonna see something dramatic by the

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<v Speaker 4>time we get back to Seattle on Friday. I think

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<v Speaker 4>Dan Wilson's going to be given a chance to kind

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<v Speaker 4>of write this ship, presumably through the sea. And again,

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<v Speaker 4>as they keep saying, you know, there's still time, there's

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<v Speaker 4>still time, there's still time. Brian Wu even said it

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<v Speaker 4>the other day. I know we've been saying that a

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<v Speaker 4>lot lately. We're running out of time. They all know it,

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<v Speaker 4>they all recognize it. It's it is one of those

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<v Speaker 4>things where sometimes they're trying too hard, and you know

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<v Speaker 4>that's that's kind of becomes detrimental. But they are, they're

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<v Speaker 4>running out of time to figure this out. And like

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<v Speaker 4>I said, it's a big week because you know, at

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<v Speaker 4>some point, you know, if you're continuing to roll up

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<v Speaker 4>the same lineup, continue to try to do the same things,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just not working. And I think everyone recognizes that,

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<v Speaker 4>and maybe there is some sort of drastic move that

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<v Speaker 4>they have to consider it here in the next week.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, before we really start to get into a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the trade deadline stuff, which we obviously want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about, I'll ask you this, how do things

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<v Speaker 2>go right against the Dodgers this week? How do the

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<v Speaker 2>Mariners find a way to salvage or dare I even say,

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<v Speaker 2>win two of three in LA?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Well, it probably wasn't an accident that the Dodgers

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<v Speaker 4>lined up two lefty starters here to start the series.

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<v Speaker 4>Robleski has been one of the biggest surprises in all

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<v Speaker 4>baseball this year. Great story, young left hander made the

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<v Speaker 4>All Star team, and then they got kind of the opposite,

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<v Speaker 4>a soft toss name lefty veteran Eric Lauer to go

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<v Speaker 4>on on Wednesday. I think the Dodgers know what they're doing,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think they recognize the Mariner's weaknesses.

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<v Speaker 3>So you got to start there.

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<v Speaker 4>The Mariner's you know, right handed side of the lineup's

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<v Speaker 4>got to figure it out. You know. I thought last

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<v Speaker 4>week to close out the homestand with Julio, we saw

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<v Speaker 4>some really good signs. You think of Elie d La

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<v Speaker 4>Cruz robbing him of that ridiculously hard one hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>ten mile prior one offer in the hole, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>he hit a home run. I think the next day

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<v Speaker 4>I will say, and we've written about this, but Julio's

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<v Speaker 4>not completely passed the concussion protocols stuff. Again, I think

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<v Speaker 4>he's he's fine, but they've been really intentional and careful

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<v Speaker 4>with his workload here in the past ten days or

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<v Speaker 4>so since he's come off the concussion. I l but

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<v Speaker 4>and again, you know, we it feels like we always

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<v Speaker 4>circle back to Julio the last five years on these conversations,

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<v Speaker 4>and on the one hand, that's not entirely fair.

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<v Speaker 3>On the other hand, like he's your number two hitter.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a right handed hitter against two lefties that you'd

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<v Speaker 4>like to see him do some damage against. And obviously

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<v Speaker 4>Randy's been really good all season, a Dom has been

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<v Speaker 4>hitting lefties pretty well.

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<v Speaker 3>The middle of the lineup's got to figure it out.

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously, this year, Cal's the biggest story, biggest story maybe

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<v Speaker 4>in all of baseball.

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<v Speaker 3>What the heck has happened with Cal? But Josh Naylor

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<v Speaker 3>is right there as well.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been what six weeks since he's hit a home run,

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<v Speaker 4>He's he's hit a ton of line drives, he's getting

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<v Speaker 4>on base.

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<v Speaker 3>He's he's getting his singles and doubles.

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<v Speaker 4>But obviously, one of the biggest cures I think the

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<v Speaker 4>marriage could have here in the second half is finding

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<v Speaker 4>the second half Josh Naylor from last year too, that

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<v Speaker 4>they got after the trade deadline. So yeah, they got

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<v Speaker 4>to figure out those lefties. That's the simple answer against

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<v Speaker 4>the Dodgers here. And then Roki Sasaki on on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 4>who has been much much better of late, but has

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<v Speaker 4>been a erratic at times in his career, so that

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<v Speaker 4>one's kind of unpredictable. But Luis Castillo, Emerson, Hancock, these

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<v Speaker 4>first two days kind of showcase games for those guys. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 4>their names have come up a ton. I've reported it,

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<v Speaker 4>everyone's reported it that. You know, obviously, the Marriers are

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<v Speaker 4>more open than they've ever been into shopping from their

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<v Speaker 4>starting rotation here because they do.

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<v Speaker 3>Have such a surplus and it is their strength.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, obviously the background on both those guys

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<v Speaker 4>is this their last outing with the Mariners, and it

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<v Speaker 4>certainly very well could be.

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<v Speaker 1>You asked George Kirby about this yesterday after his start,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said he wasn't hearing the outside noise. But

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking at the body language of a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these guys and talking with them, whether on the record

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<v Speaker 1>or not. Do you think they are hearing some of

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<v Speaker 1>the noise around them.

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<v Speaker 4>It feels like it'd be pretty impossible not to hear

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<v Speaker 4>some of it. In George's case, he might be able

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<v Speaker 4>to block it all out because he's a guy who's

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<v Speaker 4>pretty pretty focused.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know, you know, he says he's not on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't he's not on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if he has Instagram or if he does,

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<v Speaker 4>if he's even really active. But you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of times of stuff, it's not you know, you seeing

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<v Speaker 4>it scrolling it through social media or whatever. It's your

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<v Speaker 4>agent checking in with you, or friends or family, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>you see this, how you're doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Who knows?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to speculate specifically in George's case, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>with Louise and Emerson, Louise has been through this before.

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<v Speaker 4>The guy's been traded twenty seven times over the last

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<v Speaker 4>decade or whatever. Emerson really going through it for the

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<v Speaker 4>first time. So I am curious to see on Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 4>how how he looks, how he handles it. Again, some

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<v Speaker 4>guys are able to just brush it off and it's

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<v Speaker 4>not a big deal. Other guys, you know, it's only

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<v Speaker 4>natural you internalize a little bit if you're trying to

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<v Speaker 4>block it out the best you can, but you can't

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<v Speaker 4>help but let it creep in a little bit. So

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be curious to see how Emerson Hancock responds here

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<v Speaker 4>this week. But yeah, you can again when the team

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<v Speaker 4>was underperforming. I remember talking to Paul Seawall about this

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<v Speaker 4>in twenty twenty three, a week before the trade deadline,

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<v Speaker 4>and Paul was always a really honest and sincere guy,

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<v Speaker 4>and he was just like, we have to pick it

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<v Speaker 4>up or there's going to be some really uncomfortable conversations

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<v Speaker 4>here in the next couple of weeks, and he knew

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<v Speaker 4>his name was going to be at the forefront, and

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<v Speaker 3>And sailing selling trying to straddle there.

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<v Speaker 4>But obviously the context was much different than because the

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<v Speaker 3>And right now as bad as the Mariners have played.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me parlay what you just talked about and

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<v Speaker 2>segue that into a little bit of trade deadline talk here.

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<v Speaker 2>So as we're sitting here recording this Tuesday morning, it

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<v Speaker 2>was about a half hour ago, and Jeff Passen reported

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<v Speaker 2>the following, which was Emerson Hancock is expected to be

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<v Speaker 2>traded before the deadline. And maybe that lines up with

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<v Speaker 2>what you guys are hearing too in your own world.

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe partly that is maybe partly that's self explanatory.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll ask you, in your opinion, a week from now,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you put the odds out that one of

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<v Speaker 2>these starters is gone.

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<v Speaker 4>Definitely greater than fifty percent, probably closer to seventy five.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, they have to address the offense somehow, someway,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think it's fair to ask if this roster,

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<v Speaker 4>as it's currently constructed and as it's currently playing, is

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<v Speaker 4>worth investing a top prospecting if it's worth giving up

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<v Speaker 4>a top prospect part of your future for a short

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<v Speaker 4>term band aid fix, I would lean no, and my

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<v Speaker 4>senses the front office right now would would.

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<v Speaker 3>Lean no to that question as well.

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<v Speaker 4>So what that leave you, well, you know, we saw

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<v Speaker 4>a similar trade with the Red Sox and Nationals earlier

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<v Speaker 4>this week. The Red Sox traded one of their young

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<v Speaker 4>pitchers early for proven right handed veteran bat and Curtis

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<v Speaker 4>Meade's having a breakout year. I think that's pretty instructive

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<v Speaker 4>trade for what the Mariners are probably looking to do

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<v Speaker 4>and realistically what they can do.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Unfortunately, I think Marion fans might be a little disappointed

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<v Speaker 4>in the return, you know, the Manners end up getting

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<v Speaker 4>for Emerson Hancock. He's been awesome for them this year, Ben,

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<v Speaker 4>I think we can all agree one of their top

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<v Speaker 4>three starters, most consistent, maybe top two at times. Certainly

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<v Speaker 4>it's been an awesome story, awesome dude, awesome breakthrough year.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you're the Mariners, you know, trading Luis.

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<v Speaker 4>Castillo with thirty million dollars owed over the next year plus,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a hard contract to move even with as well

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<v Speaker 4>as he's been pitching of late. Emerson Hancock obviously, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>with his contract situation, he's under club control through twenty thirty,

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<v Speaker 4>much everyone can afford him, and so that's much much

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<v Speaker 4>easier to move, much more attractive for other teams. The

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<v Speaker 4>question is what can you get back? And again, you

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<v Speaker 4>know I threw it out there the other day. I

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<v Speaker 4>know the Mariners were intrigued by Spencer Steer. The Reds

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<v Speaker 4>were obviously in town last week. That sort of deal

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<v Speaker 4>made sense to me. Emerson Hancock for Spencer Steer. That's

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<v Speaker 4>not going to happen now Spencer sears on the injury list.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Casey Schmidt with the with San Francisco, his

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<v Speaker 4>name has been out there a toon obviously, another right

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<v Speaker 4>handed bat third base, could play some left field, another

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<v Speaker 4>guy having a breakout year. To me, he's kind of

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<v Speaker 4>the parallel the hitting version of Emerson Hancock, where kind

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<v Speaker 4>of struggled for two three years trying to get settled

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<v Speaker 4>in the majors and finally he's having a breakout year

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<v Speaker 4>this year. That made some sense that could still happen,

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<v Speaker 4>but now he's banged up. Casey Schmid is now banged

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<v Speaker 4>up as well, so I don't know exactly where that

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<v Speaker 4>leaves them, but yeah, again, I wrote a does yesterday,

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<v Speaker 4>but it does increasingly feel like one of those two,

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<v Speaker 4>Luis Castile or Emerson Hancock is kind to get traded

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<v Speaker 4>and the Mariners will get more, no doubt for Emerson Hancock.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's why we kind of keep circling back to

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<v Speaker 4>that name, and why the Mariners do too, because the

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<v Speaker 4>market is telling them that they're gonna get a lot

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<v Speaker 4>more and more teams are interested in Emson Emerson Hancock.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would the Mariners prioritize trading Emerson over trading George Kirby.

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<v Speaker 4>Good question, but remember George Kirby was their hand picked

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<v Speaker 4>starter for Game seven, the first Game seven in franchise history,

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<v Speaker 4>last year in Toronto. He's a guy who was their

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<v Speaker 4>first round pick. And Emerson Hancock was too, obviously, But

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<v Speaker 4>you know, when you look at the Mariners priorities, their mantra,

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<v Speaker 4>their entire pitching philosophy, it's throws strikes. No one in

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<v Speaker 4>the history of baseball is done that better than George Kirby.

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<v Speaker 4>And again we're talking, you know, less than twenty four

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<v Speaker 4>hours after one of George's worst starts of his career.

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<v Speaker 4>So I get that that's important context, and there's an

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<v Speaker 4>emotional reaction from the fan base right now, not only

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<v Speaker 4>to George but the way everything's going with the offense

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<v Speaker 4>and the direction in general of this team. But I

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<v Speaker 4>think if you pulled every front office in baseball, they'd

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<v Speaker 4>probably all tell you George is the more talented, more established,

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<v Speaker 4>clearly and more proven clearly starter between those two guys,

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<v Speaker 4>And so Maryor's still having for two more years. I

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<v Speaker 4>think there's a general sense, you know, in the industry,

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<v Speaker 4>that George will test free agency when he gets there

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<v Speaker 4>in a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 3>He's an East Coast guy. I think there's an assumption

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<v Speaker 3>that he'd prefer to.

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<v Speaker 4>Get back East. I don't know that that's true. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think he's ever verbalized that, but that's been an

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<v Speaker 4>assumption out there for a while. Will he resign with

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<v Speaker 4>the Mariners, who knows. But again, I can see the

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<v Speaker 4>logic behind some of the speculation the last couple of

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<v Speaker 4>weeks and why George's name has been out there. But

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<v Speaker 4>I've asked around specifically and ke the answer I keep

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<v Speaker 4>getting industry wide, It's like, no, the Marriers are not

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<v Speaker 4>shopping George Kirby. They made it clear they do not

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<v Speaker 4>want to move George Kirby. Now, can that change in

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<v Speaker 4>the next five six days?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure?

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<v Speaker 4>I think with this roster, this team, you can't necessarily

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<v Speaker 4>rule out anything. But at this point I would be

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<v Speaker 4>shocked if the Marriers were willing to move any of

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<v Speaker 4>those top four guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting, I guess, yeah, And I think to TJ's point,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even think it really just stems not from us,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, from to the general fan base, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not even just stemming from the start on Monday. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's people weigh the four and a half years

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<v Speaker 2>of Hancock versus the two and a half years of Kirby,

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<v Speaker 2>and they say, to your point, you know, Kirby's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>walk in free agency and you have more time with Hancock,

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<v Speaker 2>Like what's the difference in value and what's the difference

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<v Speaker 2>in return on the trade market that you could get? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>is there more value for Kirby? But clearly it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>seem like the Mariners are gonna yeah again.

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<v Speaker 4>Like Mariers have viewed him as a top of the

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<v Speaker 4>rotation cyum type talent for a long time. Now, this

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<v Speaker 4>would mark you know, a low, maybe the low point

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<v Speaker 4>in his career, one of.

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<v Speaker 3>Them Ni Keiths.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, he kind of peaked, I suppose a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of years ago and All Star in twenty three, but

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<v Speaker 4>it just feels like it'd be a little bit of

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<v Speaker 4>a cell low, and I just don't know that that

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<v Speaker 4>makes sense for.

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<v Speaker 3>The Mariners right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So if we look at bats, they could add because

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<v Speaker 2>obviously that's something that the team desperately needs, specifically from

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<v Speaker 2>the right handed side of the plate. If things don't

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<v Speaker 2>go well in LA this week, does that change their

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<v Speaker 2>course at all with the trade deadline? I mean, does

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<v Speaker 2>that change their mantra with how much they're willing to buy.

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<v Speaker 3>It? Certainly could. All I know is they've been telling

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<v Speaker 3>teams and that they're all in.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is again I think, as we said, everyone

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<v Speaker 4>recognizes the American League as it is as winnable as

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<v Speaker 4>it's probably ever been.

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<v Speaker 3>And when you're the Mariners, you came into the year

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<v Speaker 3>with what.

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<v Speaker 4>They thought was the most talented roster they've had during

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<v Speaker 4>this era over the last decade, and maybe one of

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<v Speaker 4>the maybe the most sounds that I'm sure I wrote

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<v Speaker 4>this in screen training when I was as bullish as

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<v Speaker 4>anyone on the Mariners, but you know, it felt like

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<v Speaker 4>the most talented roster they'd have as a franchise since

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty one. And concerning the youth and some of

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<v Speaker 4>the guys who looked like they were ascending a ton

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<v Speaker 4>of guys in their prime. You look at how many

0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:25.360
<v Speaker 4>of these guys are even over thirty, right, these guys

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<v Speaker 4>are in their prime. And you know, for so many

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<v Speaker 4>of these guys to have maybe you know, the worst

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<v Speaker 4>seasons of their career or or if not the worst,

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<v Speaker 4>at least to drop off as much as they have,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you can't predict those sorts of things, and

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<v Speaker 4>all the projection systems and all that whatever you want

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<v Speaker 4>to look at. This was a bottom ten percentile outcome

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<v Speaker 4>I think for this team had to have been. So

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I don't know what the future short

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<v Speaker 4>term future volts for them, but I do know, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we talked to Jerry Depoto, you know, in the out

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<v Speaker 4>in Texas, Shannon Dreyer, Daniel Kramer, and myself, and he's

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<v Speaker 4>clearly not happy. He's upset. That was why you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Bobby Maggie Honess was dismissed. It was intended as a

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<v Speaker 4>way to fire up, you know, that offensive group. Jerry

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<v Speaker 4>even acknowledged I wrote this, you know, he wasn't sure

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<v Speaker 4>it was the exact right move, but they didn't want

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<v Speaker 4>to do something so drastic that you know, they kind

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<v Speaker 4>of lost their philosophical way right now.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was something to try a lot of fire

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<v Speaker 3>under these guys a little.

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<v Speaker 4>Bit, because nothing in the past six weeks or so

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<v Speaker 4>it seemed to be working.

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<v Speaker 3>And again that's explaining Jerry's side of things.

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<v Speaker 4>You can agree with it or disagree with it or not,

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<v Speaker 4>but I do think Jerry sounded a bit like a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of the fans I hear on social media and

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<v Speaker 4>in my inbox every day, where like, the same thing

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<v Speaker 4>seems to be happening just about every night, every night,

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<v Speaker 4>every night, and someone needed to try to shake things.

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<v Speaker 3>Up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>And obviously Jerry's you know, into the spotlight, under the

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<v Speaker 4>fire from the fan base too, and rightfully so when

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<v Speaker 4>the team is underperforming, everyone is, and in his words,

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:13.480
<v Speaker 4>there are consequences when you know you're underperforming like this,

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<v Speaker 4>And so again, as I said at the top, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>does that mean something draftic is gonna happen in the

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<v Speaker 4>next five six days.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe.

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<v Speaker 4>I again, I just don't know if it's wise for

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<v Speaker 4>this team to trade one of your top prospects. They're

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<v Speaker 4>not gonna trade Katee Anderson or Ryan Sloan. Would they

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<v Speaker 4>consider Michael Royal or Las Montes or Johnny Farmelo or

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:37.520
<v Speaker 4>Feline Celestin. I mean, maybe you package one of those

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<v Speaker 4>guys with Emerson Hancock. You feel like you'd get a

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<v Speaker 4>pretty pretty darn big return, pretty good bat. But again,

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<v Speaker 4>what bat is out there that would require you to

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<v Speaker 4>give up? You know, two pieces like that in a

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<v Speaker 4>in a major sort of blockbuster type deal. You would

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<v Speaker 4>have done that for Randy Roseraino two years ago, and

0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 4>the Mariners did that two years ago. They brought in

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<v Speaker 4>Josh Naylor and Gino Suarez. They're not a that's ready

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<v Speaker 4>to go take the big swing for the biggest hitters

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know who those guys are that the marriage

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<v Speaker 1>Marine Layer. If Spencer Steers hurt and Casey Schmidt is hurt,

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<v Speaker 1>and who else the Mariners and Orioles don't line up

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<v Speaker 1>to make a trade as you've talked about in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>and the idea of c Suzuki is foreign to the

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<v Speaker 1>Cubs since they're well into a playoff spot. Who do

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<v Speaker 1>the Mariners trade for? Are there are there any other

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<v Speaker 1>ideas out there that just haven't been talked about a bunch.

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<v Speaker 4>I would love to hear your guys the ideas at

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<v Speaker 4>this point. I've been looking around again. Sometimes it feels

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<v Speaker 4>like a fool's errand right, You're like, I'm just I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not hearing any other names, and so you know there's

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<v Speaker 4>an echo chamber a risk at some point too, right,

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<v Speaker 4>if you're looking around and you know, I, if I

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<v Speaker 4>were to throw it in or on Twitter or something,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's I don't make it clear enough that it's

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<v Speaker 4>my idea or speculative on my end, it comes across

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<v Speaker 4>as reporting. And so I try to be really careful

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:13.840
<v Speaker 4>with that stuff because I'm I don't want to throw

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<v Speaker 4>in a name just speculating when and then if somebody

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 4>else picks it up and it's like it turns into

0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:22.720
<v Speaker 4>her I'm reporting it or whatever too. So I always

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<v Speaker 4>try to straddle that line as carefully as I can,

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<v Speaker 4>not always successfully, but yeah, I don't again, like, is

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<v Speaker 4>there a you know, Luise Robert Jr. Right, there's a

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<v Speaker 4>report that the Mets are desperate to get rid of

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 4>him with them. Would he be an upgrade in right

0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 4>field for the managers? You're just coming obviously as a

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 4>platoon piece, like as that worthwhile risk with his contract

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 4>and again you throw out, you know, with with the

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 4>Mets take on Louis Castillo's contract for Louise Robert. I'm

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:51.040
<v Speaker 4>sure people have gone down that rabbit hole. And sure,

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<v Speaker 4>on paper, in theory it makes it looks it looks

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<v Speaker 4>good for both sides in some ways. But you also

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<v Speaker 4>have to consider the fact that for a team like

0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 4>the Mets, for these teams that are over the luxury

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 4>tax already, you're taking on not only the money owed

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<v Speaker 4>to Luis Castio, but it's basically doubled because of the

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<v Speaker 4>luxury tax too. So do they want Louis Castillo for

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<v Speaker 4>sixty million dollars, let's say, for the next year and

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<v Speaker 4>a half.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know that anyone wants that.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, maybe maybe there's there's something there where it's

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<v Speaker 4>a very low risk. Mariners don't have to give up much.

0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 4>You're just taking on Louise Robert Junior's money. But again,

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 4>I is he really an upgrade? Is he better than

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 4>just bringing up Michael Royal? Right now? You know again,

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:40.720
<v Speaker 4>I'd love to hear your guys, because just who else

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 4>is even out there right handed or even left handed

0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 4>to shoot? Just go out and get Louise Rise, make

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 4>him the everyday DH. I don't think he loved that,

0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 4>but is that a possibility. I think the Marigs are

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<v Speaker 4>probably looking at every auction right now, but obviously preferred

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:55.320
<v Speaker 4>and really need someone from the right side.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was gonna say, this is our specialty, so

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 2>you want to pass this on to us. I mean,

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:04.320
<v Speaker 2>we are ideas men to the one hundredth percentile when

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<v Speaker 2>talking about players to add to the roster, one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Funny enough, you brought him up on your own. I

0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 2>was gonna say, it puts a knot in my stomach

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 2>to even throw it out there. But I was gonna say,

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Luise Robert just on the idea of availability and potential

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 2>contract swaps and the idea that if you get him right,

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:25.600
<v Speaker 2>that he could be somewhat of a spark plug for

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 2>the offense. The problem is, I mean, I'm just sitting

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 2>here pulling up his numbers as we're talking. He has

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 2>not had a WRC plus above one hundred since twenty

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:36.560
<v Speaker 2>twenty three. And that's paired with the strikeouts and the

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 2>injuries and the money he's o. I don't know that one.

0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:42.360
<v Speaker 2>That one doesn't feel like it's like a match made

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<v Speaker 2>in Heaven?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, How about this idea, guys? I mean, I know

0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 1>the Blue Jays are terrible and it's a bummers contracts

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 1>a little bit longer because you just signed this offseason.

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:54.600
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, if Kazuma Okamota was on like

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<v Speaker 1>a three year contract, could you convince the Blue Jays

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<v Speaker 1>to Swapis Castillo for Okamoto. It's not like Okamoto's like

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<v Speaker 1>on the upswing. He's already thirty, so it's like, hey,

0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:10.239
<v Speaker 1>he's making seventeen million dollars at thirty one, thirty two,

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 1>and thirty three. Can we swap like you're gonna have?

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>You might trade, You might trade Kevin Gosman away, but

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:19.440
<v Speaker 1>you can then receive Louis Castile back to fill his

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 1>spot in the rotation. Like, doesn't sound like the worst idea,

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.320
<v Speaker 1>And you could send them a prospect too to help

0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 1>sort of balance that out Okamoto does play third base, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just an idea. The other thing Loud I've been

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 1>talking about Adam is like, are the Mariners willing to

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 1>like move a position player that's currently on their roster

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 1>to clear some space for a trade candidate, someone who

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:44.200
<v Speaker 1>like better fits what they want? For example, in this scenario,

0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 1>do you move JP Crawford so you open up third

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>base for someone to potentially come in in play?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I have a hard time to seeing that in reality, right.

0:32:57.720 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 4>But again, as I citer earlier, I don't think you

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 4>can necessarily out anything either. Sure, if you're really trying

0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:05.040
<v Speaker 4>to shake things up, really trying to rattle in cages,

0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 4>really trying to piss people off, that'd be one way

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:13.400
<v Speaker 4>to do it. Again, I just I don't entirely see it.

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 4>But everything, for the most part, everything has to be

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 4>on the table right now.

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 3>Okamoto.

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:20.760
<v Speaker 4>Obviously, the Mariors did their homework in the off season.

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 4>You know, they weren't willing to meet that price tag.

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 4>And I don't think I wasn't told this specifically, but

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:30.280
<v Speaker 4>my sense was, you know, they didn't think he could

0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:33.560
<v Speaker 4>play third base every day and might not have been

0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:37.560
<v Speaker 4>a great fit at Tea Mobile Park. But and again,

0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 4>he's hit some home runs, I know, and I think

0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 4>he's been about what the Blue Jays hoped he would be.

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 3>But I don't think he's been a world beater either.

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:49.720
<v Speaker 4>Obviously he could help the Americ Nursey, yes, but I

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 4>don't know if that's a perfect fit either.

0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:53.760
<v Speaker 3>And I don't know that they want to take on

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:57.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, that kind of contract either.

0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:01.560
<v Speaker 4>Again, I think they're willing to to to raise the

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 4>payroll a little bit, it's my sense, just like they

0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 4>have for the last handful of years when they've been competitive,

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:10.240
<v Speaker 4>But I don't know if they're really willing to shoot

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 4>through the roof either.

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 1>And another guy who would make sense is Zach Netto.

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:17.440
<v Speaker 1>But the problem is he plays for the Angels. Yeah,

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:18.920
<v Speaker 1>that ain't like you can just take that off the

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:19.760
<v Speaker 1>table right away.

0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 2>No, that's not, especially because the Angels need starting pitching.

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Like in theory, it it lines up. But yeah, when

0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 2>when you're the Mariners and you've made a trade with

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:32.880
<v Speaker 2>every team in Major League Baseball in the last ten

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 2>years except that one, something tells me it's not happening.

0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 3>You know it does, doesn't it feel like things are

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:38.320
<v Speaker 3>changing though. With the Angels.

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:42.920
<v Speaker 4>Obviously they you know he's in there now, but so

0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 4>they're gonna do something, right, they But I guess we've

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 4>been taking that for ten years. They've gotta gotta do something.

0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:50.840
<v Speaker 4>But it does feel like but now I have a

0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:53.240
<v Speaker 4>hard time seeing, uh, seeing that matchup.

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they changed their front office, but the guy that

0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:57.040
<v Speaker 2>sits at the top of that org is still the same.

0:34:57.200 --> 0:34:59.360
<v Speaker 2>So something tells me that may not be happening. The

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:01.719
<v Speaker 2>one other one I'll throw out there if you want

0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 2>to try to parallel a Gino move at this deadline,

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:06.319
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure this would fire up just about every

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:08.400
<v Speaker 2>fan you could imagine, even though I don't know if

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.839
<v Speaker 2>it logistically makes sense. Is well, do you just bring

0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:14.879
<v Speaker 2>back ty France? The problem with that is I don't

0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 2>know where he plays, and I don't know if the

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Padres are really gonna sell at this point or not.

0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:20.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they've won a few in a row now,

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 2>so I'll throw the name out there if we're just

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:25.320
<v Speaker 2>throwing names out there, But I don't know if that

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:26.839
<v Speaker 2>one really helped, Like, I don't know if that one

0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:27.440
<v Speaker 2>really happens.

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:30.799
<v Speaker 4>TI's been awesome this year, Yeah, it's been really cool

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:32.759
<v Speaker 4>to see for him when the gold Glove last year

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:35.719
<v Speaker 4>and then getting a regular chance finally again this year

0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:38.040
<v Speaker 4>and taking advantage of it. It's been one of the Potters'

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 4>best hitters all the year. And yeah, he looks pretty

0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:42.439
<v Speaker 4>darn good in the Mariners ligne up right now. But yeah,

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 4>to your point highlight, where would he play again?

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:48.359
<v Speaker 3>D H or whatever? But I just don't think.

0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 4>I mean, aj Fereller is the most unpredictable executive in baseball.

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 3>He's gonna do something wild in the next week, I'm sure.

0:35:56.320 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 4>But folks I've talked to don't expect him to try

0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:02.960
<v Speaker 4>Mason Miller unless it's just an absolute windfall.

0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:06.759
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, they're riding it now too.

0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:09.759
<v Speaker 4>Again, Like it's it's much better to be the third

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:12.400
<v Speaker 4>wild card than he's sitting at home in October, isn't it.

0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 4>Like even if you know whatever, they have to go

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:17.600
<v Speaker 4>to Atlanta for that first series or whatever the case

0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 4>may be, Like you've at least got a lottery ticket

0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 4>you're in.

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:23.520
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, the.

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:25.400
<v Speaker 4>Padres in a lot of ways, do feel like they

0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:30.279
<v Speaker 4>kind of control this this market. They again, just like

0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:33.440
<v Speaker 4>the Marriors have done with relievers in the past, Paul SEAWALLD.

0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 4>You know, they could trade one of their other relievers.

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 4>Adrian Marahone is one of the best, if not the best,

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:45.400
<v Speaker 4>lefty relievers in in baseball. The Mariners would prefer a

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:48.760
<v Speaker 4>right handed reliever, I'm sure, but if that guy's available,

0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:51.840
<v Speaker 4>you know, at a reasonable cost, he's a he's a rental,

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 4>which is something the Mirrors have historically, you know, shot

0:36:56.200 --> 0:37:00.839
<v Speaker 4>away from. But that guy with a pretty darn good

0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 4>in the marriage well and a lot of guys would

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 4>And so that's another one we haven't really talked about

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 4>because it's less of a priority. But you know, with

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 4>the uncertainly around Matt Brash, you know, sounds like he's

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 4>probably more of a September return at this point. But

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:16.040
<v Speaker 4>been on the Angel list twice already, I'm not sure

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:19.480
<v Speaker 4>how much you can entirely count on a fully healthy

0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 4>Matt Brash unfortunately. So yeah, they want to go and

0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:25.360
<v Speaker 4>give you another reliever to a guy throughout there a

0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:28.640
<v Speaker 4>few weeks ago that maybe looks like more real, really

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:33.359
<v Speaker 4>realistic option is Jonathan Bender with the Marlins, who's been

0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:37.800
<v Speaker 4>really good, underrated, you know, late bloomer type, had some injuries,

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:41.120
<v Speaker 4>but really good numbers and a guy feels like the

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 4>Mariners could do some good things with So again, I

0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:46.520
<v Speaker 4>don't know if it's gonna be the splashy move. I

0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:50.319
<v Speaker 4>really don't see Mason Miller coming to Seattle, but they're

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 4>gonna they're gonna add somebody there that that they assume

0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:56.320
<v Speaker 4>that they hope can help. So it gets the secondary

0:37:56.360 --> 0:38:00.080
<v Speaker 4>priority to to right handed back. But I think the

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:01.560
<v Speaker 4>marriage are hoping to do what they've done in the

0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 4>past and add one of each.

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Is there any remaining chance the Mariners pay at King

0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:09.000
<v Speaker 1>King's ransom for Trek Schooble.

0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 3>No, okay, ask, I'm trying to see a scenario no, like.

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:21.880
<v Speaker 1>The one we've always thrown out there at him is

0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:24.279
<v Speaker 1>that you essentially have to swap starters. You take an

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:28.360
<v Speaker 1>l on paper, but you give yourself a better chance

0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:30.439
<v Speaker 1>this postseason.

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:32.399
<v Speaker 4>Get you get a Game seven starter who doesn't want

0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 4>right That's why there's still rumblings that the Dodgers might

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 4>swoop in at the last second, drop the hammer and

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:40.840
<v Speaker 4>bring Terrek's School in because they can't a they have

0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 4>the rotation depth to trade from it from the major

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:47.480
<v Speaker 4>league level, but they are a ridiculously good farm system too,

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:50.160
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, it's just not fair these Dodgers.

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:52.200
<v Speaker 2>What are we doing it well? And it's funny and

0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:54.640
<v Speaker 2>they and you sit there right now looking at them,

0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:56.879
<v Speaker 2>and while you expect to get all their A level

0:38:56.920 --> 0:38:59.319
<v Speaker 2>starters back healthy at some point. I mean, Blake Snell

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:01.720
<v Speaker 2>hasn't made many arts, Glass now has made many stars,

0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:03.919
<v Speaker 2>show has now banged up in terms of on the mound.

0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:06.440
<v Speaker 2>He's still gonna hit. But like, you know, if you're

0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:08.399
<v Speaker 2>the Dodgers looking at this market, you could be saying

0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 2>to yourself, yeah, like we could use another starter.

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:13.840
<v Speaker 3>Right, And I'm sure they're in those conversations, what's it

0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:14.919
<v Speaker 3>gonna take? What do you want?

0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 4>And again maybe the last second they swoop in and

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:23.040
<v Speaker 4>do something dramatic. They don't really need him obviously, and

0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:25.399
<v Speaker 4>again I just don't you know. It's been a tough

0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 4>turn through the rotation for the Mariners. But as we've

0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:32.840
<v Speaker 4>talked about, you know, the Mariners believe in their process,

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:35.280
<v Speaker 4>they believe in what they've done, certainly on the pitching

0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 4>side more than the hitting. But they feel like they're

0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:41.840
<v Speaker 4>set up for the long term here. And just because

0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:45.759
<v Speaker 4>they've played poorly for six weeks or two months here, yes,

0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:48.759
<v Speaker 4>really largely the whole season, but particularly here in the

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 4>last six weeks to two months. I don't know that

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:57.760
<v Speaker 4>they want to completely break away from their big, big plans,

0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:01.439
<v Speaker 4>their larger vision, which is basically.

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:02.800
<v Speaker 3>What it would required to bring into school.

0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:04.880
<v Speaker 4>I just I just don't have and I was one

0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:07.680
<v Speaker 4>of the first to advocate for it, because you know why,

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:10.439
<v Speaker 4>this is your window. It's wide open, you know, drop

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:12.319
<v Speaker 4>the hammer and bringing that guy that puts you over

0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 4>the top.

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:15.320
<v Speaker 3>But for multiple reasons.

0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:17.560
<v Speaker 4>You know the prospect capital you have to get up,

0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:20.440
<v Speaker 4>get up, and just knowing you only have them for

0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 4>at most ten starts, right, I just don't.

0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:24.360
<v Speaker 3>I just don't see it.

0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:28.720
<v Speaker 1>Last thing from me, Adam. Regardless of how the Mariners

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:32.319
<v Speaker 1>approach this deadline, this August is brutal. They It's as

0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 1>hard as I think I've ever seen an August for them,

0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:37.839
<v Speaker 1>and the way they're currently playing, I have a hard

0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:41.360
<v Speaker 1>time seeing them not being more games below five hundred

0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:44.640
<v Speaker 1>than they are right now unless something changes. What does

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:47.160
<v Speaker 1>happen if they end August and they're like seven to

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:51.239
<v Speaker 1>ten games below five hundred. Get with the window they're

0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:54.000
<v Speaker 1>in and the expectation that they have that they're supposed

0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 1>to make the World Series this year.

0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:58.919
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, I don't know, but I do know there'll

0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:01.920
<v Speaker 4>be a lot of uncomfortab questions like that, a lot

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:06.800
<v Speaker 4>of uncomfortable conversations, and certainly not a place that marriers

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:08.359
<v Speaker 4>want to be a month from now. But you're right,

0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:12.319
<v Speaker 4>August is pretty brutal stretch. Have another ten game trip

0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:15.240
<v Speaker 4>east coast or it's really all over the country, right, it's.

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:19.279
<v Speaker 3>Is it New York, Houston? Then Milwaukee's at the order?

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:22.319
<v Speaker 2>That sounds right, Yeah, that sounds right because they get,

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:24.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, after the Dodgers, they get the Twins and

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:26.440
<v Speaker 2>the I guess the Tigers, which is a little bit

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:27.840
<v Speaker 2>of a soft spot. But the Tigers are played a

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:28.640
<v Speaker 2>little better as of late.

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 1>But then yeah, Twins are ahead of them in the schedule,

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:32.480
<v Speaker 1>on the in the standings.

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so there's that. But then you get yeah,

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:37.040
<v Speaker 2>I think I think you got it right. I think

0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 2>it's Houston, New York, Milwaukee.

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:41.120
<v Speaker 4>You're not going all across the country in ten days.

0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:42.600
<v Speaker 4>I don't even know if there's a I don't have

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:43.600
<v Speaker 4>it right in front of me. I don't even know

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 4>if there's a day off.

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:46.759
<v Speaker 2>And got to be but then you get then you

0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:48.520
<v Speaker 2>get the Cubs and the Phillies at home, and then

0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:51.920
<v Speaker 2>you go to Boston. It's everywhere. It's everywhere.

0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:56.239
<v Speaker 4>So but then I guess the flip side. September on

0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 4>paper looks like, you know, that's where they're going to

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:03.919
<v Speaker 4>make their push and again, get through this next month.

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:07.879
<v Speaker 4>It's fair to ask how, but try to get through

0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:08.360
<v Speaker 4>this next.

0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:10.799
<v Speaker 3>Month hovering around five hundred, and then.

0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:13.160
<v Speaker 4>You hope you can make a push in September and

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:16.080
<v Speaker 4>the division is still really bad and you can win

0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 4>the division with eighty two wins.

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:23.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm being a little sarcastic there, but you know, eighty

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:24.799
<v Speaker 3>five might get it done.

0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:27.279
<v Speaker 4>I don't, yeah, I at the way everyone's playing right now,

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:29.719
<v Speaker 4>but you know they've made it a three team weight

0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:31.640
<v Speaker 4>raised when it didn't need to be. And that's just

0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:34.520
<v Speaker 4>a position they've put themselves in. And that's why there's

0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:38.120
<v Speaker 4>a you know, they can't frustration. That's the word everyone

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:41.960
<v Speaker 4>falls back on, but it's it's more than that. There's anger,

0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 4>there's disappointment, all the emotions, and they know they need

0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:47.919
<v Speaker 4>to figure it out and they picked a brutal time

0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:50.399
<v Speaker 4>to try to do it because they're here in La

0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:53.120
<v Speaker 4>going to Dodger Stadium, and then, as you said, TJ,

0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 4>with the schedule in front of them, it's very much

0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:57.000
<v Speaker 4>survival mode.

0:42:56.920 --> 0:42:57.759
<v Speaker 3>Right now for these guys.

0:42:58.920 --> 0:42:59.920
<v Speaker 2>I think we hit just about it.

0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:00.520
<v Speaker 4>Name.

0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:02.440
<v Speaker 2>We talked about the names on the trade market that

0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:04.480
<v Speaker 2>we could throw out there, and I think we hit

0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:06.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of them, which isn't that many because it's

0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:09.960
<v Speaker 2>just not a robust market. But I guess we'll see

0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:12.360
<v Speaker 2>what they do in the next handful of days to

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:16.520
<v Speaker 2>week in terms of play on the field and acquisitions

0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:18.480
<v Speaker 2>on the trade market, because it's gonna be a very

0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:21.319
<v Speaker 2>very interesting final five days or so lead or yeah,

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:24.560
<v Speaker 2>leading up to this trade deadline, so people should buckle up.

0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:26.480
<v Speaker 2>I think there's gonna be a lot of hills and

0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:28.759
<v Speaker 2>valleys over the next few days in terms of emotions,

0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 2>and you know, we'll just see how it all plays out,

0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:33.759
<v Speaker 2>especially after this week in La. Adam, you're the best.

0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:35.640
<v Speaker 2>We always love having you on. Thanks so much for

0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:38.080
<v Speaker 2>helping us break all this down and we'll talk soon.

0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 3>Good stuff, guys, Thanks for having me. Always enjoy it.

0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 2>Shout out to Adam is always for hopping on. If

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:48.200
<v Speaker 2>we have any takeaways from that, I don't think there's

0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:53.280
<v Speaker 2>any that are groundbreaking, but just sounds like Adam's similar

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:55.439
<v Speaker 2>to us, doesn't think this is a very strong trade

0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:56.240
<v Speaker 2>market for buyers.

0:43:57.160 --> 0:43:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Even the people as tapped in as Adam Jude are

0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:02.800
<v Speaker 1>still wondering who is actually available on this deadline, and

0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:05.160
<v Speaker 1>the only people that know are the thirty people that

0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:09.640
<v Speaker 1>run these franchises and run the Baseball operations department. Oly

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry's got a good idea of what's available and what's

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<v Speaker 1>in front of him, because I mean the rest of

0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:17.880
<v Speaker 1>us we don't really know. I think my main takeaway

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:19.960
<v Speaker 1>at this and we're talking with Adam about this a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit before recording, the vibe of the Mariners needs

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:27.000
<v Speaker 1>to change. Last year, the vibe of the Mariners could

0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:29.239
<v Speaker 1>change number one because they had a sixty home run

0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:31.879
<v Speaker 1>catcher and number two because they were able to bring

0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:34.680
<v Speaker 1>in two great vibes guys for what they needed last

0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:38.080
<v Speaker 1>year in Aohenios Warz and Josh Naylor. They don't have

0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:42.840
<v Speaker 1>any vibes, let alone production, just vibes and clubhouse presents

0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:45.440
<v Speaker 1>to bring into this team like they had last year.

0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:49.200
<v Speaker 1>So we keep saying it like if things are gonna

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:53.080
<v Speaker 1>shift with this team, it's gonna have to come from within.

0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:55.719
<v Speaker 1>I just don't know where that's gonna come from.

0:44:56.680 --> 0:44:59.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's gonna have to come from cal Julio and Naylor,

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Like they're supposed to hit but they're not doing it

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<v Speaker 2>right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And on top of that, again, it's gonna have to

0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:07.760
<v Speaker 1>be like the presence in the clubhouse to like change

0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:11.040
<v Speaker 1>the mindset of everybody because it's not good right now.

0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:14.560
<v Speaker 1>There's no way it's good. The change is gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to come from within. The problem is it's really hard

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.160
<v Speaker 1>to just change from within without really changing anything. I mean,

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:24.680
<v Speaker 1>that's why Jerry fired Bobby magianis he said to show

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:26.640
<v Speaker 1>people like, hey, you got to wake up, like you

0:45:26.800 --> 0:45:29.200
<v Speaker 1>have to make a change. But if nothing can actually

0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:33.560
<v Speaker 1>change with the team, then how much really will change?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not all that much again unless players really start hitting.

0:45:38.840 --> 0:45:40.960
<v Speaker 2>But I would say those were the main takeaways other

0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:43.880
<v Speaker 2>than yeah, not a ton of bats available.

0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:48.319
<v Speaker 1>Then Adam doesn't think there's gonna be another move made

0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:49.280
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the season.

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:52.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Now that doesn't mean there's not a move made

0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:54.759
<v Speaker 2>after the season, but maybe not in the season. If

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:57.719
<v Speaker 2>the Mariners missed the like if the Mariners missed the playoffs,

0:45:57.760 --> 0:46:01.000
<v Speaker 2>man with this season with these expectations. I don't know

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:05.279
<v Speaker 2>how there's not changes made, but it just maybe on

0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:10.520
<v Speaker 2>October first rather than August tenth, right.

0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:14.920
<v Speaker 1>So we'll see nothing. Nothing is for sure, well except

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:18.080
<v Speaker 1>besides the fact that Adam said, well over fifty percent

0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 1>chance Mariner's starting pitcher is traded at this deadline. So

0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:24.840
<v Speaker 1>within the next week one of the six guys in

0:46:24.880 --> 0:46:27.879
<v Speaker 1>this rotation will not be there, and it is unfortunately

0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:30.120
<v Speaker 1>leaning towards our guy Emerson Hancock.

0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I like your Kazuma Okamoto idea. It's creative.

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:36.080
<v Speaker 2>I just think his contract's too long.

0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:41.560
<v Speaker 1>He's not making that much money. That what like might

0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:43.600
<v Speaker 1>be like a quote unquote like poison pill for a

0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:45.719
<v Speaker 1>lot of teams with Luis's contract, if you're gonna put

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:48.680
<v Speaker 1>him in the rotation, given he pitches to like an

0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:51.640
<v Speaker 1>average rate and is healthy. The entire year, odds are

0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:54.240
<v Speaker 1>Hill had one hundred and eighty innings and his option

0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:57.200
<v Speaker 1>for the next year of his contract will vest and

0:46:57.280 --> 0:47:00.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll have an extra year and twenty million dollars. And

0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:02.319
<v Speaker 1>you say to the Blue Jays, okay, you have all

0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:06.080
<v Speaker 1>these years of Kazuma Okamoto remaining at seventeen million dollars,

0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:10.960
<v Speaker 1>you're now more prepared to take on a contract of

0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:13.399
<v Speaker 1>Louis Castio that could actually be a year longer than

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:17.040
<v Speaker 1>you might want. But we're also taking money off your

0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:20.440
<v Speaker 1>hands too with Okamoto, and since he's thirty and you

0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:23.080
<v Speaker 1>guys might need to tear down and reset a little bit.

0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Maybe this doesn't make as much sense, but Adam seems

0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:29.040
<v Speaker 1>to think that the Mariners have done enough homework on

0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Kazuma Okamoto that they might not deem that worth it.

0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:33.840
<v Speaker 1>But if it's a one for one swap with Louis Castile,

0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:35.840
<v Speaker 1>or maybe you again just send a prospect to the

0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Blue Jays as well, maybe that would work. He's not

0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:42.200
<v Speaker 1>bringing you all sorts of like contact or anything that's

0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:45.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna make your team strike out less, But what he

0:47:45.239 --> 0:47:47.840
<v Speaker 1>is gonna do is help you hit more home runs,

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:50.080
<v Speaker 1>which is really the only way your offense has been

0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:52.560
<v Speaker 1>successful this season. That's what he's been really good at.

0:47:53.160 --> 0:47:55.000
<v Speaker 2>It's just the Blue Jays are in such a similar

0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:57.439
<v Speaker 2>spot to the Mariners where they don't feel like they're

0:47:57.480 --> 0:48:00.800
<v Speaker 2>looking to tear down or truly sell off law term pieces.

0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I think they expect to be competitive again next year.

0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:06.920
<v Speaker 2>I think in their minds that includes Kazumo Okamoto, and for.

0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:09.359
<v Speaker 1>The Mariners to have room for Okamoto at third base,

0:48:09.400 --> 0:48:12.279
<v Speaker 1>they would have to get rid of JP Crawford, and

0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Adam doesn't think that's gonna happen, so sure that would

0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:17.280
<v Speaker 1>that would make they'll make things tougher.

0:48:17.400 --> 0:48:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Again, the Ty France thing, in terms of vibes

0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:22.000
<v Speaker 2>is probably the closest thing you could get if the

0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Mariners somehow tried to trade back for him. I just

0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:26.360
<v Speaker 2>I just don't really see the Padres giving him up.

0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:28.920
<v Speaker 1>I think Ty France has good vibes. Was he have

0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:30.520
<v Speaker 1>good vibes if he comes back here.

0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:35.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Fans would be happy. The people in

0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:37.520
<v Speaker 2>the clubhouse would be happy. Tis loved in that clubhouse.

0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:40.920
<v Speaker 2>But Ty France isn't a He's a good player and

0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:42.920
<v Speaker 2>he's had a really nice year, but I don't know

0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:46.480
<v Speaker 2>if he's a true game changer. I think he is

0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:48.120
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a leader. I think he has a

0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:50.319
<v Speaker 2>voice in that clubhouse and had one when he was here.

0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:53.359
<v Speaker 1>And I guess it's a totally different coaching staff than

0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:55.479
<v Speaker 1>when Ty was here last time as well, But still

0:48:56.560 --> 0:48:59.239
<v Speaker 1>it's not it's not trading for Josh Naylor last year,

0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:00.359
<v Speaker 1>or trading for Gino.

0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:04.239
<v Speaker 2>No, not quite anyway, We'll see what happens in the

0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:06.279
<v Speaker 2>next few days. I will tell you what. We'll say

0:49:06.280 --> 0:49:10.920
<v Speaker 2>it again, Friday's podcast is gonna be very very interesting

0:49:11.040 --> 0:49:13.560
<v Speaker 2>one way or another because the Mariners will have either

0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:17.520
<v Speaker 2>shocked the world and defied everybody's expectations in this Dodger series,

0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:20.160
<v Speaker 2>or it's gonna go how I think most of us

0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:24.000
<v Speaker 2>think it's gonna go, and then wow, conversations get interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So buckle up for Friday. Buckle up for this Dodger series.

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<v Speaker 2>It should be really it should be really interesting one

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<v Speaker 2>way or another. With that, that'll just about wrap up

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