Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number four thirty five of the Marine
Speaker 1: Layer Podcast. We welcome on a recurring guest, our friend
Speaker 1: Adam Jude from the Seattle Times, to talk about what
Speaker 1: the Mariners will do at this upcoming trade deadline.
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Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling, and we welcome you to this
Speaker 1: episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just
Speaker 1: Baseball podcast network, recording here on Tuesday morning, July twenty eighth,
Speaker 1: before the Dodgers series has started. It's only one game
Speaker 1: has happened, lyle and we said, you know, the Mariners
Speaker 1: had a chance to split and maybe change the vibe
Speaker 1: of this week. They did not.
Speaker 2: Top one today.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, the Monday was pretty tough. That's an accurate
Speaker 1: way to describe it. And to be honest, do you
Speaker 1: guys really want to hear a reaction if the Mariners
Speaker 1: get their teeth kicked in and the first game of
Speaker 1: this Dodger series. No, I don't really.
Speaker 2: Think there's just not enough to break down after one
Speaker 2: Dodgers game. Come Friday, we're gonna have a full conversation
Speaker 2: about whatever happens in the Dodgers series and the overarching
Speaker 2: storylines and approaching the trade deadline. Even more so, there
Speaker 2: will be a lot more to talk about after this
Speaker 2: conclusion of the Dodgers series. But as we're sitting here
Speaker 2: now putting this episode for you guys out on Wednesday,
Speaker 2: it felt like a pretty good time to have Adam
Speaker 2: Judah because he's got a pulse on the team as
Speaker 2: well as anybody. He's on the road trip, he's in La,
Speaker 2: he's in the clubhouse, and he's a perfect person to
Speaker 2: talk trade deadline with. So we do all that with him.
Speaker 2: It's coming up here in a couple of minutes. But yeah,
Speaker 2: if you want a quick little recap of Monday's game
Speaker 2: against the Rangers, there ain't much talk about. It was
Speaker 2: pretty miserable.
Speaker 1: Well, George Kirby sucked, the offense sucked, and Dan Wilson
Speaker 1: said tough one when asked about the game, like check
Speaker 1: all the boxes, Like well, what else are we supposed
Speaker 1: to say? Again on Sunday, it's like, okay, Like we
Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen Monday. They could split and
Speaker 1: the vibe would be totally different. But the vibe was
Speaker 1: the exact same on Monday as it was when we
Speaker 1: taped on Sunday night. After the first three games, it
Speaker 1: just it wasn't there. They didn't play well, they'd lost
Speaker 1: three or four to the Rangers, and now they're heading
Speaker 1: to LA against the best team in baseball, the best
Speaker 1: offense in baseball, and it is very hard for Allall
Speaker 1: and I to see the Mariners winning this series. And
Speaker 1: by the way, Dodgers are stacking two lefties in the series.
Speaker 2: I was about to say a team is fun on
Speaker 2: fundamentally sound as the Dodgers. Well, of course they're helping
Speaker 2: play the matchups if the alignment works, and it did
Speaker 2: here because yeah, you're gonna get Eric Lauer and Justin
Speaker 2: Robleski the first two games, which Eric Lawer has been
Speaker 2: nothing special, but he's a lefty. Justin Robleski is an
Speaker 2: All Star also a lefty, so good luck. I like listen,
Speaker 2: It's like there's just no way around it with this
Speaker 2: Dodgers team, even when you look up and down and
Speaker 2: you say, oh, they're gonna miss Yamamoto and show he's
Speaker 2: not pitching right now, and glass now's on the IL
Speaker 2: and Blake Snells on the IL and you think maybe
Speaker 2: there's a soft spot. Oh no, you get an All
Speaker 2: Star lefty and then another lefty, so great, and then
Speaker 2: they'll get Roki Sasaki in the finale, which can go
Speaker 2: a variety of ways, but you know when he's on,
Speaker 2: he is really good.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately too, Luis Castillo and Emerson Hancock will be pitching
Speaker 1: in this series. The way it's starting to sound low
Speaker 1: when we talk about this with Adam Dude, is that
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the last Mariners start for one
Speaker 1: of those two.
Speaker 3: In LA.
Speaker 2: It sounded like it might be Emerson. I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: really sad. That's two deadlines in a row. They're gonna
Speaker 2: trade away Brandon Garcia last year and now potentially Emerson
Speaker 2: Hancock this year.
Speaker 4: Dude.
Speaker 2: They're out to get us every every Marine layer of
Speaker 2: pod guy they just trade, I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna be happy for him because he's gonna have an
Speaker 1: entrenched spot in someone else's rotation if they do trade him.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you that, like being at the park
Speaker 1: is so much better because of Emerson Hancock and like
Speaker 1: the energy he brings.
Speaker 2: If you've ever interacted.
Speaker 1: With him as a fan, like you would feel that too.
Speaker 1: But let's try not to like write his like a
Speaker 1: bit here obituary. Yet he's not been traded. It's not
Speaker 1: a guarantee he's gonna get traded, but he is amazing.
Speaker 1: So we will see whether or not this Dodger series
Speaker 1: is the last start for either of those two guys.
Speaker 1: Adam was making it sound like he feels pretty confident
Speaker 1: they're gonna trade one of these guys by next Monday.
Speaker 1: But regardless, we do talk a lot of things. We
Speaker 1: talk about, I mean, not only trade deadline. We have
Speaker 1: some perspective talk on the state of the Mariners with
Speaker 1: Adam as well. He was on that last road trip
Speaker 1: where the Mariners ended up firing Scott Service, and we
Speaker 1: dive into that a little bit that the comparisons of
Speaker 1: that road trip and this road trip and what the
Speaker 1: Mariners can do the rest of the season. So very
Speaker 1: insight with it with Adam as always.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Adam was on the first two legs of
Speaker 2: that twenty twenty four road trip. He was not in La.
Speaker 2: Last time it was Divish that was in LA. But
Speaker 2: Adam was in Detroit, and then he was in Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: and then Divish was in LA. So yeah, he got
Speaker 2: to see not the tail end of it and the
Speaker 2: finale of that road trip that was just the road
Speaker 2: trip from hell, but he saw a big majority of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we won't keep you guys any longer. Let's get
Speaker 1: you to that interview with Adam Jude.
Speaker 2: All right, We've got our friend Adam Jude on with
Speaker 2: us recurring guests. You know him as the Mariners beat
Speaker 2: writer for the Seattle Times. And we're taping this ahead
Speaker 2: of the Mariners Dodgers series. We've got a little less
Speaker 2: little week before the trade deadline starts. Adam, always great
Speaker 2: to have you on. How in the world would you
Speaker 2: describe the vibe at this road trip as you're sitting
Speaker 2: in LA.
Speaker 3: It's not great. That's a good way to start, man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're sitting here in LA on Tuesday morning before
Speaker 4: the Mariners have to head to the Daughter Stadium here
Speaker 4: coming off losing three or four to the division leading
Speaker 4: Texas Rangers. I don't think any of us expected that
Speaker 4: here at the end of July. And you look at
Speaker 4: the Rangers and the way they're doing it, this patchwork offense.
Speaker 4: Their stars are beat up, the pitching is kind of
Speaker 4: holding things together. They're figured out a way, and the
Speaker 4: manners are the exact opposite. They just haven't been able
Speaker 4: to figure out a way. They're obviously trying. They're saying
Speaker 4: all the right things.
Speaker 3: You hear Dan Wilson talk all the time about the
Speaker 3: belief and.
Speaker 4: The trust and the fight that they have, and they're
Speaker 4: trying to do it for each other, and it's just
Speaker 4: simply not working right now.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the answers are. They're searching for them.
Speaker 4: You know, we saw the dismissal of a very popular
Speaker 4: hitting coach last week, intended to rattle the cage I
Speaker 4: suppose for this hitting group. And you know, we saw
Speaker 4: spurts I suppose in Texas, but certainly nothing consistent, and
Speaker 4: the offense by and large just looked discombobulated, disconnected, uninspiring
Speaker 4: really and how long have we been saying that here
Speaker 4: about this team the past couple of months.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 4: It's going to be a really, really, really interesting week here,
Speaker 4: not only because they have to play the best team
Speaker 4: in baseball, but because the trade deadline we know, is
Speaker 4: right around the corner here. And you wonder, if the
Speaker 4: Mariners continue to nose dive here, just how desperate this
Speaker 4: front office is really feeling, and how much they really
Speaker 4: believe in this roster, and if they can really fulfill
Speaker 4: expectations and salvage this season down the stretch.
Speaker 3: Here, and if one or two big moves is relieving enough.
Speaker 1: We're talking before we were recording about you being on
Speaker 1: the last road trip that ended with the Mariners at
Speaker 1: Dodger Stadium back in twenty twenty four, which ended with
Speaker 1: Scott Servis losing his job. I don't think the same
Speaker 1: thing's gonna happen at the end of this road trip,
Speaker 1: but the vibes of both road trips are veryly, very similar.
Speaker 1: How would you compare the two, Yeah, it's hard not
Speaker 1: to draw parallels here.
Speaker 4: You know that road trip two years ago in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four started in Detroit against a Tigers team that
Speaker 4: at that time was just starting it. It's a scent
Speaker 4: if you remember, and they really started it against the
Speaker 4: Mariners with a bunch of comeback wins. If you remember,
Speaker 4: they played in Seattle first, and you know, Kyle got
Speaker 4: robbed of a home run there and just it was
Speaker 4: that stretch. I remember thinking about it that October in
Speaker 4: the playoffs when the Tigers were in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: They're a scent started just in the Mariners deceense.
Speaker 4: That started too, and it was because of the Tigers
Speaker 4: in a lot of ways that that started for the Mariners.
Speaker 3: And then the Mariners went to Pittsburgh. Wasn't great there.
Speaker 4: They had to face schemes the first night, I think
Speaker 4: lost two or three, and then came here to LA
Speaker 4: and got swept at Dodger Stadium and the next day
Speaker 4: was an off day on Thursday. And I would describe
Speaker 4: that as probably an all time low point for this franchise.
Speaker 3: Got Service getting fired and the way.
Speaker 4: That went down, and no one, I can promise you,
Speaker 4: no one in the organization wants to relive that. That said, again,
Speaker 4: it's similar vibes just around this team right now, just because.
Speaker 3: You know the expectations were so high.
Speaker 4: You know they expect way more of themselves, and it's
Speaker 4: just obviously just about everything has gone sideways lately. And
Speaker 4: again they're trying to figure it out both, you know,
Speaker 4: the coaches, the hitters, the front office, figuring out ways
Speaker 4: to to get this thing on track here.
Speaker 3: But you know, again, I agree with you TJ.
Speaker 4: I don't think we're gonna see something dramatic by the
Speaker 4: time we get back to Seattle on Friday. I think
Speaker 4: Dan Wilson's going to be given a chance to kind
Speaker 4: of write this ship, presumably through the sea. And again,
Speaker 4: as they keep saying, you know, there's still time, there's
Speaker 4: still time, there's still time. Brian Wu even said it
Speaker 4: the other day. I know we've been saying that a
Speaker 4: lot lately. We're running out of time. They all know it,
Speaker 4: they all recognize it. It's it is one of those
Speaker 4: things where sometimes they're trying too hard, and you know
Speaker 4: that's that's kind of becomes detrimental. But they are, they're
Speaker 4: running out of time to figure this out. And like
Speaker 4: I said, it's a big week because you know, at
Speaker 4: some point, you know, if you're continuing to roll up
Speaker 4: the same lineup, continue to try to do the same things,
Speaker 4: it's just not working. And I think everyone recognizes that,
Speaker 4: and maybe there is some sort of drastic move that
Speaker 4: they have to consider it here in the next week.
Speaker 2: All right, before we really start to get into a
Speaker 2: lot of the trade deadline stuff, which we obviously want
Speaker 2: to talk about, I'll ask you this, how do things
Speaker 2: go right against the Dodgers this week? How do the
Speaker 2: Mariners find a way to salvage or dare I even say,
Speaker 2: win two of three in LA?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, it probably wasn't an accident that the Dodgers
Speaker 4: lined up two lefty starters here to start the series.
Speaker 4: Robleski has been one of the biggest surprises in all
Speaker 4: baseball this year. Great story, young left hander made the
Speaker 4: All Star team, and then they got kind of the opposite,
Speaker 4: a soft toss name lefty veteran Eric Lauer to go
Speaker 4: on on Wednesday. I think the Dodgers know what they're doing,
Speaker 4: and I think they recognize the Mariner's weaknesses.
Speaker 3: So you got to start there.
Speaker 4: The Mariner's you know, right handed side of the lineup's
Speaker 4: got to figure it out. You know. I thought last
Speaker 4: week to close out the homestand with Julio, we saw
Speaker 4: some really good signs. You think of Elie d La
Speaker 4: Cruz robbing him of that ridiculously hard one hundred and
Speaker 4: ten mile prior one offer in the hole, and you know,
Speaker 4: he hit a home run. I think the next day
Speaker 4: I will say, and we've written about this, but Julio's
Speaker 4: not completely passed the concussion protocols stuff. Again, I think
Speaker 4: he's he's fine, but they've been really intentional and careful
Speaker 4: with his workload here in the past ten days or
Speaker 4: so since he's come off the concussion. I l but
Speaker 4: and again, you know, we it feels like we always
Speaker 4: circle back to Julio the last five years on these conversations,
Speaker 4: and on the one hand, that's not entirely fair.
Speaker 3: On the other hand, like he's your number two hitter.
Speaker 4: He's a right handed hitter against two lefties that you'd
Speaker 4: like to see him do some damage against. And obviously
Speaker 4: Randy's been really good all season, a Dom has been
Speaker 4: hitting lefties pretty well.
Speaker 3: The middle of the lineup's got to figure it out.
Speaker 4: Obviously, this year, Cal's the biggest story, biggest story maybe
Speaker 4: in all of baseball.
Speaker 3: What the heck has happened with Cal? But Josh Naylor
Speaker 3: is right there as well.
Speaker 4: It's been what six weeks since he's hit a home run,
Speaker 4: He's he's hit a ton of line drives, he's getting
Speaker 4: on base.
Speaker 3: He's he's getting his singles and doubles.
Speaker 4: But obviously, one of the biggest cures I think the
Speaker 4: marriage could have here in the second half is finding
Speaker 4: the second half Josh Naylor from last year too, that
Speaker 4: they got after the trade deadline. So yeah, they got
Speaker 4: to figure out those lefties. That's the simple answer against
Speaker 4: the Dodgers here. And then Roki Sasaki on on Thursday,
Speaker 4: who has been much much better of late, but has
Speaker 4: been a erratic at times in his career, so that
Speaker 4: one's kind of unpredictable. But Luis Castillo, Emerson, Hancock, these
Speaker 4: first two days kind of showcase games for those guys. Obviously,
Speaker 4: their names have come up a ton. I've reported it,
Speaker 4: everyone's reported it that. You know, obviously, the Marriers are
Speaker 4: more open than they've ever been into shopping from their
Speaker 4: starting rotation here because they do.
Speaker 3: Have such a surplus and it is their strength.
Speaker 4: But you know, obviously the background on both those guys
Speaker 4: is this their last outing with the Mariners, and it
Speaker 4: certainly very well could be.
Speaker 1: You asked George Kirby about this yesterday after his start,
Speaker 1: and he said he wasn't hearing the outside noise. But
Speaker 1: you're looking at the body language of a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys and talking with them, whether on the record
Speaker 1: or not. Do you think they are hearing some of
Speaker 1: the noise around them.
Speaker 4: It feels like it'd be pretty impossible not to hear
Speaker 4: some of it. In George's case, he might be able
Speaker 4: to block it all out because he's a guy who's
Speaker 4: pretty pretty focused.
Speaker 3: And I know, you know, he says he's not on Twitter.
Speaker 3: I don't he's not on Twitter.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he has Instagram or if he does,
Speaker 4: if he's even really active. But you know, a lot
Speaker 4: of times of stuff, it's not you know, you seeing
Speaker 4: it scrolling it through social media or whatever. It's your
Speaker 4: agent checking in with you, or friends or family, like, hey,
Speaker 4: you see this, how you're doing?
Speaker 3: Who knows?
Speaker 4: I don't want to speculate specifically in George's case, but yeah,
Speaker 4: with Louise and Emerson, Louise has been through this before.
Speaker 4: The guy's been traded twenty seven times over the last
Speaker 4: decade or whatever. Emerson really going through it for the
Speaker 4: first time. So I am curious to see on Wednesday,
Speaker 4: how how he looks, how he handles it. Again, some
Speaker 4: guys are able to just brush it off and it's
Speaker 4: not a big deal. Other guys, you know, it's only
Speaker 4: natural you internalize a little bit if you're trying to
Speaker 4: block it out the best you can, but you can't
Speaker 4: help but let it creep in a little bit. So
Speaker 4: I'll be curious to see how Emerson Hancock responds here
Speaker 4: this week. But yeah, you can again when the team
Speaker 4: was underperforming. I remember talking to Paul Seawall about this
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty three, a week before the trade deadline,
Speaker 4: and Paul was always a really honest and sincere guy,
Speaker 4: and he was just like, we have to pick it
Speaker 4: up or there's going to be some really uncomfortable conversations
Speaker 4: here in the next couple of weeks, and he knew
Speaker 4: his name was going to be at the forefront, and
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 3: You know, they were in a similar spot.
Speaker 4: In some ways that year where the Mariners you wondered
Speaker 4: if they would be better off buying.
Speaker 3: And sailing selling trying to straddle there.
Speaker 4: But obviously the context was much different than because the
Speaker 4: Astros are still fully in charge of the division.
Speaker 3: And right now as bad as the Mariners have played.
Speaker 4: There's only what two and a half out in the
Speaker 4: al West, and they're in certainly in full go go
Speaker 4: for it mode, which frankly they should be at this point.
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Speaker 2: So let me parlay what you just talked about and
Speaker 2: segue that into a little bit of trade deadline talk here.
Speaker 2: So as we're sitting here recording this Tuesday morning, it
Speaker 2: was about a half hour ago, and Jeff Passen reported
Speaker 2: the following, which was Emerson Hancock is expected to be
Speaker 2: traded before the deadline. And maybe that lines up with
Speaker 2: what you guys are hearing too in your own world.
Speaker 2: But maybe partly that is maybe partly that's self explanatory.
Speaker 2: But I'll ask you, in your opinion, a week from now,
Speaker 2: what do you put the odds out that one of
Speaker 2: these starters is gone.
Speaker 4: Definitely greater than fifty percent, probably closer to seventy five.
Speaker 4: I mean, they have to address the offense somehow, someway,
Speaker 4: and I think it's fair to ask if this roster,
Speaker 4: as it's currently constructed and as it's currently playing, is
Speaker 4: worth investing a top prospecting if it's worth giving up
Speaker 4: a top prospect part of your future for a short
Speaker 4: term band aid fix, I would lean no, and my
Speaker 4: senses the front office right now would would.
Speaker 3: Lean no to that question as well.
Speaker 4: So what that leave you, well, you know, we saw
Speaker 4: a similar trade with the Red Sox and Nationals earlier
Speaker 4: this week. The Red Sox traded one of their young
Speaker 4: pitchers early for proven right handed veteran bat and Curtis
Speaker 4: Meade's having a breakout year. I think that's pretty instructive
Speaker 4: trade for what the Mariners are probably looking to do
Speaker 4: and realistically what they can do.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, I think Marion fans might be a little disappointed
Speaker 4: in the return, you know, the Manners end up getting
Speaker 4: for Emerson Hancock. He's been awesome for them this year, Ben,
Speaker 4: I think we can all agree one of their top
Speaker 4: three starters, most consistent, maybe top two at times. Certainly
Speaker 4: it's been an awesome story, awesome dude, awesome breakthrough year.
Speaker 3: But if you're the Mariners, you know, trading Luis.
Speaker 4: Castillo with thirty million dollars owed over the next year plus,
Speaker 4: it's a hard contract to move even with as well
Speaker 4: as he's been pitching of late. Emerson Hancock obviously, you know,
Speaker 4: with his contract situation, he's under club control through twenty thirty,
Speaker 4: much everyone can afford him, and so that's much much
Speaker 4: easier to move, much more attractive for other teams. The
Speaker 4: question is what can you get back? And again, you
Speaker 4: know I threw it out there the other day. I
Speaker 4: know the Mariners were intrigued by Spencer Steer. The Reds
Speaker 4: were obviously in town last week. That sort of deal
Speaker 4: made sense to me. Emerson Hancock for Spencer Steer. That's
Speaker 4: not going to happen now Spencer sears on the injury list.
Speaker 4: You know, Casey Schmidt with the with San Francisco, his
Speaker 4: name has been out there a toon obviously, another right
Speaker 4: handed bat third base, could play some left field, another
Speaker 4: guy having a breakout year. To me, he's kind of
Speaker 4: the parallel the hitting version of Emerson Hancock, where kind
Speaker 4: of struggled for two three years trying to get settled
Speaker 4: in the majors and finally he's having a breakout year
Speaker 4: this year. That made some sense that could still happen,
Speaker 4: but now he's banged up. Casey Schmid is now banged
Speaker 4: up as well, so I don't know exactly where that
Speaker 4: leaves them, but yeah, again, I wrote a does yesterday,
Speaker 4: but it does increasingly feel like one of those two,
Speaker 4: Luis Castile or Emerson Hancock is kind to get traded
Speaker 4: and the Mariners will get more, no doubt for Emerson Hancock.
Speaker 4: So that's why we kind of keep circling back to
Speaker 4: that name, and why the Mariners do too, because the
Speaker 4: market is telling them that they're gonna get a lot
Speaker 4: more and more teams are interested in Emson Emerson Hancock.
Speaker 1: Why would the Mariners prioritize trading Emerson over trading George Kirby.
Speaker 4: Good question, but remember George Kirby was their hand picked
Speaker 4: starter for Game seven, the first Game seven in franchise history,
Speaker 4: last year in Toronto. He's a guy who was their
Speaker 4: first round pick. And Emerson Hancock was too, obviously, But
Speaker 4: you know, when you look at the Mariners priorities, their mantra,
Speaker 4: their entire pitching philosophy, it's throws strikes. No one in
Speaker 4: the history of baseball is done that better than George Kirby.
Speaker 4: And again we're talking, you know, less than twenty four
Speaker 4: hours after one of George's worst starts of his career.
Speaker 4: So I get that that's important context, and there's an
Speaker 4: emotional reaction from the fan base right now, not only
Speaker 4: to George but the way everything's going with the offense
Speaker 4: and the direction in general of this team. But I
Speaker 4: think if you pulled every front office in baseball, they'd
Speaker 4: probably all tell you George is the more talented, more established,
Speaker 4: clearly and more proven clearly starter between those two guys,
Speaker 4: And so Maryor's still having for two more years. I
Speaker 4: think there's a general sense, you know, in the industry,
Speaker 4: that George will test free agency when he gets there
Speaker 4: in a couple of years.
Speaker 3: He's an East Coast guy. I think there's an assumption
Speaker 3: that he'd prefer to.
Speaker 4: Get back East. I don't know that that's true. I
Speaker 4: don't think he's ever verbalized that, but that's been an
Speaker 4: assumption out there for a while. Will he resign with
Speaker 4: the Mariners, who knows. But again, I can see the
Speaker 4: logic behind some of the speculation the last couple of
Speaker 4: weeks and why George's name has been out there. But
Speaker 4: I've asked around specifically and ke the answer I keep
Speaker 4: getting industry wide, It's like, no, the Marriers are not
Speaker 4: shopping George Kirby. They made it clear they do not
Speaker 4: want to move George Kirby. Now, can that change in
Speaker 4: the next five six days?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 4: I think with this roster, this team, you can't necessarily
Speaker 4: rule out anything. But at this point I would be
Speaker 4: shocked if the Marriers were willing to move any of
Speaker 4: those top four guys.
Speaker 2: Interesting, I guess, yeah, And I think to TJ's point,
Speaker 2: I don't even think it really just stems not from us,
Speaker 2: but you know, from to the general fan base, it's
Speaker 2: not even just stemming from the start on Monday. I
Speaker 2: think it's people weigh the four and a half years
Speaker 2: of Hancock versus the two and a half years of Kirby,
Speaker 2: and they say, to your point, you know, Kirby's gonna
Speaker 2: walk in free agency and you have more time with Hancock,
Speaker 2: Like what's the difference in value and what's the difference
Speaker 2: in return on the trade market that you could get? Like,
Speaker 2: is there more value for Kirby? But clearly it doesn't
Speaker 2: seem like the Mariners are gonna yeah again.
Speaker 4: Like Mariers have viewed him as a top of the
Speaker 4: rotation cyum type talent for a long time. Now, this
Speaker 4: would mark you know, a low, maybe the low point
Speaker 4: in his career, one of.
Speaker 3: Them Ni Keiths.
Speaker 4: You know, he kind of peaked, I suppose a couple
Speaker 4: of years ago and All Star in twenty three, but
Speaker 4: it just feels like it'd be a little bit of
Speaker 4: a cell low, and I just don't know that that
Speaker 4: makes sense for.
Speaker 3: The Mariners right now.
Speaker 2: So if we look at bats, they could add because
Speaker 2: obviously that's something that the team desperately needs, specifically from
Speaker 2: the right handed side of the plate. If things don't
Speaker 2: go well in LA this week, does that change their
Speaker 2: course at all with the trade deadline? I mean, does
Speaker 2: that change their mantra with how much they're willing to buy.
Speaker 3: It? Certainly could. All I know is they've been telling
Speaker 3: teams and that they're all in.
Speaker 4: And this is again I think, as we said, everyone
Speaker 4: recognizes the American League as it is as winnable as
Speaker 4: it's probably ever been.
Speaker 3: And when you're the Mariners, you came into the year
Speaker 3: with what.
Speaker 4: They thought was the most talented roster they've had during
Speaker 4: this era over the last decade, and maybe one of
Speaker 4: the maybe the most sounds that I'm sure I wrote
Speaker 4: this in screen training when I was as bullish as
Speaker 4: anyone on the Mariners, but you know, it felt like
Speaker 4: the most talented roster they'd have as a franchise since
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one. And concerning the youth and some of
Speaker 4: the guys who looked like they were ascending a ton
Speaker 4: of guys in their prime. You look at how many
Speaker 4: of these guys are even over thirty, right, these guys
Speaker 4: are in their prime. And you know, for so many
Speaker 4: of these guys to have maybe you know, the worst
Speaker 4: seasons of their career or or if not the worst,
Speaker 4: at least to drop off as much as they have,
Speaker 4: I mean, you can't predict those sorts of things, and
Speaker 4: all the projection systems and all that whatever you want
Speaker 4: to look at. This was a bottom ten percentile outcome
Speaker 4: I think for this team had to have been. So
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know what the future short
Speaker 4: term future volts for them, but I do know, you know,
Speaker 4: we talked to Jerry Depoto, you know, in the out
Speaker 4: in Texas, Shannon Dreyer, Daniel Kramer, and myself, and he's
Speaker 4: clearly not happy. He's upset. That was why you know,
Speaker 4: Bobby Maggie Honess was dismissed. It was intended as a
Speaker 4: way to fire up, you know, that offensive group. Jerry
Speaker 4: even acknowledged I wrote this, you know, he wasn't sure
Speaker 4: it was the exact right move, but they didn't want
Speaker 4: to do something so drastic that you know, they kind
Speaker 4: of lost their philosophical way right now.
Speaker 3: But it was something to try a lot of fire
Speaker 3: under these guys a little.
Speaker 4: Bit, because nothing in the past six weeks or so
Speaker 4: it seemed to be working.
Speaker 3: And again that's explaining Jerry's side of things.
Speaker 4: You can agree with it or disagree with it or not,
Speaker 4: but I do think Jerry sounded a bit like a
Speaker 4: lot of the fans I hear on social media and
Speaker 4: in my inbox every day, where like, the same thing
Speaker 4: seems to be happening just about every night, every night,
Speaker 4: every night, and someone needed to try to shake things.
Speaker 3: Up a little bit.
Speaker 4: And obviously Jerry's you know, into the spotlight, under the
Speaker 4: fire from the fan base too, and rightfully so when
Speaker 4: the team is underperforming, everyone is, and in his words,
Speaker 4: there are consequences when you know you're underperforming like this,
Speaker 4: And so again, as I said at the top, you know,
Speaker 4: does that mean something draftic is gonna happen in the
Speaker 4: next five six days.
Speaker 3: Maybe.
Speaker 4: I again, I just don't know if it's wise for
Speaker 4: this team to trade one of your top prospects. They're
Speaker 4: not gonna trade Katee Anderson or Ryan Sloan. Would they
Speaker 4: consider Michael Royal or Las Montes or Johnny Farmelo or
Speaker 4: Feline Celestin. I mean, maybe you package one of those
Speaker 4: guys with Emerson Hancock. You feel like you'd get a
Speaker 4: pretty pretty darn big return, pretty good bat. But again,
Speaker 4: what bat is out there that would require you to
Speaker 4: give up? You know, two pieces like that in a
Speaker 4: in a major sort of blockbuster type deal. You would
Speaker 4: have done that for Randy Roseraino two years ago, and
Speaker 4: the Mariners did that two years ago. They brought in
Speaker 4: Josh Naylor and Gino Suarez. They're not a that's ready
Speaker 4: to go take the big swing for the biggest hitters
Speaker 4: out there. They've proven a year after year. It's just
Speaker 4: I don't know who those guys are that the marriage
Speaker 4: would want or be willing to take that big swing.
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Speaker 1: Marine Layer. If Spencer Steers hurt and Casey Schmidt is hurt,
Speaker 1: and who else the Mariners and Orioles don't line up
Speaker 1: to make a trade as you've talked about in the past,
Speaker 1: and the idea of c Suzuki is foreign to the
Speaker 1: Cubs since they're well into a playoff spot. Who do
Speaker 1: the Mariners trade for? Are there are there any other
Speaker 1: ideas out there that just haven't been talked about a bunch.
Speaker 4: I would love to hear your guys the ideas at
Speaker 4: this point. I've been looking around again. Sometimes it feels
Speaker 4: like a fool's errand right, You're like, I'm just I'm
Speaker 4: not hearing any other names, and so you know there's
Speaker 4: an echo chamber a risk at some point too, right,
Speaker 4: if you're looking around and you know, I, if I
Speaker 4: were to throw it in or on Twitter or something,
Speaker 4: and it's I don't make it clear enough that it's
Speaker 4: my idea or speculative on my end, it comes across
Speaker 4: as reporting. And so I try to be really careful
Speaker 4: with that stuff because I'm I don't want to throw
Speaker 4: in a name just speculating when and then if somebody
Speaker 4: else picks it up and it's like it turns into
Speaker 4: her I'm reporting it or whatever too. So I always
Speaker 4: try to straddle that line as carefully as I can,
Speaker 4: not always successfully, but yeah, I don't again, like, is
Speaker 4: there a you know, Luise Robert Jr. Right, there's a
Speaker 4: report that the Mets are desperate to get rid of
Speaker 4: him with them. Would he be an upgrade in right
Speaker 4: field for the managers? You're just coming obviously as a
Speaker 4: platoon piece, like as that worthwhile risk with his contract
Speaker 4: and again you throw out, you know, with with the
Speaker 4: Mets take on Louis Castillo's contract for Louise Robert. I'm
Speaker 4: sure people have gone down that rabbit hole. And sure,
Speaker 4: on paper, in theory it makes it looks it looks
Speaker 4: good for both sides in some ways. But you also
Speaker 4: have to consider the fact that for a team like
Speaker 4: the Mets, for these teams that are over the luxury
Speaker 4: tax already, you're taking on not only the money owed
Speaker 4: to Luis Castio, but it's basically doubled because of the
Speaker 4: luxury tax too. So do they want Louis Castillo for
Speaker 4: sixty million dollars, let's say, for the next year and
Speaker 4: a half.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know that anyone wants that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, maybe maybe there's there's something there where it's
Speaker 4: a very low risk. Mariners don't have to give up much.
Speaker 4: You're just taking on Louise Robert Junior's money. But again,
Speaker 4: I is he really an upgrade? Is he better than
Speaker 4: just bringing up Michael Royal? Right now? You know again,
Speaker 4: I'd love to hear your guys, because just who else
Speaker 4: is even out there right handed or even left handed
Speaker 4: to shoot? Just go out and get Louise Rise, make
Speaker 4: him the everyday DH. I don't think he loved that,
Speaker 4: but is that a possibility. I think the Marigs are
Speaker 4: probably looking at every auction right now, but obviously preferred
Speaker 4: and really need someone from the right side.
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say, this is our specialty, so
Speaker 2: you want to pass this on to us. I mean,
Speaker 2: we are ideas men to the one hundredth percentile when
Speaker 2: talking about players to add to the roster, one of them.
Speaker 2: Funny enough, you brought him up on your own. I
Speaker 2: was gonna say, it puts a knot in my stomach
Speaker 2: to even throw it out there. But I was gonna say,
Speaker 2: Luise Robert just on the idea of availability and potential
Speaker 2: contract swaps and the idea that if you get him right,
Speaker 2: that he could be somewhat of a spark plug for
Speaker 2: the offense. The problem is, I mean, I'm just sitting
Speaker 2: here pulling up his numbers as we're talking. He has
Speaker 2: not had a WRC plus above one hundred since twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three. And that's paired with the strikeouts and the
Speaker 2: injuries and the money he's o. I don't know that one.
Speaker 2: That one doesn't feel like it's like a match made
Speaker 2: in Heaven?
Speaker 1: Right, How about this idea, guys? I mean, I know
Speaker 1: the Blue Jays are terrible and it's a bummers contracts
Speaker 1: a little bit longer because you just signed this offseason.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, if Kazuma Okamota was on like
Speaker 1: a three year contract, could you convince the Blue Jays
Speaker 1: to Swapis Castillo for Okamoto. It's not like Okamoto's like
Speaker 1: on the upswing. He's already thirty, so it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: he's making seventeen million dollars at thirty one, thirty two,
Speaker 1: and thirty three. Can we swap like you're gonna have?
Speaker 1: You might trade, You might trade Kevin Gosman away, but
Speaker 1: you can then receive Louis Castile back to fill his
Speaker 1: spot in the rotation. Like, doesn't sound like the worst idea,
Speaker 1: And you could send them a prospect too to help
Speaker 1: sort of balance that out Okamoto does play third base, Like,
Speaker 1: that's just an idea. The other thing Loud I've been
Speaker 1: talking about Adam is like, are the Mariners willing to
Speaker 1: like move a position player that's currently on their roster
Speaker 1: to clear some space for a trade candidate, someone who
Speaker 1: like better fits what they want? For example, in this scenario,
Speaker 1: do you move JP Crawford so you open up third
Speaker 1: base for someone to potentially come in in play?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I have a hard time to seeing that in reality, right.
Speaker 4: But again, as I citer earlier, I don't think you
Speaker 4: can necessarily out anything either. Sure, if you're really trying
Speaker 4: to shake things up, really trying to rattle in cages,
Speaker 4: really trying to piss people off, that'd be one way
Speaker 4: to do it. Again, I just I don't entirely see it.
Speaker 4: But everything, for the most part, everything has to be
Speaker 4: on the table right now.
Speaker 3: Okamoto.
Speaker 4: Obviously, the Mariors did their homework in the off season.
Speaker 4: You know, they weren't willing to meet that price tag.
Speaker 4: And I don't think I wasn't told this specifically, but
Speaker 4: my sense was, you know, they didn't think he could
Speaker 4: play third base every day and might not have been
Speaker 4: a great fit at Tea Mobile Park. But and again,
Speaker 4: he's hit some home runs, I know, and I think
Speaker 4: he's been about what the Blue Jays hoped he would be.
Speaker 3: But I don't think he's been a world beater either.
Speaker 4: Obviously he could help the Americ Nursey, yes, but I
Speaker 4: don't know if that's a perfect fit either.
Speaker 3: And I don't know that they want to take on
Speaker 3: you know, that kind of contract either.
Speaker 4: Again, I think they're willing to to to raise the
Speaker 4: payroll a little bit, it's my sense, just like they
Speaker 4: have for the last handful of years when they've been competitive,
Speaker 4: But I don't know if they're really willing to shoot
Speaker 4: through the roof either.
Speaker 1: And another guy who would make sense is Zach Netto.
Speaker 1: But the problem is he plays for the Angels. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that ain't like you can just take that off the
Speaker 1: table right away.
Speaker 2: No, that's not, especially because the Angels need starting pitching.
Speaker 2: Like in theory, it it lines up. But yeah, when
Speaker 2: when you're the Mariners and you've made a trade with
Speaker 2: every team in Major League Baseball in the last ten
Speaker 2: years except that one, something tells me it's not happening.
Speaker 3: You know it does, doesn't it feel like things are
Speaker 3: changing though. With the Angels.
Speaker 4: Obviously they you know he's in there now, but so
Speaker 4: they're gonna do something, right, they But I guess we've
Speaker 4: been taking that for ten years. They've gotta gotta do something.
Speaker 4: But it does feel like but now I have a
Speaker 4: hard time seeing, uh, seeing that matchup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they changed their front office, but the guy that
Speaker 2: sits at the top of that org is still the same.
Speaker 2: So something tells me that may not be happening. The
Speaker 2: one other one I'll throw out there if you want
Speaker 2: to try to parallel a Gino move at this deadline,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure this would fire up just about every
Speaker 2: fan you could imagine, even though I don't know if
Speaker 2: it logistically makes sense. Is well, do you just bring
Speaker 2: back ty France? The problem with that is I don't
Speaker 2: know where he plays, and I don't know if the
Speaker 2: Padres are really gonna sell at this point or not.
Speaker 2: I mean, they've won a few in a row now,
Speaker 2: so I'll throw the name out there if we're just
Speaker 2: throwing names out there, But I don't know if that
Speaker 2: one really helped, Like, I don't know if that one
Speaker 2: really happens.
Speaker 4: TI's been awesome this year, Yeah, it's been really cool
Speaker 4: to see for him when the gold Glove last year
Speaker 4: and then getting a regular chance finally again this year
Speaker 4: and taking advantage of it. It's been one of the Potters'
Speaker 4: best hitters all the year. And yeah, he looks pretty
Speaker 4: darn good in the Mariners ligne up right now. But yeah,
Speaker 4: to your point highlight, where would he play again?
Speaker 3: D H or whatever? But I just don't think.
Speaker 4: I mean, aj Fereller is the most unpredictable executive in baseball.
Speaker 3: He's gonna do something wild in the next week, I'm sure.
Speaker 4: But folks I've talked to don't expect him to try
Speaker 4: Mason Miller unless it's just an absolute windfall.
Speaker 3: And yeah, they're riding it now too.
Speaker 4: Again, Like it's it's much better to be the third
Speaker 4: wild card than he's sitting at home in October, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Like even if you know whatever, they have to go
Speaker 4: to Atlanta for that first series or whatever the case
Speaker 4: may be, Like you've at least got a lottery ticket
Speaker 4: you're in.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the.
Speaker 4: Padres in a lot of ways, do feel like they
Speaker 4: kind of control this this market. They again, just like
Speaker 4: the Marriors have done with relievers in the past, Paul SEAWALLD.
Speaker 4: You know, they could trade one of their other relievers.
Speaker 4: Adrian Marahone is one of the best, if not the best,
Speaker 4: lefty relievers in in baseball. The Mariners would prefer a
Speaker 4: right handed reliever, I'm sure, but if that guy's available,
Speaker 4: you know, at a reasonable cost, he's a he's a rental,
Speaker 4: which is something the Mirrors have historically, you know, shot
Speaker 4: away from. But that guy with a pretty darn good
Speaker 4: in the marriage well and a lot of guys would
Speaker 4: And so that's another one we haven't really talked about
Speaker 4: because it's less of a priority. But you know, with
Speaker 4: the uncertainly around Matt Brash, you know, sounds like he's
Speaker 4: probably more of a September return at this point. But
Speaker 4: been on the Angel list twice already, I'm not sure
Speaker 4: how much you can entirely count on a fully healthy
Speaker 4: Matt Brash unfortunately. So yeah, they want to go and
Speaker 4: give you another reliever to a guy throughout there a
Speaker 4: few weeks ago that maybe looks like more real, really
Speaker 4: realistic option is Jonathan Bender with the Marlins, who's been
Speaker 4: really good, underrated, you know, late bloomer type, had some injuries,
Speaker 4: but really good numbers and a guy feels like the
Speaker 4: Mariners could do some good things with So again, I
Speaker 4: don't know if it's gonna be the splashy move. I
Speaker 4: really don't see Mason Miller coming to Seattle, but they're
Speaker 4: gonna they're gonna add somebody there that that they assume
Speaker 4: that they hope can help. So it gets the secondary
Speaker 4: priority to to right handed back. But I think the
Speaker 4: marriage are hoping to do what they've done in the
Speaker 4: past and add one of each.
Speaker 1: Is there any remaining chance the Mariners pay at King
Speaker 1: King's ransom for Trek Schooble.
Speaker 3: No, okay, ask, I'm trying to see a scenario no, like.
Speaker 1: The one we've always thrown out there at him is
Speaker 1: that you essentially have to swap starters. You take an
Speaker 1: l on paper, but you give yourself a better chance
Speaker 1: this postseason.
Speaker 4: Get you get a Game seven starter who doesn't want
Speaker 4: right That's why there's still rumblings that the Dodgers might
Speaker 4: swoop in at the last second, drop the hammer and
Speaker 4: bring Terrek's School in because they can't a they have
Speaker 4: the rotation depth to trade from it from the major
Speaker 4: league level, but they are a ridiculously good farm system too,
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's just not fair these Dodgers.
Speaker 2: What are we doing it well? And it's funny and
Speaker 2: they and you sit there right now looking at them,
Speaker 2: and while you expect to get all their A level
Speaker 2: starters back healthy at some point. I mean, Blake Snell
Speaker 2: hasn't made many arts, Glass now has made many stars,
Speaker 2: show has now banged up in terms of on the mound.
Speaker 2: He's still gonna hit. But like, you know, if you're
Speaker 2: the Dodgers looking at this market, you could be saying
Speaker 2: to yourself, yeah, like we could use another starter.
Speaker 3: Right, And I'm sure they're in those conversations, what's it
Speaker 3: gonna take? What do you want?
Speaker 4: And again maybe the last second they swoop in and
Speaker 4: do something dramatic. They don't really need him obviously, and
Speaker 4: again I just don't you know. It's been a tough
Speaker 4: turn through the rotation for the Mariners. But as we've
Speaker 4: talked about, you know, the Mariners believe in their process,
Speaker 4: they believe in what they've done, certainly on the pitching
Speaker 4: side more than the hitting. But they feel like they're
Speaker 4: set up for the long term here. And just because
Speaker 4: they've played poorly for six weeks or two months here, yes,
Speaker 4: really largely the whole season, but particularly here in the
Speaker 4: last six weeks to two months. I don't know that
Speaker 4: they want to completely break away from their big, big plans,
Speaker 4: their larger vision, which is basically.
Speaker 3: What it would required to bring into school.
Speaker 4: I just I just don't have and I was one
Speaker 4: of the first to advocate for it, because you know why,
Speaker 4: this is your window. It's wide open, you know, drop
Speaker 4: the hammer and bringing that guy that puts you over
Speaker 4: the top.
Speaker 3: But for multiple reasons.
Speaker 4: You know the prospect capital you have to get up,
Speaker 4: get up, and just knowing you only have them for
Speaker 4: at most ten starts, right, I just don't.
Speaker 3: I just don't see it.
Speaker 1: Last thing from me, Adam. Regardless of how the Mariners
Speaker 1: approach this deadline, this August is brutal. They It's as
Speaker 1: hard as I think I've ever seen an August for them,
Speaker 1: and the way they're currently playing, I have a hard
Speaker 1: time seeing them not being more games below five hundred
Speaker 1: than they are right now unless something changes. What does
Speaker 1: happen if they end August and they're like seven to
Speaker 1: ten games below five hundred. Get with the window they're
Speaker 1: in and the expectation that they have that they're supposed
Speaker 1: to make the World Series this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I don't know, but I do know there'll
Speaker 4: be a lot of uncomfortab questions like that, a lot
Speaker 4: of uncomfortable conversations, and certainly not a place that marriers
Speaker 4: want to be a month from now. But you're right,
Speaker 4: August is pretty brutal stretch. Have another ten game trip
Speaker 4: east coast or it's really all over the country, right, it's.
Speaker 3: Is it New York, Houston? Then Milwaukee's at the order?
Speaker 2: That sounds right, Yeah, that sounds right because they get,
Speaker 2: you know, after the Dodgers, they get the Twins and
Speaker 2: the I guess the Tigers, which is a little bit
Speaker 2: of a soft spot. But the Tigers are played a
Speaker 2: little better as of late.
Speaker 1: But then yeah, Twins are ahead of them in the schedule,
Speaker 1: on the in the standings.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so there's that. But then you get yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I think you got it right. I think
Speaker 2: it's Houston, New York, Milwaukee.
Speaker 4: You're not going all across the country in ten days.
Speaker 4: I don't even know if there's a I don't have
Speaker 4: it right in front of me. I don't even know
Speaker 4: if there's a day off.
Speaker 2: And got to be but then you get then you
Speaker 2: get the Cubs and the Phillies at home, and then
Speaker 2: you go to Boston. It's everywhere. It's everywhere.
Speaker 4: So but then I guess the flip side. September on
Speaker 4: paper looks like, you know, that's where they're going to
Speaker 4: make their push and again, get through this next month.
Speaker 4: It's fair to ask how, but try to get through
Speaker 4: this next.
Speaker 3: Month hovering around five hundred, and then.
Speaker 4: You hope you can make a push in September and
Speaker 4: the division is still really bad and you can win
Speaker 4: the division with eighty two wins.
Speaker 3: I'm being a little sarcastic there, but you know, eighty
Speaker 3: five might get it done.
Speaker 4: I don't, yeah, I at the way everyone's playing right now,
Speaker 4: but you know they've made it a three team weight
Speaker 4: raised when it didn't need to be. And that's just
Speaker 4: a position they've put themselves in. And that's why there's
Speaker 4: a you know, they can't frustration. That's the word everyone
Speaker 4: falls back on, but it's it's more than that. There's anger,
Speaker 4: there's disappointment, all the emotions, and they know they need
Speaker 4: to figure it out and they picked a brutal time
Speaker 4: to try to do it because they're here in La
Speaker 4: going to Dodger Stadium, and then, as you said, TJ,
Speaker 4: with the schedule in front of them, it's very much
Speaker 4: survival mode.
Speaker 3: Right now for these guys.
Speaker 2: I think we hit just about it.
Speaker 4: Name.
Speaker 2: We talked about the names on the trade market that
Speaker 2: we could throw out there, and I think we hit
Speaker 2: a lot of them, which isn't that many because it's
Speaker 2: just not a robust market. But I guess we'll see
Speaker 2: what they do in the next handful of days to
Speaker 2: week in terms of play on the field and acquisitions
Speaker 2: on the trade market, because it's gonna be a very
Speaker 2: very interesting final five days or so lead or yeah,
Speaker 2: leading up to this trade deadline, so people should buckle up.
Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be a lot of hills and
Speaker 2: valleys over the next few days in terms of emotions,
Speaker 2: and you know, we'll just see how it all plays out,
Speaker 2: especially after this week in La. Adam, you're the best.
Speaker 2: We always love having you on. Thanks so much for
Speaker 2: helping us break all this down and we'll talk soon.
Speaker 3: Good stuff, guys, Thanks for having me. Always enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Adam is always for hopping on. If
Speaker 2: we have any takeaways from that, I don't think there's
Speaker 2: any that are groundbreaking, but just sounds like Adam's similar
Speaker 2: to us, doesn't think this is a very strong trade
Speaker 2: market for buyers.
Speaker 1: Even the people as tapped in as Adam Jude are
Speaker 1: still wondering who is actually available on this deadline, and
Speaker 1: the only people that know are the thirty people that
Speaker 1: run these franchises and run the Baseball operations department. Oly
Speaker 1: Jerry's got a good idea of what's available and what's
Speaker 1: in front of him, because I mean the rest of
Speaker 1: us we don't really know. I think my main takeaway
Speaker 1: at this and we're talking with Adam about this a
Speaker 1: little bit before recording, the vibe of the Mariners needs
Speaker 1: to change. Last year, the vibe of the Mariners could
Speaker 1: change number one because they had a sixty home run
Speaker 1: catcher and number two because they were able to bring
Speaker 1: in two great vibes guys for what they needed last
Speaker 1: year in Aohenios Warz and Josh Naylor. They don't have
Speaker 1: any vibes, let alone production, just vibes and clubhouse presents
Speaker 1: to bring into this team like they had last year.
Speaker 1: So we keep saying it like if things are gonna
Speaker 1: shift with this team, it's gonna have to come from within.
Speaker 1: I just don't know where that's gonna come from.
Speaker 2: Well, it's gonna have to come from cal Julio and Naylor,
Speaker 2: Like they're supposed to hit but they're not doing it
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, again, it's gonna have to
Speaker 1: be like the presence in the clubhouse to like change
Speaker 1: the mindset of everybody because it's not good right now.
Speaker 1: There's no way it's good. The change is gonna have
Speaker 1: to come from within. The problem is it's really hard
Speaker 1: to just change from within without really changing anything. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's why Jerry fired Bobby magianis he said to show
Speaker 1: people like, hey, you got to wake up, like you
Speaker 1: have to make a change. But if nothing can actually
Speaker 1: change with the team, then how much really will change?
Speaker 2: Probably not all that much again unless players really start hitting.
Speaker 2: But I would say those were the main takeaways other
Speaker 2: than yeah, not a ton of bats available.
Speaker 1: Then Adam doesn't think there's gonna be another move made
Speaker 1: the rest of the season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now that doesn't mean there's not a move made
Speaker 2: after the season, but maybe not in the season. If
Speaker 2: the Mariners missed the like if the Mariners missed the playoffs,
Speaker 2: man with this season with these expectations. I don't know
Speaker 2: how there's not changes made, but it just maybe on
Speaker 2: October first rather than August tenth, right.
Speaker 1: So we'll see nothing. Nothing is for sure, well except
Speaker 1: besides the fact that Adam said, well over fifty percent
Speaker 1: chance Mariner's starting pitcher is traded at this deadline. So
Speaker 1: within the next week one of the six guys in
Speaker 1: this rotation will not be there, and it is unfortunately
Speaker 1: leaning towards our guy Emerson Hancock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I like your Kazuma Okamoto idea. It's creative.
Speaker 2: I just think his contract's too long.
Speaker 1: He's not making that much money. That what like might
Speaker 1: be like a quote unquote like poison pill for a
Speaker 1: lot of teams with Luis's contract, if you're gonna put
Speaker 1: him in the rotation, given he pitches to like an
Speaker 1: average rate and is healthy. The entire year, odds are
Speaker 1: Hill had one hundred and eighty innings and his option
Speaker 1: for the next year of his contract will vest and
Speaker 1: I'll have an extra year and twenty million dollars. And
Speaker 1: you say to the Blue Jays, okay, you have all
Speaker 1: these years of Kazuma Okamoto remaining at seventeen million dollars,
Speaker 1: you're now more prepared to take on a contract of
Speaker 1: Louis Castio that could actually be a year longer than
Speaker 1: you might want. But we're also taking money off your
Speaker 1: hands too with Okamoto, and since he's thirty and you
Speaker 1: guys might need to tear down and reset a little bit.
Speaker 1: Maybe this doesn't make as much sense, but Adam seems
Speaker 1: to think that the Mariners have done enough homework on
Speaker 1: Kazuma Okamoto that they might not deem that worth it.
Speaker 1: But if it's a one for one swap with Louis Castile,
Speaker 1: or maybe you again just send a prospect to the
Speaker 1: Blue Jays as well, maybe that would work. He's not
Speaker 1: bringing you all sorts of like contact or anything that's
Speaker 1: gonna make your team strike out less, But what he
Speaker 1: is gonna do is help you hit more home runs,
Speaker 1: which is really the only way your offense has been
Speaker 1: successful this season. That's what he's been really good at.
Speaker 2: It's just the Blue Jays are in such a similar
Speaker 2: spot to the Mariners where they don't feel like they're
Speaker 2: looking to tear down or truly sell off law term pieces.
Speaker 2: I think they expect to be competitive again next year.
Speaker 2: I think in their minds that includes Kazumo Okamoto, and for.
Speaker 1: The Mariners to have room for Okamoto at third base,
Speaker 1: they would have to get rid of JP Crawford, and
Speaker 1: Adam doesn't think that's gonna happen, so sure that would
Speaker 1: that would make they'll make things tougher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Again, the Ty France thing, in terms of vibes
Speaker 2: is probably the closest thing you could get if the
Speaker 2: Mariners somehow tried to trade back for him. I just
Speaker 2: I just don't really see the Padres giving him up.
Speaker 1: I think Ty France has good vibes. Was he have
Speaker 1: good vibes if he comes back here.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Fans would be happy. The people in
Speaker 2: the clubhouse would be happy. Tis loved in that clubhouse.
Speaker 2: But Ty France isn't a He's a good player and
Speaker 2: he's had a really nice year, but I don't know
Speaker 2: if he's a true game changer. I think he is
Speaker 2: a bit of a leader. I think he has a
Speaker 2: voice in that clubhouse and had one when he was here.
Speaker 1: And I guess it's a totally different coaching staff than
Speaker 1: when Ty was here last time as well, But still
Speaker 1: it's not it's not trading for Josh Naylor last year,
Speaker 1: or trading for Gino.
Speaker 2: No, not quite anyway, We'll see what happens in the
Speaker 2: next few days. I will tell you what. We'll say
Speaker 2: it again, Friday's podcast is gonna be very very interesting
Speaker 2: one way or another because the Mariners will have either
Speaker 2: shocked the world and defied everybody's expectations in this Dodger series,
Speaker 2: or it's gonna go how I think most of us
Speaker 2: think it's gonna go, and then wow, conversations get interesting.
Speaker 2: So buckle up for Friday. Buckle up for this Dodger series.
Speaker 2: It should be really it should be really interesting one
Speaker 2: way or another. With that, that'll just about wrap up
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