Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning, The Breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 1: Everybody is the j n V. Just Hilaris Charlamage the guy.
Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club. We got some special guests
Speaker 1: in the building from the Not All Hood podcast. We
Speaker 1: have Malcolm Jamore Warner where you see Baraka and Candice Kelly.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Thank you, Hey, good to see you.
Speaker 3: How the brothers and sister feeling good?
Speaker 4: Life is good?
Speaker 2: Yeah, good morning.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's about here, y'all just moved into.
Speaker 3: It was the first interview in our new studio. That's right. Wow, man,
Speaker 3: I love the name Not All Hood?
Speaker 5: Nah.
Speaker 3: Who came up with that?
Speaker 5: That was what you'll see?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't even remember for real, for real, Like
Speaker 4: I was just like, uh nah, Like Malcolm and I
Speaker 4: have been talking about just the concept of the podcast
Speaker 4: and how the diversity and who we are and also
Speaker 4: who we're not, right, So I was like, nah.
Speaker 6: Nah, Yeah, it feels like that was some I say,
Speaker 6: all black people from the hood.
Speaker 4: Nah exactly?
Speaker 6: Is it that where a lot of people come from
Speaker 6: poor and disenfranchised environments, but we are not our environment?
Speaker 4: Like it's just that we come from a bunch of
Speaker 4: different environments, you know, and I feel like, you know,
Speaker 4: a lot of media to portraying us either like your
Speaker 4: hip hop, you're your hip hop or pop culture right,
Speaker 4: you know, and now we're more than that.
Speaker 7: It's funny that you actually said that, Charlotmane, because I
Speaker 7: grew up in I grew up in La in the
Speaker 7: jungle wow. And my mother used to say to me, Malcolm,
Speaker 7: we live in the jungle, We're not of the jungle.
Speaker 7: So she was very clear on me having my sights
Speaker 7: further than just my neighborhood, which is why she put
Speaker 7: me in theater. And it was always trying to find
Speaker 7: things for me to do to keep me, you know,
Speaker 7: from just going to school and just hanging out, you know.
Speaker 7: But it was that it was a certain mindset that
Speaker 7: you know, she instilled in me, like Okay, yeah, we're here,
Speaker 7: but you know, this doesn't have to define us.
Speaker 8: And you know what, we are often recognized before we
Speaker 8: enter into any room and judge right, and sometimes you
Speaker 8: get the question that you know means you really don't
Speaker 8: belong here.
Speaker 2: So when that comes in.
Speaker 5: Can help you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 2: Can I help you?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 2: Can I help you? Or have I seen you be
Speaker 2: here here before? Or what are you doing in this neighborhood?
Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. One, that's the one.
Speaker 2: Right, What are you doing this neighbor This is my neighborhood.
Speaker 3: Why are you here?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Why are you jogging here?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 2: That you know that you just happened to my father.
Speaker 8: He would jog in the neighborhood and all the white
Speaker 8: neighbors would stop him when we first moved in, and
Speaker 8: they would keep on stopping him. This back in the seventies.
Speaker 8: So he finally just went to the police station and said,
Speaker 8: I just need to introduce myself so that when you
Speaker 8: guys stopped me, you know who you are, and it stopped.
Speaker 8: But that's kind of an example of what it means
Speaker 8: when people perceive you beforehand, and what you have to
Speaker 8: do to go outside of the box to keep improving
Speaker 8: who you are over and over again. So this really
Speaker 8: is just an ongoing conversation that we have, Malcolm, let's
Speaker 8: call a safe space, which it is just to say
Speaker 8: really what we want about anything about our experiences in America.
Speaker 8: And that's really kind of key to it too. We
Speaker 8: have people that are from diverse backgrounds, whether they're from
Speaker 8: the Caribbean or whether they're from all you know, Africa,
Speaker 8: but you come to America and there's kind of a
Speaker 8: thread And those are the types of stories that we're
Speaker 8: sharing to really change this mass narrative that's already out
Speaker 8: there about us.
Speaker 2: Creator shift is.
Speaker 1: A term hood negative though when people say hood sometimes
Speaker 1: it comes off as negative. I don't take it as
Speaker 1: a negative term. Is it a negative term?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 7: And I think, you know, part of the you know,
Speaker 7: the idea of not all hood is hood is not
Speaker 7: a negative term. Hood is part of the community. Like
Speaker 7: when we speak of the black community, we always tend
Speaker 7: to refer to it as if it's a monolist that's right,
Speaker 7: but they are all these different lanes to the black community,
Speaker 7: all these levels, all these different lanes, and oftentimes we
Speaker 7: don't have a space where we can actually, you know, discuss,
Speaker 7: acknowledge and deal with with all of those levels, all
Speaker 7: those lanes. So the hood is not a bad thing.
Speaker 7: We're not all you know, we're not Yes, we are hood,
Speaker 7: but we're not all hood. And the media, and I
Speaker 7: think part of it is the media tends to put
Speaker 7: more focus on one aspect of the black community. Thus
Speaker 7: we get all the stereotypes and preconceived ideas.
Speaker 4: And hood comes from like neighborhood, neigh right, and Dayla
Speaker 4: said it. You know, they called the hood because we're
Speaker 4: not neighbors anymore, you know what I mean, a lot
Speaker 4: of times we're not communicating with each other, right, but
Speaker 4: we we're trying to change that.
Speaker 2: I did get that question a lot though you have
Speaker 2: been a podcast. Isn't hood negative?
Speaker 8: So I understand where you're coming from. But just like
Speaker 8: they said, it's a neighborhood. I mean, I live in
Speaker 8: a place where I'm next to a lot of Indian neighborhood,
Speaker 8: Indian neighborhood, Jewish neighborhood.
Speaker 2: You can still call it the hood. People also associate
Speaker 2: the word.
Speaker 8: Hood we're just us, which really, yeah, we're black.
Speaker 2: So it's just one of those things.
Speaker 8: It's kind of some damage that the media, the pop culture,
Speaker 8: the news has done and really trying to define who
Speaker 8: we are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never took it as negative. It was always
Speaker 1: going back to the hood, to mean, I'm going back
Speaker 1: home to my neighborhood, right exactly wherever it was. I'm
Speaker 1: going to play basketball in the hood, which was my neighborhood.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I never took it as oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, it's a place. No, I never took it
Speaker 1: at that. I know a lot of people do, but
Speaker 1: that was always just like going home, you know.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, And you know, we were talking about this yesterday.
Speaker 8: That also when we talk about being African American, we
Speaker 8: talk about the trauma that's associated, like that's really all.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 8: We have diabetes and high blood pressure and we're dying
Speaker 8: and the infomortality rate. But we're happy people too. But
Speaker 8: we make it to the news when it's bad. You know,
Speaker 8: we may often make it to the news when it's bad.
Speaker 8: And so that's another thing that I think this podcast does,
Speaker 8: I think for the three of us, is just show
Speaker 8: the joy and what it's like being black and because
Speaker 8: of the things that are going out there in this
Speaker 8: twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Four Lord, every yeah, how did the three of you
Speaker 3: all come together? How did y'all get together? We will
Speaker 3: do the left yo, everything on you.
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 7: What you SA and I have been friends for she's
Speaker 7: for a minute, a long minute.
Speaker 5: Twenty plus years.
Speaker 7: We used to both be at the National Back Theater
Speaker 7: Festival in Winstern, Salem and where you and I met
Speaker 7: in nineteen ninety nine and we had put on the
Speaker 7: first poetry jam there and that turned out to be
Speaker 7: one of the biggest attractions at the theater. We used
Speaker 7: to call the midnight Poetry Jam. So after you know,
Speaker 7: all day of theater, you know, in every imaginable performance
Speaker 7: space in the city, then people would come back to
Speaker 7: the to our venue and we would pack out at
Speaker 7: midnight poetry Jam. It would just be open mic starting
Speaker 7: at midnight and we'd go to like two two thirty.
Speaker 4: And it was a big attraction, Yeah festival, and then
Speaker 4: we just kept hanging out yeah Yeah. And then I
Speaker 4: know link with Cannis from I was doing sort of
Speaker 4: community organizing and sort of it was a a event with.
Speaker 2: Ye Yeah.
Speaker 4: In Morris Town, New Jersey, and we connected there just
Speaker 4: sort of yeah linked And when macol I decided we
Speaker 4: were going to do this podcast, we're like, yeah, we
Speaker 4: need some different voices.
Speaker 8: In yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And I do a lot of work, a lot of
Speaker 8: commentating on various mostly legal cases. I feel in for
Speaker 8: Roland Martin to Roland Martin unfiltered, and so I'm always
Speaker 8: running my mouth and when I got on with them,
Speaker 8: I think I ran my mouth for them to say.
Speaker 2: You know what, you want to keep talking with us.
Speaker 2: I was like, I actually do.
Speaker 8: So, you know, really in that first conversation, we talked
Speaker 8: about anything from and word to talking to music. I mean,
Speaker 8: we were just on for a long time and it's
Speaker 8: just a nice everybody was testifying, you know what I.
Speaker 2: Mean, it really was.
Speaker 8: It was just a good way to connect and get
Speaker 8: to know each other. And the conversation has been going
Speaker 8: on ever since.
Speaker 7: But the dope things. When Way and I first started talking,
Speaker 7: we're both older fathers. So the initial idea was to
Speaker 7: do a podcast from the perspective of older black fathers.
Speaker 7: So when we first met with Candis, it was as
Speaker 7: a producer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to produce this show, that's right.
Speaker 5: And then we had that meeting, was like, you know,
Speaker 5: ninety minutes, this is the show.
Speaker 7: Yeah, We're like, we need to add candas as a
Speaker 7: host and expand the concept from just you know, the
Speaker 7: black father perspective.
Speaker 5: And it turned into yeah, and.
Speaker 8: I think your wife because your wife is in the
Speaker 8: background like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are some of the topics you guys will
Speaker 3: be discussing.
Speaker 4: Black fatherhood an older fathers with younger children?
Speaker 5: Yeah, how you guys handling that?
Speaker 4: Yo? What did yours old your youngest so youngest. Only
Speaker 4: we only have one because I got.
Speaker 1: A two year old Sol, and then I got a twenty.
Speaker 3: Two year old.
Speaker 4: Fifty three, I got a nine year old.
Speaker 5: I got six, he got four.
Speaker 6: I'll be forty six and a couple of weeks my
Speaker 6: youngest two.
Speaker 3: I got a two year old, five year old, eight
Speaker 3: year old, and fifteen.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so y'all started around when we started.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm fifty three and my daughter just turned seven.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so.
Speaker 4: You'll have a conversation we're talking about, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, those those days where they be on, on,
Speaker 4: go go, you know what I mean, and you gotta
Speaker 4: just wrap your energy up and and make it happen,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Crazy you say that.
Speaker 6: My homeboy told me that a long time ago, beause
Speaker 6: you know, all my homeboys had kids way younger.
Speaker 3: Than I did, right, And they was like, man, you
Speaker 3: wait till you thirty plus forty to have kids. You're
Speaker 3: gonna be running around you need he's gonna be hurting, Like, no,
Speaker 3: he won't. Yes, they are exactly, but that.
Speaker 2: Doesn't some good come with that?
Speaker 8: You being older, so speak yeah, you know, being a
Speaker 8: father and not being twenty one I've been having growth
Speaker 8: yourself that you have to go through.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, my last my two youngest get a version
Speaker 6: of me that did not exist ten years ago.
Speaker 5: Ten years ago.
Speaker 7: You know, I spent more of my adult life in
Speaker 7: long term relationship, more years of my adult life in
Speaker 7: long term relationships than not. And my wife and I
Speaker 7: have been together eight and a half years and not
Speaker 7: more than two days go by that I don't give
Speaker 7: thanks to the universe forgiving me the wisdom and fortitude
Speaker 7: to have waited as long as they did. A lot
Speaker 7: of people are like, he's never gonna get married, And
Speaker 7: I think at some point I probably thought.
Speaker 4: Like we said, have these conversations like yo, they looking
Speaker 4: at us like we you know, damnage goods like to mean,
Speaker 4: you thirty done and you don't got no kids? Not married?
Speaker 4: He got a problem?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's the best thing, and for me,
Speaker 5: it's the best thing I could have been.
Speaker 7: I would not have I definitely would not have been
Speaker 7: as effective a husband and father had I done this
Speaker 7: any earlier with anybody else.
Speaker 6: That is such a great conversation you never hear men
Speaker 6: have Like that's a conversation you always hear, you know,
Speaker 6: women have, but so you actually waited like you were
Speaker 6: actually waiting for the right.
Speaker 7: Know how many bullets.
Speaker 9: I've been since thirteen on TV, since thirteen, you know,
Speaker 9: I neoled my way out of a lot.
Speaker 6: At your circumstance was different, though, because you didn't know
Speaker 6: if people wanted to be with you all they wanted
Speaker 6: to be with you.
Speaker 5: Know what I mean?
Speaker 7: There was that because I've been doing it for so long,
Speaker 7: I've been really blessed with a great sense of discerning,
Speaker 7: So that was never my issue.
Speaker 5: To be completely transparent.
Speaker 7: My thing about marriage was like, yo, I'm not getting
Speaker 7: married and then given a chick half of my stuff
Speaker 7: because I messed up. So I was very clear that
Speaker 7: even though there were situations that you know, we're really
Speaker 7: you know, pressuring if you will, you know, like that
Speaker 7: kind of marriage, I was like nah, because I knew me.
Speaker 7: I knew that I wasn't going to because I wasn't
Speaker 7: I wasn't given half of my trap because because I messed.
Speaker 3: Up about you.
Speaker 4: It was about just being patient, like I know me,
Speaker 4: and I know that, like everybody's gonna be able to
Speaker 4: deal with me. As a community organizer who like really
Speaker 4: understands that the people around me that are close to
Speaker 4: me are gonna be okay. My work in life is
Speaker 4: to make sure that other people are gonna be okay.
Speaker 4: So sometimes I'm I'm a little hard on them people
Speaker 4: that are close. Right, I'm gonna get out and like
Speaker 4: they're gonna have to take a back seat sometimes. Right,
Speaker 4: That was part of it. And the big part is
Speaker 4: like raising my child, the idea of like me getting
Speaker 4: married and having a child.
Speaker 5: You gotta be.
Speaker 4: Special, man, where you gots to be special? So I
Speaker 4: love you, Shelley.
Speaker 8: With one show where we have these two and Lamar
Speaker 8: Rutcker and I just sit back and I listen. It's
Speaker 8: like there could be some people that are taking notes,
Speaker 8: some women that are taking notes because they really I
Speaker 8: was like, this is some good, Like you said, I
Speaker 8: don't hear that a lot, just talking about fatherhood and
Speaker 8: just the humility and how proud they are and then
Speaker 8: all the rules and lessons that they learned in a.
Speaker 2: Long way when they were dating.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really was no taking moment.
Speaker 3: It was good.
Speaker 4: You guys have boys or girls? Girls?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, girl.
Speaker 2: I said that was kind of suspect.
Speaker 6: Girls different different, it's way different.
Speaker 4: He has four girls I got four girls.
Speaker 3: You know, I love it. Yeah yeah, I love it,
Speaker 3: and I deserve it.
Speaker 4: You know, they say, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: All of it. How does that change you? Having girls?
Speaker 1: I got four girls, Charlamagne's four girls, How does that
Speaker 1: change you as a father?
Speaker 5: I got two off, but some girls changing.
Speaker 7: So I asked the universe for a girl first. So
Speaker 7: even before, even before conception, we were very clear we
Speaker 7: were having a girl. And I know that I needed
Speaker 7: a girl first to kind of ease me into it
Speaker 7: because I've you know, I'm I have a pretty good
Speaker 7: idea of what kind of father I would be. So
Speaker 7: I needed a girl to kind of you know, slow
Speaker 7: me down and and and warm and softs me up,
Speaker 7: if you will. So for me raising my daughter, I
Speaker 7: came into fatherhood already with a certain maturity and uh,
Speaker 7: you know, certain understanding of male female dynamics, you know,
Speaker 7: and with a girl, all of that starts with the father.
Speaker 7: So I've always since she came, since I literally pulled
Speaker 7: her out of my wife, I've been focused on, you know,
Speaker 7: instilling in her the kind of love that she is
Speaker 7: not going to have to go out in the world
Speaker 7: and try to find, treating her with a level of
Speaker 7: respect at nine months old, that she will that that
Speaker 7: that kind of loves normalized.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 7: That's always been my biggest thing. Like we see these
Speaker 7: girls out here who don't have a great relationships with
Speaker 7: the fathers, and you know, through our lifetimes we've been
Speaker 7: with a lot of them, Right, So I knew that
Speaker 7: the for me, the biggest gift that I can give
Speaker 7: my daughter is a sense of self so when she
Speaker 7: goes out into the world, she is not easily influenced
Speaker 7: by her surroundings. So since she was like two years old,
Speaker 7: you know, someone says to her, Oh, you're so pretty,
Speaker 7: you're so cute, You're so beautiful, She'll say thank you.
Speaker 5: When I'm smart too.
Speaker 4: That's how we run it.
Speaker 7: That's the normalization I want her to have.
Speaker 5: In terms of how she sees herself in characters.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, you see, yeah, same thing, Like you know, it's
Speaker 4: a it's a humbling space. Giving my daughter like a
Speaker 4: different kind of vocabulary that's empowering to her so that
Speaker 4: when she interacts, she knows she she walks and talks
Speaker 4: from posician power.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, yet, hold on, can you speak of
Speaker 1: that candid?
Speaker 8: Yeah, Yeah, I come from a family of three girls.
Speaker 8: And my father, I mean really just the king of
Speaker 8: all things. They know all about my father. I told
Speaker 8: a story already today about my father, you know what
Speaker 8: I mean. So that is very infused in me and
Speaker 8: my mother too, don't get me wrong, but since we're
Speaker 8: talking about fathers, all everything that he poured into me,
Speaker 8: and you know, sometimes you're doing something and you're like, oh,
Speaker 8: that's my dad, what I did right there, that's my mom.
Speaker 8: Like you can you know when they've poured into it,
Speaker 8: when you see you doing things that are just like
Speaker 8: what they did, and you don't even realize it. So
Speaker 8: you don't even realize what the kids see and don't see.
Speaker 8: But really, my parents really allowed me to see all
Speaker 8: of the right things they really did, and parents generally
Speaker 8: are always right, I mean really like it might be
Speaker 8: twenty years down the line we.
Speaker 4: Try and my daughter reminds me that bye bye.
Speaker 2: Maybe not Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: It really is powerful to have a powerful father, to
Speaker 8: have a presence all the time, even when they're gone,
Speaker 8: still there.
Speaker 1: I think the funniest thing for girl dads is humbling, right,
Speaker 1: meaning I was never in the cheerleading, a dance or
Speaker 1: any of those sports. But now when I take my
Speaker 1: daughters today, better get out, not be doing a dance mood.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: It takes you out of that that ego place where
Speaker 1: it's like now I'm gonna talk that now, right, I'm safty.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: I think when my daughter was born, I found myself.
Speaker 7: Like crying all the time, went over like just simple
Speaker 7: ship be like I had that touches me.
Speaker 4: Like baby feet and baby dimples.
Speaker 2: I was like, what is Oh, they're so cute?
Speaker 4: Man, opened up a whole other world.
Speaker 6: It's probably a stupid question. Way, but you hate poetry,
Speaker 6: you laugh thing baracca?
Speaker 3: You related?
Speaker 5: No relation? No wow, no relation.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's a loute to the arc. I mean all
Speaker 4: the great things you know and to know the l
Speaker 4: o g absolutely know Mary.
Speaker 1: Now Father's Day is around the corner, do you, guys?
Speaker 1: As Father's Day important to you guys as much?
Speaker 5: And for you? Is it important as you?
Speaker 1: Because for myself I just just want to chill fall
Speaker 1: that don't need too much. This is a little barbecue
Speaker 1: the kids around. That's all I care about this day?
Speaker 5: What is it for you guys? This?
Speaker 8: Well, So my father is passed a couple of years ago.
Speaker 8: He died during COVID but you know, thank you so
Speaker 8: much and so but you know my husband, so you know,
Speaker 8: I was, you know this morning, all right, we're doing dinner, right,
Speaker 8: We're doing the house?
Speaker 2: Are we doing that? We're going out?
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 8: It's one of those things where I just like, as
Speaker 8: I tell my husband all the time, you know what,
Speaker 8: it's not the it's not the birthdays of the Christmas
Speaker 8: or there or the holidays that society has said. Just
Speaker 8: be good to me on a regular Tuesday will be good.
Speaker 8: But I do remember as my father and he got older,
Speaker 8: it was really important because everybody was all over the place.
Speaker 8: Everybody goes in their own lives. So it was good
Speaker 8: to come back and give him that gift of time
Speaker 8: because at some point, you know, you don't need.
Speaker 2: Socks or clothes or TV or car. You don't need that.
Speaker 8: What you want is stuff that's really free. Time, respect, love,
Speaker 8: your energy, your opinion, all of that. So it's good
Speaker 8: to come together for all of those things that cost
Speaker 8: no money, especially as people get older.
Speaker 5: But that wants to scratch off ticket you.
Speaker 8: But you know what he wants to see you when
Speaker 8: you give it to him, you know what I mean,
Speaker 8: it's not the ticket, Yeah, but if.
Speaker 2: He wins, you know, you don't want that out.
Speaker 6: I'm talking about you afraid of being too honest or
Speaker 6: too vulnerable on these podcasts because in this era people
Speaker 6: get very loose. As you've seen, if people have a
Speaker 6: certain image of you, you even care about that.
Speaker 5: That's so it's interesting.
Speaker 7: So you know, I've said that in interviews that this is,
Speaker 7: you know, the most vulnerable and I've always been pretty
Speaker 7: transparent in my art and my poetry and music.
Speaker 5: But I don't I don't worry about it.
Speaker 7: I got a good taste of it just this week
Speaker 7: because we had our you know, first episode on Monday,
Speaker 7: and we were having conversation about the N word and
Speaker 7: I had a you know, I made it's really interesting
Speaker 7: how many people we're not listening to what I was
Speaker 7: saying and took my comments as I was, you know,
Speaker 7: I was hating on j Cole. So it's things like that.
Speaker 7: And then the way the Instagram, the art of dialogue.
Speaker 5: And other Yeah, the way they worded that's the where
Speaker 5: were in right, Like, So I was.
Speaker 7: Like, ah, right, this is the reason why I stopped
Speaker 7: commenting on i G first thing in the morning.
Speaker 3: Malcolm mo say he stopped listening to J Cole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's play the listen certain the clip here, so
Speaker 1: people undertake.
Speaker 5: What what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Are you playing it in context?
Speaker 5: Context?
Speaker 1: Because I'm sure we don't have the clip off the
Speaker 1: other clip.
Speaker 5: No, so we're in context.
Speaker 7: Okay, okay, dig it, dig it. So so many people,
Speaker 7: you know, they just ignore the fact that I said,
Speaker 7: I love J Cole and I said that most of
Speaker 7: my favorite mcs you know, are guilty of the same
Speaker 7: thing we're talking about, you know, perpetuating, perpetuating anti black
Speaker 7: messaging in our black music.
Speaker 6: So that was really my point. I don't understand. That's
Speaker 6: when they lose me. How is that anti black? How
Speaker 6: is that N word? Saying you don't like the N
Speaker 6: word anti black messaging? Isn't the N word anti black?
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. My perspective is so much of
Speaker 6: our black music.
Speaker 7: Today, like you take the Dope Beats Away and you
Speaker 7: just listen to the lyrics lyrically, it's anti black message,
Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying. And we talk about you know,
Speaker 7: so much of you know, hip hop today that's trash
Speaker 7: and whatnot. But you know, as I said, before they
Speaker 7: grew up listening to what we were listening to. Right,
Speaker 7: So we are complicit in, you know, the parts of
Speaker 7: hip hop today that we don't like because they grew
Speaker 7: up listening to us listening listening to the content is
Speaker 7: the same. The scale set is just whack, right, which
Speaker 7: is what makes it stand.
Speaker 4: Out, as they didn't listen to what we were listening to,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But I think that we
Speaker 4: also had a broader We listened to music when there
Speaker 4: was more than just hip hop. Hip Hop was not
Speaker 4: the the juggernaut of music that it is now, right, Okay,
Speaker 4: we like, yeah, jazz like like you would, you know,
Speaker 4: like we was rocking the salt hall notes, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, and all these other things, right, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Yeah, Like we had these a
Speaker 4: lot of other influences that I think the youth of
Speaker 4: today don't necessarily have aren't necessarily being uh promoted in
Speaker 4: terms of yeah, in terms of balance.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I get exactly what you're saying, because even the
Speaker 6: other genres now are hip hop.
Speaker 4: Right what I'm saying, Like, you know, it's countries, a
Speaker 4: little bit of hip hop, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: And so much of it, so much of the hip
Speaker 7: hop that gets the shine. You know, it's it's the
Speaker 7: anti black message, but that's it's very rarely. There are
Speaker 7: not many hip hop songs that are speaking love to
Speaker 7: our people. Most of it is very threatening.
Speaker 4: But is that the artists or is that the industry?
Speaker 4: Both okay, and.
Speaker 5: The end the result is the same.
Speaker 7: The the the psyche on young black boys and girls,
Speaker 7: there's the same whether it's the weather, but.
Speaker 4: If it's young black boys and girl that's on the parents.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, but all parents don't. All parents.
Speaker 7: There's a certain luxury that you and I have in
Speaker 7: terms of the time that.
Speaker 5: We and our wives can spend with our daughters, right, but.
Speaker 7: Everybody, everybody in all families don't have that. So we're
Speaker 7: not talking about, uh, the psyche of young black kids
Speaker 7: who have their parents very involved in their lives and
Speaker 7: showing them balance. We're talking about the ones who.
Speaker 4: Were Let's hold them accountable to the messages. My fault
Speaker 4: this is that this is like.
Speaker 3: I don't think you would you say J Cole had
Speaker 3: the anti black message.
Speaker 7: No, so so for me because Nigga has become you know,
Speaker 7: it's become the staple in hip hop, like it's got
Speaker 7: to be a nigga bitch. That's why I said in
Speaker 7: that clip, I think there should be a moratorium on
Speaker 7: both of those words in hip hop because it's it's
Speaker 7: at this point, it's corny, it's lazy.
Speaker 5: Everybody is using it.
Speaker 7: So let's like, you know, you know, there are so
Speaker 7: many brilliant writers and lyricists out there that it's like,
Speaker 7: come on, let's let's let's stop our game. We don't
Speaker 7: have to keep doing if everybody's doing it, then come
Speaker 7: on do something different, you know. So my thing with
Speaker 7: with with J Cole, it just I just got to
Speaker 7: a point where I got tired of, you know, hearing
Speaker 7: inward and being called inWORD in every hip.
Speaker 5: Hop song I'm listening to.
Speaker 7: And I mentioned J Cole because I love J Cole
Speaker 7: and he's such an and an incredible lyrics that when
Speaker 7: I hear him just gratuitously use either those words, I'm like, ah,
Speaker 7: I mean kind of you know that I have to
Speaker 7: tune out. Yeah, doesn't mean doesn't mean I like J
Speaker 7: Cole or respect his artistry, his his pen game any less.
Speaker 7: I just go all right, I'm d I gotta tune
Speaker 7: out because it's not it's not doing it's not bringing me,
Speaker 7: it's not feeding me.
Speaker 6: So what about the album, like because and this is
Speaker 6: the album that I say in the future is gonna
Speaker 6: be two of the most important albums of all time.
Speaker 6: Miss Kendrick Lamar, Mister Moralean in the Big Steps jay
Speaker 6: Z four four four. The things that they're discussing on
Speaker 6: this album, black men going to therapy, black men doing
Speaker 6: right by the women. You know, uh, issues with our
Speaker 6: father daddy, issues that we fix. Like, to me, those
Speaker 6: themes are bigger than the language that they using. Even
Speaker 6: you look at somebody like Tupac. To me, Tupac's themes
Speaker 6: were bigger than the language he was using.
Speaker 7: People keep saying that about Tupac, but like, and I
Speaker 7: don't want to get into a whole thing about about
Speaker 7: but yeah, I listened to his I mean listen to
Speaker 7: his There's there's dear Mama, Brenda's got a baby, keep
Speaker 7: your head up.
Speaker 5: And then everything else is.
Speaker 1: Not everything this changes this You got me got a
Speaker 1: bunch of but you know, you know what this conversation
Speaker 1: sounds like. It sounds like you know where you're younger
Speaker 1: and your father said, oh you listen to that, hippiie
Speaker 1: hoppity rap. There's a lot of positivity, all the positive
Speaker 1: artists out there that are spitting right but right people
Speaker 1: listening to music. Those same artists had the same problem.
Speaker 1: If you think about ty lib Quality never.
Speaker 5: Got on radio.
Speaker 1: Most Death never got on radio. Tribe called Quest hardly
Speaker 1: got on radio. We talked about a lot of those
Speaker 1: positive rappers. It was the same thing back then.
Speaker 4: Those artists might have a record or too.
Speaker 1: Tell him did get on radio too. He did a
Speaker 1: record to jay z Hot on the single just to
Speaker 1: get by record, that's but it took him a long
Speaker 1: time to get on record. Most definim didn't get really
Speaker 1: on radio, to what miss fab fabulty. So a lot
Speaker 1: of the things that we're talking about was the same thing.
Speaker 1: Coming rarely got on the world, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But it's the same thing. It's the same thing as
Speaker 1: what we push Like back then, who's on radio?
Speaker 6: Biggie t I, you know that name had social records
Speaker 6: with socially redeeming.
Speaker 5: Value, but the records on radio.
Speaker 6: Like my dad used to always try to get me
Speaker 6: to listen to the Honorable Minutes to Lewis Farrakon and
Speaker 6: I would sorta reluctantly. When I heard Biggie say deep
Speaker 6: like the mind of Farrakhn, I'm like, oh, that's the
Speaker 6: brother my daddy's always trying to get me.
Speaker 5: So now I really like he was speaking to you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, d farra CON's a prophet. I think you ought
Speaker 6: to listen to it, like, oh, let me pay attention.
Speaker 6: So even with the language of a Biggie or whoever,
Speaker 6: they can still deliver messaging that makes you get in
Speaker 6: the right direction.
Speaker 4: Lauren says, what's the line?
Speaker 7: Right, So you're ignorant, I'm trying to get to say. Also,
Speaker 7: what what what I have to be mindful of as
Speaker 7: well is respect politics, not even not not even that,
Speaker 7: because that's a whole nother relation, right, But it's more.
Speaker 7: I realized that it's way more productive across the board
Speaker 7: and for my my own energy and space is instead
Speaker 7: of spending time talking about the trash, talking about the
Speaker 7: things that I don't like and I think we're all
Speaker 7: guilty of, we talked about the negative. But I'm trying
Speaker 7: to be more mindful, like even in my in my
Speaker 7: conversations with hip hop, be mindful of well instead of
Speaker 7: talking about the same thing, which is the negative let
Speaker 7: me spend time highlighting.
Speaker 5: What I like or like what I love about hip hop?
Speaker 7: That right, Mum, I'll write hard for Mumbo Fresh all day,
Speaker 7: but even just that, like yeah, thinking about you know,
Speaker 7: Norman Sonist got I finally reposted on on Instagram like
Speaker 7: seeing these cats I believe really need to have shine?
Speaker 7: What stuff complaining that they don't have shine? I got
Speaker 7: social media, Like, now I can actually, you know, give
Speaker 7: shine to those And I've got I got a following,
Speaker 7: I've got a voice, you know, I've got integrity, uh,
Speaker 7: a reputation for integrity going for me, So like why
Speaker 7: not just use that and spend more time, you know,
Speaker 7: speaking about the giving love to the things that make
Speaker 7: me feel good.
Speaker 1: But I also think I have evolution to right, you know,
Speaker 1: because I went to Hampton. When I used to drive
Speaker 1: to Hampton, I'm listening to noise because it's keeping me up.
Speaker 5: What what what? And I'm thinking I'm the biggest what.
Speaker 5: But then when you get a little older, you'd be like,
Speaker 5: that's a little noise, right, let me tell about.
Speaker 3: I feel like listening to it when I'm working up
Speaker 3: from the South workout. Yeah, but I also grew up
Speaker 3: on goodie mob.
Speaker 4: You know, and I think, you know, it's we've got
Speaker 4: more of a balance, right as we get older than one,
Speaker 4: we've got we've been exposed to more music, right, So
Speaker 4: it's it's a little different now, you know. I mean,
Speaker 4: like they still in the in the throes of what's hot,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. The how we access music
Speaker 4: is different now because they're just like yo, you know,
Speaker 4: point click right, and it's not necessarily about what's on
Speaker 4: the radio. It's about what they want to listen to,
Speaker 4: which is they've got direct access to that.
Speaker 6: You know, can don't wan to as from a woman's perspective,
Speaker 6: you know what I find interesting, right, you know, we
Speaker 6: have these conversations, but I will never forget Snoop Dogg
Speaker 6: and DMX's versus. Right when they did their versus, I
Speaker 6: think it was during COVID, and I remember thinking, oh,
Speaker 6: this is going to night that boy they finally listened
Speaker 6: to Snoop and DMX and it's gonna be a woke
Speaker 6: cancel fest on Twitter. But there was people in the comments,
Speaker 6: the same people I usually see trying to cancel.
Speaker 5: People loving it.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, but how does that make you feel knowing
Speaker 6: you came up in that era of the nineties.
Speaker 3: Is it conflicting that you.
Speaker 2: Know, not at all?
Speaker 8: And I'm right in the middle with them in terms
Speaker 8: of number I won, the N word and just this
Speaker 8: whole idea of music and what it represents because I
Speaker 8: know so I love Wu Tang and when I listen
Speaker 8: to them, I get like a good energy out, not
Speaker 8: just work out, but when something goes wrong sometimes that
Speaker 8: music allows you to let stuff out, you know that
Speaker 8: you just couldn't get out in the day when you
Speaker 8: were with your peers, or when you're on the streets,
Speaker 8: you just in the car loud with it. And then
Speaker 8: I also think it's how were we brought up and
Speaker 8: what do we bring to the table? So the N word,
Speaker 8: for example, I mean, I don't know how you were
Speaker 8: introduced to itever, but that's shaped probably what the word
Speaker 8: means to you, and same with me probably saying to you.
Speaker 8: And we all have different things that we bring to
Speaker 8: the table, just culturally, and I think that just shifts.
Speaker 8: And I'm a firm believer in the First Amendment, like
Speaker 8: all the way, because once you start saying no here
Speaker 8: and no here, then I'm giving somebody else the authority
Speaker 8: to say no to me one day too, and I
Speaker 8: don't want that precedent. I don't want them saying, well,
Speaker 8: you can't say this and you can't say that just
Speaker 8: because of the content of it or the context of it.
Speaker 2: We don't like it at all.
Speaker 8: It's like when they try to bring up brack lyrics
Speaker 8: when they go to jail in court. Right, I mean,
Speaker 8: that doesn't make any sense. We all have the same
Speaker 8: equal First Amendment rights and you should fight for them
Speaker 8: and use them equally.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Yeah, TikToker yesterday, I
Speaker 1: seen it online. She said the N word, right, she
Speaker 1: got fired from her regular job.
Speaker 2: Oh, this was the girl who was cooking that young lady.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 1: And then in her comments she was.
Speaker 3: Also white by the way, Yes, critical, But this is.
Speaker 5: Where I'm gonna close it.
Speaker 1: She said on her TikTok that she didn't apologize because
Speaker 1: it was her first right amendment to say what she
Speaker 1: wanted to say, and she shouldn't have got fired. What's
Speaker 1: your thoughts on somebody like that it is her first
Speaker 1: right amendment?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then there are three different rules.
Speaker 8: There's First Amendment rules on TikTok, there's First Amendment rules
Speaker 8: at her work, and then that's her own rules of
Speaker 8: what she believes about the N word, and all of
Speaker 8: them conflicted, and she got exactly what she deserves. She did,
Speaker 8: But then that's what happened. That's why you do have
Speaker 8: to be careful with it, right. You can't be on
Speaker 8: TikTok saying it. I mean, this is a good example.
Speaker 8: Person person, No, no, you can't. So you just have
Speaker 8: to really understand how to use the First Amendment to
Speaker 8: So for example, if you're the KKK, you can walk
Speaker 8: march anywhere in America, you just have to get the permit.
Speaker 2: You can't walk on your own. You have to follow
Speaker 2: the rules. She didn't follow the rules. She she she
Speaker 2: didn't follow her own hr rules at work, and that
Speaker 2: was her problem.
Speaker 5: She did.
Speaker 1: That's right, Like you said, it's also where you came from, right,
Speaker 1: because the N word was a sign of endearment, sure something.
Speaker 1: It was that you know, you really didn't hear the
Speaker 1: extremes of it until I went to Hampton in the South,
Speaker 1: and you'll be like, oh, no, they're not saying it.
Speaker 4: As right, right, And that's right rightferent ways, and that's
Speaker 4: sort of been part, you know, part of my argument
Speaker 4: for a lot of people. It's a term of endearment
Speaker 4: like it's love. There are more interactions that are using
Speaker 4: the word that are about love and that are about disrespect.
Speaker 4: So you know, and yes, we know the history of it.
Speaker 4: We also know that that's mine.
Speaker 6: But I also grew up reading stuff like I grew up,
Speaker 6: you know, Message to the Black Man by Elijah Muhammad
Speaker 6: Bier Malcolm Max, a great book called From Niggas to God.
Speaker 6: I think every black man in America should read that.
Speaker 6: It's always been I've always been conflicted about using the work.
Speaker 3: Be cause I don't use it as a term. If
Speaker 3: it did, right, I use it. I use when Chris
Speaker 3: Rock showed me the difference, I use it for that,
Speaker 3: right Right.
Speaker 7: There's a I think last time I was here, I
Speaker 7: quoted doctor Daniel Black, and I'm gonna quote him again.
Speaker 5: He says, why should I borrow a word.
Speaker 7: From people who hate me when I'm trying to speak
Speaker 7: love to my brothers and sisters. Right, So I go
Speaker 7: back to uh to comrade, you know the term black
Speaker 7: panther Party used Reggie Mason, you know, brought it back
Speaker 7: up to me.
Speaker 5: So I've been on this this.
Speaker 7: Comrade campaign, like you know, if I'm trying to speak
Speaker 7: love to my brother, will comrade, I get the idea
Speaker 7: of you know, the N words, the term of endearment,
Speaker 7: but it's a colonizer's word, so.
Speaker 4: Language colonized, so like like it's not our language. English
Speaker 4: is not our language.
Speaker 5: Sure, but I'm not but I'm not going to use it.
Speaker 7: I I'm at the point in my life where I question,
Speaker 7: what's the what's the sense in using a colonizer's word was,
Speaker 7: which was a uh, intentionally derogatory word to describe us?
Speaker 7: Why do I want to borrow that particular word and
Speaker 7: go through the the hoops of Oh it's it's positive
Speaker 7: so for me and just so just for me personally,
Speaker 7: I'm I'm comrade, you know, and and I use it
Speaker 7: in both scenarios.
Speaker 5: That's my comrade.
Speaker 3: Anytime you also said, we showed our coach out hip hop.
Speaker 4: And it's uh industry wise, it's sort of the bigger picture,
Speaker 4: right because they did it the jazz like they co
Speaker 4: opted it and used it for their own purposes.
Speaker 7: But there wasn't messages and jazz that were going to
Speaker 7: have an effect. I mean, ye, black people see them.
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, I mean we sort ourself out. But
Speaker 4: I also feel like, from a macro perspective, this is
Speaker 4: going to be The civil rights movement created a lot
Speaker 4: of opportunities and it shifted the mentality that made many
Speaker 4: of us very passive. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I integrated my people into a
Speaker 3: burning house.
Speaker 4: Into a burning house, right, Yeah, we had it was.
Speaker 3: More of a sentive independence. Yeah, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 5: Mhm, people's.
Speaker 4: Man, my godfather, don't call me and be like young man.
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, yeah, like it's it's heavy, it's
Speaker 4: a lot, and I'm like, ah, you got me a
Speaker 4: pinch right now.
Speaker 2: I know what you originally said. You said that we
Speaker 2: sold ourselves out.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 2: In terms of music on the podcast, yeah yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean even I mean, you know, there was a
Speaker 7: term and hip hop artists talk about it when the
Speaker 7: record labels say to them, this is what you have
Speaker 7: to rap about, and this is what we're paying for
Speaker 7: you to write.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 7: So it's you know, and again I say, in a
Speaker 7: lot of ways, we are generation. You know, we are
Speaker 7: complicit in what we see, you know, the state of
Speaker 7: hip hop.
Speaker 5: Uh in the younger generation. That's you know, we allowed
Speaker 5: that for the dollars. I'm gonna get a T shirt
Speaker 5: that says right.
Speaker 6: You know, we had when Snoop was here, This was
Speaker 6: a few years ago. We had a conversation about that
Speaker 6: because that's always been on my mind as I got noted,
Speaker 6: like damn, see the Lord stuck it was actually right,
Speaker 6: and Snoop said she was, but it was the way
Speaker 6: she was coming at us.
Speaker 4: And again it's back to that First Amendment thing too,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like it's a layered conversation,
Speaker 4: like you can't tell me I can, Like, where are
Speaker 4: you gonna control my tongue like that? You know, I'm
Speaker 4: an artist, Yeah, let me.
Speaker 8: Do what I do and so and telling yourself out
Speaker 8: means such a different thing years ago than you know.
Speaker 8: A lot of it had to do with people not
Speaker 8: even being informed, right educated on what they could could
Speaker 8: not do, their rights, whether it was publishing, whether there
Speaker 8: was First Amendment rights, whether it was their right to
Speaker 8: own a certain right. You know that they should have
Speaker 8: owned advances. Now these days, people are smarter. So when
Speaker 8: we say that people sell themselves out, I mean it's negative.
Speaker 8: But along the way, you should be selling something right,
Speaker 8: You should be you know, in the marketplace. You should
Speaker 8: be the monopoly that you want to be in the process.
Speaker 8: So I'm glad the times have changed, right, but it's
Speaker 8: definitely different when we talk about who we are today.
Speaker 8: We are more informed in terms of and so we're
Speaker 8: making more decisions, which is which is a good takeaway
Speaker 8: when we're looking back at what was happening in the nineties.
Speaker 1: But some of the times have you understand, Like we
Speaker 1: had an artist up pit the other day. His name
Speaker 1: was Rob four nineties from Louisiana, and he said he
Speaker 1: signed a deal so he could get out.
Speaker 4: Of the hood.
Speaker 5: He knew that if he was still there it.
Speaker 1: Would be problems for him, his family's mother and all that.
Speaker 1: So I had to do the deal to get out it.
Speaker 3: And I know even with.
Speaker 1: Hip hop back then, a lot of artists that's the same, right,
Speaker 1: that was their only way out right. Their music was
Speaker 1: great and they didn't know anything out of it, that's right.
Speaker 1: So people consider that selling, selling their soul, selling themselves
Speaker 1: out for them, they look like, look, I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to get out the hoods on that's.
Speaker 2: Right, And if they had more information that would have
Speaker 2: been better off. That's all.
Speaker 4: Access.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Access.
Speaker 3: Had a couple of questions.
Speaker 6: I want people to describe to the podcast, but when
Speaker 6: it comes to TV and movies, do you have the
Speaker 6: same discretion with the N word and the bware?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I mean I feel like if it's if it's you
Speaker 7: mean in terms of using it, in terms of my
Speaker 7: use of it or the industry's use of it both.
Speaker 7: So I think I am I'm against the gratuitous use
Speaker 7: of the words. Like, I understand all of the arguments
Speaker 7: and all of the defending, but I think what's getting
Speaker 7: lost is I'm referring to the gratuitous use of it. Sure,
Speaker 7: we can talk all day about there are some circumstances
Speaker 7: where that word is the only thing that really you know,
Speaker 7: So I'm aware of all of that. But my my
Speaker 7: issue was, I said, it's the gratuitous use.
Speaker 8: Of it, because I would imagine, right that if you
Speaker 8: get a tight script that takes place in the nineteen sixties,
Speaker 8: what else scripts don't have the word?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: So right, that's that's different.
Speaker 8: And that's what we talk about a lot amongst the
Speaker 8: three of us, is that it does have a place.
Speaker 8: We can't just erase that of history, right, It has
Speaker 8: a place you cannot do certain things without the word
Speaker 8: coming up. It's just where you place it in your
Speaker 8: own life, and that's where you play.
Speaker 5: But I can't go do an August Wilson play period, you.
Speaker 10: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So I get all of that.
Speaker 7: I think my issue is along with the I go
Speaker 7: back to anti black messaging and our music, the gratuitous use.
Speaker 3: Of the N word.
Speaker 7: It's just you know, it's just for me. I'm just like,
Speaker 7: you know, enough already, And again I said enough already.
Speaker 7: But then I also go back to, you know, there's
Speaker 7: so many incredible lyricists who have proven their pin game
Speaker 7: is top notch, and I go, well, just like, elevate
Speaker 7: the shit if all these corny motherfuckers are using nigg
Speaker 7: and bitch in all of their.
Speaker 5: Lyrics and then don't elevate the shit like show them.
Speaker 10: And also when we're in our forties and fifties still
Speaker 10: rapping the same shit we were wrapping in our twenties,
Speaker 10: it's like that's not even you know, like like show
Speaker 10: me some growth, right, like if you're not even giving
Speaker 10: me any integrity in your art.
Speaker 4: An evolution evolution, yeah, and growth, And I like I
Speaker 4: just can't and it's not feeding my soul.
Speaker 5: Can't do it.
Speaker 3: I get you.
Speaker 6: I want to ask you one question about respectability politics,
Speaker 6: because you brought it up. The thing about respectability politics,
Speaker 6: what if the person you're respecting is just truly yourself.
Speaker 3: You're just policing yourself.
Speaker 5: You're saying about respecting the white man.
Speaker 3: And the system, but trying to make the system comfortable.
Speaker 3: I'm just respecting myself. Is that still respectability politics?
Speaker 7: So I bring it up all the time because whenever
Speaker 7: we're talking about that, people go to, well, it doesn't
Speaker 7: matter what people think about us, Like, I'm not even
Speaker 7: talking about white people.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about our own level of self respect. So
Speaker 5: that's all it is. That's always the take that I
Speaker 5: bring up.
Speaker 7: But then it goes it always the conversation always leads
Speaker 7: back to claiming respectability.
Speaker 2: Bok No agreed.
Speaker 8: You know, we have this conversation often where you know,
Speaker 8: you go out, you're not even worrying about any other
Speaker 8: race until somebody reminds you. So most of the things
Speaker 8: you're doing, I'm just doing inside of myself. I'm not
Speaker 8: really concerned about that. Echo what he says.
Speaker 4: I mean, those are very specific and nuanced situations. Each
Speaker 4: its situational right. I think that we've got to center
Speaker 4: ourselves first. I think it's time that, you know, we
Speaker 4: put black folks at the front and really center how
Speaker 4: we move and making our movements based around, uh, the
Speaker 4: greater good, the respectability politics. It happens. It's a it's
Speaker 4: a reality of American culture. And some people choose to
Speaker 4: engage and some people don't.
Speaker 3: You don't seem like the type that's gonna have.
Speaker 5: To engage with.
Speaker 4: I love my people. I love my people.
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