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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning, The Breakfast Club Morning.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is the j n V. Just Hilaris Charlamage the guy.

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Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club. We got some special guests

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Speaker 1: in the building from the Not All Hood podcast. We

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Speaker 1: have Malcolm Jamore Warner where you see Baraka and Candice Kelly.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Thank you, Hey, good to see you.

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Speaker 3: How the brothers and sister feeling good?

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Speaker 4: Life is good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good morning.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's about here, y'all just moved into.

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Speaker 3: It was the first interview in our new studio. That's right. Wow, man,

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Speaker 3: I love the name Not All Hood?

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Speaker 5: Nah.

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Speaker 3: Who came up with that?

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Speaker 5: That was what you'll see?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't even remember for real, for real, Like

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Speaker 4: I was just like, uh nah, Like Malcolm and I

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Speaker 4: have been talking about just the concept of the podcast

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Speaker 4: and how the diversity and who we are and also

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Speaker 4: who we're not, right, So I was like, nah.

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Speaker 6: Nah, Yeah, it feels like that was some I say,

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Speaker 6: all black people from the hood.

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Speaker 4: Nah exactly?

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Speaker 6: Is it that where a lot of people come from

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Speaker 6: poor and disenfranchised environments, but we are not our environment?

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Speaker 4: Like it's just that we come from a bunch of

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Speaker 4: different environments, you know, and I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 4: a lot of media to portraying us either like your

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Speaker 4: hip hop, you're your hip hop or pop culture right,

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Speaker 4: you know, and now we're more than that.

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Speaker 7: It's funny that you actually said that, Charlotmane, because I

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Speaker 7: grew up in I grew up in La in the

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Speaker 7: jungle wow. And my mother used to say to me, Malcolm,

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Speaker 7: we live in the jungle, We're not of the jungle.

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Speaker 7: So she was very clear on me having my sights

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Speaker 7: further than just my neighborhood, which is why she put

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Speaker 7: me in theater. And it was always trying to find

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Speaker 7: things for me to do to keep me, you know,

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Speaker 7: from just going to school and just hanging out, you know.

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Speaker 7: But it was that it was a certain mindset that

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Speaker 7: you know, she instilled in me, like Okay, yeah, we're here,

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Speaker 7: but you know, this doesn't have to define us.

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Speaker 8: And you know what, we are often recognized before we

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Speaker 8: enter into any room and judge right, and sometimes you

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Speaker 8: get the question that you know means you really don't

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Speaker 8: belong here.

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Speaker 2: So when that comes in.

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Speaker 5: Can help you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 2: Can I help you?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 2: Can I help you? Or have I seen you be

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Speaker 2: here here before? Or what are you doing in this neighborhood?

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. One, that's the one.

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Speaker 2: Right, What are you doing this neighbor This is my neighborhood.

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Speaker 3: Why are you here?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Why are you jogging here?

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 2: That you know that you just happened to my father.

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Speaker 8: He would jog in the neighborhood and all the white

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Speaker 8: neighbors would stop him when we first moved in, and

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Speaker 8: they would keep on stopping him. This back in the seventies.

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Speaker 8: So he finally just went to the police station and said,

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Speaker 8: I just need to introduce myself so that when you

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Speaker 8: guys stopped me, you know who you are, and it stopped.

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Speaker 8: But that's kind of an example of what it means

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Speaker 8: when people perceive you beforehand, and what you have to

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Speaker 8: do to go outside of the box to keep improving

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Speaker 8: who you are over and over again. So this really

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Speaker 8: is just an ongoing conversation that we have, Malcolm, let's

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Speaker 8: call a safe space, which it is just to say

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Speaker 8: really what we want about anything about our experiences in America.

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Speaker 8: And that's really kind of key to it too. We

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Speaker 8: but you come to America and there's kind of a

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Speaker 8: sharing to really change this mass narrative that's already out

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Speaker 8: there about us.

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Speaker 2: Creator shift is.

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Speaker 1: A term hood negative though when people say hood sometimes

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Speaker 1: it comes off as negative. I don't take it as

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 7: And I think, you know, part of the you know,

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Speaker 7: the idea of not all hood is hood is not

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Speaker 7: a negative term. Hood is part of the community. Like

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Speaker 7: when we speak of the black community, we always tend

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Speaker 7: to refer to it as if it's a monolist that's right,

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Speaker 7: but they are all these different lanes to the black community,

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Speaker 7: all these levels, all these different lanes, and oftentimes we

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Speaker 7: acknowledge and deal with with all of those levels, all

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Speaker 7: those lanes. So the hood is not a bad thing.

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Speaker 7: We're not all you know, we're not Yes, we are hood,

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Speaker 7: but we're not all hood. And the media, and I

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Speaker 7: think part of it is the media tends to put

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Speaker 7: more focus on one aspect of the black community. Thus

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Speaker 7: we get all the stereotypes and preconceived ideas.

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Speaker 4: And hood comes from like neighborhood, neigh right, and Dayla

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Speaker 4: said it. You know, they called the hood because we're

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Speaker 4: not neighbors anymore, you know what I mean, a lot

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Speaker 4: of times we're not communicating with each other, right, but

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Speaker 4: we we're trying to change that.

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Speaker 2: I did get that question a lot though you have

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Speaker 2: been a podcast. Isn't hood negative?

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Speaker 8: So I understand where you're coming from. But just like

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Speaker 8: they said, it's a neighborhood. I mean, I live in

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Speaker 8: a place where I'm next to a lot of Indian neighborhood,

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Speaker 2: You can still call it the hood. People also associate

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Speaker 8: Hood we're just us, which really, yeah, we're black.

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Speaker 2: So it's just one of those things.

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Speaker 8: It's kind of some damage that the media, the pop culture,

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Speaker 8: the news has done and really trying to define who

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Speaker 8: we are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I never took it as negative. It was always

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Speaker 1: going back to the hood, to mean, I'm going back

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Speaker 1: home to my neighborhood, right exactly wherever it was. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to play basketball in the hood, which was my neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I never took it as oh

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, And you know, we were talking about this yesterday.

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Speaker 8: That also when we talk about being African American, we

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Speaker 8: talk about the trauma that's associated, like that's really all.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 8: We have diabetes and high blood pressure and we're dying

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Speaker 8: and the infomortality rate. But we're happy people too. But

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Speaker 8: we make it to the news when it's bad. You know,

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Speaker 8: we may often make it to the news when it's bad.

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Speaker 8: And so that's another thing that I think this podcast does,

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Speaker 8: I think for the three of us, is just show

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Speaker 8: the joy and what it's like being black and because

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Speaker 8: of the things that are going out there in this

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Speaker 3: Four Lord, every yeah, how did the three of you

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Speaker 3: all come together? How did y'all get together? We will

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Speaker 3: do the left yo, everything on you.

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 7: What you SA and I have been friends for she's

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Speaker 7: for a minute, a long minute.

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Speaker 5: Twenty plus years.

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Speaker 7: We used to both be at the National Back Theater

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Speaker 7: Festival in Winstern, Salem and where you and I met

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Speaker 7: in nineteen ninety nine and we had put on the

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Speaker 7: first poetry jam there and that turned out to be

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Speaker 7: one of the biggest attractions at the theater. We used

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Speaker 7: to call the midnight Poetry Jam. So after you know,

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Speaker 7: all day of theater, you know, in every imaginable performance

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Speaker 7: the to our venue and we would pack out at

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Speaker 7: at midnight and we'd go to like two two thirty.

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Speaker 4: And it was a big attraction, Yeah festival, and then

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Speaker 4: we just kept hanging out yeah Yeah. And then I

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Speaker 4: know link with Cannis from I was doing sort of

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Speaker 4: community organizing and sort of it was a a event with.

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Speaker 2: Ye Yeah.

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Speaker 4: In Morris Town, New Jersey, and we connected there just

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Speaker 4: sort of yeah linked And when macol I decided we

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Speaker 4: were going to do this podcast, we're like, yeah, we

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Speaker 4: need some different voices.

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Speaker 8: In yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: And I do a lot of work, a lot of

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Speaker 8: commentating on various mostly legal cases. I feel in for

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Speaker 8: Roland Martin to Roland Martin unfiltered, and so I'm always

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Speaker 8: running my mouth and when I got on with them,

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Speaker 8: I think I ran my mouth for them to say.

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Speaker 2: You know what, you want to keep talking with us.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I actually do.

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Speaker 8: So, you know, really in that first conversation, we talked

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Speaker 8: we were just on for a long time and it's

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Speaker 8: just a nice everybody was testifying, you know what I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, it really was.

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Speaker 8: It was just a good way to connect and get

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Speaker 7: But the dope things. When Way and I first started talking,

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Speaker 7: we're both older fathers. So the initial idea was to

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Speaker 7: So when we first met with Candis, it was as

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Speaker 7: a producer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to produce this show, that's right.

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Speaker 5: And then we had that meeting, was like, you know,

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Speaker 5: ninety minutes, this is the show.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, We're like, we need to add candas as a

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Speaker 7: host and expand the concept from just you know, the

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Speaker 7: black father perspective.

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Speaker 5: And it turned into yeah, and.

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Speaker 8: I think your wife because your wife is in the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what are some of the topics you guys will

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Speaker 3: be discussing.

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Speaker 4: Black fatherhood an older fathers with younger children?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, how you guys handling that?

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Speaker 4: Yo? What did yours old your youngest so youngest. Only

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Speaker 4: we only have one because I got.

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Speaker 1: A two year old Sol, and then I got a twenty.

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Speaker 3: Two year old.

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Speaker 4: Fifty three, I got a nine year old.

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Speaker 5: I got six, he got four.

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Speaker 6: I'll be forty six and a couple of weeks my

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Speaker 6: youngest two.

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Speaker 3: I got a two year old, five year old, eight

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Speaker 3: year old, and fifteen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so y'all started around when we started.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm fifty three and my daughter just turned seven.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so.

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Speaker 4: You'll have a conversation we're talking about, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean, those those days where they be on, on,

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Speaker 4: go go, you know what I mean, and you gotta

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Speaker 4: just wrap your energy up and and make it happen,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Crazy you say that.

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Speaker 6: My homeboy told me that a long time ago, beause

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Speaker 6: you know, all my homeboys had kids way younger.

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Speaker 6: That is such a great conversation you never hear men

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Speaker 7: My thing about marriage was like, yo, I'm not getting

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Speaker 5: You gotta be.

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Speaker 4: Special, man, where you gots to be special? So I

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Speaker 2: Long way when they were dating.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really was no taking moment.

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Speaker 3: It was good.

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Speaker 4: You guys have boys or girls? Girls?

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Speaker 4: He has four girls I got four girls.

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Speaker 3: You know, I love it. Yeah yeah, I love it,

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Speaker 5: I got two off, but some girls changing.

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Speaker 7: That's always been my biggest thing. Like we see these

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Speaker 5: When I'm smart too.

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Speaker 5: In terms of how she sees herself in characters.

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Speaker 4: a it's a humbling space. Giving my daughter like a

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Yeah, I come from a family of three girls.

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Speaker 8: Like you can you know when they've poured into it,

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Speaker 8: But really, my parents really allowed me to see all

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Speaker 8: It really is powerful to have a powerful father, to

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Speaker 1: I think the funniest thing for girl dads is humbling, right,

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: It takes you out of that that ego place where

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Speaker 5: I think when my daughter was born, I found myself.

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Speaker 7: Like crying all the time, went over like just simple

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Speaker 4: Like baby feet and baby dimples.

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Speaker 2: I was like, what is Oh, they're so cute?

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Speaker 4: Man, opened up a whole other world.

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Speaker 6: It's probably a stupid question. Way, but you hate poetry,

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Speaker 5: No relation? No wow, no relation.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's a loute to the arc. I mean all

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Speaker 1: Now Father's Day is around the corner, do you, guys?

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Speaker 1: As Father's Day important to you guys as much?

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Speaker 5: And for you? Is it important as you?

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Speaker 1: Because for myself I just just want to chill fall

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Speaker 1: that don't need too much. This is a little barbecue

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Speaker 5: What is it for you guys? This?

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Speaker 8: Well, So my father is passed a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 8: I was, you know this morning, all right, we're doing dinner, right,

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 8: it's not the it's not the birthdays of the Christmas

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Speaker 8: But I do remember as my father and he got older,

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Speaker 8: because at some point, you know, you don't need.

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Speaker 2: Socks or clothes or TV or car. You don't need that.

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Speaker 8: What you want is stuff that's really free. Time, respect, love,

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Speaker 5: But that wants to scratch off ticket you.

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Speaker 8: But you know what he wants to see you when

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Speaker 8: you give it to him, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 8: it's not the ticket, Yeah, but if.

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Speaker 2: He wins, you know, you don't want that out.

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Speaker 6: I'm talking about you afraid of being too honest or

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Speaker 7: So you know, I've said that in interviews that this is,

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Speaker 5: But I don't I don't worry about it.

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Speaker 7: I got a good taste of it just this week

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Speaker 7: because we had our you know, first episode on Monday,

449
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Speaker 7: and we were having conversation about the N word and

450
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 7: I had a you know, I made it's really interesting

451
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 7: how many people we're not listening to what I was

452
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 7: saying and took my comments as I was, you know,

453
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 7: I was hating on j Cole. So it's things like that.

454
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 7: And then the way the Instagram, the art of dialogue.

455
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Speaker 5: And other Yeah, the way they worded that's the where

456
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 5: were in right, Like, So I was.

457
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Speaker 7: Like, ah, right, this is the reason why I stopped

458
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,880
Speaker 7: commenting on i G first thing in the morning.

459
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Speaker 3: Malcolm mo say he stopped listening to J Cole.

460
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's play the listen certain the clip here, so

461
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Speaker 1: people undertake.

462
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Speaker 5: What what are you talking about?

463
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Speaker 3: Are you playing it in context?

464
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Speaker 5: Context?

465
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Speaker 1: Because I'm sure we don't have the clip off the

466
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Speaker 1: other clip.

467
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Speaker 5: No, so we're in context.

468
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Speaker 7: Okay, okay, dig it, dig it. So so many people,

469
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 7: you know, they just ignore the fact that I said,

470
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Speaker 7: I love J Cole and I said that most of

471
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,400
Speaker 7: my favorite mcs you know, are guilty of the same

472
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Speaker 7: thing we're talking about, you know, perpetuating, perpetuating anti black

473
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Speaker 7: messaging in our black music.

474
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Speaker 6: So that was really my point. I don't understand. That's

475
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 6: when they lose me. How is that anti black? How

476
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 6: is that N word? Saying you don't like the N

477
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 6: word anti black messaging? Isn't the N word anti black?

478
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Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. My perspective is so much of

479
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 6: our black music.

480
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 7: Today, like you take the Dope Beats Away and you

481
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,959
Speaker 7: just listen to the lyrics lyrically, it's anti black message,

482
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Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying. And we talk about you know,

483
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 7: so much of you know, hip hop today that's trash

484
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 7: and whatnot. But you know, as I said, before they

485
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 7: grew up listening to what we were listening to. Right,

486
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Speaker 7: So we are complicit in, you know, the parts of

487
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 7: hip hop today that we don't like because they grew

488
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 7: up listening to us listening listening to the content is

489
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 7: the same. The scale set is just whack, right, which

490
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Speaker 7: is what makes it stand.

491
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Speaker 4: Out, as they didn't listen to what we were listening to,

492
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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But I think that we

493
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Speaker 4: also had a broader We listened to music when there

494
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Speaker 4: was more than just hip hop. Hip Hop was not

495
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 4: the the juggernaut of music that it is now, right, Okay,

496
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 4: we like, yeah, jazz like like you would, you know,

497
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 4: like we was rocking the salt hall notes, you know

498
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Speaker 4: what I mean, and all these other things, right, you

499
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Speaker 4: know what I mean? Yeah, Like we had these a

500
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Speaker 4: lot of other influences that I think the youth of

501
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Speaker 4: today don't necessarily have aren't necessarily being uh promoted in

502
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Speaker 4: terms of yeah, in terms of balance.

503
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I get exactly what you're saying, because even the

504
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Speaker 6: other genres now are hip hop.

505
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Speaker 4: Right what I'm saying, Like, you know, it's countries, a

506
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Speaker 4: little bit of hip hop, you know what I mean.

507
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Speaker 7: And so much of it, so much of the hip

508
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 7: hop that gets the shine. You know, it's it's the

509
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Speaker 7: anti black message, but that's it's very rarely. There are

510
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 7: not many hip hop songs that are speaking love to

511
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 7: our people. Most of it is very threatening.

512
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Speaker 4: But is that the artists or is that the industry?

513
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 4: Both okay, and.

514
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 5: The end the result is the same.

515
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Speaker 7: The the the psyche on young black boys and girls,

516
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Speaker 7: there's the same whether it's the weather, but.

517
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Speaker 4: If it's young black boys and girl that's on the parents.

518
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, but all parents don't. All parents.

519
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Speaker 7: There's a certain luxury that you and I have in

520
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 7: terms of the time that.

521
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 5: We and our wives can spend with our daughters, right, but.

522
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 7: Everybody, everybody in all families don't have that. So we're

523
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Speaker 7: not talking about, uh, the psyche of young black kids

524
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Speaker 7: who have their parents very involved in their lives and

525
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Speaker 7: showing them balance. We're talking about the ones who.

526
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Speaker 4: Were Let's hold them accountable to the messages. My fault

527
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Speaker 4: this is that this is like.

528
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Speaker 3: I don't think you would you say J Cole had

529
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Speaker 3: the anti black message.

530
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Speaker 7: No, so so for me because Nigga has become you know,

531
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Speaker 7: it's become the staple in hip hop, like it's got

532
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Speaker 7: to be a nigga bitch. That's why I said in

533
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Speaker 7: that clip, I think there should be a moratorium on

534
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 7: both of those words in hip hop because it's it's

535
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 7: at this point, it's corny, it's lazy.

536
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 5: Everybody is using it.

537
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 7: So let's like, you know, you know, there are so

538
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Speaker 7: many brilliant writers and lyricists out there that it's like,

539
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 7: come on, let's let's let's stop our game. We don't

540
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Speaker 7: have to keep doing if everybody's doing it, then come

541
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Speaker 7: on do something different, you know. So my thing with

542
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Speaker 7: with with J Cole, it just I just got to

543
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,719
Speaker 7: a point where I got tired of, you know, hearing

544
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 7: inward and being called inWORD in every hip.

545
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Speaker 5: Hop song I'm listening to.

546
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Speaker 7: And I mentioned J Cole because I love J Cole

547
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 7: and he's such an and an incredible lyrics that when

548
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 7: I hear him just gratuitously use either those words, I'm like, ah,

549
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 7: I mean kind of you know that I have to

550
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 7: tune out. Yeah, doesn't mean doesn't mean I like J

551
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 7: Cole or respect his artistry, his his pen game any less.

552
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 7: I just go all right, I'm d I gotta tune

553
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 7: out because it's not it's not doing it's not bringing me,

554
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 7: it's not feeding me.

555
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 6: So what about the album, like because and this is

556
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 6: the album that I say in the future is gonna

557
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 6: be two of the most important albums of all time.

558
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Speaker 6: Miss Kendrick Lamar, Mister Moralean in the Big Steps jay

559
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Speaker 6: Z four four four. The things that they're discussing on

560
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 6: this album, black men going to therapy, black men doing

561
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Speaker 6: right by the women. You know, uh, issues with our

562
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Speaker 6: father daddy, issues that we fix. Like, to me, those

563
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 6: themes are bigger than the language that they using. Even

564
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Speaker 6: you look at somebody like Tupac. To me, Tupac's themes

565
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 6: were bigger than the language he was using.

566
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 7: People keep saying that about Tupac, but like, and I

567
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Speaker 7: don't want to get into a whole thing about about

568
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 7: but yeah, I listened to his I mean listen to

569
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 7: his There's there's dear Mama, Brenda's got a baby, keep

570
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Speaker 7: your head up.

571
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Speaker 5: And then everything else is.

572
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Speaker 1: Not everything this changes this You got me got a

573
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: bunch of but you know, you know what this conversation

574
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: sounds like. It sounds like you know where you're younger

575
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: and your father said, oh you listen to that, hippiie

576
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: hoppity rap. There's a lot of positivity, all the positive

577
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: artists out there that are spitting right but right people

578
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: listening to music. Those same artists had the same problem.

579
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: If you think about ty lib Quality never.

580
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Speaker 5: Got on radio.

581
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: Most Death never got on radio. Tribe called Quest hardly

582
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: got on radio. We talked about a lot of those

583
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: positive rappers. It was the same thing back then.

584
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 4: Those artists might have a record or too.

585
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: Tell him did get on radio too. He did a

586
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Speaker 1: record to jay z Hot on the single just to

587
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: get by record, that's but it took him a long

588
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: time to get on record. Most definim didn't get really

589
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: on radio, to what miss fab fabulty. So a lot

590
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: of the things that we're talking about was the same thing.

591
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: Coming rarely got on the world, you know what I mean.

592
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: But it's the same thing. It's the same thing as

593
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: what we push Like back then, who's on radio?

594
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Speaker 6: Biggie t I, you know that name had social records

595
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Speaker 6: with socially redeeming.

596
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 5: Value, but the records on radio.

597
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 6: Like my dad used to always try to get me

598
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Speaker 6: to listen to the Honorable Minutes to Lewis Farrakon and

599
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 6: I would sorta reluctantly. When I heard Biggie say deep

600
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 6: like the mind of Farrakhn, I'm like, oh, that's the

601
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 6: brother my daddy's always trying to get me.

602
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 5: So now I really like he was speaking to you.

603
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, d farra CON's a prophet. I think you ought

604
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 6: to listen to it, like, oh, let me pay attention.

605
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 6: So even with the language of a Biggie or whoever,

606
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 6: they can still deliver messaging that makes you get in

607
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 6: the right direction.

608
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: Lauren says, what's the line?

609
00:28:53,280 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 7: Right, So you're ignorant, I'm trying to get to say. Also,

610
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 7: what what what I have to be mindful of as

611
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 7: well is respect politics, not even not not even that,

612
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 7: because that's a whole nother relation, right, But it's more.

613
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 7: I realized that it's way more productive across the board

614
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 7: and for my my own energy and space is instead

615
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 7: of spending time talking about the trash, talking about the

616
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 7: things that I don't like and I think we're all

617
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 7: guilty of, we talked about the negative. But I'm trying

618
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 7: to be more mindful, like even in my in my

619
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 7: conversations with hip hop, be mindful of well instead of

620
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 7: talking about the same thing, which is the negative let

621
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 7: me spend time highlighting.

622
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 5: What I like or like what I love about hip hop?

623
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 7: That right, Mum, I'll write hard for Mumbo Fresh all day,

624
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 7: but even just that, like yeah, thinking about you know,

625
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 7: Norman Sonist got I finally reposted on on Instagram like

626
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 7: seeing these cats I believe really need to have shine?

627
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 7: What stuff complaining that they don't have shine? I got

628
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 7: social media, Like, now I can actually, you know, give

629
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 7: shine to those And I've got I got a following,

630
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 7: I've got a voice, you know, I've got integrity, uh,

631
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 7: a reputation for integrity going for me, So like why

632
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 7: not just use that and spend more time, you know,

633
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 7: speaking about the giving love to the things that make

634
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 7: me feel good.

635
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: But I also think I have evolution to right, you know,

636
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: because I went to Hampton. When I used to drive

637
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: to Hampton, I'm listening to noise because it's keeping me up.

638
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 5: What what what? And I'm thinking I'm the biggest what.

639
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 5: But then when you get a little older, you'd be like,

640
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 5: that's a little noise, right, let me tell about.

641
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 3: I feel like listening to it when I'm working up

642
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: from the South workout. Yeah, but I also grew up

643
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: on goodie mob.

644
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Speaker 4: You know, and I think, you know, it's we've got

645
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 4: more of a balance, right as we get older than one,

646
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 4: we've got we've been exposed to more music, right, So

647
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 4: it's it's a little different now, you know. I mean,

648
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 4: like they still in the in the throes of what's hot,

649
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. The how we access music

650
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 4: is different now because they're just like yo, you know,

651
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 4: point click right, and it's not necessarily about what's on

652
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 4: the radio. It's about what they want to listen to,

653
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 4: which is they've got direct access to that.

654
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 6: You know, can don't wan to as from a woman's perspective,

655
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 6: you know what I find interesting, right, you know, we

656
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 6: have these conversations, but I will never forget Snoop Dogg

657
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 6: and DMX's versus. Right when they did their versus, I

658
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 6: think it was during COVID, and I remember thinking, oh,

659
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 6: this is going to night that boy they finally listened

660
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 6: to Snoop and DMX and it's gonna be a woke

661
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 6: cancel fest on Twitter. But there was people in the comments,

662
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 6: the same people I usually see trying to cancel.

663
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 5: People loving it.

664
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, but how does that make you feel knowing

665
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Speaker 6: you came up in that era of the nineties.

666
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Speaker 3: Is it conflicting that you.

667
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: Know, not at all?

668
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 8: And I'm right in the middle with them in terms

669
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 8: of number I won, the N word and just this

670
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 8: whole idea of music and what it represents because I

671
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 8: know so I love Wu Tang and when I listen

672
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 8: to them, I get like a good energy out, not

673
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 8: just work out, but when something goes wrong sometimes that

674
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 8: music allows you to let stuff out, you know that

675
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 8: you just couldn't get out in the day when you

676
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 8: were with your peers, or when you're on the streets,

677
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 8: you just in the car loud with it. And then

678
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 8: I also think it's how were we brought up and

679
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 8: what do we bring to the table? So the N word,

680
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 8: for example, I mean, I don't know how you were

681
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 8: introduced to itever, but that's shaped probably what the word

682
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 8: means to you, and same with me probably saying to you.

683
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 8: And we all have different things that we bring to

684
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 8: the table, just culturally, and I think that just shifts.

685
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 8: And I'm a firm believer in the First Amendment, like

686
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 8: all the way, because once you start saying no here

687
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 8: and no here, then I'm giving somebody else the authority

688
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 8: to say no to me one day too, and I

689
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 8: don't want that precedent. I don't want them saying, well,

690
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 8: you can't say this and you can't say that just

691
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 8: because of the content of it or the context of it.

692
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: We don't like it at all.

693
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 8: It's like when they try to bring up brack lyrics

694
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 8: when they go to jail in court. Right, I mean,

695
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 8: that doesn't make any sense. We all have the same

696
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 8: equal First Amendment rights and you should fight for them

697
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 8: and use them equally.

698
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Yeah, TikToker yesterday, I

699
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: seen it online. She said the N word, right, she

700
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: got fired from her regular job.

701
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: Oh, this was the girl who was cooking that young lady.

702
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 5: Yes.

703
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: And then in her comments she was.

704
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: Also white by the way, Yes, critical, But this is.

705
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 5: Where I'm gonna close it.

706
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: She said on her TikTok that she didn't apologize because

707
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: it was her first right amendment to say what she

708
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: wanted to say, and she shouldn't have got fired. What's

709
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: your thoughts on somebody like that it is her first

710
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: right amendment?

711
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then there are three different rules.

712
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 8: There's First Amendment rules on TikTok, there's First Amendment rules

713
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 8: at her work, and then that's her own rules of

714
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 8: what she believes about the N word, and all of

715
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 8: them conflicted, and she got exactly what she deserves. She did,

716
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 8: But then that's what happened. That's why you do have

717
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 8: to be careful with it, right. You can't be on

718
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 8: TikTok saying it. I mean, this is a good example.

719
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 8: Person person, No, no, you can't. So you just have

720
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 8: to really understand how to use the First Amendment to

721
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 8: So for example, if you're the KKK, you can walk

722
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 8: march anywhere in America, you just have to get the permit.

723
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: You can't walk on your own. You have to follow

724
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: the rules. She didn't follow the rules. She she she

725
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: didn't follow her own hr rules at work, and that

726
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 2: was her problem.

727
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 5: She did.

728
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: That's right, Like you said, it's also where you came from, right,

729
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: because the N word was a sign of endearment, sure something.

730
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: It was that you know, you really didn't hear the

731
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: extremes of it until I went to Hampton in the South,

732
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: and you'll be like, oh, no, they're not saying it.

733
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 4: As right, right, And that's right rightferent ways, and that's

734
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 4: sort of been part, you know, part of my argument

735
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 4: for a lot of people. It's a term of endearment

736
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: like it's love. There are more interactions that are using

737
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 4: the word that are about love and that are about disrespect.

738
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 4: So you know, and yes, we know the history of it.

739
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 4: We also know that that's mine.

740
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 6: But I also grew up reading stuff like I grew up,

741
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 6: you know, Message to the Black Man by Elijah Muhammad

742
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 6: Bier Malcolm Max, a great book called From Niggas to God.

743
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 6: I think every black man in America should read that.

744
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 6: It's always been I've always been conflicted about using the work.

745
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: Be cause I don't use it as a term. If

746
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 3: it did, right, I use it. I use when Chris

747
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 3: Rock showed me the difference, I use it for that,

748
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: right Right.

749
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 7: There's a I think last time I was here, I

750
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 7: quoted doctor Daniel Black, and I'm gonna quote him again.

751
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 5: He says, why should I borrow a word.

752
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 7: From people who hate me when I'm trying to speak

753
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 7: love to my brothers and sisters. Right, So I go

754
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 7: back to uh to comrade, you know the term black

755
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 7: panther Party used Reggie Mason, you know, brought it back

756
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 7: up to me.

757
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,479
Speaker 5: So I've been on this this.

758
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 7: Comrade campaign, like you know, if I'm trying to speak

759
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 7: love to my brother, will comrade, I get the idea

760
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 7: of you know, the N words, the term of endearment,

761
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 7: but it's a colonizer's word, so.

762
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 4: Language colonized, so like like it's not our language. English

763
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 4: is not our language.

764
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 5: Sure, but I'm not but I'm not going to use it.

765
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 7: I I'm at the point in my life where I question,

766
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 7: what's the what's the sense in using a colonizer's word was,

767
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 7: which was a uh, intentionally derogatory word to describe us?

768
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 7: Why do I want to borrow that particular word and

769
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 7: go through the the hoops of Oh it's it's positive

770
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 7: so for me and just so just for me personally,

771
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 7: I'm I'm comrade, you know, and and I use it

772
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 7: in both scenarios.

773
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 5: That's my comrade.

774
00:36:55,120 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 3: Anytime you also said, we showed our coach out hip hop.

775
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 4: And it's uh industry wise, it's sort of the bigger picture,

776
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 4: right because they did it the jazz like they co

777
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 4: opted it and used it for their own purposes.

778
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 7: But there wasn't messages and jazz that were going to

779
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 7: have an effect. I mean, ye, black people see them.

780
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, I mean we sort ourself out. But

781
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: I also feel like, from a macro perspective, this is

782
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 4: going to be The civil rights movement created a lot

783
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 4: of opportunities and it shifted the mentality that made many

784
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 4: of us very passive. You know.

785
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I integrated my people into a

786
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: burning house.

787
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 4: Into a burning house, right, Yeah, we had it was.

788
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 3: More of a sentive independence. Yeah, I get what you're saying.

789
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 5: Mhm, people's.

790
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 4: Man, my godfather, don't call me and be like young man.

791
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, yeah, like it's it's heavy, it's

792
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 4: a lot, and I'm like, ah, you got me a

793
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 4: pinch right now.

794
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 2: I know what you originally said. You said that we

795
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: sold ourselves out.

796
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 5: Okay.

797
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 2: In terms of music on the podcast, yeah yeah.

798
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 7: I mean even I mean, you know, there was a

799
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 7: term and hip hop artists talk about it when the

800
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 7: record labels say to them, this is what you have

801
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 7: to rap about, and this is what we're paying for

802
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 7: you to write.

803
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 5: Right.

804
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 7: So it's you know, and again I say, in a

805
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 7: lot of ways, we are generation. You know, we are

806
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 7: complicit in what we see, you know, the state of

807
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 7: hip hop.

808
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 5: Uh in the younger generation. That's you know, we allowed

809
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 5: that for the dollars. I'm gonna get a T shirt

810
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 5: that says right.

811
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 6: You know, we had when Snoop was here, This was

812
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 6: a few years ago. We had a conversation about that

813
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 6: because that's always been on my mind as I got noted,

814
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 6: like damn, see the Lord stuck it was actually right,

815
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 6: and Snoop said she was, but it was the way

816
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 6: she was coming at us.

817
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 4: And again it's back to that First Amendment thing too,

818
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like it's a layered conversation,

819
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 4: like you can't tell me I can, Like, where are

820
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 4: you gonna control my tongue like that? You know, I'm

821
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 4: an artist, Yeah, let me.

822
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 8: Do what I do and so and telling yourself out

823
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 8: means such a different thing years ago than you know.

824
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 8: A lot of it had to do with people not

825
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 8: even being informed, right educated on what they could could

826
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 8: not do, their rights, whether it was publishing, whether there

827
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 8: was First Amendment rights, whether it was their right to

828
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 8: own a certain right. You know that they should have

829
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 8: owned advances. Now these days, people are smarter. So when

830
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 8: we say that people sell themselves out, I mean it's negative.

831
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 8: But along the way, you should be selling something right,

832
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 8: You should be you know, in the marketplace. You should

833
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 8: be the monopoly that you want to be in the process.

834
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 8: So I'm glad the times have changed, right, but it's

835
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 8: definitely different when we talk about who we are today.

836
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 8: We are more informed in terms of and so we're

837
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 8: making more decisions, which is which is a good takeaway

838
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 8: when we're looking back at what was happening in the nineties.

839
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: But some of the times have you understand, Like we

840
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: had an artist up pit the other day. His name

841
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: was Rob four nineties from Louisiana, and he said he

842
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: signed a deal so he could get out.

843
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 4: Of the hood.

844
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 5: He knew that if he was still there it.

845
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: Would be problems for him, his family's mother and all that.

846
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: So I had to do the deal to get out it.

847
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 3: And I know even with.

848
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: Hip hop back then, a lot of artists that's the same, right,

849
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: that was their only way out right. Their music was

850
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: great and they didn't know anything out of it, that's right.

851
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: So people consider that selling, selling their soul, selling themselves

852
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: out for them, they look like, look, I'm just trying

853
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: to get out the hoods on that's.

854
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: Right, And if they had more information that would have

855
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: been better off. That's all.

856
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 4: Access.

857
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Access.

858
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 3: Had a couple of questions.

859
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 6: I want people to describe to the podcast, but when

860
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 6: it comes to TV and movies, do you have the

861
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 6: same discretion with the N word and the bware?

862
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 5: Yeah?

863
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 7: I mean I feel like if it's if it's you

864
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 7: mean in terms of using it, in terms of my

865
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 7: use of it or the industry's use of it both.

866
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 7: So I think I am I'm against the gratuitous use

867
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 7: of the words. Like, I understand all of the arguments

868
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 7: and all of the defending, but I think what's getting

869
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 7: lost is I'm referring to the gratuitous use of it. Sure,

870
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 7: we can talk all day about there are some circumstances

871
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 7: where that word is the only thing that really you know,

872
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 7: So I'm aware of all of that. But my my

873
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 7: issue was, I said, it's the gratuitous use.

874
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 8: Of it, because I would imagine, right that if you

875
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 8: get a tight script that takes place in the nineteen sixties,

876
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 8: what else scripts don't have the word?

877
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 5: Right?

878
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 2: So right, that's that's different.

879
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 8: And that's what we talk about a lot amongst the

880
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 8: three of us, is that it does have a place.

881
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 8: We can't just erase that of history, right, It has

882
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,959
Speaker 8: a place you cannot do certain things without the word

883
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 8: coming up. It's just where you place it in your

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Speaker 8: own life, and that's where you play.

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Speaker 5: But I can't go do an August Wilson play period, you.

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Speaker 10: Know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: So I get all of that.

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Speaker 7: I think my issue is along with the I go

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Speaker 7: back to anti black messaging and our music, the gratuitous use.

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Speaker 3: Of the N word.

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Speaker 7: It's just you know, it's just for me. I'm just like,

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Speaker 7: you know, enough already, And again I said enough already.

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Speaker 7: But then I also go back to, you know, there's

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Speaker 7: so many incredible lyricists who have proven their pin game

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Speaker 7: is top notch, and I go, well, just like, elevate

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Speaker 7: the shit if all these corny motherfuckers are using nigg

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Speaker 7: and bitch in all of their.

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Speaker 5: Lyrics and then don't elevate the shit like show them.

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Speaker 10: And also when we're in our forties and fifties still

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Speaker 10: rapping the same shit we were wrapping in our twenties,

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Speaker 10: it's like that's not even you know, like like show

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Speaker 10: me some growth, right, like if you're not even giving

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Speaker 10: me any integrity in your art.

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Speaker 4: An evolution evolution, yeah, and growth, And I like I

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Speaker 4: just can't and it's not feeding my soul.

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Speaker 5: Can't do it.

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Speaker 3: I get you.

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Speaker 6: I want to ask you one question about respectability politics,

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Speaker 6: because you brought it up. The thing about respectability politics,

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Speaker 6: what if the person you're respecting is just truly yourself.

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Speaker 3: You're just policing yourself.

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Speaker 5: You're saying about respecting the white man.

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Speaker 3: And the system, but trying to make the system comfortable.

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Speaker 3: I'm just respecting myself. Is that still respectability politics?

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Speaker 7: So I bring it up all the time because whenever

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Speaker 7: we're talking about that, people go to, well, it doesn't

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Speaker 7: matter what people think about us, Like, I'm not even

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Speaker 7: talking about white people.

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Speaker 5: I'm talking about our own level of self respect. So

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Speaker 5: that's all it is. That's always the take that I

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Speaker 5: bring up.

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Speaker 7: But then it goes it always the conversation always leads

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Speaker 7: back to claiming respectability.

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Speaker 2: Bok No agreed.

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Speaker 8: You know, we have this conversation often where you know,

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Speaker 8: you go out, you're not even worrying about any other

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Speaker 8: race until somebody reminds you. So most of the things

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Speaker 8: you're doing, I'm just doing inside of myself. I'm not

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Speaker 8: really concerned about that. Echo what he says.

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Speaker 4: I mean, those are very specific and nuanced situations. Each

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Speaker 4: its situational right. I think that we've got to center

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Speaker 4: ourselves first. I think it's time that, you know, we

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Speaker 4: put black folks at the front and really center how

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Speaker 4: we move and making our movements based around, uh, the

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Speaker 4: greater good, the respectability politics. It happens. It's a it's

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Speaker 4: a reality of American culture. And some people choose to

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Speaker 4: engage and some people don't.

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Speaker 3: You don't seem like the type that's gonna have.

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Speaker 5: To engage with.

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Speaker 4: I love my people. I love my people.

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Speaker 1: And well, the podcast Not All Hood is streaming everywhere,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate you guys for joining us. Malcolm, Jamal Warner,

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Speaker 1: where you see Baraka and kandas Kelly. Thank you guys

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Speaker 1: so much.

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Speaker 5: Morning.

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Speaker 4: Wake that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 5: The Breakfast Club