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Speaker 1: Welcome back to gear Talk everyone. Jordan here and I've

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Speaker 1: got Iannis with me up. Dude, what's new? What is new?

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Speaker 1: It's not new. It's the same old, same old, which

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Speaker 1: is a lot of snow here in Montana. Just when

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Speaker 1: believing it because if you go buy snow turtles at

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Speaker 1: the local ski resort up at Bridger, it's like two

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Speaker 1: have a feeling it's a result of having multiple poor winters,

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Speaker 1: low snow packs, and then we come to a normal

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Speaker 1: snow and it's cold. Even Steve Ronnello is telling me

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Speaker 1: yesterday these like it's so there's so much snow that

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Speaker 1: my snowmobiles are snowed in. I can't even get him out.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I hunted lions the not yesterday, but the

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Speaker 1: two days prior to that, which, again, when I say

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Speaker 1: hunting lions, it means I'm out hiking, snowmobiling, driving a

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Speaker 1: to do with the lions themselves physically. But I hunted

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Speaker 1: with Jason Red, who owns Timber Ninja Outdoors makes climbing sticks, saddles,

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Speaker 1: really cool, high end stuff for the white sailed world.

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Speaker 1: He came out because he had never been in Montana,

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Speaker 1: had never done the mountain hound hunting thing, so I said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: bit of pitch, my poor little ski doo tundra just

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Speaker 1: make it out of there. But it's literally too deep

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Speaker 1: snow if you put your ski hiking pole just down

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Speaker 1: in the snowpack a lot of places you could put

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Speaker 1: and push it, push your hand all the way down

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Speaker 1: like walking walking a trail that was packed out. The

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Speaker 1: is at Mingus' is the top of his head, and

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Speaker 1: he's a tall dog. He can put his head on

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Speaker 1: So anyway, it's still lion hunting, still looking, but uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's uh it is what it is. It's snowy soon

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Speaker 1: it'll become travelable where you can hike on top of it.

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Speaker 1: And not only well, I build a hike on top it,

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Speaker 1: try again this weekend one day and ross gross my fingers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So you've got hunters out right now as you're recording

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Speaker 1: this podcast. He dropped them off this morning and they're

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Speaker 1: I've killed several birds in one to six inches of

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Speaker 1: Instagram when I was telling them to go listen to

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Speaker 1: our last episode about Knife Sharpening, which is a great

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Speaker 1: informative episode. I got a lot of positive feedback on

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Speaker 1: loss for words. It's gotten excited to try sharpening their

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Speaker 1: own knives. I'm one of them after that podcast. And

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Speaker 1: then I got like the field sharpener and I took

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Speaker 1: a couple of knives, and man, once you start doing

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Speaker 1: it and like get into it, it's I don't want

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Speaker 1: to say it's fun, but it's like pretty rewarding doing

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Speaker 1: your own stuff, which I have always just avoided in

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Speaker 1: the past. Yeah, it forces you to slow down. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of a kind of a meditation therapeutic session, just

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Speaker 1: the skill, you really feel proud of yourself and it's like,

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Speaker 1: all right, yeah, I made this thing sharp. And especially

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Speaker 1: But what I was gonna say, My point to this

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Speaker 1: feel like we're I don't know if it's just this podcast,

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Speaker 1: when we want to do this podcast, it's not about that.

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Speaker 1: It's about educating everyone about gear, including ourselves. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot That's why we have experts on. Like today, we've

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Speaker 1: got Taylor Chamberlain on who has killed truckloads more dear

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Speaker 1: gonna talk to him about broadheads because I don't know

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Speaker 1: if there's anybody else possibly living alive in this country

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there is, But anyways, I want to make

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Speaker 1: you're doing it backwards. Getting out and doing it should

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Speaker 1: always be the number one goal. And I don't want

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Speaker 1: So if you need gas money, truck money, whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: the basics, don't buy new gear. You can always make

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Speaker 1: it work somehow if you want it bad enough. Now,

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Speaker 1: when you do decide that you need a new soft

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Speaker 1: learned on the gear Talk podcast, you'll be more informed

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Speaker 1: getting the better product or the product the better suits you,

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Speaker 1: and you'll end up having better experiences. So, um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, that's not like a PSA. What is that.

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Speaker 1: It's just like it's my statement. Yeah, it's a statement.

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Speaker 1: And something too I think people got to keep in

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Speaker 1: Steve on just to say that work sharpeners are the best. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We just talked about sharpening knives and that's pretty universal

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Speaker 1: with all sharpeners. I mean it really is. So we

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Speaker 1: just want. I feel like we want to make a

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Speaker 1: What's New. And because Jordan and I are doing this podcast,

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Speaker 1: we've been in touch with a lot of companies that

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Speaker 1: going to happen, but we get so much stuff whether

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Speaker 1: it because I wanted to check it out. A bunch

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Speaker 1: But a lot of times, take for instance, we just

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Speaker 1: Jordan I both got a big box stayer water filtration

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Speaker 1: products and I'm very gracious for that. I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: it looks interesting. I hadn't heard about it, or I

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Speaker 1: so many know. I'm out in Nebraska on the ranch

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Speaker 1: Taylor haunts suburban deer around Washington, DC around between one

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Speaker 1: this overabundant resource to help provide for people in need,

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00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: which we also have a lot of here in the

426
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: DC area. So we're able to feed the homeless with them,

427
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: take them to food banks, get them to churches, and

428
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: have that food kind of disseminate out into you know,

429
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: the world or this little area of our community and

430
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: help people out. So it's really a good use for

431
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: the overabundance of them. But you know, with hunting them

432
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: year round comes a lot of responsibility, and that's kind

433
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: of what we're going to get into with the broadheads.

434
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: But you know, some of the parcels that I'm hunting

435
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: are as small as a quarter acre. I have properties

436
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: that are very near some three letter government buildings that

437
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: you guys have definitely heard about that I do not

438
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: want a deer to cross into. I don't want it

439
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 1: to get near the fence or the parking lot. The

440
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: last thing I need is to show up in my

441
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: camo and try and explain to somebody who is not

442
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: familiar with hunting, what the heck I'm coming out of

443
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: the woods doing so shot placement and your equipment is.

444
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: I can't imagine a place that it's more critical than

445
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: where I'm hunting. But I imagine if if if the

446
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: property you're hunting is a quarter acre, you've got to

447
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: be thinking ahead and getting permission on the neighboring properties

448
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: so that if something doesn't happen just by plan, the

449
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: deer does you know, hop into the neighbor's backyard that

450
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: you've already figured that out? No, oh yeah, yeah, a

451
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: core acre spot, there's almost zero chance that that deer

452
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: is expiring on that property. I mean, you can get

453
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: kind of in the corner, and I get you know,

454
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: shot placement is really key, right if you we can

455
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: go down into this rabbit hole, but if you can

456
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: hit them tight and kind of top of the heart

457
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: and right behind that crease of the shoulder to where

458
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: they're they're snow plowing, their chest will actually work like

459
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: an air brake and they'll only go about fifteen twenty

460
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: yards as opposed to like a true heart shot deer

461
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 1: whose lungs are still functioning, that deer might go one

462
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five yards. So every little inch counts

463
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: in shot placement. But to answer your question, yes, you

464
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: need to get permission or think about which way the

465
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: deer going to go. But that's a double edged swords,

466
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: so you also have to factor into what I'm doing

467
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: here in the suburb as people are very polarized on

468
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: the idea of hunting. Some people that have lived here

469
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: for a while understand that the dey are overpopulated and

470
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: they need to go. But the majority of people that

471
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: I talk to, and I'm not trying to generalize, is

472
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: just the fact of the matter. You know, DC is

473
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: a highly transient area and not a lot of people

474
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: have been exposed to hunting, and even if they have

475
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: been exposed to hunting in some manner, their idea of

476
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: hunting is much different than us as hunters portray ourselves

477
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: and make a point to do right. I mean, we're

478
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: all knowledgeable and upstanding hunters. That's not exactly the kind

479
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: of feeling that a lot of homeowners have around hunting

480
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: that haven't been exposed to it. So you have to

481
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: be careful when you get permission. I mean, first and foremost,

482
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: it's so difficult to get permission once you get it.

483
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: If you know the deer is going to run one way,

484
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: you need to have that discussion either with that homeowner

485
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: or the owner of that property. But also the last

486
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: thing you want is to go over there and have

487
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: that person freak out, and now you have two neighbors

488
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: that are going at it. There's pretty much zero chance

489
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: you're going to keep permission in the event of that happening.

490
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: So you have to be kind of cognizant of the

491
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: risk you're taking by preemptively asking for a track and

492
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: retrieve is what I call it permission, But most people

493
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: don't want a dead deer on their property. Only once

494
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: in my life, if I had somebody tell me no

495
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: that I wasn't allowed to recover a deer on their property,

496
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: which was a very interesting situation to say the least.

497
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, to continue to continue paying paying the

498
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: picture I want to talk about so again when that

499
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: later we're talking about the performance. It's of all these

500
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: different types of broadheads. People can understand how you were

501
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: applying these broadheads and what the situation was like. So

502
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: we know you're suburban DC. You're in a tree, I'm

503
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: guessing all the time or most of the time, so

504
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: you're shooting from an from an angle downwards. I'm all

505
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: always elevated. Um, I'm I'm kind of lazy by nature.

506
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: So if there's a playground set or something that's available,

507
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: or a deck, um, you know, you don't need to

508
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: reinvent the wheel. You don't have to go climb a tree.

509
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: But I'm never not hunting from or not shooting from

510
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: an elevated position. Okay, worked great? Yeah, because the deer

511
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: used to having uh kids and whoever hanging out in

512
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: a right so it's not out of place. Oh what's

513
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: the average shot distance? I will not shoot over twenty yards. Um.

514
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: Shop placement accuracy is one hundred percent the most important thing.

515
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes I mentor a lot of new urban hunters that

516
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: are getting into this, and I tell them that sometimes

517
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: the best shot you can take is not taking a

518
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: shot at all, because the downside for a wounded animal

519
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: in a highly populated neighborhood or a deer ending up

520
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: in a pool or whatever, is way worse than harvesting

521
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: that animal. So I will not take a shot over

522
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: twenty yards the average shot like my perfect shot, and

523
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: he's anywhere from like twelve to sixteen yards. I would

524
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: say that ninety five percent of the deer that I've

525
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: harvested in my life have been between twelve and fifteen yards. Okay, nice,

526
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: we're a shot placement wise, where are you looking to

527
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: shoot one? I know you just talked about like the

528
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: act of airbreak? Can you talk about that a little

529
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: bit more? Absolutely, I'm very visual person, so everybody's different,

530
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: But I think of a deer's front two legs as

531
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: holding up a balloon. So think of like chopsticks that

532
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: are carrying around like a kid's soccer ball, right, And

533
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: that three D image has always worked for me depending

534
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: on how that animal is quartering. So animals quartering to you,

535
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: horrible shot, Do not recommend it. You guys have spent

536
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: a ton of time in the woods or in the

537
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: field rather with guiding. I'm sure you've seen every shot

538
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: in the world. A lot of people tend to lose

539
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: their metal with an animal facing towards them, and they

540
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: inherently want to still aim at the crease, and you

541
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: just end up with like very little bit of one

542
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: long liver shot. That's not what we want. So if

543
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: you think of those legs kind of holding up the

544
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: ball as that critter is walking around, that helps me

545
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: visualize where the armor plating is. Basically on an animal,

546
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: which is your you know, the shoulder blades, the front breastbone.

547
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: If you think of the way our anatomy is, it's

548
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: very similar to a deer. It's just we're vertical. So

549
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: I think of that little balloon or that little soccer

550
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: ball walking around, and I just try to pop that ball.

551
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: And I've tried a lot of different kind of methodologies

552
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: for a shot, aiming, whether it's aimed for the crease

553
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: or aimed for the exit. Aiming for the exit works

554
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: really well, but for me, just kind of like threading

555
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: an arrow through that balloon is just it works with

556
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: my head, so you know, in a sense, I'm aiming

557
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: for the exit. But that always helps with that animal,

558
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: especially when they're quartered away. I find it really helps

559
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: when the leg If that front leg is back when

560
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: they're feeding, I can still see where those vitals are

561
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: and put it through there. But I really like to

562
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: be tight into that that soccer ball, which is very

563
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: tight behind the legs. So if you look at the

564
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: anatomy of a deer, the shoulder comes down and then

565
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: comes back and there's a little v there which is

566
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: right in front of the crease. If you hit them

567
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: right there, all the ligaments for their legs are kind

568
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: of in that area, and their legs will not work.

569
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: So a lot of people think they're shooting through the shoulder.

570
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: You're actually not shooting through the shoulder. You're below the

571
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: shoulder bone. That scapulus sits at kind of a forty

572
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: five degree angle. By coming in, it actually kind of

573
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: goes forward, and then then the humorous sort of comes

574
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: back towards what I would call the elbow, and then

575
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: from the elbow the leg goes straight down correct and

576
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: so it gives the appearance of it's being completely vertical,

577
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: which in mind the interthal brain I see as chopsticks

578
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: holding up a little balloon, but in reality, by putting

579
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: it right through there, you're cutting through a lot of

580
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: connective tissue that they used to operate their legs. And

581
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: so if I'm hunting, especially on a quarter acre spot,

582
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: and mind you you know, this is all incredibly specific

583
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: for inside twenty yards. I'm six foot three, i have

584
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: a seventy pound draw weight, and I'm shooting a thirty

585
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: thirty and a half inch draw So thirty and a

586
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: quarter is my actual drawing. So this is not, you know,

587
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: the same for if my wife were to be a hunter,

588
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: her setup would be very different, and I maybe would

589
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: even tell her to aim potentially a little further back

590
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: than this. But for me specifically, I love hitting them

591
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 1: right in that little v where that bone has has

592
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: gotten out of the way. Their legs will not work,

593
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: and they will they will just run on their chest

594
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 1: for about ten to twelve yards and just expire. So

595
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: that's a textbook perfect shot for me. Broadside. So if

596
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: that animal is quartered away slightly it started to cut

597
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: you off, it's harder to put it in that pocket

598
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: and still have a perfect shot. I do not like

599
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: a pinwheeled heart like you know those pictures you see online,

600
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: if everybody holding up the heart that's got the perfect

601
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: shot through it. I find that a heart shot deer,

602
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: especially low heart shot, or if you nick the top

603
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: of the heart in the front. You know, people will say, oh,

604
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: I think the deer getting an adrenaline dump or something.

605
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true, as much as their

606
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: lungs are still functioning and therefore their muscles are still

607
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: able to function, and so they're dead on their feet.

608
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: But I've seen deer around one hundred and twenty one

609
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty yards perfect blood trail out out both sides,

610
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: just because their lungs were able to function instead of

611
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: them being able to expire faster. And that for me

612
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: is a horrible situation because now I have more cleanup

613
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: duty and a deer that's three properties over. You know

614
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: that is now a problem. Right for most of us,

615
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: we'd be like, sweet, he ran one hundred yards and

616
00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, no, exactly, I'm watching it from the tree,

617
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: like go down, go down, go down, go down, right,

618
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: even though you saw, yeah, you got to see the

619
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: deer fall down, which is the best feeling ever, in

620
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: my opinion, is when you shoot an arrow and you

621
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: actually get to see the critter fall over. I mean,

622
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: the relief that sets over me is incredible. But for you,

623
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: if it doesn't happen in fifteen yards, uh yeah, your

624
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: night just got a little bit longer. But tell me,

625
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: so I know kind of where you're aiming and what

626
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: roughly where you want the arrow to go. But tell

627
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: me exactly a perfect shot, what would the broadhead be

628
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: cutting inside the deer? Like, what does a perfect shot

629
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: look like inside the deer? A absolute perfect shot would

630
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: be cutting the blood vessels, like the the main arteries

631
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: that are coming off the top part of that heart

632
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: and just smashing where they connect to the bottom of

633
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: the ones there and and getting all that lung. So

634
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: what that's going to create is like instant I mean,

635
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: first off, that diaphragm is popped. Hopefully that deer was

636
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: just slightly quartered away like two degrees, so it's smashed

637
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: through that v that we talked about with where the

638
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: scapula and the leg bone come back. It's taken out

639
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: those top arteries coming off the heart. It's not cutting

640
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: the heart. That would be super specific and it's putting

641
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: a giant hole in the lungs to where they're deflated

642
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: and filled with blood and they're not going to function.

643
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 1: That deer goes twelve yards, maybe twenty. I like it

644
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: nice pass through. I also like to also like to

645
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: eat the heart. So the heart I don't want to

646
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: like smash up because I want to be able to

647
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: fry it perfectly when I get home. You know, I'm

648
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: very addicted to deer hunting, but I'm also not a

649
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: small person and I really like eating venison. So it's

650
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: nice to have. Um, what what's your method for frying heart? Butter?

651
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: Baby butter and a little bit of interesting No, are

652
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: you breading it at all? No? Fright and butter straight up,

653
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: straight up butter, salt and pepper, cave man. Yeah, I have,

654
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: um what's the salt SPG from a company called Kinders.

655
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: It's pretty easy to find here. It's in like the

656
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: rub aisle. It's a salt, pepper and garlic. And that

657
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: was some butter, a little bit of onion, uh low

658
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: heat or more of a seer, more of like a

659
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: seer fry. Okay, I know we're we're getting on frying

660
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: heart here, but One other question is how do you

661
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: clean it up? Because some people Steve Ronella, he basically

662
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: just cuts the top off of it, discards that, and

663
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: then just goes down cutting it, cutting slices. If you

664
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,479
Speaker 1: were cutting across an apple to make the cute little

665
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: star in the it all, He'll just go down the

666
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: heart like that, cut slices right into the pan. I

667
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: personally like to trim the whole outside, then open it

668
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 1: up like a green pepper and trim any funky looking

669
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: stuff on the inside. Where do you land on that?

670
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: That's exactly exactly how I am. I trim all my

671
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: stuff like very detailed trimming. Um I don't I find

672
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: that it tastes way better. In my opinion, it's probably

673
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: a placebo effect. But if I trim it all up, UM,

674
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: I just think that that tastes like a completely almost

675
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: completely different kind of meat than it does when you

676
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: just you know good. Is Steve's method of just whacking

677
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: it and throwing it in there. But the heart that

678
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: you cooked in Idaho, which I think was Jordan's cab,

679
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: that was some of the best heart I've ever had.

680
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: That heart tasted completely different than white tailed heart from

681
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: the Berbs. Eating shrubbery and flowers grass. Yeah, huh, that's interesting.

682
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: The venison here tastes completely different also while we get

683
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole. But um, I think it's because

684
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: of what they're eating. I mean, they're basically living off

685
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: the equivalent of deer taco bell compared to um deer

686
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: that live in you know, an area with ag right,

687
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: a lot of herb besides past the sides, right, Is

688
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: that what you're saying, that just the stuff right? Part

689
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 1: of the problem, that part of what creates the deer

690
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: problem that we have here in the suburbs is the

691
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: fact that we've taken you know, relatively poor habitat for

692
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: deer in a very aging, mixed hardwood forest, which is

693
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: like pretty much all this area is, and we've replaced

694
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 1: it with manicured lawns and landscaping and all this stuff

695
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: that the deer can thrive on. So now they just

696
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: eat hastas and grass and you know stuff that is

697
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: is I don't know how that falls on the quality

698
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: spectrum for them, but it's allowing them to reproduce and

699
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, thrive here. But it's not the best quality

700
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: food as my understanding, So I think that that's kind

701
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: of what leads to a lower quality venison. I'd be

702
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: interesting to try to figure that out if there's a

703
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: way to like quantify it, like the nutrients in uh

704
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: hastas and daffodils versus um, you know, corn. Yeah, yeah,

705
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: But I mean, when I shoot a deer in Kansas,

706
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: let's say, or like a mulier. Mulier doesn't count because

707
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: it's a different species. But when I shoot a white

708
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 1: tail in Kansas, that venison tastes completely different than one

709
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: in Ohio or one here from a backyard. Interesting. I

710
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 1: always have a hard time. My brother in law gives

711
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: me some crap a little bit because my mind bags

712
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: will just say grind and there could be elk in

713
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: their mule, deer, pronghorn, whatever I've killed that year. It

714
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: all gets ground. Usually at the same time. It all

715
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: gets made into some sausage. But I don't have packages

716
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: labeled elk burger, antelope burger. It's just all it's the same.

717
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I can't once it's in a burger,

718
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: I can't tell. But he feels like he can really tell,

719
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: and everything all the animals have to stay separate. But anyways, um,

720
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: all right, we gotta get to broadheads here eventually. Um.

721
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: But a couple other set up questions. I'm glad that

722
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: you mentioned your your drawway, your length, UM, draw length

723
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: all tell me too? Uh? What's uh? How heavy? I

724
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: don't want to quite get to the broadheads yet. Let's

725
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: let's do this one first. Are you looking through? Are

726
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: you looking for a pass through? Why are we not? Yeah?

727
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: I want two holes. I want and I specifically want

728
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: a hole that exit hole. Being lower to the ground

729
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: creates a much easier blood trail to find and follow.

730
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: So a lot of the hunts that I'm doing now

731
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: this is managing a deer heard. These are cull hunts.

732
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm not shooting just one deer and getting down unless

733
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: I hear a splash or some tires slam and somebody's screaming.

734
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: You know. Generally, I'm hunting doze, and if I'm in

735
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: a pocket where there are dose present, generally another family

736
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,479
Speaker 1: group is going to come through, And so I'm able

737
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: to maximize my efficiency by shooting a couple. More So,

738
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: for me, I might shoot two, three deer and a sit.

739
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 1: I stopped shooting at four because I've found after four

740
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: the blood trails really cross and you start following your

741
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: same path in the woods. It's kind of funny how easy.

742
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you're in a backyard, you can see landmarks,

743
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: but when you're looking down following blood. I can't tell

744
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: you how many times you'll pick your head up and

745
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I've already been here. You know you

746
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: have to go back around. It's very weird. And also

747
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: those deer will often run on the same trail and

748
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: then they'll split off, so it really gets mixed in.

749
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 1: But I stopped shooting it four. I've found that after

750
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: four it really turns helter skelter. But I want that

751
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: pass through. I want to find my arrow immediately. I

752
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: use a lot of white on my arrows so I

753
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: can quickly look at them and verify that what the

754
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: image that is burdened in my head of what I

755
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: saw at the shot and saw what happened, I'm now verifying,

756
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: so there's not you know, gut matter or anything on

757
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: the arrow. Although I will caution people, I can't tell

758
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: you how many times I've shot a deer like perfectly

759
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: watched it run and expire and if it's early in

760
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 1: the season, maybe got some of that diaphragm, and they'll

761
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: be like some green bile on my arrow, and I'm

762
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: how is that possibly on there? Well, it's just kind

763
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: of exiting through. Especially if it's a hard quartered away

764
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: deer and that arrow is exiting kind of in front

765
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: of that offside shoulder, you can catch diaphragm and get

766
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: gut bile whatever on there. So don't always go with

767
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: you know what's on the arrow, But the arrow is

768
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: a phenomenal indicator of what happened. And I'm a huge

769
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: advocate for all white. Plus white is one of the

770
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: rarest colors except for you, Yanni, because I think you

771
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: said it's snow to don there. But white is very

772
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: rare in the woods, so it's normally very easy to

773
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: find white, whereas, like I used to run blaze orange

774
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: stuff on all my fletchings and wraps that can be

775
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: surprisingly hard to find, especially in fall foliage. So I

776
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: want to pass through. I want that lower hole, and

777
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: I really want white everything so I can find my arrow,

778
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: identify what's on it, and fallow that blood trail from there. Yeah,

779
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: just gonna say wraps can be really nice if you

780
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: have them in white, because it just gives you more

781
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: surface area for that blood to get on or whatever

782
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: it is, because sometimes, like on fletchings, it's just it's

783
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: hard to tell sometimes because they're just not that big.

784
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, the white wrap is good, absolutely. Yeah. White

785
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: white is key. I mean all of my arrows are

786
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: like all white. They look like Pablo Escobar's arrows. They're

787
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: just like you know, I have like an eight inch

788
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: white wrap with veins on my whites. My friend in

789
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: the woods. Yeah, the only reason I run one vein

790
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: that's not white is because I like to have a

791
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: cock vein so that if I'm having to do a

792
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: quick you know, a lot of times Elk County, you're

793
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,479
Speaker 1: just hiking along and also like, oh my gosh, there's

794
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: a bowl in the same trail that I'm walking down,

795
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: and you know, you go into panic mode, and it's

796
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: nice to grab an arrow and know where you know

797
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: to align it properly on your string. Not that it

798
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: has to be that way, probably it's not gonna make

799
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: that much of a difference, but I like to have

800
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: a cock. Plus I go pink now hot pink, and

801
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: too white because my photographers have told me that when

802
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: they're watching arrow flight on their screens that those are

803
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: the two colors that pop the best on their screen,

804
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: white and pink um. And so, since we often have

805
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: the luxury of having a filmed shot hit, it's nice

806
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: to have whatever fletchings popping the most so you can

807
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: and see exactly where you hit the most. You know,

808
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: if you ran a four fletch then you wouldn't have

809
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: to worry about that cock. My arrows are so heavy,

810
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: I can't add another three grains because it's gonna slow

811
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: them down too much. Um, I can't. I can't decide

812
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: how we should get into the weight of your broadheads

813
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: and the weight of your arrows because I feel like

814
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: it could change based on the broadhead. Can you answer

815
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: me that, will it change? Like? Should we should we

816
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: talk about broadheads, the eight of broadheads and arrows as

817
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: we talk about each specific broadhead or can we do

818
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: it generally now and then go into the broadhead? Yeah?

819
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: So I shoot generally the exact same weight. I shoot

820
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five grain head. The reason that

821
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: I shoot one hundred and twenty five grain head is

822
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: I want my full setup to be right around that

823
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: five hundred grain mark. I would much prefer like a

824
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: four seventy five four fifty if I could get there,

825
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: But due to the draw length that I have, I

826
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: haven't found an arrow that I'm comfortable with the outsert

827
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: system and really the overall quality of an arrow that

828
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: I can get that light on. So for me, righting

829
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: that five hundred mark is perfect. I think that, like

830
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: anywhere from four to fifty to five hundred, is a

831
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: good blend of speed still keeping that momentum and kinetic energy,

832
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: which is obviously very important. I know that's a highly

833
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: controversial topic at the present day, and some guys like

834
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 1: this ashby stuff and eight hundred grains. Whatever I've shot

835
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: heavier arrows, I have not seen a decline in performance

836
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: from a six and fifty grain arrow to a five

837
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: hundred grain arrow. I have seen an increase in performance

838
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: in speed and less drop. So even though it's funny

839
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: that I'm only shooting deer at fifteen yards, let's say,

840
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: I don't know why it matters to me, but I

841
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: really like the idea of having a flatter trajectory with

842
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: the same performance. It doesn't matter for the hunting application

843
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: that I'm doing, but if you know, I go out

844
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: west or whatever, I think it's a more efficient system,

845
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: it's better blended, it's more versatile by having less drop,

846
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: so five grains one hundred and twenty five grains. The

847
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: way I ended up with one twenty fives was because

848
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: I wanted a certain amount of front of center on

849
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: my arrow, and that extra twenty five grains over the

850
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: hundred grain got me there. I could shoot heavier, but

851
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: it's harder to find one hundred and you know fifty,

852
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five, two fifty whatever type grain heads,

853
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 1: And so I wanted to stick with something where like

854
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: if I fly into Duluth and I realize all my

855
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: field points aren't there, I'm like, oh my god, I

856
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: can go to Cabella's and go buy someone twenty fives

857
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: or something. I don't want to get into this like

858
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: weird outlier broadhead weight or screwing point weight that I

859
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: can't go like rapidly fine somewhere. It's a great point.

860
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: It's a great point. That's why I'm always telling people

861
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 1: keep shooting their three oh weights and thirty out six

862
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: is yeah, yeah, right, same thing. If I go into

863
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, my elk hunt, and all of a sudden

864
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: TSA pulled my amo out or something happened. I don't

865
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 1: want to have to go find some like twenty eight

866
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: nozzlar hotload special round somewhere. You know, I can just

867
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: roll in and buy some thirty out six hornedies and

868
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: be ready to rock, right, So same concept for my

869
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: hunting setups. So I try to find generally readily available products.

870
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm stuck with the one twenty fives.

871
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: And if anybody wants some hundred grain broadheads, I have

872
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: a literal pile here that I can't use anymore because

873
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: I've switched over to the one twenty fives. All right,

874
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: let's get into the broadheads. Then we made a quick list,

875
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: Jordan and I of because I didn't want to get

876
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: into too much about about actual specific broadheads and the

877
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: companies that make them. We can say that for another day.

878
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: I think we can break it down. It's into sort

879
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: of general categories and tell me if you think this

880
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: is too many categories or if we even need more.

881
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: But we had like fixed within the fixed blade category,

882
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: you got to break it down, I think to subcategories,

883
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: which is fixed two blade, fixed three blade, fixed four blade,

884
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: and then we even have in the two blade you

885
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: have double bevels, single bevels. Then we go to mechanicals,

886
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: which I don't even know all the mechanicals enough. I

887
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: think there's probably ten subcategories for mechanicals. And then of

888
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: course we also have the difference in tips. How do

889
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: you think best, as a person that has tried so

890
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: many broadheads, how do you think it's the best way

891
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: to break it up? I think that's very fair, and

892
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: I think in order to assess those you need to

893
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: kind of have categories, performance categories, right, and so what

894
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: I'm looking for in a broadhead just that I'm that

895
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm using to analyze every head that I'm testing, trying whatever,

896
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: are a multitude of things. I want accuracy in flight right.

897
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: I want to rely on the arrow hitting where my

898
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: pen is when I'm executing a shot. Now you know

899
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: there is some human error in there. I like to

900
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: think that I'm perfect, but I'm definitely not. My wife

901
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: will tell you that. So you know, as long as

902
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: I do my part, I want the head to fly properly.

903
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 1: So flight characteristics the noise of a broadhead. People don't

904
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: often think about how loud different variations of heads are downrange.

905
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: I do not want that critter to have any notice

906
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: of what's incoming, right, So the noise then, also, forgiveness

907
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: is something that I think of, but not in the

908
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: traditional sense of forgiveness from an accuracy standpoint, Yes, that's important,

909
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: but forgiveness in shot placement. If I make a poor shot,

910
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: I want the arrow or the broadhead excuse me to

911
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 1: bail me out. And so what I mean by that

912
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: is the larger cutting diameter, the larger cutting surface is

913
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: going to help me out. If I hit back, it's

914
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: going to cut more stuff. It has a wider a

915
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: greater opportunity to hit that vein or you know nick

916
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: that for moral artery and result in an instant death.

917
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: That's something that I often think about with heads, and

918
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: we can get more into that when we start talking

919
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:31,240
Speaker 1: about the different categories of heads and also the blade

920
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: profile on them, both in numbers and type, and then

921
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: lastly durability. Right, I'm shooting a lot of deer and

922
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: I need to be able to reuse them. A head

923
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: that goes in the trash after I shoot a deer

924
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: with it is trash for me, Like I can't be

925
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: spending what products cost nowadays, even at a discount or geez, Frankly,

926
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: even if they're free, I don't want to go through,

927
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: you know, five dozen, eight dozen heads in a year.

928
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: That just doesn't seem right to me. So those are

929
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: kind of the categories that I'm applying to all these

930
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: heads when i'm testing them. Okay, I follow up on

931
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: that though, Taylor's if you're reusing broadheads, are you sharpening broadheads? Oh? Yeah, okay,

932
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: you do sharpen your own broadheads after they saw. I'm

933
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: calling you guys from my man cave down here, my

934
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: command center, and to my left, I have a pile

935
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: of used broadheads, and so I basically wait until that

936
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: pile gets a little too high for me, and I

937
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: will sit here and watch TV and have a glass

938
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: of water or bourbon or coffee, depending on what time

939
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: of day it is, and just start sharpening away. So

940
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: I try to have a couple of boxes of broadheads

941
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: at the ready that are sharpened than ready to go

942
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: back in rotation. Nice. So I do a lot of sharpening. Yeah, okay,

943
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: So we know the categories that you're rating each broadhead on,

944
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: and I want to hear pros and cons about each one.

945
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: Let's maybe let's maybe do it this way. This might

946
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: be a good way to just make it easier for

947
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: us to follow along. Why don't instead of starting with, say,

948
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: the category just that we're picking, let's start with a

949
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: category maybe that you started with, and then we can

950
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: go through the categories as you sort of progressed through them.

951
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: Is that a good idea? Yeah, I think that's a

952
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: great way to attack it. So, first and foremost, you're

953
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: only going to get back from a broadhead what you

954
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: put into your gear, right, and I think that goes

955
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: with everything. Like, you can't say that your boots are

956
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: crap if you haven't taken the time to condition them

957
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: or break them in. You the same thing with a

958
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: broadhead or with a bow. If you haven't tuned a bow,

959
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: you're not going to get any you know, the maximum

960
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: performance out of it. That's like driving your car to

961
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: a racetrack and trying to race it when it's not

962
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: designed to do that. I am fanatical about tuning my

963
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: gear and having it perform as perfectly as it reasonably can.

964
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: So for me, shooting a fixed blade head versus a

965
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: mechanical head is not It's it's a level playing field

966
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: as far as the accuracy standpoint. A fixed blade head

967
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: is going to hit generally where a mechanical head is

968
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: going to hit from me, unless there's some like weird

969
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: variability that that specific fixed blade head is creating an

970
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: issue in point of impact. So if you're not going

971
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: to tune your bow, if you're if you're gonna just

972
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: like grab your bow off the hangar on October fifteenth

973
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: and go hunt with it, and you haven't touched it

974
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: since last November, you know, a fixed blade head might

975
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: not be for you. Very often on these forums and stuff,

976
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: you see like oh, that head flies like crap, performs

977
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: like crap. I mean, frankly, any head generally put in

978
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: the right place will perform. It's the shooter, either shot placement,

979
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: or your gear hasn't been broken down to operate correctly.

980
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: So when I first started hunting, I taught myself how

981
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: to hunt, and I bought some generic three blade heads

982
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: from like Walmart. They did not fly well. I thought

983
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,959
Speaker 1: that it was the head that was not flying well.

984
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: In reality, it was the Indian, not the arrow, and

985
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: it was my lack of bow tuning and performance. So

986
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: I quickly switched from fixed blades to mechanicals, which I

987
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: think is when a lot of people do that don't

988
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: put the time in to tune their bow. So do

989
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: you just want to start with like fixed blades versus

990
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: mechanicals or do you want to go down my path

991
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: of heads? Yeah? I don't know if it has to

992
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: be a fixed blade versus mechanicals, because I'd imagine that

993
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: there are some pros too mechanicals. I'll be honest, I've

994
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: never shot one. I've guided people that shot elk with mechanicals,

995
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: but I've personally never shot one. So I just think, however,

996
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: you want to do it whatever makes sense in your mind,

997
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: and to help keep us on track and to make

998
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: it not too confusing. But just as long as we

999
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: can sort of go over every group or every style

1000
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: category however we want to say it of broadhead and

1001
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: sort of go through the pros and cons and and

1002
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: and talk about the results that you saw with each style.

1003
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to get out of it. Jordan, Okay, Yeah, same,

1004
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: So let's just go down both categories. So let's start

1005
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: with fixed blade heads, right. The in my experience with

1006
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: a fixed blade head, the pros are the penetration of them,

1007
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: So if you hit bone or something harder, you are

1008
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: less likely to have either a deflection or have your

1009
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: arrows stop abruptly. In that fixed blade category, you have

1010
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: two blades, three blades, and four blades, and then you

1011
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: have the two blade with a bleeder as like a hybrid.

1012
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: So in my experience, the smaller the cutting diameter, the

1013
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: worst the performance was for me. And the performance that

1014
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:28,959
Speaker 1: I'm looking for is easy to follow blood trails and

1015
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: the fastest expiration of that critter possible. And so when

1016
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: I had smaller holes, especially the smaller slits versus chunks,

1017
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: so two blades versus three or four blades, the worser,

1018
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: the worst the performance was. So if you look down

1019
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: on a scale of fixed blade heads and then zero

1020
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: being like the animal didn't die, which we all know

1021
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,439
Speaker 1: isn't possible, although we have to tend like, oh my gosh,

1022
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: the animal took two steps and fell over. On that scale,

1023
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: two blade heads would be closer to the ones and

1024
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: twos of it, and going up until like eight or

1025
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: nine would be the larger four blade or three blade

1026
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:20,479
Speaker 1: cutting heads. However, you end up with a little bit

1027
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: of I guess unintended consequences of shooting heads of that

1028
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: size are you know, they're a little outer in flight,

1029
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: you have four blades instead of two that are making

1030
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: noise in the air, and that four blades or three

1031
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:42,919
Speaker 1: blades instead of two potentially can create less accurate broadhead flight.

1032
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: So if you're tuning your bow and you're out there

1033
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: and you're listening to this, and you're thinking, like, I

1034
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: don't know what head to get, you really need to

1035
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: play around with a couple different ones to try and

1036
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: figure out what matters most for you and for me

1037
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: and my hunting situation. With my draw weight, my draw length,

1038
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: I have no problem shooting a giant cut on contact

1039
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: fixed blade head. I prefer four blades. Say that time

1040
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: times fast, because I want to put that giant chunk,

1041
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: that big, large cutting diameter through an animal. But when

1042
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: you say four blades, because I think, if I'm correct,

1043
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: the one you're shooting now, it's it's basically it's a

1044
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: two blade with bleeders, not four actual blades, right, correct, Yes,

1045
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: So the head that I'm shooting currently has a very

1046
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: large bleeder on it that's almost the same size as

1047
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: the actual blades. So it's an inch and an eighth

1048
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: by an or excuse me, inch and a quarter by

1049
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: inch and a eighth cutting diameter, So I'm almost getting

1050
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: a full two and a half inch cut through an

1051
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: animal in cutting diameter, which is awesome. And if you

1052
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: look at the opposite side of the coin and expandables,

1053
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: expandables are great in the sense that they you know,

1054
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: they have a very low profile. When they hit they

1055
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:12,919
Speaker 1: open up hopefully and then they're making a big hole.

1056
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: My concerns with an expandable, just to be general and

1057
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: kind of like start this off in chapter one, I guess,

1058
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: are that you don't know that they're going to open

1059
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: at all times, and so the potential for a lack

1060
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: of performance is very scary to me. I don't like

1061
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: relying on that that equipment to perform, and then it

1062
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: takes a lot of energy out of your setup to

1063
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: create that opening. And so you know, add in the

1064
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: fact that if you hit bone with an expandable and

1065
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: that your penetration is all but pretty much stopped, or

1066
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: the braids are blades are breaking or whatever. I've always

1067
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: shied away from expandables. Now you also have to know

1068
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: like where your misses, and I tend to shoot very

1069
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: tight to the shoulders, so my miss is going to

1070
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: be tighter to the shoulder than away from it. If

1071
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: you're a type of person that is the opposite of that,

1072
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: then maybe an expandable is right for you, because now

1073
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: we're back on the category of forgiveness, where you know

1074
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: that giant cutting diameter could help bail you out of

1075
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: a situation if you punch a critter through the guts

1076
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: instead of hitting him in the shoulder. So there's a

1077
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: ton of variability in what you're doing, and ultimately it's

1078
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,439
Speaker 1: like what's right for me might not be right for

1079
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: either of you or anybody else listening. But the kind

1080
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: of my trials through fifteen years of doing this now

1081
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: have led me in a certain direction, and that's large

1082
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: cut on contact four. I mean three is good, but

1083
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: four is better. Giant chunks through animals, Yeah, my experiences

1084
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: with expandables were kind of it just took a lot

1085
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 1: of energy to open those. And I think a special

1086
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: I still have a pretty long draw length and think

1087
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm twenty eight and then I'm shooting between sixteen sixty

1088
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,959
Speaker 1: five pounds kind of depends on the year, but that's

1089
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: still just not as much as some dude with a

1090
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: thirty inch draw length and shooting seventy pounds, like you

1091
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: just have more umph there to be able to punch

1092
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: that expandable through or as I it just I don't

1093
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: have as much umph to try to push it through.

1094
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: So that's as soon as I had a couple experiences

1095
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: like that, I started going to like fixed blade or

1096
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: cough on contact in having way way better luck. Yeah,

1097
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: And it varies by bow also, right, So I do

1098
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: a ton of bow testing, and last night I was

1099
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: shooting five different bows and the speed ranged from two

1100
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: sixty five and these are all set up the same,

1101
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: from two sixty five with my setup to two ninety six.

1102
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: That's insane, right, I mean thirty feet per second is

1103
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: a lot of distance, in a lot of energy and

1104
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: momentum for an arrow to store. Yeah, the variables are

1105
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: it's astounding how many there are and how much stuff

1106
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: you gotta gotta think through, and it's it's hard to

1107
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: make sense of it all. But I think you've made

1108
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: a good point earlier really being picky about your shots

1109
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: and your shot placement, shot distance. That's a great way

1110
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: to reduce those variables. And it's something that it just

1111
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: takes time, you know. I get plenty of flags sometimes

1112
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 1: for the shots I've taken on camera, and I want

1113
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: to remind everybody I'm not afraid to say it. I've

1114
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,439
Speaker 1: only killed a dozen or so animals with the boat.

1115
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: I've watched dudes killed fifty of them or more, but

1116
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: personally I'm at like a dozen. So I'm very early

1117
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: on in this process. I took a super quarter and

1118
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: away shot on a nil guy, but when I shot it,

1119
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was two quarter in a way

1120
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: lo and behold, the era went through eighteen inches almost

1121
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: of pure stomach before it went into the vitals. The

1122
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 1: animal only went seventy five yards. But that animal, that

1123
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 1: arrow and the setup I had, I feel like helped it.

1124
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: But that arrow had to travel all the way through

1125
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: a very densely you know, brows packed stomach to get

1126
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: to the vitals and then still do his job of

1127
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: cutting and killing the animal. So in my mind that

1128
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 1: just that simple two blade, it was a single bevel.

1129
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 1: It allowed it to slice through all that and still

1130
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: get to where it needed to go to get the

1131
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 1: job done. Right where if a different broadhead and maybe

1132
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: even yours, Taylor, it hits all that stomach content and

1133
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 1: maybe it can't make it through there. Because it was

1134
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: just too much resistance, right, And that could be on

1135
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,759
Speaker 1: me to not take that severe quarter bring away shot

1136
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: next time if I was using that. If you have

1137
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 1: totally you have to know you and your gear, right.

1138
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: I'm convinced that that bow hunting like part of that high,

1139
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: that awesome feeling that we get is remaining calm and

1140
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 1: trying to control yourself while you're having the most insane

1141
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 1: adjournaline dump possible. Right Like, there's a critter there, you're

1142
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: at full draw. You know what's going to happen, but

1143
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 1: you might have to wait ten seconds or thirty seconds

1144
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: or ninety seconds or let down, right like, like that

1145
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: is what we all live for. That's that rush. But

1146
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,679
Speaker 1: you have to know in that moment. And that example

1147
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: for you is a perfect example. There are times where

1148
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: if you're taking a shot on an animal that is

1149
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: hard quartered away, you might have an entrance point that's

1150
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: at that last rip or second to last rip. I

1151
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 1: mean it is way back there and that's the correct

1152
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: shot angle that that arrow needs to travel. And depending

1153
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: on the animal like an elk, I mean that arrow

1154
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: has got to go another what thirty inches forty inches

1155
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: to even get into the diaphragm get into the chess cavity.

1156
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: So you know, in that instance, a smaller cutting fixed

1157
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 1: blade cut on contact head like a two blade, could

1158
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 1: be perfect. But you also don't have to have that

1159
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: animal die in fifty yards. So I think like part

1160
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: of it is like they say, you know, horses for courses,

1161
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 1: or you have to have your gear for the job.

1162
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: When I go out west, my gear changes up right, um,

1163
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: And and that's because I know I have more room

1164
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: to play with and I and penetration is key here

1165
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: in the suburbs. You know, failure is not an option,

1166
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 1: and that tends to take the fixed blade heads out

1167
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 1: for me and then or excuse me, the mechanical heads

1168
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 1: out for me and puts the fixed blades into play.

1169
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: And then you know, a critter going down as fast

1170
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 1: as humanly possible as important. So that's where these large

1171
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: cutting diameters come come, you know, useful for me. Where

1172
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: like you said earlier, if a deer goes down one

1173
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: hundred yards, for you guys, you're like, hell, yeah, it's down.

1174
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: I watched it drop, Whereas I'm like, I'm like, oh

1175
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 1: my gosh, I have to go pull my street clothes

1176
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: out of my car and get changed and you know,

1177
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: I'm about to get yelled at by Karen, so here

1178
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 1: we go. So success for me is different than success

1179
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: for the average hunter. But I think knowing that equipment

1180
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: and how it's performing is really really key. And also,

1181
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: you know, early on I was shooting large mechanicals that

1182
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 1: were a two blade mechanical, so a rear deploying two

1183
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: blade mechanical. And what was mind blowing to me was

1184
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:49,640
Speaker 1: how much variability you had just depending on what articulation

1185
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,520
Speaker 1: that blade entered at. So if it was totally horizontal,

1186
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: you could get completely different results than totally vertical because

1187
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: you just have this like cutting slit that goes through there,

1188
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: and you could theoretically, you know, have one that went

1189
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: through vertically and you catch a bunch of goodies and

1190
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: the animal goes down right away, and if it's horizontal

1191
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 1: or it's some weird angle, you just have the potential

1192
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: of not getting you know, all the good stuff. So

1193
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: when I look at a larger cutting chunk, to me,

1194
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 1: that's more forgiving than just the slit right that goes through.

1195
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:27,600
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would agree with you

1196
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 1: there too. Where the anytime you can add an axis

1197
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 1: of cutting is better than just the one, and I've

1198
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: got the first elk I killed, same thing. It was

1199
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 1: the perfectness of perfect shots. Both lungs passed through through

1200
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: the scapula on the far side. I was like, oh,

1201
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: that thing's it's done right. I just I was kicking

1202
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: back with my wife, just saying, hey, let's give it

1203
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: thirty minutes, we'll go and start start butchering. Well. Twenty

1204
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 1: four hours later, I'd lost a blood trail over and

1205
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: over again, spent the night in the wood. It's I'm

1206
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: just doing mercy loops and randomly come upon this beaver

1207
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: pond and this cow's fallen into it, and this is

1208
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: I found it, so I can tell you exactly what

1209
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: the arrow did. It was. It was actually interesting because

1210
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: it was had the water had chilled everything down so

1211
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: much that it was a beautiful netcropsy, like all the everything,

1212
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: the heart and the lungs were in this like perfect state. Right.

1213
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 1: It was just cold and you could look at it

1214
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 1: and see see what all happened there. But the best

1215
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: I can figure is because there was only one axis

1216
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 1: on that cut, no bleeders. It was a Magnus stinger,

1217
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: which I think is a people consider a good broadhead.

1218
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:37,639
Speaker 1: But if I was going to shoot it, I would

1219
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 1: definitely have bleeders because that just that single slit going

1220
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,799
Speaker 1: through there. It allowed those lungs to sort of seal

1221
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 1: that slit and maintain some sort of compression and keep working.

1222
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 1: And that elk went a mile. Yeah, I mean, it happens.

1223
01:13:55,720 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: The there's a reason that after World War One, you know,

1224
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: triangle shaped daggers were outlawed right in warfare, and it's

1225
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 1: because it's very difficult to suiture that wound and fix it.

1226
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 1: That's what I want to shoot. I don't want, you know,

1227
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 1: something that's reparable. And you know, mother nature is great

1228
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: at surviving, and I've seen animals of buddies of mine

1229
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: that have gotten like one lung hits with a two

1230
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 1: blade head, very similar to like what you're talking about, Yanni,

1231
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: that the deer lived. I mean, we shot a dough

1232
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 1: once it twenty three and fifteen eight years ago that

1233
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: had been shot and only had one lung hit. And

1234
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: when we opened her up, her one lung was totally

1235
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: healthy and functional up until about twenty minutes before her

1236
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: other lung looked like a raisin. It was black and

1237
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 1: had shriveled up and was just like a dead lung.

1238
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 1: And the best guests that we had, now granted we're

1239
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: all not very intelligent people, was that, you know, that

1240
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 1: lung basically was debt. It ceased to work in her

1241
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: from that one long hit um and and she still

1242
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 1: survived though. So it's unbelievable the resiliency that these animals have,

1243
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 1: and and that's why it's important to put a big

1244
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 1: gold chunk through them, right Yeah? Can I kind of

1245
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: have a two parter here, but for folks going into

1246
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 1: like a store looking at some broadheads, can when they're

1247
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: looking at a pack of broadheads, can you tell them

1248
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: the difference between like a double bevel and a single

1249
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: bevel and then a chisel tip versus like a cut

1250
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:47,440
Speaker 1: on contact, Like, what does that look like? Absolutely? Yeah? So, um,

1251
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 1: you know, a single bevel is just going to have

1252
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,799
Speaker 1: the cutting kind of blade the shave part on one side.

1253
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 1: The other side will be flat or un sharpened. I

1254
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 1: guess it would be a good way to put it.

1255
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 1: And the theory is that that will core through as

1256
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 1: it's cutting. It will help kind of continue that spiraling

1257
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 1: for deeper penetration. I've never had an issue with penetration,

1258
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 1: so I can't really speak to like, hey, this arrow

1259
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: is buried deeper in the dirt than the other ones

1260
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: that I've shot through it. So I have not seen

1261
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,799
Speaker 1: really any difference between the two of those. And then

1262
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: you said a cut on contact head versus a chiseltip,

1263
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: So you know, cut on contact head is just going

1264
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 1: to look kind of like the point of a dark

1265
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 1: not sharpened, whereas a chisel tip will have some sort

1266
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: of like sharp angles or sharpened structure to them to

1267
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: help kind of punch through or cut whatever it's potentially hitting.

1268
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: And now I have had phenomenal success with chisel tip

1269
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: type heads or something that gradually like starts at a

1270
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: very fine point and then goes up into a more

1271
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: gen totle angle to where that can help punch through something.

1272
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 1: I think that's a very important feature for a head

1273
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 1: to have. Well, hold on, I thought, the head you're

1274
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:12,719
Speaker 1: shooting now it's cut on contact, isn't it. Yeah, Well,

1275
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: it's kind of a hybrid. It has a one that

1276
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm shooting now is cut on contact with a little

1277
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: bit of like a fine point. The head that I

1278
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: shot prior to that one kind of a hybrid too.

1279
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 1: It came down to like a super fine point with

1280
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: a gentle ramping up to it, and I've had that

1281
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: punch through stuff that it should not punch through. So

1282
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 1: that's always kind of fun to see. Well, I don't

1283
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: know if that's fun. Actually it means you didn't put

1284
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 1: the best shot on an animal if it blows through something.

1285
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 1: But what a good example of a chisel tip be

1286
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 1: like a slick trick. Yeah, I would put a slick

1287
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: trick in the chiseltip category, even though it's kind of

1288
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 1: like gentle. I think the fact that it has the

1289
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 1: four heads that are coming down to a very fine

1290
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 1: point is what really helps that head penetrate through. And

1291
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: there are a couple of different variations of that head.

1292
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: So generally in a head, I want gradual cutting. I

1293
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 1: do not want something that just instantly fans out on

1294
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:19,679
Speaker 1: like you know, a steep angle, because if you think

1295
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 1: about that head going through tissue or bone or whatever

1296
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: it's penetrating through, you want it to gradually cut as

1297
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 1: opposed to just instantly go from oh i'm flying, now

1298
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm cutting. You know, that's that is taking away from

1299
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: that kinetic energy and momentum that is propelling the arrow

1300
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: through the air. Got it. So you're staying heads that

1301
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 1: would end up being too shallow of an angle or

1302
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: are and I'm guessing that's mostly mechanicals right to become

1303
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 1: almost too flat, too fast, that's what you're saying you

1304
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 1: don't like. Yeah, So one thing that I really had

1305
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 1: some of the worst success with were over the top

1306
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 1: puting expandables. So you have two ways for an expandable

1307
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 1: broad head to deploy. There's rear opening. So if you

1308
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: guys are thinking of a broadhead looking down from top

1309
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 1: to bottom, that heads, the blades are going to slide

1310
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 1: back into their open position and cut, so they're instantly

1311
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: cutting using the tissue to open. Whereas a over the

1312
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: top head, if you put your hands together and then

1313
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 1: open your hands outwardly, that's how an over the top

1314
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: head is designed to work. For me, I think there

1315
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 1: are a lot of potential issues with that type of

1316
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: system deploying because you're taking a ton of energy and

1317
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 1: momentum to open a head that way. Also, you're having

1318
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: a very small entry hole, and for me, I want

1319
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 1: giant holes everywhere that they are able to be, so

1320
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,560
Speaker 1: to have an over the top opening head, to me,

1321
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: robs a lot of energy and momentum, and then also

1322
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 1: is not allowing a large head or excuse me, a

1323
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 1: large hole until the exit side. Interesting bones, what works

1324
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 1: well in your experience ripped through the categories, and let's

1325
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 1: just say ribs, because I'm sure you've seen plenty of

1326
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: scapulards get hit too, but let's just stay with ribs.

1327
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: Have you ever had anything failed just on a rib.

1328
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: I've never had anything fail just on a white tail rib.

1329
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: I have seen where people have had issues on elk ribs.

1330
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 1: I'm not the most experienced elk hunter, considering the fact

1331
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 1: that I'm more pear shaped than not so the elk

1332
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 1: mountains and I don't really get along, but for white tail,

1333
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: I've never had a rib get in the way of anything.

1334
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I've smashed rib no problem now, I would

1335
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: think just generally when it comes to bone though, on

1336
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: our spectrum that we've talked about earlier, where you know,

1337
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: small as on one side, large as on the other.

1338
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 1: The smaller the head, the better job it's going to

1339
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 1: do to penetrate. There's less stuff catching it there. It's

1340
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 1: easier to kind of mal through tissue as opposed to

1341
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: a larger head where there might not be anything behind

1342
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: the blade kind of helping it push through. I do

1343
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 1: think that brings up an interesting kind of point though,

1344
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:40,799
Speaker 1: where on some heads that are designed like a fixed blade,

1345
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 1: or you know some of the fixed blades that don't

1346
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: have a trust system on the blade, so if it

1347
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:51,679
Speaker 1: does encounter some resistance, it might break away to where

1348
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: that will rob some energy. But what's left is able

1349
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 1: to still penetrate down into an animal and keep doing

1350
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 1: its job. There was a head that I used to

1351
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 1: shoot shot a ton of deer with that was a

1352
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 1: fixed blade head that looked like a mechanical where the

1353
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 1: blades were already kind of deployed, and I had many

1354
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: instances where that head would penetrate far beyond anything else

1355
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: because if it encountered anything, it would just kind of

1356
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: bend out of the way. So reliability or durability rather

1357
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: not the best on that head, But as far as

1358
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: doing its job, it was awesome, and the core of

1359
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 1: that head was great. The downside of that head the

1360
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 1: reason I ended up stopped shooting it. It was too big.

1361
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 1: So you run into issues where like these broadheads are

1362
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 1: a problem to fit in your quiver, or you potentially

1363
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 1: have like bow shelf issues where if that head is

1364
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 1: a certain way, it might catch the riser on your shelf.

1365
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 1: And for me, I do not want to put in

1366
01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: the time and effort or have the potential for failure

1367
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: pop up in the tree. When I'm like spun around

1368
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 1: like a two hundred and forty pound pretzel and I'm

1369
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 1: getting ready to execute a shot, I don't want, you know,

1370
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 1: the arrow to fly weird and all of a sudden

1371
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 1: you're like, what happened? And you know, you realize that

1372
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 1: the arrow caught the shelf of your bow or there

1373
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 1: was something that created a potential issue in your shot. Yeah, man,

1374
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: I've got an and I do it for that one.

1375
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 1: My brother in law and I were hunting, I think

1376
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: it was two falls ago, and first evening out he

1377
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:35,839
Speaker 1: gets a shot. It's a little bit on the longside,

1378
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 1: which is why I thought he had made the mistake.

1379
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 1: Initially it was it was fifty plus and I see

1380
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 1: the bull run off with the arrow stuck. I mean

1381
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 1: looked like he was aiming for the jugular, you know,

1382
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 1: just like high high neck, and I'm like, what in

1383
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 1: the world, Like, like, I know that was a little

1384
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 1: bit of a punk. Might have been excited, but I

1385
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 1: mean you're like three or four feet away from where

1386
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:03,559
Speaker 1: you were supposedly aiming. Right. Well, we didn't find that bowl,

1387
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 1: but it was a week or two later when when

1388
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 1: he's reevaluating, he didn't even want to hunt forever. He

1389
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 1: just set the bow down and he was so upset

1390
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 1: about the whole thing. But it wasn't until week or

1391
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 1: two later we're shooting and he's drawn back, and I'm like,

1392
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 1: we gotta shoot the broadheads, like, no more field tips.

1393
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 1: We've got to figure out what happened. And sure enough,

1394
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 1: one of those blades was just long enough. And I

1395
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 1: always put felt down on or mole skin whenever you

1396
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,959
Speaker 1: want on the on the shelf, right, so to minimize

1397
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 1: any kind of noise. Well you could see that that

1398
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 1: that uh one tip of one of those broadhead blades

1399
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 1: was just catching it enough. And sure enough, at twenty

1400
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:53,640
Speaker 1: yards he shoots missed the target. So at fifty it

1401
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 1: was very easy to see how he could be off

1402
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:58,719
Speaker 1: by three or four feet, you know, but he's probably

1403
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:02,599
Speaker 1: shooting his field tips and hitting you know, inside out.

1404
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 1: Bull's eyes going liked already, let's go. Yeah, Yeah, you

1405
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 1: have to practice with the gear that you're going out

1406
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 1: in the woods and using, because otherwise you don't know

1407
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 1: that that problem exists until it's you know, too late. Yeah,

1408
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 1: are you looking at material construction and stuff too? On

1409
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 1: your broadheads? That's what they're made out of to some extent,

1410
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 1: although you know, not as much as I probably should

1411
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 1: be in the sense that all of the all the

1412
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 1: heads that I'm shooting and having success with, you know,

1413
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 1: they're not made of lesser material. Early on, I had

1414
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:44,679
Speaker 1: an issue with a certain expandable head that was made

1415
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 1: out of an aluminum ferrell and that was an absolute

1416
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 1: disaster because the aluminum was crumpling like a can, right,

1417
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 1: So you can't have that. So but I don't know

1418
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 1: enough about like the hardness of steel, whether it's like

1419
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,799
Speaker 1: four or fourty or you know, four to eighty or whatever.

1420
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:06,720
Speaker 1: I like that that's Latin to me. Um. I know

1421
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: that when I have a head that is, you know,

1422
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 1: made out of quality material, quality material, it's performing flawlessly.

1423
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 1: What's the what's the most you think deer you've ever

1424
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 1: shot with the same head, resharpening, shooting a deer, resharpening,

1425
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 1: shooting a head like what's being your longest lasting head?

1426
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: I counted that. Last year, I had a twelve deer

1427
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 1: that I shot with the same head um and it

1428
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:42,480
Speaker 1: unfortunately the head expired when it passed through and smashed

1429
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 1: into a quartz rock and looked like kind of like concave.

1430
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 1: It was very smashed um and that head performed flawlessly,

1431
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,719
Speaker 1: and that was actually what won me over to shooting

1432
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 1: the head that I'm currently shooting now compared to what

1433
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 1: I had shot for for years prior to that. Can

1434
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: you tell us what the head was? Yeah, So the

1435
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 1: head that I'm shooting now is the method archery. It's

1436
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 1: called the VBS. So it's an inch and inch and

1437
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 1: a quarter by inch and eighth head. And I actually

1438
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: have that exact head sitting down here on my on

1439
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: my too sharpened pile. But it's really it's dead. It

1440
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:28,639
Speaker 1: cannot be brought back. But it went through a pile

1441
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 1: of critters and I was like, you know what this

1442
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 1: thing is? Uh, this has won me over. Um, it's

1443
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 1: a you know, phenomenal head. The prior to that, the

1444
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 1: head that I you know, shot a ton was a

1445
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 1: four blade head that is readily available, and I just

1446
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 1: think the world of and I've seen it performed in

1447
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 1: situations that it shouldn't have. And um really just a

1448
01:27:55,280 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 1: phenomenal head that um you know works for everyone. Which

1449
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:05,600
Speaker 1: one it's the slick trick grizz trick too, So the

1450
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 1: Griz trick for me, UM, I like the blade angle

1451
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 1: of it better. So the Griz trick is an inch

1452
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:14,759
Speaker 1: and a quarter by an inch and a quarter head,

1453
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 1: but the blades are further back on that on that

1454
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:24,719
Speaker 1: Farrell as opposed to the electric mags. So the electric

1455
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 1: magnum ends up with a little steeper cutting diameter or

1456
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 1: angle because it's like tip and then instantly blade, whereas

1457
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 1: that Griz trick there's a little more of the actual

1458
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 1: broadhead Farrell before it gets into the blade. And those

1459
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 1: heads are phenomenal. The only downside to eclectric head is

1460
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,679
Speaker 1: that there's a washer on it, and for some reason,

1461
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,639
Speaker 1: that washer you would think is square on both sides.

1462
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 1: But if that you have to spin those heads, and

1463
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 1: if they don't spend, true, you need to flip the

1464
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 1: washer over and then they will spin. So I just

1465
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:04,560
Speaker 1: spin them on my finger, like anytime I get the

1466
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 1: deer camp or when I assemble ahead. I just you know,

1467
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys do is just spin the arrow

1468
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 1: kind of like a top on your finger, and you

1469
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 1: can feel if it's spinning appropriately or not. If you

1470
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 1: feel any wobble on that head, you need to stop

1471
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:24,879
Speaker 1: and flip that washer around. That was the only downside

1472
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 1: to those heads is that there's a little bit of

1473
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 1: potential for imperfection just because of that washer. But the system,

1474
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 1: the way they work together for resharpening them, they're an

1475
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 1: absolute dream dream head. The method head that I'm shooting

1476
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 1: now has a little bit of a swept angle to

1477
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 1: the blades, and I think that that really helps with

1478
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 1: the cutting, and it's more of like a gradual slice,

1479
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 1: just at rapid speed as it's entering an animal. I

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01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 1: shot a dough recently. It took a step right when

1481
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 1: my shot was breaking, So as I'm applying tension to

1482
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 1: the release, shot breaks and it hit her. My initial

1483
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:14,600
Speaker 1: reaction was, oh, no, it was back. She was broadside,

1484
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 1: maybe like one degree quartered away. She ran about ten steps,

1485
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 1: looked back and fell over. Debt better to be lucky

1486
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 1: than good. I definitely caught some goodies there right on

1487
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 1: the back side of the lung. But um, you know

1488
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 1: I have not. You must have opened it up. What

1489
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 1: did you catch to get that? So it was a result.

1490
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 1: I got the back of her lungs. I think that

1491
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:41,760
Speaker 1: her lungs she you know, people don't realize that, you know,

1492
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 1: just like our body when we have air and our lungs,

1493
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:48,480
Speaker 1: our lungs are expanded. I think her lungs had expanded

1494
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 1: out and I actually caught the back triangle, if you will,

1495
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 1: of her lungs. It was a perfect double lung shot.

1496
01:30:55,960 --> 01:31:00,200
Speaker 1: But visually it looked like looked at guts. I mean,

1497
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 1: it looked like liver if I was lucky. So I

1498
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 1: just happen to get lucky with her. But that's the

1499
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 1: type of forgiveness that I want, and I feel like

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01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 1: by shooting a large four blade head, I'm getting forgiveness

1501
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 1: on both ends of the spectrum. If I hit back,

1502
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 1: like in that instance, I'm able to hopefully catch some

1503
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 1: goodies and put it. Deer down quickly also have large

1504
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 1: holes to where they're not clawting up or they're less

1505
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 1: likely to clog up, and they're easier to follow the

1506
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 1: trails of If I hit forward, I know that I

1507
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 1: have personally enough energy and momentum to punch through pretty

1508
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 1: much anything that it's hitting. I mean, unless I hit

1509
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 1: the absolute knuckle of a shoulder, you know, which some

1510
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 1: bullets aren't getting through, then I'm probably okay. A lot

1511
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 1: of info I don't know, if I don't know, if

1512
01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 1: I have it, if I'm any clear now in my

1513
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:01,879
Speaker 1: head about what I think about broadhead before we started.

1514
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna I'm gonna personally have to read listen

1515
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 1: to this podcast in which you talked about So here's

1516
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:12,160
Speaker 1: how here's how it would sum it up. Um, if

1517
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:18,599
Speaker 1: you're shooting, if you're shooting a tunebow and you're hunting whitetail, um,

1518
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, shots inside forty yards, it's hard to go

1519
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 1: wrong with a fixed head. If you are shooting less

1520
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:30,360
Speaker 1: poundage where a fixed head might be detrimental for expansion

1521
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:32,600
Speaker 1: or whatever. I mean, it's hard to go wrong with

1522
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 1: a fixed head. Fixed head in the right spot's going

1523
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 1: to do his job. And if you're hunting out west

1524
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 1: where recovery can be a little longer, maybe a slightly

1525
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 1: smaller fixed head, but never is a large cutting diameter

1526
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 1: broadhead a bad thing. Yeah, I feel like everybody should

1527
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:54,759
Speaker 1: start with a fixed blade and then maybe like depending

1528
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:57,600
Speaker 1: on the situation, and you're set up you could graduate

1529
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 1: into trying like an expandable, But I don't think people

1530
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:03,559
Speaker 1: should just go to an expandable just for ease of

1531
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 1: not having to tune your bow or something. They should

1532
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 1: just do it right and go to a try fixed blade.

1533
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 1: I totally agree a fixed blade with bleeders on it.

1534
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:16,600
Speaker 1: You want four You want to cut a chunk, not

1535
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 1: a slit, and then you know, if you are experiencing

1536
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 1: issues from there, start to address those issues. So if

1537
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:27,759
Speaker 1: you notice that the head that you're shooting is loud

1538
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:33,599
Speaker 1: in flight, Like if you start noticing that you're you're

1539
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 1: shooting animals and they're like ducking bad, they're hearing it,

1540
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:41,760
Speaker 1: you're hearing a whistle, address that issue. Hots are you're

1541
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 1: not going to have much of an issue. Like if

1542
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 1: that's happening, your broadhead itself is catching a lot of

1543
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 1: air in flight. And you know, we're talking like minor

1544
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,439
Speaker 1: changes that happen from a solid blade to a to

1545
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 1: a vented head. So start with a fixed blade and

1546
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:01,679
Speaker 1: address potential problems from there. But you can't go wrong

1547
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: with a fixed plate. Yeah now, yeah, and again, you're

1548
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:09,880
Speaker 1: just gonna have to take the responsibility to tune your

1549
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:12,760
Speaker 1: bow to get your system dialed, because I think that's

1550
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 1: one of the main things you'll hear and we'll get

1551
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 1: it in the comments is going to be Yeah, but

1552
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 1: those things are so hard to tune. They're they're not though,

1553
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 1: So I mean, here for anyone that's shooting, you know,

1554
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 1: the first thing you need to check is your form.

1555
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:29,639
Speaker 1: Is your draw length the correct length. Like I see

1556
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:33,760
Speaker 1: these people all the time that are overbowed their draw length,

1557
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:36,519
Speaker 1: their their hands back behind their head. You know, that's

1558
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 1: just it's bad. That's like trying to play golf with

1559
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 1: clubs that Tiger Woods is going to use. You need

1560
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 1: to get the bow correct for you, get the drawway

1561
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 1: to where you can shoot it, shoot a lot, get

1562
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:48,759
Speaker 1: your grip consistent, and all you do is you shoot

1563
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 1: a fuel point and you shoot a broadhead and you

1564
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 1: move your rest a little bit and you're there, like,

1565
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,559
Speaker 1: this is not extreme sign You do not have to

1566
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:58,760
Speaker 1: take it to the level that I do where I'm

1567
01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:02,040
Speaker 1: like moving strands on I string around because I'm weird

1568
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 1: and OCD about it and I literally can't shoot it

1569
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 1: if I don't feel like I put that level of

1570
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:09,400
Speaker 1: detail into it. I mean, there are tons of resources

1571
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 1: online for very simple bow tuning one on one and

1572
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:16,040
Speaker 1: just get your stuff hitting in the right spot. Do

1573
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 1: not just move your your bowsite to where a broadhead's

1574
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:21,760
Speaker 1: hitting and try to go hunt. Please, don't do that.

1575
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:25,680
Speaker 1: You know, do a little level of tuning and you

1576
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:28,559
Speaker 1: will be very happy with the results. It's more confident

1577
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 1: in your system too, for sure. Absolutely. And if like

1578
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 1: we all know that Murphy follows you into the back country,

1579
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:39,840
Speaker 1: and the second that you're in the back country and

1580
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 1: something goes wrong, you're going to have the knowledge and

1581
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 1: the confidence to work on your gear and know what happened.

1582
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 1: You're not going to have to burn a day driving

1583
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:52,320
Speaker 1: into town to the local bow shop that's probably slammed

1584
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:55,599
Speaker 1: to figure out what happened to your bow. You know,

1585
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:58,599
Speaker 1: like you're burning a day of vacation to hunt. Don't

1586
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 1: spend it at the bow shop. You can your boat

1587
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 1: right there in the back country and be ready to go. Yep. Absolutely,

1588
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:07,320
Speaker 1: So we're going to close this thing out with a

1589
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:11,759
Speaker 1: listener question from Lee underscore Lands on Instagram. He says

1590
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 1: he's having issues with making holes with little or no

1591
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 1: blood trail. He says how and why and is it

1592
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:22,040
Speaker 1: too sharp? Never? Too sharp? Never? Tested your tested on

1593
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 1: your finger if you think it's too sharp. How many

1594
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:28,799
Speaker 1: times have you guys cut yourself when you're when you're

1595
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 1: you know, doing something with a sharp blade, and you

1596
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:32,680
Speaker 1: look at it for a second and you're like, oh,

1597
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:34,679
Speaker 1: I hope it doesn't bleed, and then the blood starts

1598
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 1: trickling out right, You're like no, no, no, and then

1599
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:39,600
Speaker 1: you super glow it back together. Um. I'll add to

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01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:43,160
Speaker 1: that real quick. The sharp cuts same way on your

1601
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 1: own finger something. If you cut yourself with an extremely

1602
01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 1: sharp knife or a razor blade, it takes forever to

1603
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:53,920
Speaker 1: stop bleeding. The dollar that knife is, or in this case,

1604
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 1: the dollar your broadhead is, the easier it is for

1605
01:36:56,920 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 1: that wound to close back up to coagulate. It's just

1606
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 1: it's science. You can't dispute that. So, yeah, you can't

1607
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:12,200
Speaker 1: be too sharp, shoot sharp. Yeah. Now, so I have

1608
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 1: shot I mean hundreds and hundreds of deer with the

1609
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:21,639
Speaker 1: same head and have seen brought blood trails where one

1610
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,559
Speaker 1: you walk and you're like, man, Stevie Wonder can follow

1611
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 1: this blood trail Like I could video this and send

1612
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:28,680
Speaker 1: it to Slick Trick. They're going to use it on

1613
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 1: every promotional content ever. Or whatever head you're shooting right,

1614
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 1: and I've shot deer with the same head, and then like,

1615
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 1: where the hell is the blood trail? You know, and

1616
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:39,640
Speaker 1: you're like, I know the deer was right here. I

1617
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:41,559
Speaker 1: can look at the footage and see it was standing

1618
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 1: in front of this tree, and there's not a drop

1619
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 1: of blood. The reason for that is shot placement. So

1620
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 1: depending on where you hit that animal. If you shoot

1621
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 1: an animal, and even if you're shooting from an elevated position,

1622
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 1: but based on the topography, that critter is almost level

1623
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,840
Speaker 1: with you, that arrow is entering an exiting almost level

1624
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 1: and you get high lungs. It takes a while for

1625
01:38:06,240 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 1: that blood to fill up before it's sprang out. And

1626
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:11,640
Speaker 1: anybody who's shot a deer like that, I mean, I

1627
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:14,400
Speaker 1: know I have. I think you guys might have. Like

1628
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 1: you're like looking all over and then you find blood,

1629
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 1: and then you find a ton of blood because it's

1630
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 1: finally there and it's blowing out. That's why deer that's

1631
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 1: hitting the heart will blow blood everywhere because it's instant blood.

1632
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:28,519
Speaker 1: It's pumping out, same with a like a fumoral artery hit.

1633
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 1: So the only reason that you will have poor blood

1634
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 1: trails are mainly it's shot placement. Now, if you hit

1635
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 1: a deer low and you get one hole, or maybe

1636
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 1: you're using an over the top expandable, so your entry

1637
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 1: hole is little, and your exit hole potentially gets clogged

1638
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 1: with you know, like a chunk of liver or whatever.

1639
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:54,320
Speaker 1: That obviously will impact your blood trail, but generally lower

1640
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:57,320
Speaker 1: in the lungs is hard to beat. You're gonna have

1641
01:38:57,360 --> 01:39:01,840
Speaker 1: spray everywhere and fantastic trail. A lot of gut shot

1642
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 1: or single like shoulder hit deer or any animal for

1643
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 1: that matter, will end up clogging up and you're basically

1644
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:13,360
Speaker 1: doing the hail Mary circles from there trying to to

1645
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, desperately find that animal nice anything else. Ye,

1646
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 1: So your answer to Lee is make better shot placement.

1647
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 1: Pay pay more attention to your shot placement. Get that

1648
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 1: a little lower in that that lower third of the animals.

1649
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 1: So I want the arrow to exit through my my

1650
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:37,400
Speaker 1: little you know, soccer ball, my kids, soccer ball in

1651
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:41,719
Speaker 1: that lower third of an animal. Um that's that's vital

1652
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:44,720
Speaker 1: to catching what I want to catch and having it

1653
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 1: go through to where that blood trail is instant, and

1654
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 1: it's it's very frothy and short hopefully. Yeah, uh no,

1655
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:56,719
Speaker 1: I don't have anything else, Taylor's there anything we missed

1656
01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 1: that you want to add about broadheads on deer at

1657
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:06,040
Speaker 1: close range and making them not go far at all? No,

1658
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to take you down the rabbit hole. I

1659
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:11,559
Speaker 1: can talk about this for days. I've definitely have a

1660
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:13,960
Speaker 1: little bit of experience in it. So if anybody has

1661
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:16,280
Speaker 1: any questions, let you guys know, and I'm happy to

1662
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 1: help in any way. You can ultimately trust your grell.

1663
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:23,120
Speaker 1: Tell everybody where they can find we know, we have

1664
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:26,640
Speaker 1: the Hank and Hunt podcast, and I tell everybody like

1665
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:29,000
Speaker 1: work they can. They can find you on the Internet

1666
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:34,519
Speaker 1: or Instagram. Yep. Instagram is Urban Bowman and most of

1667
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 1: the hunts that I do end up on YouTube under

1668
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:43,160
Speaker 1: hunts Urban, so check them out. Lots of different broadheads

1669
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:46,280
Speaker 1: being put in the air at critters on there for sure.

1670
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 1: All right, Well, thanks Taylor for everybody listening. You can

1671
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 1: send your questions, things you want to hear or specific

1672
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:57,759
Speaker 1: questions to USK at gear talk at the meter dot com,

1673
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:01,200
Speaker 1: and then if you go to the website at the

1674
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:05,080
Speaker 1: mediator dot com, locate the podcast tab find gear talk

1675
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:08,400
Speaker 1: on each individual episode. You can comment specifically on there

1676
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, or you can get a hold of

1677
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:14,880
Speaker 1: us on Instagram at Jordan's about his Mind and Yannes

1678
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:19,120
Speaker 1: underscore patel us pretty sure it's an underscore gosh, y'all

1679
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 1: just thank you. Can't even remember myself now, shoot us

1680
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:28,599
Speaker 1: a d M directly and we'll address it. So cool.

1681
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:31,639
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening everyone, Thanks guys,