WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Next Man Up 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:04.480 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:06.120 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:15.800 Cowboys Let's go. Are you ready for a break? 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:16.360 Yes? 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:18.239 Are you ready for a break? 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:19.000 Absolutely? 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:21.000 Ready for a break? 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:21.680 Yeah? 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:23.400 And so much for that. 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:27.760 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:35.480 with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Nick Harris, and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.200 It is Tuesday, October eighth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty, 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.040 episode number forty four. Welcome to the latest edition of 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.040 The Break. We are live from the s WBC Mortgage 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.840 Studios at the Star presented by LGLG is the world's 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:52.040 number one OLED TV brand for eleven years in counting. 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:55.440 See why at LG dot Com, Forward slash O led Evo. 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.720 Welcome back to the show Brian and Amber. Today we 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.400 got a lot of fun stuff to Tuesday. We get 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.880 to turn the page and start looking towards the next game. 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.280 Coming off a big win by the Cowboys. We have 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:09.280 some in the first segment, some stories that we didn't 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:11.280 really get to yesterday that I want to talk about. 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:13.800 In the second segment, we will dive into the mind 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.720 of Brian brought Us and see what kinds of thoughts 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.760 he has swirling around up there. That look makes me 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:21.840 think it's gonna be something fun. So we'll see how 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:25.280 that goes, and then hopefully, hopefully, if Amber doesn't have 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:28.480 any objections, in the third segment, we will take some 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:32.319 phone calls and some email from you fans and hear. 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.440 From you here what you accountable? 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:35.039 Please do? 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.280 Please hold me accountable. I've already asked her some questions. 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:39.319 I got a few on Twitter, actually a couple pretty 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.480 good ones. And maybe we'll go to the phone lines, 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:43.840 maybe get some couple of calls as well. We'll see 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:45.440 how all that goes. Let's start first with some of 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:47.720 the storylines we didn't get a chance to really dive 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:52.160 deep into yesterday. I want to start with the offensive line. Obviously, 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:56.200 we had the Cowboys experience an injury there during the game. 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.320 They lost Tyler Guidon. They had Tyler Smith, which was 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.760 a little bit of a rise as he got hurt. 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:03.640 I was I was talking to Nick, who was sitting 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:05.400 beside me, and we were trying to figure out, you know, 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.680 who's coming in for him? Is awesome? Inn is awesome 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.320 in And I'm like, no, Bass is coming in, and 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:12.760 I'm like, oh wow, they're sliding to And this is 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.520 something that we've talked about on the show. We've all agreed. 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:20.480 I think that Tyler Smith is your best backup tackle, 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:23.440 backup left tackle, if not the best tackle you have. 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.880 And then the side Yeah, I think both are fair, right. 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.560 My question for you guys is, with Tyler Smith in 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:34.079 there at tackle, is this your best five? And if 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:37.960 it is, even if Guyton is healthy, should the Cowboys consider, 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:40.880 even if it sets guiding back just a little bit 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:44.320 in his development, rolling with Tyler Smith going forward at 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:46.560 left tackle to ensure they have their best five on 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:46.960 the field. 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:51.520 Well, I do think those are your best five. And 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.840 I think Bass he's a very talented player and for 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:58.440 the longest time he since he got here, he's been 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.600 always a guy that other people talk about him, like teammates, 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:05.639 other coaches bring him up in conversations as far as 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.960 like someone who puts in the work, it's dedicated, has 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:14.880 the talent. So I do like those five. Now where 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.760 it gets complicated is this whole guy in situation where 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.880 are they willing Do you see them actually willing to 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.520 stop his progression Because the only way you get better 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.920 is being out there and playing. So it's do you 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.280 want to just keep him out there or do you 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:35.120 want to actually have your best five? I would, you know, 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:39.160 I'm not scared to make drastic decisions like that, but 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.880 I just I can't imagine a scenario where with him 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:46.440 being healthy, once he gets back healthy, are they actually 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:50.960 willing to keep that line up there and have him 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.720 back in there. Brian, I don't know what your opinion 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.360 on this is because as we've seen it before, and 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:02.200 we talked about Terrence style back when he started first, 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:04.960 they stuck with him. They didn't decide to make any 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.840 like moves or anything like that. So we've seen Mike 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:10.960 McCarthy make those decisions, but we also seen him make 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.960 the decisions where he's willing to also switch out guys. 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:18.440 But personally, I like TJ Bass and I like Tyler 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:20.920 Smith playing where he was at. 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.080 Do you like that because you saw it work in 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.480 a game, Yes. 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:29.960 But also individually, I think individually, talent wise, I do 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:32.400 still think those are your best five players. 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.360 Yeah, I think that because we physically saw it in 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:37.880 a game. Now, you caught a break with her big 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:41.520 getting injured in that game, but but you but you 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:43.760 were at least protected in this game. They made the 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:49.680 determination that we can handle things inside. It's the edges 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.880 we can't handle things. And now you have to ask 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:58.839 yourself this question about uh and you know, is is 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:02.240 it your best five right now as we speak, Yes, 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.680 it is okay. Now you'd have to worry about, though, 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:09.960 is does this player does the kid that you drafted 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.080 for you know, it's playing now and it's going to 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.320 play in the future. Is this going to hurt his 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:20.719 growth going forward? You know not? He he is not 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:25.680 played against a defensive end that he's been better than. 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:26.799 He just hasn't. 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.640 These first five weeks have been everyone that you can 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:33.880 imagine that could be a pass rusher in this league 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.360 that's been good. He's had to deal with that at 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:41.520 one way or another. And so the question you have 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:46.000 to ask yourself is is that are you going to 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:49.800 see more teams that have these types of edge rushers 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.200 or are you going to have to see more teams 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:56.960 that have those inside presence that you need to worry about. 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.240 I think the answer is going to be You're going 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.120 to see more edge rushers, And to me, it would 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:06.880 make sense to keep to keep Tyler Smith that left 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:11.200 tackle you know there there there the thing that the 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.320 thing that guy needs is a lot of technique work. 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.080 And can you give him technique work while he's playing 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.120 the game. That's the biggest problem you have. I mean, 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.880 he's learning on the job. There's going to be now 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:27.360 you know, in week five it's not pretty, but maybe 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.279 in week twelve it's prettier. When he sees some of 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.280 these guys for the second time around that you know 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:35.120 that he'll be able to kind of you know, he 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.239 gets the hang of the feet, the hands, the body position, 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:40.280 all those things. Because right now it's been a little 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:43.680 bit of it's been a trouble for him. So I'm 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.960 weighing this because it's the personnel guy, the former personnel guy. 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.920 I want to see him play. But I realize, though 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.279 I'm in a business right now of trying to win games. 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.960 You know, I'm trying to win. And maybe Dallas has 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:00.400 this great history of plug and play guys, and it 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.720 might have, it might have just to this point come 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:04.760 to a little bit of an end because we've seen 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:08.559 them plug and play and it immediately work with Geyt 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.240 and it looks like the shift from right tackle to 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:15.320 left tackle has been a lot for him, and I 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.200 think that's kind of where I'm at with that. I 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.239 want to see him continue to play, but I also 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.680 know that I'm about to play games with more of 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:27.600 these edge rushers and I but I want to win. 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.160 I want to win, and I want to win. I 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.120 want to win by always having my best five guys 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.240 or eleven guys out there that I can. 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.240 Yeah, in all fairness, if I remember correctly, when we 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.440 were during the during draft season, I think the understanding 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.800 was this is a guy was it was a player 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.040 that was going to require some development. Yeah, he was 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.000 a younger guy. He hadn't had a lot of time 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.680 playing as a starter at Oklahoma, so he was going 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:52.800 to take some development. So in all fairness, we may 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.840 be seeing what we all thought we would see. Yeah, 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:59.400 But then my question becomes, and this is a little 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:01.640 bit unfair, gonna ask it anyway, because I think that's 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.360 I've seen a lot of people talking about it. If 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.080 you go back to the rookie year of say a 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:10.640 Tyron Smith, was he also going through this level of 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:12.800 difficulty or did he adapt a lot faster? 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.640 I remember, I remember, I remember some of the things 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:21.120 with the Tyron Smith of the athletic ability, but not 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.080 to the level of well, the athletic ability, but not 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:25.520 the break. 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.200 Just for clarification, are we talking you said Tyler Smith or. 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:30.360 Tyrants Tyron Smith. 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.600 Yeah, I want to talk about Tyrany Tyler. 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.040 I'm sorry, No, I thought he said Tyron Smith. 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:36.240 Yea. 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.920 In my head, I just thought I thought about Tyron 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:40.199 Smith and tyrannt Smith. 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:45.000 I don't remember Tyron Smith getting broken down this way. 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:49.480 I remember, uh inside pressures and and stuff where he 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.080 was having the power, steps were lacking, and you know, 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:57.280 I just remember him his technique just being in the 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.920 strength and the power just being right there. And he 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.520 he got bigger from the first year to the second year, 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.080 and you know, and then you're like going, okay, but 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:10.600 I don't remember. This is the one plug and play 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.640 guy that they've had that is broken down more than say, 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:21.040 if you go back to Tyron Smith, Zach Martin, Travis Frederick, 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.720 you know, any Tyler Smith, anybody. I mean, we were 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:28.080 so worried about Tyler Smith because of how many holding 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.199 calls he had at Tulsa. Hands were real bad hands 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.920 outside the body. He had some holding calls his first 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:37.120 year having to play, but kind of worked around that 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:42.680 got better. But the thing that's really really hurting Tyler 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:47.080 geitden is his technique is just he can't get his 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:52.360 technique consistent enough right now. It's just it's a good rep, 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.959 it's bad three reps. And now you're kind of going 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:59.560 through that of him. It's like watching a baseball pitcher 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:03.040 trying on the plate. He gets a strikeout and you're like, Okay, 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.000 he's got it together, and then and then he walks 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.440 to and you're like going, okay, now you have to 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.600 pull him because the control's all over the place. So 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:14.040 I I this has been a struggle because I personally 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.800 want the kid to play, but I also understand what's 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:21.800 ahead in these games. I understand the schedule and what's ahead, 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:24.920 and you're gonna be dealing with a lot of these 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:28.760 teams that have especially this weekend, this Aiden Hudginson. You know, 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.280 he's gonna move around and they're gonna find and me personally, 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:36.520 I kind of feel like that I only need questions 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.280 at one tackle, not too do you understand. 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:42.600 Which is what we saw early and again yeah, probably 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:43.320 that both. 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:47.680 I'm saying, if I can eliminate just right now a 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:52.560 question and plug in another guy say plug in basst guard. 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.719 Now I kind of feel like, Okay, I've I've eliminated 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:58.840 that one tackle spot. Now I need to work on 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:02.760 my other tackle. Yeah, it's trying to instead of helping 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:06.640 two tackles, I only really have to concentrate on helping 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:08.960 one tackle. Right. So that's kind of where I'm. 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.160 At right But to me, it's like it should never 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.400 be a debate whether or not like who to play. 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:18.240 You always play who your best player is, who is 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.640 your best That's how I see it as something negative 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.840 for like even I understand in the second year, I 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:29.160 see Tyler Guyan right now to me visually and what 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.559 I see he still needs to put on that muscle 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:34.760 strength and just kind of all. 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:36.840 Right, let me ask you this question then to both 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:38.480 of you, and maybe I should ask it for savor 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.440 it for my questions, But I'll give you a question here. 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:45.760 If Tuma Adoga was healthy right now, would you still 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:46.760 move Tyler Smith? 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.280 I would. I still don't think The reason why I 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:53.719 would is because I don't know if I necessarily think 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:58.480 Tuma Adoga is better than guyon. Okay, the difference between 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.280 the only reason this conversation makes sense to me is 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:05.280 because I think there is an appreciable difference between Tyler 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.680 Smith and Tyler Guidon. I don't think there's that level 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:09.120 of difference. 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:09.280 Now. 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.840 Maybe maybe Adoga's better right now, I don't know if 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.520 it's much better to where I'm like, I will sacrifice 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.360 the development that happens from allowing him to play and 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.040 going through those growing pains with him right now. 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.320 See, this is too more about a little bit about well, 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:25.839 let's go and about Awesome Richards too. Yeah, it's a 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.679 little bit more about them, because now you're thinking you 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:33.120 immediately with Awesome Richards being active, you immediately went to 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.680 a guy who and I know we were all together 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:37.760 at training camp for the whole time. I don't ever 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.800 remember Tyler Smith playing left tackle unless I miss something, 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:42.920 you know, unless I missed a snap. I thought I 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:46.240 watched most of the snaps. Yeah, but they they immediately 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.560 went to that move instead of dealing with and you know, 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.440 they probably felt like that with the way that the 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.679 Steelers are at the edge, they had to do something. 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.880 They couldn't just go with Awesome richardson. But I wonder, Ambar, 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.200 if Adoga was healthy, you still you still feel like 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.199 that they would you still want to go with Tyler Smith? 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:06.560 I would. 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:10.000 I mean, like I said earlier, forget about the positions. 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.560 I think those are your best five players overall, and 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.319 then how do you find a way to have the 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:20.760 best fives? And with a guy like Tyler Smith, he's 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.960 shown you that he can play both positions like you've 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:27.440 seen him be good at it. And that's why I 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.600 thought when you asked about how it started, I thought 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:34.760 that's why Tyler Smith came to mind immediately because of 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.960 the because still him playing in the line. Immediately he 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.720 was a guy that he drew some penalties and things 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.880 like that, but he was very, very solid his first year. 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.920 So this is a situation where I don't care whoever 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.160 else of the backups is healthy at the moment, I 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:57.400 would find a way to always have my best five regardless. 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:59.880 I'll throw one other thing out there too, if you're 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:04.560 if you're talking about development with the age of Zach Martin, 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:06.959 there's a chance that you get into next year and 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:09.560 you don't have Zach Martin on this team. Pass is 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.040 probably the guy that's going to be taking that position. Yeah, 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.320 so you're developing him too, So yeah, you may not 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.720 be getting that time to develop Tyler Geitton, but you're 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.480 developing the guy that may be the successor to Zach 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:21.800 Martin if Zach Martin decides to move on. So I 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:24.760 think either way, I think it from a development standpoint, 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.200 I'm kind of yeah, exactly, you're going to be fine. 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.200 I just think right now where they are as a team, 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.360 with all the injuries, they've got, all the things they're 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:36.240 trying to kind of manage right now, if you've got 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.200 a situation where your best five or not the five 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.240 that are out there, I think you might be better 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:41.880 serve throwing your best five out there. 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.040 On the think the thing and you make a great point. 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:45.880 Both you make great points. The thing you need to 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.920 think about now is your defense is handicapped with all 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.880 the injuries, right you need your offense to get on, 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:54.240 get on the horse. 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:54.800 And go exactly. 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.560 And if having your best five mean that you can 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.840 run the football, you know half fifty play drives, I 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.520 mean they had two fifteen play drives in that game 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.160 the other night. You know that ended up his touchdowns. 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.400 You know that that's your best friend for a defense 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.640 that doesn't have all its pieces together. And if playing 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.680 you know, if playing Tyler Smith. That left tackle and 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.200 basset guard means that you can move the football, run 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:24.200 the football block for your quarterback score more points. You 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.880 owe it to the fifty three guys and the coaches 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:30.600 on that staff to put the best five guys out there. 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:31.920 You know you're absolutely right about that. 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:33.440 All right, we're gonna take our first break. When we 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.360 come back, we will jump into the mind of Brian 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:36.760 brought us. He's got some questions for us. 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:37.480 We'll roll through that. 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:39.680 In the second second. We'll be BA Dallas Cowboys dot 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:40.120 com Radio. 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:43.360 Todd thought it would be secure to jog in the 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.080 cheat of Savannah. 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It is the second segment of The Breakwail 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.159 Life from s WBC Mortgage Studios at the star of 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:43.280 the segment's brought to you by blockchain dot Com. All Right, Brian, 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:44.080 what you got? 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.920 Thank you very much, Derek, appreciate that. I always appreciate 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.280 Tuesday and being able to ask you guys questions that 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.719 kind of I get to test these out that much. 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:54.040 We appreciate you can hear it back. 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.600 Hear these questions back on one five three the fanda 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.639 if they work out pretty well, Derek Eagleton, all right, 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.200 is overshown currently your best defensive player? 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.280 I think Trayvon is still my best defensive player. But yes, 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:13.480 he's up there. He'd probably be top three. Uh, Trayvon 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.960 M Yeah, I probably put him second or third, second 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:18.240 or third. 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.000 So you have Trayvon is your number one best defensive Is. 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:21.960 My best defensive player? 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:22.240 Correct? 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.400 Would you include that? What if you included Tank and 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:25.280 Parsons into that. 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.120 Oh, then he's father down the line, because I would 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.720 say Mike is my best player, Trayvon is my second 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:34.840 best player. Well, Trayvon or Tank or my second best player. 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.240 The other one's third. Probably give him a tie, and 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.959 then I would put him maybe fourth. Okay, So, and 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.040 here's also the thing I'll mention with with overshown No 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:46.000 Texas love by the way, All right, of course it is, 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:48.960 But but I think the other thing I'm thinking about 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.160 when you say the best player, he's the most. He's 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:55.879 an impactful player. He makes some sometimes he has some 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.360 moments where you're like, oh, but but I think that's 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:00.439 also the matter of him being a young play and 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.360 that happened at Texas at times. You do like he'd 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:04.119 have some plays that were a little bit like I 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:05.720 don't know what he was thinking on that one. But 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:08.240 by and large, he's just when he when he makes 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:12.200 a tackle, the run is over like nobody nobody hits 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:14.840 him and and then keeps going. He makes the tackle 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:18.480 when he gets there. He's sure in that way. He's 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.280 all over the field, he runs around, and he plays 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:23.760 with reckless abandon I love that in the linebacker, So yes, 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:24.600 I put him up there. 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:30.200 He g okay, Uh, well, Dix is definitely up there, 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:33.679 and he's still a very very good player on defence. 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:39.920 But but yes, absolutely he's better than you know what 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.000 because and I'm gonna go, you're talking about right now, 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:51.920 are my eyes drone to the most? Why kind of plays? 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:54.480 What kind of player am I noticing the most on 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:55.000 the field? 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:56.080 No? 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:59.200 Hold on, let me finish. He when you talk about 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:02.919 tackle and I've seen, I've seen, I've seen Trevon and 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.760 I love Trevon, okay, but I've seen some mistackles I've 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:10.639 seen and not that Overshow hasn't had those either. But 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:15.840 the way over shown tackles, the way he's just he's 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:19.360 giving it his all and making those stops. You talk 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:24.480 about being impactful, impactful absolutely in his speed I think 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:29.639 he has. He's a little faster than Trevon, and different 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:33.480 positions of the field so you're your your length and 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:36.359 what you're having to run is a little different there. 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:41.520 But the one that I've noticed more involved in things 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:44.280 that are currently and that maybe maybe because he's not 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:47.520 getting the ball thrown that way. I know where you're going, Derek, 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:50.880 I know I get it his presence makes a difference, 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:55.120 But at the moment, who am I seeing more of overshown. 0:21:58.440 --> 0:21:59.000 I've scored? 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:02.199 Hold on, When you're talking about a cornerback, that's one 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.080 position on the field. I don't want my eyes being 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:06.480 drawn to because if my eyes are being drawn to him, 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:08.800 he's probably not having a good day. I want a 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:10.040 cornerback where I'm like, did. 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:11.720 He you don't notice? Yeah? 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:15.000 And I'm like if it feels like he didn't play today, 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:16.760 I'm like, Okay, that was a great day of my 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:19.399 cornerback because that means nobody they weren't even willing to 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:21.399 throw it his way, And that, to me is what 0:22:21.440 --> 0:22:22.440 Trayvon is right now. 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:25.200 Now we have seen a couple times when he's had 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:26.160 opportunities at balls. 0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:26.640 They had the. 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:28.879 Penalty that that negated one of it what would have 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:33.320 been an interception. But I think Trayvon, Trayvon's doing exactly 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:35.320 what you paid him to do. He is the best 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:38.280 cornerback on this team, and by and large, teams are 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:40.720 not challenging him in a way to where that he's 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:43.200 he's they're making plays on the guys that he's covering. 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:45.679 But I think what's still fresh on my mind is 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:49.639 the loss against the Ravens, and I get it, and 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:54.720 everybody played bad, but there were so many plays that Diggs, 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:57.479 based on his experience and everything, I expected him to 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:00.000 play better and do better, and there were some miss 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:02.840 tackles on there where he was I'm like, what what 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:06.040 is going on? I can't expect that from other players 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:09.040 on the team, but not from him. And again, I 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:11.600 agree with you. When you don't notice him that much, 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:14.560 that's great. That's a good thing, and he's being impactful 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:17.920 in that way as well. But yeah, over Shawn right now, 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:18.840 I don't know's. 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:20.800 I'll say this. It's also the hot. 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:23.440 Potato at the moment. He's the trending one at the right. 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:26.960 When you when you also talk about those mistackles, I do, 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:29.840 and this is probably not right. I probably shouldn't, but 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:32.240 I give cornerbacks a little bit of a pass when 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:35.080 they're not great tacklers. I saw the best cornerback in 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:37.760 the history of the game be a not so good 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:41.240 tackler and Deon Sanders pretty good safety doing it. His 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:43.479 son is a good tackle. Yeah, but he plays safety right. 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:46.720 But my point is, like every cornerback is not made 0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:49.520 like Jordan Lewis. Jordan Lewis has that mentality where tackling 0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:51.720 is important and he does it well. I don't think 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:53.399 there are a lot, but there are a lot. There 0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:55.240 are a lot of really good cornerbacks in this league 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:58.160 that don't necessarily do that well. And so I, yes, 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:00.600 I get it, we need to evalue aid him on 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:03.600 that as well. But most importantly, it's like my linebacker. 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:05.679 The most important thing my linebacker can do is make tackles. 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:08.159 Most thing my cornerback can do is take away a 0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:10.480 wide receiver. Trayvon does that extremely well. 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:16.160 Derek. The red zone offense is more of a problem 0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:16.960 than the running game. 0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:24.200 See this is recency bias is what this is. Because 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:27.439 the running game you see question. I know, but we 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:29.280 all saw this running game last week and now we're 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:30.720 like the name. 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:38.000 But it's the red zone offense, the red zone office problem. 0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:40.840 It's because all season we've seen this problem where they've 0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:43.240 Namber's been talking about every single week, why are we 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:45.600 selling for field goals? Why are we selling for field goals? 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:48.320 That's been your argument every week. So I get it, 0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:50.400 and I agree with you, by the way, So I think, yes, 0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:53.040 I think, I think, but I will say this. One 0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:55.399 of the reasons why I've always thought this season that 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:57.800 the red zone has been a problem is because I 0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:00.280 thought they didn't have a running game. Now part of 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:02.960 that is they have not utilized a running game the 0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:05.199 way I think it can be most effective. Commit to 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:08.200 two running backs, right, and use those two running backs 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:10.080 in the way that that they did this last game. 0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:12.040 If they do that, I think it'll be better and 0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:13.680 it'll be good enough for them to be able to 0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:15.479 do the things they want to do offensively. So red 0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:16.879 zone offenses is the bigger problem. 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:20.159 Hey, g I was gonna say, I mean, yeah, there 0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:22.879 are other areas of the field that you can still 0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:29.480 score from start to play from, and then yeah, still no. 0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:33.120 But absolutely it's been And Brian knows what he's doing 0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:36.080 with these questions because the two things go kind of 0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:39.840 hand in hand, red zone and your running game and 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:42.960 what you have to you know, you're just, yeah, you're 0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:44.960 just trying to play tricks over here, but. 0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:47.680 He's us up there. 0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:51.440 I agree with what you said there. As long as 0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:56.440 with the running game starting to kind of get better 0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:59.919 and improve, I think it's gonna open up more opportunities 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:02.760 for you to take during inside the red zone and 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.680 hopefully start scoring more points. 0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:11.320 All right, a g. In the next three games, Tolbert 0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:13.840 will take over as the second wide receiver on the squad. 0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:23.399 Well, Brandon coaxes out for said three games, So in 0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:26.920 the next so when he comes back, it's like, okay, 0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:27.440 get back. 0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:29.920 Are you saying he won't be the starter? 0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:32.840 I'm saying I just said in the next three games, 0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:35.920 Tolbert will take over as the second wide receiver. 0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:38.359 That's two different things. Will he be the starter or 0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.919 will he be the guy that gets more opportunities? Is 0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:41.560 that what you're saying? 0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:44.000 Okay, in the next three games, Tulbert will be the 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:46.399 starter as the second receiver on the squad. 0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:55.280 After after after the next three games, Tolber will build 0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:59.840 will still be the starter on this offense on. 0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:00.159 This what. 0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:04.520 Okay? Interesting question here? 0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:09.280 Oh thank you? I thought I was just trying to confuse. 0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:16.199 You here, Okay, gosh, I love Branding Cooks like I. 0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:21.280 Love him every it's a compliment sandwich here. 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:25.000 Well, I think I'm about to put it more on 0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:29.200 the on the coaching staff and that and the way 0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:31.879 that beutilized him. I don't think that. And I know 0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:36.160 earlier in the earlier in the season, they were Oh, 0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:38.240 I forgot what Gamy was were They just kept trying 0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:40.320 to give him the ball and it just was not 0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:43.280 working out for them. But I don't think they were 0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:46.399 doing it the right way. I think I think a 0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:50.440 guy like Branding Cooks, he's a lot more explosive than Tolber. 0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:53.600 Tolbert has been really, really good in what he's done, 0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:57.280 and I appreciate his work and he's being But the 0:27:57.320 --> 0:27:59.760 point is he catches the ball right, which is good. 0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:01.920 I'm I'm good with that. Just keep catching. But he's 0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:04.199 not a guy that's gonna keep the play going like 0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:08.000 he's gonna He's not gonna catch, run, yeah, and do 0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:12.280 all that. I think Brandon Cooks has that explosive part 0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:16.520 of his game that it could be more athletic in 0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:20.840 that way. So I'm thinking, what's the condition when he 0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:24.000 returns though? Is he going right out? Are they easing 0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:29.800 him in? You know? So I would go with sure, 0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:33.560 Tober is still your number two, because Brandon Cooks is 0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:39.120 being east back into the game. But honestly, I don't 0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:41.040 care as long as all three of them are on 0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:42.280 the field somehow. 0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:43.480 Derek, how about that? 0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:46.960 I don't think he will be the starter, because I 0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:49.840 don't think this team does that. Like I don't think 0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:52.200 they will take a guy like a Brandon Cooks, who 0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:56.320 has been a really good locker room guy for them, veteran, 0:28:56.720 --> 0:29:00.240 veteran presence. I don't think that from injury they will 0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:02.800 be like, you can't start now. What I do think 0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:05.880 will happen is I think as Dak becomes more and 0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:08.520 more comfortable with the idea that Jalen Tolbert can get 0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:10.920 the job done, what we will see is over the 0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:13.440 second half of the year, I think Jalen Tolbert will 0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:16.200 be in effect your second wide receiver because the amount 0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:18.680 of opportunities he will get will be more than Cooks. 0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:21.640 And part of that is I heard somebody say this, 0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:23.959 and I think, I think there's a belief that this 0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:29.360 may be true, that essentially Brandon Cooks can be his 0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:31.840 what the Cowboys use him for can be kind of 0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:35.800 replaced by a turpin like they they use him, they 0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:38.400 use They don't use him as a receiver that's running 0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:41.760 all around the field, using the entire route tree and 0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:45.280 really taking advantage of everything he can do. They use 0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:47.560 him more as a speed guy. And I think the 0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:49.720 difference is Tolbert's more than that, or at least the 0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:51.520 way they're using him is more than that. They're using 0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:53.479 him on a lot of different kinds of routes, and 0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:56.400 I think, quite frankly, one of the things I've noticed 0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:59.520 is it happened in this last game on the touchdown, 0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:02.760 but we've been seeing this throughout training camp and other times. 0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:06.239 Jalen Tobert, I think, has some really strong hands. He 0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:08.600 may not get a lot of separation, but he knows 0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:10.800 how to make a contested catch. And what I think 0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:12.760 I see from Brandon Cooks more frequently than that is 0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:15.000 if you're on him, there's a good chance he won't 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:18.440 catch the ball. Like in those kinds of situations, defender 0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:20.280 tends to break it up or he tends to not 0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:22.080 be able to hold on to it. And I think 0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:24.360 because of that, I think again, Jalen Tolbert is just 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:27.040 a more well rounded wide receiver at this point in 0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:29.080 his career, and I think because of that, he's going 0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:30.920 to get more opportunities and Cooks, even though I think 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:32.200 Cooks will come back and be the starter. 0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:40.320 All right, Derek'll let you answer again. All Right, it's 0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:43.000 now more than critical that the front office needs to 0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:46.120 trade for a major defensive end. 0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:50.120 I'm not convinced of that just yet, because what I 0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:53.240 saw this last game is a defense that played as 0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:56.000 a unit. You didn't have any guys that really necessarily 0:30:56.040 --> 0:31:00.800 stood out as the guy, but as a unit, they 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:05.560 played probably their best game, I would say, arguably as 0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:08.480 a defense, definitely against the run. I think they played 0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:12.240 an outstanding game. So I'm I'm kind of convinced as 0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:14.520 a well, I shouldn't have convinced. Right now, I'm thinking, 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:17.080 you don't necessarily have to make a move yet. Let's 0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:19.480 see how this works over this next game. You're about 0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:21.160 to get challenged in this next game, so you're not 0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:22.920 gonna bring anybody in to make a difference this game. 0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:26.160 We're about to find out in this game and the 0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:28.160 likely well I shouldn't say the likelihood, there is a 0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:31.120 chance that after this game and the bye, you get 0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:33.760 Michael back. So at that point you got one of 0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:36.560 your defensive ends back, you kind of rotate in with 0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:39.160 some of those other guys. Let's see what Needland looked like. 0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:43.600 Looks like, what's four to six weeks, tank four to six, 0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:45.400 fourty eight weeks, whatever that might be. 0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:48.160 I think I don't know, only think six weeks, maybe 0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:50.120 six weeks six okay, yeah. 0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:51.520 But even at that, if I can get if I 0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:54.800 think I'm gonna get Micah back after the bye, then 0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:56.480 I think I might try to roll with this and 0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:58.720 see where it goes. Right now, I like what I 0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:00.800 saw from this unit last week. I don't know that 0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:02.680 I necessarily need to go out and find a gap because, 0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:04.640 by the way, anybody you go out and get, I 0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:06.040 don't think they're going to go out and make a 0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:08.600 trade for somebody that costs a bunch of money, because 0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:10.520 as we know, that's where they don't have a lot 0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:12.960 of options. There's a lot of money, and then you're 0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:14.760 giving up draft picks, which, by the way, you need 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:17.360 those draft picks to play next year because you won't 0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:18.800 have as much money on the cap. So all this 0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:21.520 stuff factors in. I think you stick with what you got. 0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:26.280 Hey, g Yeah, I don't think. I don't see that happening, 0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:30.840 mainly because of the money situation and everything that it involves, 0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:33.080 and we know how limited they're going to be this 0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:36.040 off season in that and they're going to have to 0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:39.960 highly rely on draft picks. But also another thing is 0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:43.920 like depending on how confident are you on this football 0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:48.000 team just overall, like, do you actually see this team 0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:52.120 getting there? Because if so, then let's do it. 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:52.400 You know. 0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:59.160 Look right morning, like. 0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:02.280 Brian likes this. The NFL is a strange lady. 0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:08.120 So you hoody whatever you want to send us. 0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:09.480 But no, I don't. 0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:11.400 I don't know. I don't I don't see it. I 0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:12.760 just don't see it happening. 0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:15.200 Yeah, I think you're right about that. I think, Derek, 0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:16.800 I think both well. I think both the answered. I 0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:19.800 like what you're saying about getting Parsons back, you know, 0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:21.920 and kind of riding with it and see what you got. 0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:24.120 A right, here's the final one for you, A G 0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:27.360 on this one. Should the fans be concerned that Mike 0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:30.120 McCarthy and Dak Prescott are having trouble getting the ball 0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:32.000 to Ceedee Lamb the second half of games? 0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:36.560 Forget the fans me, I'm concerned too. 0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:37.240 You know. 0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:42.280 You should Ambar be concerned that Mike McCarthy and Dak 0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:45.120 Prescott are having trouble getting the ball to Lamb in 0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:46.200 the second half of games. 0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:48.440 I mean, it's funny asked that question because when we 0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:50.680 were talking about Tolbury in my head, I started thinking 0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:54.760 on my what about CD, like he needs to h 0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:59.200 step up as well. I think that scenario that at 0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:02.000 this point we keep talking about oh, missing training camp. 0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:09.440 I mean we're we're in week six, six six, We're 0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:13.920 in week six of the NFL, So by this point 0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:17.919 we should be like, Okay, you've been here, you've been 0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:21.080 practicing all these weeks, so you should be good now 0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:24.640 as far as the connection there, and it hasn't been 0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:30.680 as good as it should be. Also, knowing the contract 0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:34.320 that you gave both of them, I would be expecting 0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:37.680 more from from CD, and he's had some some really 0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:41.000 good moments, even that block where he blocked two people 0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:46.319 last game, I mean that was very impressive. So yes, 0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:50.120 I am a little worried about it and concern and 0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:53.400 so should fans be. I would assume fans some some 0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:54.600 definitely are. 0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:58.960 Derek, you know, I'm I thought it was interesting. Did 0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:01.239 you hear Jerry's comment on this this morning? I thought 0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:03.759 his response was interesting. He was like, you know, it's 0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:07.759 last year or at some point in his career getting 0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:09.680 going early, and everybody's like you can't get him going ear, 0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:11.359 why can't you get him going early? And now they're 0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:13.160 getting getting him going early, and it's like, well, why 0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:15.279 can't you get him going late. It's it's one of 0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:18.799 those things that kind of goes back and forth. To me, 0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:23.640 I'm only concerned if it's a situation where nobody else 0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:26.759 on the offense is stepping up. What I think I'm 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:28.080 starting to see now is this. 0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:30.719 The problem is when you don't have any I mean, 0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:32.640 we talked about the running game, but when you don't 0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:36.080 already have a running game established, you should be able 0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:38.359 to rely on the passing game. 0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:40.440 Yeah, but here's the problem. The problem is if you 0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.640 don't have a running game established, then defenses are going 0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:46.360 to as the game wears on, they're gonna say, okay, 0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:49.160 this number eighty eight is killing us, take him away. 0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:53.040 And when they say take him away, what happens? And 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:56.040 so the only way I get concerned is in the 0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:59.000 second half of games, when CD isn't necessarily being a 0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:02.520 part of the offense. Is much is if jayaln Tobert's 0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:06.360 doing nothing, if Cavante Turpin's doing nothing, if Jake Ferguson's 0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:10.400 doing nothing, if Lipkey's doing nothing. What I saw in 0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:13.759 this last game was all those guys stepped up in 0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:16.000 that second half, and so they were still able to 0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:19.080 get some good momentum going at times, and the running 0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:23.000 game got going, because that's the thing, like any offense 0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:25.680 can be. You can stop one player. Any defense can 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:27.840 stop one player. If they choose to stop a player, 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:30.439 they can stop a player. The question is who else 0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:33.480 can do something? And the more that Dallas shows that 0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:36.960 their other players, their other offensive skilled players, can make plays, 0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:39.439 the more defenses will have to say, Okay, it doesn't 0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:42.080 really do us much good to expend so much of 0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:44.719 our resources on this one player, because these other guys 0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:46.440 are gonna beat us, so let's just play him straight. 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:48.439 And that's how you keep him going through the whole game. 0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:50.440 I don't think it's a matter of Dallas forcing it. 0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:52.640 If team's gonna take him away, let him take him away. 0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:54.520 Let everybody else beat him. And that's how I think 0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:55.319 they admit it. 0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:58.839 People minute the others don't start getting it done, then 0:36:58.880 --> 0:36:59.239 you should have. 0:36:59.320 --> 0:36:59.919 Then you worried. 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:03.920 Then good stuff bright And I guess that's something that 0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:07.320 we saw last year too, where nobody else on offense 0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:09.719 was really doing a whole lot, but CD was the 0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:12.680 one trying to make him pretty much all the plays there, 0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:16.359 so right now, maybe it's just flip that way where 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:18.160 everybody else is kind of doing little something. 0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:21.080 And look, I love what I saw this last game, 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:23.680 because you did. You saw plays being made, like consequential 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:25.560 plays being made by guys that were not the top 0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:28.440 line guys. If you're gonna be good, you're gonna need that. 0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:30.520 You're gonna need those kinds of players to make plays 0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:32.640 and games that force defenses to play you. 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:32.960 Honest. 0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:35.640 It's why San Francisco, when they're fully healthy, it's such 0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:38.960 a problem offensively because they got five guys at any moment. 0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:40.640 Yeah. 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:43.520 Yeah, he goes crazy two weeks ago, right, so yeah, 0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:45.319 they just got all these guys they can keep throwing 0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:47.600 at you. And I think that's the that's the that's 0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:50.439 those are the offenses that are really scary. All right, 0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:52.440 good stuff, Ryan, We will take our final break. We'll 0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:53.839 come back. We'll try to get a couple questions here 0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:56.040 before we end the show. 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He says, through five weeks, what's one thing 0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:49.840 this team does really well and one thing that needs 0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:54.319 to improve to help make this football team more complete? Brian, 0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:55.000 let's go with you first. 0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:57.120 Yeah, they kick field goals and their penalties are bad. 0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:00.600 They do they kick really good field goals. Uh, it 0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:01.279 was funny though. 0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:03.320 Miss He's missed one and the block. 0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:07.760 The block was strange and Steve the center got turned 0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:09.919 a little bit, so they had a leaper on your 0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:13.560 side of the line got kind of turned aside, you 0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:16.920 know with the penetration, and they didn't and uh that 0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:20.759 lowed it was it was left. It was funny it 0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:23.320 was going left. They blocked it on the left side. 0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:26.400 It wasn't something that was a straight kick. It was 0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:29.279 more going to the left. And I've seen him kick 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:32.160 the ball before where it's gone left and and drifted 0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:34.759 back the other way. Maybe h playing the wind or 0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:36.680 something like the outdoor stadium in things. 0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:41.080 Uh but yeah, flame the like the whattonness from the field. 0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:44.560 Yeah, the first was you know, grade from fifty something 0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:49.120 yards out. But uh no, the one thing that they 0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:51.560 do really, really, really well though, other than kicking the 0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:58.880 ball right now. You know, it's a good question, it 0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:00.880 really is. You have an answer. I mean, you have something, 0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:05.160 I know. But the penalties. The penalties are a problem, 0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:07.000 and I don't know if they're going to correct those. 0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:09.680 I think the I think the officials. I think there's 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:11.560 some officials in this league. They're just going to call 0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:14.040 penalties regardless. I don't know if you're gonna get away 0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:15.840 with occasional non calls. 0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:17.960 But they can fix some of the dumb penalties, right, 0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:19.200 I mean, they could there are some. 0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:21.560 Dumb Penalties' talk about this for years now. 0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:24.600 That's what I mean by that is that's a personal thing, 0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:27.640 like that is a player. I'm not going to get 0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:31.399 sucked into this this pushing or punching at this guy 0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:34.560 like Brock Kaufman did in this game. That's what I'm saying, Like, 0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:37.520 those are the kind of penalties like I understand. I 0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:40.880 can understand to some degree, like aggressiveness penalties. Yeah, the 0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.800 wheat penalty. Come on, man, he was trying to I 0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:45.239 don't think he was trying to go forward. 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:46.799 I think that happens. 0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:50.160 Are gonna happen. Caught in the chest and those kind 0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:50.799 of things are gona hap. 0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:53.279 They make the call because the head sets exactly right. 0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:55.239 It's why they make that call. And I think it's 0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:59.600 unfortunate that way, but yeah, it's But I'm trying to 0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:02.239 think of so something though that they do really really well. 0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:05.200 Quarterback was clutch. I mean, have they had to be clutch? 0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:06.839 I mean he brought him back in the Ravens game. 0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:11.000 They were too far back. Maybe the maybe resiliency. Yeah, 0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:14.480 I mean, well, I'm just talking for this season. 0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:19.400 Players they've drafted, all the younger players. 0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:22.760 I just think I think there's some resiliency with this group. 0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:26.960 They might get beat up, but I think there's they 0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:30.200 don't quit. That's Does that make sense? 0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:32.200 No, yeah, I went with you. I'm with you, not 0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:34.279 actually with our next question was actually gonna be that, 0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:36.600 but they were asking about do you do you think 0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:40.799 that the way this game played out, do you say 0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:43.640 that they're now and actually the same person, Alex Camacho says, 0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:46.120 do you rethink the toughness of this team after watching 0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:47.319 what they did this last week? 0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:51.240 Yeah? To me, this is where I going to Pittsburgh 0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:53.279 and winning the game with the number of players that 0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:58.280 they had down, I think was it was huge there. 0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:00.880 You know, to me, I've always a win as a 0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:03.719 win as a win. I never you know, people can 0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:05.640 style point this thing. I know. I did a post 0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:07.040 game to show it one three in the morning. This 0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:09.439 guy's like, you know, I just didn't like the way 0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:11.640 that they played, and I'm at one three in the morning. 0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:14.000 I didn't want to hear that, right, I'm like, they 0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:17.440 won a game in Pittsburgh that they probably shouldn't have 0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:21.560 won because of how beat up their team was. You know, 0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:25.400 they showed a lot of toughness a lot of pride mocks. 0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:28.000 They played hard for each other, They won a game 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:29.920 that they very well could have won. There are a 0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:31.719 lot of people, a lot of cowboy fans, Trust me, 0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:34.000 I read your comments when you tweet at me and 0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:37.000 on my podcasts and stuff. You didn't think they were 0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:39.080 going to win this game. A lot of you did 0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:41.479 not think that they had a chance in this football game. 0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:44.160 They showed a lot of resiliency in getting that done. 0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:48.040 I think something important to know and going along with 0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:51.400 what Brian was talking about earlier resiliency and all of that, 0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:55.799 whatever adjective you want to use for that. But we 0:44:55.800 --> 0:44:59.719 were coming from a week where a lot of the 0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:04.239 way they practice was being questioned. Players were being like 0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:06.759 kind of starting to point at each other a little 0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:09.520 bit as far as like the comments that media was 0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:13.400 getting and then putting out there and questioning like are 0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:17.560 you doing your job? People Mica mentioning like don't be 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.840 a superman, like everybody mentioning that same quote, like just 0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:24.040 do your job and do what you're supposed to do. 0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:28.080 And I think those comments could have easily derailed this 0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:32.720 whole thing and started kind of breaking up the team 0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:35.960 and splitting them in different routes, and we know once 0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:39.440 that happens, that's very difficult to get back together. So 0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:42.080 that's one thing that I would mention, the way that 0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:46.160 they've been able to overcome those and tally back and 0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:50.240 become a team and played with the type of aggressiveness 0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:53.760 that they played that were a very physical team against 0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:56.799 the Steelers. I think that it's I forgot what the 0:45:56.800 --> 0:46:00.600 initial question was, really, but I think that I do 0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:03.320 see a different kind of toughness after that game. 0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:07.480 Yeah, I do wonder if this is I wonder if 0:46:07.520 --> 0:46:09.799 Mike McCarthy is Harken backed. I mentioned this a couple 0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:12.120 of shows ago. Harken back to his days with the 0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:15.960 Packers when they went to the Super Bowl and they 0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:20.319 had all the injuries and really just told this team, look, 0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:22.680 it's you won't be the first one to have a 0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:24.719 bunch of injuries. And you wouldn't be the first one 0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:26.239 to have a bunch of injuries and still be able 0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:28.719 to accomplish some great things. The question is just how 0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:29.920 can you How do you do it? How do you 0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:32.040 pull together in a way to where you're better than 0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:32.840 the some of your parts? 0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:33.080 Right? 0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:36.000 And I think that's what we saw last week was 0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:39.680 that this defense played better than the individuals if you 0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:42.160 take them individually based on the talent level of what 0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:44.440 they had before the injuries to where they are now. 0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:47.120 And that's where I'm like, I just think if you 0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:49.560 can keep riding that and you keep this defense at 0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:52.319 least playing, just hold the line until you can get 0:46:52.320 --> 0:46:54.479 some of these guys back, and then those other guys 0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:56.759 when they come back, get them to play within the 0:46:56.800 --> 0:46:59.200 defense as well in the same way. They have to 0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:02.279 play their role, not try to do too much, not 0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:04.799 try to do something extra, just play your role, and 0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:07.040 I think everything comes to you at that point. All right, 0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:08.680 appreciate you guys, join us. We be back tomorrow. We'll 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:12.280 start looking forward to the next Cowboys game, happens to Sunday, 0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:15.520 Cowboys versus Lions. That'll be an interesting game, a lot 0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:17.960 of storylines around that one. We'll start talking about that tomorrow. 0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:18.319 Till then. 0:47:18.360 --> 0:47:20.680 For Brian brought us Nambergarcia. I'm Derek Eagleson. This has 0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:23.040 been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. 0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:26.759 This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:28.719 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.