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Speaker 1: with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Nick Harris, and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 5: It is Tuesday, October eighth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,
Speaker 5: episode number forty four. Welcome to the latest edition of
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Speaker 5: Welcome back to the show Brian and Amber. Today we
Speaker 5: got a lot of fun stuff to Tuesday. We get
Speaker 5: to turn the page and start looking towards the next game.
Speaker 5: Coming off a big win by the Cowboys. We have
Speaker 5: some in the first segment, some stories that we didn't
Speaker 5: really get to yesterday that I want to talk about.
Speaker 5: In the second segment, we will dive into the mind
Speaker 5: of Brian brought Us and see what kinds of thoughts
Speaker 5: he has swirling around up there. That look makes me
Speaker 5: think it's gonna be something fun. So we'll see how
Speaker 5: that goes, and then hopefully, hopefully, if Amber doesn't have
Speaker 5: any objections, in the third segment, we will take some
Speaker 5: phone calls and some email from you fans and hear.
Speaker 4: From you here what you accountable?
Speaker 2: Please do?
Speaker 5: Please hold me accountable. I've already asked her some questions.
Speaker 5: I got a few on Twitter, actually a couple pretty
Speaker 5: good ones. And maybe we'll go to the phone lines,
Speaker 5: maybe get some couple of calls as well. We'll see
Speaker 5: how all that goes. Let's start first with some of
Speaker 5: the storylines we didn't get a chance to really dive
Speaker 5: deep into yesterday. I want to start with the offensive line. Obviously,
Speaker 5: we had the Cowboys experience an injury there during the game.
Speaker 5: They lost Tyler Guidon. They had Tyler Smith, which was
Speaker 5: a little bit of a rise as he got hurt.
Speaker 5: I was I was talking to Nick, who was sitting
Speaker 5: beside me, and we were trying to figure out, you know,
Speaker 5: who's coming in for him? Is awesome? Inn is awesome
Speaker 5: in And I'm like, no, Bass is coming in, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh wow, they're sliding to And this is
Speaker 5: something that we've talked about on the show. We've all agreed.
Speaker 5: I think that Tyler Smith is your best backup tackle,
Speaker 5: backup left tackle, if not the best tackle you have.
Speaker 5: And then the side Yeah, I think both are fair, right.
Speaker 5: My question for you guys is, with Tyler Smith in
Speaker 5: there at tackle, is this your best five? And if
Speaker 5: it is, even if Guyton is healthy, should the Cowboys consider,
Speaker 5: even if it sets guiding back just a little bit
Speaker 5: in his development, rolling with Tyler Smith going forward at
Speaker 5: left tackle to ensure they have their best five on
Speaker 5: the field.
Speaker 4: Well, I do think those are your best five. And
Speaker 4: I think Bass he's a very talented player and for
Speaker 4: the longest time he since he got here, he's been
Speaker 4: always a guy that other people talk about him, like teammates,
Speaker 4: other coaches bring him up in conversations as far as
Speaker 4: like someone who puts in the work, it's dedicated, has
Speaker 4: the talent. So I do like those five. Now where
Speaker 4: it gets complicated is this whole guy in situation where
Speaker 4: are they willing Do you see them actually willing to
Speaker 4: stop his progression Because the only way you get better
Speaker 4: is being out there and playing. So it's do you
Speaker 4: want to just keep him out there or do you
Speaker 4: want to actually have your best five? I would, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm not scared to make drastic decisions like that, but
Speaker 4: I just I can't imagine a scenario where with him
Speaker 4: being healthy, once he gets back healthy, are they actually
Speaker 4: willing to keep that line up there and have him
Speaker 4: back in there. Brian, I don't know what your opinion
Speaker 4: on this is because as we've seen it before, and
Speaker 4: we talked about Terrence style back when he started first,
Speaker 4: they stuck with him. They didn't decide to make any
Speaker 4: like moves or anything like that. So we've seen Mike
Speaker 4: McCarthy make those decisions, but we also seen him make
Speaker 4: the decisions where he's willing to also switch out guys.
Speaker 4: But personally, I like TJ Bass and I like Tyler
Speaker 4: Smith playing where he was at.
Speaker 6: Do you like that because you saw it work in
Speaker 6: a game, Yes.
Speaker 4: But also individually, I think individually, talent wise, I do
Speaker 4: still think those are your best five players.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that because we physically saw it in
Speaker 6: a game. Now, you caught a break with her big
Speaker 6: getting injured in that game, but but you but you
Speaker 6: were at least protected in this game. They made the
Speaker 6: determination that we can handle things inside. It's the edges
Speaker 6: we can't handle things. And now you have to ask
Speaker 6: yourself this question about uh and you know, is is
Speaker 6: it your best five right now as we speak, Yes,
Speaker 6: it is okay. Now you'd have to worry about, though,
Speaker 6: is does this player does the kid that you drafted
Speaker 6: for you know, it's playing now and it's going to
Speaker 6: play in the future. Is this going to hurt his
Speaker 6: growth going forward? You know not? He he is not
Speaker 6: played against a defensive end that he's been better than.
Speaker 2: He just hasn't.
Speaker 6: These first five weeks have been everyone that you can
Speaker 6: imagine that could be a pass rusher in this league
Speaker 6: that's been good. He's had to deal with that at
Speaker 6: one way or another. And so the question you have
Speaker 6: to ask yourself is is that are you going to
Speaker 6: see more teams that have these types of edge rushers
Speaker 6: or are you going to have to see more teams
Speaker 6: that have those inside presence that you need to worry about.
Speaker 6: I think the answer is going to be You're going
Speaker 6: to see more edge rushers, And to me, it would
Speaker 6: make sense to keep to keep Tyler Smith that left
Speaker 6: tackle you know there there there the thing that the
Speaker 6: thing that guy needs is a lot of technique work.
Speaker 6: And can you give him technique work while he's playing
Speaker 6: the game. That's the biggest problem you have. I mean,
Speaker 6: he's learning on the job. There's going to be now
Speaker 6: you know, in week five it's not pretty, but maybe
Speaker 6: in week twelve it's prettier. When he sees some of
Speaker 6: these guys for the second time around that you know
Speaker 6: that he'll be able to kind of you know, he
Speaker 6: gets the hang of the feet, the hands, the body position,
Speaker 6: all those things. Because right now it's been a little
Speaker 6: bit of it's been a trouble for him. So I'm
Speaker 6: weighing this because it's the personnel guy, the former personnel guy.
Speaker 6: I want to see him play. But I realize, though
Speaker 6: I'm in a business right now of trying to win games.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm trying to win. And maybe Dallas has
Speaker 6: this great history of plug and play guys, and it
Speaker 6: might have, it might have just to this point come
Speaker 6: to a little bit of an end because we've seen
Speaker 6: them plug and play and it immediately work with Geyt
Speaker 6: and it looks like the shift from right tackle to
Speaker 6: left tackle has been a lot for him, and I
Speaker 6: think that's kind of where I'm at with that. I
Speaker 6: want to see him continue to play, but I also
Speaker 6: know that I'm about to play games with more of
Speaker 6: these edge rushers and I but I want to win.
Speaker 6: I want to win, and I want to win. I
Speaker 6: want to win by always having my best five guys
Speaker 6: or eleven guys out there that I can.
Speaker 5: Yeah, in all fairness, if I remember correctly, when we
Speaker 5: were during the during draft season, I think the understanding
Speaker 5: was this is a guy was it was a player
Speaker 5: that was going to require some development. Yeah, he was
Speaker 5: a younger guy. He hadn't had a lot of time
Speaker 5: playing as a starter at Oklahoma, so he was going
Speaker 5: to take some development. So in all fairness, we may
Speaker 5: be seeing what we all thought we would see. Yeah,
Speaker 5: But then my question becomes, and this is a little
Speaker 5: bit unfair, gonna ask it anyway, because I think that's
Speaker 5: I've seen a lot of people talking about it. If
Speaker 5: you go back to the rookie year of say a
Speaker 5: Tyron Smith, was he also going through this level of
Speaker 5: difficulty or did he adapt a lot faster?
Speaker 6: I remember, I remember, I remember some of the things
Speaker 6: with the Tyron Smith of the athletic ability, but not
Speaker 6: to the level of well, the athletic ability, but not
Speaker 6: the break.
Speaker 4: Just for clarification, are we talking you said Tyler Smith or.
Speaker 6: Tyrants Tyron Smith.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to talk about Tyrany Tyler.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, No, I thought he said Tyron Smith.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 5: In my head, I just thought I thought about Tyron
Speaker 5: Smith and tyrannt Smith.
Speaker 6: I don't remember Tyron Smith getting broken down this way.
Speaker 6: I remember, uh inside pressures and and stuff where he
Speaker 6: was having the power, steps were lacking, and you know,
Speaker 6: I just remember him his technique just being in the
Speaker 6: strength and the power just being right there. And he
Speaker 6: he got bigger from the first year to the second year,
Speaker 6: and you know, and then you're like going, okay, but
Speaker 6: I don't remember. This is the one plug and play
Speaker 6: guy that they've had that is broken down more than say,
Speaker 6: if you go back to Tyron Smith, Zach Martin, Travis Frederick,
Speaker 6: you know, any Tyler Smith, anybody. I mean, we were
Speaker 6: so worried about Tyler Smith because of how many holding
Speaker 6: calls he had at Tulsa. Hands were real bad hands
Speaker 6: outside the body. He had some holding calls his first
Speaker 6: year having to play, but kind of worked around that
Speaker 6: got better. But the thing that's really really hurting Tyler
Speaker 6: geitden is his technique is just he can't get his
Speaker 6: technique consistent enough right now. It's just it's a good rep,
Speaker 6: it's bad three reps. And now you're kind of going
Speaker 6: through that of him. It's like watching a baseball pitcher
Speaker 6: trying on the plate. He gets a strikeout and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 6: he's got it together, and then and then he walks
Speaker 6: to and you're like going, okay, now you have to
Speaker 6: pull him because the control's all over the place. So
Speaker 6: I I this has been a struggle because I personally
Speaker 6: want the kid to play, but I also understand what's
Speaker 6: ahead in these games. I understand the schedule and what's ahead,
Speaker 6: and you're gonna be dealing with a lot of these
Speaker 6: teams that have especially this weekend, this Aiden Hudginson. You know,
Speaker 6: he's gonna move around and they're gonna find and me personally,
Speaker 6: I kind of feel like that I only need questions
Speaker 6: at one tackle, not too do you understand.
Speaker 5: Which is what we saw early and again yeah, probably
Speaker 5: that both.
Speaker 6: I'm saying, if I can eliminate just right now a
Speaker 6: question and plug in another guy say plug in basst guard.
Speaker 6: Now I kind of feel like, Okay, I've I've eliminated
Speaker 6: that one tackle spot. Now I need to work on
Speaker 6: my other tackle. Yeah, it's trying to instead of helping
Speaker 6: two tackles, I only really have to concentrate on helping
Speaker 6: one tackle. Right. So that's kind of where I'm.
Speaker 4: At right But to me, it's like it should never
Speaker 4: be a debate whether or not like who to play.
Speaker 4: You always play who your best player is, who is
Speaker 4: your best That's how I see it as something negative
Speaker 4: for like even I understand in the second year, I
Speaker 4: see Tyler Guyan right now to me visually and what
Speaker 4: I see he still needs to put on that muscle
Speaker 4: strength and just kind of all.
Speaker 6: Right, let me ask you this question then to both
Speaker 6: of you, and maybe I should ask it for savor
Speaker 6: it for my questions, But I'll give you a question here.
Speaker 6: If Tuma Adoga was healthy right now, would you still
Speaker 6: move Tyler Smith?
Speaker 5: I would. I still don't think The reason why I
Speaker 5: would is because I don't know if I necessarily think
Speaker 5: Tuma Adoga is better than guyon. Okay, the difference between
Speaker 5: the only reason this conversation makes sense to me is
Speaker 5: because I think there is an appreciable difference between Tyler
Speaker 5: Smith and Tyler Guidon. I don't think there's that level
Speaker 5: of difference.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe Adoga's better right now, I don't know if
Speaker 5: it's much better to where I'm like, I will sacrifice
Speaker 5: the development that happens from allowing him to play and
Speaker 5: going through those growing pains with him right now.
Speaker 6: See, this is too more about a little bit about well,
Speaker 6: let's go and about Awesome Richards too. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 6: little bit more about them, because now you're thinking you
Speaker 6: immediately with Awesome Richards being active, you immediately went to
Speaker 6: a guy who and I know we were all together
Speaker 6: at training camp for the whole time. I don't ever
Speaker 6: remember Tyler Smith playing left tackle unless I miss something,
Speaker 6: you know, unless I missed a snap. I thought I
Speaker 6: watched most of the snaps. Yeah, but they they immediately
Speaker 6: went to that move instead of dealing with and you know,
Speaker 6: they probably felt like that with the way that the
Speaker 6: Steelers are at the edge, they had to do something.
Speaker 6: They couldn't just go with Awesome richardson. But I wonder, Ambar,
Speaker 6: if Adoga was healthy, you still you still feel like
Speaker 6: that they would you still want to go with Tyler Smith?
Speaker 6: I would.
Speaker 4: I mean, like I said earlier, forget about the positions.
Speaker 4: I think those are your best five players overall, and
Speaker 4: then how do you find a way to have the
Speaker 4: best fives? And with a guy like Tyler Smith, he's
Speaker 4: shown you that he can play both positions like you've
Speaker 4: seen him be good at it. And that's why I
Speaker 4: thought when you asked about how it started, I thought
Speaker 4: that's why Tyler Smith came to mind immediately because of
Speaker 4: the because still him playing in the line. Immediately he
Speaker 4: was a guy that he drew some penalties and things
Speaker 4: like that, but he was very, very solid his first year.
Speaker 4: So this is a situation where I don't care whoever
Speaker 4: else of the backups is healthy at the moment, I
Speaker 4: would find a way to always have my best five regardless.
Speaker 5: I'll throw one other thing out there too, if you're
Speaker 5: if you're talking about development with the age of Zach Martin,
Speaker 5: there's a chance that you get into next year and
Speaker 5: you don't have Zach Martin on this team. Pass is
Speaker 5: probably the guy that's going to be taking that position. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so you're developing him too, So yeah, you may not
Speaker 5: be getting that time to develop Tyler Geitton, but you're
Speaker 5: developing the guy that may be the successor to Zach
Speaker 5: Martin if Zach Martin decides to move on. So I
Speaker 5: think either way, I think it from a development standpoint,
Speaker 5: I'm kind of yeah, exactly, you're going to be fine.
Speaker 5: I just think right now where they are as a team,
Speaker 5: with all the injuries, they've got, all the things they're
Speaker 5: trying to kind of manage right now, if you've got
Speaker 5: a situation where your best five or not the five
Speaker 5: that are out there, I think you might be better
Speaker 5: serve throwing your best five out there.
Speaker 6: On the think the thing and you make a great point.
Speaker 6: Both you make great points. The thing you need to
Speaker 6: think about now is your defense is handicapped with all
Speaker 6: the injuries, right you need your offense to get on,
Speaker 6: get on the horse.
Speaker 2: And go exactly.
Speaker 6: And if having your best five mean that you can
Speaker 6: run the football, you know half fifty play drives, I
Speaker 6: mean they had two fifteen play drives in that game
Speaker 6: the other night. You know that ended up his touchdowns.
Speaker 6: You know that that's your best friend for a defense
Speaker 6: that doesn't have all its pieces together. And if playing
Speaker 6: you know, if playing Tyler Smith. That left tackle and
Speaker 6: basset guard means that you can move the football, run
Speaker 6: the football block for your quarterback score more points. You
Speaker 6: owe it to the fifty three guys and the coaches
Speaker 6: on that staff to put the best five guys out there.
Speaker 6: You know you're absolutely right about that.
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Speaker 5: Welcome back. It is the second segment of The Breakwail
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Speaker 5: what you got?
Speaker 6: Thank you very much, Derek, appreciate that. I always appreciate
Speaker 6: Tuesday and being able to ask you guys questions that
Speaker 6: kind of I get to test these out that much.
Speaker 5: We appreciate you can hear it back.
Speaker 6: Hear these questions back on one five three the fanda
Speaker 6: if they work out pretty well, Derek Eagleton, all right,
Speaker 6: is overshown currently your best defensive player?
Speaker 5: I think Trayvon is still my best defensive player. But yes,
Speaker 5: he's up there. He'd probably be top three. Uh, Trayvon
Speaker 5: M Yeah, I probably put him second or third, second
Speaker 5: or third.
Speaker 6: So you have Trayvon is your number one best defensive Is.
Speaker 5: My best defensive player?
Speaker 8: Correct?
Speaker 6: Would you include that? What if you included Tank and
Speaker 6: Parsons into that.
Speaker 5: Oh, then he's father down the line, because I would
Speaker 5: say Mike is my best player, Trayvon is my second
Speaker 5: best player. Well, Trayvon or Tank or my second best player.
Speaker 5: The other one's third. Probably give him a tie, and
Speaker 5: then I would put him maybe fourth. Okay, So, and
Speaker 5: here's also the thing I'll mention with with overshown No
Speaker 5: Texas love by the way, All right, of course it is,
Speaker 5: But but I think the other thing I'm thinking about
Speaker 5: when you say the best player, he's the most. He's
Speaker 5: an impactful player. He makes some sometimes he has some
Speaker 5: moments where you're like, oh, but but I think that's
Speaker 5: also the matter of him being a young play and
Speaker 5: that happened at Texas at times. You do like he'd
Speaker 5: have some plays that were a little bit like I
Speaker 5: don't know what he was thinking on that one. But
Speaker 5: by and large, he's just when he when he makes
Speaker 5: a tackle, the run is over like nobody nobody hits
Speaker 5: him and and then keeps going. He makes the tackle
Speaker 5: when he gets there. He's sure in that way. He's
Speaker 5: all over the field, he runs around, and he plays
Speaker 5: with reckless abandon I love that in the linebacker, So yes,
Speaker 5: I put him up there.
Speaker 4: He g okay, Uh, well, Dix is definitely up there,
Speaker 4: and he's still a very very good player on defence.
Speaker 4: But but yes, absolutely he's better than you know what
Speaker 4: because and I'm gonna go, you're talking about right now,
Speaker 4: are my eyes drone to the most? Why kind of plays?
Speaker 4: What kind of player am I noticing the most on
Speaker 4: the field?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Hold on, let me finish. He when you talk about
Speaker 4: tackle and I've seen, I've seen, I've seen Trevon and
Speaker 4: I love Trevon, okay, but I've seen some mistackles I've
Speaker 4: seen and not that Overshow hasn't had those either. But
Speaker 4: the way over shown tackles, the way he's just he's
Speaker 4: giving it his all and making those stops. You talk
Speaker 4: about being impactful, impactful absolutely in his speed I think
Speaker 4: he has. He's a little faster than Trevon, and different
Speaker 4: positions of the field so you're your your length and
Speaker 4: what you're having to run is a little different there.
Speaker 4: But the one that I've noticed more involved in things
Speaker 4: that are currently and that maybe maybe because he's not
Speaker 4: getting the ball thrown that way. I know where you're going, Derek,
Speaker 4: I know I get it his presence makes a difference,
Speaker 4: But at the moment, who am I seeing more of overshown.
Speaker 2: I've scored?
Speaker 5: Hold on, When you're talking about a cornerback, that's one
Speaker 5: position on the field. I don't want my eyes being
Speaker 5: drawn to because if my eyes are being drawn to him,
Speaker 5: he's probably not having a good day. I want a
Speaker 5: cornerback where I'm like, did.
Speaker 4: He you don't notice? Yeah?
Speaker 13: And I'm like if it feels like he didn't play today,
Speaker 13: I'm like, Okay, that was a great day of my
Speaker 13: cornerback because that means nobody they weren't even willing to
Speaker 13: throw it his way, And that, to me is what
Speaker 13: Trayvon is right now.
Speaker 5: Now we have seen a couple times when he's had
Speaker 5: opportunities at balls.
Speaker 6: They had the.
Speaker 5: Penalty that that negated one of it what would have
Speaker 5: been an interception. But I think Trayvon, Trayvon's doing exactly
Speaker 5: what you paid him to do. He is the best
Speaker 5: cornerback on this team, and by and large, teams are
Speaker 5: not challenging him in a way to where that he's
Speaker 5: he's they're making plays on the guys that he's covering.
Speaker 4: But I think what's still fresh on my mind is
Speaker 4: the loss against the Ravens, and I get it, and
Speaker 4: everybody played bad, but there were so many plays that Diggs,
Speaker 4: based on his experience and everything, I expected him to
Speaker 4: play better and do better, and there were some miss
Speaker 4: tackles on there where he was I'm like, what what
Speaker 4: is going on? I can't expect that from other players
Speaker 4: on the team, but not from him. And again, I
Speaker 4: agree with you. When you don't notice him that much,
Speaker 4: that's great. That's a good thing, and he's being impactful
Speaker 4: in that way as well. But yeah, over Shawn right now,
Speaker 4: I don't know's.
Speaker 5: I'll say this. It's also the hot.
Speaker 4: Potato at the moment. He's the trending one at the right.
Speaker 5: When you when you also talk about those mistackles, I do,
Speaker 5: and this is probably not right. I probably shouldn't, but
Speaker 5: I give cornerbacks a little bit of a pass when
Speaker 5: they're not great tacklers. I saw the best cornerback in
Speaker 5: the history of the game be a not so good
Speaker 5: tackler and Deon Sanders pretty good safety doing it. His
Speaker 5: son is a good tackle. Yeah, but he plays safety right.
Speaker 5: But my point is, like every cornerback is not made
Speaker 5: like Jordan Lewis. Jordan Lewis has that mentality where tackling
Speaker 5: is important and he does it well. I don't think
Speaker 5: there are a lot, but there are a lot. There
Speaker 5: are a lot of really good cornerbacks in this league
Speaker 5: that don't necessarily do that well. And so I, yes,
Speaker 5: I get it, we need to evalue aid him on
Speaker 5: that as well. But most importantly, it's like my linebacker.
Speaker 5: The most important thing my linebacker can do is make tackles.
Speaker 5: Most thing my cornerback can do is take away a
Speaker 5: wide receiver. Trayvon does that extremely well.
Speaker 6: Derek. The red zone offense is more of a problem
Speaker 6: than the running game.
Speaker 5: See this is recency bias is what this is. Because
Speaker 5: the running game you see question. I know, but we
Speaker 5: all saw this running game last week and now we're
Speaker 5: like the name.
Speaker 6: But it's the red zone offense, the red zone office problem.
Speaker 5: It's because all season we've seen this problem where they've
Speaker 5: Namber's been talking about every single week, why are we
Speaker 5: selling for field goals? Why are we selling for field goals?
Speaker 5: That's been your argument every week. So I get it,
Speaker 5: and I agree with you, by the way, So I think, yes,
Speaker 5: I think, I think, but I will say this. One
Speaker 5: of the reasons why I've always thought this season that
Speaker 5: the red zone has been a problem is because I
Speaker 5: thought they didn't have a running game. Now part of
Speaker 5: that is they have not utilized a running game the
Speaker 5: way I think it can be most effective. Commit to
Speaker 5: two running backs, right, and use those two running backs
Speaker 5: in the way that that they did this last game.
Speaker 5: If they do that, I think it'll be better and
Speaker 5: it'll be good enough for them to be able to
Speaker 5: do the things they want to do offensively. So red
Speaker 5: zone offenses is the bigger problem.
Speaker 4: Hey, g I was gonna say, I mean, yeah, there
Speaker 4: are other areas of the field that you can still
Speaker 4: score from start to play from, and then yeah, still no.
Speaker 4: But absolutely it's been And Brian knows what he's doing
Speaker 4: with these questions because the two things go kind of
Speaker 4: hand in hand, red zone and your running game and
Speaker 4: what you have to you know, you're just, yeah, you're
Speaker 4: just trying to play tricks over here, but.
Speaker 5: He's us up there.
Speaker 4: I agree with what you said there. As long as
Speaker 4: with the running game starting to kind of get better
Speaker 4: and improve, I think it's gonna open up more opportunities
Speaker 4: for you to take during inside the red zone and
Speaker 4: hopefully start scoring more points.
Speaker 6: All right, a g. In the next three games, Tolbert
Speaker 6: will take over as the second wide receiver on the squad.
Speaker 4: Well, Brandon coaxes out for said three games, So in
Speaker 4: the next so when he comes back, it's like, okay,
Speaker 4: get back.
Speaker 5: Are you saying he won't be the starter?
Speaker 6: I'm saying I just said in the next three games,
Speaker 6: Tolbert will take over as the second wide receiver.
Speaker 5: That's two different things. Will he be the starter or
Speaker 5: will he be the guy that gets more opportunities? Is
Speaker 5: that what you're saying?
Speaker 6: Okay, in the next three games, Tulbert will be the
Speaker 6: starter as the second receiver on the squad.
Speaker 14: After after after the next three games, Tolber will build
Speaker 14: will still be the starter on this offense on.
Speaker 6: This what.
Speaker 4: Okay? Interesting question here?
Speaker 6: Oh thank you? I thought I was just trying to confuse.
Speaker 4: You here, Okay, gosh, I love Branding Cooks like I.
Speaker 6: Love him every it's a compliment sandwich here.
Speaker 4: Well, I think I'm about to put it more on
Speaker 4: the on the coaching staff and that and the way
Speaker 4: that beutilized him. I don't think that. And I know
Speaker 4: earlier in the earlier in the season, they were Oh,
Speaker 4: I forgot what Gamy was were They just kept trying
Speaker 4: to give him the ball and it just was not
Speaker 4: working out for them. But I don't think they were
Speaker 4: doing it the right way. I think I think a
Speaker 4: guy like Branding Cooks, he's a lot more explosive than Tolber.
Speaker 4: Tolbert has been really, really good in what he's done,
Speaker 4: and I appreciate his work and he's being But the
Speaker 4: point is he catches the ball right, which is good.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm good with that. Just keep catching. But he's
Speaker 4: not a guy that's gonna keep the play going like
Speaker 4: he's gonna He's not gonna catch, run, yeah, and do
Speaker 4: all that. I think Brandon Cooks has that explosive part
Speaker 4: of his game that it could be more athletic in
Speaker 4: that way. So I'm thinking, what's the condition when he
Speaker 4: returns though? Is he going right out? Are they easing
Speaker 4: him in? You know? So I would go with sure,
Speaker 4: Tober is still your number two, because Brandon Cooks is
Speaker 4: being east back into the game. But honestly, I don't
Speaker 4: care as long as all three of them are on
Speaker 4: the field somehow.
Speaker 6: Derek, how about that?
Speaker 5: I don't think he will be the starter, because I
Speaker 5: don't think this team does that. Like I don't think
Speaker 5: they will take a guy like a Brandon Cooks, who
Speaker 5: has been a really good locker room guy for them, veteran,
Speaker 5: veteran presence. I don't think that from injury they will
Speaker 5: be like, you can't start now. What I do think
Speaker 5: will happen is I think as Dak becomes more and
Speaker 5: more comfortable with the idea that Jalen Tolbert can get
Speaker 5: the job done, what we will see is over the
Speaker 5: second half of the year, I think Jalen Tolbert will
Speaker 5: be in effect your second wide receiver because the amount
Speaker 5: of opportunities he will get will be more than Cooks.
Speaker 5: And part of that is I heard somebody say this,
Speaker 5: and I think, I think there's a belief that this
Speaker 5: may be true, that essentially Brandon Cooks can be his
Speaker 5: what the Cowboys use him for can be kind of
Speaker 5: replaced by a turpin like they they use him, they
Speaker 5: use They don't use him as a receiver that's running
Speaker 5: all around the field, using the entire route tree and
Speaker 5: really taking advantage of everything he can do. They use
Speaker 5: him more as a speed guy. And I think the
Speaker 5: difference is Tolbert's more than that, or at least the
Speaker 5: way they're using him is more than that. They're using
Speaker 5: him on a lot of different kinds of routes, and
Speaker 5: I think, quite frankly, one of the things I've noticed
Speaker 5: is it happened in this last game on the touchdown,
Speaker 5: but we've been seeing this throughout training camp and other times.
Speaker 5: Jalen Tobert, I think, has some really strong hands. He
Speaker 5: may not get a lot of separation, but he knows
Speaker 5: how to make a contested catch. And what I think
Speaker 5: I see from Brandon Cooks more frequently than that is
Speaker 5: if you're on him, there's a good chance he won't
Speaker 5: catch the ball. Like in those kinds of situations, defender
Speaker 5: tends to break it up or he tends to not
Speaker 5: be able to hold on to it. And I think
Speaker 5: because of that, I think again, Jalen Tolbert is just
Speaker 5: a more well rounded wide receiver at this point in
Speaker 5: his career, and I think because of that, he's going
Speaker 5: to get more opportunities and Cooks, even though I think
Speaker 5: Cooks will come back and be the starter.
Speaker 6: All right, Derek'll let you answer again. All Right, it's
Speaker 6: now more than critical that the front office needs to
Speaker 6: trade for a major defensive end.
Speaker 5: I'm not convinced of that just yet, because what I
Speaker 5: saw this last game is a defense that played as
Speaker 5: a unit. You didn't have any guys that really necessarily
Speaker 5: stood out as the guy, but as a unit, they
Speaker 5: played probably their best game, I would say, arguably as
Speaker 5: a defense, definitely against the run. I think they played
Speaker 5: an outstanding game. So I'm I'm kind of convinced as
Speaker 5: a well, I shouldn't have convinced. Right now, I'm thinking,
Speaker 5: you don't necessarily have to make a move yet. Let's
Speaker 5: see how this works over this next game. You're about
Speaker 5: to get challenged in this next game, so you're not
Speaker 5: gonna bring anybody in to make a difference this game.
Speaker 5: We're about to find out in this game and the
Speaker 5: likely well I shouldn't say the likelihood, there is a
Speaker 5: chance that after this game and the bye, you get
Speaker 5: Michael back. So at that point you got one of
Speaker 5: your defensive ends back, you kind of rotate in with
Speaker 5: some of those other guys. Let's see what Needland looked like.
Speaker 5: Looks like, what's four to six weeks, tank four to six,
Speaker 5: fourty eight weeks, whatever that might be.
Speaker 6: I think I don't know, only think six weeks, maybe
Speaker 6: six weeks six okay, yeah.
Speaker 5: But even at that, if I can get if I
Speaker 5: think I'm gonna get Micah back after the bye, then
Speaker 5: I think I might try to roll with this and
Speaker 5: see where it goes. Right now, I like what I
Speaker 5: saw from this unit last week. I don't know that
Speaker 5: I necessarily need to go out and find a gap because,
Speaker 5: by the way, anybody you go out and get, I
Speaker 5: don't think they're going to go out and make a
Speaker 5: trade for somebody that costs a bunch of money, because
Speaker 5: as we know, that's where they don't have a lot
Speaker 5: of options. There's a lot of money, and then you're
Speaker 5: giving up draft picks, which, by the way, you need
Speaker 5: those draft picks to play next year because you won't
Speaker 5: have as much money on the cap. So all this
Speaker 5: stuff factors in. I think you stick with what you got.
Speaker 4: Hey, g Yeah, I don't think. I don't see that happening,
Speaker 4: mainly because of the money situation and everything that it involves,
Speaker 4: and we know how limited they're going to be this
Speaker 4: off season in that and they're going to have to
Speaker 4: highly rely on draft picks. But also another thing is
Speaker 4: like depending on how confident are you on this football
Speaker 4: team just overall, like, do you actually see this team
Speaker 4: getting there? Because if so, then let's do it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: Look right morning, like.
Speaker 4: Brian likes this. The NFL is a strange lady.
Speaker 6: So you hoody whatever you want to send us.
Speaker 5: But no, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't I don't see it. I
Speaker 4: just don't see it happening.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you're right about that. I think, Derek,
Speaker 6: I think both well. I think both the answered. I
Speaker 6: like what you're saying about getting Parsons back, you know,
Speaker 6: and kind of riding with it and see what you got.
Speaker 6: A right, here's the final one for you, A G
Speaker 6: on this one. Should the fans be concerned that Mike
Speaker 6: McCarthy and Dak Prescott are having trouble getting the ball
Speaker 6: to Ceedee Lamb the second half of games?
Speaker 4: Forget the fans me, I'm concerned too.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: You should Ambar be concerned that Mike McCarthy and Dak
Speaker 6: Prescott are having trouble getting the ball to Lamb in
Speaker 6: the second half of games.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's funny asked that question because when we
Speaker 4: were talking about Tolbury in my head, I started thinking
Speaker 4: on my what about CD, like he needs to h
Speaker 4: step up as well. I think that scenario that at
Speaker 4: this point we keep talking about oh, missing training camp.
Speaker 4: I mean we're we're in week six, six six, We're
Speaker 4: in week six of the NFL, So by this point
Speaker 4: we should be like, Okay, you've been here, you've been
Speaker 4: practicing all these weeks, so you should be good now
Speaker 4: as far as the connection there, and it hasn't been
Speaker 4: as good as it should be. Also, knowing the contract
Speaker 4: that you gave both of them, I would be expecting
Speaker 4: more from from CD, and he's had some some really
Speaker 4: good moments, even that block where he blocked two people
Speaker 4: last game, I mean that was very impressive. So yes,
Speaker 4: I am a little worried about it and concern and
Speaker 4: so should fans be. I would assume fans some some
Speaker 4: definitely are.
Speaker 5: Derek, you know, I'm I thought it was interesting. Did
Speaker 5: you hear Jerry's comment on this this morning? I thought
Speaker 5: his response was interesting. He was like, you know, it's
Speaker 5: last year or at some point in his career getting
Speaker 5: going early, and everybody's like you can't get him going ear,
Speaker 5: why can't you get him going early? And now they're
Speaker 5: getting getting him going early, and it's like, well, why
Speaker 5: can't you get him going late. It's it's one of
Speaker 5: those things that kind of goes back and forth. To me,
Speaker 5: I'm only concerned if it's a situation where nobody else
Speaker 5: on the offense is stepping up. What I think I'm
Speaker 5: starting to see now is this.
Speaker 4: The problem is when you don't have any I mean,
Speaker 4: we talked about the running game, but when you don't
Speaker 4: already have a running game established, you should be able
Speaker 4: to rely on the passing game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but here's the problem. The problem is if you
Speaker 5: don't have a running game established, then defenses are going
Speaker 5: to as the game wears on, they're gonna say, okay,
Speaker 5: this number eighty eight is killing us, take him away.
Speaker 5: And when they say take him away, what happens? And
Speaker 5: so the only way I get concerned is in the
Speaker 5: second half of games, when CD isn't necessarily being a
Speaker 5: part of the offense. Is much is if jayaln Tobert's
Speaker 5: doing nothing, if Cavante Turpin's doing nothing, if Jake Ferguson's
Speaker 5: doing nothing, if Lipkey's doing nothing. What I saw in
Speaker 5: this last game was all those guys stepped up in
Speaker 5: that second half, and so they were still able to
Speaker 5: get some good momentum going at times, and the running
Speaker 5: game got going, because that's the thing, like any offense
Speaker 5: can be. You can stop one player. Any defense can
Speaker 5: stop one player. If they choose to stop a player,
Speaker 5: they can stop a player. The question is who else
Speaker 5: can do something? And the more that Dallas shows that
Speaker 5: their other players, their other offensive skilled players, can make plays,
Speaker 5: the more defenses will have to say, Okay, it doesn't
Speaker 5: really do us much good to expend so much of
Speaker 5: our resources on this one player, because these other guys
Speaker 5: are gonna beat us, so let's just play him straight.
Speaker 5: And that's how you keep him going through the whole game.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's a matter of Dallas forcing it.
Speaker 5: If team's gonna take him away, let him take him away.
Speaker 5: Let everybody else beat him. And that's how I think
Speaker 5: they admit it.
Speaker 6: People minute the others don't start getting it done, then
Speaker 6: you should have.
Speaker 5: Then you worried.
Speaker 4: Then good stuff bright And I guess that's something that
Speaker 4: we saw last year too, where nobody else on offense
Speaker 4: was really doing a whole lot, but CD was the
Speaker 4: one trying to make him pretty much all the plays there,
Speaker 4: so right now, maybe it's just flip that way where
Speaker 4: everybody else is kind of doing little something.
Speaker 5: And look, I love what I saw this last game,
Speaker 5: because you did. You saw plays being made, like consequential
Speaker 5: plays being made by guys that were not the top
Speaker 5: line guys. If you're gonna be good, you're gonna need that.
Speaker 5: You're gonna need those kinds of players to make plays
Speaker 5: and games that force defenses to play you.
Speaker 6: Honest.
Speaker 5: It's why San Francisco, when they're fully healthy, it's such
Speaker 5: a problem offensively because they got five guys at any moment.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he goes crazy two weeks ago, right, so yeah,
Speaker 5: they just got all these guys they can keep throwing
Speaker 5: at you. And I think that's the that's the that's
Speaker 5: those are the offenses that are really scary. All right,
Speaker 5: good stuff, Ryan, We will take our final break. We'll
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Speaker 5: Alex Camacho. He says, through five weeks, what's one thing
Speaker 5: this team does really well and one thing that needs
Speaker 5: to improve to help make this football team more complete? Brian,
Speaker 5: let's go with you first.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they kick field goals and their penalties are bad.
Speaker 6: They do they kick really good field goals. Uh, it
Speaker 6: was funny though.
Speaker 5: Miss He's missed one and the block.
Speaker 6: The block was strange and Steve the center got turned
Speaker 6: a little bit, so they had a leaper on your
Speaker 6: side of the line got kind of turned aside, you
Speaker 6: know with the penetration, and they didn't and uh that
Speaker 6: lowed it was it was left. It was funny it
Speaker 6: was going left. They blocked it on the left side.
Speaker 6: It wasn't something that was a straight kick. It was
Speaker 6: more going to the left. And I've seen him kick
Speaker 6: the ball before where it's gone left and and drifted
Speaker 6: back the other way. Maybe h playing the wind or
Speaker 6: something like the outdoor stadium in things.
Speaker 4: Uh but yeah, flame the like the whattonness from the field.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the first was you know, grade from fifty something
Speaker 6: yards out. But uh no, the one thing that they
Speaker 6: do really, really, really well though, other than kicking the
Speaker 6: ball right now. You know, it's a good question, it
Speaker 6: really is. You have an answer. I mean, you have something,
Speaker 6: I know. But the penalties. The penalties are a problem,
Speaker 6: and I don't know if they're going to correct those.
Speaker 6: I think the I think the officials. I think there's
Speaker 6: some officials in this league. They're just going to call
Speaker 6: penalties regardless. I don't know if you're gonna get away
Speaker 6: with occasional non calls.
Speaker 5: But they can fix some of the dumb penalties, right,
Speaker 5: I mean, they could there are some.
Speaker 4: Dumb Penalties' talk about this for years now.
Speaker 5: That's what I mean by that is that's a personal thing,
Speaker 5: like that is a player. I'm not going to get
Speaker 5: sucked into this this pushing or punching at this guy
Speaker 5: like Brock Kaufman did in this game. That's what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 5: those are the kind of penalties like I understand. I
Speaker 5: can understand to some degree, like aggressiveness penalties. Yeah, the
Speaker 5: wheat penalty. Come on, man, he was trying to I
Speaker 5: don't think he was trying to go forward.
Speaker 6: I think that happens.
Speaker 5: Are gonna happen. Caught in the chest and those kind
Speaker 5: of things are gona hap.
Speaker 6: They make the call because the head sets exactly right.
Speaker 6: It's why they make that call. And I think it's
Speaker 6: unfortunate that way, but yeah, it's But I'm trying to
Speaker 6: think of so something though that they do really really well.
Speaker 6: Quarterback was clutch. I mean, have they had to be clutch?
Speaker 6: I mean he brought him back in the Ravens game.
Speaker 6: They were too far back. Maybe the maybe resiliency. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean, well, I'm just talking for this season.
Speaker 4: Players they've drafted, all the younger players.
Speaker 6: I just think I think there's some resiliency with this group.
Speaker 6: They might get beat up, but I think there's they
Speaker 6: don't quit. That's Does that make sense?
Speaker 5: No, yeah, I went with you. I'm with you, not
Speaker 5: actually with our next question was actually gonna be that,
Speaker 5: but they were asking about do you do you think
Speaker 5: that the way this game played out, do you say
Speaker 5: that they're now and actually the same person, Alex Camacho says,
Speaker 5: do you rethink the toughness of this team after watching
Speaker 5: what they did this last week?
Speaker 6: Yeah? To me, this is where I going to Pittsburgh
Speaker 6: and winning the game with the number of players that
Speaker 6: they had down, I think was it was huge there.
Speaker 6: You know, to me, I've always a win as a
Speaker 6: win as a win. I never you know, people can
Speaker 6: style point this thing. I know. I did a post
Speaker 6: game to show it one three in the morning. This
Speaker 6: guy's like, you know, I just didn't like the way
Speaker 6: that they played, and I'm at one three in the morning.
Speaker 6: I didn't want to hear that, right, I'm like, they
Speaker 6: won a game in Pittsburgh that they probably shouldn't have
Speaker 6: won because of how beat up their team was. You know,
Speaker 6: they showed a lot of toughness a lot of pride mocks.
Speaker 6: They played hard for each other, They won a game
Speaker 6: that they very well could have won. There are a
Speaker 6: lot of people, a lot of cowboy fans, Trust me,
Speaker 6: I read your comments when you tweet at me and
Speaker 6: on my podcasts and stuff. You didn't think they were
Speaker 6: going to win this game. A lot of you did
Speaker 6: not think that they had a chance in this football game.
Speaker 6: They showed a lot of resiliency in getting that done.
Speaker 4: I think something important to know and going along with
Speaker 4: what Brian was talking about earlier resiliency and all of that,
Speaker 4: whatever adjective you want to use for that. But we
Speaker 4: were coming from a week where a lot of the
Speaker 4: way they practice was being questioned. Players were being like
Speaker 4: kind of starting to point at each other a little
Speaker 4: bit as far as like the comments that media was
Speaker 4: getting and then putting out there and questioning like are
Speaker 4: you doing your job? People Mica mentioning like don't be
Speaker 4: a superman, like everybody mentioning that same quote, like just
Speaker 4: do your job and do what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 4: And I think those comments could have easily derailed this
Speaker 4: whole thing and started kind of breaking up the team
Speaker 4: and splitting them in different routes, and we know once
Speaker 4: that happens, that's very difficult to get back together. So
Speaker 4: that's one thing that I would mention, the way that
Speaker 4: they've been able to overcome those and tally back and
Speaker 4: become a team and played with the type of aggressiveness
Speaker 4: that they played that were a very physical team against
Speaker 4: the Steelers. I think that it's I forgot what the
Speaker 4: initial question was, really, but I think that I do
Speaker 4: see a different kind of toughness after that game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do wonder if this is I wonder if
Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy is Harken backed. I mentioned this a couple
Speaker 5: of shows ago. Harken back to his days with the
Speaker 5: Packers when they went to the Super Bowl and they
Speaker 5: had all the injuries and really just told this team, look,
Speaker 5: it's you won't be the first one to have a
Speaker 5: bunch of injuries. And you wouldn't be the first one
Speaker 5: to have a bunch of injuries and still be able
Speaker 5: to accomplish some great things. The question is just how
Speaker 5: can you How do you do it? How do you
Speaker 5: pull together in a way to where you're better than
Speaker 5: the some of your parts?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 5: And I think that's what we saw last week was
Speaker 5: that this defense played better than the individuals if you
Speaker 5: take them individually based on the talent level of what
Speaker 5: they had before the injuries to where they are now.
Speaker 5: And that's where I'm like, I just think if you
Speaker 5: can keep riding that and you keep this defense at
Speaker 5: least playing, just hold the line until you can get
Speaker 5: some of these guys back, and then those other guys
Speaker 5: when they come back, get them to play within the
Speaker 5: defense as well in the same way. They have to
Speaker 5: play their role, not try to do too much, not
Speaker 5: try to do something extra, just play your role, and
Speaker 5: I think everything comes to you at that point. All right,
Speaker 5: appreciate you guys, join us. We be back tomorrow. We'll
Speaker 5: start looking forward to the next Cowboys game, happens to Sunday,
Speaker 5: Cowboys versus Lions. That'll be an interesting game, a lot
Speaker 5: of storylines around that one. We'll start talking about that tomorrow.
Speaker 6: Till then.
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