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Speaker 1: coming up. But we got to talk to another special guy,

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Speaker 1: Glenn Cook here on the show, the assistant general manager

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Speaker 1: your Cleveland Browns. Glenn, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it, appreciate it. So what he is special by

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Speaker 2: the way, Oh he is. He is certainly something. I

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Speaker 2: And Glenn, you were right about that. So, uh, what

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Speaker 1: Of these uh these decisions here with Carson and with

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, I was just talking about.

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Speaker 4: I think ultimately we stepped back and as just said, hey,

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Speaker 4: Obviously we traded down yesterday adding a pick today, so

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Speaker 4: you know, kind of put us in pole position at

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Speaker 4: you know, and even running back honestly, like you know,

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Speaker 3: The most most impactful players.

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Speaker 4: Look, you know, we want these guys to play a

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Speaker 4: You know, quinch On extremely strong, Carson the students all

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Speaker 4: Seemed like he was ready to go two years ago.

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Speaker 6: You talk about quinch On, who's somebody, Like a lot

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Speaker 4: Just it's it's the brand that you want. Like he's physical.

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Speaker 4: And like I said, you know we're playing Baltimore. Those

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Speaker 5: And as much as much as you can take us

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Speaker 1: Brown's assistant general manager Glenn Cook joining us on the show.

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Speaker 1: One quick update the New Orleans Saints that pick forty

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Speaker 6: Sanders Nathan go ahead. First of all, Glenn, I appreciate

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Speaker 6: Glenn colok is your guys.

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Speaker 1: I got a whole childhood to tell you about my friend.

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Speaker 1: I did some wild things, some wild things.

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Speaker 4: I think it's just made really we just evaluate the trade,

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Speaker 4: There's all they were. Well, now we're what twelve months

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Speaker 4: So like there's you can't over assess that component of it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, England, you talk about the grades that you give guys,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it mostly just disappears, you know,

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Speaker 4: You got to compete, like you know from Carson, he's

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I wouldn't say it sticks too long.

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Speaker 6: How important was physicality coming into this draft? It just

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Speaker 4: You know how sources like he wants to mess stuff

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Speaker 3: He's tough, he's physical, So again I see I see North.

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Speaker 4: You got to balance it out where you're building for

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Speaker 5: Sometimes, Glenn, we talk so much about collaboration, it's importance.

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Speaker 4: played a pivotal role.

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Speaker 6: You guys go through a lot of simulations in your preparation.

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Speaker 6: We talked about that on I guess that was man.

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Speaker 6: Was that just yesterday?

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Speaker 3: Just yesterday? It was like a week ago.

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Speaker 6: That's crazy, So yesterday we talked about those simulations. Was

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Speaker 6: this a scenario? Has it fallen kind of chalky in

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Speaker 6: terms of the way the board has gone from what

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Speaker 6: your guys expected, or and this hall of three players?

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Speaker 6: Is this kind of.

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Speaker 3: The Hall was one of them, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: Like the Hall was one of them for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know that it played out exactly like

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Speaker 4: maybe how we emulated, but yeah, there's so much information

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Speaker 4: get a pretty decent sense of what could happen, and

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Speaker 4: so we were a positioned to think about this this scenario.

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Speaker 3: For sure.

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Speaker 6: Do you guys keep track of everything that you hear

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Speaker 6: and then you find out like what you've heard was

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Speaker 6: actually true so that you can be.

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Speaker 4: Like, not not to that extent, but I think we

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Speaker 4: do have a good sense of like who has a

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Speaker 4: good pulse, right, Like there's some some people who have

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Speaker 4: information and have a good pulse on what's happening, and

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Speaker 4: you can probably trust theres a little bit more. And

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Speaker 4: then there's others where you hear it you sort of

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Speaker 4: just you know, you log it, but you don't maybe

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Speaker 4: give it as much credence.

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Speaker 6: That's probably a pretty fit part of this though, is

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Speaker 6: trying to it.

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Speaker 4: Could be fun, but it could it could be a

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Speaker 4: little bit wild where you're you're I mean, when you're

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Speaker 4: there's so many things just flying around, and you know,

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Speaker 4: like one teams trading up from said pick to go

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Speaker 4: get certain player, and then five minutes later someone else

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Speaker 4: is saying that they're trading down because they don't like

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Speaker 4: any you know, So again, you do got to take

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Speaker 4: it a little bit with a grain of salt. But

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Speaker 4: you know, we've come to find that there's a certain

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Speaker 4: it's helpful.

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Speaker 3: It's useful. It's not perfect, but.

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Speaker 1: It's use Glenn will let you get back with the scouts.

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Speaker 6: Thank you very much for the time, good luck the

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Speaker 6: rest of the week.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Glenn Cook, Assistant general manager of your Cleveland Brown