1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 2: I'm excited today because we are going to talk about 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 2: faith at university is something that I think is on 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 2: everybody's mind right now. We certainly saw that with a 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: memorial to Charlie Kirk and everything that we saw with 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 2: his wife, but all of our administration officials that are 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: out there talking about faith, even the Vice president who 8 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 2: said I've talked more about Jesus Christ in the last 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: five days than I have my entire time in office. 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: I thought that was so cool to see him say that. 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: So we have a friend at a university, the president 12 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: of Cornerstone University, doctor Jisan Marino Riano, thank you so 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 2: much for being here today. 14 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 3: Thank you, Tutor. Great to see you again, Great to 15 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 3: be in your podcast. Thank you. 16 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: I'm so happy about what you guys are doing here 17 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: in Michigan because I've been to your campus many times 18 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: and we know that you are faith led. That actually 19 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: was a challenge for you at first to even come 20 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: into the university and say we're going to really push 21 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: our our faith. We're going to make sure that these 22 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 2: kids are focused on Christ's that's so important for our 23 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: kids today. And I think I was just having a 24 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: conversation earlier today with someone who said, once my kids 25 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 2: got out of college, there wasn't that opportunity for them 26 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: to find a spouse that was also christ Led. 27 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: And that was a conversation that we heard from. Charlie. 28 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 2: You need to be aware that you want to have 29 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: a life with someone else, and that's something that I mean, 30 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 2: we know that we have two people that work with 31 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: us that let just recently graduated from Cornerstone and they're 32 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 2: getting married. 33 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: So you guys, are you had the whole package. 34 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 3: We're contribute into every good thing possible. 35 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I mean, honestly, I think that's great. But 36 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: how I want to talk about how faith based colleges 37 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: are saving this next generation? 38 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, tutor. You know it's I think universities 39 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: have such a pivotal role in the space, and unfortunately 40 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 3: it has been a role that has been are left 41 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 3: behind by American universities for decades and decades and decades. Right, 42 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: I mean, in many ways at the outset of our country, 43 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 3: we talk about American higher education before the states were 44 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 3: even here, when the collegies were here, it was really 45 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 3: Christian higher education. Right, we need to be true and 46 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 3: factual about that. It was Christian universities that started in 47 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 3: this country. Quite frankly, they have drifted, that drifted significant 48 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 3: as we all know. And now I think there are 49 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 3: handful universities who truly are committed to Christ, to the 50 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 3: Christian faith to provide an excellent education. I do think 51 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 3: that they are one of the most important, some of 52 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 3: the most important institutions we need to be supporting and 53 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 3: advancing to bring about this transformation we're all talking about. 54 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 3: And I say that because back in two thousand and three, 55 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: UCLA researchers did it profoundest study. It was called the 56 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 3: Spiritual Life of College Students. They serve it over one 57 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 3: hundred thousand undergraduate students in America and they discovered at 58 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 3: two our colleges on the majority right as these students 59 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 3: had high levels of spiritual interest and involvement. They all 60 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 3: believe or somebody believe in the sacredness of human life. 61 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 3: Over fifty percent of them said that spiritual life and 62 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: spiritual growth was essential to them, are very important to them, 63 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 3: and they were searching for the meaning and purpose in life. 64 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 3: That's two thousand and three. It hasn't changed. I think 65 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 3: the numbers are probably larger today. There's a real hunger 66 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: and thirst on the part of young people in high 67 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 3: school and as they're entering college as to what do 68 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: we do with our life? How do we live a 69 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 3: meaningful life? And I think the universities can have a 70 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 3: pivotal effect and a transformative effect if they are right 71 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 3: aligned with truly caring about the souls of these students. 72 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: If they're not, they actually perpetrate more damage. And I 73 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 3: think that's the challenge we have before us in hire it. 74 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: We've had a radical infiltration of indoctrination and these radical 75 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: leftists professors that have come into universities across the country. 76 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: Harvard Graduate School just released a study showing that nearly 77 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: three in five young adults feel a lack of purpose 78 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 2: in their lives. But they many of them have come 79 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: out of these universities that have told them, you don't 80 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 2: need to get married, there's no reason to have kids, 81 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: there's no reason to have a strong relationship. It's very 82 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: me focused, and there is actually no purpose in focusing 83 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: on self. If you can't put others above self, then 84 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: what is your purpose? You're only focused on you? 85 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I've seen this one of the more 86 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: jarring things I've seen. There have been a number of 87 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 3: articles published in the last few months and a couple 88 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 3: of years in the New York Times or The Atlantic 89 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 3: talking about the new movement for family strange mass right, 90 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: how young adults children are cutting off their entire families, parents, siblings, 91 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 3: and it is a deliberate choice they are making. And 92 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 3: so you have clinical psychologists and sociologists studying this problem, 93 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 3: asking what's happening, Why is this happening, And here's what 94 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 3: they're saying, that there's a significant shift in American society 95 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: in the family, where for centuries the family was about 96 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 3: obligations and duty toward others and thinking of the best 97 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 3: for others, and in the last decades it has shifted 98 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: from that to identity and understanding the family. The parents 99 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 3: have to identify with me. I firm and embrace my 100 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 3: identity whatever that is or my view of the world. 101 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: And if they don't, I cut them off. They're causing 102 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 3: me emotional and mental trauma. So I let them go. 103 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: I massive shift in family understanding, and I believe that 104 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 3: it's not many universities have perpetrated and helped to perpetrate that, 105 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: but the culture has as well, the popular culture has 106 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 3: as well. There are so many forces against this fundamental, 107 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 3: important unit of society, of the fabric of our country, 108 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 3: called the family, and all of a sudden it is 109 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 3: beginning to be seen as actually a bad thing, which 110 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 3: is a real perversion of society, of our culture. So 111 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 3: I think there's an opportunity though, because young men and 112 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 3: women know they're crying out for belonging, They're crying out 113 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 3: for meaning, they're crying out for I mean. I spoke 114 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 3: to a young man in the last few months who 115 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 3: was graduating from high school entering college, and I asked them, 116 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 3: what is it that you and your friends talk about? 117 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 3: What do you guys talk about when you guys get together. 118 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 3: And he said, look, I can't tell you all the 119 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 3: details about I'll tell you in general what we're concerned about. 120 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 3: We want to find someone that can love us, and 121 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 3: we have families, and we want to find a meaningful work. 122 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: That's what we talk a lot about. Some can we 123 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 3: find someone that will love us and marry that person 124 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 3: and then find meaningful work. I was absolutely floored. They 125 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 3: weren't talking about video games, they weren't talking about college 126 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 3: football and NFL, right they were talking about some of 127 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 3: those fundamental questions of life, love, meaning, and purpose. Where 128 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 3: do they go, I will tell you something, to door. 129 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 3: They're not going to their families to talk about this. 130 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 3: They're not going to their parents, They're going to each other. 131 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 3: And on the one hand, well that's good. There's no 132 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 3: real wisdom going into those conversations oftentimes, and so that's 133 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: why I think that universities like Cornerstone plays such antividal 134 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 3: role when the young men and women come to our campuses, 135 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 3: that we can have really honest not just conversations, not 136 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 3: just discussions, but provide moral direction, you know, soul transformation, 137 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: soul shaping. That's really what education is about. It's about 138 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 3: moral formation and do that. And it helped them not 139 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 3: just talk about it, but provide guidance through the scriptures 140 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 3: where Christian University through the Gospel, but also through of 141 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: human history. That always posts to the fact that the 142 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 3: institution of the family is the most important institution for success, 143 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: for flourishing, for moral protection, for guidance. 144 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: Okay, but take us on a history tour, because wouldn't 145 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: you say that one of the hallmarks of communism and 146 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: socialism is separate the younger generation from their family. And 147 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: this has been had, Like you said, it's come in 148 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: from all different areas of culture. We don't actually even 149 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 2: see exactly where it's coming from. So how have you 150 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: seen that in history in the past, How have we 151 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: seen this in What are the effects? 152 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think that the first person that 153 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 3: began this, unfortunately, was a Greek philosopher named Plato in 154 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 3: his book Republic, which is I mean, one of the 155 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 3: most influential books in philosophy how you ever written. And 156 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: in that work he argues that the family is a 157 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: conventional arrangement, that actually the state or the political society 158 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 3: can raise children better than parents. 159 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: Sounds familiar, right. 160 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 3: This was three hundred BC, okay, three centuries are so 161 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 3: before christ Is this argument was already being discussed and 162 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 3: talked about, and he developed an entire systematic approach to 163 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 3: doing that. That idea has been carrying a lot of 164 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 3: water for centuries. A lot of people have been taking 165 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 3: that and douctly seriously. Communism sort is the latest one. 166 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 3: Because any social institution that we would say is divinely ordained, 167 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: like the family or the church, right, Communism said, no, 168 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 3: it's all conventional it's all power argument, it's all about control. 169 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 3: So communism promises people real freedom through destroying all these institutions, 170 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: which is a falsehood. We've seen what that happens. So yes, 171 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 3: communism socialism seeks to destroy this institution of the family 172 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 3: because they understand the power, not just the power in 173 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 3: terms of control, but the incredible amount of moral influence 174 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 3: parents can have in shaping the lives of children and 175 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 3: shaping their moral outlook and shaping their moral direction. And 176 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 3: that's a dangerous thing for some socialism because only the 177 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 3: states should do that. Only the state knows best, so 178 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: you have to try to destroy that and destroy any 179 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 3: other institution that would suggest that the state shouldn't do that. 180 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 3: So that's been going on for a long long time, 181 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 3: and it's soft for forms in American culture. The argument 182 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 3: is that freedom, individual freedom is more important and trumps 183 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: any social institution and social norm and mora a so 184 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 3: that it's really any institution that would dare stay is 185 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 3: coming to your life and say no, you shouldn't do 186 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 3: it that way, you should do this. There's something wrong 187 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: because it's keeping you from being your true authentic self. 188 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 3: And your true authentic self is determined by your true 189 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 3: authentic self. It's circurlogic, I understand, but it's a very 190 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 3: powerful argument because you have young men and women who 191 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 3: hear that. Human beings would hear that and think I'm 192 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: the captain of my soul and the master of my 193 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 3: direct Yes, right, and no one can tell me otherwise. 194 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 3: That's very powerful. That's very liberating and what that movement 195 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 3: has done. On the one hand, we love freedom and liberty, 196 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 3: but you can't have that without moral context, moral responsibility, 197 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 3: without the moral virtues, and that argument that is freedom, 198 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: no responsibility, liberty, no moral ground. That's the problem. 199 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 2: It's liberating, but it's also very lonely, and that's not 200 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 2: how the human body was built. That's not what God 201 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: intended for us. This is very much against what God 202 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: intended for us. And you talked about identity and all 203 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 2: of that. And I think there is an impact on 204 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: mental health. When we break this down, we have people 205 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 2: are saying we have a mental health crisis. I really 206 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 2: think that this is a manufactured crisis. In many cases 207 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: where they've been there has been mind control and brainwashing 208 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 2: of these. 209 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: Groups that they know what they're doing, they know how 210 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: to do this. 211 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: I'll say the other day, I saw a video and 212 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 2: I thought it was incredibly impactful. There was a young 213 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: woman who said, I transitioned and I became. I thought 214 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 2: I was becoming a man. And she said, think about 215 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 2: what my position was in my family. I was my 216 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: mother's daughter. And I told her, I'm not your daughter anymore. 217 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: I had responsibilities of a daughter. God gave me responsibilities 218 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: of a daughter that I said, you have to accept. 219 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 2: That's not what I'm going to do anymore. Same thing 220 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 2: with my father, she said. Probably the worst of all 221 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 2: is I was an older sister to my younger sister, 222 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 2: and I told her, you don't have a sister anymore. 223 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 2: And I don't have that responsibility. You have a brother, 224 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 2: and you are supposed to support me in that. I'm 225 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 2: not supposed to give you anything anymore. She said, I 226 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: made them go through my surgeries. I made them watch 227 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: my body change, and that wasn't who I was. It 228 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: was just totally selfish. She said, this is a narsis. 229 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 2: She called herself narcissistic. She said, this is a narcissistic 230 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: mental disorder that is created by this culture right now, 231 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: and she had broken free. I want to talk about 232 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: that because Charlie had been so he had been so 233 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: outspoken about you can't do this and if you're doing this, 234 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 2: it's selfish, and I think a lot of the pushback 235 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: on him was that he said. And as we know, 236 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 2: the shooter had these trans messages on his weapon, on 237 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 2: his bullets, so we know that it was very hard 238 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 2: for these youths to understand that it's not all about you. 239 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: In fact, my pastor over the weekend was just talking 240 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 2: about what is love and God's love and God's love 241 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: is not love of self. 242 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: True love that you learn from the Lord. 243 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: Is to put others above yourself, and that's kind of 244 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 2: that's the breakdown in culture today. So how do you 245 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 2: bring that message to a college campus? Love is to 246 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: put others before yourself. 247 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, So two things. One the mental health piece. I've 248 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 3: always said, then when we asshuman beings go against the 249 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 3: divine order that God has designed and created, it caused 250 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 3: great damage to ourselves. It's just playing set. But we 251 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 3: can call it mental health, we can call it spiritual. 252 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 3: I think it's deeply spiritual with mental and physical ramifications. 253 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 3: When we violate the order of God, we bring great 254 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 3: violence to our own being, into our own mind, So 255 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 3: the one who I do think you're a very significant 256 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 3: amount called social engineering going down out there and the messaging, 257 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 3: and it's clear and there's a lot of data showing 258 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 3: that being done. There's also very real spiritual mental damage 259 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 3: we're doing to ourselves when we violate god To order, 260 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: when we push against it, when we rebel against it, 261 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 3: and that's I think part of what's happening here. I 262 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: think there is a definitely social engineering happening. You saw 263 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 3: the other day the announcement at Google certainly was biased 264 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 3: against conservatives during the present Biden's administration. Now it's out 265 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 3: there what people were saying was actually happening, actually was happening. 266 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 3: But I've also seen person hand how individus who are 267 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 3: going through this LGBTQ identity trans crisis are also arrestling 268 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 3: with deep, profound spiritual questions in their own life. And 269 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: as they drink, as they pursue these options there against 270 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 3: God's order and design for them, they are hurting themselves deeply, deeply. 271 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 3: So we have to on college campuses take them very seriously. 272 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: We have to address and bring spiritual healing and spiritual 273 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 3: direction to individuals who may be struggling dealing with or 274 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 3: having already after effects of those things, because we believe 275 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 3: in the redemptive, transformative healing power of the Gospel. That's 276 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 3: absolutely clear in it. And then no one's too far 277 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 3: gone that God can't heal to get to the Gospel 278 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 3: if they give their lives to Him. So that and 279 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 3: we've seen that. So it's a very powerful thing to 280 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: do and beautiful thing to do. And I think college 281 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 3: campus have a great opportunity to do that now more 282 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 3: than ever because I think the conversation is out there 283 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 3: being had. And in terms of the love piece, You're 284 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 3: absolutely right. You know, we have something here at Corners. 285 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 3: So we call it the Beautiful Christian Community, and the 286 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 3: Beautiful Christian Community is found that on what we believe 287 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 3: is a true understanding of what love is. Love is 288 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 3: not embracing everything and saying it's great when we support you. 289 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 3: That's not love. That's a lack of discernment, and sometimes 290 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 3: it brings great damage. Love is also being truthful. Love 291 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 3: has to be grounded on goodness, on truth, on beauty, 292 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 3: and love then pursues those things and helps individuals pursue 293 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 3: those things. Now, I've oftentimes I said this to our students, 294 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 3: if you see someone running as fast as possible toward 295 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 3: a cliff, are you going to say I support your running, 296 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 3: You're a great runner, or are you going to jump 297 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 3: in and keep them from running into the cliff off 298 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 3: the cliff. Real love says you jump in, right, You 299 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 3: do all you can to keep this person from going 300 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 3: off the cliff. That's love, because you know that's damaging, destructive. 301 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 3: You just don't embrace him and say you're being your 302 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 3: authentic self. That's not what you do. So real love 303 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 3: means you sacrifice for what is good and what is true. 304 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 3: Is not just embracing a relationship and supporting a relationship. 305 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 3: It is ultimately a commitment to what is beautiful, true 306 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 3: and good and thus learning our for our students to 307 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:17,719 Speaker 3: learn to have those conversations as deep conversations with truth, 308 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 3: the true north right at the center, and having those 309 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 3: conversations with grace and mercy and nuanced because they're very 310 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 3: different from person to person to person. At the end 311 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 3: of the day, the goal is not just winning an argument. 312 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 3: The real goal is let's bring transformation, the transformative power 313 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 3: of God's love and the hearts and souls of students 314 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 3: and people that's what work should be. 315 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: After let's take a quick commercial break, we'll continue next 316 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: on a Tutor Dixon podcast. And I think it's interesting 317 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 2: that that kind of conversation truth and love was banned 318 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 2: from YouTube. And if you talked about anything that you 319 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: said you can't be transgender, you were banned from you YouTube. 320 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 2: But truth and Love of God, you were also not 321 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 2: allowed to talk about that. And that's why it's so 322 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 2: it's so important to hear the Vice President of the 323 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 2: United States come out and say I am allowed to 324 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 2: talk about Jesus Christ because it was controversial. Think about 325 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: how strange this is. It was controversial in twenty sixteen 326 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: when Donald Trump said we can say Merry Christmas again. 327 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,719 Speaker 2: Now we're amazed that we're talking about Jesus Christ in 328 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: a country that was founded on Christian values. 329 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know interesting. I was just in New York 330 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 3: City this past this week working at a partnership between 331 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 3: our university and some our organization and organization in New 332 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 3: York City, and I had a conversation with an individual 333 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 3: that who shared with me that he that some of 334 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 3: the individuals who oversee broadly this institution and others were 335 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 3: concerned with the use of the word God given. Now 336 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 3: do you think about that god given? They had concerns 337 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 3: about the use of that term god given. I thought 338 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 3: to myself, Wow, this is incredible to me. Here here 339 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 3: we are, you know, in a country that has deep, 340 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 3: profound Christian influences and its founding and throughout its history 341 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 3: on the part of all kinds of people and leaders, right, 342 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 3: and now we're saying that it's dangerous to say or 343 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 3: we shouldn't say God given about goodness or about kindness 344 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 3: or about benefiting people like this is crazy to me. 345 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 3: It's sad to me. So I think though, one of 346 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 3: the beautiful things that, as you mentioned, on the part 347 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 3: of the Vice president and even with the president and others, 348 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,479 Speaker 3: is that they have had the courage to stand and 349 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 3: introduce or reintroduce important questions and conversations to challenge the 350 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 3: conventional orthodoxy that has been in place for decades and 351 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 3: now that has been challenging Jarred. We're actually having conversations, 352 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 3: sometimes difficult ones, but we're having a conversation about Jesus, 353 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 3: about faith, about spiritual formation, about the role of high education, 354 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: the real role of higher education. How about the purpose 355 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 3: of politics. You know, as I was in New York 356 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: City yesterday. I spoke at a high school there, and 357 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 3: a student came up to me and said, can we 358 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 3: talk I know, sir, you he a political science background. 359 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 3: Can we talk about politics? And what do you think? 360 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 3: Because some people say it's bad and we should never 361 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 3: get involved, and I don't know what to think about it. 362 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 3: What do you think? I said, Look, politics is the 363 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 3: art of how to live together well in a society. 364 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 3: That's really what politics is about. How do you live 365 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 3: how do we live well together in a way that 366 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 3: everyone can flourish. That means we have to get involved. 367 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 3: We have to be speaking, we have to be talking. 368 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 3: You just can disregard it. Now. If people mean by 369 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 3: politics manipulation and control, that's not good. That's not what 370 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 3: we're talking about. But we cannot have have individuals or 371 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 3: let that definition really overcome the true definition of politics, 372 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 3: which is the art of living well together. I think, 373 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 3: I'm we should all have been in that conversation. And 374 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 3: so I think that what the vice president president has 375 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 3: done and others are doing is really opening up this conversation. 376 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 3: And it's a complicated one. It's a difficult one because 377 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 3: the conventional orthodoxy has put a number of things in 378 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 3: place for decades that are being challenged and no one 379 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 3: likes it, or those people don't like it, I understand, 380 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 3: But we have to have the conversation about all kinds 381 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 3: of things right now if we're going to live well 382 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 3: and live well together. Tudor. 383 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 2: When I was in high school, I took a class 384 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 2: called comparative Religions, and the only religion that was not 385 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: in there was Christianity that we talked about. Yes, yes, 386 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 2: And honestly, I've thought about it so many times as 387 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 2: an adult. At the time, I had no idea what 388 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 2: was happening. I really didn't. It was an elective. I 389 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 2: wanted to learn about other religions. It never dawned on me, 390 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 2: sweared they don't talk about Christianity, and it was comparing 391 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: all religions. None were compared to Christianity. 392 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: But I think about that. 393 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 2: I'm my gosh, I was in high school thirty years ago, 394 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 2: so think about the impact over thirty years of how that. 395 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 2: I feel like they were just testing at that time 396 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 2: to see how far can we push Christianity out of 397 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: the mainstream. And now it's way way beyond that. And now, 398 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 2: if you talk about your faith, you're being attacked. I 399 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 2: think if we look at what's happened in the last 400 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 2: few weeks, I mean, really, what was offensive about Charlie 401 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 2: Kirk was that he wanted people to get married and 402 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 2: have kids. That was what people thought was so offensive 403 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: about him. The message of Christ was to have a 404 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: three strand rope, to get married and worship the Lord 405 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 2: and have children and continue his kingdom. That was so 406 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 2: offensive that people. There has been an outrage in this country. 407 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 2: But the impact to me is so strong. The image 408 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 2: of Christ has come out in such a great way. 409 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 2: Once they finally did their worst and they took Charlie's 410 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 2: life here on earth, the reaction of Christians was to 411 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 2: come around and celebrate his life. No outrage, no breaking 412 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 2: into buildings, no protests, nothing like that. It was to say, 413 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 2: look at what he did to further the kingdom. That 414 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: sends a huge message. 415 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think, honestly, the most powerful thing that 416 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 3: I have chills just even talking about it was Charlie 417 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 3: Kirk's wife saying, I forgive you that to me spoke volumes, volumes, 418 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 3: volumes more than anything else that will be done and 419 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 3: could be done. That she was wanting to go out 420 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 3: and say I forgive you, I forgive you. That is 421 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 3: so powerful and so beautiful that she did that. And 422 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 3: so I think we have we have an incredible opportunity 423 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 3: before us. And it doesn't mean that will no longer, 424 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 3: there will not be challenging times and horrible times. Just 425 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 3: how to Charlie Kirk, I think there is an antagonism 426 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 3: about what is true and about the Gospel, about Jesus. 427 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at his last comments speeches 428 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 3: to the apostles in John thirteen, fourteen, fifteen and sixteen, 429 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 3: he says, do not be surprised if the world hates you. 430 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 3: He hated me first, don't be surprised if you get 431 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 3: kicked out of synagogues and you're taking to death. It's 432 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 3: going to happen. It happens, It's going to happen to me. 433 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 3: So I think we have to be honest that there 434 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 3: is a real significant spiritual battle that has physical ramifications 435 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 3: in the world. Now. The message of the Gospel God 436 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 3: conquers darkness and evil, but darkness and evil doesn't just 437 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 3: sit still. They're going to fight back in some way, 438 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 3: shape or form. As a spiritual thing, we're told we 439 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 3: don't wrestle against flesh and blood. It's definitely spiritual, but 440 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 3: it has physical ramification. So I think that Charlie Kirk 441 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 3: murder assassination is one of those. And every time you 442 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 3: see these horrific shootings or whatever happens, it's so terrible. 443 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 3: That's what it is, spiritual cry of anger and hatred. 444 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 3: I remember speaking to a young person several years back 445 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 3: here in Michigan, being grants in Michigan and this individual set, 446 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 3: you know. I remember asking this person, why are you 447 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 3: so angry at these other people? Why are you so 448 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 3: angry at them? And I'll never forget what he said, 449 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 3: I'm really really angry at God, but says I can't 450 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 3: do anything about it. I'm going to take it out 451 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 3: of his people. 452 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: Wow. The answer right, well, we know where that comes from. 453 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 3: And a sobering answer to me. Right, And I really 454 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 3: do think I think you see this with that. I 455 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 3: think I shared with Eric Metaxas a couple of weeks ago. 456 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 3: You see this with canaan Abel. I can't I'm angry 457 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 3: and I'm really actually angry at you Lord, but I 458 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 3: can't do anything about that, so I'll take it out able, right. 459 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 3: I think you see that, and I think that I 460 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 3: hope it doesn't continue to happen, but it could. This 461 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 3: is spiritual anger, hatred, disgusted that God right, and so 462 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 3: therefore we can't do much about that or the idea, 463 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 3: but we can do something about those who embody be 464 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 3: to me, that body the Gospel, and that's what's scary 465 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 3: to me. 466 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 2: That shows that they're truly is a revival though, And 467 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 2: that's why I sat my girls down because they were asking, 468 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: you know, why would someone who speaks for Christ like this, 469 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 2: why would they go after him? And I said, look, 470 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: it hasn't happened in my lifetime until now, and I 471 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 2: think that's because we see young people returning to the church. 472 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 2: Our church just planted a new campus. So look at 473 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 2: our own church. We just planted a new campus because 474 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 2: so many young people are coming back. And that's when 475 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 2: the devil has to start working again. And that's what 476 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: we see. The devil is real, and if you think 477 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 2: he's not, then you're being very naive and you're taking 478 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 2: great risks. You talked about Erica Kirk and forgiving the 479 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 2: man who shot her husband. Can you, for our audience 480 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 2: explain a little bit about what Christian forgiveness is. 481 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. And first I will say 482 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 3: I'm always mindful all the simple prayer that I think 483 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 3: most people in the world know and have prayed, and 484 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 3: maybe sometimes we pray, we don't think much about which 485 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 3: is the Lord's prayer. So when disciples ask Jesus teach 486 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 3: us to pray, right, and he says, you're going to 487 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 3: pray this way, our Father, who art in heaven hollowed, 488 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 3: be thy name, thy kingdom, Come, Thy will be done 489 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 3: on earth. Is it in heaven? Give us a day 490 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 3: our daily braain, and forgive us our sins and debts, 491 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 3: as we forgive those who sin it or owe us. 492 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 3: I mean that the core of his prayer was you 493 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 3: have to forgive others if you expect the Father, and 494 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 3: how to forgive you the fit you have to do right. 495 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 3: So I think that the core of that it's a 496 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 3: message for us as Christians and anybody else as well, 497 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 3: the centrality of forgiveness, which is you let go of 498 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 3: your desire to carry out justice for the wrongs that 499 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 3: have been done to you. Right. I mean, Jesus Christ 500 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 3: openly said it many times. You know the Lord will 501 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 3: take care of those things. I entrust myself to him. 502 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,719 Speaker 3: That's hard to do because we are all just as 503 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 3: seekers in a very flawed way, right. 504 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't do his work. 505 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 2: You can't do his work if you are held by unforgiveness. 506 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 2: Unforgiveness does not free you up to do his work. 507 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 3: But you know, I mean in Christ's message to his 508 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 3: followers and to the people who are following listening to 509 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 3: him was you know, it's you know, be careful how 510 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,959 Speaker 3: much you condemned. Don't condemn and judge, because you're going 511 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 3: to be judging condemned in the same way. You know. 512 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 3: And secular philosophers have said this, it's so easy for 513 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 3: us to magnify the faults of others and minimize our own. 514 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 3: Just a standard fear for human life, for human beings. 515 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 3: But forgiveness turns it around. Forgiveness that really hits home, 516 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 3: doesn't it. Yeah, Forgiveness turns it around. And it says, 517 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 3: the Father in heaven, the Lord God, who create all 518 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 3: things from everlasting to everlasting, has every moral prerogative perfectly 519 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 3: so to judge you for your sins, and he chooses 520 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 3: mercy in a way of forgiveness, when he will be 521 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 3: perfectly justified to deal with you. So let that be 522 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 3: the example for you forgive like your father forgives. And 523 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 3: if you expect that forgiveness, which is you, let that go. 524 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 2: And I hope that parents that are listening are understanding 525 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 2: why it is important when you send your kids off 526 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 2: to college that you choose a university that has those values. 527 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 2: And that's what I love about Cornerstone is that that continues. 528 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 2: My kids are in Christian school, that message continues throughout. 529 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: Their time at university. But there are some people that 530 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: can't make it to campus. 531 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 2: There's all kinds of discussion right now about the fact 532 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 2: that the college degree is unattainable. People can't afford it, 533 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 2: they can't fit it in. It's the most expensive time 534 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 2: we've ever seen. I mean just I take my kids 535 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 2: to fast food and it's like going to what would 536 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 2: have been going to a fancy dinner a few years ago. 537 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not kidding. I just am. 538 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 3: Shocked by alcoholic yes. 539 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 2: Right exactly. So when I look at that, I think, 540 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 2: how why I ever get to college? But there are 541 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 2: other opportunities for online to do it at your own pace, 542 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 2: things like that. That's something that I love about what 543 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 2: you've been able to do. Or is a new program 544 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 2: that you guys have created at Cornerstone, the first in 545 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 2: the nation where you have a smartphone based app that 546 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 2: you can actually get a business degree. Tell us about 547 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 2: it because it's something so many people are looking for 548 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: at this time. 549 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 3: Thank you to you. We worked on it for two years, 550 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 3: invested our own resources to develop something because we knew 551 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 3: we were in a highered crisis in our country. Not 552 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 3: just the moral crisis we're talking about now, but you 553 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 3: talk about the fact that in Michigan alone, five million 554 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 3: adults in Michigan no college degree. In West Michigan it's 555 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 3: over seven hundred thousand adults with no college degree. 556 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 2: That's has the population because there's ten million people here. 557 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: So for people who don't understand what Michigan the population 558 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 2: looks like, half of our people have not received college degree. 559 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 3: It's incredible. And out of the over one hundred million 560 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 3: adults in the US with no college degree, forty two 561 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 3: million of those have some college but no degree. They've 562 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 3: never finished and they're not going back. This is a 563 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 3: serious problem in our country, for the economy, for our families, 564 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 3: for our democracy, republican democracy. We've got some problems here, 565 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 3: So we decided to tackle that. How do we take 566 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 3: a world class cornerstone education to adult and to any 567 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 3: student who wants it. They can't come here, maybe they're 568 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 3: far away, or maybe they're disenchanted, or maybe they think 569 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 3: they can't afford it. How do we switch this whole 570 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 3: thing around and go to them. So we created our 571 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 3: country's first accredited bachelor's degree delivered via a mobile phone, 572 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 3: Apple or Android device. The entire degree is delivered in 573 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 3: a world class learning experience. Tutor, I will tell you 574 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 3: the beautiful experience, and the degree will cost no more 575 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 3: than twenty four thousand dollars for the entire degree. Say 576 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 3: that one more time, tutor, if I may no more 577 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 3: than twenty four thousand dollars for an entire accredited, world 578 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 3: class degree in strategic business management. It's revolutionary. We got 579 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 3: rid of the cost, the high cost through entry barrier, 580 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 3: you know, the disenchantment that irrelevance often in times of 581 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 3: high ed and we develop a beautiful model where it's 582 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 3: immediately applicable. It's micro learning, so you learn as you go. 583 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 3: Is you can consume as much as you want at 584 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 3: your own pace. As you mentioned, it's just relevant, and 585 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 3: we're seeing an incredible, incredible core of interest in the 586 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 3: part of companies and individuals, and some incredible stories already 587 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 3: of students saying, I never thought I never thought I 588 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 3: could do this. I never thought I could go back. 589 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 3: I have a family, I have so many things. Thank you, 590 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 3: thank you, thank you for doing this. And we've seen 591 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 3: students already be promoted at their places of work because 592 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 3: of it. 593 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 594 00:32:54,600 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon podcast. What I think is the most 595 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 2: fascinating part about it, So we used to do We 596 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 2: used to pay for employees to go to college when 597 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 2: we had our steel foundry. So important, especially when you 598 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 2: have a manufacturing company like that, you need people with 599 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 2: management experience. They need to be able to get a 600 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 2: business degree to understand that. But they're also working long hours, 601 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 2: and we wanted to be able to balance those things. 602 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: This you can do at your own pace, yep. 603 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 3: And this I mean, I can tell you a number 604 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 3: of students who are doing and they tell us we're 605 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 3: doing on our commute to work. Really it's all yeah, 606 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 3: it's all micro learning. So you have it's multi sensor. 607 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 3: We have podcasts, we have interviews, we have audiobooks, we 608 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 3: have videos, and so little bytes of knowledge and beautiful 609 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 3: content provide the student in a streaming model app. And 610 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 3: so we have a student that actually we're speaking with 611 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 3: this individual this evening who said, actually, and I might 612 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 3: commute to work in and out. I listened to my podcast, 613 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 3: I listened to my audiobooks, and when I get to 614 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 3: work before I enter, I do the assessment that I 615 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 3: go into work. And we have no many examples like that. 616 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:08,240 Speaker 3: So we've made it tremendously flexible because today's students need flexibility, 617 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 3: tremendously accessible, a price point is incredible, and then world 618 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 3: class content, and we believe just a beautiful solution in 619 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 3: a beautiful way to bring a world class education to 620 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 3: help so many many Americans who need it well. 621 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 2: And even President Trump was I think a champion for 622 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 2: you on this because I heard him when he was 623 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 2: interviewed about Charlie and he was talking about how smart 624 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 2: Charlie was and what a great kid he was. 625 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: He said I always wanted him to go get a 626 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: college degree. 627 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 2: I thought that's so funny because that was not Charlie's message. 628 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 2: But even President Trump is on board that he thinks 629 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 2: you need a college degree to get and you really, 630 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,479 Speaker 2: you know, I think there are there are great things 631 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 2: you can do with trade trade skills and a trade degree, 632 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 2: and you can you can own your own business, and 633 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 2: you can become a great entrepreneur. 634 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: But if you want to. 635 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 2: Be in the business world and be competitive in a 636 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 2: bigger business than oftentimes, you need that degree. And you 637 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 2: even have President Trump on your side. 638 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 3: Well, two to the as wonderful to know. And I 639 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 3: will tell you, I mean, regardless of that, despite the 640 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 3: conversations about whether college is valued or not, the data 641 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 3: does not lie. It's still the most important credential for fiscal, 642 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 3: financial flourishing of an individual in a family. You know, 643 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 3: degree attainers who complete degrees oftentimes based on number of studies, 644 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 3: live five to seven years longer than those who don't 645 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 3: have a degree. Really, yeah, it touches every part of 646 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 3: your life. A very serious thing, becau It's not just 647 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 3: a credential, I mean, area has deep profound implications on 648 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 3: the quality of life we live, on how we raise 649 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 3: our families, on our democracy. If you think about individuals 650 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 3: who have degrees, they tend to be more involved, voting, 651 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 3: more more involved in civic organizations and volunteering than those 652 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 3: who don't. So it's really a transformative thing for our country. 653 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 3: And we also did something else, So we did soar 654 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 3: because we want to reach it's one hundred plus million 655 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 3: Americans who are never going to go back to college 656 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 3: or never going to start because of the price and 657 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 3: the costs and the lect flexibility. But we also did 658 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 3: a tuition reset a couple of years ago, but we 659 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 3: lowered our tuition by twenty two percent. So we are 660 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 3: the most you know, from a private university. We're part 661 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 3: of the most competitive, high quality university in terms of 662 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 3: price and content out there right now. And we've seen 663 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 3: the market react because parents have realized we're taking this 664 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 3: very seriously. We want not just a great opportunity to 665 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 3: enroll the adult, but the traditional student tradition of family place. 666 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 3: Come on in. We have made it very affordable for 667 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 3: you too. 668 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 2: And it's an I mean, for anybody who doesn't know 669 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 2: where it is in Grand Rapids, Michigan. You are in 670 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 2: a beautiful spot, great family values are drive to. 671 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: The beach at Lake Michigan. 672 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 2: It is just a great place to I mean, I 673 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 2: really cannot I cannot say enough good things about the 674 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 2: area that we are in, but I appreciate you so much. 675 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 2: I appreciate what Cornerstone does. We are so excited to 676 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 2: see where sore goes. But it's always a pleasure having 677 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 2: you on. Doctor Marino Rihanno from Cornerstone University. Thank you 678 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 2: so much, Tudor, Thank you for. 679 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 3: All that you do as well from Michigan and the 680 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 3: country thanks to the opportunity have agree with you to day. 681 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 682 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 2: Thank you, and thank you all for listening to the 683 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 2: Tutor Dixon podcast. For this episode and others, go to 684 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your 685 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 2: podcasts and you can watch it at YouTube or rumble 686 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 2: at Tutor Dixon. Join us next time and have a 687 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 2: blessed day.