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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey

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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and

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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in

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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or

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Speaker 1: scripted as well. All right, rain Dross, If you've been

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Speaker 1: sipping with us, then you know Reality Crime Stories is

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Speaker 1: where glam meets grit and the headlines always comes with

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Speaker 1: a sight of hard truth. Every week, Courtney Parker and

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Speaker 1: I put Back to the Velvet Robe on.

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Speaker 2: Fame, Fortune and the fallout they try to hide.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Carlos.

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Speaker 4: Everything from reality TV scandals to the crimes committed behind

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Speaker 4: the cameras, whether it happens on or off the screen,

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Speaker 4: Carlos and I will bring you the tea surrounding hot

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Speaker 4: topic crime stories involving all of your favorite reality TV personalities.

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Speaker 1: And if today's story taught us anything, child, is that

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Speaker 1: in this world the tea is never just hot, it's criminal.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Ray Drops.

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Speaker 1: On this episode of Reality Crime Stories, Courtney Parker and

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Speaker 1: I are back to discuss the latest happenings that's going

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Speaker 1: on with Real Housewife of Salt Lake City star Mary

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Speaker 1: Cosby's son, Robert Cosby Junior, who is in the spotlight

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Speaker 1: due to the fact that he has found himself in

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Speaker 1: some trouble.

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Speaker 2: So Courtney talk to us about what's going on.

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Speaker 1: And before we get to that, let's welcome our favorite

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Speaker 1: Judgeudge tyrannyus back to to give us nothing but the facts.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and my infamous disclaimer, rain Drops, don't be mad

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Speaker 5: at me because I cannot go into any details of

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Speaker 5: any open case. I am only here to explain the

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Speaker 5: legal system and how laws are applied.

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Speaker 6: I am not.

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Speaker 5: Here to give you any opinions or legal advice, So

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Speaker 5: please do not be mad at me.

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Speaker 6: Have a Marry Mary holiday.

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Speaker 2: And there you have it.

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Speaker 1: So Courtney talk to us about what's going on with

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Speaker 1: Mary some Robert Cosby Jr.

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Speaker 2: We all watch the show and we know that.

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Speaker 1: He was dealing with some addiction, but he did find

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Speaker 1: himself as some criminal trouble.

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Speaker 2: What's what's the.

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Speaker 4: Latest, Listen, I've been Carlos, you know, I have been

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Speaker 4: pushing for this since I first read about it, since

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Speaker 4: news just broke about it. Because I have been following

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Speaker 4: this family and all the scandals since The Real Housewives

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Speaker 4: of Salt Lake City aired and they got on This

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Speaker 4: is a near and dear topic to me because just

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Speaker 4: having been someone who grew up in a very faith

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Speaker 4: based family. My mom is a preacher's kid, my grandfather

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Speaker 4: was a Southern Baptist preacher. I've been in the area

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Speaker 4: of faith and faith based stuff and surrounded by not

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Speaker 4: in my family alone, but just working in and with

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Speaker 4: high society faith based families. I have been keeping a

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Speaker 4: real close eye on this. So when I found out

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Speaker 4: what was happening kind of behind the scenes with Robbie

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Speaker 4: Robert Cosby Junior and him attempting to, you know, break

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Speaker 4: into his father in law's house, the domestic violence charges

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Speaker 4: against him, and then this latest thing with the him

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Speaker 4: trying to break in through a doggy door, I was like,

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Speaker 4: we absolutely have to talk about this, but more so

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Speaker 4: than just the crimes that he's pled guilty to, and

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Speaker 4: we'll get into all of that, but just the dynamics

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Speaker 4: of what makes somebody that is that grows up in

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Speaker 4: the reality scene, but not reality characters. They're thrown into

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Speaker 4: We've seen it happen so many times, and we as

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Speaker 4: producers of reality TV don't really get to tell the

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Speaker 4: stories of the characters behind the characters. And that's why

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Speaker 4: this Reality Crime Store Stories episode is so near and

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Speaker 4: dearer to my heart, because there are casual these these

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Speaker 4: kids and young adults become sometimes casualties of circumstances, and

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Speaker 4: that's what I feel has happened here with Robert, so to.

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Speaker 2: Break things down. On September sixth and seventh.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty five, Robert Cosmy Junior rust arrested after

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Speaker 2: Law's home through a dog door, allegedly.

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Speaker 1: Assaulting a person on the property, allegedly refusing police commands,

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Speaker 1: why charges worth file criminal trespass, a saft, failure to

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Speaker 2: On November ninth of this year, Robert Jr.

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Speaker 1: Was arrested again and charge with the multiple offenses including,

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Speaker 1: In his latest court appearance on November twenty fifth, he

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Speaker 1: charges he admitted to include felon need, property damage destruction,

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Speaker 1: two counts of violating a pre trip protective order which

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Speaker 1: violation of a jail release court order, criminal trespass of

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Speaker 1: this plea agreement, six other misdemeanor charges. We're just missed

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Speaker 1: with prejudice, which means, right, Judge, that they can't try

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Speaker 1: him again for that.

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Speaker 2: That's correct.

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Speaker 6: That's correct. Attorney King, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: I'm in law school, guys, thank you, Robert.

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Speaker 6: We are joking. Carlos King is not a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I played one

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Speaker 1: Robert Junior remains incarcerated rain drops at the Salt Lake

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: So Judge, I want to ask the first question that

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Speaker 2: corney will follow up with mini men many more.

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Speaker 1: Talk to us about the fact that, okay, these charges

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Speaker 1: do seem to be serious, and although serious, it does

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Speaker 1: appear just based on reading it that look property damage,

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Speaker 1: does remain incarcerated until February third. Speak to us just

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Speaker 1: about how these charges that some people may say, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, he didn't murder anybody, you know he those things, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those things people may say.

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Speaker 1: Okay, in some cases, you may be able to be

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Speaker 1: released on bail until you're sentencing on February third, although

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Speaker 1: obviously we're going to talk about the facts of the case,

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Speaker 1: not your opinion. I am curious as to are these

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Speaker 1: until trial until sentencing rather.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So again I can't speak on an open case

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Speaker 5: rain drops realize that I am actually a criminal, mistermeanor judge.

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Speaker 5: So what I can explain is the difference between felony

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Speaker 5: Just total red flag. The felony is going to elevate

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Speaker 5: this to a more serious criminal conduct level. Okay, So

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Speaker 5: the fact that there is a criminal felony property damage

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Speaker 5: I cannot. I do not preside over mister felonies. I

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Speaker 5: only preside over mistermeanors. And so that that alone tells

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Speaker 6: It is property.

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Speaker 5: Damage and generally fell a property damaged charges will be

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Speaker 6: The amount is going to vary from state to state.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So you have that, you have a felony charge,

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Speaker 5: then you have a host of mister meanors that are

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Speaker 3: Can you break down.

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Speaker 4: The tiers of mistermeanors and what kind of time people

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Speaker 4: for me, when I hear Mistermeanor, I feel like.

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Speaker 3: That's a slap on the wrist.

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Speaker 4: It's not really serious and it really has to deal

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Speaker 4: with paying fines. So can you clarify that how.

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Speaker 5: I think that they that may be a misnomer. So

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Speaker 5: any mister meaner charge again is going to vary state

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Speaker 6: I am in the state of Georgia.

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Speaker 5: In the State of Georgia, mistermeanor, charge is going to

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Speaker 5: be a fine up to eight thousand dollars plus court

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Speaker 6: So if you have six or seven.

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Speaker 5: Mistermeanors, theoretically I could put you behind bars for up to.

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Speaker 6: Six to seven years. What wow, Yes, because you.

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Speaker 5: Can run the sentenc scen concurrently which means at the

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Speaker 5: think that you know, the public has to be very

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Speaker 5: It is serious whether it is a misdemeanor or a felony.

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Speaker 5: The felony just takes it to a higher level. And

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Speaker 5: it is also going to impede your ability to go

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Speaker 5: sometimes they ask about your criminal history and specifically about

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Speaker 6: The felony is definitely going to up the ante.

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Speaker 4: The fact that he's pleaded guilty and he's assuming responsibility,

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Speaker 4: and this he really is a first time offender, not

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Speaker 3: First time offender.

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Speaker 4: This is all of it is connected to his soon

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Speaker 4: to be ex wife.

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Speaker 3: Would this be considered a family court thing or no?

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Speaker 4: Whenever there is an assault or domestic violence between spouses,

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Speaker 4: how can you break down to us.

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Speaker 3: What that looks like.

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Speaker 5: So the charges that you all have listed are all

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Speaker 5: criminal charges. That means that you are going to be

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Speaker 5: in a criminal court period, point blank, full stop. There

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Speaker 5: is no other court. There is no we can go

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Speaker 5: determine your conduct based on the facts of the law. Okay,

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Speaker 5: And I want to make a point because again I

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Speaker 5: I want to be clear, I'm not sure that this

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Speaker 5: is the first offense, because based on the charges that

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Speaker 5: you listed, it sounds like there may have been a

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Speaker 5: violation of a standing order from a previous case, which.

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Speaker 1: Makes sense because on September sixth, is when he was

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Speaker 1: arrested first, and November ninth, which is two months after

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Speaker 1: what appears to be the first arrest, he was arrested again.

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Speaker 2: So maybe the reason, yeah, for similar things.

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Speaker 1: So to your point, Judge Tyranny, he's been arrested twice

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Speaker 1: a minute two months for so the first time he

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Speaker 1: was arrested, just reiterate, it was attempted to break in,

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Speaker 1: assaulting a personal property, refusing police commands, and like you said,

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Speaker 1: violating a protective order.

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Speaker 2: So his estranged wife, it appears.

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Speaker 1: You know, had allegedly a protective order against him that

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Speaker 1: he violated. So the reason why, to your point, this

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Speaker 1: is becoming not because I mean it is a criminal situation,

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Speaker 1: is because there's been what it appears to.

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Speaker 2: Be multiple violations that led to this.

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Speaker 6: That is correct.

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Speaker 5: And I think I heard someone mention maybe a dui,

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Speaker 4: Right, all of it has stemmed from there is dispute

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Speaker 5: And I want to I don't want to keep correcting you,

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Speaker 6: It was a dispute between a couple.

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Speaker 5: Once there is criminal activity, it is now a matter

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Speaker 1: No, the thing is, no, I met her and she's

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Speaker 1: He has now accept the responsibility for his mistakes. And

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Speaker 4: And her husband his father. So this goes back to

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Speaker 4: She entered into a marriage with her step grandfather.

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Speaker 4: And and it gets weirder because Mary has allegedly long

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, was it was the grandmother attached to the grandfather.

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Speaker 1: But but but I want to make sure, I mean, courty,

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Speaker 4: And so although they've been married twenty seven years, Robert

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Speaker 4: And those are not my allegations. Those are alleged so

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Speaker 4: all of this is happening. Imagine being even if it's

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Speaker 3: It's just complicated.

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Speaker 4: Where we all know being black, growing up in religious communities,

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Speaker 4: So that to me is where I wonder judge sharing.

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Speaker 4: And I already kind of know your answer, but I'm

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Speaker 6: Questions making them mad at me go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Does any of that factor in when and I know

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Speaker 4: This guy is twenty three, so although he's an adult,

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Speaker 4: we all know being mothers, but our twenty year old

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Speaker 4: just gonna say it, since we're talking about religion, grace

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Speaker 5: So before I speak, you know, based on the law,

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Speaker 6: They didn't choose to become a public servant.

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Speaker 5: They didn't choose this career by a factor of me,

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Speaker 6: And as a.

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Speaker 5: I hear what you're saying, but I have to often

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Speaker 6: Now, with that said, that is.

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Speaker 5: Why I constantly believe that you cannot give blanket answers

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Speaker 5: And when you talk about background information, it may not

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Speaker 6: We want to make sure that we are balancing making

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Speaker 5: And so in those instances, we do have some programs

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Speaker 6: Got it.

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Speaker 5: However, if I have given you that chance, or you

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Speaker 6: We are a criminal justice system.

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Speaker 4: Got it? So, the lack of emotional modeling, the lack

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Speaker 6: They have no.

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Speaker 6: When you apply in the laws.

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Speaker 6: Have an advocate.

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Speaker 5: These are the facts that a lawyer will explain to

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Speaker 6: Right, the legal justice system does not.

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Speaker 5: Give excuses for growing up in a bad environment. We

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Speaker 6: And I think that your heart can go out to

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Speaker 5: And a lot of times when people are defending the

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Speaker 6: And so as a judge and as a court, we again.

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Speaker 6: Got it.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to ask a question to you, Carlos, because

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Speaker 4: you need me. However, I am a mom and my

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Speaker 4: daughter comes first, So I will work as hard for

449
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Speaker 4: you as I can and give you everything I got,

450
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Speaker 4: but when she needs me and I need to show up,

451
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Speaker 4: I need to show up. So I say that to

452
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Speaker 4: say to give the disclaimer, and he was like okay.

453
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Speaker 4: And he was one of the first bosses that I've had,

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Speaker 4: friends that I had that understood the balance that was

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Speaker 4: necessary for a black woman to do her job and

456
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Speaker 4: do it with excellence but also be a mom. And

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Speaker 4: Carlos said to me, you can do this for forever,

458
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Speaker 4: but you're only going to be a mother to her

459
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Speaker 4: for a short amount of time that it's gonna matter.

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Speaker 4: So I said all of that to say, Carlos, do

461
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Speaker 4: you give your when you're dealing with cast that equally

462
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Speaker 4: are giving you all they have being transparent on TV?

463
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Speaker 4: And you are a producer, a strong producer and show

464
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Speaker 4: creator that follows the reality. Carlos is not a scripted

465
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Speaker 4: reality producer. Contrary to what people may think he literally

466
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Speaker 4: is one that follows the reality and tells all of

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Speaker 4: us to live by that same mandate. How do you

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Speaker 4: do you own any of the responsibility of what is shown,

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Speaker 4: the ridicules that you're cast their kids feel in face

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Speaker 4: and then talk to us a little bit about that,

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Speaker 4: because it's a slippery slope.

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Speaker 1: A wonderful question, It is a slippery slope right now.

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Speaker 1: I can't speak for other reality producers. Everybody operates differently.

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Speaker 1: When I can say, based on my experience, that I

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Speaker 1: can talk about is the fact that there is a

476
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Speaker 1: balance of how much do you show where it doesn't

477
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Speaker 1: feel like you're exploiting the story and you're exploiting someone's addiction.

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Speaker 1: So when it comes to me anything different minor kids

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Speaker 1: and the obviously that means kids under eighteen years old,

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Speaker 1: that to me is at the courtesy of the parent

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Speaker 1: and the child to agree, well the parent.

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Speaker 2: Thankfully.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to what Mary decided to do and

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Speaker 1: Robert decided to do, because they both agreed to talk

485
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Speaker 1: about it on Salt Lake City and.

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Speaker 2: I'll get to that in a second.

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Speaker 1: Roberts over the age of eighteen, so as as an adult,

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Speaker 1: he made the decision to talk about his addiction. On

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Speaker 1: a show called Bill Collective that I created and produced.

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Speaker 1: Marie has a mother who had a drug addiction and

491
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Speaker 1: who's been battling her drug addiction since Marie was a kid. Right,

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Speaker 1: we captured her conversation with her mom about getting sober.

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Speaker 1: We saw visibly that her mother appeared to still be

494
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Speaker 1: battling with it.

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Speaker 2: I might have to diagnose anybody.

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Speaker 1: She says she wasn't using on one point, in another conversation,

497
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Speaker 1: she admitted to being addicted to drugs, and we followed

498
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Speaker 1: Marie going around crack houses to find her mother.

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Speaker 2: And it was at that point that I said, you know,

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Speaker 2: but we have to stop.

501
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: We have to stop because it gets to a point

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Speaker 1: where it does feel like I don't want to exploit

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Speaker 1: anybody going through this to where there's no room for sobriety.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's when you have to make the

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Speaker 1: decision of is there room for sobriety to where this

506
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Speaker 1: can be a heroin story, right, like she's this person

507
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: survived addiction, which I would love to tell that story

508
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Speaker 1: that wasn't the case. And we see filming with her

509
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Speaker 1: mother until prayerfully she gets better. It comes to Robert,

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Speaker 1: I mean Robert Jr. What is interesting is the fact

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Speaker 1: that I'm.

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Speaker 6: Sorry, Can I make one comment like please? Of course, yes,

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Speaker 6: I'm getting a little emotional. As the daughter of a junkie.

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Speaker 6: I wrote a.

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Speaker 4: Whole context to that. Can you give us a context?

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00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 4: You're saying it and the rain drops may not know

517
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Speaker 4: how deep that goes.

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Speaker 5: So I wrote a book about my childhood growing up

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Speaker 5: with a father who has been addicted to cocaine since

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Speaker 5: nineteen seventy eight. He still struggles with his addiction to

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Speaker 5: this day. By the grace of God, he is still

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Speaker 5: alive to struggle. And what I wanted to say is

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Speaker 5: I want to give you kudos for making sure you

524
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Speaker 5: didn't go too far, But more importantly, as the child

525
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Speaker 5: of another addict, I want to give you kudos for

526
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Speaker 5: sharing that story, as hard as it may be. I

527
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 5: am so happy to see that you are not running

528
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 5: from the story, because we have to share these stories

529
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Speaker 5: more often to humanize and show that it is a struggle.

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Speaker 6: Addiction is a disease, and yes, she.

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Speaker 5: May have been clean when she said she was clean,

532
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Speaker 5: but it is an every day, one day at a

533
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 5: time struggle, and they relapsed. But the story is not

534
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Speaker 5: how many times you fall down, but how many times

535
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Speaker 5: you get up. And I thank God that my father

536
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 5: continues to get up. So I don't want you to

537
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Speaker 5: be so hard about sharing that story because.

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Speaker 6: It may sound really harsh.

539
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 5: But I went and looked at my sister and I

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Speaker 5: I talk about in the book at nine years old,

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Speaker 5: I'm negotiating my father out of.

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Speaker 6: A crackhouse at nine wow.

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Speaker 5: And it was not a big deal, which is why

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Speaker 5: I wrote about it, because I wanted you to understand

545
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Speaker 5: it doesn't matter if.

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Speaker 6: He's in a crackhouse. I'm going to look for him.

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Speaker 5: I still love him, and I am still going to

548
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 5: root for him to be okay. So I don't want

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00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 5: you to be so hard on yourself about that, because

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Speaker 5: the more we share these stories and we show the

551
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Speaker 5: real life stories not just of the parent, but of

552
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Speaker 5: her child who has gone on onto the bell collecting,

553
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 5: who has successes within her own right despite her upbringing,

554
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Speaker 5: and that is the outcomes we have to continue to share.

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Speaker 5: And I apologize for getting so personal today, but I

556
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 5: appreciate you all indulging me, but I mean you spoke

557
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 5: to my spirit and I am not a person who generally.

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Speaker 6: Runs from that when it happens.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm glad you share that because it is what

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00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: you said. Listen.

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Speaker 1: The beauty of rialgy television that I love this is

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Speaker 1: this and the range to know this.

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Speaker 2: I love following real stories because I feel like.

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Speaker 1: I feel like everybody can relate to a person on

565
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Speaker 1: these shows in their backstory. And like you, like you said,

566
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Speaker 1: my attention was, this is relatable. You know a a

567
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Speaker 1: a successful woman who you know, Marie owns.

568
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Speaker 2: Her own practice.

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Speaker 1: She's a doctor, and she deals with mental health, and

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Speaker 1: she deals with addiction as a mental health provider. And

571
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Speaker 1: to know that, courtesy of her entering that career, had

572
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Speaker 1: a lot to do with her mom still battling the addiction.

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Speaker 1: I think that's just something that's relatable. And again, the

574
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Speaker 1: reason why it sees production is because.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to let.

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Speaker 1: The audience know, like we're gonna follow the journey, but

577
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Speaker 1: also didn't want it to be a situation where.

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Speaker 2: Possibly possibly her mother.

579
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Speaker 1: May have enjoyed the attention and maybe the tension of

580
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: the cameras resolved in some dangerous things too. So it

581
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: is a fine line, but we definite want to talk

582
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Speaker 1: about it. And that's Robert Robert Junior. He talked about

583
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: he suffered through drug addiction. He talked about it on

584
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Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. He admitted to

585
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: that and I want to read this verbatim. It terms

586
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: up the drugs that he was addicted to, because when

587
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: you hear a story like this is when you do

588
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: realize that, Listen, you can grow up as a PK.

589
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Speaker 2: Preacher's kid.

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Speaker 1: You can grow up you know, with with with with

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Speaker 1: parents who have all the resources in the world. It

592
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Speaker 1: doesn't prevent you from going through going down the road

593
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Speaker 1: of having an addiction. So Robert Jr. Revealed on the

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Speaker 1: show that he had suicidal IDAH and addition struggles which

595
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: included the use of heroin, xanax, acid, molly, cocaine, and oxycoccin.

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Speaker 2: His mother, Mary, spoke.

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Speaker 1: Recently about this on September temp a few days after

598
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Speaker 1: her son got arrested, and said that you know at

599
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Speaker 1: that time that he is doing as good as he

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Speaker 1: can with his sobriety.

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Speaker 2: She also said that it's his journey and.

602
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Speaker 1: Explained that she told her son, if you don't make

603
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Speaker 1: up your mind, then this is all for nothing. And

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Speaker 1: if it just takes a made up mind to do

605
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Speaker 1: and execute whatever you're trying to do, but you can't

606
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Speaker 1: do it if your mind's not made up, and she said,

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Speaker 1: I can't make that up for him. She also discussed

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Speaker 1: the fact that she can only push him and encourage

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Speaker 1: him and love him.

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00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: And that's what she's doing.

611
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Speaker 1: But he's still on that road and it's a hardcore road.

612
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Speaker 2: But as a mom, it is tough to watch.

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Speaker 1: So just want to ask a context because of what's

614
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Speaker 1: going on with him and his decision to document that

615
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: on the show. And like Judge Tyranny said, addiction is

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Speaker 1: something that they teach you this in AA meetings and

617
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Speaker 1: in rehab. It literally is one day at a time.

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Speaker 1: This one day at a time. It literally is you

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Speaker 1: can have a great six months and unfortunately, you know

620
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Speaker 1: one day you can decide that, oh this won't be

621
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Speaker 1: as bad because I'm recovered for six months.

622
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Speaker 2: But it is a disease. That's what they teach you

623
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Speaker 2: in these meetings and AA meetings and rehab.

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Speaker 1: It's a disease and one of the most powerful ways

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Speaker 1: to overcome it is number one God, which is why

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00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: they they do the serenity prayer in these meetings. But

627
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Speaker 1: also the reason why they do said one day at

628
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: a time is because it's a struggle to proceed every

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Speaker 1: day without going back to the bad habit.

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Speaker 5: So and it's also to make sure you don't get overwhelmed, right,

631
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Speaker 5: is to deal with what is today today. I did

632
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 5: not get high. I will worry about tomorrow tomorrow, because

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Speaker 5: when you have addiction behaviors, when you start thinking about

634
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Speaker 5: the future or tomorrow or next month, then it is

635
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Speaker 5: overwhelming and it makes you not think about what is

636
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Speaker 5: it directly in front of you right now. And so

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Speaker 5: I've been in more INA meetings than most addicts because

638
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Speaker 5: I grew up in them.

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Speaker 4: Right do we think because one of the public scrutiny

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Speaker 4: as of today, as of yesterday when I was doing

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Speaker 4: my search, is how silent Mary has been, even though

642
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Speaker 4: she gave that statement and said this is his journey.

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Speaker 4: Are we surprised that she's been silent and non vocal

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Speaker 4: now after the second arrest?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think this.

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Speaker 1: I think based on the fact that so the statement

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Speaker 1: that I read from her was September tenth, he played

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Speaker 1: guilty on November twenty six, So she hasn't spoken now

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Speaker 1: since then, at least publicly.

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Speaker 2: They didn't take the reunion for Salt Lake City.

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Speaker 1: I believe it was last week if I'm not mistaken,

652
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Speaker 1: So I'm assuming she spoke about it on the reunion

653
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Speaker 1: that's upcoming. But I think my opinion, I think for her,

654
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Speaker 1: just based on watching the show and what she said

655
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Speaker 1: in September, I think there's only so much more you

656
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: can say about the fact that is his journey, and

657
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: as a mom, she's trying her best. Yeah, And I

658
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Speaker 1: just think she's she's she's doing her best, trying to

659
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Speaker 1: be there for him. But the idea that her son

660
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Speaker 1: is sitting in jail till February third.

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Speaker 5: And to ask my own question, why does she need

662
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Speaker 5: to say something? Why does she owe that to anyone?

663
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Speaker 5: This is a private matter for her, It is not

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Speaker 5: a criminal matter for her.

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Speaker 6: This is her child.

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Speaker 5: This is very personal and private, and she is doing

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Speaker 5: her best to help him get through that. So why

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Speaker 5: would it be necessary. Why is there an expectation for

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Speaker 5: her to say anything?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think, and again, in all fairness, not necessarily

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Speaker 4: that I agree, But I often say to people, when

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Speaker 4: you make yourself public figures by way of anything, you

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Speaker 4: invite people into your lives. We're following your reality there's

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Speaker 4: not necessarily an off switch, which I as a producer,

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Speaker 4: I feel is not necessarily fair. But when you sign

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Speaker 4: up to be on reality TV and you're exposing your

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Speaker 4: life that comes with the good the bad. We want

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Speaker 4: to know everything about you because that's why we fell

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Speaker 4: in love with you. We follow you, and we feel

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Speaker 4: entitled as audience members. We feel entitled to our opinions.

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Speaker 4: We feel entitled to It's I'm always fascinated by people

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Speaker 4: who blow.

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Speaker 3: Up, you run to the internet, you do all.

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Speaker 4: This stuff on TV, and then you ask us to

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Speaker 4: respect your privacy during this matter. Oh heck no, we're

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Speaker 4: not respecting anything. We want to know what you know

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Speaker 4: because you have fed the beast, and now the beast

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Speaker 4: is hungry for everything. Now again, I'm speaking for a

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Speaker 4: volume because when I'm asked that question as a producer,

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Speaker 4: my humanity is like this. This is why I probably

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Speaker 4: couldn't do reality TV, because there is really no off button,

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Speaker 4: especially if you're as popular of a personality as Mary

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Speaker 4: is to this franchise, like every part of her life

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Speaker 4: has been on display, particularly when TLC is doing a

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Speaker 4: whole special and expose on this cult church that they're

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Speaker 4: alleging this weird behavior, you marrying your step grandfather, like

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Speaker 4: all of that sets you up for us to want

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Speaker 4: to know more. So to your point, Judge T Yes,

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Speaker 4: as we're audience members and rain drops that are watching it,

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Speaker 4: the best thing that we can say, and you set

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Speaker 4: this in Portie in our Portsie episode, is for us

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Speaker 4: as audience members, us as journalists and us as producers

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Speaker 4: to kind of step back and remember the humanity of

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Speaker 4: these people and have some empathy and.

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Speaker 3: Have some grace.

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Speaker 5: And I will just say, as a public figure who

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Speaker 5: deals with her own scrutiny, who has for many years,

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Speaker 5: and again as a mother, I do believe that within boundaries,

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Speaker 5: I am fair gain I do not believe that applies

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Speaker 5: to my children. And so I am just saying that

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Speaker 5: we all have limitations in boundaries. And if I have

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Speaker 5: given you so much, you just gave me. She shared

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Speaker 5: everything that clearly she's okay with sharing, but the one

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Speaker 5: time that she does ask for some privacy, it seems

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Speaker 5: like that we should expect a boundary and a limitation

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Speaker 5: when it comes to someone's child, because no matter how

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Speaker 5: old you are, you are always my baby.

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Speaker 6: And that hits differently, got it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah know, so listen, we will take that we

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Speaker 1: have more of a counseling session today.

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Speaker 2: No, I was good.

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Speaker 1: The thing is this, I'm glad we decided to touch

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Speaker 1: on this, you know, like Courty says, she's want to

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Speaker 1: talk about this for a minute. And obviously I'm very

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Speaker 1: sensitive to what's happening with Robert Jr. And Mary and

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Speaker 1: just what's going on. Courtney's right. Obviously Mary has decided to.

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Speaker 2: Be a public figure.

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Speaker 1: What comes with that, you know, is the expectation of

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Speaker 1: talking about it.

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Speaker 2: But I'm happy that we all not that I was

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Speaker 2: worried about it, but that.

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Speaker 1: We all follow this with such Greace, just based on

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Speaker 1: the sensitivity surrounding a mother and son. And look, it's

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Speaker 1: one thing if Mary's dealing with of court case, I

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Speaker 1: think all bests are off. I think it's her son

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Speaker 1: that makes it very sensitive to discuss.

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Speaker 2: But I love the way we handle it and how

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Speaker 2: we apply our.

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Speaker 1: Varied personal journey dealing with this topic to really shed

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Speaker 1: light on it.

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Speaker 2: So rain drops.

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Speaker 1: The Sentus single schedule for February third, twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: So best believe we will follow that and circle back

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Speaker 1: with the latest update.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Courtney, it does Taranny Reality Crime Story. You'll

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Speaker 2: catch us again on the next one.

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Speaker 6: Courtney, you look so beautiful. Can I just say.

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Speaker 2: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: She he does all ray drops. Love you guys. We'll

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Speaker 2: see the next one.

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Speaker 6: Bye bye.

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King,

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Speaker 1: produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership.

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Speaker 2: With the Lack Effect Network.

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