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Speaker 1: twenty two, Season seventeen, episode number one oh three. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the latest edition of The Break. We are alive
Speaker 1: in that's WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. We got
Speaker 1: the full crew, or we did have the full crew.
Speaker 1: We uh, we have every back. See we're back. We
Speaker 1: have everybody in the studio. Day Davis back from Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: I don't think you have. You didn't catch a cold,
Speaker 1: did you? Like? I was got out there? You told
Speaker 1: you're out there in the right. The temperature changes of
Speaker 1: reeked havoc on my sinuses. But I'm I'm okay. It's
Speaker 1: too worse for wear good. Nick and Dave Boat dressed
Speaker 1: looking good job interviews the day we ready to go
Speaker 1: that we know something that I don't know that's what
Speaker 1: Nick told me. He was like, job interview, I got
Speaker 1: some things I'm working on. So there we about a
Speaker 1: fast food chain. I was gonna be the district manager
Speaker 1: I've I was working. Oh sweet, Okay, it's probably not
Speaker 1: a sponsor for us, So yes, you probably shouldn't say it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I probably won't get the job. We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1: Let's try and get a reference. Yeah, I don't know that.
Speaker 1: I don't know that being a writer for the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys necessarily makes you a great candidate for a job
Speaker 1: like that. But who knows. Maybe maybe we'll see press releases.
Speaker 1: You're about to say something. No, no, not about to
Speaker 1: say I got nothing and if I was, I now
Speaker 1: keep it to myself. Yeah, all right, let's let's start
Speaker 1: with our opener and what we do every day here
Speaker 1: in the off season. Get me a sports story right now,
Speaker 1: just in random over the last week. Something that's interesting
Speaker 1: to you that you want to just talk about. Nick,
Speaker 1: Let's start with you. Well, you can talk about your boy.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I am that all of win I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk about them. Hellab a win yep, Arkansas beating
Speaker 1: the number one team last night in overtime. Great game.
Speaker 1: First time that Arkansas has beaten a number one team
Speaker 1: since Michael Jordan was playing for North Carolina. Wow, I
Speaker 1: was eight years old. I remember that game. Hadn't beat
Speaker 1: a number one, to beat Auburn, no fingers, fingernails left,
Speaker 1: but yeah, got it done. That's that's big. I appreciate
Speaker 1: how much you like Arkansas basketball, Like love really Arkansas. No,
Speaker 1: but like he really loves Arkansas basketball. Oh yeah, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: Like you would have asked me you could win a
Speaker 1: football national championship or a basketball It's like, for you
Speaker 1: would be no brainer. It's not like it's laugh even
Speaker 1: ask the question. Not for me, because man, you're going
Speaker 1: through six weeks of Final four and all that. Like
Speaker 1: what a ride that is. I've even been I've actually
Speaker 1: experienced it. Yeah, but man it's Awesomelan Richardson Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it was good. It was good win. Which that's my
Speaker 1: point is Kentucky's probably the only fan base in the
Speaker 1: SEC that really feels that way. Like everybody else, it's
Speaker 1: all football all the time. I'd rather win a College
Speaker 1: World Series than a Final Four probably, but that's it's
Speaker 1: all unique to your own fan base, though. I mean
Speaker 1: if LSU would Actually LSU was pretty damn good when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, but by the time I was
Speaker 1: old enough to really basketball, yeah, I mean, they had Shack,
Speaker 1: they had Stanley roberts Um Yeah yeah, I mean they
Speaker 1: had some really yeah, but by the time I was
Speaker 1: old enough to really appreciate it, they were kind of trash.
Speaker 1: So and this year they started, you off thing having
Speaker 1: ey hopes and as long as they make but that's
Speaker 1: as long as they make the tournament. I don't care,
Speaker 1: which I mean, if they make the tournament, I'll be happy.
Speaker 1: That's where my expectations are. With LSU basketball, I don't
Speaker 1: really care beyond that. Where like the baseball team, I'm
Speaker 1: already they're playing preseason games. I'm like, Okay, how's our
Speaker 1: cleanup hitter doing? Like, what's going on here? It's just, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how you're raised. I guess, give me a sports story.
Speaker 1: Ye oh, I don't know. We'll just continue along that line.
Speaker 1: I mean, my son's playing in the Super Bowl on Sunday.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm excited about it. For those that don't know,
Speaker 1: you don't really have a son, but you're talking. Anybody
Speaker 1: that knows me knows what I'm talking about. Um, I'm yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm excited for Joe Burrow. It's it's really cool. It's
Speaker 1: funny like have you ever like had a band that
Speaker 1: you were on too early and then they kind of
Speaker 1: start to get popular and you're like, okay, like I'm
Speaker 1: happy for your success, but everybody's hey, I was here first,
Speaker 1: outcast for me. Yeah, yeah, that's a great that's a
Speaker 1: great point. And that's kind of how I feel about Joe.
Speaker 1: I'm like, the whole feels like he's captured the whole
Speaker 1: sporting world's attention, and I'm like, Okay, I want y'all
Speaker 1: to root for Joe, but like we were here first,
Speaker 1: like we we claim we found him. He's ours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like Ohio State fans are like, oh, he was molded
Speaker 1: by Ohio. I'm like, shut up, Okay, he's ours. But
Speaker 1: I'm very excited. I hope he wins the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: That would be great. And just so you guys know
Speaker 1: this kind of funny. The other day, Dave walks by
Speaker 1: my office. He has a package and he kind of
Speaker 1: holds it up to my window and kind of sneaks
Speaker 1: it out, and it's like the Cincinnati Bengal hood I
Speaker 1: guess was a hoodie sweatshirt. I was like, that's real, Like,
Speaker 1: that's real. That's how you know that's his boy? Like
Speaker 1: I he is all in. I will be wherever he
Speaker 1: goes as long as he's playing and when he's done playing,
Speaker 1: like and like, and you know, we did a documentary
Speaker 1: about Dak and it was mainly about how Mississippi State
Speaker 1: fans feel the same way about him. Yeah, it's real, man,
Speaker 1: And then win your national championship, You're gonna cut form forever,
Speaker 1: right and and I'm not. I don't know something about
Speaker 1: It's just different in the pros. Like everybody, you love
Speaker 1: your quarterback in the pros. But when you see these
Speaker 1: guys come up from being like a literal kid, I
Speaker 1: mean that sounds stupid. Joe was like twenty two when
Speaker 1: he got to LSU. But I don't know, to just
Speaker 1: kind of come from nothing as like a Okay, who's
Speaker 1: this kid? He's from bfe Ohio. Guess he can't be
Speaker 1: worse than what we've got. And then to get here
Speaker 1: in such a short amount of time, it's just swild
Speaker 1: amber goat for us. Best love right there? He is
Speaker 1: my son. Obviously I did not follow because I don't
Speaker 1: follow up college football whatsoever. But the more I see him,
Speaker 1: the more I like him. And he has this cockiness
Speaker 1: to him, but it's like an appealing kind of cockiness,
Speaker 1: saying like there's you know, it's not the kind of
Speaker 1: cockiness that you just hate it. I wouldn't be I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked if if anybody was like, yeah, your
Speaker 1: boy Joe's seems like kind of an a hole, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, I get where you. I understand where you
Speaker 1: get that from. But like, it doesn't seem like it
Speaker 1: bothers very many not off putting because some people it
Speaker 1: can be, but it's not off put us because he's
Speaker 1: backs it up every step of the way. That's the thing,
Speaker 1: is like, why wouldn't you be cocky with what he's
Speaker 1: accomplished in such a short period of time, And it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like he does it at the expense of
Speaker 1: his teammates, I guess is the best way to it all.
Speaker 1: And we don't know these guys, by the way, we
Speaker 1: don't know if he really does or doesn't. But the
Speaker 1: way it appears, the way it seems is like he's
Speaker 1: still a good teammate. His teammates like him, so it's
Speaker 1: like he's you could see the little bit of arrogance,
Speaker 1: but it's like he still seems like a good guy, right.
Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily have a sports story, but something
Speaker 1: that I did see this morning, staying on topic, was
Speaker 1: the whole news on Gronk and what he said. What
Speaker 1: do you say? He said that, you know, with Tom
Speaker 1: Brady leaving and all that, I guess he mentioned somewhere
Speaker 1: that a guy that he would like to go and
Speaker 1: play with would be him Burrow Burrow. I didn't see that, Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's trending on Twitter. Yeah, he's like, I'll go
Speaker 1: play next to him. So if he's like the other
Speaker 1: guy that it's not Tom Brady, he would go with
Speaker 1: Joe Barrow. It's great. You kind of get to a
Speaker 1: point in your career where you're just ring hopping, like
Speaker 1: I'll go play for this guy that I like who
Speaker 1: might be able to help me win another super grenade
Speaker 1: out there and see what happened. That's amazing. I didn't
Speaker 1: hear that. I saw the clip that's the headline that
Speaker 1: said the quarterback that that Gronk wants to play with,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm not giving it to you. I'm
Speaker 1: not clear clicking on that. Oh they were baiting you
Speaker 1: in right, whatever, I'm not Yeah, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: Along a similar line, though, like and I do. This
Speaker 1: is something I've been thinking about a lot, because, like,
Speaker 1: I'm emotionally invested in Joe's success. I really want him
Speaker 1: to win. But like, it's easy to be a prisoner
Speaker 1: of the moment, and it's easy. I mean, he's great,
Speaker 1: and I assume he'll be back on this stage at
Speaker 1: some point, but it's not a given. I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about that a lot, Like, you gotta take advantage of
Speaker 1: these opportunities. You know, the example, right, the consummate example,
Speaker 1: Dan Marino, Yes, exactly, made a super Bowl in his
Speaker 1: second season in the league. Never went back, and it's
Speaker 1: and had good teams, Yeah, never went back. It was
Speaker 1: it's it's that always bothers me, Like it's like that
Speaker 1: the condescending thing that the graceful winner says, or they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: y'all be back, y'all be back, like let Stafford have
Speaker 1: this one because he's older, Like, y'all will be back.
Speaker 1: You don't know that, Yeah, so you gotta make this
Speaker 1: stuff count. Yeah, absolutely, and they're you would think they're
Speaker 1: they're playing ahead of schedule. With all the young as
Speaker 1: they got on that team, it's easy to say like, oh,
Speaker 1: they weren't supposed to be here. They'll get better and
Speaker 1: be back, but who the hell knows? Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: so I don't really have a sports story. I got
Speaker 1: something that's you could say, it's kind of competitive. But
Speaker 1: am I the only one that's addicted to word all
Speaker 1: at this point? Like I am all in on this game, Nick,
Speaker 1: I've gotten you, I think semi addicted at this point.
Speaker 1: For those of you out there listening, if you haven't
Speaker 1: heard about this, it's everywhere right now. But basically, there
Speaker 1: are these guys that developed this website that is it's
Speaker 1: a five letter game word I mean word game. Basically,
Speaker 1: you put in a random word and then it tells
Speaker 1: you which ones of those letters in that word you
Speaker 1: picked are either in the right spot or a word
Speaker 1: that a letter that's in the word but not in
Speaker 1: the right spot, and you have six tries to get
Speaker 1: it right, but you only get one time to play
Speaker 1: every day, and the whole world has the same word.
Speaker 1: So it just becomes this thing where you kind of
Speaker 1: figure out your word and then you send it to
Speaker 1: whoever you want to say it too and say, see,
Speaker 1: it only took me three, it only took me four,
Speaker 1: it took me five, whatever. And I am just completely
Speaker 1: addicted to the game. I think it's just it's just
Speaker 1: so random and so much fun. So if you haven't
Speaker 1: done it, go doing it. I know what it is.
Speaker 1: I haven't really spent a lot of time with it.
Speaker 1: It sounds like something that would I would get addicted to,
Speaker 1: so I'll go take a look at it. Go take
Speaker 1: a look at it. I got Nick into it now,
Speaker 1: and I showed Amber, sign me up. I started doing
Speaker 1: I started doing the New York Times crossword every day
Speaker 1: during quarantine as a way to pass the time, and
Speaker 1: now it's like an essential part of my routine. I
Speaker 1: think I read that New York Times actually bought Word.
Speaker 1: I think somebody bought it, Like literally, they made this
Speaker 1: game and it's not a very high tech game at all,
Speaker 1: but I think it was New York Times went and
Speaker 1: bought it. And obviously the people that made it now
Speaker 1: just made a little loot off. They've got a whole
Speaker 1: puzzle department, so that makes sense. All right, let's let's
Speaker 1: take our first break one and take our an early
Speaker 1: break here when we finished. When we come back, we're
Speaker 1: going to dive in deep. We're talking salary cap today.
Speaker 1: Obviously the Cowboys have some significant things that they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to deal with this offseason and trying to figure
Speaker 1: out their salary cap. Which guys stay, which guys leave.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that when we come right back.
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Speaker 1: The Break Life and Nest WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start,
Speaker 1: we're talking salary cap today. Cowboys are in an interesting
Speaker 1: situation this year, and I want to preface this conversation
Speaker 1: just by saying, you always hear this time of year, Oh,
Speaker 1: this team's this much under the cap. This team's this
Speaker 1: much over the cap in a lot of instances, and
Speaker 1: I really haven't seen a lot of instances where this
Speaker 1: is not the case. If they're players at a team
Speaker 1: wants to keep on their team, they will find a
Speaker 1: way to keep them on their team. You can look
Speaker 1: at the team that's in the Super Bowl right now
Speaker 1: at the Rams. Nobody knows how they keep adding all
Speaker 1: these high price free agents, but somehow they figure it out.
Speaker 1: And so I think there are there are games you
Speaker 1: can play with your cap to be able to get
Speaker 1: to where you want to be and have the players
Speaker 1: you want to have. But I do think for the
Speaker 1: let's sake of this conversation, we got to talk about
Speaker 1: the Cowboys right now being twenty million dollars over the cap,
Speaker 1: and within the next month or so they are going
Speaker 1: to have to find their way out of that and
Speaker 1: back to above or below the salary cap. That all
Speaker 1: being said, let's start first with what do the Cowboys
Speaker 1: need to do? What are some just initial low hanging
Speaker 1: fruit that the Cowboys can kind of do in order
Speaker 1: to get themselves in a better situation with their cap.
Speaker 1: I mean, restructuring Dack's deal is basically a given and
Speaker 1: would free up I think fifteen or to seventeen million dollars.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can do the vast majority of that
Speaker 1: simply by pushing his money, which is something that they
Speaker 1: were always going to do anyway, if you remember, there's
Speaker 1: there's an avoidable year added on to his deal that
Speaker 1: helps you absorb that. So I mean the minute that
Speaker 1: that deal was agreed upon, you could kind of bank
Speaker 1: on that probably happening. So at some point it's it's literally,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a button that they click and send
Speaker 1: it to Dak's agent. Like it's not it's not stuffy
Speaker 1: happen to negotiate. It's already been built into the deal.
Speaker 1: I would expect that will happen at some point in
Speaker 1: the next you know, five or six weeks. Nick. Are
Speaker 1: there any ramifications of that with regards to what that
Speaker 1: means in future money for Dak or how it affects
Speaker 1: the cap in the future. I don't think No, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean, you're, like Dave said,
Speaker 1: you're built in. This contract is with structured that way.
Speaker 1: That's why these these contracts take a lot longer than
Speaker 1: people think, because there's a lot of those variables in there.
Speaker 1: But no, I mean, they're expecting Dak to be the
Speaker 1: quarterback of this team for the next five years or
Speaker 1: so four or five years, and I don't think anything
Speaker 1: changes with that. So this is just part of the deal.
Speaker 1: You gotta remember, there's a lot of window dressing going
Speaker 1: on when these deals, and you know, what's important to Dak.
Speaker 1: I want forty million a year that kind of stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: in order to get that, you have to be creative,
Speaker 1: and how it's structured, and how it's structured is to
Speaker 1: hit these little trigger moments like that. But but you
Speaker 1: got to remember though, that this is get they can
Speaker 1: get under the cap. But Randy Gregory, Dalton Shoult Sarn curs, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not just about getting nobody under Nobody's nobody's counting anything.
Speaker 1: Those guys don't count anything for this cap. So they yeah,
Speaker 1: they can get there no longer. Yeah, they can get
Speaker 1: under their quick and then call it today and go
Speaker 1: go hunting in March, which they might do they've done
Speaker 1: in the past. You know. But I thought you meant
Speaker 1: hunting for big name free agents and I was like, no,
Speaker 1: they don't know that hunting literally hunting, all right. So
Speaker 1: so that being said, there have been two names that
Speaker 1: have been thrown around a lot in the media, I
Speaker 1: think over the last week because of the amount of
Speaker 1: money not only that they make, but the amount of
Speaker 1: money the Cowboys can save by releasing them. Amark Cooper
Speaker 1: get these numbers, he can be if they cut Mary Cooper,
Speaker 1: they could save sixteen million dollars against the cap. If
Speaker 1: it is a June first cut, they can save twenty
Speaker 1: one million, about five million more than than cutting him
Speaker 1: in normal. Basically, the idea is when you do a
Speaker 1: June one cut, you can and extrapolate the cut the
Speaker 1: hit to your cap over two years, which gives you
Speaker 1: a higher amount that you can that you can realize.
Speaker 1: And then DeMarcus Lawrence he has he would be it
Speaker 1: would be an eight million dollars savings if they were
Speaker 1: to cut him. This one is the most important part
Speaker 1: of that. But if it's a June one cut, they
Speaker 1: could save nineteen million dollars. So a significant amount of
Speaker 1: money for both these players that you can that you
Speaker 1: can save if you're willing to cut them. My question
Speaker 1: for you guys is of those two, which would you
Speaker 1: think is more likely to be cut if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: choose to go that route. I'm Mari. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a'm Maori Cooper. And the thing is how I see
Speaker 1: him more. I'm like, in my mind, I'm like, just
Speaker 1: do it. Save the money. But because and I like
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper and I see the value in him. I
Speaker 1: think he's a really good player and he can still
Speaker 1: contribute in this team and be do a lot for you.
Speaker 1: But the Cowboys weren't really even utilizing him the right way.
Speaker 1: And I know that might change with things with having
Speaker 1: a new wide receivers coach coming in and then different
Speaker 1: things that Kellen Moore might do with his offense and
Speaker 1: all that. But you weren't even using him as much
Speaker 1: as you could. And then at the same time you
Speaker 1: were though able to use other wide receivers. And I
Speaker 1: know Cedric Wilson, he's going to be a free agent,
Speaker 1: Noah Brown as well, right, everyone but CD and Semi
Speaker 1: Fajoko and Michael Gallup too. Yes, that is true. If
Speaker 1: you cut Amari Cooper, you have two receivers under contract
Speaker 1: and only one of them is actually really even played
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Which she's right, No, she's she's right.
Speaker 1: If you're not using him, how you should Well, no,
Speaker 1: if you're not right about that, you're right about if
Speaker 1: you if you're telling me to pick one of these guys,
Speaker 1: that's if you've been paying attention. They're sort of leaving
Speaker 1: you breadcrumbs as to why this might happen. They haven't
Speaker 1: touched his money, and that's the big thing they and
Speaker 1: they love to push these deals back. They restructure the
Speaker 1: offensive linemen all the time. They've restructured tank in the past,
Speaker 1: they've restructured Zeke, which that's like the guy that maybe
Speaker 1: you wouldn't want touch his money because it's the position
Speaker 1: that wears down the fastest. Amid all of this, they've
Speaker 1: never touched Amari's money because they know his guarantees are
Speaker 1: up after this season. They can free up a boatload
Speaker 1: of money by releasing him. Throw on the fact that
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones did not bother hiding his frustration with the
Speaker 1: vaccination stuff when he missed games because of COVID, and
Speaker 1: it's easy to see why that might happen. Do I
Speaker 1: think it's a good idea? Absolutely not. And all I
Speaker 1: can think about is why why do we want to
Speaker 1: do this again? Because my memory is still very fresh
Speaker 1: of them trying to sell me on Deonte Thompson and
Speaker 1: Alan Hearns, like, Ah, we just need a few good guys.
Speaker 1: We don't need any great guys. We're gonna com We're
Speaker 1: gonna committee this bad boy and Dack's just going to
Speaker 1: throw to the open one. Well, when you don't have
Speaker 1: good receivers, sometimes none of them get open and then
Speaker 1: you're so screwed that you trade away a first round
Speaker 1: pick in the middle of a season to fix it,
Speaker 1: and I just hope their memories aren't that short, because
Speaker 1: I think it would be a big mistake. Agree with that.
Speaker 1: He's your first round pick from twenty nineteen and you're
Speaker 1: gonna get rid of him after his third year. All
Speaker 1: you gotta do is look at the Chiefs game in
Speaker 1: the Raiders game when he didn't play. You can be
Speaker 1: pissed off for the reason, whether you want to or not,
Speaker 1: but that nobody could get open. The offense was terrible
Speaker 1: in those games. So they haven't shown that they can
Speaker 1: really be successful without Amari Cooper. And I'll say this,
Speaker 1: the greatest coach in the history of the NFL, Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick told you exactly what he thought of Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: because he made sure to get him out of the
Speaker 1: game when they played up there in New England. He
Speaker 1: was the one that he was worried about. So why
Speaker 1: do you want him off the team? If you have
Speaker 1: to do one, I'm cutting de Marcus. I'm sorry if
Speaker 1: you have to. I like de Marcus, but fourteen and
Speaker 1: a half sacks in the last three years. You what
Speaker 1: they're paying for is for him to get in the
Speaker 1: range of ten to fourteen sacks per year, not total
Speaker 1: for three years. He can do more in the run
Speaker 1: game and all that stuff, but that's not what they're
Speaker 1: paying for. You can find guys that can do that.
Speaker 1: So if I have to do one or the other,
Speaker 1: I'd have to cut tanks. Let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: what does that say about your belief in Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: that you'd be so hesitant to cut Amari Cooper. Do
Speaker 1: you not think he's ready to be a number one receiver. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it says nothing about my belief in Ceedee Lamb. I
Speaker 1: mean it's fair to say I don't. It's ironic because
Speaker 1: he made the Pro Bowl as an alternate. I don't
Speaker 1: think he lived up to the expectations that he set
Speaker 1: for himself with the dominant training camp that he had,
Speaker 1: Like we didn't make that up, and he did a
Speaker 1: lot of it against Treyvon Diggs, who led the league
Speaker 1: in interceptions. So I think he's capable of playing better.
Speaker 1: But again, I mean, Davantae Adams does it in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody thinks Dak is on Aaron Rodgers'
Speaker 1: level of like distributing the ball and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And so even if CD is a total boss, so
Speaker 1: do you want him doing it all himself? Like the
Speaker 1: two teams in the Super Bowl, you know, both the
Speaker 1: Bengals and the Rams, they have star receivers, I mean,
Speaker 1: Chase and Cup. But Robert Woods was was going to
Speaker 1: be a thousand yard receiver if if he might have
Speaker 1: already gotten there, he was really close. Odell comes in
Speaker 1: and then and then I don't even know their names,
Speaker 1: Boyd and Higgins, Boyd Higgins and Chase, but they but
Speaker 1: they got some good guys too, So those are Boyd
Speaker 1: is one of the more underrated slot receivers in the league.
Speaker 1: And Higgins was the first pick of the second round
Speaker 1: last year. I mean, he's a top tier talent. I
Speaker 1: hate him by the way. He ruined your fans. Yes,
Speaker 1: forty six points in like the semifinals. It always here's
Speaker 1: somebody say I hate a player. It's always it always
Speaker 1: goes back to yeah. But I'm just saying, like, like,
Speaker 1: I don't think it has anything to do with CD.
Speaker 1: I mean, because you need something great. You don't know
Speaker 1: what what's your great thing that you do on offense?
Speaker 1: It's not running the ball? Is I mean you need
Speaker 1: the two receivers. I mean, that'll make those guys even better. Okay,
Speaker 1: so good, Dave. I just I have no confidence there
Speaker 1: are offenses that can make that work again, like Davante
Speaker 1: Adams continues to produce despite a rotation of just guys.
Speaker 1: You don't see it very often, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't trust the offensive coordinator or the quarterback to
Speaker 1: quote unquote make it work with like one great receiver
Speaker 1: and then we'll see what we can figure out. I mean,
Speaker 1: you go back again. This is all so recent. Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup had a very successful rookie season as pick eighty one.
Speaker 1: He caught like thirty balls for five hundred yards. Like
Speaker 1: that is the realistic production that you're getting from that
Speaker 1: type of player early on. You're not You're not cutting
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper and plugging in another ready made thousand yard
Speaker 1: receiver unless you're willing to turn around and immediately invest
Speaker 1: that money in a free agent, which one they don't
Speaker 1: and two why not just keep the guy you already have. Well,
Speaker 1: what they do is they will invest that money in
Speaker 1: a guy that they're trying to keep that's already on
Speaker 1: their team. So let's let's talk about it. From that standpoint,
Speaker 1: I would guess I don't know this for sure, but
Speaker 1: I would guess they probably could resign Michael Gallop and
Speaker 1: probably Cedric Wilson for less money than what it would
Speaker 1: cost on their cap to keep Mary Cooper. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't don't think so. Not twenty two million. I
Speaker 1: think he counts twenty two million. I don't know they'll
Speaker 1: get both of those guys for twenty two I'm guessing.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing Gallup gets a good deal, not a great
Speaker 1: maybe maybe now. And I'm guessing Cedric Wilson gets what
Speaker 1: four million, three million, four million, something like that. Whatever.
Speaker 1: My point is, do you think that let's assume, for whatever,
Speaker 1: let's assume that you the Cowboys thought it was a
Speaker 1: better idea to resign Gallop and Cedric and they were
Speaker 1: actually gonna still save some money. Do you think with
Speaker 1: those street receivers, and I'm including CD and that, do
Speaker 1: you think that's enough? Because you did say that he
Speaker 1: doesn't say anything about CD, So it may not be
Speaker 1: a fact that CD isn't ready. It might just be
Speaker 1: a matter that you really think you need a Mari.
Speaker 1: But if you got those other two, how do you
Speaker 1: feel about that gallop towards a cl on Christmas? And
Speaker 1: I mean a CL's aren't the major thing that they
Speaker 1: used to be, but you're still probably anticipate him missing
Speaker 1: training camp and Cedric Wilson. For as wonderful as his
Speaker 1: overall season was, he and Noah Brown both were given
Speaker 1: a huge opportunity to step up when CD and A
Speaker 1: Mari were absent in that November stretch that Nick mentioned.
Speaker 1: Didn't do it first. That weighs heavily in my mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: first half of the Chiefs game, that's what you're looking at.
Speaker 1: I mean, you had CD, you didn't have a Mari,
Speaker 1: and you had Gallup was back. He was still kind
Speaker 1: of working himself in, but he's still gonna be working
Speaker 1: himself in for a while with this injury. And then
Speaker 1: he had Cedric Wilson. I like Cedric Wilson in the
Speaker 1: role that he is, but when you start to give
Speaker 1: him a bigger role, he hasn't really thrived with that.
Speaker 1: I'll just ask yo, what would you rather have c
Speaker 1: D and CD Amar and you draft one in the
Speaker 1: third round? Or would you rather have Gallop, Cedric Wilson
Speaker 1: and CD. It's not that simple. Though, because you got
Speaker 1: to think about it for the money, Like that's always
Speaker 1: a part of this, and that's certainly a part of
Speaker 1: this right now when you've talk about I thought we
Speaker 1: just said it was about that same Yes, but I'm saying,
Speaker 1: though you're thinking about it from a standpoint, I think
Speaker 1: you probably can get those other guys for a little
Speaker 1: less money. You're still going to save some money. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, you're not selling me on this team being
Speaker 1: better without Amari Cooper, So it really is, it really
Speaker 1: is for you guys. He's all about the fact that
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper just needs to be on this team because
Speaker 1: he makes you better. I agree that. I think Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper is a damn good player. His stats don't reflect it.
Speaker 1: He has a hand in that he didn't get vaccinated
Speaker 1: and it cost him a chance to produce. Like, who
Speaker 1: knows how much better his numbers look. If he plays
Speaker 1: against Vegas in Kansas City, maybe they win one of
Speaker 1: those games. I like their odds to beat Vegas with
Speaker 1: him on the field. Maybe. Um so that I mean,
Speaker 1: some of that is on him, for sure. I'm not
Speaker 1: like absolving him of blame, but I look at his
Speaker 1: numbers this year and I'm just like the OC and
Speaker 1: the quarterback didn't do good enough job of getting him
Speaker 1: the ball in my opinion, And that's where I go
Speaker 1: back to what I initially said. I'm like, Okay, if
Speaker 1: you're not utilizing him enough, And believe me, I see
Speaker 1: a huge value on Americ Amari Cooper, and I absolutely
Speaker 1: love him and I think he should stay, but when
Speaker 1: you're not necessarily using him the way that you should.
Speaker 1: And after seeing the Cowboys be able to connect with
Speaker 1: so many different wide receivers on their group, because I
Speaker 1: think we can all agree that last year, at various
Speaker 1: different times except the times that they were playing bad
Speaker 1: Dad was connecting with all kinds of receivers. So the
Speaker 1: connection was there. So it's a little different than what
Speaker 1: we saw a couple of years ago, where when Dez
Speaker 1: was here, when you still had Cole Beasley and all that.
Speaker 1: It's a little different now that I'm seeing Dak being
Speaker 1: able to have that, being capable of connecting with other
Speaker 1: different guys than your main one, it makes me believe
Speaker 1: or think that, Okay, maybe this is a time where
Speaker 1: we could save some money by cutting Amari Cooper. And
Speaker 1: I know the Cowboys don't really do this with free agency,
Speaker 1: But how are you fixing the old line? They have
Speaker 1: guys right now, but I just don't want to merely
Speaker 1: purely rely on the draft, Like I need a guy
Speaker 1: with good experience that can come here and be effective
Speaker 1: right off of the bat. Like I don't feel comfortable
Speaker 1: with counteror McGovern just being the guard. I do not
Speaker 1: feel confident about that. I don't feel confident about Tyren
Speaker 1: Smith being healthy all the way. I don't know what
Speaker 1: they're gonna do with that, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about him and maybe what he could
Speaker 1: do in savings that way. But I just I would
Speaker 1: like them to save some money somehow and utilize that
Speaker 1: money rather than a wide receiver, put it towards somebody
Speaker 1: that can be good on the old line and be
Speaker 1: effective right away. And I know that's easier said than done,
Speaker 1: but that's just kind of how I feel. I don't know.
Speaker 1: At some point, I just maybe this is just the
Speaker 1: parent in me. But just like if you bought a
Speaker 1: car for your teenager, drive the damn car and quit
Speaker 1: ubering all over around because I just bought you a car,
Speaker 1: They're like, well, if you don't you know, it's like,
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna I bought a car, might as
Speaker 1: well just take it away because I bought it, you're
Speaker 1: not using it. No, use the damn thing. So go
Speaker 1: into Kellen Moore's office and say, throw the ball to
Speaker 1: my Marie Cooper. Quit messing around this. This doesn't work right,
Speaker 1: you know, Like, yeah, it's just like, now, if you're
Speaker 1: not gonna use him as well, just cut him. No
Speaker 1: damn it. I traded the first round. Use him, right,
Speaker 1: I'm That's what I was thinking. How does that play though,
Speaker 1: because because that's one of the things that Jerry gets
Speaker 1: blamed for all the time, and whether I don't think
Speaker 1: it's necessarily true, but he gets blamed for. He's he's
Speaker 1: in there telling the coaches what they gotta do with
Speaker 1: this player and that player. Like is that is that
Speaker 1: something that you really want him doing? Is saying I
Speaker 1: want you to throw the ball to Mary Cooper, just
Speaker 1: the blanket statement. Figure it out. I want him with
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands. It doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: a Marie Cooper. That's the beauty of it. They it
Speaker 1: pervades the entire offense. They didn't focus enough on getting
Speaker 1: the ball to CD at times he disappeared in the
Speaker 1: playoff for Tony Pollard might as well not even exist.
Speaker 1: It could be Jerry, it could be Stephen, it could
Speaker 1: be hopefully Mike, somebody. Hey, that would be a good
Speaker 1: idea to put the ball into the hands of our playmakers,
Speaker 1: make a concerted effort to do it. Please and thank
Speaker 1: you somebody. I don't care who says it. I don't
Speaker 1: care who says it. Yeah, just like you do you
Speaker 1: want this guy on the team or not, like you
Speaker 1: don't like Amari, No, no, we love then play him.
Speaker 1: Thank you, have a good day. That's it. That's simple,
Speaker 1: I think. So in this case, it is if you
Speaker 1: want the guy on your team, then use him. Quit
Speaker 1: this because they do this this committee thing where they're like,
Speaker 1: whoever's open, you know, we throw it to whoever and
Speaker 1: all that. Well, that doesn't that doesn't really work. What
Speaker 1: if they don't want him though, because and that that
Speaker 1: is something. There's that that situation, and then we know
Speaker 1: we've heard A'mori kind of express his own happiness and
Speaker 1: the fact that they weren't giving him the ball at
Speaker 1: certain times, and so I'm just wondering, like how he
Speaker 1: actually feels and what kind of like dynamic is started
Speaker 1: building up last year in their meetings and those rooms
Speaker 1: that we don't get to be in. If if that's
Speaker 1: the case, UM say it. It would be sure what
Speaker 1: I'm saying here. If if we're gonna cut the best
Speaker 1: receiver on the team because of what he believes is
Speaker 1: the right thing for his body, If we're gonna cut
Speaker 1: him based off what happened, if we're really gonna get
Speaker 1: technical about the about the vaccine, he only would have
Speaker 1: missed one game if he was vaccining, he still had
Speaker 1: it COVID, he's gonna miss one or the second one,
Speaker 1: the first one. That's also assuming that he didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he would have gotten it with the vaccine, because that's
Speaker 1: not assumption you can make. But go, okay, if we're
Speaker 1: gonna cut the guy because we really he pissed us off,
Speaker 1: then I don't know if that jives with the statement
Speaker 1: he made at training camp that I will do anything
Speaker 1: to win a Super Bowl because you're gonna cut your
Speaker 1: best wide receiver. And I don't know if that you're
Speaker 1: going to cut him because you were mad at him.
Speaker 1: See there's gotta be more than that. Well, but I
Speaker 1: think the more than that is he's not producing at
Speaker 1: the level of what you're paying him to produce. Now,
Speaker 1: that might not be his fault all the way, like
Speaker 1: your quarterback, your offensive coordinated they all got they got
Speaker 1: a part in that. But I mean, if you're looking
Speaker 1: at the numbers, you're like, man, we're paying a lot
Speaker 1: of money and he's not a Davante Adams. I don't
Speaker 1: think Amark Cooper has ever been considered among the top
Speaker 1: receivers in the league. But he's making that kind of money.
Speaker 1: So how do you make those two things level up?
Speaker 1: My dude caught ninety two balls for eleven hundred without
Speaker 1: DAK the year before. So is he a top five
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the NFL? No, he's he a top
Speaker 1: ten wide receiver in the NFL. He's in that range,
Speaker 1: and he's somewhere between ten and fourteen. And guests like,
Speaker 1: we're let's move past this whole thing of like, if
Speaker 1: you have the top salary, that means you have to
Speaker 1: be the Like, that's not how this works. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: right about that. All I'm saying is when the GM
Speaker 1: is sitting there and he's looking at his entire roster
Speaker 1: and he's looking at his salary cap. He's like, it's
Speaker 1: the same evaluation that Nick just made for DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm paying him money to be getting ten
Speaker 1: to fourteen sacks a year, not to get fourteen sacks
Speaker 1: over three years. So it's the same thing. It's the
Speaker 1: same calculation here. You're paying this guy to be a premier,
Speaker 1: best among the best in the league wide receiver. Are
Speaker 1: you getting that in production? And again, that might not
Speaker 1: all be his fault, but it certainly is a part
Speaker 1: of the calculation. Well, why would it not be his
Speaker 1: fault because of the offense and all that, because of
Speaker 1: the quarterback may not beginning the ball, the offense coordinator
Speaker 1: might not be behind. Compare that to d Lavin. What's
Speaker 1: the law not doing? What is he not getting the
Speaker 1: right scheme for him? A lot of this has been
Speaker 1: He's missed a lot. Yeah, he's missing. That's the part
Speaker 1: you gotta worry about. There is this with his age.
Speaker 1: Is he going to start all of a sudden playing
Speaker 1: sixteen games seventeen games a year? I don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: And also you just look at the season they won
Speaker 1: without him to turn smith on defense. Now, I mean, unfortunately, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's probably a fair thing to say.
Speaker 1: It's been there have been issues for him consistently throughout
Speaker 1: his career, and that the durability aspect of it for Tank,
Speaker 1: I get it. I still I can't like. All I
Speaker 1: can think about is the promise that this team showed
Speaker 1: and where they were and how disappointing the ending was.
Speaker 1: And like anybody that's you know, anybody that's listening to this,
Speaker 1: anybody that's coming back looking for hope and optimism that
Speaker 1: they could get over the hump next year, you're gonna
Speaker 1: sell me on that with Tank and Amari off this team,
Speaker 1: You're gonna sell me that this team will be substantially
Speaker 1: better than they were last year with those two guys
Speaker 1: not here. Like I'm looking at it, so you're gonna
Speaker 1: sell me. I'm looking at twenty twenty two draft prospects. Shoot,
Speaker 1: I saw a guy I loved and at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: Christian Watson out of North Dakota State, which is ironic
Speaker 1: because I don't think the Cowboys would ever draft an
Speaker 1: FCS guy that highly. But Michael Gallop miss in training camp,
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb and this and a rookie Christian Watson. That's
Speaker 1: gonna that's gonna be it, that's gonna be better than
Speaker 1: what you had. I just don't buy it. Same thing.
Speaker 1: There's some good edge rushers in this class where the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are picking. It's ironic because Michael Parsons had thirteen sacks,
Speaker 1: but he's a little bit different, like he's not a
Speaker 1: pure end. Think of how long it took Tank to
Speaker 1: get to a point where he was capable of getting
Speaker 1: double digit sacks. I know we're criticizing him for not
Speaker 1: doing it. He got hurt and had one as a rookie.
Speaker 1: I think he had he had six or seven his
Speaker 1: second season, had one in twenty sixteen because he was
Speaker 1: playing like It took until twenty seventeen as a twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen pick to get to a point where he was
Speaker 1: like a problem. And so again, this team's better without them.
Speaker 1: I don't buy it at all. I'll only cut Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper if you can guarantee Trayln Burkes will be there
Speaker 1: for me. Hey, I'm in favor, honestly, there at twenty
Speaker 1: four he could be this first rounds weird. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was listening to some stuff about this. Yet is like
Speaker 1: every draft mock draft. You'll see this. This draft season
Speaker 1: will probably be vastly different because it's all about the
Speaker 1: flavor you like. Yeah, it's it's there are no clear
Speaker 1: cut Oh this is the best player, this is the
Speaker 1: best two, three, four players. It's all over the map,
Speaker 1: and it's about what you want. All I can all
Speaker 1: I know for sure right now is that there's like
Speaker 1: four really top tier offensive tackles and then the edge
Speaker 1: rusher for Michigan is going to be like a top
Speaker 1: five pick, but which there's two of them, but I'm
Speaker 1: talking about Hutchinson. Yeah, um, but yeah, everything else is
Speaker 1: up for debate and we talk. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: that on the Draft show tomorrow. Like if they do
Speaker 1: cut a Maury Cooper, I think wide receiver becomes your
Speaker 1: number one need, like on the entire team, honestly more
Speaker 1: important offensive line. Yes, yeah, because you still like you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's not great, but you still
Speaker 1: have guys that can you know, Connor McGovern started, Tyler Biades.
Speaker 1: You know you can play with what you have on
Speaker 1: the offensive line. Yeah, but what I would do with
Speaker 1: the Maury Cooper and I because I I don't think
Speaker 1: he's he I still think he's got four to five
Speaker 1: years good years to go. I'm whatever what it's his guarantee.
Speaker 1: He's gonna his salary is guarantee, which I think is
Speaker 1: like twenty million league year, twenty million, twenty one something
Speaker 1: like that. I'm giving him that in a signing bonus.
Speaker 1: And I dropped the instructor. I dropped a salary down
Speaker 1: to him one million. They could but give him twenty
Speaker 1: one instead of twenty one over seventeen you get it
Speaker 1: right now and marry Christmas, um and then he has
Speaker 1: it and then and then and then chop it up
Speaker 1: and then that I think if I did the math right,
Speaker 1: that moves him down. You save about ten million. If
Speaker 1: you did that, if you restruct him so basically only
Speaker 1: restructing him for an addition, like an additional year about
Speaker 1: three years, no, but three more years, you're you're giving
Speaker 1: him twenty million, which chopped up over the next three years.
Speaker 1: That proation will will cut his his his whole thing
Speaker 1: down from his hit from twenty to about ten. I
Speaker 1: love that idea. That's ten keep him and you get
Speaker 1: to save some money. He's good, he's good for another years.
Speaker 1: You're right about that. I don't think he's declining at all,
Speaker 1: I'm restructor him. And then I just did the You know,
Speaker 1: that's the funny thing though, is that's what they do
Speaker 1: to all their stars. They haven't they haven't never done
Speaker 1: it with and this will be Amara just finished his
Speaker 1: second year on this extension and they've never touched it.
Speaker 1: And which is why it's a big part of the
Speaker 1: reason why we're talking about that, because there's people over
Speaker 1: there too. And then I know this for a fact
Speaker 1: that they think because he's quiet, that he doesn't love football.
Speaker 1: There's there's the notion of that while he doesn't love football,
Speaker 1: and then they throw the vaccination part in there too.
Speaker 1: It's like you're not going to do everything for your
Speaker 1: team because you didn't get vaccinated, and then look what
Speaker 1: happened and all that stuff. So I guarantee that's part
Speaker 1: of it too. It's like a love for football, which
Speaker 1: you got to be very misleading because there are guys
Speaker 1: that are just quiet. Doesn't mean that he doesn't love
Speaker 1: the game. I can tell you this. When Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: wanted to steal his game winning touchdown in Minnesota away
Speaker 1: from him, he was like, no, you're funny, bron get
Speaker 1: out of here and that I'm scoring this touchdown. There's
Speaker 1: there's always gonna be there's always gonna be somebody in
Speaker 1: like football culture who like that rubs you the wrong way,
Speaker 1: like unless brought us comes to my like, you know,
Speaker 1: those type of guys drive broad Us crazy because he
Speaker 1: just doesn't understand it because he breathes football all the time.
Speaker 1: And so that's frustrating when you have some other interests
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you don't like look or even if you
Speaker 1: just even if you just don't express it the right
Speaker 1: way or you know, yeah, it's that's there's a weird
Speaker 1: cultural thing there just across the world of football. All Right,
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Speaker 1: at the Star. I'm realizing now we're not going to
Speaker 1: get through this entire cap conversation. You never probably make
Speaker 1: this a two part or you never learn pick it
Speaker 1: up next wenes State University. But for right now, let
Speaker 1: me say this. I hope that whoever is helping Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones and Jerry Jones and all that make this decisions
Speaker 1: get paid very well, because this gives me a headache.
Speaker 1: It is not easy, and it's not like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll figure this one guy, cut this guy, and then
Speaker 1: you cut that guy. But then there's a domino effect
Speaker 1: that there are so many other moving parts. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I hate this. You know, every these days, every team
Speaker 1: has a cap specialist, a guy that is really their
Speaker 1: only job is to understand how every move affects the cap.
Speaker 1: And so they're having to do what you were just
Speaker 1: talking about, figuring out all these different little machinations of
Speaker 1: we do this well, it means this and this and
Speaker 1: this and in this contract, there's just one little part
Speaker 1: in the contract that allows us to do this so
Speaker 1: we can say this money. It's just it's very convoluted
Speaker 1: and it requires people a lot smarter than me to
Speaker 1: do it. So hats off to those guys. Well, and
Speaker 1: then when when you talk about the post June and
Speaker 1: June first, I know that now you're even having to
Speaker 1: think about the future. It's not like, let's focus on
Speaker 1: this year old. Yeah. Well, now you gotta keep in
Speaker 1: mind and take into account what the cop is gonna
Speaker 1: look like for an experience following, and what Dax's number
Speaker 1: is gonna look like us if you know, if you
Speaker 1: touch his money and do all that, like his condrat
Speaker 1: goes up too. So, yeah, there's there's guys out there
Speaker 1: that are probably bigger targets than the two that you
Speaker 1: mentioned that might keep cutting, and I mean one of
Speaker 1: them could be Yeah, I'll throw out these guys. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about the offensive line, Tyren Smith. If they were
Speaker 1: to cut him, they would say five point four million,
Speaker 1: not a huge amount if it's a June one cut, though,
Speaker 1: it jumps to thirteen point five million. Here's the one
Speaker 1: that I think is the most interesting though, Lyle Collins.
Speaker 1: If they were to cut him right now, they would
Speaker 1: only save one point seven millions seven one point seven million. However,
Speaker 1: if it is a June first cut, they could save
Speaker 1: ten million dollars by cutting Lyle Collins. If you were
Speaker 1: looking at both those two players and cowboys are going
Speaker 1: to make a cut on the off bentive line, which
Speaker 1: would be more likely to be cut well, I would
Speaker 1: say maybe Lael, because I think that they feel like
Speaker 1: there's a there's a replacement there and Terrence Steel that's
Speaker 1: cheaper and played just as well. I think you could
Speaker 1: argue that case at least um And you know, if
Speaker 1: we're holding grudges, which apparently, uh we are, maybe we are,
Speaker 1: you know, then if that's the case, then I could
Speaker 1: see where Lyall it might have pissed off the front
Speaker 1: office a little bit there too over the last him
Speaker 1: pissing them off even a mar I'm just saying, if
Speaker 1: we're gonna if we're gonna play you know, grudge match game,
Speaker 1: then maybe it would be Lyle. I would hope. I mean,
Speaker 1: I agree with that. And that's Tyrone's contract is just
Speaker 1: so friendly. It is like even we all acknowledge the
Speaker 1: problems with his availability, it is what it is. But
Speaker 1: even knowing that, like he's not denting your cap enough
Speaker 1: that you're just like, we can't deal with this and
Speaker 1: for the caliber player, you get right, I'll deal with
Speaker 1: that headache. And yes, they need to worry about it,
Speaker 1: they need to consider tackles in the draft, all that
Speaker 1: good stuff, but it just doesn't seem efficient, like you're
Speaker 1: not getting enough out of getting rid of him, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, whereas Lyle I would, I would at least
Speaker 1: if if you're determined to move on, I would at
Speaker 1: least like to think maybe you could find a trade partner.
Speaker 1: Like his contract's not crazy big either, you know, like
Speaker 1: considering he's a pretty good player on a he's not
Speaker 1: like up at the top of the market the numbers
Speaker 1: only getting bigger. How does that work from the standpoint
Speaker 1: of what you say, though, if you if you trade
Speaker 1: him versus a June because it really got not even
Speaker 1: the cut for this year, it's it's the June first cut.
Speaker 1: What side are you on? I'm not on a site
Speaker 1: well over the cap in spo track usually both there's
Speaker 1: a it'll show you what you can save by the trade.
Speaker 1: I don't have it in front of me. It's in
Speaker 1: my experience, whatever you save in a trade is usually
Speaker 1: less than what you get in a cut, but you
Speaker 1: still typically save some money, or at least I think
Speaker 1: I am now at the point where I at least
Speaker 1: think that they should talk to him about playing guard.
Speaker 1: They should talk to him. Yeah, if that conversation was
Speaker 1: on the table, I would look at that too. No,
Speaker 1: but I do, and I don't know this, I really don't.
Speaker 1: I just you know, the player's got to go for it,
Speaker 1: and you can sit here and say, well, he's selfish
Speaker 1: if he doesn't want to. But I mean Orlando Brown
Speaker 1: just did that with Baltimore. They traded him because he's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to play right tackle. I want to
Speaker 1: play on the left side. If he sees himself as
Speaker 1: a tackle and that's where he's always wanted to play,
Speaker 1: and he only played guard because he was an undrafted
Speaker 1: rookie that didn't have a choice, and the money's at tackle.
Speaker 1: You can't force him to do it, and so maybe
Speaker 1: then you have to have a different conversation. But I
Speaker 1: would at least try to talk to him. Well, if
Speaker 1: Darre told me, hey do this video for the Spanish side,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to do it, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do it because like I have no choice, or
Speaker 1: I walked out of the door. That's so, But how
Speaker 1: many hours are you going to do it? That's what
Speaker 1: I was about to say. Yes, he could, he could
Speaker 1: be forced to play it, but is he going to
Speaker 1: be forced to come out here on May the third
Speaker 1: and really work and study and talk to Nate Newton
Speaker 1: and talk to Zach Martin and do the things you
Speaker 1: got to do to be a guard. You're just gonna
Speaker 1: be like, you know, they want me to do it,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna do it. The other like James Harden
Speaker 1: is playing in with the nets right now, is just
Speaker 1: kind of like I'll show up if you want me
Speaker 1: to show up and giving the best efforts. Hey, Zach
Speaker 1: Martin made it pretty clear he didn't want to play tackle,
Speaker 1: Like you don't. He don't you want to be team first.
Speaker 1: But you're also like, you know, I know in my place, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't want to suck at it. You don't want to,
Speaker 1: you know which, Then you look at him differently, You're like,
Speaker 1: that's not who I thought he was. Well, because he's
Speaker 1: not really a tackle. It's entirely plot. I mean Lyle's
Speaker 1: skill set at this point in his career spat. I mean,
Speaker 1: he had a major hip injury, hip surgery. Maybe he
Speaker 1: would be better on the inside, but he's got to
Speaker 1: be open to that. And the difference is I've thought
Speaker 1: about this a lot. Football players have a lot more
Speaker 1: leverage than we do. Like the Cowboys can say do
Speaker 1: this and I'm like, I guess I have to if
Speaker 1: I want to pay my rent. Whereas that's part. That's
Speaker 1: the big thing, like money buys you freedom, right, right,
Speaker 1: And the more money you have, the more you have
Speaker 1: the ability to say no, I ain't doing that, and
Speaker 1: else could and he's right, he could very much say
Speaker 1: f you cut me, then somebody else will pay me last,
Speaker 1: but still something to play tackle for them. Did y'all
Speaker 1: hear the story that Michael Evin told yesterday on I
Speaker 1: think it's Pat McAfee's show, talking about the NFL network. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good example of it. That basically the story went,
Speaker 1: the NFL network came to all the employees and we're
Speaker 1: basically like, hey, we're gonna do this voluntary salary cut
Speaker 1: because of COVID and all the stuff, and and we
Speaker 1: just want everybody to be a part of that. And
Speaker 1: we're so this is what we're gonna do. And they
Speaker 1: gave him a sheet of paper and they told him
Speaker 1: it said on that they were gonna cut his salary
Speaker 1: twenty five percent. That was his voluntary cut. And so
Speaker 1: he looked at it and he decided, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm no, I'm gonna scratch twenty five out and
Speaker 1: I'll put ten. I'm gonna contribute ten. So he gives
Speaker 1: it to him at the last minute and they're like, wait, well, Mike,
Speaker 1: wait we had we have you slided for twenty five.
Speaker 1: He's like, nah, nah, it's voluntary, right, it's voluntary. I'm
Speaker 1: willing to contribute ten million. I'm not percent. I'm willing
Speaker 1: to contribute my ten percent, but I'm not willing to
Speaker 1: contribute twenty five percent. And the host of the show
Speaker 1: that was talking about they were saying saying, They're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got fe money. He's got the kind of money
Speaker 1: where he can say, what are you gonna do if
Speaker 1: you fire me? So what, I got money in the bank.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about it. Those other guys in those
Speaker 1: cubicles in that office, they don't have that flexibility. They
Speaker 1: don't have that ability to be able to say no.
Speaker 1: So in this instance, Lyle has that ability. He's made
Speaker 1: enough money and there are probably other teams that would
Speaker 1: be willing to sign him if the Cowboys said Okay,
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna do it, then you're out, like
Speaker 1: somebody that they don't have a replacement for Michael if
Speaker 1: they don't have a guy sitting there that's like this
Speaker 1: guy when he's in the chairs just as good. But
Speaker 1: the Cowboys they do, then he's a lot cheap. Oh absolutely,
Speaker 1: And that's part of it too, that's and that's on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys calculation. The Cowboys calculation is, if he won't
Speaker 1: do it, we'll let him go and we'll just save
Speaker 1: some money and we'll put the other guy in there,
Speaker 1: and we think we'll be comparable at that position. The
Speaker 1: tricky party goes back to tying though, because you need
Speaker 1: three tackles because Terrence Steele played a lot of left
Speaker 1: tackle last year too, because you can't count on him,
Speaker 1: so you need three tackles. So you can cut lie
Speaker 1: if you want to, and you can say I got
Speaker 1: Terrence Steele, But then who's playing left tackle for the
Speaker 1: four and a half games that you missed because Tyron
Speaker 1: the guy you drafted twenty four? I mean, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: that's the only option at that point. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of picks there for twenty four? Do you only get
Speaker 1: to pick one? I just took a receiver earlier. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the draft, babe, That's what makes it fun. Cut
Speaker 1: cut tank, and then and then Randy doesn't sign, and
Speaker 1: then and then dan Quinn says, no, I want Michael
Speaker 1: to be playing this linebacker role or whatever. Then who's
Speaker 1: rushing the passer? Which ended Lawrence? Is he back? He's
Speaker 1: not under contract right the And to tie that back in,
Speaker 1: I think that's something that you might hear about a
Speaker 1: lot too, Like when you go to the combine, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they try to get somebody to agree to a
Speaker 1: pay cut. DeMarcus Lawrence could be a candidate for that.
Speaker 1: But what's that Zeke? Sure, maybe you got to have
Speaker 1: leverage to do well. Again, that goes back to my point.
Speaker 1: Those guys have a few money They're like, I ain't
Speaker 1: doing that. Cut me and then eight, you know, ten
Speaker 1: teams will want me on March seventeen. They can't cut, Zeke.
Speaker 1: They can't. They can't cut. That's the point. They don't
Speaker 1: have the leverage to to kind of push because you know,
Speaker 1: we've seen them down the past. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: the Hey, you know, I'm holding the gun and I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: you want to take the salary cut? Uh? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess so. Because I don't have enough leverage like
Speaker 1: you can. Basically, it's hurt me, and so yeah, it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: You know, from July until January, it's like we all
Speaker 1: got a row as one. We're all trying to complete
Speaker 1: our objective together, and then the minute the season's over,
Speaker 1: like the knives, who's trying to take my money, who's
Speaker 1: trying to cut me? What's going on? You know? So yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, um, actually, I think we're gonna gun. I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna go ahead and save the rest of
Speaker 1: these conversations. Next week. We do have to talk about
Speaker 1: the cornerback position, because I think that's another interesting position
Speaker 1: where you got a couple of guys you could consider
Speaker 1: making moves with. The question just became is Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 1: Freder to take that next step and jump into a
Speaker 1: starting role. We'll talk about that next week. So let's
Speaker 1: end the show though. On our super Bowl picks for
Speaker 1: this weekend. I gotta feel and I already know what
Speaker 1: Dave's gonna say, but we're gonna give everybody a chance
Speaker 1: to make their Super Bowl picks. Let's start with you, Dave.
Speaker 1: I mean, I picked against the Bengals when they played
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, and they proved me wrong, and I don't
Speaker 1: feel good about the Bengals offensive line holding up against
Speaker 1: Donald and Vaughan and Floyd, But I'm not. I won't
Speaker 1: bet against him again, not in not with it all
Speaker 1: on the line. I'm going Bengals Bengals Amber exactly for
Speaker 1: the reason that Dave said about the old line and
Speaker 1: how much he was attacked. I mean, poor guy, but
Speaker 1: he made it. He made it through and got to
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. I would like them to win, but
Speaker 1: I think that the Rams are probably the likeliest to
Speaker 1: win this game because of what they got, right, Nick,
Speaker 1: I really just like, I don't care like and I
Speaker 1: want to like, I want to get the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I I love the super Bowl, But I just I
Speaker 1: don't like. I don't won't. I mean, I guarantee you,
Speaker 1: whoever gets up fourteen points, I'm gonna be rooting for
Speaker 1: the other team to come back. That's what I'm rooting for,
Speaker 1: is I guess? And but who do you think? And
Speaker 1: I don't even say it, route like, who do you
Speaker 1: think when you put these two games? I don't get
Speaker 1: each other. I don't know. I mean the Bengals have
Speaker 1: been I mean playing it close. I mean they could
Speaker 1: have lost the first game, but they keep finding a
Speaker 1: way to win. I don't I don't know. I guess
Speaker 1: I'll pick I agree with Amber, I think the Rams
Speaker 1: will win, but I've missed almost every pick in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: including the Cowboy game, so I don't know. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pick the Rams. So it's good luck to either. I
Speaker 1: think the Rams are the better team on paper, but
Speaker 1: paper is undefeated and winless. Since he's got Joe Shicty.
Speaker 1: That's like that, I won't like you. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, we know how Nick feels about
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford, Like there's there's something in the back of
Speaker 1: my mind where I'm just like the stage like this.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You think he's gonna fall apart? It
Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me. Well, I just think I agree with
Speaker 1: I think what all you guys are saying is really
Speaker 1: the key to this game. Aaron Donald's a problem, and
Speaker 1: you put him up against that offensive line, I think
Speaker 1: that's even more of a problem. And I think Von
Speaker 1: Miller is that kind of player again. You want to
Speaker 1: talk about DeMarcus Ware, he is now DeMarcus Ware in Denver.
Speaker 1: He's a guy they brought in who is a guy
Speaker 1: that you give him one game, a super Bowl, by
Speaker 1: the way, to be able to show what he can do.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a significant problem for
Speaker 1: them as well. And I just don't see a scenario
Speaker 1: where Joe is going to have enough protection against that
Speaker 1: front to be able to be able to make up
Speaker 1: get a lot of points. The only way I think
Speaker 1: they win this game, honestly, is if it's a defensive
Speaker 1: struggle and it's just neither offense is really getting much done,
Speaker 1: which can go into your stafford thing, and then you
Speaker 1: kind of get to the end and Joe just gets
Speaker 1: some Joe magic and makes it hap throw up, throw
Speaker 1: a couple opportunities up, Matthew, throw up, throw up some
Speaker 1: dicey yeah, throw up some dicey balls. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just I can't bet against him, not
Speaker 1: not after what I've seen the last month or so.
Speaker 1: It's so the Saints. The Saints made this won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl when I was like in college, and that
Speaker 1: was amazing, and I I never I've never thought I
Speaker 1: would be emotionally invested in a Super Bowl until maybe
Speaker 1: I covered a Cowboys Super Bowl. So I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be exactly the same. But
Speaker 1: it's weird to think that I'm going to be very
Speaker 1: emotionally invested in a Super Bowl between the Bengals and Rams,
Speaker 1: like the most random super Bowl matchup ever. Well, I
Speaker 1: will say this, We'll be watching Cheetobo Woozier out there
Speaker 1: playing for the Bengals. I'll be rooting for him because
Speaker 1: I personally want him to get a championship since he's
Speaker 1: there in the super Bowl game. Uh So that all
Speaker 1: being said, Well, appreciate you guys. Jonnas not so much.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he was a good dude. We're pro cheeto. No,
Speaker 1: he's a good row cheet chet. Yeah, procheo if you
Speaker 1: If you want a rooting interesting there you got no, no, no,
Speaker 1: screw that. I'm sorry. We're gonna play that game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. One of my best friends that's ever
Speaker 1: worked for the Cowboys is Jod Camilla. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: root for Joe d he's with the Rams. There you go,
Speaker 1: you got a rooting interest in Rams. Yeah. All right,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you guys. Join us. We're back next week.
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