Speaker 1: What's up Happy Hour listeners. I'm your host, Becca Kufrin,
Speaker 1: and this week is looking a little different because Michelle
Speaker 1: unfortunately cannot be here. So I brought in the one
Speaker 1: and only reinforcer himself. We got Thomas here. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to Happy Hour. Hun. I thought I was gonna impersonate
Speaker 1: Michelle and try to like skate that one by everyone.
Speaker 1: Do you want to pretend? Hey everyone, it's Michelle Young here.
Speaker 1: Welcome another week of Bachelor Happy Hour. You know, I
Speaker 1: feel like you you couldn't fool anyone with this mustache
Speaker 1: that you have going on. Yeah, you're right, that was
Speaker 1: first and foremost. I polled us with a disrespect to
Speaker 1: that one. Michelle's no one can take her place. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad to be back. This would be fun. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: for those of you who may or may not remember
Speaker 1: the last time Thomas was on Happy Hour, well it
Speaker 1: was months ago now, but at that point he also
Speaker 1: had a mustache. He once again brought the mustache back,
Speaker 1: not just for Happy Hour, but four November. We've gotten
Speaker 1: a lot of people dming us and commenting on our
Speaker 1: photos on social about why he has the mustache. So
Speaker 1: that is the reason why and for those who aren't
Speaker 1: familiar with November, it's Men's Prostate Cancer Awareness month. Men's
Speaker 1: prostate cancer is one of the leading causes and then
Speaker 1: one of the leading actual forms of cancer that men have,
Speaker 1: So it's just for awareness men got to support. If
Speaker 1: I could grow mustache, I would in November. But we're
Speaker 1: not here to talk about facial hair, as exciting as
Speaker 1: it is. We obviously have to get into everything that
Speaker 1: happened in Paradise this week because we, of course we're there.
Speaker 1: We made a very quick appearance down there to kick
Speaker 1: off these Sabie Hawkins nineties themed dance, which we'll get
Speaker 1: into because that was so much fun. But Tommy, before that,
Speaker 1: let's just chat with people. A lot of you wrote
Speaker 1: in some different questions that we'll get around to answering later.
Speaker 1: But we've had some big life changes since the last
Speaker 1: time you were on. Obviously we were in the house
Speaker 1: and it is complete demolition in there, still going through
Speaker 1: this renovation. But if anyone missed it, Thomas recently proposed
Speaker 1: to me, even though we were already engaged. He popped
Speaker 1: the question real first full circle moment there. Yeah, so, now,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is so funny think about it.
Speaker 1: So now I've been engaged, does it count as four
Speaker 1: times now since I proposed to you? All I know
Speaker 1: is I made a joke to Becca the other day
Speaker 1: that she's one ring away from becoming Thanos and she
Speaker 1: still doesn't understand the reference. I've never seen Marvel, so
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I thought it was like the
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Holmes Blood Company or whatever. But whatever it is,
Speaker 1: all I know is it feels good, and I'm glad
Speaker 1: we got to celebrate that. And I'm glad I was
Speaker 1: able to put a ring on it. Yes, exactly, So
Speaker 1: what are you gonna say? I put a ring on it?
Speaker 1: I put a ring? He did, yes, So obviously on
Speaker 1: the show you saw us explain to my proposal to Thomas.
Speaker 1: But he did something really, really wonderful too when he
Speaker 1: proposed to me. It was so cute. I kind of
Speaker 1: saw it coming. I'm not gonna lie. I wasn't a
Speaker 1: one hundred percent surprised. But what really got me. What
Speaker 1: was super special this time around, is he actually had
Speaker 1: the ring for a while. I don't even know how
Speaker 1: long you can tell everyone for how long you had it.
Speaker 1: I learned for about three months before I did it,
Speaker 1: and it's one of those things. I would have done
Speaker 1: it a lot sooner if you didn't want it so bad.
Speaker 1: Oh shut up. You made you put that in your
Speaker 1: mind that I wanted doing so bad. But it was
Speaker 1: actually really cute because he took a ton of photos
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, behind literally behind my back when I
Speaker 1: was taking naps or cooking or just preoccupied, and put
Speaker 1: this whole photo compilation together of this ring. It's been everywhere.
Speaker 1: He took it to Minnesota, it's been to different towns.
Speaker 1: When she says preoccupied, that might be a little bit
Speaker 1: of a generous statement, it's more so when she just
Speaker 1: had no idea that I possibly would have a ring
Speaker 1: on me. I mean we were in very public situations
Speaker 1: like standing on baseball fields and at restaurants. He just
Speaker 1: had no idea, And it was it was a game
Speaker 1: to me almost at the end, and it was it
Speaker 1: was that's probably why you wanted to keep it and
Speaker 1: not put it on the finger, first little challenge to yourself.
Speaker 1: There was one point where I kept trying to see
Speaker 1: how far I could push that envelope, and I was
Speaker 1: convinced I was an end of proposing just on that
Speaker 1: one instance, you turn around and you catch me trying
Speaker 1: to take a funny picture. Well, I did almost see
Speaker 1: it once. There was one time where I was picking
Speaker 1: up the dog poop out of park and Thomas. Thomas
Speaker 1: was holding a cup of coffee and it was behind
Speaker 1: the cup of coffee on his thumb and I thought
Speaker 1: I saw something sparkling and I was like, what is that?
Speaker 1: But it was like seven in the morning. Again, I
Speaker 1: was picking up dog poop. I was like, he's not
Speaker 1: going to her pose over dog poop. Actually you probably would.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised. But that was the only time.
Speaker 1: I mean I did see it not knowing what it was.
Speaker 1: It was a funny picture. Yeah, I had to go
Speaker 1: for it. Really added to that compilation. Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, so we like, like you just said, we've
Speaker 1: come full circle. So it's been really special. Um. Fun
Speaker 1: to finally share it with the world and be able
Speaker 1: to wear this baby on my finger. It was getting
Speaker 1: a little lonely. Um. So that's that's our life right now.
Speaker 1: Things are good, um and excitingly, she hasn't hit me
Speaker 1: with that ring yet, seeing that the house isn't done yet. Well,
Speaker 1: I did actually punch you in the face when we
Speaker 1: were sleeping. You said that was an accident. It was
Speaker 1: wink wink, No, it was um. But this is a
Speaker 1: great time. I think, let's just get into paradise because
Speaker 1: that's where we met, that's where we fall in love.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't be engaged today without those beaches of paradise.
Speaker 1: So um, a lot went down and we saw the
Speaker 1: aftermath of Rodney leaving. Um, let's let me just ask
Speaker 1: you what we're like some top moments that stuck out
Speaker 1: to you besides our moments like when we were down
Speaker 1: there of this week, I would say my biggest takeaway
Speaker 1: immediately was the strength of Brandon's words of affirmation towards Serene.
Speaker 1: He has an ability to turn any scenario into a
Speaker 1: way to just profess his love to her, and it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Like it's to the point when everyone's beaten up rod
Speaker 1: and he's gone, everyone's just hurting. He just looks her
Speaker 1: in the face, just like, this is why I'm so
Speaker 1: blessed to have you. This is why I love you
Speaker 1: so much, is why it's so special to me. I'm
Speaker 1: picturing they're sitting there having breakfast and he gets an
Speaker 1: omelet or something and it's like these ingredients in here
Speaker 1: they just mixed together perfectly. This is amazing. It reminds
Speaker 1: me of us. I'm so lucky to have you. You
Speaker 1: know who you know who? Brandon runds me of who you.
Speaker 1: I'll take that man is ready to get engaged. That
Speaker 1: man is ready to find love, to live love, and
Speaker 1: he deserves it. No, but he really, truly, like ever
Speaker 1: since him, not even on a chelseason between him at
Speaker 1: the beginning of Paradise, he actually did remind me of you,
Speaker 1: and I agree. I think that they obviously they're the
Speaker 1: strongest couple on that beach right now. I mean we
Speaker 1: saw firsthand, but I think that in that moment that
Speaker 1: was like the first time we saw Brandon really break down.
Speaker 1: Obviously he was in tears for Rodney leaving, but the
Speaker 1: fact that Serene was there to comfort him and they
Speaker 1: just had this moment where they were like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be with everyone else who want to be away,
Speaker 1: and just like lean on each other. I think that
Speaker 1: helped their relationship because they haven't really I mean, they
Speaker 1: haven't themselves really been tested, but I think it was
Speaker 1: a good strengthening moment for them. Let me ask you
Speaker 1: a question on that. You said they haven't been tested yet,
Speaker 1: But to me, it's almost like they haven't even had
Speaker 1: a reason to be tested yet because they're just so
Speaker 1: set forth on loving each other. Would you say that's
Speaker 1: almost a test in itself, that nothing coming to that
Speaker 1: beach can deter them. Well, I think, I mean, when
Speaker 1: you're living on that beach, there's not really tests unless
Speaker 1: they're like dramatic show planted tests, right, like they'll be
Speaker 1: tested in the real world. I'm sure if they're sold
Speaker 1: together in this moment in time, like they're probably being
Speaker 1: tested outside of the show. But they haven't. I mean
Speaker 1: they they it's not like they've had to go through
Speaker 1: seeing each other go on dates with other people, like
Speaker 1: since day one, since like our one, they were so
Speaker 1: into each other and like adamant for one another that
Speaker 1: they haven't like had to they haven't had other forces
Speaker 1: come in to test them. Does that make sense? And
Speaker 1: that's why like Rodley leaving, it wasn't even drama for
Speaker 1: them and their relationship, but it was just a hard
Speaker 1: moment that Brandon had to get through that Serene was
Speaker 1: there for. That makes back. Maybe we're not making any
Speaker 1: sense and their listeners are going to hear us be like,
Speaker 1: what the hell are they talking about? But yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a cute moment. I want to get into Logan
Speaker 1: and Kate's relationship because I know you have your thoughts
Speaker 1: on it and your opinions watching it. I heard, I
Speaker 1: heard the comments. We have talked at length about their
Speaker 1: relationship on this podcast a few times, and I feel
Speaker 1: like each week it just keeps kind of what's the word,
Speaker 1: like snowballing in a bad way. They just I don't
Speaker 1: think are ever going to be on the same page.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of things going on. It's their love
Speaker 1: languages are completely different. One of them is that Kate's
Speaker 1: love languages. She wants Logan to get a laptop, logging
Speaker 1: Indeed dot com and start applying for better jobs immediately.
Speaker 1: And two, it's just they don't see I had eye. No.
Speaker 1: I think they're just I think they just want different
Speaker 1: things in life. They're at different places. But I don't
Speaker 1: think the way that they communicate about those things is ever.
Speaker 1: It never makes sense. They're never on the same page,
Speaker 1: and I quite honestly feel like Logan is getting the
Speaker 1: short end of the stick on Paradise. I felt so
Speaker 1: bad for Logan in these two episodes on multiple fronts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of the conversations he has McKay, it just sort
Speaker 1: of pinned against the wall with nothing to do. And
Speaker 1: then two when Gabby and Rachel came down. I come
Speaker 1: from almost a biased perspective on this because I know
Speaker 1: if we were in a situation on that beach and
Speaker 1: the lead from my season came down, that would not
Speaker 1: be anywhere close to an accurate representation of who I am,
Speaker 1: right and that Logan was in that exact scenario. And
Speaker 1: although history sort of repeated himself from his season with
Speaker 1: Gabby and Rachel to his time switching between partners and Paradise,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't really like would you say he was
Speaker 1: switching between partners because he never really established anything substantial
Speaker 1: besides maybe with Shane, but Sena was also going on
Speaker 1: other dates with people. That's exactly my point because although
Speaker 1: it's not that substantial in Paradise, in that scenario with
Speaker 1: Kate and she's hearing those things from Gabby and Rachel,
Speaker 1: that almost has Kate even go further out. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely felt bad for Logan in that moment, especially
Speaker 1: when Rachel was talking about it because Rachel has one
Speaker 1: experience with him and that she can have her own
Speaker 1: takeaways from her season and what he did. And that's fine,
Speaker 1: But ultimately I feel like it was getting close to
Speaker 1: like really bashing Logan for something that didn't need to
Speaker 1: be that extreme like it made I think if I
Speaker 1: was Kate, I would have been like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: like Logan's now seems like this terrible guy. I don't
Speaker 1: know what who to believe or what to think, which
Speaker 1: in reality, like wasn't even that big of a deal.
Speaker 1: I don't think, so I just felt yeah, and then
Speaker 1: we saw like this small glimmer of hope for him
Speaker 1: when Lindsay came down and I thought he was going
Speaker 1: to say yes to going on that date with her.
Speaker 1: In Partnery was like, do it, bro, just go on
Speaker 1: that date just like see because you could tell that
Speaker 1: they were both intrigued and interested. But I think only
Speaker 1: out of respect for Kate and not having not wanting
Speaker 1: to potentially deal with the exactly yes your words. But
Speaker 1: I think that's that the reason why he said no
Speaker 1: to Lindsay. I think had Kate, had he not had
Speaker 1: a conversation with Kater, had she not just been like, no,
Speaker 1: don't do this. I think he would have explored it absolutely,
Speaker 1: because when Mary came in and she asked him directly
Speaker 1: about that, he said, no, well, I think it's too
Speaker 1: late in the game to consider these dates. Yeah, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Lindsay goes, oh, what's up? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they were both interested. I you know, at
Speaker 1: this point in time, I don't know what happens to
Speaker 1: Logan and Kate after this, like we'll find it at
Speaker 1: three Union. But I wonder if now there's a world
Speaker 1: where Lindsay and Logan could work out potentially, if that
Speaker 1: hasn't happened yet, you know, maybe you guys need to
Speaker 1: slip into each other's ms. We'll see what keep us posted,
Speaker 1: because I would be interested in this. I would I
Speaker 1: would like to see where that could maybe go this
Speaker 1: episode um us going down there obviously, which actually is
Speaker 1: a good segue to get into just Senia and and
Speaker 1: Andrew and NC. But there was one thing I wanted
Speaker 1: to say overall before we get into that and our
Speaker 1: time down there is this show, and maybe it's just
Speaker 1: been more apparent in these Maybe it's been more apparent
Speaker 1: in this season because I feel like there's several toxic relationships,
Speaker 1: but I feel like, what who's displaying any sort of
Speaker 1: toxic relationship? Okay, obviously elephant in the room, Genevieve and
Speaker 1: Aaron also caton logan. I feel like every time we
Speaker 1: see Aaron and Jen have a conversation and it doesn't
Speaker 1: go as planned and it turns into a fight and
Speaker 1: she packs her bags and she leaves and she's ready
Speaker 1: to get in the car down the jungle, like they
Speaker 1: have this moment where like he seeks her out. They
Speaker 1: talk about it, which they really they never really get anywhere.
Speaker 1: They like put a bandit on it for five minutes
Speaker 1: make out. Yeah, I agree that we both can agree
Speaker 1: watching their relationship unfold is both itchy and painful. It's
Speaker 1: painfully itchy, painfully itchy. So let's jump back and sort
Speaker 1: of look at what's going on with another couple. Like
Speaker 1: you were saying, Andrew NC, what's going on there? Well,
Speaker 1: I thought after just sending Andrew's conversation at the end
Speaker 1: of episode one, after he went on the date with NC,
Speaker 1: I thought that was like I thought the book was closed,
Speaker 1: the chapter was over. It seemed to me that Gesenia understood,
Speaker 1: now you know Andrew might not be into her, he's
Speaker 1: seeking someone else. Like, Okay, we have the closure we need.
Speaker 1: That's why. Then the next episode, especially like when we
Speaker 1: were down there, I was surprised that it was still
Speaker 1: an ongoing issue between them. I was shocked because when
Speaker 1: we got down there, I didn't even know Andrew had
Speaker 1: any sort of history. It seemed like he was with
Speaker 1: NC and that was going on when we initially walked
Speaker 1: down Yeah, yes, yeah, let's get into that too. Okay.
Speaker 1: So when Thomas and I were first asked to go
Speaker 1: on to Paradise, honestly, we had no idea what we
Speaker 1: were going to do until we were in Mexico. We
Speaker 1: were just like, hell, yeah, get us back down on
Speaker 1: that beach. We want to like make new good memories
Speaker 1: there where we you know, we met there, but we
Speaker 1: didn't leave there together last year. So we were all four.
Speaker 1: We were so excited just to get back to the
Speaker 1: place where we met and equally as sweaty as we
Speaker 1: were the first time. So sweaty, but it was so fun.
Speaker 1: We had a blast. It was really cute to see
Speaker 1: Thomas too, like take everything in now, like from this
Speaker 1: point of view where it was, it was so much
Speaker 1: more relaxing. We knew like once we got there that
Speaker 1: we're gonna be kicking off the day. But we were like,
Speaker 1: we don't have to be part of the drama. We
Speaker 1: don't have you know, we don't have to like figure
Speaker 1: out our relationship. We know where we are. It was
Speaker 1: just way more relaxing. We were like, we're not part
Speaker 1: of these stories, Like we can just kind of have
Speaker 1: fun and give advice and mess around and get the
Speaker 1: tea whatever. But it was so special to be back.
Speaker 1: We definitely had some highlights. We ate way too many
Speaker 1: chicken nuggets and French fries still, that is. That was
Speaker 1: the one thing where like if we're coming to Mexico,
Speaker 1: can we please have the resort make us chicken nuggets?
Speaker 1: Because that is what everyone used to eat every night
Speaker 1: before roast ceremonies, well actually every day. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone wants to know what like the Paradise diet is,
Speaker 1: what do you do for a paradise pod nuggets, nuggets,
Speaker 1: french fries in a hot take? You ask for a
Speaker 1: side of honey and you get those in the That
Speaker 1: was that was not a mean thing. Um. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: we get there and we we were kind of I
Speaker 1: would say not hesitant, but like a little nervous walking
Speaker 1: in because we didn't know what we were walking into
Speaker 1: first of all, and we didn't know who was still
Speaker 1: going to be there. We didn't really know who would
Speaker 1: be dating who, and we walk in and of course
Speaker 1: everyone's like always on guard. I feel like when new
Speaker 1: people walk in, they're like, what girls are? Guys are
Speaker 1: coming in to like steal our people? And so I
Speaker 1: think once they saw us, so like, oh we're good,
Speaker 1: we're safe. Like these people are already basically married and
Speaker 1: like to go to bed at eight eight pm, So
Speaker 1: we're set um. But who was most who were you
Speaker 1: who most extended to see? Well, looking walking down those steps,
Speaker 1: I was hoping to see Rodney, so that one, that
Speaker 1: one really hurt. Yeah, shame was plugged Rodney for Bachelor.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's been wanting to say that for a while,
Speaker 1: so say it one more time, louder into the mic.
Speaker 1: Rodney for freaking Bachelor. That man deserves the world. He does,
Speaker 1: he really does. Yeah, we were bummed he wasn't there.
Speaker 1: And then secondly, I was I was looking forward to
Speaker 1: see see all my guys. I mean Andrew, he's always
Speaker 1: delight to see Michael. Michael literally jumped into my arms
Speaker 1: and he baby koaled me, and it just felt right.
Speaker 1: I was excited to see Aaron. I know, Aaron to
Speaker 1: me is one of the funniest people who I've I've
Speaker 1: been around on the show or just in life general.
Speaker 1: He's hysterical. I'm gonna ahead and say it, Aaron is
Speaker 1: nectar it personality wise. Would I want my daughter to
Speaker 1: day Aaron. Absolutely not. Oh, I would put a chastity
Speaker 1: belt on him. Yeah, but what I get Absolutely No,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put a chassis belt on him. But
Speaker 1: I was excited to see everybody. It was a little
Speaker 1: disappointing to see a lot of the people I cared
Speaker 1: about in some pretty tough situations. Yeah, yeah, we I
Speaker 1: mean I was. I was hoping to see Rodney. I
Speaker 1: still wanted to see Justin two. Those were some guys
Speaker 1: on tour with me that I got super close with,
Speaker 1: so I was bummed that they weren't there, And it
Speaker 1: was interesting. It was actually some of the couples I
Speaker 1: would say we expected, Like definitely Brandon and Serene. I
Speaker 1: just like had a feeling going in that they would
Speaker 1: have hit it off, and I wasn't surprised to see that,
Speaker 1: but almost all the other couples I was shocked by
Speaker 1: who shocked you the most when I walked down those
Speaker 1: steps all of them? Johnny and Victoria Fuller I think
Speaker 1: was the biggest shock. Yes, that one was interesting, definitely.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of who else and that was
Speaker 1: the thing because I feel like, okay, let me think
Speaker 1: of who else was coupled up. So Michael and Danielle.
Speaker 1: I was not shocked by that. That one made sense
Speaker 1: to me. That makes a lot of sense. They are
Speaker 1: cute together. And one of my favorite things Daniel's actually
Speaker 1: said that made me verbally say all that was not
Speaker 1: a willing thing. It just came out of my body.
Speaker 1: But when Danielle was saying that she wants to be
Speaker 1: there both for Michael, oh yeah and James, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: my freaking heart, are you kidding me? That was amazing.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad to see they're going well. We had
Speaker 1: Chaney and Joey. Chaney and Joey yep. I didn't expect
Speaker 1: that one. I didn't even I had no idea who
Speaker 1: the twins. I like kind of well, when we went
Speaker 1: down there, we didn't know who the twins were because
Speaker 1: Michelle and Gapper whoa Gabby and Rachel's season hadn't aired yet,
Speaker 1: so we were shocked by them. Brinie and Tyler. Brinie
Speaker 1: and Tyler seemed good together, which they were really cute
Speaker 1: together and seeing Andrew, so that was the thing, like
Speaker 1: when we saw them, they seemed great together. They were
Speaker 1: holding hands as they were walking away, So to Thomas
Speaker 1: and I right away were like, oh, they've it seemed
Speaker 1: like they had been together for a while, a lot
Speaker 1: longer than the two days that we'd later found out. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we and like from what we gathered just from
Speaker 1: talking with everyone, the whole Dyssenia Andrew relationship didn't really
Speaker 1: seem like a relationship. It didn't seem strong. It just
Speaker 1: kind of seemed like, you know, they had given each
Speaker 1: other their roses, but it was very noncommittal, not serious,
Speaker 1: and so we thought him and ency were fast forward
Speaker 1: to the end of the night though we had some
Speaker 1: conversations separately and I could tell, we both could tell.
Speaker 1: I think Andrew was not over Teddy, absolutely, like he
Speaker 1: was still bringing up Teddy even though Teddy wasn't there
Speaker 1: and had left three what three or four weeks earlier
Speaker 1: prior to that, and I was like, why are you
Speaker 1: still talking about Teddy if she's been gone this long.
Speaker 1: So it makes sense in hindsight of like why he
Speaker 1: finally removed himself and went home because he needed that
Speaker 1: closure from her. Absolutely, And it's in his body language.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at when he's talking to the girls
Speaker 1: up until Ncy. He's not even making eye contact. He's
Speaker 1: sort of laying in the middle of dog piles of
Speaker 1: other couples, and he's somewhat isolated. He wasn't living smiley
Speaker 1: face on the Big Toe, Andrew. He was sad faced
Speaker 1: on the Big Toe. Andrew. Okay, let me ask you
Speaker 1: this then, because we both know Andrew, and let me
Speaker 1: just preface this to all of our listeners who don't
Speaker 1: know Andrew. He was on tour with me for the
Speaker 1: first week, but he was actually there with me longer
Speaker 1: because we had rehearsals because he was our first boucher.
Speaker 1: When I was on tour with him, and he was
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that he would be talking to everyone.
Speaker 1: He would be in the office with the crew, laughing
Speaker 1: and joking, and I would be like down the hall
Speaker 1: working and I would just hear Andrew laughing so hard,
Speaker 1: he was like, what's the word magnanimous? Like with everyone
Speaker 1: he just infectious, so charismatic, so fun loving, can kick
Speaker 1: it with anyone, just have a good time. So knowing
Speaker 1: that about him, do you think if I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: the premise of paradise is to find a partner, hopefully
Speaker 1: fall in love, hopefully get engaged or break up and
Speaker 1: then get engaged later on. You know who's to say,
Speaker 1: But but do you think had he just been on
Speaker 1: that beach, like without the pressure of having to date anyone, like,
Speaker 1: without like having the pressure of like am I going
Speaker 1: to give my rose and get my rose from Jesenia?
Speaker 1: And that I felt like he could have lived on
Speaker 1: that beach and had the best time and had such
Speaker 1: a better experience if it was how do I want
Speaker 1: to say, like does that make sense? Like if it
Speaker 1: was more relaxing and like not like he felt forced
Speaker 1: to be with somebody I felt for Andrew. One of
Speaker 1: the things that really led to his name for clarity
Speaker 1: with Teddy as well was not only his own anticipation,
Speaker 1: but just the external anticipation around it. I mean, even
Speaker 1: in his conversation with NC, he mentioned, Oh, yeah, I
Speaker 1: kind of know who you are. And let's call a
Speaker 1: spade a spade. These contestants say they know who each
Speaker 1: other are. Yeah, they're looking at each other's instagrams and
Speaker 1: they have an idea. And not only that, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the world who have ideas for
Speaker 1: the people going on that beach. There was so much
Speaker 1: pressure leading into the start of the season for Teddy
Speaker 1: and Andrew to be a thing, both on Andrew himself
Speaker 1: and just the world around him. I feel like that's
Speaker 1: such a hard almost burden to walk into. It's hard
Speaker 1: enough to be on that beach. So are you saying
Speaker 1: because of that, because of social media? And I don't
Speaker 1: want to say researching people, but knowing about them beforehand,
Speaker 1: like that kind of set him up for failure. I
Speaker 1: would say the expectation that people can create on others
Speaker 1: through their perspective of what they were on a short
Speaker 1: sample on screen can really mess someone up if that
Speaker 1: person in reality doesn't match up to what they created
Speaker 1: in their minds. Yeah, and for Andrew, I think that's
Speaker 1: exactly what happened, and yeah, why things went so sideways
Speaker 1: and he needs that clarity so badly because it's it
Speaker 1: will rock your world down there. And Andrew's don't believe
Speaker 1: like like you said, he's magnanimous. He's just this big
Speaker 1: than life personality. To see him down like that, that
Speaker 1: really hurt him. Yeah, and again he just didn't have
Speaker 1: that closure because everyone we talked to him and he
Speaker 1: had brought up what happened between him and Teddy and
Speaker 1: how she just kind of left. Like he even said that,
Speaker 1: like when they were together, things were great, and it
Speaker 1: was like certain times when the cameras were around, like
Speaker 1: you know, when certain conversations like were being filmed, He's like,
Speaker 1: that was kind of weird, Like I could tell she
Speaker 1: was maybe a little bit more uncomfortable and not used
Speaker 1: to that and didn't necessarily like the cameras. But he's like,
Speaker 1: when they weren't around and it was just the two
Speaker 1: of them, he made it seem like the relationship was great.
Speaker 1: And I think he really was completely shocked that she
Speaker 1: just up and left and didn't really I mean, I
Speaker 1: know that they kind of had a conversation, but I
Speaker 1: don't think at that point she was like I'm leaving goodbye,
Speaker 1: Like she just kind of left him in the dust,
Speaker 1: and he was still reeling from that weeks later. Well,
Speaker 1: it just shows how difficult it is to actually put
Speaker 1: yourself out there and be vulnerable go down onto that beach.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of the guys who we know
Speaker 1: bigger than life off the cameras, it's hard. And I
Speaker 1: just want people to really realize that these people are
Speaker 1: opening their hearts out and they're doing it in a
Speaker 1: very very public way, and it is hard. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: we definitely know, like out of the guys that were
Speaker 1: closest to that, it was I think just what you said,
Speaker 1: it was harder than they expected. I think they went
Speaker 1: down and being like, it's going to be such a
Speaker 1: fun summer. We will be with our friends, we'll meet
Speaker 1: some beautiful, smart, fun women, we'll have drinks flowing, we'll
Speaker 1: get tam we'll go swimming, And it was so much
Speaker 1: more than that that I think it really rocked them. Well,
Speaker 1: that's one of the beauties about Paradise because you have
Speaker 1: you get rocked, well not necessarily that, but you have
Speaker 1: these core group of guys who had such an amazing
Speaker 1: experience on their seasons with bachelorettes, and then when they
Speaker 1: go to Paradise, it's it's a new it's an entirely
Speaker 1: new ball game. And yeah, people like me who I
Speaker 1: hated my experience on The Bachelorette. It was one of
Speaker 1: the worst six month windows I think I personally had
Speaker 1: to live through filming it, not knowing what's going on
Speaker 1: and having the way through those waters after the fact
Speaker 1: and when I got to Paradise and I told you this,
Speaker 1: when we're on that beach, I would have lived through
Speaker 1: that a million times over if it meant that I
Speaker 1: was able to live the life we are today. And
Speaker 1: that's why I think it's it's it's it's being down
Speaker 1: on that beach and just living in our dynamic and
Speaker 1: also vicariously through the people that we know close on
Speaker 1: that beach. It really just solidified things, just the way
Speaker 1: that I feel and how much I applaud everyone who
Speaker 1: opens themselves up down there because it is so hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's something that I always want are listeners
Speaker 1: and the viewers of the show to keep in mind.
Speaker 1: It's like you see again, we say this over and over.
Speaker 1: You see two hours, well in this case, four hours
Speaker 1: once a week of things that are being filmed twenty
Speaker 1: four to seven. It's it's so much more. No one
Speaker 1: unless you're there, will ever be able to understand. But
Speaker 1: it really, really really is as fun as it is too,
Speaker 1: and it's worthwhile as it can be. It's hard. It's
Speaker 1: the transition off the show back into the real world
Speaker 1: two is difficult. It's just it's a lot. So I'm
Speaker 1: feeling for a lot of these people right now. But
Speaker 1: let's get into the fun stuff. Because it wasn't all
Speaker 1: tears when we were there. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: laughs and dancing and nineties goodness to come from some
Speaker 1: of this week. We Thomas and I were there, we
Speaker 1: filmed all day. We filmed all day and we didn't
Speaker 1: even say for the whole thing. We left early. We
Speaker 1: fell asleep downstairs by Wells because it was just everything
Speaker 1: was just going on so much longer. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of it had to do with the conversation between
Speaker 1: Jenia and Andrew, and then Andrew and Ncy, so we
Speaker 1: just tapped out, We're like, mom and dad are too
Speaker 1: old for this. We cannot it has passed minute. I
Speaker 1: need to go to bed. But in context, that made
Speaker 1: Andrew saying dude and brow so much to ency and
Speaker 1: that breakup so much more relatable. He's like dude in
Speaker 1: an insert it's four am. Yeah, I gotta get out
Speaker 1: your dude, I can't do it. I'm broken, I'm tired.
Speaker 1: I need to go to bed. Oh right. At that point,
Speaker 1: he was like, these relationships are done. There's less than
Speaker 1: a week left of paradise. Let me get some sleep
Speaker 1: and just tap out early. I totally understand. He was
Speaker 1: emotionally physically everything just drained exhausted. Yeah, which is so
Speaker 1: sad because we spent a good check of the night
Speaker 1: with him and he was so upbeating. They were having
Speaker 1: a great time. Intel Jennia pulled him. It was such
Speaker 1: a good time. It's celebrating the music's great. People are
Speaker 1: having fun, there's different events. It was so fun to
Speaker 1: live the nineties nostalgia too, because we had just celebrated
Speaker 1: your thirtieth birthday, which was nineties themed, and oh the night.
Speaker 1: I swear it was the best decade. We could go
Speaker 1: on and on about our love for the nineties. I
Speaker 1: think half the people there didn't even live through half
Speaker 1: of the night. Unfortunate Michael went to his first Stadies
Speaker 1: Hawkins in nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, good for him. It
Speaker 1: was so fun and it was fun been with Wells too,
Speaker 1: like it was it was cool. We've we've obviously seen
Speaker 1: Wells like in his bartending role down there and like
Speaker 1: the guy that we could go to for advice and
Speaker 1: jokes and just to talk. But seeing him and there
Speaker 1: was a lot that got cut out. I think just
Speaker 1: either we were terrible at hosting or just through to timing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just chalk it up to the timing with
Speaker 1: all the drama, but like we actually kicked off the
Speaker 1: night and Wells is like such a pro at the
Speaker 1: one liners at the welcomes, Like it was cool to
Speaker 1: see him in that element too. That was something we
Speaker 1: hadn't necessarily really seen before. I guess yeah, Wells does
Speaker 1: a lot more than bartend. That is very apparent behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. He's a trooper. He stayed through the end.
Speaker 1: He did not have out early, So poor one out
Speaker 1: for Wells because he puts up with a lot. What
Speaker 1: were some of the highlights you saw during the nineties party? Like,
Speaker 1: what was the coolest thing to you? I think just
Speaker 1: for me personally, it was seeing how especially the girls,
Speaker 1: but the guys too, we're going to style themselves and
Speaker 1: accessorize because I like I wish everyone would have known
Speaker 1: that this was coming, because I feel like we could
Speaker 1: have gone all out. You know, it's like everyone kind
Speaker 1: of may do with what they had in the moment.
Speaker 1: But it was cool to kind of see old school
Speaker 1: styles come back. That's why I liked. And then just
Speaker 1: the music and like the phrases that we used back
Speaker 1: in the day. Dance moves, the dance moves, the dance off.
Speaker 1: The men killed that. I'm getting it to the men.
Speaker 1: I will say if we all saw that in real life.
Speaker 1: The men crushed it. At a moment where Tyler jumped
Speaker 1: back and was cradle on everyone's arms and they threw him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: near Andy landed like a superhero. They crushed it. It
Speaker 1: was so good. Um, I liked the character. I really
Speaker 1: wish we would have gotten our character. How do you
Speaker 1: say caricatures? Caricature? Are drawings are big enough in real life?
Speaker 1: I don't I don't need that that hit to the
Speaker 1: You have nice ears, your ears are that big. Let's
Speaker 1: do a caricature and let's see what you say. You're
Speaker 1: gonna look at me differently forever. Okay, we'll get one done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we wanted to do one there. We just ran at
Speaker 1: the time. Um, you were able, though, to spend more
Speaker 1: time with the guys and just have your man chats
Speaker 1: if you will. Um, who did you that you didn't
Speaker 1: know that you met that night? Really surprised you that
Speaker 1: you liked well. I spent a lot of my time
Speaker 1: talking to the people that I knew. The majority of
Speaker 1: my conversations were with Michael, Andrew and Aaron, and I
Speaker 1: just wish we could have known that's what they were
Speaker 1: arguing about the day before, because when I'm talking to Aaron,
Speaker 1: first thing, I say, I'm like, bro, you're talking to
Speaker 1: girls this time around. I'm so proud of you. I'm
Speaker 1: happy for you. And then he tells me he's in love,
Speaker 1: and Michael's rolling his eyes and he's laughing. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, what's going on? Michael spiletts and he goes,
Speaker 1: he is in the most dysfunctional relationship I have ever
Speaker 1: seen in my life, and then everyone starts laughing. Aaron
Speaker 1: included that was the consensus of like what everyone was
Speaker 1: telling us, though we'd had no idea. Someone could tell
Speaker 1: you something and until you see it, Yeah, there is
Speaker 1: no grasping the depths of that non nectar. They Yeah,
Speaker 1: when we went down there. I will say we weren't
Speaker 1: shocked to see them together, obviously because of what happened
Speaker 1: at the tell all with when Shai called out Genevieve
Speaker 1: for like, what was it like cooking up with Aaron allegedly,
Speaker 1: But so we weren't shocked. I was like, of course
Speaker 1: they're gonna be together after that storyline, like that would
Speaker 1: be such a misopportunity. Of they weren't. So we weren't
Speaker 1: shocked by that. But they look they physically look good together.
Speaker 1: They have almost two similar personalities, and it's like what
Speaker 1: happens when you put dynamite in a bearable with some
Speaker 1: more dynamite, you get genn to be of an Aaron pain. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. But yeah, everyone that we had talked to
Speaker 1: their like their relationship. Man, we don't know if they're together,
Speaker 1: when they're not together, if they're happy, if they're not happy.
Speaker 1: It just I think we left being like, I don't
Speaker 1: think they're going to work out in the real world.
Speaker 1: It was not a thought. It was there is no
Speaker 1: way in heck that That also is a good transition
Speaker 1: to conversation from Michael and Danielle. It's more than just
Speaker 1: a relationship. With a significant other. It's bringing someone else
Speaker 1: in to be a potential mother figure to his son. Yes,
Speaker 1: and I was asking about that and he was. He
Speaker 1: was all in on Danielle. However, he's very reserved at
Speaker 1: the point where he's only said I love you to
Speaker 1: one person on this planet, and that is his wife Laura,
Speaker 1: up until that point. Then really we're talking said that
Speaker 1: before he said that he's only told one of the
Speaker 1: person he's loved them. That's what he told me when
Speaker 1: we're sitting there. Oh okay, Michael, in his life, to
Speaker 1: that point when we're having that conversation, he had only
Speaker 1: said I loved you to one other person on the planet.
Speaker 1: And the fact that when we're talking, he's saying, you
Speaker 1: can see a future outside of there with Dan Yelle
Speaker 1: and what that looks like like, that made me have
Speaker 1: sore cheeks just from smiling, because that's a that's a
Speaker 1: powerful thing. So that was the conversation with Michael, and
Speaker 1: I was elated to hear it. But he hadn't told
Speaker 1: Danielle he loved her. That's what I'm saying, the only
Speaker 1: person he has ever said he's loved. But then he
Speaker 1: was getting to that point with Danielle. He never used
Speaker 1: the word love, but he was saying he was getting
Speaker 1: to a point where getting close gotcha or just like
Speaker 1: on that trajectory potentially. Yeah, Okay, we'll have to see
Speaker 1: what because I don't know how that one ends. But
Speaker 1: that was just cool to see as far as conversations
Speaker 1: that we had there, Okay, gotcha. And then and he
Speaker 1: was just going through it. Yeah, we've been over us.
Speaker 1: Sad big toe, Andrew sad big toe. He was happy
Speaker 1: big toe the first couple of days on the beach
Speaker 1: and then sad big toes. He literally drew a happy
Speaker 1: face on his toe. He win literally one of the
Speaker 1: first days. The image of Andrew's foot is unfortunately just
Speaker 1: seared into my brain. Now I don't remember this at all.
Speaker 1: He drew a happy, a happy face on his toe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what did I miss? He had open exposed feet to
Speaker 1: the world to see. Wow. I think I didn't do
Speaker 1: that because your feet are nasty. I have one ugly foot. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, okay, let's get into um, let's get
Speaker 1: into our experience just together down there, because it was
Speaker 1: kind of like a walkthrough memory memory lane. We we
Speaker 1: obviously walked everywhere on that beach, we revisited some of
Speaker 1: our favorite places. We had, like one specific daybed where
Speaker 1: we would always have our little conversations or mini dates,
Speaker 1: and so we of course went to go laid there.
Speaker 1: We laid on the big bubba bed where we used
Speaker 1: to take naps with everyone. We got our favorite foods,
Speaker 1: our favorite drinks, We saw our favorite bartenders and chefs.
Speaker 1: What was like your highlights, your like favorite thing that
Speaker 1: you saw or that you really wanted to do when
Speaker 1: you were there. I just wanted to sit there and
Speaker 1: take it all in. And I had the chance to
Speaker 1: do that, and it was amazing. It was also nice
Speaker 1: sitting on the daybed and then walking away not crying
Speaker 1: like when we left Paradise. That was a pretty good feeling.
Speaker 1: And I hope a lot more people this season get
Speaker 1: to experience that. Though. Coming full circle and me dealing
Speaker 1: that with you, that was that was pretty cool. That
Speaker 1: was our test, Honey, look at us now. Oh oh,
Speaker 1: we have to share the butterfly story. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: we have to share the butterfly story. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let you tell it. But basically, Thomas is going to
Speaker 1: tell you his side of this story. And when we
Speaker 1: were there. The complete opposite now happened, and the fact
Speaker 1: that we were together to experience it as an engaged
Speaker 1: couple was It's like, there are very few moments in
Speaker 1: life where you get the chills and you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, like there's something greater at work here, and
Speaker 1: I think that was one of those moments for us.
Speaker 1: So you just tell the people what you experienced last
Speaker 1: year and this year. So this is the final day,
Speaker 1: heading into overnight last year, last year, Yeah, and we're separated.
Speaker 1: The men are in their areas, the women are in
Speaker 1: their quarters, and we're all just waiting to see what
Speaker 1: happens for me. In my heart, in my mind, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I want to leave this beach with Becca. I want
Speaker 1: to make sure she knows that. I know we're not
Speaker 1: ready for an engagement. I know it's going to take time,
Speaker 1: but I just want to be able to have that time.
Speaker 1: And in my head, in my heart, I know that's
Speaker 1: what's going to be. And while I'm sitting there just
Speaker 1: thinking about what I want to say to or I
Speaker 1: look up and I see a butterfly and just fly
Speaker 1: into the room and land on the wall directly across
Speaker 1: from me. And the reason why that's important is in
Speaker 1: Latin culture. But it is a black butterfly. I'm getting there,
Speaker 1: oh sorry. And Latin culture there is an omen of
Speaker 1: a black butterfly of death. And if this butterfly lands
Speaker 1: on a house or within like a loved one or
Speaker 1: something of that nature, oh you don't want that, but
Speaker 1: but but it represents imminent death is near. And for me,
Speaker 1: I'm already uncertain going into this conversation I'm about to
Speaker 1: have with Becca, and right when I see that black
Speaker 1: butterfly come in and just lands directly across from me,
Speaker 1: it completely just sunk into me and it completely just
Speaker 1: absorbed my bone. But I was just like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: this is not going to be good. She's going to
Speaker 1: break up with me. You said that, weren't you talking
Speaker 1: to Joe or Kenny at that point? And I looked, yes,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So this butterfly comes in, I have
Speaker 1: this revelation. I'm like, she's breaking up with me. I
Speaker 1: know what it is. The universe just told me. So
Speaker 1: I look over to Joe and going back to his experience,
Speaker 1: I said, hey, Joe, remember that time that you were
Speaker 1: down here and you and Kendall broke up. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what what what it's like? What did that look like
Speaker 1: when you guys got back together? What do you mean? Well,
Speaker 1: I think I'm about to get dumped and I want
Speaker 1: to do anything I can to make sure that this
Speaker 1: isn't goodbye. And then we went down. I got dumped
Speaker 1: And yeah, So going full circle a year later, what
Speaker 1: happens when we're leaving Paradise this time? So as we're
Speaker 1: leaving Paradise, that specific resort we'd spent the day there,
Speaker 1: talked to everyone, like, had our special moments alone on
Speaker 1: that beach, and we're about to get into our car
Speaker 1: to take us away, and this truly the big guess
Speaker 1: butterfly I've ever seen flew by, but it was a
Speaker 1: white butterfly this time. Were hand in hand about to
Speaker 1: leave and and we were already smiling, joking because we
Speaker 1: were like, we get to leave together this time, no
Speaker 1: more tears. And this butterfly just comes and flies right
Speaker 1: on over us. And I think we got a video
Speaker 1: of it, maybe if we did all share it on Instagram,
Speaker 1: But it was such a crazy cool moment, Like Thomas
Speaker 1: had obviously shared the butterfly, the black butterfly story to
Speaker 1: me months ago, like you know, when we first got
Speaker 1: back together after the big breakup. But yeah, like I said,
Speaker 1: just a moment that you truly feel like something bigger
Speaker 1: is at play in this universe and that it was
Speaker 1: just the sign we needed. And so I think that
Speaker 1: was that was probably like the most cool, my favorite
Speaker 1: memory of when when we were down there this time around.
Speaker 1: That was amazing. That was that was probably one of
Speaker 1: the moments where it just hits you in the chests.
Speaker 1: You're like, wow, yeah, this is this place is special. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. And I don't think too many people leave
Speaker 1: that beach, Like, regardless of how people's stories end, whether
Speaker 1: it's good or bad, I don't think very many people
Speaker 1: leave and like I want to come back, and you
Speaker 1: are one of those people that are, like, I would
Speaker 1: stay at this resort. I love it here. It's so
Speaker 1: magical and so yeah, to be able to go back
Speaker 1: and spend a few days there and a day with
Speaker 1: the cast was really exciting for us. So I don't
Speaker 1: need to do what Ashley and Jerry didn't, like stay
Speaker 1: a full week and stay in the boom boom room,
Speaker 1: Like that's not for me anymore. But one day was good. Well,
Speaker 1: when we have kids, there's a chance we're go begging
Speaker 1: to go down there for a week, like, guys, please
Speaker 1: somebody take our kids, let us go. Yeah, I could
Speaker 1: be speaking too soon. We might have kids in a
Speaker 1: couple of years and need to go in a stink
Speaker 1: up the boom boom room like they did. Done. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you this, So Thomas doesn't know too much
Speaker 1: about the spoilers. So who do you think will end
Speaker 1: up leaving together as a couple and who what relationships
Speaker 1: do you think might not make it. We'll say I
Speaker 1: think they should have let Brandon Serene get engaged like
Speaker 1: two weeks ago and just let them have fantasy suites
Speaker 1: for for the last month of paradise. They could have
Speaker 1: gotten to the boom boom room like they were. They
Speaker 1: should have just let That's one thing we learned. No
Speaker 1: one went to the boom boom room. And it's true.
Speaker 1: And when we were there on the beach, I feel
Speaker 1: like so many couples were going to the boom boom room. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it got Maybe maybe the springs were a little too
Speaker 1: used and they're like, oh, we don't want those two
Speaker 1: broken in Okay, So okay, So definitely Brandon Serene if
Speaker 1: if they shoot, Yeah, if they're not married, they'll probably
Speaker 1: get married the same time. We do you think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they might already be married. Who knows, I would man,
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a given. I will say I don't.
Speaker 1: I hope Michael and Danielle are together. I hope they're
Speaker 1: able to figure something out, just because I don't know
Speaker 1: much about Danielle. In fact, I don't know anything about Danielle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I know Michael's a type of person who who
Speaker 1: really deserves that level of happiness. And I know James
Speaker 1: he wants that for his family as well, which is
Speaker 1: an incredible things. He's like, he's a little kid and
Speaker 1: he's super aware. So I hope they work out. Um.
Speaker 1: I hope Andrew gets whatever clarity he needs. That was
Speaker 1: that was That was tough. I hope Rodney's bachelor. Yep,
Speaker 1: I agree. I'll second that we can do two seasons
Speaker 1: in one year. We've done it before, we could do
Speaker 1: it again. I don't see the twins leaving in a relationship.
Speaker 1: I can't. Yeah, definitely not. Um, we like Brittany and Tyler,
Speaker 1: I could see them leaving together. Definitely. Aaron and Genevieve
Speaker 1: will not last too much longer it will last either. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: those those two relationsheem very short lived in me definitely. Okay,
Speaker 1: what is any advice that you would give people who well, okay,
Speaker 1: how about this that you would give to couples who
Speaker 1: are now still together like going through this or about
Speaker 1: to be like public now their relationship will be all over.
Speaker 1: Who can finally like scream it from the rooftops. What
Speaker 1: advice would you give to them? This is advice that
Speaker 1: I hope isn't coming too late, and I'm speaking from
Speaker 1: our own experience. The best advice I could give to
Speaker 1: a couple leaving that beach isn't that time when you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to be out in the open and out
Speaker 1: in public and really putting yourself in that relationship out there,
Speaker 1: make sure you're doing everything you can to build that
Speaker 1: relationship on a pillar of stone and not stand. What
Speaker 1: I mean by that is when you're on that beach
Speaker 1: and you don't have a care in the world and
Speaker 1: life is not going to get better than that moment,
Speaker 1: it's really easy to not have those pivotal and important
Speaker 1: conversations about who we are, who do we want to be?
Speaker 1: Who do we want to be together? And when you
Speaker 1: have that alone time off the beach and real life
Speaker 1: creeps in, make sure you're taking every opportunity you can
Speaker 1: to spend that quality time and have those conversations and
Speaker 1: have the intentionality to start shaping that life that you
Speaker 1: both agree on. For us, we spent the first four
Speaker 1: months in secrecy, having small picnics and having super in
Speaker 1: depth intimate conversations and playing games and playing with the dogs,
Speaker 1: and really, when you look at our lives today, it's
Speaker 1: so similar to those original early moments we had when
Speaker 1: we left the beach. And to have that continuity off
Speaker 1: of the conversations, off of the actions, off of the ideals,
Speaker 1: that's what allowed us to be planning a marriage and yeah,
Speaker 1: planning for a future. I agree. We had the luxury
Speaker 1: and maybe and maybe it was like a little bit
Speaker 1: the fact that, like you were so mature and ready
Speaker 1: to find somebody and like really be a partner. And
Speaker 1: maybe I had some understanding of like because I had
Speaker 1: already gone through it a couple of times, of like
Speaker 1: how everything was going to feel when it was publicized,
Speaker 1: of like we really sat down and like were ourselves
Speaker 1: like this is who I am, this is what I want,
Speaker 1: this is what I'm hoping for. But like we didn't
Speaker 1: really have to like like lie about who we were
Speaker 1: because we at that point where like, if it doesn't
Speaker 1: work out, it doesn't work out, and no one's going
Speaker 1: to know. And if it does, it's going to be great.
Speaker 1: But to just stay true to who you are as
Speaker 1: an individual and what you want in a partnership, who
Speaker 1: you're looking for, what qualities like a ligne and so
Speaker 1: that I think is so so so important. One thing too,
Speaker 1: that actually we should just share with anyone, whether you
Speaker 1: are just starting to date somebody or you've been dating
Speaker 1: for a while. There is a game that I don't
Speaker 1: remember who recommended it to me, but it's called We're
Speaker 1: Not Really Strangers, and it is one of the best
Speaker 1: ways to get to know somebody. It's what was there,
Speaker 1: like three different categories and it's three different levels, Yeah,
Speaker 1: three different levels, and it's just really really intentional questions
Speaker 1: that help you get to know the person you're sitting
Speaker 1: across the table with. And it was so beneficial for us,
Speaker 1: and so we would just spend like a couple of nights.
Speaker 1: The interesting about that is we actually never got past
Speaker 1: the first level or finished even close to someone's a round. No,
Speaker 1: we got to like two, didn't we. We would do
Speaker 1: like three to four cards and then our conversation would
Speaker 1: naturally just take on its own phone. Yeah. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's such a great game. I highly highly recommended. This
Speaker 1: is not even like an AD. I call you out
Speaker 1: right here, name four questions from that because we pulled
Speaker 1: it out and it was a great concept. We never
Speaker 1: used it. I have one in my wallet. I saved
Speaker 1: one special one. Yeah, it's skilled. We're not really strangerous. Again,
Speaker 1: this is not an ad. This is I'm not doing
Speaker 1: a promotion with them unless they want to pay me
Speaker 1: in the future. But it was such a good game,
Speaker 1: so beneficial, highly highly highly recommend m so friendy couples
Speaker 1: in paradise who are together now and still in hiding,
Speaker 1: pick up that game, take it for a spin one
Speaker 1: or two nights and you will not be disappointed. But now, Tommy,
Speaker 1: it's the time because you are such a good supporter,
Speaker 1: and I know you listen to this podcast that we
Speaker 1: got to share the resources, so you know how this works.
Speaker 1: But to any listeners who are new to Happy We here,
Speaker 1: think it's so important for everyone to stay informed and
Speaker 1: just be called accountable. So we are sharing resources on
Speaker 1: this podcast and then also on our Instagram accounts that
Speaker 1: anyone can go to and find and pull up and
Speaker 1: either quickly listen to or watch or purchase as a book.
Speaker 1: So I will let you start this time, Tommy, Okay,
Speaker 1: take it away. The resource that I want to talk
Speaker 1: about today, it is a book. The book is called
Speaker 1: The Color of Law. The Color of Law is by
Speaker 1: Richard Rothstein and what it entails it's a deep dive
Speaker 1: through why geographic boundaries happen. What I mean by geographic
Speaker 1: boundaries is what Richard Roston goes into is why do
Speaker 1: we have predominantly black communities. Why do we have a
Speaker 1: disparity between school systems, Why do we have a disparity
Speaker 1: in potential job opportunity? Why is it so much harder
Speaker 1: for the African American community in minority communities to surpass
Speaker 1: the obstacles in their way from where they live and
Speaker 1: what their surroundings are. And what rich Rossi does is
Speaker 1: he goes into an actual empirical breakdown of different governing policies,
Speaker 1: different procedurals, and different just community I'm going to use
Speaker 1: the word mishaps that led to these minority driven just
Speaker 1: redlined areas, and to push that dialogue further, I'm actually
Speaker 1: going to give away four copies of the book anyone
Speaker 1: who is interested in learning more about the different plights
Speaker 1: that minorities, specifically African American community has faced when it
Speaker 1: comes to where they live in the communities that have
Speaker 1: essentially been created for them. Send me a picture with
Speaker 1: a drawn on mustache and what we started. I have
Speaker 1: a mustache, and I have to figure out who to
Speaker 1: give these books to somehow, and you and send you
Speaker 1: like a reason of why they would want to read it,
Speaker 1: or like what they're hoping to learn from it or
Speaker 1: takeaways or who they could share it with. That's a
Speaker 1: lot better of an idea that what I came up with.
Speaker 1: We're giving away four books. Yeah, okay, send me a
Speaker 1: message saying the Colored Law, what you want to learn
Speaker 1: from it, and who you would share that information with,
Speaker 1: and we will choose four people to send those books too.
Speaker 1: You could do a post on Instagram. Make it easy, sir,
Speaker 1: I overcomplicated that. Yeah we got this, okay, Well you
Speaker 1: find them on Instagram. Again. This is not Samus plug,
Speaker 1: but that's I like that. I like that you're continuing
Speaker 1: to pass it on and move it forward. That's good.
Speaker 1: We haven't had any anyone on the podcast that has
Speaker 1: done that, So kudos. You get extra Brownie points tonight, Thomas.
Speaker 1: I hope I get actual brownie Okay. So the one
Speaker 1: I'm going to share this week, the resource I'm sharing
Speaker 1: is it's a movie that came out several years ago
Speaker 1: and it's so good. I watched it with my mom.
Speaker 1: It was in the midst of COVID. It was when
Speaker 1: I was going through my breakup and you know, it
Speaker 1: was like in the middle of the Black Lives Matter movement.
Speaker 1: And the movie is called The Hate You Give and
Speaker 1: it's I to be honest, I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: on Netflix or how you can find it. Just do
Speaker 1: a quick Google search. I will share this on my
Speaker 1: Instagram stories and try to find a link for everyone.
Speaker 1: But it's basically about the main character is this young
Speaker 1: woman growing up in high school and she goes to
Speaker 1: a predominantly white, prestigious private school, but she lives in
Speaker 1: mainly black community that's obviously like less wealthy, less privilege,
Speaker 1: just a lot less means and so it's kind of
Speaker 1: like her navigating through this life as a young woman,
Speaker 1: you know, high school is not easy for anyone, and
Speaker 1: kind of bouncing between like her identity, like how like
Speaker 1: when she feels like she assimilates more with the black
Speaker 1: community and the white community and trying to fit in
Speaker 1: at this like prestigious school. It's really really powerful, it's
Speaker 1: really special. Have you watched it? I'm not you haven't. Well, shit,
Speaker 1: now I know what we can watch tonight for moving night.
Speaker 1: But it's called The Hate You Give. It will move
Speaker 1: you to tears. It's so beautifully done. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't remember who the director is. I can find it
Speaker 1: really quick, but that is the one again. I will
Speaker 1: share it on my Instagram as well, just like Tommy
Speaker 1: will do with his. And that is the resource section
Speaker 1: for the podcast. Thanks Thomas. And now you, my friend,
Speaker 1: get to do your Rose and Thorn and you can
Speaker 1: do it. I'll let you do it like either this
Speaker 1: whole season of Paradise or of just this week whatever
Speaker 1: you feel like, Okay, I will do this week and
Speaker 1: my thorn would be the conversations the Beach was having
Speaker 1: about the age difference between Mara Flow and the twins,
Speaker 1: And the reason why that's a thorn to me is,
Speaker 1: I look at I'm gonna use Joe and Serena again.
Speaker 1: There's an age difference there and they've created such a
Speaker 1: beautiful life together. Why is it when a woman comes
Speaker 1: in who's older and she goes to take out these
Speaker 1: young strapping lads that now it's an issue saying yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're my young strapping lad, I will call yes exactly, okay,
Speaker 1: thank you to me that that wasn't a fair conversation
Speaker 1: to be Yeah, I mean Mara and Flow, they're out
Speaker 1: here doing everything they can to be opened the relationships. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were in a tough spot. Yeah, they take out
Speaker 1: the youngest guys, so what good for them? Good for them?
Speaker 1: Good for them? And my rose love knows no age.
Speaker 1: My Rose is basin in a reality that I don't
Speaker 1: know it's real, but it's entertaining for me to believe
Speaker 1: that it's real. And that is when Eliza went to
Speaker 1: visit Justin in Baltimore. I was so just captivated by
Speaker 1: the cloth coverings Justin had on his couches. And the
Speaker 1: reason why I was really drawn to those is because
Speaker 1: Justin is a painter and I am convinced as those
Speaker 1: cloth couches covers because he paints people on those couches
Speaker 1: and French girl, just like a French girl. So my
Speaker 1: rose is your rose. My rose is the hypothetical paintings
Speaker 1: of people Justin has done on his cloth covered couches,
Speaker 1: not even into the butterfly. That is your rose, not
Speaker 1: the chicken. N Maybe I want Justin to paint me.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh my okay, well, ladies and gents,
Speaker 1: you heard it from Thomas first. Justin, please let Thomas
Speaker 1: know where those couchcloth covers are because I don't care
Speaker 1: about the couch cloths. I care about the painting that
Speaker 1: happens on the couch cloths, the hypothetical painting. I need
Speaker 1: to see what these look like. Now, It's all I
Speaker 1: could stare at the entire scenes. It is such the
Speaker 1: difference between us. Thomas pays attention to the little list
Speaker 1: of details and I don't see. Well, the little details
Speaker 1: open up a world of possibilities, like Justin painting people
Speaker 1: on them. Wow, it's amazing. We got to call him
Speaker 1: after this and see if he has painted portraits on
Speaker 1: that coach or if he has those cloth covers for
Speaker 1: other reasons. We will hopefully find out very soon that
Speaker 1: might have been the weirdest rows you've ever gotten here
Speaker 1: one it's because I'm a sunflower guy. I don't know
Speaker 1: what to tell you. Oh yeah, okay, well, Thomas, it
Speaker 1: was so much fun having you. Thank you, my dear.
Speaker 1: You're welcome back anytime. I think I'll keep you so funny. Everybody,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thomas. It was a blast having
Speaker 1: you on. But the biggest thing goes out to all
Speaker 1: of our Bachelor Happy Our listeners. You know, we couldn't
Speaker 1: be here every week without all of you, so thank you,
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