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Speaker 1: What's up Happy Hour listeners. I'm your host, Becca Kufrin,

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Speaker 1: and this week is looking a little different because Michelle

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Speaker 1: unfortunately cannot be here. So I brought in the one

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Speaker 1: and only reinforcer himself. We got Thomas here. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Happy Hour. Hun. I thought I was gonna impersonate

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Speaker 1: Michelle and try to like skate that one by everyone.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to pretend? Hey everyone, it's Michelle Young here.

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Speaker 1: Welcome another week of Bachelor Happy Hour. You know, I

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Speaker 1: feel like you you couldn't fool anyone with this mustache

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Speaker 1: that you have going on. Yeah, you're right, that was

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Speaker 1: first and foremost. I polled us with a disrespect to

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Speaker 1: that one. Michelle's no one can take her place. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to be back. This would be fun. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: for those of you who may or may not remember

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Speaker 1: the last time Thomas was on Happy Hour, well it

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Speaker 1: was months ago now, but at that point he also

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Speaker 1: had a mustache. He once again brought the mustache back,

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Speaker 1: not just for Happy Hour, but four November. We've gotten

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Speaker 1: a lot of people dming us and commenting on our

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Speaker 1: photos on social about why he has the mustache. So

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Speaker 1: that is the reason why and for those who aren't

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Speaker 1: familiar with November, it's Men's Prostate Cancer Awareness month. Men's

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Speaker 1: prostate cancer is one of the leading causes and then

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Speaker 1: one of the leading actual forms of cancer that men have,

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Speaker 1: So it's just for awareness men got to support. If

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Speaker 1: I could grow mustache, I would in November. But we're

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Speaker 1: not here to talk about facial hair, as exciting as

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Speaker 1: it is. We obviously have to get into everything that

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Speaker 1: happened in Paradise this week because we, of course we're there.

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Speaker 1: We made a very quick appearance down there to kick

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Speaker 1: off these Sabie Hawkins nineties themed dance, which we'll get

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Speaker 1: into because that was so much fun. But Tommy, before that,

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Speaker 1: let's just chat with people. A lot of you wrote

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Speaker 1: in some different questions that we'll get around to answering later.

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Speaker 1: But we've had some big life changes since the last

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Speaker 1: time you were on. Obviously we were in the house

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Speaker 1: and it is complete demolition in there, still going through

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Speaker 1: this renovation. But if anyone missed it, Thomas recently proposed

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Speaker 1: to me, even though we were already engaged. He popped

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Speaker 1: the question real first full circle moment there. Yeah, so, now,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, this is so funny think about it.

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Speaker 1: So now I've been engaged, does it count as four

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Speaker 1: times now since I proposed to you? All I know

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Speaker 1: is I made a joke to Becca the other day

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Speaker 1: that she's one ring away from becoming Thanos and she

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Speaker 1: still doesn't understand the reference. I've never seen Marvel, so

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Speaker 1: I don't get it. I thought it was like the

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Holmes Blood Company or whatever. But whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: all I know is it feels good, and I'm glad

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Speaker 1: we got to celebrate that. And I'm glad I was

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Speaker 1: able to put a ring on it. Yes, exactly, So

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Speaker 1: what are you gonna say? I put a ring on it?

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Speaker 1: I put a ring? He did, yes, So obviously on

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Speaker 1: the show you saw us explain to my proposal to Thomas.

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Speaker 1: But he did something really, really wonderful too when he

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Speaker 1: proposed to me. It was so cute. I kind of

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Speaker 1: saw it coming. I'm not gonna lie. I wasn't a

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent surprised. But what really got me. What

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Speaker 1: was super special this time around, is he actually had

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Speaker 1: the ring for a while. I don't even know how

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Speaker 1: long you can tell everyone for how long you had it.

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Speaker 1: I learned for about three months before I did it,

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Speaker 1: and it's one of those things. I would have done

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Speaker 1: Oh shut up. You made you put that in your

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Speaker 1: mind that I wanted doing so bad. But it was

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes, behind literally behind my back when I

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Speaker 1: was taking naps or cooking or just preoccupied, and put

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Speaker 1: this whole photo compilation together of this ring. It's been everywhere.

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Speaker 1: He took it to Minnesota, it's been to different towns.

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Speaker 1: When she says preoccupied, that might be a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a generous statement, it's more so when she just

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Speaker 1: had no idea that I possibly would have a ring

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Speaker 1: going to her pose over dog poop. Actually you probably would.

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Speaker 1: I mean I did see it not knowing what it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a funny picture. Yeah, I had to go

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Speaker 1: Um yeah, so we like, like you just said, we've

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Speaker 1: come full circle. So it's been really special. Um. Fun

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Speaker 1: Things are good, um and excitingly, she hasn't hit me

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Speaker 1: with that ring yet, seeing that the house isn't done yet. Well,

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Speaker 1: I did actually punch you in the face when we

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Speaker 1: wink wink, No, it was um. But this is a

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Speaker 1: that's where we met, that's where we fall in love.

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Speaker 1: We wouldn't be engaged today without those beaches of paradise.

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Speaker 1: So um, a lot went down and we saw the

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Speaker 1: you what we're like some top moments that stuck out

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Speaker 1: there of this week, I would say my biggest takeaway

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Speaker 1: immediately was the strength of Brandon's words of affirmation towards Serene.

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Speaker 1: He has an ability to turn any scenario into a

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Speaker 1: way to just profess his love to her, and it's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Like it's to the point when everyone's beaten up rod

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Speaker 1: picturing they're sitting there having breakfast and he gets an

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Speaker 1: and I agree. I think that they obviously they're the

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Speaker 1: be anywhere close to an accurate representation of who I am,

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Speaker 1: I definitely felt bad for Logan in that moment, especially

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Speaker 1: a better experience if it was how do I want

429
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: to say, like does that make sense? Like if it

430
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: was more relaxing and like not like he felt forced

431
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: to be with somebody I felt for Andrew. One of

432
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: the things that really led to his name for clarity

433
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: with Teddy as well was not only his own anticipation,

434
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: but just the external anticipation around it. I mean, even

435
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: in his conversation with NC, he mentioned, Oh, yeah, I

436
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: kind of know who you are. And let's call a

437
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: spade a spade. These contestants say they know who each

438
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: other are. Yeah, they're looking at each other's instagrams and

439
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: they have an idea. And not only that, there's a

440
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: lot of people in the world who have ideas for

441
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: the people going on that beach. There was so much

442
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: pressure leading into the start of the season for Teddy

443
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: and Andrew to be a thing, both on Andrew himself

444
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: and just the world around him. I feel like that's

445
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: such a hard almost burden to walk into. It's hard

446
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: enough to be on that beach. So are you saying

447
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 1: because of that, because of social media? And I don't

448
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: want to say researching people, but knowing about them beforehand,

449
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: like that kind of set him up for failure. I

450
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: would say the expectation that people can create on others

451
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: through their perspective of what they were on a short

452
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: sample on screen can really mess someone up if that

453
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: person in reality doesn't match up to what they created

454
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: in their minds. Yeah, and for Andrew, I think that's

455
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: exactly what happened, and yeah, why things went so sideways

456
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: and he needs that clarity so badly because it's it

457
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: will rock your world down there. And Andrew's don't believe

458
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: like like you said, he's magnanimous. He's just this big

459
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: than life personality. To see him down like that, that

460
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: really hurt him. Yeah, and again he just didn't have

461
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: that closure because everyone we talked to him and he

462
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: had brought up what happened between him and Teddy and

463
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: how she just kind of left. Like he even said that,

464
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: like when they were together, things were great, and it

465
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: was like certain times when the cameras were around, like

466
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, when certain conversations like were being filmed, He's like,

467
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: that was kind of weird, Like I could tell she

468
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: was maybe a little bit more uncomfortable and not used

469
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: to that and didn't necessarily like the cameras. But he's like,

470
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: when they weren't around and it was just the two

471
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: of them, he made it seem like the relationship was great.

472
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: And I think he really was completely shocked that she

473
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: just up and left and didn't really I mean, I

474
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: know that they kind of had a conversation, but I

475
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: don't think at that point she was like I'm leaving goodbye,

476
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: Like she just kind of left him in the dust,

477
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: and he was still reeling from that weeks later. Well,

478
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: it just shows how difficult it is to actually put

479
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: yourself out there and be vulnerable go down onto that beach.

480
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of the guys who we know

481
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: bigger than life off the cameras, it's hard. And I

482
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,239
Speaker 1: just want people to really realize that these people are

483
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: opening their hearts out and they're doing it in a

484
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: very very public way, and it is hard. Yeah, and

485
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: we definitely know, like out of the guys that were

486
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: closest to that, it was I think just what you said,

487
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: it was harder than they expected. I think they went

488
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: down and being like, it's going to be such a

489
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: fun summer. We will be with our friends, we'll meet

490
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: some beautiful, smart, fun women, we'll have drinks flowing, we'll

491
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: get tam we'll go swimming, And it was so much

492
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: more than that that I think it really rocked them. Well,

493
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: that's one of the beauties about Paradise because you have

494
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: you get rocked, well not necessarily that, but you have

495
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: these core group of guys who had such an amazing

496
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: experience on their seasons with bachelorettes, and then when they

497
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: go to Paradise, it's it's a new it's an entirely

498
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: new ball game. And yeah, people like me who I

499
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: hated my experience on The Bachelorette. It was one of

500
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: the worst six month windows I think I personally had

501
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: to live through filming it, not knowing what's going on

502
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: and having the way through those waters after the fact

503
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: and when I got to Paradise and I told you this,

504
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: when we're on that beach, I would have lived through

505
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: that a million times over if it meant that I

506
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: was able to live the life we are today. And

507
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: that's why I think it's it's it's it's being down

508
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: on that beach and just living in our dynamic and

509
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: also vicariously through the people that we know close on

510
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 1: that beach. It really just solidified things, just the way

511
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: that I feel and how much I applaud everyone who

512
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: opens themselves up down there because it is so hard. Yeah,

513
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: I mean, that's something that I always want are listeners

514
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: and the viewers of the show to keep in mind.

515
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,239
Speaker 1: It's like you see again, we say this over and over.

516
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: You see two hours, well in this case, four hours

517
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: once a week of things that are being filmed twenty

518
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: four to seven. It's it's so much more. No one

519
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: unless you're there, will ever be able to understand. But

520
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: it really, really really is as fun as it is too,

521
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: and it's worthwhile as it can be. It's hard. It's

522
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: the transition off the show back into the real world

523
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: two is difficult. It's just it's a lot. So I'm

524
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: feeling for a lot of these people right now. But

525
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: let's get into the fun stuff. Because it wasn't all

526
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: tears when we were there. There was a lot of

527
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: laughs and dancing and nineties goodness to come from some

528
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: of this week. We Thomas and I were there, we

529
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: filmed all day. We filmed all day and we didn't

530
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: even say for the whole thing. We left early. We

531
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: fell asleep downstairs by Wells because it was just everything

532
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: was just going on so much longer. I think a

533
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: lot of it had to do with the conversation between

534
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: Jenia and Andrew, and then Andrew and Ncy, so we

535
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: just tapped out, We're like, mom and dad are too

536
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: old for this. We cannot it has passed minute. I

537
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: need to go to bed. But in context, that made

538
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: Andrew saying dude and brow so much to ency and

539
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: that breakup so much more relatable. He's like dude in

540
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: an insert it's four am. Yeah, I gotta get out

541
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: your dude, I can't do it. I'm broken, I'm tired.

542
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: I need to go to bed. Oh right. At that point,

543
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 1: he was like, these relationships are done. There's less than

544
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: a week left of paradise. Let me get some sleep

545
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: and just tap out early. I totally understand. He was

546
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: emotionally physically everything just drained exhausted. Yeah, which is so

547
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: sad because we spent a good check of the night

548
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: with him and he was so upbeating. They were having

549
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: a great time. Intel Jennia pulled him. It was such

550
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: a good time. It's celebrating the music's great. People are

551
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: having fun, there's different events. It was so fun to

552
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: live the nineties nostalgia too, because we had just celebrated

553
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: your thirtieth birthday, which was nineties themed, and oh the night.

554
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: I swear it was the best decade. We could go

555
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: on and on about our love for the nineties. I

556
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: think half the people there didn't even live through half

557
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: of the night. Unfortunate Michael went to his first Stadies

558
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: Hawkins in nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, good for him. It

559
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: was so fun and it was fun been with Wells too,

560
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: like it was it was cool. We've we've obviously seen

561
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: Wells like in his bartending role down there and like

562
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: the guy that we could go to for advice and

563
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: jokes and just to talk. But seeing him and there

564
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: was a lot that got cut out. I think just

565
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: either we were terrible at hosting or just through to timing.

566
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just chalk it up to the timing with

567
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: all the drama, but like we actually kicked off the

568
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: night and Wells is like such a pro at the

569
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: one liners at the welcomes, Like it was cool to

570
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: see him in that element too. That was something we

571
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: hadn't necessarily really seen before. I guess yeah, Wells does

572
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: a lot more than bartend. That is very apparent behind

573
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: the scenes. He's a trooper. He stayed through the end.

574
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: He did not have out early, So poor one out

575
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: for Wells because he puts up with a lot. What

576
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: were some of the highlights you saw during the nineties party? Like,

577
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: what was the coolest thing to you? I think just

578
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: for me personally, it was seeing how especially the girls,

579
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: but the guys too, we're going to style themselves and

580
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: accessorize because I like I wish everyone would have known

581
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: that this was coming, because I feel like we could

582
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: have gone all out. You know, it's like everyone kind

583
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: of may do with what they had in the moment.

584
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: But it was cool to kind of see old school

585
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: styles come back. That's why I liked. And then just

586
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: the music and like the phrases that we used back

587
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: in the day. Dance moves, the dance moves, the dance off.

588
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: The men killed that. I'm getting it to the men.

589
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: I will say if we all saw that in real life.

590
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: The men crushed it. At a moment where Tyler jumped

591
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: back and was cradle on everyone's arms and they threw him. Yeah,

592
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: near Andy landed like a superhero. They crushed it. It

593
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: was so good. Um, I liked the character. I really

594
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: wish we would have gotten our character. How do you

595
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: say caricatures? Caricature? Are drawings are big enough in real life?

596
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: I don't I don't need that that hit to the

597
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: You have nice ears, your ears are that big. Let's

598
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: do a caricature and let's see what you say. You're

599
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: gonna look at me differently forever. Okay, we'll get one done. Yeah,

600
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: we wanted to do one there. We just ran at

601
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: the time. Um, you were able, though, to spend more

602
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: time with the guys and just have your man chats

603
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: if you will. Um, who did you that you didn't

604
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: know that you met that night? Really surprised you that

605
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: you liked well. I spent a lot of my time

606
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: talking to the people that I knew. The majority of

607
00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: my conversations were with Michael, Andrew and Aaron, and I

608
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: just wish we could have known that's what they were

609
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: arguing about the day before, because when I'm talking to Aaron,

610
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: first thing, I say, I'm like, bro, you're talking to

611
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: girls this time around. I'm so proud of you. I'm

612
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: happy for you. And then he tells me he's in love,

613
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: and Michael's rolling his eyes and he's laughing. I'm like,

614
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: all right, what's going on? Michael spiletts and he goes,

615
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: he is in the most dysfunctional relationship I have ever

616
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: seen in my life, and then everyone starts laughing. Aaron

617
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: included that was the consensus of like what everyone was

618
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: telling us, though we'd had no idea. Someone could tell

619
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: you something and until you see it, Yeah, there is

620
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: no grasping the depths of that non nectar. They Yeah,

621
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: when we went down there. I will say we weren't

622
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: shocked to see them together, obviously because of what happened

623
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: at the tell all with when Shai called out Genevieve

624
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: for like, what was it like cooking up with Aaron allegedly,

625
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: But so we weren't shocked. I was like, of course

626
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna be together after that storyline, like that would

627
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: be such a misopportunity. Of they weren't. So we weren't

628
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: shocked by that. But they look they physically look good together.

629
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: They have almost two similar personalities, and it's like what

630
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: happens when you put dynamite in a bearable with some

631
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: more dynamite, you get genn to be of an Aaron pain. Yeah, yeah,

632
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: it was. But yeah, everyone that we had talked to

633
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: their like their relationship. Man, we don't know if they're together,

634
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: when they're not together, if they're happy, if they're not happy.

635
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: It just I think we left being like, I don't

636
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: think they're going to work out in the real world.

637
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: It was not a thought. It was there is no

638
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: way in heck that That also is a good transition

639
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: to conversation from Michael and Danielle. It's more than just

640
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: a relationship. With a significant other. It's bringing someone else

641
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: in to be a potential mother figure to his son. Yes,

642
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: and I was asking about that and he was. He

643
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: was all in on Danielle. However, he's very reserved at

644
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: the point where he's only said I love you to

645
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: one person on this planet, and that is his wife Laura,

646
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: up until that point. Then really we're talking said that

647
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: before he said that he's only told one of the

648
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: person he's loved them. That's what he told me when

649
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: we're sitting there. Oh okay, Michael, in his life, to

650
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: that point when we're having that conversation, he had only

651
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: said I loved you to one other person on the planet.

652
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: And the fact that when we're talking, he's saying, you

653
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: can see a future outside of there with Dan Yelle

654
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: and what that looks like like, that made me have

655
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: sore cheeks just from smiling, because that's a that's a

656
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: powerful thing. So that was the conversation with Michael, and

657
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: I was elated to hear it. But he hadn't told

658
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: Danielle he loved her. That's what I'm saying, the only

659
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: person he has ever said he's loved. But then he

660
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: was getting to that point with Danielle. He never used

661
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: the word love, but he was saying he was getting

662
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: to a point where getting close gotcha or just like

663
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: on that trajectory potentially. Yeah, Okay, we'll have to see

664
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: what because I don't know how that one ends. But

665
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: that was just cool to see as far as conversations

666
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: that we had there, Okay, gotcha. And then and he

667
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: was just going through it. Yeah, we've been over us.

668
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 1: Sad big toe, Andrew sad big toe. He was happy

669
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: big toe the first couple of days on the beach

670
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: and then sad big toes. He literally drew a happy

671
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: face on his toe. He win literally one of the

672
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: first days. The image of Andrew's foot is unfortunately just

673
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: seared into my brain. Now I don't remember this at all.

674
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: He drew a happy, a happy face on his toe. Yeah,

675
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: what did I miss? He had open exposed feet to

676
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: the world to see. Wow. I think I didn't do

677
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: that because your feet are nasty. I have one ugly foot. Okay, fine,

678
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, okay, let's get into um, let's get

679
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: into our experience just together down there, because it was

680
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: kind of like a walkthrough memory memory lane. We we

681
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: obviously walked everywhere on that beach, we revisited some of

682
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: our favorite places. We had, like one specific daybed where

683
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: we would always have our little conversations or mini dates,

684
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: and so we of course went to go laid there.

685
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: We laid on the big bubba bed where we used

686
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: to take naps with everyone. We got our favorite foods,

687
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: our favorite drinks, We saw our favorite bartenders and chefs.

688
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: What was like your highlights, your like favorite thing that

689
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: you saw or that you really wanted to do when

690
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: you were there. I just wanted to sit there and

691
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: take it all in. And I had the chance to

692
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: do that, and it was amazing. It was also nice

693
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 1: sitting on the daybed and then walking away not crying

694
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: like when we left Paradise. That was a pretty good feeling.

695
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: And I hope a lot more people this season get

696
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: to experience that. Though. Coming full circle and me dealing

697
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: that with you, that was that was pretty cool. That

698
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: was our test, Honey, look at us now. Oh oh,

699
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: we have to share the butterfly story. Oh my gosh,

700
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: we have to share the butterfly story. And I'm gonna

701
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: let you tell it. But basically, Thomas is going to

702
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: tell you his side of this story. And when we

703
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: were there. The complete opposite now happened, and the fact

704
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: that we were together to experience it as an engaged

705
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: couple was It's like, there are very few moments in

706
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: life where you get the chills and you're like, oh

707
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: my gosh, like there's something greater at work here, and

708
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: I think that was one of those moments for us.

709
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: So you just tell the people what you experienced last

710
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: year and this year. So this is the final day,

711
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: heading into overnight last year, last year, Yeah, and we're separated.

712
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: The men are in their areas, the women are in

713
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: their quarters, and we're all just waiting to see what

714
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: happens for me. In my heart, in my mind, I'm like,

715
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: I want to leave this beach with Becca. I want

716
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: to make sure she knows that. I know we're not

717
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: ready for an engagement. I know it's going to take time,

718
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: but I just want to be able to have that time.

719
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: And in my head, in my heart, I know that's

720
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: what's going to be. And while I'm sitting there just

721
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: thinking about what I want to say to or I

722
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: look up and I see a butterfly and just fly

723
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: into the room and land on the wall directly across

724
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: from me. And the reason why that's important is in

725
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: Latin culture. But it is a black butterfly. I'm getting there,

726
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: oh sorry. And Latin culture there is an omen of

727
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: a black butterfly of death. And if this butterfly lands

728
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: on a house or within like a loved one or

729
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: something of that nature, oh you don't want that, but

730
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: but but it represents imminent death is near. And for me,

731
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm already uncertain going into this conversation I'm about to

732
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: have with Becca, and right when I see that black

733
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: butterfly come in and just lands directly across from me,

734
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: it completely just sunk into me and it completely just

735
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: absorbed my bone. But I was just like, oh, man,

736
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: this is not going to be good. She's going to

737
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: break up with me. You said that, weren't you talking

738
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: to Joe or Kenny at that point? And I looked, yes,

739
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So this butterfly comes in, I have

740
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: this revelation. I'm like, she's breaking up with me. I

741
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: know what it is. The universe just told me. So

742
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: I look over to Joe and going back to his experience,

743
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: I said, hey, Joe, remember that time that you were

744
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: down here and you and Kendall broke up. He's like, yeah,

745
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: what what what it's like? What did that look like

746
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,479
Speaker 1: when you guys got back together? What do you mean? Well,

747
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: I think I'm about to get dumped and I want

748
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: to do anything I can to make sure that this

749
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: isn't goodbye. And then we went down. I got dumped

750
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: And yeah, So going full circle a year later, what

751
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: happens when we're leaving Paradise this time? So as we're

752
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: leaving Paradise, that specific resort we'd spent the day there,

753
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: talked to everyone, like, had our special moments alone on

754
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: that beach, and we're about to get into our car

755
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: to take us away, and this truly the big guess

756
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: butterfly I've ever seen flew by, but it was a

757
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: white butterfly this time. Were hand in hand about to

758
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: leave and and we were already smiling, joking because we

759
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: were like, we get to leave together this time, no

760
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: more tears. And this butterfly just comes and flies right

761
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: on over us. And I think we got a video

762
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: of it, maybe if we did all share it on Instagram,

763
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: But it was such a crazy cool moment, Like Thomas

764
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: had obviously shared the butterfly, the black butterfly story to

765
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: me months ago, like you know, when we first got

766
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 1: back together after the big breakup. But yeah, like I said,

767
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: just a moment that you truly feel like something bigger

768
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: is at play in this universe and that it was

769
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: just the sign we needed. And so I think that

770
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: was that was probably like the most cool, my favorite

771
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: memory of when when we were down there this time around.

772
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: That was amazing. That was that was probably one of

773
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 1: the moments where it just hits you in the chests.

774
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: You're like, wow, yeah, this is this place is special. Yeah,

775
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: it was. And I don't think too many people leave

776
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: that beach, Like, regardless of how people's stories end, whether

777
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: it's good or bad, I don't think very many people

778
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: leave and like I want to come back, and you

779
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: are one of those people that are, like, I would

780
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: stay at this resort. I love it here. It's so

781
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: magical and so yeah, to be able to go back

782
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: and spend a few days there and a day with

783
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: the cast was really exciting for us. So I don't

784
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: need to do what Ashley and Jerry didn't, like stay

785
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: a full week and stay in the boom boom room,

786
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: Like that's not for me anymore. But one day was good. Well,

787
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: when we have kids, there's a chance we're go begging

788
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: to go down there for a week, like, guys, please

789
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: somebody take our kids, let us go. Yeah, I could

790
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: be speaking too soon. We might have kids in a

791
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: couple of years and need to go in a stink

792
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: up the boom boom room like they did. Done. Let

793
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: me ask you this, So Thomas doesn't know too much

794
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: about the spoilers. So who do you think will end

795
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: up leaving together as a couple and who what relationships

796
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: do you think might not make it. We'll say I

797
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: think they should have let Brandon Serene get engaged like

798
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: two weeks ago and just let them have fantasy suites

799
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: for for the last month of paradise. They could have

800
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: gotten to the boom boom room like they were. They

801
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: should have just let That's one thing we learned. No

802
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: one went to the boom boom room. And it's true.

803
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: And when we were there on the beach, I feel

804
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: like so many couples were going to the boom boom room. Yeah, yeah,

805
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: it got Maybe maybe the springs were a little too

806
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: used and they're like, oh, we don't want those two

807
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: broken in Okay, So okay, So definitely Brandon Serene if

808
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: if they shoot, Yeah, if they're not married, they'll probably

809
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: get married the same time. We do you think, Yeah,

810
00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: they might already be married. Who knows, I would man,

811
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a given. I will say I don't.

812
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: I hope Michael and Danielle are together. I hope they're

813
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: able to figure something out, just because I don't know

814
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: much about Danielle. In fact, I don't know anything about Danielle. Yeah,

815
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: but I know Michael's a type of person who who

816
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: really deserves that level of happiness. And I know James

817
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: he wants that for his family as well, which is

818
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: an incredible things. He's like, he's a little kid and

819
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: he's super aware. So I hope they work out. Um.

820
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: I hope Andrew gets whatever clarity he needs. That was

821
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: that was That was tough. I hope Rodney's bachelor. Yep,

822
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 1: I agree. I'll second that we can do two seasons

823
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: in one year. We've done it before, we could do

824
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: it again. I don't see the twins leaving in a relationship.

825
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 1: I can't. Yeah, definitely not. Um, we like Brittany and Tyler,

826
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: I could see them leaving together. Definitely. Aaron and Genevieve

827
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: will not last too much longer it will last either. Unfortunately,

828
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: those those two relationsheem very short lived in me definitely. Okay,

829
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:17,959
Speaker 1: what is any advice that you would give people who well, okay,

830
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: how about this that you would give to couples who

831
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: are now still together like going through this or about

832
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: to be like public now their relationship will be all over.

833
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: Who can finally like scream it from the rooftops. What

834
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: advice would you give to them? This is advice that

835
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: I hope isn't coming too late, and I'm speaking from

836
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: our own experience. The best advice I could give to

837
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: a couple leaving that beach isn't that time when you're

838
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: not allowed to be out in the open and out

839
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: in public and really putting yourself in that relationship out there,

840
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: make sure you're doing everything you can to build that

841
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: relationship on a pillar of stone and not stand. What

842
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: I mean by that is when you're on that beach

843
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: and you don't have a care in the world and

844
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: life is not going to get better than that moment,

845
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: it's really easy to not have those pivotal and important

846
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: conversations about who we are, who do we want to be?

847
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: Who do we want to be together? And when you

848
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: have that alone time off the beach and real life

849
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: creeps in, make sure you're taking every opportunity you can

850
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: to spend that quality time and have those conversations and

851
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: have the intentionality to start shaping that life that you

852
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: both agree on. For us, we spent the first four

853
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: months in secrecy, having small picnics and having super in

854
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: depth intimate conversations and playing games and playing with the dogs,

855
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 1: and really, when you look at our lives today, it's

856
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: so similar to those original early moments we had when

857
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: we left the beach. And to have that continuity off

858
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: of the conversations, off of the actions, off of the ideals,

859
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: that's what allowed us to be planning a marriage and yeah,

860
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: planning for a future. I agree. We had the luxury

861
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: and maybe and maybe it was like a little bit

862
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: the fact that, like you were so mature and ready

863
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: to find somebody and like really be a partner. And

864
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: maybe I had some understanding of like because I had

865
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: already gone through it a couple of times, of like

866
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: how everything was going to feel when it was publicized,

867
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: of like we really sat down and like were ourselves

868
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: like this is who I am, this is what I want,

869
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,959
Speaker 1: this is what I'm hoping for. But like we didn't

870
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: really have to like like lie about who we were

871
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: because we at that point where like, if it doesn't

872
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: work out, it doesn't work out, and no one's going

873
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: to know. And if it does, it's going to be great.

874
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: But to just stay true to who you are as

875
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: an individual and what you want in a partnership, who

876
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: you're looking for, what qualities like a ligne and so

877
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: that I think is so so so important. One thing too,

878
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: that actually we should just share with anyone, whether you

879
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: are just starting to date somebody or you've been dating

880
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: for a while. There is a game that I don't

881
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: remember who recommended it to me, but it's called We're

882
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: Not Really Strangers, and it is one of the best

883
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: ways to get to know somebody. It's what was there,

884
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: like three different categories and it's three different levels, Yeah,

885
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: three different levels, and it's just really really intentional questions

886
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: that help you get to know the person you're sitting

887
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: across the table with. And it was so beneficial for us,

888
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: and so we would just spend like a couple of nights.

889
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: The interesting about that is we actually never got past

890
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: the first level or finished even close to someone's a round. No,

891
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: we got to like two, didn't we. We would do

892
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,479
Speaker 1: like three to four cards and then our conversation would

893
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: naturally just take on its own phone. Yeah. Yeah, so

894
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: it's such a great game. I highly highly recommended. This

895
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: is not even like an AD. I call you out

896
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: right here, name four questions from that because we pulled

897
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: it out and it was a great concept. We never

898
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: used it. I have one in my wallet. I saved

899
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: one special one. Yeah, it's skilled. We're not really strangerous. Again,

900
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: this is not an ad. This is I'm not doing

901
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: a promotion with them unless they want to pay me

902
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: in the future. But it was such a good game,

903
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: so beneficial, highly highly highly recommend m so friendy couples

904
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: in paradise who are together now and still in hiding,

905
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: pick up that game, take it for a spin one

906
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: or two nights and you will not be disappointed. But now, Tommy,

907
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: it's the time because you are such a good supporter,

908
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: and I know you listen to this podcast that we

909
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: got to share the resources, so you know how this works.

910
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: But to any listeners who are new to Happy We here,

911
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: think it's so important for everyone to stay informed and

912
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: just be called accountable. So we are sharing resources on

913
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: this podcast and then also on our Instagram accounts that

914
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: anyone can go to and find and pull up and

915
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: either quickly listen to or watch or purchase as a book.

916
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 1: So I will let you start this time, Tommy, Okay,

917
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: take it away. The resource that I want to talk

918
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: about today, it is a book. The book is called

919
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: The Color of Law. The Color of Law is by

920
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: Richard Rothstein and what it entails it's a deep dive

921
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: through why geographic boundaries happen. What I mean by geographic

922
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: boundaries is what Richard Roston goes into is why do

923
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: we have predominantly black communities. Why do we have a

924
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: disparity between school systems, Why do we have a disparity

925
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: in potential job opportunity? Why is it so much harder

926
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: for the African American community in minority communities to surpass

927
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: the obstacles in their way from where they live and

928
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: what their surroundings are. And what rich Rossi does is

929
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: he goes into an actual empirical breakdown of different governing policies,

930
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: different procedurals, and different just community I'm going to use

931
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: the word mishaps that led to these minority driven just

932
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: redlined areas, and to push that dialogue further, I'm actually

933
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: going to give away four copies of the book anyone

934
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: who is interested in learning more about the different plights

935
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: that minorities, specifically African American community has faced when it

936
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: comes to where they live in the communities that have

937
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: essentially been created for them. Send me a picture with

938
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: a drawn on mustache and what we started. I have

939
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: a mustache, and I have to figure out who to

940
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: give these books to somehow, and you and send you

941
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: like a reason of why they would want to read it,

942
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: or like what they're hoping to learn from it or

943
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: takeaways or who they could share it with. That's a

944
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: lot better of an idea that what I came up with.

945
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: We're giving away four books. Yeah, okay, send me a

946
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: message saying the Colored Law, what you want to learn

947
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: from it, and who you would share that information with,

948
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: and we will choose four people to send those books too.

949
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: You could do a post on Instagram. Make it easy, sir,

950
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: I overcomplicated that. Yeah we got this, okay, Well you

951
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: find them on Instagram. Again. This is not Samus plug,

952
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: but that's I like that. I like that you're continuing

953
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 1: to pass it on and move it forward. That's good.

954
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: We haven't had any anyone on the podcast that has

955
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: done that, So kudos. You get extra Brownie points tonight, Thomas.

956
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: I hope I get actual brownie Okay. So the one

957
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to share this week, the resource I'm sharing

958
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: is it's a movie that came out several years ago

959
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 1: and it's so good. I watched it with my mom.

960
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: It was in the midst of COVID. It was when

961
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: I was going through my breakup and you know, it

962
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: was like in the middle of the Black Lives Matter movement.

963
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: And the movie is called The Hate You Give and

964
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: it's I to be honest, I don't know if it's

965
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: on Netflix or how you can find it. Just do

966
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: a quick Google search. I will share this on my

967
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: Instagram stories and try to find a link for everyone.

968
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: But it's basically about the main character is this young

969
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: woman growing up in high school and she goes to

970
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: a predominantly white, prestigious private school, but she lives in

971
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: mainly black community that's obviously like less wealthy, less privilege,

972
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: just a lot less means and so it's kind of

973
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 1: like her navigating through this life as a young woman,

974
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: you know, high school is not easy for anyone, and

975
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: kind of bouncing between like her identity, like how like

976
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: when she feels like she assimilates more with the black

977
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: community and the white community and trying to fit in

978
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: at this like prestigious school. It's really really powerful, it's

979
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: really special. Have you watched it? I'm not you haven't. Well, shit,

980
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: now I know what we can watch tonight for moving night.

981
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: But it's called The Hate You Give. It will move

982
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 1: you to tears. It's so beautifully done. I don't I

983
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: don't remember who the director is. I can find it

984
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: really quick, but that is the one again. I will

985
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: share it on my Instagram as well, just like Tommy

986
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: will do with his. And that is the resource section

987
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: for the podcast. Thanks Thomas. And now you, my friend,

988
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: get to do your Rose and Thorn and you can

989
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: do it. I'll let you do it like either this

990
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: whole season of Paradise or of just this week whatever

991
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: you feel like, Okay, I will do this week and

992
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: my thorn would be the conversations the Beach was having

993
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: about the age difference between Mara Flow and the twins,

994
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: And the reason why that's a thorn to me is,

995
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 1: I look at I'm gonna use Joe and Serena again.

996
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: There's an age difference there and they've created such a

997
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,439
Speaker 1: beautiful life together. Why is it when a woman comes

998
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: in who's older and she goes to take out these

999
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: young strapping lads that now it's an issue saying yeah,

1000
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: and you're my young strapping lad, I will call yes exactly, okay,

1001
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: thank you to me that that wasn't a fair conversation

1002
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: to be Yeah, I mean Mara and Flow, they're out

1003
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: here doing everything they can to be opened the relationships. Yeah,

1004
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: they were in a tough spot. Yeah, they take out

1005
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: the youngest guys, so what good for them? Good for them?

1006
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: Good for them? And my rose love knows no age.

1007
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 1: My Rose is basin in a reality that I don't

1008
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: know it's real, but it's entertaining for me to believe

1009
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: that it's real. And that is when Eliza went to

1010
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: visit Justin in Baltimore. I was so just captivated by

1011
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: the cloth coverings Justin had on his couches. And the

1012
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: reason why I was really drawn to those is because

1013
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 1: Justin is a painter and I am convinced as those

1014
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: cloth couches covers because he paints people on those couches

1015
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: and French girl, just like a French girl. So my

1016
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 1: rose is your rose. My rose is the hypothetical paintings

1017
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: of people Justin has done on his cloth covered couches,

1018
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 1: not even into the butterfly. That is your rose, not

1019
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: the chicken. N Maybe I want Justin to paint me.

1020
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh my okay, well, ladies and gents,

1021
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: you heard it from Thomas first. Justin, please let Thomas

1022
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: know where those couchcloth covers are because I don't care

1023
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: about the couch cloths. I care about the painting that

1024
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: happens on the couch cloths, the hypothetical painting. I need

1025
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: to see what these look like. Now, It's all I

1026
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: could stare at the entire scenes. It is such the

1027
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: difference between us. Thomas pays attention to the little list

1028
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: of details and I don't see. Well, the little details

1029
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: open up a world of possibilities, like Justin painting people

1030
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: on them. Wow, it's amazing. We got to call him

1031
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: after this and see if he has painted portraits on

1032
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: that coach or if he has those cloth covers for

1033
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: other reasons. We will hopefully find out very soon that

1034
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: might have been the weirdest rows you've ever gotten here

1035
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: one it's because I'm a sunflower guy. I don't know

1036
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: what to tell you. Oh yeah, okay, well, Thomas, it

1037
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: was so much fun having you. Thank you, my dear.

1038
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: You're welcome back anytime. I think I'll keep you so funny. Everybody,

1039
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thomas. It was a blast having

1040
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: you on. But the biggest thing goes out to all

1041
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: of our Bachelor Happy Our listeners. You know, we couldn't

1042
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: be here every week without all of you, so thank you,

1043
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, and please make sure to tune

1044
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: in next week for the season finale. Holy crap, it's

1045
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: already the finale of boudsher in Paradise both Monday and

1046
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: Tuesday on ABC or stream on Hulu and make sure

1047
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:01,560
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1048
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,160
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00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,920
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1050
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