1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: Mourning everybody. It's dj NV just Hilarius Chlamagne the God. 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: in the building. Yes, indeed be a form of Baltimore 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: City State Attorney Marilyn Moseby. Welcome, Thank you for having me, 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: Thank you. We also have Angela Raie here as well. Hello, Hello, 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: miss Ryan. 8 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: While y'all both got on Cameouflood, were ready for it. 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 3: Was it wasn't even on purpose, being on one accord, 10 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: were ready for work. 11 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 4: Taylor was too earlier. 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, how are you though, Maryland? How are you feeling? 13 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 5: I feel grateful. It's been really really hard. I mean, 14 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 5: we'll get into the case, but no, I have been 15 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 5: accused of doing something that I have not done. I'm innocent. 16 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 5: I'm facing forty years for withdrawing funds from my retirement savings. 17 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 5: The United States government, a global superpower is actually coming 18 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,639 Speaker 5: for me. And so it's it's been hard and it's 19 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 5: been daunting, but I feel blessed because you know, I 20 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 5: have people in my corner like the Great Angela Rye right, 21 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 5: this bold, beautiful, brilliant black woman who is using her 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 5: platform to heighten what I'm going through. And I mean, 23 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 5: the only thing I could say is gratitude. 24 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: Let's start from the beginning of that. How did you 25 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 1: get to this position? Right? We seen Donald Trump throwing 26 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: darts at you, But how did you get to this position? 27 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: What happened? Let's start from the beginning. 28 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 5: So when you say you start from the beginning, like 29 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 5: the attacks, I would say. 30 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: Well, you a Baltimore's City State's attorney, so you're doing 31 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: your job. And then it took a shift. When did 32 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: it start taking a ship? When did the government start 33 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: attacking you? And for what reason? 34 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 5: So when I became the States Attorney, I was the 35 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 5: youngest chief prosecutor of any major American city in the country. 36 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 5: I won at the age of thirty four, and then 37 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 5: I beat an incumbent that outraised me or to one 38 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 5: by double digit percentage points. And so five months into 39 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 5: my first term, you know, unfortunately, a young black man 40 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 5: by the name of Freddie Carlos Gray Junior was killed 41 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 5: in the custody of police when he was unconstitutionally arrested, 42 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 5: placed into a metal wagon headfirst, feet shackled and handcuffed. 43 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 5: And it's pleased for medical attention were ignored. I followed 44 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 5: the facts with the law. I wouldn't do anything differently, 45 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 5: but I charged those police officers. And at that time, 46 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 5: I was one of the first prosecutors in the country 47 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 5: to attempt to hold police officers accountable for the death 48 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 5: of a black man. And so that wasn't happening in 49 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 5: this country, and so it immediately came with a great 50 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 5: deal of backlash. You know, I got hate mail and 51 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 5: death threats, people describing how then my now ex husband 52 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 5: would come out of our house and he would be killed, 53 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 5: and how no police officers would respond. You know, it 54 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 5: was a lot. This is pre Trump. This is you know, 55 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 5: I had the social media. It was off the chain. 56 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 5: This is before you know, you get kind of get 57 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 5: used to it now, but this had a red nation 58 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 5: rising where they were sending me all kinds of like 59 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 5: hate mail, and it was it was insane. But that's 60 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 5: when they started to come from my law license. They 61 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 5: were trying to, you know, do whatever they could to 62 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 5: break me. And what we learned out of that case, 63 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 5: those officers were acquitted, and in my opinion, the police 64 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 5: department sabotaged the case. But we learned our lessons. So 65 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 5: in twenty sixteen, when I dismissed it, we put out 66 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 5: a slate of police accountability reform proposals that were subsequently 67 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 5: adopted nationally after George Floyd. You can go on record 68 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 5: and you can see those same sort of proposals. But 69 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 5: we also learned our lessons in that during my tenure 70 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 5: we then subsequently prosecuted thirty three police officers. 71 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 6: Successfully, not just you didn't go after just to Freddie 72 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 6: Gray police officer's, thirty three other police officers successfully. 73 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 5: Anybody that preyed upon the vulnerabilities the citizens of Baltimore 74 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 5: had to deal with my office. You know, there was 75 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 5: a Gun Trace Task Force. This was one of the 76 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 5: largest police corruption scandals in the history of the country, 77 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 5: where for decades you had officers planting guns and drugs 78 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 5: on citizens, and so, understanding that the credibility of those 79 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 5: officers were at issue, you know, we drafted legislation, lobbied 80 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 5: for legislation, went against my colleagues across the state, and 81 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 5: we were able to pass a vacatr statute that, in 82 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 5: the interests of justice, gave prosecutors mechanisms to vacate the convictions. 83 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 5: Imagine you know, individuals like that making claims on citizens 84 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 5: and they're lying. So we had to review thousands of cases, 85 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 5: and ultimately, through that legislation that we we created, we 86 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 5: vacated the convictions of over eight hundred individuals. 87 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: And that ain't gain you no fans in law enforcement 88 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: and police union. 89 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 5: Absolutely not. 90 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: I mean yeah, especially when the lead prosecutor on the 91 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 3: Gun Trace Task Force. I'm gonna say this part because 92 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: she shouldn't. The Gun Trace Task Force Leo Wise, which 93 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 3: is a lawyer who, before he went to the Maryland 94 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 3: US Attorney's Office, worked on Capitol Hill. All of his 95 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 3: targets were black people. He goes there, he prosecutes these 96 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 3: Gun Trace Task Force members, five of them are black, 97 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 3: three of them are white. He doesn't go after their boss. 98 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: Maryland says, oh, well, since we're you're finding corruption, we're 99 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 3: gonna make sure that we review all these cases. I 100 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 3: think that this man's ego didn't allow for him to 101 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,679 Speaker 3: see that that was actually beneficial. If there was someone 102 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,119 Speaker 3: who did wrong by the law, then the conviction should 103 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 3: be overturned. He took that as a personal affront. Not 104 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 3: only was he the lead prosecutor on the case against Maryland, 105 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 3: he donated to her political opponents that in and of 106 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 3: itself should be a material conflict that got him removed 107 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 3: from the cases against her. So they went after her. 108 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 3: They were looking for things over and over again. Donald 109 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 3: Trump said that he was going to go after the 110 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 3: protesters during the George Floyd unrest in this country and 111 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 3: targeted Baltimore is one of them. That's not the first 112 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 3: time he named Jick Maryland. Two months after well, they 113 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 3: wrote an op ed saying, if you come to our cities, 114 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 3: if you send the Fed to our cities, We're gonna 115 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: prosecute the Feds. Another bowl moved by her. Two months 116 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 3: after that, she was under federal investigation. That's not by accident. 117 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 3: That's not happenstance. 118 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: Now, before we. 119 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 6: Get to the case, right, what other things were they 120 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 6: doing to you that you started to notice, like when 121 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 6: you realize, like, okay. 122 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: Theywn my ass. 123 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 5: So I mean I understood and recognized that, you know, 124 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 5: challenging the status quo wasn't just my you know, attempts 125 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 5: to balance the skills of justice when it comes to 126 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 5: holding police officers accountable. There were a great deal of 127 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,239 Speaker 5: other like reforms that we put into place, you guys 128 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 5: covered it. At one point, we stopped prosecuting low level 129 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 5: marijuana possession cases right in the City of Baltimore before 130 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 5: it was legalized, because there was an expectation that, you know, 131 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 5: that the guys in certain neighborhoods they could get the 132 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 5: substance use. And unfortunately, we wanted to criminalize black folks 133 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 5: even after we did decriminalize ten grams or less in marijuana, 134 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 5: and the police were responsible for issuing citations, ninety five 135 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 5: percent of the citations that they were issuing were issued 136 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 5: to one particular one out of nine police districts. That 137 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 5: district that they were issuing the citations happened to be 138 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 5: ninety five percent black and disproportionately impoverished. Right, And so 139 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 5: when we look at that fact that there's no disparate 140 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 5: use among white and black people when it comes to 141 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 5: mere possession of marijuana in America, if you're a white person, 142 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 5: you're you're I mean a black person, you're four times 143 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 5: more likely to be arrested for mere possession of marijuana. However, 144 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 5: in the city of Baltimore, you were six times more likely. 145 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 5: And what I said is we're not I'm never going 146 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 5: to be complicit in discriminatory enforcement of laws against poor 147 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 5: black and brown people. So my colleagues would call me morons. 148 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 5: You know, they were constantly attacking me, and this was 149 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 5: nothing knew because people are always going to be resistant 150 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 5: to change. I understood that. I recognized that, you know. 151 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 5: I started the first conviction integrity unit in the entire 152 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 5: state of Maryland, where we did reinvestigations into claims of 153 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 5: actual innocence, and under my tenure, we exonerated thirteen innocent 154 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 5: black men who collectively served three hundred years in prison 155 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 5: for crimes they didn't commit. I started a sentencing review 156 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 5: unit where we released and modified the sentence of over 157 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 5: sixty individuals that are the juvenile lifers and the elderly 158 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 5: prison population. And so when you're going against the status 159 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 5: quo and you're attempting to reduce the jail population and 160 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 5: in a system that has disproportionately impacted and has based 161 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 5: their business model off the backs of black and brown people, 162 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 5: I knew people were going to come for me. I 163 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 5: just didn't think that they were going to use this 164 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 5: system against me in a way in which I would 165 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 5: be wrongly convicted and face the same sort of reality 166 00:08:58,520 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 5: as all of those exgonneries. 167 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 6: So this is the indictment that happened in twenty twenty two. 168 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 6: That was the first time they came for you. 169 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 5: So the Feds actually for five years they had been 170 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 5: investigating every aspect of my life. So like they called 171 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 5: my taxes, my charitable donations, my campaign contributions. They went 172 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 5: to my children's dance instructors. They were sending the FBI 173 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 5: to my neighbor's homes at five in the morning interrogating them. 174 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 5: You imagine getting the FBI knocking at your door. We 175 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 5: want to talk to you about Marilyn Moseby. And they 176 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 5: issued subpoenas to all of the black churches five months before, 177 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 5: you know, a few months before my election. So what 178 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 5: do you think that's going to do. Everybody's gonna be like, oh, 179 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 5: I don't want to touch this with them ten foot pole, right, 180 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 5: And so it was created to isolate me, and so 181 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 5: I understood that it was coming, but I still knew 182 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 5: that I had done nothing wrong. And so to then 183 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 5: have you know, all of that be public and the 184 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 5: FEDS when they investigating you, typically you don't know it 185 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 5: until you're indicted. They made it very public because they 186 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 5: wanted to to to create this narrative that I was 187 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 5: somehow a villain and corrupt, And so I was shocked 188 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 5: when they came back and they indicted me of, you know, 189 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 5: withdrawing my own money, the money that I put away 190 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 5: every two weeks out of my in my retirement savings. 191 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: Baltimore deferred compensation retirement account. 192 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 5: Yes, a deferred compensation account. And they said that and 193 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 5: made it out to be as if I was I 194 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 5: was utilizing PPP loans or COVID relief funding right like, no, 195 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 5: this is this is literally my money. What happened through 196 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 5: that happened, So I mean this. During COVID Congress came 197 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 5: out with a statute and Angelau if you wanted to 198 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 5: get into it, you could as well. But they came 199 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 5: out with the COVID Provision where the CARES Act under 200 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 5: the CARES Act, where they had not defined what an 201 00:10:55,920 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 5: adverse financial consequence was. Now it's a verse financial consequence 202 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 5: legally is different than a financial hardship. A financial hardship 203 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 5: has been defined, there is precedents already set for it, 204 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 5: but an adverse financial consequence has not been legally defined. 205 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 5: What I was attempting to do was to access my money, 206 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 5: and I didn't know how I was going to do it, 207 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 5: but I wanted to be able to access my money. 208 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 5: I called, you know, nationwide. They told me, hey, there's 209 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 5: this provision if you meet any of this criteria right 210 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 5: and again an adverse financial consequence, then there's a recorded. 211 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 3: Call of you calling nationwide where you asked is very 212 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 3: clear that she's asking for clarification on how this money 213 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 3: can be accessed and withdrawn. 214 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 5: And what I was told was that I could access 215 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 5: my money. What the government put on the stand is 216 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 5: that David Randall, who's the executive director for the Deferred 217 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 5: Compensation Fund for Baltimore City, he said all you needed 218 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 5: to do was suffer a fifty dollars adversity and you 219 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 5: could access your money. Seven hundred and thirty nine people 220 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 5: in the city of Baltimore did the exact same thing 221 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 5: that I did. And I'm the only person in America 222 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 5: that has now been targeted, prosecuted, and convicted of doing 223 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 5: this and facing forty years in jail. 224 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this part, but it's 225 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 3: actually in the United States. Overall, thirty five thousand people 226 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 3: did the same thing withdrawing from their retirement accounts. None 227 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 3: of them were prosecuted either, And I think that's an 228 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 3: important part of the thing that I think we got 229 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 3: to be mindful of today and on this show, is 230 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 3: Marilyn is still facing forty years in prison. 231 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 1: Hers. 232 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's facing forty years in prison. Her sentencing is 233 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 3: on May twenty third. The judge, who, frankly, again this 234 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 3: is not Marilyn talking. This is me, to be very clear, 235 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 3: the judge who ruled against her defense team and mostly 236 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: on every motion and mostly on every objection, is responsible 237 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: for her sentencing. She cannot prosecute this case on air 238 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: or anywhere else because the judge could use that against her. 239 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 3: And so I think we've got to be mindful about 240 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 3: what we're saying and how we're saying it. What you're 241 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 3: saying is one thousand percent true, but she is a 242 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 3: former prosecutor and. 243 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 4: She can't prosecute her. 244 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: Let me ask a question. 245 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 4: Right from a protector standpoint, we just got baking mincs that. 246 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: So from what I'm hearing is as and you could 247 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: clarify this. So it's pretty much saying, Hey, the Feds 248 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: don't like her, and we're gonna find anything possible We 249 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: can to shut her down. 250 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: You feel like you were targeted. 251 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 5: Well, it's not just the FEDS, right, Like Angela has 252 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 5: already outlined, it was the prior administration. So that's Trump's administration. 253 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 5: That was very clear when I prosecuted those offices in 254 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 5: Freddie Gray, he said, I think she ought to prosecute herself. 255 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 5: William Barr, which was his attorney general, called out Baltimore 256 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 5: called out a number of other progressive what he said 257 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 5: were social justice reform prosecutors that were negating and diminishing 258 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 5: the rule of law. He said at a press conference 259 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 5: in February of twenty twenty. We will do anything to 260 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 5: any jurisdiction. The Department of Justice will do anything we 261 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 5: need to to ensure any jurisdiction or any individual politician 262 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 5: is conforming with the rule of law. They opened up 263 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 5: an investigation into me in October. The moment that Leo 264 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 5: Wise became the individual with the pattern of discriminatory investigation 265 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 5: against people of color came they opened that investigation. And 266 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 5: this is all related to this prior administration. What has 267 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 5: who has the power now to do something about that 268 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 5: is this administration. And that's where Angela can tell you 269 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 5: about what we have going on. 270 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 3: I think the difficult part here is there's something very 271 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 3: simple that the Biden administration could have done at the outset, 272 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 3: and that is to review all of the Department of 273 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 3: Justice cases that were currently open, particularly in the Public 274 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 3: Corruption Unit. The reason for that is we know, because 275 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 3: he said it on air all the time, that he 276 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 3: would target and prosecute his political enemies. We also know 277 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 3: that he would pardon people before they were even charged 278 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 3: with anything if they were his friends. So it seems 279 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 3: to me that common sense would have been for the 280 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: Attorney General Merrit Garland, to say, let me take a 281 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 3: look at these cases. We have another friend, of course, 282 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 3: the co host of National Native Lampard, Andrew Gillum, who 283 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 3: was acquitted from federal charges but was under the same 284 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 3: it was the same circumstances. These prosecutors who are career 285 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 3: but are very political again Leo Wise, who donated to 286 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 3: Maryland's political opponents. 287 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 4: There's a clear conflict. 288 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: Ask your question, miss Yeah. Now you compare all the 289 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: time and you talk about the body and administration and 290 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: how you hate when Charlemagne sometimes goes against them because 291 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, you know, how they should be helping out people, 292 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: right and you go hard for the body and administration. 293 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 4: You reading the comments, so you go. 294 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 3: Against the other side. I should say, I absolutely, I will. 295 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 3: I will always apply them if they're doing something right. 296 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 3: To be fair, I'm not against them. 297 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: I'm now in a situation of what's right right. It's 298 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: clear what's right, what they should be doing that's right, 299 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: and they don't do the right thing. How do you 300 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: feel about the Biden administration now? 301 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 4: Well, I think that they need to be challenged. 302 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: The thing that I think that we have to remember 303 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 3: as black people in this country is there's never been 304 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 3: an administration that we didn't have to push and challenge 305 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 3: to do the right thing for us. I think that 306 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 3: this is an administration that actually owes Maryland. 307 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 4: And the reason for that is when Joe. 308 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 3: Biden was being called crime Bill Joe, or Kamala Harris 309 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 3: was being called the top cop, Marilyn went out and said, 310 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 3: let me make sure y'all understand that I modeled my 311 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: prosecutorial office after Kamalai. 312 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 4: She went, he wasn't a prosecutor, Leonard. I understand you. 313 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 2: Use him as a reference. I'm just saying how people think. 314 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 3: Like anyway, The point is during the campaign. She stumped 315 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 3: for them when Kamala had a bill on how they 316 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 3: were gonna review recreational marijuana. Maryland was testifying before the 317 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 3: stay sent it. Because she was a forefront leader here. 318 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that this is a political quid pro quote. 319 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 3: I'm saying, you owe it to justice to do the 320 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 3: right thing. You owe it to Maryland to protect her 321 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 3: and insulate her. Not just for Maryland, but for every 322 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 3: prosecutor who followed suit after Kamala Madame vice President, after 323 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 3: Kim Fox, Rachel like all of these black women prosecutors 324 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 3: are now under attack. That is not by an accident, 325 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 3: that is by design. They are trying to ensure that 326 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 3: other folks do not come forward and pursue progressive. 327 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 4: Justice in the ways that they have. 328 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 3: These are the things that create DEI equitable opportunities for 329 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:41,719 Speaker 3: our folks. 330 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 4: If we don't do it this way. 331 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 3: We end up overly incarcerated and under employed, under like, 332 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 3: not having the opportunities we deserve. 333 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: I don't Boden forgot, Does he not remember all these things? 334 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: Reach to them now? 335 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 3: You know we're reaching out to so we have a 336 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 3: petition out on the Color Change platform. Can also go 337 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 3: to Justice for Marilyn Moseby dot com and there you 338 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 3: will find this petition. 339 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 4: It is to President Biden. There are letters that are 340 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 4: going out. 341 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 3: There's a civil rights organization letter that just went out yesterday. 342 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 3: That is important for people to understand. This isn't just 343 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 3: some random people like coming together for Maryland. All of 344 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 3: the community is saying no, no, nah, this is the right 345 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 3: thing to do. Ben Crump has been a very vocal advocate, 346 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 3: and you know he's very supportive of the Biden Harris administration. 347 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 3: I think what we have to understand is it may 348 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 3: not be on his radar. He does have a genocide 349 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 3: that he's you know, watching and. 350 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 4: Having to engage it. I'm I'm saying I agree with that. 351 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 3: And this was asked of Kareine Jean Pierre at last 352 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 3: week's White House press briefing. You saw April Ryan ask 353 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 3: about it. It is on his radar now and so 354 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 3: now you can review the facts. Some of the pushback 355 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 3: has been that Maryland didn't fill out a part and application. 356 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 3: We were initially advised that the part and application didn't 357 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 3: apply to her because she hasn't been through a five 358 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 3: year waiting period from the sentencing or been. 359 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 4: Incarcerated for five years. 360 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 3: The president, per the Constitution, has broad discretion on when 361 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 3: he can issue a pardon, and so we're going to 362 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 3: fill out the application, but also we expect a pardon. 363 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 6: Why do we expect them to do the right thing 364 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 6: when you know the indictment against you came under a 365 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 6: Democratic US attorney, right Eric Eric Baron, and it's been 366 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 6: handled by a Biden nominated judge who is Lydia Kate Grigsby. 367 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 6: So why do you expect the Biden administration to do 368 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 6: the right thing? Our Democrats to do the. 369 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 4: Right She can't answer that. I would say to you this. 370 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 3: Please remember that these investigations began when Donald Trump was 371 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 3: in office. Please note that this absolutely should have fallen 372 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 3: on the Department of Justice. Tip again, go through these cases, 373 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 3: what are they really about? 374 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 4: The fact that there are black. 375 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 3: Appointees doing things that they think will preserve their appointment 376 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 3: is not surprising. We have black folks like that in 377 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 3: corporate America all over the place that are like, what 378 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 3: can I do to make sure I'm below the radar? 379 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 4: That's what is giving. 380 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 3: And I think the other thing that we need to 381 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: note here is this judge was also appointed by President Obama, 382 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 3: but she was in claims court. She has never touched 383 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 3: a criminal case before this one. Her very first criminal 384 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 3: trial was Marilynd's case. She was not prepared. I'm not 385 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 3: coming at this woman's qualifications, but she is a civil litigator, 386 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,239 Speaker 3: like even when she worked on Capitol Hill. I think 387 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 3: the other thing that's interesting from a timeline perspective is 388 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 3: Eric barn and Lydia Griggsby just so happened to be 389 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 3: working on Capitol Hill together on the same committee. 390 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 4: It's called the Senate Judiciary Committee. 391 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 3: I just found that out that to me is also 392 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 3: an apparent conflict. So maybe she should have recused herself. 393 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 3: There are a number of reasons and grounds for appeal. 394 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 3: Maybe you can talk more about that, But I think 395 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 3: in terms of the politics of this, they're very tricky, 396 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 3: very interesting. It's made for a movie, honestly, but the 397 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 3: reality of it is this investigation began under Donald Trump, 398 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 3: and we have to acknowledge that some of these prosecutors 399 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 3: should be dismissed because they have political ambitions, political intentions, 400 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: political motives that actually end up causing graveheart in target. 401 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 6: I mean, follow up, then, why do we expect Biden 402 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 6: to do the right thing when he's received nearly a 403 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 6: thousand pardon petitions during his term but was only granded 404 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 6: twenty four. 405 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a good question. 406 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 3: I think all we can do is hope for people 407 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 3: to do the right thing. You know, I don't know 408 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 3: if you have a different Please, this can be an 409 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 3: emotional plea. 410 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 5: I mean it's I think that we have to come together. 411 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 5: I mean, I think this is the right thing to do. 412 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 5: I mean, we know that I've been targeted as a 413 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 5: result of the policies in my attempts to balance the 414 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 5: skills of justice. There's no other reason. They were looking 415 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 5: for any way to bring me down, and this was 416 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 5: the only thing that they felt like could stick. And 417 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 5: if we understood our power, we demanding. This is an 418 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 5: election year, guys, you need communities of color in order 419 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 5: to win this election. Again, a man that is touting 420 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 5: regression as making America great again, we've already seen the 421 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 5: type of destruction that he can impose on our country. 422 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 5: And if we don't wake up and we don't stand 423 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 5: for me. And I'm not saying this from a perspective 424 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 5: of yes, I need the support. I'm facing forty years 425 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 5: I have a thirteen and a fifteen year old daughter 426 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 5: that I don't want to be separated from. But this 427 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 5: is so much bigger than me. This is exactly what 428 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 5: Angelas said. This is about Kim Fox, This is about 429 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 5: Aaron miss Ayala. This is about Monique Wrrel, This is 430 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 5: about Tish James, This is about Fannie Willis. This is 431 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 5: about so many of us who have stood in the 432 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 5: line of fire, sacrificed ourselves, sacrificed our careers, sacrificed our 433 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 5: lives to do what's right, to equalize and to represent 434 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 5: the ideals of what this country is supposed to represent. 435 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: Do the people support you? Do the people in Baltimore 436 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 1: support you? Or they have an understanding. The reason I 437 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: ask is when people sometimes see state attorney automatically think, oh, well, 438 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: she prosecutes so many people, so let I handle herself right, 439 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: And the problem with that is you have so many 440 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: people that that will feel like state attorneys do to it. 441 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: A lot of times do the same thing that they're 442 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: doing to you, right, They feel like a lot of 443 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: times people get accused of things that they necessarily don't 444 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: do it. But a lot of times I'm sure, like yourself, 445 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: you don't have the opportunity. You can't go war for war. 446 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: You don't have the same type of war chests as 447 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: the state government has. There's no way in hell if 448 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: you don't have some pro bono there's no way that 449 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: you could possibly fight them because you and millions of 450 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: lawyer fees and most people can't. So what do they 451 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: usually do? They plea out and they have to do time. 452 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: You know that they're innocent. I'm sure they went in 453 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: your bank accounts, and I'm sure they close some of 454 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: your bank accounts because as soon as they go in 455 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,239 Speaker 1: your banking account, the bank talk about they don't want 456 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: to do it anymore. They close your accounts. You got 457 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: to move money from money to money to money. You 458 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: can't even get a up if you wanted to even 459 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: buy a car, you probably couldn't even get a car 460 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: lolong because they're not going to prove you with a 461 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: car and your credit is all jacked up. So for 462 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: people out there that feel like they've been through it 463 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: and they haven't had the voice that you've had, what 464 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: do you say to those people to make sure that 465 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: they understand that you weren't that type of attorney. I 466 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: don't know if you were you weren't. 467 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 5: So I think the people of Baltimore recognized that I 468 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 5: was not that typical sort of case processing attorney that 469 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 5: was thinking about only convictions. The mantra of my office 470 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 5: was justice over convictions, and that was something that I 471 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 5: took to heart. You know. I went to over three 472 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 5: thousand community association churches and schools throughout my tenure. I 473 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 5: had the first crime Control and Prevention division out of 474 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 5: a state Attorney's office where we touched more than twenty 475 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 5: thousand young people. Throughout my tenure. There were so many things. 476 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 5: I had community liaisons and representatives in the community. There 477 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 5: were so many things that I understood and recognized that 478 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 5: you have to be able to break down those barriers 479 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 5: of distrust. 480 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 6: Right. 481 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 5: We touched fifty two thousand victims and witnesses of crime. 482 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 5: We renovated the victim witness from There were so many 483 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 5: things that we did, and I think that fundamentally the 484 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 5: people of Baltimore understood that I was a different type 485 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 5: of prosecutor. It was justice over convictions. When you have 486 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 5: conservative media, right, and bias media that villainize you day 487 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 5: in and day out, twenty four hours a day. The 488 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 5: only thing that they're focusing on is you and they're 489 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 5: comparing you. Oh, this is just yet another corrupt Baltimore politician, 490 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 5: or better yet, just another black Baltimore City criminal. Right. 491 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 5: They put that into the minds of individuals, and they 492 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 5: did this for years upon years, and I couldn't say 493 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 5: anything about it because there was a gag order, right, 494 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 5: and I couldn't even defend myself. So, yes, the people 495 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 5: of Baltimore, a number of them have been hoodwinked. Right, 496 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 5: Malcolm X said it, like, you don't pay attention to 497 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 5: media will have you hate and the oppressed and loving 498 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 5: the oppressor. And so at the end of the day, 499 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 5: the one thing I can say, and yes, this has 500 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 5: been extremely isolating and painful because I did sacrifice so 501 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 5: much of myself to do what was right. But I 502 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 5: feel grateful because God even the conditions on top of 503 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 5: the federal government coming for me. Right, Like, I've had 504 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 5: to go through heartbreak and betrayal. I've lost everything from 505 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 5: my reputation, my election, my career, my marriage. It was 506 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 5: in a twenty five year relationship I had to walk 507 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 5: away from, Like my car. My grandmother is in hospice 508 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 5: right now. She raised me. There was so many other 509 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 5: sort of elements of like what is this God right? 510 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 5: But at the same time, I'm grateful because he brought 511 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 5: and the people that I loved unconditionally showed me the 512 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 5: conditions of their love. And at my lowest, at my lowest, 513 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 5: it was me and God, it was me and God. 514 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 5: I was walking out. The most sobering moment for me 515 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 5: was in the courtroom when I turned around that first 516 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 5: trial and I wanted to shield my girl, so I 517 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,239 Speaker 5: didn't bring them. They see enough. My kids have been 518 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 5: confronted in school and they're like, are cruel? That's why 519 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 5: your mother's going to jail, right, And it's affected them. 520 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 5: So the first trial I was like, Okay, I'm gonna 521 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 5: get through this. And the most sobering moment was when 522 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 5: I turned around and there was nobody in the courtroom 523 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 5: and I prayed on it and I said, God, what 524 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 5: is this? And I came out. Media's asking me, what 525 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 5: are you? How you feel? How you feel? I feel blessed. 526 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 5: I feel blessed. And what I realized is that God 527 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 5: was with me. My angel guides were with me, my 528 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 5: ancestors are with me. I didn't need anybody. But that 529 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 5: second trial let me tell you, he sent perfect strangers 530 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 5: into my life. My mother and father didn't even show 531 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 5: up to trial, right, that was so sobering for me. 532 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 5: But he sent perfect strangers in my life that advocated 533 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 5: for me, that I referred to as my Earth angels 534 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 5: that I've taken on this cause. You know, Angela has 535 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 5: been phenomenal using her platform. I have local supporters Sheena 536 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:05,239 Speaker 5: and so Sylvia and Bill and Tyrone and Hakey and 537 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 5: people who submitting. Let me tell you that second trial, 538 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 5: they were there. They got charter buses, they rolled up, 539 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 5: they were not playing. They were there every single day. 540 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 5: They've been on the radio advocating for me, and that 541 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 5: second trial. I brought my girls because I wanted them 542 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 5: to see, like all that we've gone through, you know, 543 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 5: and trying to just figure out how I'm gonna live, 544 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 5: like when you deplete your savings and I still have 545 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 5: a mortgage and now I have rent because I don't 546 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 5: have the house that I was living in in Like, 547 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 5: I brought my girls because I wanted them to see 548 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 5: what it feels like to have faith right and to 549 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 5: see strength in the face of adversity. 550 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 6: What do you say to people who say the government 551 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 6: said what the government told the jury that you lied 552 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 6: on mortgage applications, and they said that you knew what 553 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 6: you submitted was not true, but you did it anyway, 554 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 6: seven times on two sets of loan paperwork, in part 555 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 6: the hight tax that can get a lower interest rate. 556 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 5: It was so ridiculous. I mean, that allegation, all of it. 557 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 5: If you were in the courtroom and sitting in the 558 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 5: courtroom and being on the stand, I literally and I 559 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 5: didn't want to come off as obnoxious or anything, but 560 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 5: I'm making my own objections, like, Okay, well that was 561 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,959 Speaker 5: asked and answered, but I'll go ahead and answer. They 562 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 5: didn't even know that I didn't. I wasn't the one 563 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 5: that filled out the mortgage application. My mortgage broker did. 564 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 5: Didn't find that out until we're sitting there in trial. 565 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: Wow. 566 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 5: I mean, there's so many We have a great basis 567 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 5: for an appeal on so many different grounds, and my 568 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 5: attorneys feel extremely confident on that basis. But in the interim, right, 569 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 5: we can't appeal until after I'm sentenced. In seventeen days, 570 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 5: I'll be sentenced and I'm facing forty years in jail. 571 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 2: The mortgage broker admitted to that yeah. 572 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 5: The mortgage broker. She's reviewed, Angela has reviewed the trial transcripts. 573 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: They don't want the mortgage broker though. 574 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 5: They didn't matter, none of them. 575 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 3: And I'm not suggesting that the government prosecuted him, but 576 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 3: are grounds for prosecuting mortgage brokers. It's just it's fascinating 577 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 3: to me that they only went after Maryland. 578 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 4: And I think the. 579 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 3: Bigger issue is the Feds actually lied in their indictment. 580 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 4: Correct, they actually lied because they. 581 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,959 Speaker 3: Say in there that she used a gift from her 582 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 3: husband at the time, Nick to secure a lower interest rate. 583 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 4: How about the interest rate was locked three weeks before. 584 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: That, So did you feel out the application the interest 585 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: rates lot? 586 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 3: So what are we talking about? So what are we 587 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 3: talking about? And that was a suggestion by her broker. 588 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 3: So all of that is incorrect. And they didn't even 589 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 3: have to like come to account for that. They didn't 590 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 3: have to modify the indictment. So there are several things 591 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 3: that they've done that are wrong, that are unethical. Right, 592 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 3: I think that we should be looking into filing complaints 593 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 3: with the Office of Professional Responsibility at the United States 594 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 3: Department of Justice because a lot of this is unethical. 595 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 3: It's about scoring points on the board, and they don't. 596 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 3: So some folks would say, well, why are you focusing 597 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 3: on a part in it, not just ensuring that she 598 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 3: doesn't do any prison time If Marylynd, if this conviction stands, 599 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 3: Marilyn loses her law license. If you don't think that's 600 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 3: what those white boys want, you're in for a root awakening. 601 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 4: That's all they want. 602 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 5: They don't, and they've wanted it for a long time. 603 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 4: They've wanted it since pretty gray. 604 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 5: They've actually filed an emergency petition to immediately suspend my 605 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,719 Speaker 5: law license. And this was before my second trial, right, Like, 606 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 5: you don't typically do that from a bar council until 607 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 5: after you've been sentenced. But they're setting a precedence in 608 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 5: my particular case where they want to immediately provoke my 609 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 5: law license and break me. 610 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 6: You know, between the Mortgane broker admitting that he was 611 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 6: the one who filled out the application and then even 612 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 6: your ex husband he blamed himself for your legal troubles. 613 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 5: So the one thing I will say, I'm you know, 614 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 5: clearly I was in a twenty five year relationship and 615 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 5: this brought out a lot of information that I didn't 616 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 5: no right, and it brought a huge chasm between our 617 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 5: relationship finance the number finances, definitely, and I can just 618 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 5: say that, you know, and like this was my college sweetheart, right, 619 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 5: Like I've been with my husband since I was eighteen 620 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 5: years old. And then the tragedy of like having the 621 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 5: disillusion of your marriage be in a federal courtroom where 622 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 5: I'm sitting on the opposite side being referred to as 623 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 5: the defendant as a result of some of the lies 624 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 5: that he told me. So, yeah, this has been painful. 625 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 5: This is incredibly painful. 626 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 6: But if he admitted in a courtroom, which he did, 627 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 6: that he did it was his fault. He blames the 628 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 6: legal troubles on your legal troubles on him. And then 629 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 6: he please played did he plead guilty? 630 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 5: No? No, no, no, my parents they didn't charge him. 631 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 2: They want him. 632 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 5: They wanted me, right, they wanted me. 633 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 2: I don't understand. 634 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 5: So, but the jury acquitted all the other ridiculous allegations 635 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 5: that they were making about me and all these you know, 636 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 5: other seven ledge false statements, which it's not false statements, 637 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 5: Like I said, they didn't even realize that I wasn't 638 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 5: the one that filled out the application form, you know, 639 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 5: as a result of his testimony, the jury acquitted me 640 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 5: on all of those charges. And I think that the 641 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 5: jury in the end compromised. And I don't want to 642 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 5: get too far into it, but like on all of 643 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 5: those other allegations, they said not guilty on six of 644 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 5: them and then came back with this. 645 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 3: But they're not allowed to know how much time goes 646 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 3: is attached to each charge, So that one charge is 647 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 3: thirty years. That one charge the the payment basically the 648 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 3: earnest money gift from Nick because it was Maryland's money money. 649 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 4: They make it seem like there's. 650 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 3: Some elaborate money laundering ski currently look at what the 651 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 3: what the Feds put forth, that's not it at all. 652 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 3: Like how many folks your spouse transfers you money on 653 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 3: cash app you like, forget you, then I'm mad at 654 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 3: you today and you send it back. 655 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 4: That ain't money laundering. 656 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 3: And if someone says I'm gonna this is actually gonna 657 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 3: be advantageous for you to go about it this way 658 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 3: because I can't utilize this money from this other account 659 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 3: with you because you share it with your daughter, she's 660 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 3: a miner. We can't take this money. How about your 661 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 3: husband do it? Marylyn Is like, okay, still preserving her marriage. 662 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 3: She's like, just in case he ain't got the money, 663 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 3: let me make sure he. 664 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 4: Got the money. 665 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 3: That is not a crime, even withdrawing money from your 666 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 3: own retirement account is not a crime. Somehow they've created 667 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 3: this narrative, this fictional narrative that makes her seem like 668 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 3: a criminal, so that they can undermine her legacy, undermine 669 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 3: the work that she did as a progressive prosecutor, and 670 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 3: shame black women in this role, and most importantly, go 671 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 3: after her law license. 672 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 2: What about the perjury charge? 673 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 5: The perjury is related to me withdrawing the funds from 674 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 5: the COVID provision. Again, there's no basirement from my retirement account. Like, 675 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 5: they have not prosecuted or used this provision for anyone else, 676 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 5: as Angela has already indicated, I didn't even realized thirty 677 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 5: five thousand people in America have done the same thing 678 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 5: under this provision. The person in Baltimore City. I told 679 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 5: you seven hundred and thirty nine people did that in 680 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 5: the city of Baltimore. I am the only person in America, 681 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 5: in America that has been investigated, prosecuted, and now convicted. 682 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 3: The thing to know about this too is the perjury 683 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 3: is about saying she experienced an adverse financial consequence. That 684 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 3: is Maryland's to know. And the problem is this judge again, 685 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 3: this is not Maryland talking, this is me. She told 686 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 3: the jury to rely on their own common sense. It 687 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 3: is in the court transcripts. That's not a jury instruction. 688 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 3: She told the jury that it is defined in the 689 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 3: Cares Act. An adverse financial consequence is defined in the 690 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 3: Cares Act. It is not is defined as an adverse 691 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 3: financial consequence. And as someone who has written legislation on 692 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,359 Speaker 3: the hill, we ain't got time to define everything. So 693 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 3: you got to give them what the parameters are for 694 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 3: that in the jury instructures. 695 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 4: That is your obligation as the judge. 696 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 3: The worst thing I think about this is for Maryland 697 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 3: to have experienced an adverse financial consequences doesn't mean that 698 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 3: her salary took a hit, which is what DJ was 699 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 3: trying to tie. You're so change, yeah, right, But that's 700 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 3: not the case. It could be that she had to 701 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 3: start taking care of another family member who experienced hardship, 702 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 3: who was laid off, who was fur loughed, and we 703 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 3: all had those family members who were we all were like, 704 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 3: what is going to happen. It was a very scary time. 705 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 3: Mind you, all the members of Congress who were withdrawing 706 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 3: their same salaries but could get PPP loans, they weren't prosecuted, 707 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 3: and we not even talk about PPP Governor Hogan. This 708 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 3: brings me back to my point from five minutes ago. 709 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 3: Governor Hogan gave the Feds money to prosecute fraud related 710 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 3: to the Cares Act. 711 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 4: You want to know when he did it? Shortly after 712 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:40,760 Speaker 4: Maryland was indicted. 713 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 3: That was by design so that they could ensure that 714 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 3: they did whatever they needed to lock her up. They 715 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 3: literally targeted that money to Cares Act related fraud. 716 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 2: So if you receive at a part in Maryland, what 717 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 2: do you do moving forward? 718 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm able to live my life again. I'm 719 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 5: able to continue to fight for justice. I mean, this 720 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 5: is I don't know for let me tell you right now, 721 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 5: I'm a little jaded and right now at this moment, 722 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 5: but I'm not going to stop fighting for for for 723 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 5: justice and fighting for what's right in this country. I 724 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 5: think you know that for me, it is a calling. 725 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 5: So I just want to be able to to live again. 726 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 5: I want to be able to to be with my 727 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 5: babies and well they're not babies, my teenagers, and establish 728 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,919 Speaker 5: my life again like I deserve to live. I think 729 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,760 Speaker 5: i've I've sacrificed a lot to ensure that the skills 730 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 5: of justice are fair. 731 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 2: So what's the call to action? What do you what 732 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 2: do we need people to do? 733 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 3: We need people to sign this petition. Where is it 734 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 3: that it's on Justice from Maryland Moseby dot com. The 735 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 3: petition is calling on President Biden to issue a pardon, 736 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 3: to do the right thing, because sometimes even good people 737 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,959 Speaker 3: need to be called to account and to be asked 738 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 3: to do the right thing. So we'll keep doing it, Leonard, 739 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 3: not today, not on this, not in the call to action. 740 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 3: And I think the other thing that's important for people 741 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 3: to do is to spread the word. 742 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 4: Talk about this case. 743 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 3: If you know that this is ridiculous, that someone is 744 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 3: facing forty years in prison, one for something they didn't do, 745 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 3: but especially something around around withdrawing money from their own 746 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 3: retirement account, speak up because if we don't, it could 747 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 3: happen to any of us. That is the point. So 748 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 3: I think those are the two calls to action for 749 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 3: those who our listeners. Justice from Marilyn moosby dot com. 750 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 3: Sign that part in petition, and also make sure that 751 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 3: you're sharing this story. 752 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 6: I have faith in God, none in the Biden administration, 753 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 6: but it would be the right thing for them to do. 754 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: We appreciate you for sharing your story. They're about to argue, 755 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:44,439 Speaker 1: so let them argue. 756 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 6: Faith in God, but none in the Biden administration, but 757 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 6: it would be the right thing for them to do. 758 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 2: So hopefully God can move some hearts. 759 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, and sometimes and I know you've probably heard it 760 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: so much, and I know you probably hate hearing it, 761 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 1: but you know, somebody told me actually a couple months ago, 762 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: that sometimes God does that we don't understand and puse 763 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: people out of our life at the right time because 764 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: it could have got a lot worse. So that I 765 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: always think about things like that when things happen like this, 766 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,479 Speaker 1: because that's the reason why. And there's no answer to why, 767 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: but maybe that is your why, you know. 768 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 5: No, And I appreciate that the one thing that, like 769 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 5: I said, I got closer, this whole sort of crucible 770 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 5: made me wiser, stronger, and more empowered in my faith. 771 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 5: And I recognize that God will give his toughest battle 772 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 5: to his strongest soldiers, right, and so I'm so grateful. 773 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 5: That's why I started it with expressing my gratitude because like, 774 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 5: I've been at my lowest and he's gotten me through 775 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 5: and I'm still here and I'm still standing, and I 776 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,879 Speaker 5: know that he will have the final say right at 777 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 5: the end of the day, and he does not forsake 778 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 5: the righteous, and I know that I've done nothing wrong, 779 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 5: and at the end of the day, I'm just I surrender. 780 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 5: I know who's in control. 781 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 2: Let's put it out there with the website again. 782 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 4: Www dot Justice for Maryland. Mosby dot co. 783 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: Signed the petitions, right, It's Marilyn Moseby. It's the Breakfast Club. 784 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: Good morning, wake that ass up in the morning for 785 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:07,760 Speaker 1: Breakfast Club.