Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 1: Dundun, Hello and welcome to That's Messed Up and SVU podcast. Wow,
Speaker 1: I sound like a newscaster. I'm Kara Lank, I'm one
Speaker 1: of your hosts, and I'm Lee's the trigger with the
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Speaker 1: cold Tuesday morning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's we're excited.
Speaker 1: We talk sview true crime and I do have huge news.
Speaker 3: I did beat Super Mario three. I did beat it Donna.
Speaker 2: The quest that started when I was a child finished
Speaker 2: decades later.
Speaker 1: Do you feel a little bit like there's something missing
Speaker 1: in your life now?
Speaker 2: No, I feel so excited. I beat it like it
Speaker 2: I like beating Bowser. Felt so good and it was hard.
Speaker 2: Like the fact of the matter is in that final Castle,
Speaker 2: there is like a secret life that you can get
Speaker 2: so like you're not gonna lose lives.
Speaker 3: You have enough.
Speaker 2: It took me dozens of times like Bowser in that
Speaker 2: final one is really hard.
Speaker 3: It was for me at least, but I did it.
Speaker 2: And then the prize you get when you beat it
Speaker 2: is it starts over and you get unlimited pee wings,
Speaker 2: And a peewing is a thing that you can use.
Speaker 2: It's like a special thing where it's a permanent wing.
Speaker 2: You don't have to run to fly. You could just fly.
Speaker 2: You just fly, and so you get to like if
Speaker 2: something's really hard, you can miss it. So then I
Speaker 2: played the game with unlimited pee wings, being strategic.
Speaker 3: Of course you need a hammer.
Speaker 1: Suit sometimes, but I beat it like so fast, like
Speaker 1: I a YouTube person, like I you were a YouTube person,
Speaker 1: you were on Twitch, people were watching you, they were
Speaker 1: tipping you.
Speaker 2: It was like I just was never in a zone
Speaker 2: like that where I just was dominating. And maybe it
Speaker 2: was the cockiness, Like I was cocky too because I
Speaker 2: had just beat it and now I have unlimited pee
Speaker 2: wings a lot like I just I just felt, uh,
Speaker 2: that's amazing the world. So now I started, Yes, so
Speaker 2: what She's Island?
Speaker 3: I started?
Speaker 1: Yoshi's Island's so funny because Rosie, you know, I told
Speaker 1: you we have Super Nintendo, the little one that comes
Speaker 1: loaded with all the games. Rosie's been playing Yoshi's Island
Speaker 1: with Jared and Kirby. She loves Kirby. I love Kirby,
Speaker 1: but learning a whole new universe seems hard to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's not really.
Speaker 1: I mean she's like he's just teaching her how to play,
Speaker 1: and it's really cute, like and Yoshi's Island was like
Speaker 1: I love the little sound when Yoshi sticks out his
Speaker 1: tongue and it's like like, I don't I'm not doing
Speaker 1: it right. But like I was watching them play and
Speaker 1: it was really cute. And I had not really known
Speaker 1: about Yoshi's Island. So look, everyone's playing. I have Rosie
Speaker 1: once again connected, I know. But also do you like
Speaker 1: the baby Mario? Like Yoshi has a little baby Mario
Speaker 1: on him. Yeah, but also I never saw this before
Speaker 1: because I don't remember. Yoshi can shoot out eggs like
Speaker 1: Rosie kept like Jared Keper it's Jed pressed down, poop
Speaker 1: out an egg and Rosie was like, yes.
Speaker 3: I'm doing it. Like I was like, what's happening?
Speaker 2: They get eggs? It's really it's it is silly, for sure.
Speaker 2: I'm stuck on a really hard level though. So I
Speaker 2: did buy the new Mario Mario. Otis wonder Mario. I
Speaker 2: hate it the new game. There's so much reading, you
Speaker 2: just keep having to go a like I don't want
Speaker 2: to read.
Speaker 3: I don't want to read.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm ever a reader, even with board games and stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm always like, let's just start and figure it out.
Speaker 1: Like I kind of like hate like all of the this.
Speaker 1: Stop for a second and read this whole disclaimer before
Speaker 1: we go on, Like I hate it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to read.
Speaker 2: But yosha, I can't believe Rosie's playing. I gotta play
Speaker 2: with Rosie.
Speaker 3: I want to play. Oh, she's eland come play on
Speaker 3: our little super Nintendo. Yeah, I'm stuck on this. I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't get out of this deep gem world. I
Speaker 3: don't know. Oh.
Speaker 2: Also, so I was in Portland opening up for my
Speaker 2: friend Matteo, who's killing it.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's so famous.
Speaker 2: I said his name to the hotel clerk because I
Speaker 2: was going to go up to his hotel room, and
Speaker 2: the clerk next to her went gasped. And we went
Speaker 2: out to eat, and you could just tell the servers
Speaker 2: are just like smiling, they are gooning in the tricksy
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 3: It is really fun.
Speaker 2: People get really excited to see him. His crowds are great,
Speaker 2: but you hate indoor pools. Yeah, let me tell you,
Speaker 2: I think you'd like the one at the Ritz Carlton
Speaker 2: in Portland.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you well, I don't think I've ever been
Speaker 1: to an indoor Ritz Carlton pool. I'm talking indoor pools, dude.
Speaker 2: It's on the nineteenth floor and then the whole there's
Speaker 2: no ceiling. It's all windows. You see the mountains of
Speaker 2: port I've never seen Portland so beautiful. Okall glass shining
Speaker 2: in It is an infinity pool still too, so it
Speaker 2: looks like it's just the myning.
Speaker 3: And of course a hota. But the ceilings were so high.
Speaker 2: I took a video for you, and I made Mateo
Speaker 2: take photos because I was like, I have to show
Speaker 2: care of this indoor pool.
Speaker 3: We got to make it to the Ritz, like we
Speaker 3: got it.
Speaker 1: We got one of these days Portland, buy no ticket,
Speaker 1: just kidding.
Speaker 2: We don't even have a date in Portland right now.
Speaker 2: But also, but the dining was too high up. We're like,
Speaker 2: do you I want to just get dessert after the show?
Speaker 2: I go, you know, I'd love to split a cheesecake.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: But it was like mushroom fung guy Ice scream in
Speaker 1: champagne glitters like, oh no, no, we had like a
Speaker 1: pumpkin thing with noodle leath. It's just like we weren't
Speaker 1: in the mood for fine dining, which if we were,
Speaker 1: maybe we wouldn't be.
Speaker 2: But it felt like the menu. It felt like the
Speaker 2: menu the way we were talked to, like that.
Speaker 1: Movie, yes, yes, yes, Oh my god, when you were like,
Speaker 1: hopefully and they're not going to murder me, that's.
Speaker 3: Amazing and that sounds so fun. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: I just I'm so happy for Matteo all the success
Speaker 1: he's found. You know, he and I used to just
Speaker 1: go to dinner and speak Italian together.
Speaker 3: Yes, of course, I love that came up, that came up.
Speaker 3: I'm always like, I'm oa like I love him so much.
Speaker 1: But I wait, can I just really randomly change the
Speaker 1: subject because I wanted to say something that just came
Speaker 1: to my attention from some viewers of some listeners. Yeah,
Speaker 1: remember how we just covered surveillance a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: Zoe Deschanel, the stuff, Okay, so not shoe, Come on,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, sorry.
Speaker 3: Should I take that again? Sorry? Emily, No, you dis
Speaker 3: respected everyone hearing.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in my mistake, I said, Zoe. I met Emily.
Speaker 1: I met Emily de Chanel. Emily de Chanell, you know,
Speaker 1: the guy's stalking her. They go to an internet cafe
Speaker 1: and a little kid is like on the internet computer and.
Speaker 3: He's like what this guy was just sitting here.
Speaker 1: I'm just looking it is stuff and he's like looking,
Speaker 1: that's fucking Nicholas Braun, the guy who plays cousin Greg
Speaker 1: on Succession. Like you know, you know, I love IMDb.
Speaker 1: I love to look up everybody his little kid. His
Speaker 1: name's Nicholas Braun and in the show he's literally just
Speaker 1: billed as kid. Like it must have been one of
Speaker 1: his first roles of all time. And like literally I
Speaker 1: think he was in one team movie and then he
Speaker 1: was in his view.
Speaker 2: It's so funny because he has these big chipmunk cheeks
Speaker 2: in when he's a kid.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so cute. Oh my god. Well I
Speaker 1: haven't seen success I like Succession started almost twenty years later.
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen the first three episodes, so I
Speaker 1: know who the character is. We're in the time machine.
Speaker 1: Get the fuck over at anyone listening.
Speaker 2: But I think over the holiday break, maybe I'll get
Speaker 2: into Succession, maybe I'll just been.
Speaker 1: I want to try it again because I feel like
Speaker 1: I tried it right after I had Rosie, and I
Speaker 1: was like, these people are so evil and like this
Speaker 1: is not evil, but like I don't care about these
Speaker 1: people like selfish fucks. But I want to try it
Speaker 1: again because, like I mean, obviously I love Seinfeld and
Speaker 1: that's kind of the same promise. Well, you know what
Speaker 1: I really love is someone was telling me I read
Speaker 1: a whole article, not someone telling it was probably on Vulture,
Speaker 1: but it was about how in Succession nobody eats because
Speaker 1: eatings for poor people like the like they're so rich
Speaker 1: that the whole idea is like we can eat whenever
Speaker 1: food is abundant, so I don't need to eat this
Speaker 1: and they kind of judge people for eating at a
Speaker 1: party or an event like that's looked down upon. And
Speaker 1: I just thought that that is such attention to detail
Speaker 1: that this show must be out of this world, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, yeah, that is such character,
Speaker 1: that is impressive thought process, Like I gotta I gotta
Speaker 1: watch that now. I mean when it was ending, people
Speaker 1: were like one of the greatest shows of all time.
Speaker 3: I mean, like the acclaim for it. People were obsessed.
Speaker 1: I think I just caught it at the wrong time,
Speaker 1: like I just had a baby and was like, this
Speaker 1: is for me. But I'm looking right now on his
Speaker 1: little IMDb he was just in twenty twenty two the
Speaker 1: voice of someone named cousin Greg in a Simpsons episode.
Speaker 3: In an episode he is murder dude.
Speaker 2: I just found an article. It's a photo of him
Speaker 2: with Maloney. I'm sure all the listeners know, since they're
Speaker 2: the ones who told us, But he wrote it was
Speaker 2: a very exciting role I played, I think a character
Speaker 2: without a name, boy and Internet cafe because those existed
Speaker 2: at the time. He goes, I was looking at a
Speaker 2: video of a woman who got murdered or assaulted, because
Speaker 2: that's the show. And then Christopher Maloney and iced tea.
Speaker 2: I think, come and sit down. Why, yeah, we know
Speaker 2: all this, tell us we know the episode. Sure, so
Speaker 2: he said. Christopher Maloney didn't think that the kid was
Speaker 2: that he was getting scared enough because they were cops.
Speaker 2: So every time he would sit down, he would pinch
Speaker 2: him in the ribs. And he goes every take, and
Speaker 2: at the end of the day he thought he did
Speaker 2: badly because there were so many pinches. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: just I love that. That's such a good, little fine,
Speaker 2: a little easter. You know what I heard from our
Speaker 2: friend Lauren that you were talking about me at a
Speaker 2: party about how I won't shut up about Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3: Oh, from Lauren Cook. Yeah, well no, I said.
Speaker 1: I just said, like, somebody brought up Taylor Swift and
Speaker 1: I go, well, you guys know, Lisa's obsessed. Like I'm
Speaker 1: now a fan through osmosis, Like I like, I know
Speaker 1: every single thing that's going on with them because of Lisa.
Speaker 2: Well, there was a cheek kiss. They look cute. She
Speaker 2: touched his face with her hand.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 1: I mean, someone I know just posted like a screenshot
Speaker 1: of their Apple stories and it was like Gaza Ukraine
Speaker 1: cute cheek kiss between Taylor and Dress and it was
Speaker 1: like that those were the three top stories on Apple
Speaker 1: for the day.
Speaker 3: That's what we need.
Speaker 1: We need it, We need it. Look, the world is dark,
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on. We need a little cheek kiss.
Speaker 1: I think that this relationship couldn't have come at a
Speaker 1: better time for a lot of people.
Speaker 2: I am obsessed with Taylor, but we don't have to
Speaker 2: talk about her today. But also I've been so in
Speaker 2: my head about Taylor that I was with some people
Speaker 2: and Casey musk Graves started playing slow Burn and I went, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I like other people too.
Speaker 3: I were forgot, Yeah, I forgot.
Speaker 1: And so I listened to some Casey musk Graves and.
Speaker 3: Her voice is gorgeous.
Speaker 1: I mean, she is so good and she's a pothead,
Speaker 1: you know, so I do like that.
Speaker 3: I'd love to get I would love to get high
Speaker 3: with Casey. Must a little high with Casey.
Speaker 1: Okay, Wait, we have not talked in a little bit,
Speaker 1: and I know this is time machine. This is so old.
Speaker 1: We apologize, guys. Time machine days are behind us. We've
Speaker 1: not talked about the weed Dinner on Beverly Hills. Wow,
Speaker 1: thank you for bringing that up.
Speaker 2: I just We're obviously gonna talk about the Weed Dinner,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna be so happy about it. But I
Speaker 2: do want to say, LARSA. Pippen, your scum, your worst
Speaker 2: than scum. You are the worst person that's ever been
Speaker 2: on television, and I want, I want you off.
Speaker 3: I can't. I've never been so sickened.
Speaker 1: I literally yesterday got my hair colored by this. I
Speaker 1: was talking her for three hours and I kept bringing
Speaker 1: up Housewives and she I was like, wait, do you
Speaker 1: watch And she's like no, and I go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm so sick. Like I just keep bringing up people
Speaker 1: to you that you don't even know. And I go,
Speaker 1: but you know who Larsa Pippen is And she was
Speaker 1: like yeah. She said one of my clients is friends
Speaker 1: with her and says she's so sweet, but then said
Speaker 1: one other thing, and I go, I don't. She's not sweet,
Speaker 1: She's a bad person. Like I told her all about
Speaker 1: the gurdy of it all, and I was like, they're like, basically,
Speaker 1: if you're not a listener, I know we're talking in
Speaker 1: code to you. If you're not up Bravo ahead like
Speaker 1: we are basically Scotti. Pippens's ex wife, Larsa Pippen, who
Speaker 1: is now a real Housewives of Miami, found out from
Speaker 1: another cast mate that she had cancer. Said please don't
Speaker 1: tell anyone. This woman Larsa told everybody in the group,
Speaker 1: and then hours later, six hours later, when confronted, said
Speaker 1: you never told me not to tell anyone, which it's
Speaker 1: on fucking camera that you did. Also, if somebody tells you.
Speaker 1: I really didn't want you to tell my cancer story.
Speaker 1: Everyone you go, oh my god, I'm so sorry. Like
Speaker 1: I was thinking I would rally everyone around you, but
Speaker 1: in retrospect, that was the worst.
Speaker 3: I I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: She just was like I was trying to get people
Speaker 1: behind you, like you were gonna tell everybody anyway. She's horrible,
Speaker 1: She's unrepentant asshole. She goes, you're welcome.
Speaker 2: I mean to fucking accuse someone of faking cancer when
Speaker 2: they are crying asking for compassion, and it is it
Speaker 2: is beyond to me. Yeah, And at Bravocon, Andy gave
Speaker 2: her the floor to redeem herself and look back, and
Speaker 2: she couldn't. She And it's like you you're dating Michael
Speaker 2: Jordan's son. You were twisted. And you know, the rumor
Speaker 2: of the Kardashian thing is there's an episode that Scott
Speaker 2: Dissick has or someone that Chloe was someone I think
Speaker 2: it was. Scott had like a skink in the bathroom,
Speaker 2: locked up like he was cheating or fucking someone he shouldn't,
Speaker 2: and Kim in Vegas was like, I'm gonna fucking see
Speaker 2: who it is, and open like got into the bathroom
Speaker 2: and it was Larsa Pippen as.
Speaker 3: The rumor, like I don't think, yeah, that's just a rumor.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if that's reddit, you know,
Speaker 2: but Larsa, like Jenshaw, is in jail for defrauding the elderly.
Speaker 2: I'd rather visit her in jail than even look at
Speaker 2: Larsa Pippen in the eyes Brooks Brooks from OC lied
Speaker 2: about having cancer. I'd rather suck his dick than Seesar.
Speaker 2: That is how I feel. I am, like I am
Speaker 2: to do that to Gerty.
Speaker 3: I can't. I really, I really am upset.
Speaker 2: I'm really upset by but yeah, it's just it's really upsetting.
Speaker 2: And we've never seen someone a housewife like this deal with. Honestly,
Speaker 2: these women show us their whole lives. They do, they
Speaker 2: really do. Kyle back to Beverly Hills. Let's go positive.
Speaker 2: We dinner. We have Denise Richards fucked out of her mind,
Speaker 2: wearing a jacket backwards, confronting.
Speaker 1: I was like, I kept going, oh my god, oh
Speaker 1: my god, rewinding it, making Jared watch he doesn't even care.
Speaker 3: I was like, you gotta see this. This is so insane, like.
Speaker 1: Just the whole the whole thing where she was going Erica. Now, okay,
Speaker 1: so again, if you don't know, this is just all
Speaker 1: the women from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills go to
Speaker 1: somebody's house. All by the way, it should be called
Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of Encino. None of them live in
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. They're at Kyle's house and Encino and they're
Speaker 1: having a weed dinner where like the it's like a
Speaker 1: top not chef.
Speaker 3: Is he hot food? He was hot?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's making them like delicious gourmet food with
Speaker 1: THHD in it, which like I've eaten. I've had weed
Speaker 1: dinners before. Like it's you get so high, it's so fun.
Speaker 1: It's dangerous because you keep eating because you're high, and
Speaker 1: then you just keep getting more high. Like when I
Speaker 1: did that one time, it was one of the highest
Speaker 1: I've ever been in my life. But they they go,
Speaker 1: I would recommend ten milligrams for you, and all they
Speaker 1: go around and take all the women's orders and they're like,
Speaker 1: I'll do five, I'll do five, Durk goes, I'll do one.
Speaker 3: I go one.
Speaker 1: Is like you're standing next to a person smoking a joint,
Speaker 1: like stop at.
Speaker 3: Derey, Like, don't even do anything. If you're gonna do one,
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 1: Would, of course, yes, do what the guy suggests, Like
Speaker 1: they're all just trying to act like on camera like
Speaker 1: we never well, no, yeah, in light's a joint at
Speaker 1: the table, like, which was so for attention because it's like,
Speaker 1: are you honestly saying that? Well, I know, Lisa, you're
Speaker 1: like this, you prefer the burn of the joint. But
Speaker 1: I don't think Sutton strack. I'm like, if you just
Speaker 1: want to get hi, just eat the food, why are
Speaker 1: you lighting up a joint?
Speaker 3: You're like trying to get attention.
Speaker 1: I would never just light up a joint at a
Speaker 1: dinner table in someone's home. I'm sure, she asked off camera.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. They all looked confused, but it's
Speaker 1: just so rude, like Sutton's all about manners. I feel
Speaker 1: like I do. I I had the feeling that she
Speaker 1: said I was told I could. I thought she said
Speaker 1: something like that, so I was like, Okay, no pill
Speaker 1: or doing it.
Speaker 3: So performed performance.
Speaker 1: But then Denise Richards, who is not on the show
Speaker 1: anymore and hasn't been on the show in two years,
Speaker 1: is at the dinner comes with Camille Grammer, Kelsey Grammer's
Speaker 1: ex wife. Again, if you're not watching these shows, I
Speaker 1: don't know what's wrong with you. Listen to our description.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Like Charlie Sheen's x's wife shows up with
Speaker 1: Kelsey Grammar's ex wife that are both former cast members,
Speaker 1: and they Denise says like drunk on pills. Something's up
Speaker 1: because I heard her order she didn't order any of
Speaker 1: the THHC. She said she didn't want any, so she
Speaker 1: wasn't high.
Speaker 3: I bet it. I bet it was pills an alcohol.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pills an alcohol to me always and so
Speaker 1: and she's calling Erica out Erica Jane for something that
Speaker 1: she did but won't say what it is. And it's
Speaker 1: just like you know, you know, I eat it, watch
Speaker 1: the show, watch the show, breaking the fourth wall talking
Speaker 1: about the show. And then Eric apologizes and she goes,
Speaker 1: thank you, you're welcome.
Speaker 3: Denise says thank you and you're welcome to herself, and then.
Speaker 1: They cut right to the chef, going, yo, Denise Richards
Speaker 1: is so fucked up right now.
Speaker 3: That whole like two minutes made me laugh so hard.
Speaker 2: Well, because what was the other franchise I was watching?
Speaker 2: They're all mixed up in my head. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: But the driver kept being like what like there was
Speaker 2: so much fighting in the sprinter van, and they just
Speaker 2: kept they had a camera on on this like, Jolly driver, was.
Speaker 1: It the Bermuda? Was it when they were in Bermuda?
Speaker 1: He was hot too. All of these dudes and the chef,
Speaker 1: the driver, they're really like bringing it. But to the
Speaker 1: point where no one knew what she was going on.
Speaker 1: She just kept going, you know what you did, you know.
Speaker 3: What you did.
Speaker 1: It was wild. But then later Dori just goes, I
Speaker 1: think your jacket's on backwards and that I mean her
Speaker 1: jacket was upside down, which was so funny because inside
Speaker 1: out it's like we could all do that upside down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she couldn't find the collar of the jacket. It was
Speaker 1: upside down. Her arms, like her arms must have felt
Speaker 1: weird in the holes. That's not the way the holes
Speaker 1: were supposed to go, it was and.
Speaker 3: She just kept going, don't do this. I know what
Speaker 3: you're doing, don't do this, Like she was so fucked up.
Speaker 3: It was crazy.
Speaker 2: It was incredible, but also set in your bad friend
Speaker 2: Kyle is being honest. Obviously something's going on in her life,
Speaker 2: and I don't know why you're getting so much pleasure
Speaker 2: out of pushing her like that.
Speaker 1: You know she's being a psycho, Like you're off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got to back off when somebody says I can't.
Speaker 1: And also what they're not what they don't talk about
Speaker 1: yet in the show that I think they're going to
Speaker 1: talk about is like Kyle recently lost one of her
Speaker 1: best friends who took their own life, and like they're
Speaker 1: not talking about it, and it's all but it's like
Speaker 1: you know that, Sutton, and you're like, I get you're
Speaker 1: trying to make good TV, but you're like accosting this
Speaker 1: woman about hiding things from you and it's like she's
Speaker 1: just going through some shit right now.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. It really they're being really bad friends. And
Speaker 2: I mean the information about her friend. I think that's
Speaker 2: why she's done with Mauricio. I think he couldn't support
Speaker 2: I think he like decided to travel and become wealthy
Speaker 2: instead of yeah, being there first.
Speaker 3: That's what I've been reading as well.
Speaker 1: But anyway, if you're not going to watch anything, just
Speaker 1: pop on this weird Dinner episode of Beverly Hills and
Speaker 1: just feast your eyes, have a good time.
Speaker 3: Light up a joint in the middle of someone's house.
Speaker 2: Yes, but or if you want to, we've taught the
Speaker 2: Salt Lake City episodes in at Trixy Motel have are
Speaker 2: also very joyful to me.
Speaker 3: But I hate Sutton.
Speaker 1: But I think name Them, Name Them is gonna go
Speaker 1: down in history.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, there's some sad episode. Yeah, let's get to it. Guys. No,
Speaker 3: we're not. We're not a Bravo podcast, but we should be.
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Speaker 3: Let's get started.
Speaker 1: We've got a hot episode going back in to the vaults.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, today's episode is called baby Killer, so nothing positives
Speaker 2: happening here.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a real get ready to get
Speaker 1: sad episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from the title on, we have November two thousand
Speaker 2: and it is wild. Maybe it's a little trite to discuss,
Speaker 2: but I am, like, holy shit, I've lived like a
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm like November of two thousand. I was
Speaker 1: on my semester abroad, just like living it up.
Speaker 2: I was in high school or college, no, junior high.
Speaker 3: Yeah, high school at least high school, not college. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I graduated high I was five, so like eighth grade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so funny.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this girl gave on my on my twentieth birthday,
Speaker 1: which was right before this episode aired. I this girl
Speaker 1: on my semester of broad program gave me her life
Speaker 1: since and it was it was her real license from
Speaker 1: New Jersey.
Speaker 3: But I'm six inches taller than her. And her name
Speaker 3: was Dana.
Speaker 1: I don't I won't say her full name, but she
Speaker 1: had this very like Scaramoucci like last name, like very Italian,
Speaker 1: and in her thing, she's kind of like squinting and
Speaker 1: like looks kind of like poudy. So every time I
Speaker 1: would go to a bar, I would like stare off
Speaker 1: into the distance, like trying to look poudy and squinty,
Speaker 1: like I mean, you can't see me, right, and it
Speaker 1: is not a vision.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Most of the time it worked because it's like it's
Speaker 1: a lot better to use a fake ID, a real
Speaker 1: idea that's not you, because it's really hard to be like,
Speaker 1: that's not you unless it's glaring. You know. We had
Speaker 1: sort of similar hair color and skin tone. It's like
Speaker 1: everyone takes a weird picture every now and then, you know.
Speaker 2: I used my sister's ID, who is ten years older
Speaker 2: than me, but it only got rejected twice.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like so funny. They were like, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: twenty nine, Like yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Twice it was like you gotta get out of here,
Speaker 2: and I was like true, true, true. We did one
Speaker 2: time make our friends Sophia use like a fake idea
Speaker 2: that was a man's and it didn't work.
Speaker 3: It didn't work well.
Speaker 1: Before I had this girl Dana's, I had one that
Speaker 1: was not me, not real and expired from Vermont.
Speaker 3: Oh, So that didn't work at all, or sometimes it did.
Speaker 1: It would work in Connecticut sometimes if they just didn't
Speaker 1: pay pet attention to the expiration. And that was another
Speaker 1: one where I was squinting because the girl's really squinty.
Speaker 1: She's high as hell in her photo, and I'm like squinting.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the things we did things. But anyway, okay,
Speaker 1: we were babies, and this episode is called baby Killers,
Speaker 1: so let's keep.
Speaker 2: Going seeing you know, we write down the air date
Speaker 2: and just seeing two thousand is like, it's also my
Speaker 2: favorite time in music history.
Speaker 1: So I was just thinking that. I was like, this
Speaker 1: is a time where Brittany is thriving. We're really loving
Speaker 1: life music.
Speaker 2: No, and this is another okay, sorry, we were talking
Speaker 2: about Taylor Swift before we started recording.
Speaker 3: It is in my brain forever.
Speaker 2: But that's another thing watching all these youtubes she was
Speaker 2: she's been so young, you know, like the Tailor, the Mileys.
Speaker 2: You know, some of our girls have really like been
Speaker 2: able to thrive through their teen and young years, which
Speaker 2: a lot of our other popsters have not been able
Speaker 2: to do. And that's like so impressive. Forget how young
Speaker 2: these people are when you watch them in arenas and
Speaker 2: they're teenagers. Yeah, it's crazy. It really is okay. So
Speaker 2: back to Baby Killer. It's recess time. The kids are
Speaker 2: having a ball, they're in their jackets. There's actually a
Speaker 2: lot of balls. There's a basketball, a soccer ball, and
Speaker 2: a red rubber ball, so a lot of balls. And
Speaker 2: the teacher breaks up a fight over a ball, of course,
Speaker 2: and then notices there's problems at the gate with some
Speaker 2: unsavory men, I would say, and they're talking through young
Speaker 2: children through a gate, so obviously we don't like that
Speaker 2: and it can't be good. And then a man in
Speaker 2: a bandana calls her a bitch and doesn't like being
Speaker 2: asked to leave the school playground, which to me seems,
Speaker 2: you know, fair. She gets on her walkie talkie radio
Speaker 2: for some backup. Before bang, we hear a gunshot and
Speaker 2: children screaming back at the playground. The teacher, who we
Speaker 2: find out later is the principal. She runs back and
Speaker 2: sees a dead young child in a pink coat and
Speaker 2: she's bleeding and it's really sad, and the principal is screaming,
Speaker 2: help help me, please, and the camera pans out and
Speaker 2: it's just her and the kid and everyone is gone,
Speaker 2: and it's just like a very solemn sad cement area
Speaker 2: and then we cut to a sad Kragan face. He's
Speaker 2: looking at the squad and they're in a real casual
Speaker 2: boy band formation if I've ever seen one. They're standing, kneeling,
Speaker 2: squatting like they're all in different heights. Yeah yeah, fully
Speaker 2: like ready to swoon us And it's all it's a Benson,
Speaker 2: munch Stabler and Finn and this is in his steampunk era.
Speaker 2: I would say, there's a vest, there's silk ties. It's
Speaker 2: really he's like the villain. Is it from Hunchback of
Speaker 2: Notre Dame? Like he just hold on, No, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: He's like a step away from a monocle.
Speaker 1: Here though, it's just like to be in the movie
Speaker 1: Wild Wild West.
Speaker 2: It's definitely not the Hunchback of Notre Dame. I am
Speaker 2: to have my references wile.
Speaker 3: Wild West is a good Yeah, that's a good comparison.
Speaker 2: It's just so funny, Like I just can't imagine a
Speaker 2: guy who was in arcotics forever grew up in New York.
Speaker 3: It would be wearing vests and undershirts.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm just so curious at this and how he
Speaker 2: was able to transition out of that. You know with
Speaker 2: his seniority whatever, he breaks the news. There was a
Speaker 2: shooting at PS three eighty seven in East Harlem. Six
Speaker 2: year old girl died at the scene. They're bringing up
Speaker 2: the shooter now. Munch is like, why would we be
Speaker 2: talking to the shooter right now? The brass thinks we're
Speaker 2: better equipped to handle him. Stabler says, bring on the perver.
Speaker 2: And then we see a little child walk in. He
Speaker 2: is small, he is the killer. And then there's like
Speaker 2: two giant coups behind him. You can't even see their faces.
Speaker 2: They're really like showing you how tiny this kid is
Speaker 2: with the camera.
Speaker 3: And then we jumped to the car. It's of course,
Speaker 3: I don't know how you can. He's so cute. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like a cute child killer.
Speaker 2: Okay, so Benson asked Munch, does that look like a
Speaker 2: cold blooded killer to you. Craigan asked if there's any
Speaker 2: luck getting the parents, and wildly they both called in
Speaker 2: six to work and can't be found. M Finn does
Speaker 2: a walk by question, can you even charge a seven
Speaker 2: year old with murder? And yes, he just made the cutoff.
Speaker 2: Two panic people run into the squad room. So the
Speaker 2: man I know from Sex and the City he played
Speaker 2: William and he was the wee guy. He like kept
Speaker 2: lying to Samantha, like we'll go to the Hamptons, We'll
Speaker 2: do this, you know, oh yeah, oh yeah, okay, So god,
Speaker 2: sam he's also a ballet teacher in Center Stage.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was like a moment for
Speaker 1: you or not. And yeah, for sure, I remember watching
Speaker 1: Center Stage a lot.
Speaker 2: And then also a season six episode of SVU called
Speaker 2: The Game. So the mom is Sarah Ramirez, who is
Speaker 2: famous for playing Chay Diaz, will probably haunt them for
Speaker 2: the rest of their career. And so that's in't just
Speaker 2: like that. We they're in the episode of SVU called Cameleon,
Speaker 2: we have covered it based on Eileen Warnos. And then
Speaker 2: most importantly, over two hundred and fifty episodes of Grey's
Speaker 2: Anatomy and full series regular in like a handful of
Speaker 2: other shows they are working and Chadas will be on
Speaker 2: the tombstone, Like, yeah, everything Sarah has done is overshadowed
Speaker 2: by this nightmare they've created, and it's just so memed,
Speaker 2: Like it's just the most memed character they've done.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's history, baby is.
Speaker 2: But you know, famously, I read this one thing that
Speaker 2: was like, this is actually the most accurate portrayal of
Speaker 2: a comedian. Comedians are the most insufferable, annoying people on
Speaker 2: the planet, and this is totally in line with every
Speaker 2: comedian I've ever met. And it was like this galker
Speaker 2: piece or something like that, which I did think was funny.
Speaker 2: There was a moment when Sarah was like in bed
Speaker 2: doing the cameos chay Dias where I was like, this
Speaker 2: is psycho. You wouldn't leave the room to do it
Speaker 2: in the living room, but I could see this happening
Speaker 2: for someone.
Speaker 3: I can see it.
Speaker 2: Also, we're birthday twins August thirty first, so that's pretty
Speaker 2: love for us. So anyways, wildly, both his mom and
Speaker 2: dad had small parts in the musical Chicago the movie
Speaker 2: as well. No so maybe they met on that set,
Speaker 2: who knows, but they're stress. Benson turns around to help
Speaker 2: them in her short pixie cut glory. They say, we're
Speaker 2: here for son Elias. He's been involved in a shooting.
Speaker 2: She's like, why aren't we at the hospital?
Speaker 3: Is he dead?
Speaker 2: She's crying and she's like, oh, there's a misunderstanding, baby,
Speaker 2: your son was actually the shooter. The dad doesn't own
Speaker 2: a gun. The mom is stunned. Stabler's like, well, where
Speaker 2: does he have access to a gun? And they're like,
Speaker 2: he's either at home, school or the sitters. The babysitter's
Speaker 2: name is Missus Strata. Yeah, reminds me of Eric Astrata,
Speaker 2: just because they I think it's a strata too. The
Speaker 2: last it's not because no, no, I have the captions on.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah I thought I heard that. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: I think it's Mandela effect because of Eric Strata, or
Speaker 2: I think about the Family Stone when she cooks the strata.
Speaker 1: Wait, Eric, isn't it eric Astrata? I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Eric Astrada is the exactly. But I think that's
Speaker 1: why we that's why. Yeah, it's sucking us up here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's missus Estrada.
Speaker 2: But that's also the egg dish that Carrie that Sarah
Speaker 2: Jisca Parker does at the Family Stone.
Speaker 1: Oh, Strata mean street in Italian. There's a there's a
Speaker 1: famous movie called Lostrada. Wow, all right, well that's important
Speaker 1: to anyone.
Speaker 2: So this is a babysitter and her name is Missus Strata,
Speaker 2: and they ask for their son. So Craigan convinces them
Speaker 2: to sign a Miranda waiver so they can all like
Speaker 2: talk together, which is a trick for sure. I would
Speaker 2: never allow this. They waive the rights because they just
Speaker 2: want to see their son, and they march over there.
Speaker 2: Finn looked up the dad in the system. He's clean
Speaker 2: as a whistle, which whistles are disgusting, filled with saliva.
Speaker 2: Stabler and Benson ask about the parents both playing hooky,
Speaker 2: but they were actually at the hospital because their daughter
Speaker 2: had a respiratory thing. So this is a nightmare, like
Speaker 2: what the worst day in history. Benson is like, Okay,
Speaker 2: why don't you guys sit down. You've clearly been through enough.
Speaker 2: They bring an alliance. Obviously, there's some hugs and kisses.
Speaker 2: They sit Elias in front of Elliott. They're gonna chat
Speaker 2: and you know, Elliott, okay. Like Benson, relating to victims
Speaker 2: and being kind is like really natural to look at,
Speaker 2: and watching Stabler do it is making me uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: It's like, you don't spend enough time with kids.
Speaker 1: I think to know how to do this because you
Speaker 1: have four, but you don't spend time with them.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's like, do you like school? Yes?
Speaker 2: Second grade his favorite subject. He shrugs. He doesn't have one.
Speaker 2: Small dog is over though they're gonna talk about today.
Speaker 2: He admits to knowing Carly Jackson. When asked if he
Speaker 2: likes her, he shakes his head no. Stabler asks why not?
Speaker 2: She's always bothering me, is his answer. She chases me
Speaker 2: and tries to kiss me, and so he's like, okay,
Speaker 2: So what happened at re sas he said that she
Speaker 2: fell down? What made her fall down? I mean, this
Speaker 2: is like speed it up, kid, So anyways, he's traumatized.
Speaker 3: So what made her fall down?
Speaker 2: Stabler pushes the kid is staring right at him, takes
Speaker 2: a long pause, and then says the gun. Well, who's
Speaker 2: holding the gun? The boy asks is Carly going to
Speaker 2: be okay? And Stabler again asks who had the gun
Speaker 2: and he has to whisper I did. The dad finally
Speaker 2: gets up and is like, okay, we're gonna stop this
Speaker 2: and we're gonna get a lawyer, And obviously Stabler's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's fine with us. It's why do you let us
Speaker 2: talk to him for this long? But he's gonna stay
Speaker 2: at the precinct. So Craigan is behind the glass with
Speaker 2: Munch and directs Munch and Finn to start digging to
Speaker 2: everyone in their lives to see how he got the gun.
Speaker 2: Craigan makes a little dark joke about like the screening
Speaker 2: process is bad, but I doubt the kid was able
Speaker 2: to buy one himself.
Speaker 3: So that's like a little little humor from Craigan. Uh oh.
Speaker 2: The press is out and they're all trying to get
Speaker 2: a snapshot of what's going on. Munch pushes his way
Speaker 2: past them and into the gate to the playground and
Speaker 2: there's a little memorial set up, flowers, balloons, photos of Carly,
Speaker 2: and the principal is standing over it. Munch walks over
Speaker 2: to her. He asks if the two kids had drama
Speaker 2: in the past, and she says neither had ever been
Speaker 2: sent to her office. So she says she saw Lias
Speaker 2: putting the gun in the garbage can. Munch relays to
Speaker 2: her that Carly picked on him, and she's like, Carley
Speaker 2: was the sweetest little girl, and then she goes, did
Speaker 2: we miss something? And she says he wasn't a trouble maker,
Speaker 2: like he barely even talked, and she's really sad, and
Speaker 2: I would say I'd put her in with Lisa Lampierra
Speaker 2: into iconic guest stars that actually act the appropriate level
Speaker 2: of upset when something horrible happens. She is really bothered
Speaker 2: by what is happening. And I feel like Lisa Lampira,
Speaker 2: she was like, really upset her roommate died. And those
Speaker 2: are the only two I can think of that have
Speaker 2: acted appropriately. Usually it's a friend's mom that's like, I
Speaker 2: gotta get to work, you know.
Speaker 3: Girls. Yeah, girls, that's sad. But teen's dying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like so, but this principle is affected, and she's
Speaker 2: also reflecting like she wants to help. She's like, what
Speaker 2: did I miss? You know, Like she is just a
Speaker 2: stellar person, this principle. So Benson and Stabler go to
Speaker 2: missus Strata's house the daycare. She says he's an angel
Speaker 2: and she can't even believe it. They straight up ask
Speaker 2: if she has a gun at the house. Her curtains
Speaker 2: are very Gramma vibes. My mom would love these fucking curtains.
Speaker 1: We have these curtains, she says, please, and and.
Speaker 3: She is like, none of the kids would do this.
Speaker 2: And Stablor asks if she has the numbers to the
Speaker 2: parents of these kids, and she's even insulted by the question,
Speaker 2: like of course, I do work and home, and she
Speaker 2: points them to the list. She's watching out the window
Speaker 2: as the kids are playing and yells at two kids fighting,
Speaker 2: and they listen to her and stop right away, which
Speaker 2: is a good sign they respect her. And there are
Speaker 2: kids inside as well. Stabler asks if she's in charge
Speaker 2: of all the kids. She goes, yes, they don't leave
Speaker 2: the courtyard without an adult, and they don't talk to strangers.
Speaker 2: And then she goes, I take my job very seriously,
Speaker 2: young man. And I like the way she's talking to Stable.
Speaker 2: Finn is interrogating children. Lol, okay, Sammy, where did Elias
Speaker 2: get the gun? And it's like kindergarten cop, but not funny,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like very serious.
Speaker 2: This boy says he got the gun from his pants,
Speaker 2: but doesn't know anything else. And the boy is pretty
Speaker 2: like defensive and like pissed off. Munch is with the
Speaker 2: children too, and the boy with Munch is like, ah,
Speaker 2: she kissed him all the time and he would get red,
Speaker 2: and she was walking over to him that day. Stable
Speaker 2: and Benson are debating on their adventure about how they
Speaker 2: should charge the parents, even though it's a hot button issue.
Speaker 2: Stabler says, but like these parents don't seem like the
Speaker 2: parents I think that's like they seem like good caring
Speaker 2: parents because the parents I think, like I think about
Speaker 2: the Michigan parents, you know in the last few years
Speaker 2: that like encourage their kid to be a school shooter
Speaker 2: and like ate it and embedded, like yeah, charge those parents.
Speaker 2: Like I don't get the vibe from these parents that
Speaker 2: they're like negligent or not.
Speaker 1: Well, they also didn't even own a gun, yeah, like
Speaker 1: they I mean it's like, yes, you have to check
Speaker 1: and see if your caregiver has a gun, but the
Speaker 1: mistrata says she doesn't have a gun. So it's like
Speaker 1: they've done their due diligence, you know. Yeah, but they
Speaker 1: just don't seem like assholes to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The elevator doors open and there's a walk in talk
Speaker 2: that follows. Elliot's just like what would have made a
Speaker 2: little boy like that one to take a life? And
Speaker 2: Benson calls him out like you're searching for a way
Speaker 2: to make him a victim. The only victim here is
Speaker 2: a dead little girl, and I'm with her, but he
Speaker 2: is really cute and it is hard. Okay, So there's
Speaker 2: a woman and her name is Sonia Petis and Elias
Speaker 2: Berera's teacher, that's who it is. And she goes into
Speaker 2: complaining about class sizes, the limits thirty two and she
Speaker 2: has forty kids, and she's.
Speaker 1: That's really crazy. It is forty kids is a humongous class.
Speaker 3: I can't even imagine.
Speaker 2: I can't Just getting in a line probably takes fifteen minutes, yeah, minimum.
Speaker 2: So she's digging in her bag and she was in
Speaker 2: the teacher's lounge when she heard, and when she heard
Speaker 2: it was Elias, she said she got physically ill. Benson's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you've been digging in that giant bag for a while.
Speaker 2: Is there something you want to show us in the bag?
Speaker 2: And she's like, yes, after twenty years of teaching, you know,
Speaker 2: nothing shocks you anymore. And I wish this had you know,
Speaker 2: all of these women are just so introspective about what
Speaker 2: is happening.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's just like, I really like the characters in this episode.
Speaker 2: So she hands over a drawing he drew it yesterday.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, it's a fucking shooting. It's two boys with
Speaker 2: a gun, but he's holding a green and red checkered
Speaker 2: thing and between the gun and the victim, and I
Speaker 2: can't figure out what it is. It is a folder,
Speaker 2: like I don't know, and then it's a girl with
Speaker 2: blood everywhere out of her stomach, so not good. Stabler goes,
Speaker 2: you know, Carly had a ponytail, and so that's the scene.
Speaker 2: Ender is looking at this drawing and he is a
Speaker 2: pretty good artist. So we're at the office of the
Speaker 2: Chief Assistant District Attorney, Charlie Phillips, and he's like a
Speaker 2: lemony snicket looking man. I would say that's the best
Speaker 2: place familiar.
Speaker 1: Who is he? He's like Rumpel still skin to me.
Speaker 1: He truly just has like energy that I'm not into. Okay,
Speaker 1: are you gonna look it up? Yeah? I'm looking up
Speaker 1: this actor because I just want to see what else I.
Speaker 3: Like know him from. We know him. He's played annoying.
Speaker 3: I know this guy. Yeah, yeah, let's see. Okay, let's see.
Speaker 1: He's got one hundred and twenty credits, so okay.
Speaker 3: He's a regular on Billions.
Speaker 1: If you watch Billions like currently, he's a Billions regular.
Speaker 1: He's been on seventy six episodes of That The Walking Dead,
Speaker 1: he was a regular. He's been on eight episodes of
Speaker 1: Law and order regular, okay, but I wouldn't know any
Speaker 1: of that. I do see one that I know burn
Speaker 1: after reading It's a small book, but he was a
Speaker 1: cosmetic surgeon, and I feel like I did watch I
Speaker 1: do watch that movie a lot.
Speaker 3: Wait, The Mist.
Speaker 2: I didn't see The Mist, but it's always in like
Speaker 2: lists of the most heartbreaking off endings of movies of
Speaker 2: all time, and so I have seen just the ending
Speaker 2: of it and it's pretty fucked up.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, the Miss.
Speaker 1: So I don't think I'm gonna watch the whole movie,
Speaker 1: you know, I did, just I watched the ending, but.
Speaker 3: I think you should call him lemony stick.
Speaker 1: At the rest of the episode, he just has like
Speaker 1: not good vibes, Like straight up, there are some actors
Speaker 1: that just play you know, weirdos. Yeah, so Tuesday, November seventh,
Speaker 1: and I wonder if that's election day where the I
Speaker 1: voted stickers, because election, right, that has to be election day.
Speaker 1: He says, charge the boy with murder and cab it's
Speaker 1: like he's seven, and the dude's like, yeah, any of
Speaker 1: you was six, that would be different. But the laws
Speaker 1: of the law and there's no room for interpretation. I
Speaker 1: hate him. They argue about what the jury will incit on.
Speaker 1: You know, Columbines of course brought up and people are
Speaker 1: like fed up with that, but obviously not. We are
Speaker 1: in the future watching this and we know that nothing
Speaker 1: has changed and it's only gotten worse.
Speaker 3: But you know, this is in the two thousand.
Speaker 2: He says, people are fed up, and Cabot's like, nope,
Speaker 2: you want to get elected next year and you're getting
Speaker 2: you know, you're trying to get all splashy in attention.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have a response because she just called his
Speaker 2: ass out real good, and he just cares about, like,
Speaker 2: you know, impressing constituents. He takes a moment to collect
Speaker 2: himself and says that the boy knew the difference between
Speaker 2: right and wrong, and Cabot's like, yes, but to not
Speaker 2: understand the consequences of his actions. And he yells, he
Speaker 2: brought a gun to school. He knew what he was doing,
Speaker 2: and the drawing proves intent. So we're off to the
Speaker 2: Manhattan Family Corps and the judge is like, Cabot, there
Speaker 2: must be a mistake. You're charging a seven year old
Speaker 2: with murder, and she's like, yes, we are your honor,
Speaker 2: and she's like, there must be an alternative right, and
Speaker 2: she's like one is yet to present itself. I'm obsessed
Speaker 2: with this episode, like I also love the dialogue. So
Speaker 2: she's not happy, but there's evidence with criminal intent, and
Speaker 2: the judge then has to move on and ask, like
Speaker 2: what the plea is And then friend of the Pod
Speaker 2: Josh Pice is the defense attorney, and he's saying that
Speaker 2: they are pleading general denial. That's what they're pleading. Cabot
Speaker 2: wants to remove the boy from the home into a facility.
Speaker 2: His parents cry, they're stressed. Josh says, let him go home.
Speaker 2: Cabot's like, no, and hello, the victim's family is here today,
Speaker 2: and we get a look at Carly's mom and she
Speaker 2: is mad. She is glaring over at Elias, you know,
Speaker 2: fairly and all of them, and it's not good. And
Speaker 2: it's again an appropriate level of face you would give
Speaker 2: if your child was murdered. The judge sends him to
Speaker 2: a facility and orders some evaluations. The gavel pounds, Sarah
Speaker 2: Ramiroz cries, please don't take my baby. Carly's mom gives
Speaker 2: them a dirty look as she walks by the you know,
Speaker 2: and then the parents hug. Munch walks in with the
Speaker 2: newspaper and the headline says kill her kid. So Benson's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: tons of people are outside the courthouse. Everyone's going wild,
Speaker 2: and Munch I think he's being sarcastic. He goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: who would have guess people would be against charging a
Speaker 2: seven year old with murder. He leans back, he opens
Speaker 2: the paper and then Munch slips in a little dig
Speaker 2: against Cabot and she walks right in, right on time,
Speaker 2: and she's like, I didn't want to charge him. I
Speaker 2: had no choice. Stabler also leaning back in his chair,
Speaker 2: feed up on his desk. Everyone's really relaxed. So while
Speaker 2: he's been in jail, has he spilled the beans? Stabler
Speaker 2: asks about the crime or anything, and it's been the opposite.
Speaker 2: Kevin says he's completely withdrawn. He won't talk to social
Speaker 2: workers or anybody. Craigan walks in like, Nope, stop wasting
Speaker 2: time talking about this. We need to find the adult
Speaker 2: who left this child near a gun. One of the
Speaker 2: parents whose kids goes to missus Strada's daycare, Raina mckeerrey,
Speaker 2: owns a gun. So we're with the mom who's putting
Speaker 2: her hair up with a giant banana clip. While she's
Speaker 2: and banana clips are in It's really like watching this
Speaker 2: episode is a mind fuck. So she tells much that
Speaker 2: there is no way her son gave a gun to Elias.
Speaker 2: Munch asks if the gun is still in her possession.
Speaker 2: She goes, yes, she doesn't want to show it to them,
Speaker 2: but she pulls it out of her purse.
Speaker 3: They both jump back like whoa. She goes, are you satisfied?
Speaker 1: They make her put the gun on the table and
Speaker 1: ask why it's loose in her bag.
Speaker 2: She says, you know, she leaves work. She leaves you know,
Speaker 2: the hospital. She has to take us the subway, a
Speaker 2: bus and walk four blocks at three am, and she's
Speaker 2: putting on some lipstick. She's getting ready, you know, classic,
Speaker 2: She's getting ready while they're trying to get some info
Speaker 2: out of her. Munch is now like, oh, well, you
Speaker 2: shouldn't have it in your purse. So she gets sassy
Speaker 2: and is like, yeah, I leave it at home so
Speaker 2: the appliances can protect themselves. You have a child living here,
Speaker 2: they remind her. She calls for her son, Raphael, and
Speaker 2: he comes out and he's wearing a toy badge.
Speaker 3: So I think this kid is a cop. Lover.
Speaker 2: He tells them he knows Elias and that he popped
Speaker 2: that little girl. Benson and Stable are at like, you know,
Speaker 2: talking to a science cop in a lab and they're
Speaker 2: talking about the guns and the bullets and holy shit,
Speaker 2: this gun was used in a different crime. There's a
Speaker 2: second body on that gun. So this case is growing.
Speaker 2: We go talk to the cop of that other case.
Speaker 2: Basically the victim is Shorty Esposito Latino Mayo. He got
Speaker 2: smoked in the ticker right before your case. Like what
Speaker 2: a sentence. So it was short range and the dude
Speaker 2: was dumped in an alley blocks from where the kid lives.
Speaker 2: So they're like, did the kid do this one too?
Speaker 2: And I get that's like a joke to them, and
Speaker 2: they're like, he's like no, the shooter is actually four
Speaker 2: inches taller than the deceased, so it's a grown person.
Speaker 2: They share infoone files, they cross resperence stuff. There's no
Speaker 2: like this is my jurisdiction. Oh you don't think I
Speaker 2: did a good job. There's none of that here. So
Speaker 2: they got to go find a link between the crimes.
Speaker 2: So she says, look at his pants, and they're looking
Speaker 2: at the crime photos and holy shit, those pants are
Speaker 2: in the drawing Elias drew of the victim, and they're like,
Speaker 2: that might be the link. So the pants are the link.
Speaker 2: So he drew a different shooting. It's probably it's not
Speaker 2: the Carly shooting. So they take the photo to a
Speaker 2: bodega guy and he's being sarcastic, not helpful, but like,
Speaker 2: I get it. It's a random guy at the bodega, Like,
Speaker 2: you can't know everyone. But Stabler decides to do a
Speaker 2: little theater and picks up the paper and goes, you
Speaker 2: heard it out this case, And the bodega guy says,
Speaker 2: who hasn't, And he goes, well, the same gun the
Speaker 2: boy used was used to kill this guy, So you
Speaker 2: tell us what you know about this guy. So he's
Speaker 2: like all right, all right. He's into the mumbo jumbo.
Speaker 2: He's always coming out of Nests, which is a store
Speaker 2: across the street. It's a which style store. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of candles. The store owner calls it Religious supplies.
Speaker 2: Who is the store owner? But Madonna's baby daddy, Carlos Leone,
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I was just looking it up, but yes, I was
Speaker 1: like I recognize him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the father of Lordes and he's also in
Speaker 2: the episode Wildlife where he plays another.
Speaker 1: Kind of he's like a party promoter yeah.
Speaker 3: Right yeah, and gives coke to the girls. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Here, he owns a Sansoria style store. They show him
Speaker 2: the photo and he goes, yes, that is a customer
Speaker 2: and Benson says was and they accuse him and he says,
Speaker 2: you know, goats is the highest in the food chain.
Speaker 3: We go with sacrifice. They want scoop on this dead guy.
Speaker 2: He goes, no, part of our religion is secret, see,
Speaker 2: and that's freedom of religion and I'm not violating his
Speaker 2: rights and Benson goes, he's dead, he has no rights.
Speaker 2: And Taylor then is like, are you a priest? And
Speaker 2: he gives it up and is like, no, I'm actually
Speaker 2: an atheist businessman. But there's three hundred thousand people in
Speaker 2: New York that practice Santaia and they need to shop
Speaker 2: someplace they can trust. So I'm like, I mean, baby
Speaker 2: Killer is sad, but this episode is really fucking good.
Speaker 2: So the foursome meetup outside and are like, honestly, we
Speaker 2: think he's into drugs and they point across the street
Speaker 2: at some dealers at work. Finn his narcotics knowledge fills
Speaker 2: them in. He's like, you know, it's kind of it
Speaker 2: looks like a scene from the wire. A little boy
Speaker 2: yells nine one one and Finn goes and that's the lookout.
Speaker 2: We could have put that together. We didn't need your
Speaker 2: drug expertise for that.
Speaker 1: But my right was interesting though. He was like, that's
Speaker 1: the money guy. He never touches the product. I was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: I thought.
Speaker 1: I what you usually see on these little things are
Speaker 1: like someone hands the money and someone you know, that
Speaker 1: palm's a little pocketive white powder or whatever.
Speaker 3: But like this is like a whole lot where there's
Speaker 3: a separate guy.
Speaker 1: So no one can get held accountable if like for
Speaker 1: the actual exchange.
Speaker 3: All right, I'm learning, I'm learning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But the lookout, it's like the lookout. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the corner boy, we got that. Yeah. A grocery store
Speaker 1: owner stops the boy and it's like, come on, let
Speaker 1: him go, let him run, but they obviously have pass beef,
Speaker 1: so he runs trying to get involved and the boy says,
Speaker 1: shut up, old man.
Speaker 3: Finn is like, focus on us. Do you know these people?
Speaker 2: And they show the photos and the ten year old
Speaker 2: doesn't know who they are. Benson pushes for scoop from
Speaker 2: the grocery guy. The dealer glares, but this motherfucker is
Speaker 2: not scared. Gives the names and everything he knows. Elias,
Speaker 2: he's at the store all the time, but not with
Speaker 2: this dead guy. With another guy named Sweetness. He's eighteen
Speaker 2: or nineteen and he has a sweet tooth. Benson and
Speaker 2: Stabler enter to the squadroom and munches scoop on sweet Tooth.
Speaker 3: Perfect.
Speaker 2: Okay, So sweet Tooth has placed in foster care at
Speaker 2: age eight for truancy. Then it turned into shoplifting, then drugs,
Speaker 2: then larceny, then gun possession. The last person who posted
Speaker 2: bail for him was his great grandmother, missus Strata, the daycaree.
Speaker 3: Dumb no.
Speaker 2: They go to her, sassy ass and she says that
Speaker 2: her grandson has nothing to do with this little girl's death.
Speaker 2: They're like, dude, you know Alia's got a gun, and
Speaker 2: you know Antonio has a gun and has had gun
Speaker 2: troubles in the past. She says he has changed, he
Speaker 2: has gotten his life together. He helps with the kids,
Speaker 2: he takes them to the park, buys them candy. The
Speaker 2: kids call him Sweetness. Benson bends down to be like
Speaker 2: on her level and goes that parking store. He takes
Speaker 2: them to our known drug corners. That is a drug corner.
Speaker 2: She looks out the window and goes, I didn't know that,
Speaker 2: And do you think she did know that? Or no,
Speaker 2: I don't know regardless, And I think it's like, you're
Speaker 2: not allowed to let your nef your great grandson just
Speaker 2: walk off with kids, like to random places like in
Speaker 2: this daycare scenario. It's bad enough that she's like basically
Speaker 2: running it from a perch while the kids are down
Speaker 2: in the courtyard. They can't leave the courtyard. They can't
Speaker 2: just go on strolls like they have to stay there.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, all right, So that's inside scoop from
Speaker 2: a daycare user. So Stabler then lets her know a
Speaker 2: young man named Shorty was shot and killed with the
Speaker 2: same gun that Elias used. She's starting to act shifty
Speaker 2: and worried, and they're like, last time your great grandson
Speaker 2: was arrested was with Shorty, Like they did time together.
Speaker 2: Where is he tell us she's debating, then says, you
Speaker 2: understand he had a horrible childhood. Dad's in prison. Mom
Speaker 2: who knows where the fuck she is? She looks down
Speaker 2: and says, please don't hurt him. She starts to cry.
Speaker 2: They enter a building. Benson and Stable are knock on
Speaker 2: a door asking for Antonio sweetness. Benson says nobody says anything.
Speaker 2: They open the door, enter the apartment. There's fresh blood.
Speaker 2: There's blood on the walls, blood everywhere. Stable yells parties
Speaker 2: down here and starts climbing the fire escape.
Speaker 3: Stairs.
Speaker 2: Down, you can climb down, right yeah? They are running through. No,
Speaker 2: how would you do how would you say it.
Speaker 1: Going down the stairs or descending the stairs versus a.
Speaker 2: Yeah, descending? So you yeah, so you would go down,
Speaker 2: you descend down a mountain? Okay, so whatever. He's going
Speaker 2: down the fire escape. They're running through a courtyard and
Speaker 2: they find a bleeding man in the trash. His throat
Speaker 2: is slit and he's bleeding out. He's like, who did
Speaker 2: this to you? Who did this to you? He whispers
Speaker 2: with the last bit of energy he hasn't too Stabler's
Speaker 2: ear machete, which is from Breaking Bad. I feel too right,
Speaker 2: machete or it could just be a word and Stabler.
Speaker 1: Danny Treyjoe plays a character named Machete Right Yeah, Case
Speaker 1: and Breaking Bad okay, perfect, No, no, just character.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh but Treyjo isn't breaking bad. Okay, yes, it's tree. Wow,
Speaker 2: there's a whole series. Yeah, that's like Danny Treyo's big
Speaker 2: character is. There's three machete movies. Did you know that
Speaker 2: low Hands in one of them? Oh my god, wait,
Speaker 2: we gotta get her. But Steven Seagal is too. All right, listen,
Speaker 2: let's go back to Baby Killer.
Speaker 1: So Stabler is like, my shed, my shed, and I'm
Speaker 1: over you fucking idiot. People are not getting Spanish. Is
Speaker 1: like so funny, it's a dig. He's like, my shut up,
Speaker 1: my shed day. Yeah, we're at the office and the
Speaker 1: photo of the dead man and the drawing Elias Drew
Speaker 1: have the same you know, gray camel pants.
Speaker 3: We've discussed this.
Speaker 2: They're like, when he drew this, he wasn't plotting out
Speaker 2: Carly Jackson's murder. He was drawing this murder that he witnessed.
Speaker 2: This was a cry for help. Cabot's like, he's been
Speaker 2: through so many questions, through so many systems, interrogations. Why
Speaker 2: wouldn't have said anything? Craigan goes, well, I mean these
Speaker 2: are drug dealers and killers. They scare the kid. The
Speaker 2: kid might be scared. Benson and Stabler are like, fuck,
Speaker 2: we need to talk to him. Cabot says, the judge
Speaker 2: let him go home, so he is home. Craigan tells
Speaker 2: them to go get that info. They rush to the house.
Speaker 2: The mom's obviously like, you got some nerve, and the lawyer,
Speaker 2: Josh is like, they're prisoners in their own home. It's
Speaker 2: been awful for them, protesters, death threats, Social services want
Speaker 2: to take their daughter away and they're like, we're not
Speaker 2: letting you talk to him. To pin something else on him,
Speaker 2: and Benson goes, no, we believe that your son witnessed
Speaker 2: a murder. And they're like what, and they show the drawing.
Speaker 2: The mom goes, oh my god. So they lead the
Speaker 2: detectives to Elias. Stabler walks in and they all stand
Speaker 2: in the doorway and watch, and Stabler tries connecting with
Speaker 2: the kid who wants to be silent. Stablor calls him
Speaker 2: big guy. That must work. So Stabler goes, listen, you've
Speaker 2: been dragged into something. We talk to sweetness, and we
Speaker 2: know that you've been slinging for him. He asks, what
Speaker 2: did you do with all the money he gives you?
Speaker 2: You know, did you buy Kicks Crans video games? He
Speaker 2: still says nothing. Staber's like, come on, Elias talk and like,
Speaker 2: you know, begging him, like let's fix this, let's fix this.
Speaker 2: So finally Elias goes, he puts little bottles in my pockets.
Speaker 2: So that's the first time we hear him speak. Stabler says,
Speaker 2: nice work. Now let's talk about the gun. Okay, tell
Speaker 2: me about this. Alias says, he told me to stay
Speaker 2: in the room, and I didn't. I saw him shoot
Speaker 2: the man. What's at the end of the gun, And
Speaker 2: we finally know what I thought was a folder is
Speaker 2: a pillow. And he goes, you could hardly hear the bam.
Speaker 2: Stabler asks why did Sweetness shoot Shorty? He says he didn't.
Speaker 2: The guy holding the gun is machete, and then Staelor goes, machete.
Speaker 2: He doesn't know who this machete guy is, but he
Speaker 2: did hear Shorty cry for help, like, please stop, machete,
Speaker 2: please don't do this. Sablor's eyes open wide. Then what happened?
Speaker 2: He heard sirens and machete ran away. Sweetness hit the
Speaker 2: gun in the couch and got a big suitcase, and
Speaker 2: Elias hid in the closet because he was scared and
Speaker 2: he heard them leave. Stabler asks why he took the gun,
Speaker 2: and he's like, I didn't want him to kill me too.
Speaker 2: So Stabler then asks where did this happen and he goes, well,
Speaker 2: my sister was in the hospital, so he was at
Speaker 2: missus Strata's fucking house. So they're going to go back
Speaker 2: there again. They asked her where she was Sunday night
Speaker 2: between ten pm and midnight. She goes, I take meds,
Speaker 2: and they knock me the fuck out. I was sleeping,
Speaker 2: so she knows nothing. They're all going through the apartment hardcore.
Speaker 2: There's no traces of blood yet, but one pillow is missing.
Speaker 2: How would they ever fucking know that? Like, how do
Speaker 2: you know how many pillows someone has? And they turned
Speaker 2: the lights out and we see the blood glow and
Speaker 2: we see the blood glow of like imprints of a
Speaker 2: wheels of a suitcase. So he put Shorty in the
Speaker 2: suitcase and ran out. So they go to the fifteenth
Speaker 2: Precincts and probably see, like, you know, to check out
Speaker 2: how they handle this case.
Speaker 3: So this dude is like, oh, yeah, it was a party.
Speaker 3: It got out of hand.
Speaker 2: There was a knife, a brawl and he took thirty
Speaker 2: five statements. He stops everyone who left the building, and
Speaker 2: the cop shares all thirty five interviews and we're working
Speaker 2: to see if he knows any of them. Elias recognized
Speaker 2: two of the people, but Alias said it wasn't machete,
Speaker 2: and they're like, who the fuck is this guy? So
Speaker 2: then they come up with the most crazy plan I've
Speaker 2: ever seen an SVU. This would not work and it's
Speaker 2: not Halloween. They put Elias in like a pig mask,
Speaker 2: and they're like, we're just gonna walk around the neighborhood
Speaker 2: and you can squeeze my hand when you see who
Speaker 2: machete is what like.
Speaker 1: But I remember this like so well from when this
Speaker 1: was first on, Like I remember this being like, oh my.
Speaker 3: God, that kid must be so terrified.
Speaker 1: But they have him in this like we pig mask
Speaker 1: and they just like bring him around for like to
Speaker 1: a like what could be a drug corner or like
Speaker 1: a drug front.
Speaker 3: We have no idea.
Speaker 2: It's like everyone's gonna know who that little child is.
Speaker 2: They see him all the time, they know the case
Speaker 2: is happening. But also, why are these obvious cops have
Speaker 2: a kid with a mask on like it just doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not like walking with an uncle, like if
Speaker 1: they had him walking with like I don't know one
Speaker 1: guy to be like undercover. But it's like he just
Speaker 1: walks in with a crowd of cops wearing a mask.
Speaker 1: It's so like, what would stop this guy just from
Speaker 1: shooting him right in the fucking face and like killing
Speaker 1: him so they can't talk. Yeah, blowing his little pig
Speaker 1: mask right off. It's so fucked up. So, but that's
Speaker 1: that's the play they came up with. So Stabler says,
Speaker 1: keep your head down, don't say a word, just squeeze
Speaker 1: my hand when you see machete.
Speaker 3: I do like saying it.
Speaker 2: I enter the Sansoria shop, Madonna's X walks out. He
Speaker 2: grabs his hand hard like so the squeeze is happening.
Speaker 2: So Carlos Leone is fucking machetes. The santor Ria guy is.
Speaker 2: Actually this is a drug done. The candles are No
Speaker 2: one is religious in this.
Speaker 1: It's a great fat though, because it's like he can
Speaker 1: claim all this religious freedom that we're being persecuted because
Speaker 1: people don't like Santa Ria or whatever, and you can
Speaker 1: just do all your business that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they take him out, They put cuffs on him,
Speaker 2: they arrest his ass. He tries to bribe them. He
Speaker 2: goes look in the freezer. There's tons of cash in
Speaker 2: the freezer. You know, big mistake. These are not the
Speaker 2: cops that will do that. They drag his ass out
Speaker 2: of the witch shop and so we open back up
Speaker 2: at the office of doctor Elizabeth. I'll a vet and this,
Speaker 2: I would say, is like B. D. Wong before B. D. Wong,
Speaker 2: you know right, I'll a vet And she's like, you
Speaker 2: can talk now. Machete is in jail. She's like, I heard,
Speaker 2: you know from the streets that you're a very good artist.
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, you know, I am. He's trying
Speaker 2: to be humble, but he knows he's good. So she
Speaker 2: asked him to draw what happened that day at the schoolyard.
Speaker 2: He starts drawing it's a big face with its mouth
Speaker 2: open wide and she's like, oh, is that.
Speaker 3: You You're really scared? Why are you scared?
Speaker 2: And he's like, I saw them behind the fence, machete
Speaker 2: in them. He says, they came to hurt me too,
Speaker 2: And like, do you think they went to scare him
Speaker 2: or kill him because they knew that he was in
Speaker 2: the closet.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, great question. I think he's right
Speaker 1: to be scared. Yeah, because they probably know that he
Speaker 1: was there. I'm sure they were going to kill him.
Speaker 1: No one's trusting a seven year old to keep their
Speaker 1: mouth shut.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sam, he says, I saw them from behind the fence. Damn,
Speaker 2: that's so scary. Elias, who were you shooting at? And
Speaker 2: he goes, I was shooting at machete. I didn't shoot Carly,
Speaker 2: What's going to happen to me? So she asked, what
Speaker 2: do you think should happen to you? He starts drawing
Speaker 2: red all around him. It's red flames. He thinks he's
Speaker 2: going to hell he wants. He says, he thinks he
Speaker 2: deserves to burn in hell for what he did. So
Speaker 2: Cabot's waiting for the gray haired man in charge that
Speaker 2: wants to see this child burn. He says, I know
Speaker 2: why you're here, and no, you cannot have the machete case.
Speaker 2: I gave that to McCoy. Cabot's like, I'm not here
Speaker 2: to pick up a case, I'm here to drop one.
Speaker 2: And he's like, no, we cannot give this kid of pass.
Speaker 2: She says, we wouldn't have gotten Machete without him. He says,
Speaker 2: it doesn't bring back Carly Jackson Cab. It's like her
Speaker 2: death is a tragedy, but this was self defense. Machete
Speaker 2: and his gang were at the school playground. There are
Speaker 2: knocks on the door, phones are ringing. It's really a
Speaker 2: wild day. And they both had out walking and he's like, fine,
Speaker 2: do manslaughter And she's like, I don't want to prosecute
Speaker 2: this child for like a bunch of a series of
Speaker 2: society's mistakes. So and Elias's family is HMO wouldn't cover
Speaker 2: their daughter's condition, forcing them to work two jobs, so
Speaker 2: they had to find affordable daycare. So they put him
Speaker 2: in an illegal daycare where an eighty two year old
Speaker 2: woman is looking after fifteen children and her great grandson
Speaker 2: was using him as a drug runner and giving him
Speaker 2: access to a loaded gun. And this boy should not
Speaker 2: be put away. And he responds nobody in sing sing
Speaker 2: has a great childhood, Like if you start killing at seven,
Speaker 2: what happens next?
Speaker 1: I hate this man so fucking much. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't need to have I don't even know why I
Speaker 1: need to stop to say it.
Speaker 3: But like, are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, things are bad and sing sing, so
Speaker 1: let's just keep perpetuating the cycle.
Speaker 3: What like it makes no sense.
Speaker 1: Like he's like, he's not even listening to what she's saying,
Speaker 1: and it is fucked like people don't have childcare.
Speaker 3: Options, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, She screams, you are unbelievable. He goes, Nope, I'm
Speaker 2: second in command and I have Lewin's full support on this.
Speaker 2: He goes, Listen, people know what happened, and people want justice,
Speaker 2: and I need someone held responsible. He runs off to
Speaker 2: do a press conference and he goes, justice is gonna
Speaker 2: be served, YadA, YadA, and then he passes the buck
Speaker 2: to Cabot feeds.
Speaker 3: Her to the media.
Speaker 2: Wolves She looks shocked, so many questions thrown at her.
Speaker 2: A journalist asks, you know, it's a Latino boy that
Speaker 2: shot a black girl. If you don't act on this,
Speaker 2: you know it's gonna be racially tense in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: You guys don't care about black lives. The gray Man,
Speaker 2: he's grinning, evil Rumpel, still skin evil, evil grin. She
Speaker 2: says that this was not racially motivated at all, and
Speaker 2: even to try to slant it that way is messed up.
Speaker 3: That's our podcast. Hello.
Speaker 2: It pulls away and we see that she is on
Speaker 2: the TV and Munch is like, damn, they young are
Speaker 2: out to dry. It's a lose lose half the city's
Speaker 2: gonna hate her no matter what. They feel bad for her.
Speaker 2: Staylor says, the boy has been expelled and the state
Speaker 2: has sent a tutor, and they're like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: don't let that get out.
Speaker 3: People will be mad. He has a tutor.
Speaker 2: Benson asked Craigan, is there anything they can do to
Speaker 2: help Cabot, and he's like, it's out of our hands.
Speaker 2: So Cabot is now with all of it, and she's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, fuck, my career is on the line,
Speaker 2: and all of it's like okay, so is the little
Speaker 2: boy's future. And she says, I haven't forgotten about him,
Speaker 2: trust me. But she can't believe he did that.
Speaker 1: To her, like you know, this lemony snake of guy,
Speaker 1: and she's and all of Vet's like, yeah, it's the
Speaker 1: old boys Club.
Speaker 2: Why do you think I left here? And Cabot's like okay,
Speaker 2: but what would you do? Like can you help me out?
Speaker 2: What should I do? And she's like, I can't discuss
Speaker 2: particulars with you. I've been hired by the defense on retainer.
Speaker 2: And she's like, but I would put him in supervised counseling.
Speaker 2: Cabot says, that's not gonna satiate the public's bloodless. Every
Speaker 2: one needs to be punished, and she's like, actually, you
Speaker 2: can bring upon peace instead of punishment, and that makes
Speaker 2: Cabot think we're at the capacity hearing. It's a lady
Speaker 2: on the stand talking how the boy clearly knows the
Speaker 2: difference between right and wrong and from the time he
Speaker 2: pulled the trigger, he knew what he was doing and
Speaker 2: wanted to cause death or physical harm to those men.
Speaker 2: Now it's a man on the stand and he reminds
Speaker 2: me of a queen who would have like dogs competing
Speaker 2: at a dog show. For sure, he looks like he
Speaker 2: is brushing a dog right now. And he says, the
Speaker 2: boy understands the role of a judge in what's going
Speaker 2: on here, the role of the court, the attorney. He
Speaker 2: understands like how to defend himself. And now Olivet's on
Speaker 2: the stand and she's like, yeah, I agree with everyone,
Speaker 2: but in my assessment, the miner knows it was wrong,
Speaker 2: but at the time he pulled the trigger, he was not.
Speaker 3: Cabbot goes to Olivet.
Speaker 2: She brings up the drawing about the hell and how
Speaker 2: he thinks he belongs in hell, and she goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's like my point, Like he's still a kid. You know,
Speaker 2: the doctor knows kids that think they're going to hell
Speaker 2: for telling a fib These are still children. Cabbot asks,
Speaker 2: how do you explain his laps in judgment at the
Speaker 2: time he pulled the trigger, and she says it was
Speaker 2: mortal fear.
Speaker 3: He was imitating behavior.
Speaker 2: He saw these men swing guns around to scare people,
Speaker 2: and he wanted them to go away. He was imitating
Speaker 2: behavior without fully understanding it. And they cut to Carly's
Speaker 2: angry mom in the stands obviously, and it's really sad
Speaker 2: for her, and she says, he's seven years old, Like
Speaker 2: even if he understands what a core is or what
Speaker 2: a judge is, or right and wrong, it's as much
Speaker 2: as a seven year old can understand it. He is
Speaker 2: a tiny baby. So anyways, the judge looks him up
Speaker 2: and down. She's side eyeing the ladies. Cabot then says,
Speaker 2: the people defer to doctor Olive's findings that the miner
Speaker 2: lacked the capacity to understand the consequences of his actions
Speaker 2: and therefore should not be held responsible.
Speaker 3: And then we go back to Carly's mom.
Speaker 2: It's heartbreaking and you know, great facial acting, like to
Speaker 2: be able to act without any.
Speaker 3: Lines to exhibit, like grief. I don't know. Tough job.
Speaker 2: So Elias's parents look more shocked than relieved at first.
Speaker 2: The judge is like, excuse me, the people are with
Speaker 2: drawing charges and she's like, he lacked the mensraa to
Speaker 2: commit a crime and that's a legally blonde term, okay a,
Speaker 2: And she says, so we will not pursue the case.
Speaker 2: His parents cry with joy. Carly's mom looks uncomfortable and
Speaker 2: doesn't know how to feel. She's looking around and I
Speaker 2: don't know, this is very tough to watch. Cabot is
Speaker 2: being surrounded outside by the press and is like, I
Speaker 2: know a lot of you don't agree with what happened,
Speaker 2: but there's something I'd like you to hear. A black
Speaker 2: man from the crowd yells another killed black person, and
Speaker 2: like someone gets free. This is fucked, and she responds,
Speaker 2: the cycle of violence has got to stop somewhere, let
Speaker 2: it be here, and then Carly's mom walks forward. She
Speaker 2: introduces herself to the media frenzy, I know you're all
Speaker 2: here out of concern, and I thank you, but I
Speaker 2: have a favor to ask. Go home, take care of
Speaker 2: your children. And she walks off, barely able to stand
Speaker 2: up straight or breathe. So Cabot walks into the squad
Speaker 2: room and they all hail her a hero and congrat
Speaker 2: her and Stabler and company are there and they're like,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go to mcmullens for a drink, but the
Speaker 2: phone rings first.
Speaker 3: You know this isn't good. Craigan answers.
Speaker 2: Finn Is like, wait, you come in, and he you
Speaker 2: come in to the bar, Craigan, I know you're sober.
Speaker 2: You come in for a milk bro or what? And
Speaker 2: he slowly hangs up the phone. And then we're just
Speaker 2: at a crime scene. The neighbors jumped in would have
Speaker 2: killed him if we hadn't been a block away. Benson
Speaker 2: and Stabler walk and the uniform cop says the killer
Speaker 2: is twelve, he was an outraged citizen and goes by
Speaker 2: the name TJ. And then so, yeah, Elias is fucking dead. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's so sad. It's this little baby on the ground.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Elias is shot on the ground dead.
Speaker 2: A young twelve year old is being taken away in
Speaker 2: handcuffs and he yells, you can't kill a sister and
Speaker 2: just walk. He gets stuffed into a cop car. Benson says,
Speaker 2: the cycle never ends, does it? Then Stabler says, welcome
Speaker 2: to the Gaza strip like.
Speaker 3: Years ago.
Speaker 2: It's like this show is always like ahead of time,
Speaker 2: behind its time, works in cycle, always relevant sometimes like
Speaker 2: it is just yeah, but like there goes a twelve
Speaker 2: year old kid that's gonna spend his life in jail.
Speaker 3: Like it's horrible. It's like the whole thing is horrible.
Speaker 1: And now two kids are dead, like and it's like
Speaker 1: dr violy wish this twelve year old did not do that.
Speaker 3: Here's what I don't get though.
Speaker 1: I don't really get why cab it can just be
Speaker 1: like give it up, Like, isn't she gonna get in
Speaker 1: trouble for her boss.
Speaker 3: Everybody's like, let's go have a drink.
Speaker 1: We did it, and it's like, but you dropped the
Speaker 1: case and your boss said you had to try the case.
Speaker 3: Well she did. She she tried it and then decided.
Speaker 1: I know, I just I still feel like I thought
Speaker 1: I thought there would be a line about her being like,
Speaker 1: well I'm gonna get my ass handed to me but
Speaker 1: whatever or what you know, like but instead it was
Speaker 1: all like you nailed it, let's go shots on me,
Speaker 1: and like it just I felt like she was still
Speaker 1: gonna get in trouble.
Speaker 3: But you know, maybe mens Rea is like a more
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Also, having Carly's mom sort of speak to the crowd
Speaker 1: was like a good, like pr move on her part,
Speaker 1: So maybe that's like.
Speaker 3: What they're talking about.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but yeah, him bringing up the Gaza strip
Speaker 1: at this point in time this episode, you know, coming
Speaker 1: out while this everything's happening is really wild. But you know,
Speaker 1: keep your sadness, keep your sadness level at a high,
Speaker 1: because we'll be right back with the real story. And
Speaker 1: you know, just after a few messages from our sponsors, Okay,
Speaker 1: so we are back and this case is sad, you know,
Speaker 1: it is this case of Kayla Rowland. Kayla Renee Rowland
Speaker 1: lived in Morris Township, Michigan, which is just north of Flint, Michigan.
Speaker 1: She was only six years old in February of two
Speaker 1: thousand when she was shot by a classmate at THEO. J.
Speaker 3: Buell Elementary School.
Speaker 1: And he was another six year old, Like, honestly, Elias
Speaker 1: is seven, This is another six year old. They're in
Speaker 1: first grade. The boy's father was in prison for parole violation.
Speaker 1: Previous arrests included possession of cocaine and burglary. His mom
Speaker 1: had was working two jobs, like a lot like this family,
Speaker 1: like trying to you know, make ends meet. But she
Speaker 1: was evicted from her place of living because she was
Speaker 1: only making one hundred and seventy five dollars a week
Speaker 1: and could not pay the rent. So she and her
Speaker 1: two sons went to live with her brother, and the
Speaker 1: shooter and his eight year old brother shared a sofa
Speaker 1: at their uncle's house. And the uncle's house is allegedly
Speaker 1: a house where a lot of drugs and guns are around.
Speaker 3: One article called it a crack house.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's like an appropriate term or
Speaker 1: what qualifies that, but that's what, you know, the kind
Speaker 1: of living situation he was in. This kid already had
Speaker 1: behavioral problems. This is like different from the episode Elias
Speaker 1: was like apparently this little angel, this kid had behavioral problems,
Speaker 1: was in detention all the time for swearing, hitting, flipping
Speaker 1: the bird. Weeks before the shooting, he stabbed a classmate
Speaker 1: with a pencil, and he had attacked Kayla before, and
Speaker 1: the day before her death he had tried kissing her
Speaker 1: and was rejected and that made him mad. And again,
Speaker 1: they're six years old, so not sure when it was hard.
Speaker 1: Nobody really knows when. But at some point, this six
Speaker 1: year old boy found a loaded thirty two caliber handgun
Speaker 1: in a Puma shoe box at his uncle's house.
Speaker 3: He brought it to school along with a knife.
Speaker 1: During passing time, he said to Kayla, I don't like you,
Speaker 1: before shooting her in front of a teacher and two
Speaker 1: dozen other students. She was shot once in the shoulder,
Speaker 1: but it like tore through her chest and hit a
Speaker 1: vital organ because she was shot a few minutes before
Speaker 1: ten am, and she was pronounced dead at the hospital
Speaker 1: by ten to nine am. So she here was this
Speaker 1: two thousand the beginning of the same year. This episode
Speaker 1: came out at the beginning of the year. Yeah, really horrible.
Speaker 1: The shooter put the gun in a desk after the
Speaker 1: shooting and simply walked away is what I read.
Speaker 3: Police said they talked to the boy.
Speaker 1: He did not cry, and when he was finished talking
Speaker 1: to the police, he just sat and drew pictures. Authorities,
Speaker 1: but this sounds like a boy that's seen a lot
Speaker 1: of bad shit, been through a lot of bad shit,
Speaker 1: and is hardened, you know, like, and probably also doesn't
Speaker 1: fully grasp what he's done. Authorities said the boy did
Speaker 1: not seem to get what happened. At a news conference,
Speaker 1: the Genesee County Prosecutor Arthur A. Bush said, quote, it
Speaker 1: was their impression, the investigators that the boy didn't understand
Speaker 1: what he had done and did not appreciate the consequences
Speaker 1: of his actions, and appeared to take this as some
Speaker 1: sort of well that this just kind of happens like
Speaker 1: on television. This is a young boy six years old
Speaker 1: who cannot obviously form criminal intent. He does not seem
Speaker 1: to understand the gravity of the event.
Speaker 3: End quote.
Speaker 1: He also commented, quote, he was treating it as if
Speaker 1: it a toy, because I don't think he had too
Speaker 1: many toys, which that seems like not I don't think
Speaker 1: that's relevant. But the boy was not charged with murder
Speaker 1: because of his age, and was released to the custody
Speaker 1: of an aunt and this case, and I believe with
Speaker 1: his sister and brother, he went with the aunt. This
Speaker 1: case obviously got a ton of attention because of how
Speaker 1: young the victim and the shooter were at the time.
Speaker 1: Kayla was the youngest school shooting victim in the US,
Speaker 1: but that was before Sandy Hook happened in twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: ten years later, twelve years later, with almost no change,
Speaker 1: and then a picture of Kayla in a Winnie the
Speaker 1: Poo Tee shirt was like on the cover of Newsweek,
Speaker 1: and the story was featured in a lot of national magazines,
Speaker 1: Like you know.
Speaker 3: Kids, you remember it is I don't remember this happening. No,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I was in college. Actually I was in college, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so bad, but I don't remember this happening. The
Speaker 1: boy being so young was also tragic. But also it's
Speaker 1: so tragic that nothing has changed, Like in this year,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Three, a six year old just shot his teacher.
Speaker 1: In Virginia, So it's like been twenty three years later,
Speaker 1: the same stuff as happening. The shooter's mother was named
Speaker 1: Tamarla Owens. She was originally charged with child neglect, but
Speaker 1: that case was eventually dismissed. Jamelle James was a nineteen
Speaker 1: year old man living in the home with the shooter's uncle,
Speaker 1: and he was the owner of the gun that killed Kayla.
Speaker 1: He pleaded no contest to involuntary manslaughter and he did
Speaker 1: get two to fifteen years and he served two and
Speaker 1: a half. So he kind of said in court like
Speaker 1: he didn't plead guilty, but he pleaded no contests, like
Speaker 1: he took response, he's like, I get I have to
Speaker 1: do time for this. Buell Elementary closed in two thousand
Speaker 1: and two. Two years later due to dwindling enrollments stressed finances,
Speaker 1: the campus was damaged by arson and five and demolished
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine. Michael Moore, who was actually
Speaker 1: from Flint, referenced Kayla's murder in the movie Bowling for Columbine,
Speaker 1: which was, you know, his attempt to convince our sick
Speaker 1: fucking country to make stricter gun laws. And then Kayla
Speaker 1: became the face of the gun control debate for a while.
Speaker 1: President Clinton promised the mother quote as president, I'm going
Speaker 1: to do everything I can to see that this doesn't
Speaker 1: happen to other children.
Speaker 3: End quote.
Speaker 1: He met with congressional leaders the week after Kayla's death
Speaker 1: and asked how many people have to get killed before
Speaker 1: we do something? And it's like, oh, you have no idea,
Speaker 1: Like the numbers just going to keep growing and climbing
Speaker 1: and for the next two decades. And but a year
Speaker 1: later Clinton was out of office, George W. Bush was
Speaker 1: in some legislation called Kayla's Law, which had proposed a
Speaker 1: federal waiting period for firearms purchased at gun shows, had
Speaker 1: gone nowhere, And you know, we are where we are.
Speaker 1: So that's the fucked up case that this is based on.
Speaker 3: I mean, it didn't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have like the drug angle, but just the
Speaker 1: angle of children getting their hands on guns. And my
Speaker 1: friend actually who listens to the podcast, my lovely friend,
Speaker 1: she wrote me because we talked about this on another
Speaker 1: episode and like about how you talk to parents about
Speaker 1: how you find out when there's a gun in the
Speaker 1: home of like kids, because I I think I was
Speaker 1: talking about it on the podcast, being like how am
Speaker 1: I going to handle that? And she was like, the
Speaker 1: way I actually do it is like, hey, I just
Speaker 1: want to know if you have a gun, is it
Speaker 1: locked up? Like not to judge anyone for having a gun,
Speaker 1: you know more, just like is the gun locked up
Speaker 1: if you have it? And she said it has actually
Speaker 1: sparked a lot of great conversations with parents and stuff.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to when I don't send my
Speaker 1: kids on play dates alone yet because.
Speaker 3: They're too young and out of control.
Speaker 1: But when that starts to happen, you know, it's a good,
Speaker 1: good thing to ask, a necessary thing to ask. So
Speaker 1: we will be back in moments with our post mortem.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get into our post mortem. I mean,
Speaker 1: what a sad sad episode? This is really like I
Speaker 1: think I said get ready to get sad in one
Speaker 1: of our very first episodes, and a few people along
Speaker 1: the lines have asked us for that merch. And if
Speaker 1: you're gonna wear it watching any episode, it's this one.
Speaker 1: It really starts bad, continues to be bad, ends bad.
Speaker 2: We should do that, though, I know that's good murder,
Speaker 2: that's a good idea. Yeah, well, time to get sad?
Speaker 2: You get ready to get sad? Ready, get ready to
Speaker 2: get sad?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, But like I mean, honestly, all in all, it's
Speaker 1: like just the gun sickness in our country is obviously horrific,
Speaker 1: and we can't let guns get into the hands of
Speaker 1: small children because this is what happens. And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know that seems like pretty obvious, slow hanging fruit
Speaker 1: message for the show, but that's just how I feel that, Like,
Speaker 1: if you have a gun, it needs to be locked up,
Speaker 1: YadA YadA. I think everybody should have to take a
Speaker 1: fucking training course to use one. To be honest, we
Speaker 1: have to take a training course to use a car. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The gun nuts are always in la la land with
Speaker 2: their arguments and what ifs, and it's like, at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, so easy.
Speaker 3: A gun should be just like a car.
Speaker 2: You want a license to have a gun, you got
Speaker 2: to take a test and practice and are written and
Speaker 2: then you can get it. And guess what if you
Speaker 2: have two duys or you beat your wife, you.
Speaker 3: Don't get it. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't understand how it's just like a free
Speaker 1: for all. It's because that people will be like, why
Speaker 1: would I have to get a test, Like, well, I've
Speaker 1: been shooting since I was too Then the test will
Speaker 1: be easy for you to pass. The test will be
Speaker 1: so easy. Get in there, take it. You don't even
Speaker 1: have to study you know how to use a gun
Speaker 1: so good. But yeah, it's never like, you know, it's crazy,
Speaker 1: Like have you ever considered having a gun? When I
Speaker 1: first moved to New York City by myself, I was
Speaker 1: like twenty four, and I was like, twenty a gun,
Speaker 1: Like I thought, maybe a tiny little one for like
Speaker 1: my bedside table. And then I was like, what are
Speaker 1: you fucking It was like a flicker of a thought,
Speaker 1: and I was like, never in a million years should
Speaker 1: I have a gun. Also, I never felt unsafe in
Speaker 1: New York City. I think it was just I had
Speaker 1: just moved there and I'd like watched too many movies
Speaker 1: and was like, what do I do if somebody like
Speaker 1: tries to get into my apartment? Never happened, Like, it's
Speaker 1: just you know, I just I'm confessing right now that
Speaker 1: at the age of twenty four, I had a flicker
Speaker 1: of a thought of getting like a cute little pink
Speaker 1: gun or something like that.
Speaker 2: Oh if you if the thought of a pink gun
Speaker 2: has never crossed.
Speaker 3: Your mind, you're a liar. You're a liar. There's no way.
Speaker 2: Also, like the little gun from Men in Blacks showed
Speaker 2: you that little guns have lots of power. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I never had mace.
Speaker 1: I never had anything in New York. I never even
Speaker 1: had like a pointy key ring.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I wish I did, honestly.
Speaker 2: But someone was telling me that the keys between the
Speaker 2: fingers is actually a bad idea because if you punch,
Speaker 2: the key can like rip your skin in the middle
Speaker 2: and it actually like fucks up your fingers.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, I'm sure a rapist taught us
Speaker 3: how to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also like yeah, but also, don't you think
Speaker 1: rip your fingers?
Speaker 3: Who cares?
Speaker 1: At least you get like a key in somebody's eyeball
Speaker 1: or whatever.
Speaker 3: There was more like we have to we have to
Speaker 3: read about it, okay, but.
Speaker 1: It's like how it's like how like you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to like put your thumb inside the fist when you punch.
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna the rapists start giving us bad
Speaker 1: advice how to defend ourselves.
Speaker 3: But I think bear mace I would do.
Speaker 2: I'm into I think about a gun all the time
Speaker 2: because when the world, you know, who knows what's Sorry
Speaker 2: to bring this up, but the election is a nightmare
Speaker 2: and depending on what happens, Unfortunately a lot of people
Speaker 2: I don't agree with have guns, so like we need guns.
Speaker 2: I think about the end of the world and having
Speaker 2: a gun all the time. Yeah, I think about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a person that says, let's get
Speaker 1: rid of all the guns. I'm not, like, you know,
Speaker 1: I just like wanted to be regulated in some fucking
Speaker 1: kind of way. Jesus, I don't think anybody needs a
Speaker 1: R fifteen's But that's me.
Speaker 2: Wait, this is like old news, and I guess this
Speaker 2: is more of an intro than a post mortem topic.
Speaker 1: But you know, we had our holiday party. We saw Casey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we saw Casey in person. We did I mostly corner
Speaker 1: Dave Holmes, oh yeah, and I played and I played bowl,
Speaker 1: I played bowling.
Speaker 3: I bowled with him and his husband and I love them.
Speaker 2: I someone else tried to come talk to me, and
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I have day Ulms here and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stick with him.
Speaker 1: I was deathly hungover for three days. I was telling
Speaker 1: Casey before you got on the zoom, like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: my problem is. I went to a kid playdate where
Speaker 1: I love the moms, and so we had a couple
Speaker 1: glasses of wine together and then I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: gotta go going to my holiday party. Went and like
Speaker 1: went to the holiday party as if I was sober,
Speaker 1: because I wasn't feeling anything. But those two glasses of
Speaker 1: wine are still in your system. And then I just
Speaker 1: proceeded to start from scratching my mind and just drink
Speaker 1: all night. And then Thursday was I did almost nothing.
Speaker 1: I like caught up on all my housewives and like
Speaker 1: light on the couch like a dead seal.
Speaker 3: Sorry if that's a bad image. I just was like
Speaker 3: a beached whale.
Speaker 1: And then I then I that night, I went out
Speaker 1: to dinner with people, did not drink. I had Shirley temples.
Speaker 1: I did Alisa, I had Shirley temples. Then I went
Speaker 1: the next night to a party, did not touch a
Speaker 1: bounce of alcohol, Like I just could not do it.
Speaker 1: And then finally on the fourth night when I had
Speaker 1: another holiday party, I had two glasses of wine the
Speaker 1: entire evening and I went to two parties. I was
Speaker 1: just like, I'm not fucking with alcohol right now.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I I don't, you know, I don't get hungover much,
Speaker 1: and when I do, it's the feeling stays in my system.
Speaker 2: Way, yeah, because when you texted me, it was like
Speaker 2: quite early in the day and you had already watched
Speaker 2: two episodes of Bravo and I go, this isn't.
Speaker 3: This isn't Kara what Yeah the morning because I kind
Speaker 3: of canceled everything I had to do and was like
Speaker 3: I'm gonna die.
Speaker 2: But also I didn't make it to that one party
Speaker 2: that I wanted to go to. Were their celeb sidings.
Speaker 2: There were, but it wasn't as star studded as last year.
Speaker 2: I had a great time, but it was.
Speaker 1: There was still our favorite bravohead Jerry O'Connell, but he
Speaker 1: was not there with his wife this time, and the
Speaker 1: instinct member that we saw last year, Lands Bass, was
Speaker 1: not in attendance. But it's like fun. I talk to
Speaker 1: Brian Safie for a while. You know, it's like fun.
Speaker 1: People are at it. But once again, if you're a
Speaker 1: Rona and Beverly person, I saw Beverly from across the
Speaker 1: party and had a perfect opportunity to go up and
Speaker 1: introduce myself and never did. And now I have to
Speaker 1: wait another calendar year to try to do it because
Speaker 1: I love her so much and I really want to
Speaker 1: meet her.
Speaker 3: But I was too I was like two. I felt weird.
Speaker 3: I just didn't do it. Yeah, so I got to
Speaker 3: go with your heart. It's tough. It's tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people have any effects on you and you
Speaker 1: can't really control it. I know because I Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was kind of waiting for something to happen naturally, but
Speaker 1: it's like it's a massive party that's not happening.
Speaker 2: But oh sorry, I was gonna bring it back to
Speaker 2: our episode. No, I was gonna say universal child care
Speaker 2: for all. Yes, if there was universal child care, there
Speaker 2: would be so many problems that are that are happening.
Speaker 2: And I've been having veep on in the background of
Speaker 2: my life lately, and it's like she wanted to go
Speaker 2: for universal childcare and she couldn't, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: what the fuck take care of the kid.
Speaker 3: If you want everyone working take care of the kids,
Speaker 3: then like do something. Shit. Yeah, oh, I will say.
Speaker 1: At the second party that I went to, I saw
Speaker 1: an La specific celebrity sighting that was one of the
Speaker 1: Nithia Raman, one of the city council women who I
Speaker 1: like love, and I was like, I.
Speaker 3: Go, is that Nythiat?
Speaker 1: Like she was like the biggest celeb at this party,
Speaker 1: and there were other celebs at this party like, it
Speaker 1: was so funny, and I met her husband, but I
Speaker 1: didn't meet her, but it was it was fun. Anyway,
Speaker 1: let's get into this week's what would Sister Peg Do?
Speaker 1: This is our weekly segment where we direct you towards
Speaker 1: an organization a blog post.
Speaker 3: It's so funny, I say blog post. It sounds so
Speaker 3: like two thousand and.
Speaker 1: Seven article book something to give you more info about
Speaker 1: what we talked about today and this week, I wanted
Speaker 1: to just point you guys to the organization Mom's Demand
Speaker 1: Action for Gun Sense in America. I follow them on Instagram.
Speaker 1: They I support a lot of what they do. They
Speaker 1: are an American grassroots movement dedicated to passing stronger gun
Speaker 1: laws and closing legal loopholes for gun ownership. They also
Speaker 1: work with communities and business leaders to encourage a culture
Speaker 1: responsible gun ownership and I love what they do. So
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Speaker 1: so much for that.
Speaker 2: And it's fucked, but it does remind me of stop
Speaker 2: or my mom will shoot, even though it's the opposite sentiment. Okay,
Speaker 2: so does that make sense? Not at all? Okay, you
Speaker 2: didn't react at all. No, I'm sorry I was. I
Speaker 2: made a joke that wasn't that good. But you also
Speaker 2: just didn't react at all.
Speaker 3: And I'm sorry. I was looking down.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize we had an ad to record, so
Speaker 1: I was looking down and seeing it.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry I was. I should be listening. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: It's okay.
Speaker 2: I just said it's not right, but it reminds me
Speaker 2: of stop or my mom will shoot, but it is
Speaker 2: the opposite sentiment.
Speaker 1: But that's it. It's just so, that's all I thought of.
Speaker 1: But you were silent, so I obviously got in my
Speaker 1: fat Yeah, the office, it's.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, okay, okay, that's so funny. Okay, wait,
Speaker 3: did you already say next week's episode? Not at all?
Speaker 2: Next week episode is dependent? Season eight, episode fourteen, dependent,
Speaker 2: kind of how your parents had you on their Texas
Speaker 2: for longer than you would like to admit. We'll see
Speaker 2: you guys next week. We're obsessed with all of you.
Speaker 2: But also tell a friend to listen.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, let's go Yeah, let's get the fucking word out.
Speaker 3: Guys. All right, we love you, See you next week.
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