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Speaker 1: mister Kevin Turner, I'm Kyle Yeoman's without David Hellman today,
Speaker 1: an empty head said often to the riot. That's unfortunate,
Speaker 1: as mister Hellman is down in the motherland of New
Speaker 1: Orleans at the moment, had a fun time. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: he's living the rough life at the moment. That is tough.
Speaker 1: It's tough. I don't know how they're going to get
Speaker 1: through that. Put in a request to get him hologrammed in,
Speaker 1: but they didn't have it in the budget. So that's fine.
Speaker 1: We'll get it next time. We'll talk to Scott about that.
Speaker 1: We'll pick up the slack for Dave, who's probably partying
Speaker 1: right now. It is only eleven o'clock, I mean new Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's also they've been going for three hours. That's fair,
Speaker 1: they've they've been up since eight ready to work. But
Speaker 1: so if we were ready to get diving into the
Speaker 1: NFL Draft, it's crazy that we're now ten weeks away
Speaker 1: from the draft that'll kick off on April twenty third
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, Nevada, down on the Strip. And well, guys,
Speaker 1: we pride ourselves as a show of not just talking
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys and the Cowboys draft needs. We talk about
Speaker 1: the entirety of the NFL Draft, And I know recently,
Speaker 1: at least through the first five shows that we've had,
Speaker 1: we've talked a lot of Cowboys just because of the
Speaker 1: question marks and the needs that are there as an organization.
Speaker 1: But I feel like today we're going to do a
Speaker 1: good job of talking generalities in the draft and wanted
Speaker 1: to kind of start things off by talking about our
Speaker 1: top fives in these positions. And I feel like we've
Speaker 1: started seeing these pop up, these articles. I mean, Bucky
Speaker 1: Brooks put out a top five this past week, Daitas
Speaker 1: have two at the time about that, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: Dame Brugler had a top ten list of positions by
Speaker 1: a week, and a lot of those kind of shook
Speaker 1: up what I was thinking, and it kind of got
Speaker 1: the wheels turning a little bit as to what exactly
Speaker 1: are the top fives out there? What if our boards
Speaker 1: look like as a whole. And I feel like, Katie,
Speaker 1: I know you texted in our group text throughout the
Speaker 1: week you were kind of thinking the same thing. Kind
Speaker 1: of got the wheels turning a little bit. It is,
Speaker 1: and I try really hard to I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: like to avoid that stuff because it is content. But
Speaker 1: when I see it, I just don't change what I feel.
Speaker 1: But don't go change your board based on what you see.
Speaker 1: You know someone else thinks. So if you disagree with
Speaker 1: Dane or whoever, Daniel, Jeremiah or Jeff, then that's okay.
Speaker 1: You don't want to disagree with me, buddy, it's fine.
Speaker 1: That's dangerous, but it is. It does make you start going, okay,
Speaker 1: it is as you get a little closer, it really
Speaker 1: does make you start thinking twice and maybe looking at
Speaker 1: your notes again, or maybe watching tape again on someone
Speaker 1: who you might not have been sure on the first
Speaker 1: time or second time, and then it makes you kind
Speaker 1: of get your stack going a little bit better, and
Speaker 1: that just get you gives you those feelings, hey, we're
Speaker 1: getting a litt closer. So I started like pinning down
Speaker 1: some of these positions and once you do start stacking
Speaker 1: them up a little bit better on your board, and
Speaker 1: then kind of re read some of the notes that
Speaker 1: I had on them and just kind of refreshing myself
Speaker 1: on the players, I started going, yeah, I feel much
Speaker 1: better about things than I did a month ago. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We were talking about it, and it's crazy because when
Speaker 1: you think about the Cowboys specifically in all of these
Speaker 1: NFL organizations, it's gonna be ever changing. I mean, even
Speaker 1: right now, our top fives at the moment are prior
Speaker 1: to the combine. I mean, the combine isn't even here.
Speaker 1: And then even after the combine, we're gonna go into
Speaker 1: pro days, and I take more out of the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl and Shrine Bowl for some of these guys, and
Speaker 1: then I do the combine. I mean, the combine is fun,
Speaker 1: but combined is more about a lot of times accurate measurements.
Speaker 1: Sometimes there's a few drills and athleticism. But I really
Speaker 1: take more out of the Senior Bowl than I do
Speaker 1: the combine. At least I get more excited for the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl than I do the combine combine. The worst
Speaker 1: thing about the combine, Kyle, is that all of our
Speaker 1: corners end up getting in trouble. If they're listed at
Speaker 1: six foot, they're about to be five to eleven. Hand
Speaker 1: if they're listed at five to eleven, they're about to
Speaker 1: be five nine antoine or antoine. Winfield's gonna turn around
Speaker 1: and be about five eight. We're gonna go five o
Speaker 1: nine six five nine and three quarters. Get ready for
Speaker 1: can wide receivers get in trouble now for being too tall.
Speaker 1: Now I have a pretty good handle on how this works.
Speaker 1: If a guy's listed at sixty three, he is sixty three.
Speaker 1: That's the line. If a guy's listed at six two,
Speaker 1: he's six one. He's listened at six twenty six foot
Speaker 1: and on and on and on, but it's sixty three.
Speaker 1: They'll let you be your real height on a school's website.
Speaker 1: What about above that. They'll keep you at the regular
Speaker 1: because they don't want to go too big, okay, you know,
Speaker 1: because you'll get creeped out if they're like, hey, this
Speaker 1: receiver is six foot eleven, They're like, now he's sixty three. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they want you. They wanted to be normal. They don't
Speaker 1: want them to be kind of a freak of nature
Speaker 1: in that regard. Well, with all of that being said,
Speaker 1: and with the in the spirit of building boards and
Speaker 1: arguing back and forth, word we might get a chance
Speaker 1: to argue with Jeff Cavanar because I put together all
Speaker 1: these graphics and there was not a single top five
Speaker 1: out of these five positions that we're about to run
Speaker 1: through that was the same. That's the beauty of the same.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's twenty five different scenarios we're about to
Speaker 1: pull up. I'm looking at my own and I don't
Speaker 1: like it. And we've we've got all these scenarios. Let's
Speaker 1: start with safety. In our positional top fives, these are
Speaker 1: from US three. At the moment, we'll get Dave involved
Speaker 1: with this at some point. Whenever we get to some
Speaker 1: of these other positions, we're gonna start with Kat and
Speaker 1: the safeties that Kat has pulled up at the moment.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting to look at your board starting off
Speaker 1: with Grant Delpit, and that's the name that's been out
Speaker 1: there for the Cowboys really since day one. I feel
Speaker 1: really great about my top five safeties. Delp It is
Speaker 1: to me. And I saw Jeff retweeted something today of
Speaker 1: this mock draft roundup for the Cowboys who pick at seventeen,
Speaker 1: and like five of the six mock drafts had Xavier McKinney,
Speaker 1: and I just don't have Xavier McKinney in that top
Speaker 1: twenty range. Wow. I just and I do have Delpit there.
Speaker 1: And if delp It goes at twenty five, that's fine,
Speaker 1: But you know, seventeen is probably about that fifteen to
Speaker 1: twenty five range is kind of the good spot for
Speaker 1: him in the draft. I think it's not even close.
Speaker 1: When I look at that safety group, I just don't
Speaker 1: think Xavier McKinney is that close. I don't have questions
Speaker 1: about Grant and Delpot covering people. I do have questions
Speaker 1: about Xavier McKinney covering people. Okay, now the questions about
Speaker 1: Grant and Delpot tackling people, that's fine. Miss twenty five
Speaker 1: percent of his tackle attempts issue, Okay, we know that
Speaker 1: he was hurt. Okay, and that goes back to but
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen he was fine. He wasn't missing those tackles.
Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen he miss said twenty He missed twenty
Speaker 1: percent of his tackles. You watch tape and it's not
Speaker 1: as bad eighteen, But he had a lot better tape
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. The miss tackles are a thing. How
Speaker 1: many guy to safety but the miss tackles her a thing? Oh?
Speaker 1: How many guys over the years have we seen though,
Speaker 1: have a year when it's their final year when they
Speaker 1: can declare to go to the NFL Draft, and it's
Speaker 1: not as good as the year before. Now it's because
Speaker 1: they got more attention and teams were gay planning for him?
Speaker 1: Or is it because sometimes you're making business decisions and
Speaker 1: things like that. I don't know. I don't know, And
Speaker 1: maybe we need to find out more about Delpot. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's the big thing you can take out of the
Speaker 1: combine is team's interviewing. Well, I think I think those
Speaker 1: two right there. We'll take a look at at Jeff's
Speaker 1: safeties in his top five safeties, but I think it's
Speaker 1: really those two at the top. And I think all
Speaker 1: three of us had Delpin and McKinney as the top
Speaker 1: two safeties. But is there a disconnect from the guys
Speaker 1: after that though, and why is there such a big disconnect?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I don't think it's a
Speaker 1: huge disconnect between them and Winfield or Davis. No, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's huge. I don't think it's huge. I mean,
Speaker 1: to me, Winfield and McKinney are very close. Yeah, for
Speaker 1: me personally, I mean, and we're talking about size and
Speaker 1: a little bit of durability issues with Winfield that's keeping
Speaker 1: him from that. I mean, who are you guys comfortable
Speaker 1: with Zavian McKinney covering coach well enough with his back
Speaker 1: to the ball. No, No, but you know that probably
Speaker 1: won't happen much because you're playing him as a strong
Speaker 1: safe here, tight ends, running backs. Yeah, things like that.
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with him, but I'm with you, he's not.
Speaker 1: He's not my top guy, grand help. It is my
Speaker 1: top guy. Well, let's look at at Jeff's top five
Speaker 1: safeties overall, and oh man, it is up at the top,
Speaker 1: and oh wow, Yeah, that's why are we highlighting stuff?
Speaker 1: Highlights the reason why I highlighted that, why you got
Speaker 1: burgess of four there, burgess of Utah. All right, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna read you. I'm just gonna verbe him read
Speaker 1: the notes. Okay, go for it. He plays as a
Speaker 1: three deep safety, plays some man from slot, good athleticism
Speaker 1: to catch up if he's ever beat, can run down
Speaker 1: drags even if he's behind on the coverage, dependable low
Speaker 1: tackle or Everything about him is very smooth, natural mover,
Speaker 1: understanding of zone concepts, covers running backs, blitzes, plays more
Speaker 1: nickel corner than safety, nice change of direction, plays with
Speaker 1: the motor that doesn't cool down, so calm and such
Speaker 1: a fluid mover while five routes are happening around him.
Speaker 1: A touch undersized, but good player. Did see him fall
Speaker 1: off a tackle against USC. I like him. I like
Speaker 1: the coverage aspect at safety. I think the coverage aspect
Speaker 1: is so so so important. And I'll probably be the
Speaker 1: lowest guy on Ashton Davis and I like him but
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just watching the Burgess film at Utah.
Speaker 1: He was just a guy that I really really liked
Speaker 1: because I think that you can trust him to cover,
Speaker 1: you can trust him to tackle, not necessarily as a
Speaker 1: powerful finisher, but a guy that's gonna get people to
Speaker 1: the ground. And I just love his ability to cover.
Speaker 1: So you're comfortable taking in the second round at pick
Speaker 1: fifty one? Are you comfortable taking Trill Burgess? I got
Speaker 1: him as a two three, okay, so he probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: be my best player available. Are you comfortable taking Ashton Davis? There?
Speaker 1: Got him as a two three, So I'm going to
Speaker 1: be the Ashton Davis hater and it's gonna make me
Speaker 1: go back. I've done two games of Davis and I'll
Speaker 1: probably do four or five because I want to be
Speaker 1: by the time we get there more confident in the order.
Speaker 1: And I knew that would surprise people. But when I
Speaker 1: watched him, that was the guy I felt better about.
Speaker 1: And one of the things about Burgess is that he's
Speaker 1: not on a ton of radars now. He was talked
Speaker 1: about because he was at the Senior Bowl and he
Speaker 1: performed well over the course of the week in Mobile
Speaker 1: but one thing that I like about him, and that's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I highlighted him, because I
Speaker 1: feel like this is a guy we can talk about
Speaker 1: of being in that first three rounds as a legitimate
Speaker 1: starting contender at safety. He's not afraid to step up
Speaker 1: and plug a gap when needed. Yeah, and I like
Speaker 1: that he plays downhill. He's a solid tackler from the
Speaker 1: get go. More of a more of a strong safety,
Speaker 1: I guess than free is where I would see him
Speaker 1: at overall. But I like him as as a safety.
Speaker 1: Now I don't have him in my top five. My
Speaker 1: top five goes McKinney first. And I was ready to
Speaker 1: kind of argue I told you about it, but I
Speaker 1: feel much better after you throughout the stat because I
Speaker 1: didn't know the twenty eighteen stat, the twenty percent of
Speaker 1: miss tackles, I didn't know that. I knew it and
Speaker 1: know it by watching the exactly pay seventeen miss grand
Speaker 1: up at missed eight tackles twenty eighteen. He miss sixteen
Speaker 1: tackles twenty nineteen. He miss twenty tackles, so just four
Speaker 1: plus this year. And that's where the difference has been
Speaker 1: made in terms of let's miss some tackles, but hey,
Speaker 1: I'm here to go get the ball. I also have
Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger in my top four as well. We should
Speaker 1: talk about Kyle Dugger from Lenore Rhyne, which is a
Speaker 1: Division two school. I also went leap of faith based
Speaker 1: on Senior Bowl, based on YouTube, like three games on YouTube,
Speaker 1: based on clips that you can find if you just
Speaker 1: go search the internet. But I ain't my film database.
Speaker 1: I don't even have any Lenoor Ryan games couple. If
Speaker 1: you want go on leap of faith on this guy
Speaker 1: and until And that's why I'm glad Jeff brought up
Speaker 1: Terrell Burgess of Utah and their names. A guy that's
Speaker 1: left off your list to Texas Brandon Jones. And there
Speaker 1: are a few other guys you know at safety who
Speaker 1: might make a little sense a little bit further down
Speaker 1: the road. But to me, I do think it's a
Speaker 1: clear top three, at least at Delpitt, McKinney and Winfield.
Speaker 1: However you want to order that. I a lot of
Speaker 1: people have Davis in that top three instead of Winfield
Speaker 1: and at the beginning, and I don't think that anymore.
Speaker 1: I think Winfield's better. I understand it because you do
Speaker 1: see it with Ashton Davis sometimes, Like you see that
Speaker 1: he can instinctually be ahead of the play a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's what kind of excites me. What worries me
Speaker 1: about him, Like what I really like about Winfield is
Speaker 1: that he is stout, And what I really don't like
Speaker 1: about Ashton Davis is he's got kind of an eel
Speaker 1: Like he does heel like an eel, an eel slippery. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, his chest is small. It's really crazy.
Speaker 1: And I've seen him with his shirt off or anything,
Speaker 1: but I just like, look at his frame. You go, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I need to pack on a little bit there. Kind
Speaker 1: of going back to Kyle Dugger of Lenore Ryan as well,
Speaker 1: But this is a guy who was named the best
Speaker 1: defensive player in the Vision two, but he only played
Speaker 1: just seven games this year due to a little bit
Speaker 1: of an injury issue. Now business decision. It was a
Speaker 1: business decision. At the same time, he goes to the
Speaker 1: Combine and after making some people look a little silly
Speaker 1: on film throughout the year a D two, he goes
Speaker 1: or not to the Combine. He goes to the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl rather, and he was able to show out one
Speaker 1: of the best safeties, if not the best safety in
Speaker 1: mobile and that's why I kind of have him in
Speaker 1: my top four as well. You can find Division two
Speaker 1: players that okay, so the tape's not gonna be readily available.
Speaker 1: I played at Abilene Christian in O four and oh five,
Speaker 1: and I played with a guy named Danielle Manning who
Speaker 1: ended up being a ten year starter in the league.
Speaker 1: He was picked in the second round by the Chicago Bears,
Speaker 1: and you knew it. On the practice field, you knew it,
Speaker 1: and the games, you knew it. Just because they're Division
Speaker 1: two doesn't mean they can't go in the first two
Speaker 1: or three rounds and be ballers in the nflgitimate NFL talent,
Speaker 1: and that's one of the reasons why I have him
Speaker 1: up there in my top four. Let's stick with secondary.
Speaker 1: Go into corner, all right, I'll start this one out.
Speaker 1: We'll go the reverse order this time. But all three
Speaker 1: of our top corners are the same, and it's really
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. It's Jeffrey Okuda from Ohio State.
Speaker 1: What a guy I mean. And then once we go
Speaker 1: from two to five, that's where we start to differ
Speaker 1: a little bit. Christian killed him this second one. I've
Speaker 1: also got Jeff Gladdeney at five. I like what gladdene
Speaker 1: brings to the table. From TCU Christian Fulton at las,
Speaker 1: who's my second best corner on the board at the moment,
Speaker 1: I like it. I like, uh, well, I'll say, I
Speaker 1: like the order of your first two, okay, and then
Speaker 1: you want to switch it up after that not a
Speaker 1: little bit. But I know that you know that's that's
Speaker 1: a list that I think is standard. And I don't
Speaker 1: mean that as a positive or negative. I just feel
Speaker 1: like that's sort of the order that I've kind of
Speaker 1: seen guys in from different people. We put a lot
Speaker 1: of faith in with Dane does and you know a
Speaker 1: lot of other people. My order will be a little
Speaker 1: bit different. But I also think that it's a really
Speaker 1: good cornerback class. Yeah, we've talked a lot about Oh,
Speaker 1: the receiver group is really deep and the offensive tackle
Speaker 1: a corner to me so far watching tapes up there,
Speaker 1: I've got eight guys in the first two rounds and
Speaker 1: there could be more. So I don't have Trevon Diggs
Speaker 1: in my top five, okay, I have I have Faulton
Speaker 1: is my second guy. CJ. Henderson at Florida is the
Speaker 1: third guy, Jeff Gladney at TCU, and then Damon Arnett
Speaker 1: Ohio State is my kind of slept on guy that
Speaker 1: I really like. I watched him, I studied him the
Speaker 1: other day and Arnett watch him play Clemson. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: were going to Okuda, they weren't going at Arnett, and
Speaker 1: I just I love his ability to play cover three,
Speaker 1: to play man defense, uh, stickiness and coverage aggressive. I
Speaker 1: just I think that that Arnett's a really good player
Speaker 1: that's not talked about enough and does this signs kind
Speaker 1: of bother you a little bit. He's a little small.
Speaker 1: He's listened at five to eleven Coyle, Yeah, five eleven on,
Speaker 1: which means he's probably five o nine seven. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's that's and that's part of why I
Speaker 1: didn't give him a first round grade, because I think
Speaker 1: his tape you could put him in the first round.
Speaker 1: I think the size, but the way he competes for
Speaker 1: a football in the air that's not affected. You know,
Speaker 1: he's going up knocking away balls intended for t Higgins.
Speaker 1: He's not afraid to play with big receivers and play
Speaker 1: the catchpoint, gets his head around, plays the ball in
Speaker 1: the air. I'm a fan of Damon Arnett, little grabby
Speaker 1: when you go on the inside routes. Yeah, but cover
Speaker 1: three press man, I like him. He got a lot
Speaker 1: of targets too, because you know they had Sewn Wade,
Speaker 1: who I thought Sean Wade was going to declare for
Speaker 1: the drafted Ohio State and just secondary Okuda, you know,
Speaker 1: so he's gonna get a little bit of action. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't have him as highly grated as you, but
Speaker 1: I do like Dave Narnette, and I've got him kind
Speaker 1: of a little bit further time. I've got him at seven.
Speaker 1: So I'm right outside and talk my cornerback nine. Um
Speaker 1: for me, it's Okuda of Ohio State. My uh, this
Speaker 1: is the one that I think people are killing me
Speaker 1: for right now. Jeff Gladney of TCU as my second
Speaker 1: ranked corner. Well, I don't think you're alone there. I
Speaker 1: do like the Jeff's being so high. This is great,
Speaker 1: that's true. You got some Jeffrey. This is out the standings. Yeah. CJ.
Speaker 1: Henderson of Florida. I absolutely love Christian Fulton of LSU.
Speaker 1: And then my fifth corner of Trevon Diggs of Alabama.
Speaker 1: But we can start to talk about Cameron Danceler from
Speaker 1: Mississippi State. That's my seventh corner. I like him a lot.
Speaker 1: His tape against LSU is incredible. Cameron dan Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: could not get open on Cameron Danzler, which is saying
Speaker 1: something could Chase got open on everybody? Yeah. With Gladney
Speaker 1: and he's this is where combine could be huge for him.
Speaker 1: Now he may go run a four three something, but
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that matters as much. His speed is
Speaker 1: evident on tape. You don't worry about his speed. I
Speaker 1: have him measured at five ten, one eighty three. Now
Speaker 1: I don't know that was that was in the spring.
Speaker 1: I've seen guys. I watched some defensive tackles last night
Speaker 1: who were like thirty pounds more at the Shrine game
Speaker 1: than they were listed in the spring. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: they were transitioned inside. With Gladney five ten, is he
Speaker 1: gonna be five to eleven? His size will absolutely matter.
Speaker 1: But I do think he plays pretty tough on the outside,
Speaker 1: and I think, aside from Okuda, I think he's the
Speaker 1: second best mirror corner in this draft in terms of
Speaker 1: just turning your hips and running with someone. I want
Speaker 1: to take this really quickly. If the Cowboys pick at
Speaker 1: seventeen and they don't move around, we're sticking and picking
Speaker 1: at seventeen. How many of the corners on your list
Speaker 1: would you be comfortable going, Oh, those a good pick
Speaker 1: at seventeen, like high fiving pick or just a solid pick. Sure,
Speaker 1: let's say how many are a high five and how
Speaker 1: many are a solid pick. I have three that I
Speaker 1: would say, you know what, I have two that I
Speaker 1: would say five, yeah, okay, I have one high five,
Speaker 1: and then two where I'd go okay, and then I'm
Speaker 1: ruling out Okuda too. Okay, I'm not ruling yeah, he
Speaker 1: actually want to make it like Fulton or Henderson, I
Speaker 1: would go okay, and then like Henderson there too anybody
Speaker 1: else and I'd be like, yeah, you could have moved back. See,
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling the same way you are about gladdening
Speaker 1: out of TCU though. Kat Yeah, Like I like him
Speaker 1: and he's number five on my list. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, if he would to be picked by the
Speaker 1: Cowboys at seventeen, I'm not high fiving anybody. Well, I've
Speaker 1: got a little nugget for you. In the second segment
Speaker 1: about him that might a little give you a little
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys are gonna have a good chance to
Speaker 1: to spend some time with him. So that'll be that'll
Speaker 1: be something a little bit of a look ahead. I
Speaker 1: like it. Let's go one more position before we take
Speaker 1: our first break, and we're gonna go to the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball. This will be fun tight ends. Okay,
Speaker 1: We've got plenty of tight end differences, and of course
Speaker 1: this is a class that I mean, I even tweeted
Speaker 1: about it this week. I'm not very high on this
Speaker 1: tight end class, but I think there are a couple
Speaker 1: guys that could be difference makers. We're gonna start with
Speaker 1: Kat's top five in terms of tight ends in the
Speaker 1: draft at the moment now, I thought yours was interesting
Speaker 1: because right up there at the top, you've got mister
Speaker 1: Notre Dame Cole Comet up there, and that was kind
Speaker 1: of interesting to me because he was on Jeff and
Speaker 1: I's list, but he was a little bit further down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think you're getting a guy who's super pro
Speaker 1: ready right now. Forty three catches last year, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, not anything huge or anything, but the soft
Speaker 1: hands really stand out. He looks very comfortable. It's like
Speaker 1: he's catching an infant every time a football is thrown
Speaker 1: at him. Catching an infant. Yeah, we've got an eel
Speaker 1: and we've got catching an infant. I mean that's why
Speaker 1: kat if ever release as a draft guide five grand
Speaker 1: awesome because the references will be hilarious. I think, look,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna blow you away with his speed or
Speaker 1: anything like that, but I think he gives you. I
Speaker 1: think he's a safe pick. And again, I don't have
Speaker 1: a first round graded tight end, but I think he
Speaker 1: does enough to get down the seams. His athleticism you're
Speaker 1: probably gonna question at times, but it's just enough as
Speaker 1: a blocker in line to just kind of get through it. Now. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm not excited about cole Comet because my tight end
Speaker 1: one would not take him at seventeen, would love to
Speaker 1: have him at fifty one. But you know, I do
Speaker 1: think you're getting a guy who is ready to go immediately.
Speaker 1: And we've seen a lot of second round tied ends
Speaker 1: in the past. I would say with the Bears and
Speaker 1: Adam Sheheen and that workout man at Gaviness, if I
Speaker 1: took cole Comet in the same range as those guys went.
Speaker 1: I would feel so good about it because I do
Speaker 1: think he's ready to contribute. Is he gonna be Ertz
Speaker 1: or Kelsey or Kittle? No, I don't probably. I don't
Speaker 1: know if the athleticism is there, but I do think
Speaker 1: he can be a threat immediately. I don't think any
Speaker 1: of us have a Round one graded tight end, do you, Jeff,
Speaker 1: I do not. I didn't think. So let's take a
Speaker 1: look at yours really quickly. In your top five. But man,
Speaker 1: once again it's comment down at the bottom. But you
Speaker 1: got Harrison Bryan at Fau, Hunter Bryant Washington troutman of Dayton,
Speaker 1: and then Bryson Hopkins would produe. Yeah, as you can
Speaker 1: tell here, you know, I just I don't like having
Speaker 1: differences from Kati because being judged and or shamed or
Speaker 1: my two greatest fears. It's pretty rough. As you can tell.
Speaker 1: My top two guys are more of your big slot players,
Speaker 1: Harrison Bryant, Hunter Bryant, and they're also the guys with
Speaker 1: the really big production numbers Harrison Bryan, Hunter Bryan. I
Speaker 1: think both were over nine hundred yards. Harrison is actually
Speaker 1: the one that I liked better and I may be
Speaker 1: alone on having him as tight end number one, but
Speaker 1: he was over a thousand yards last year, huge production,
Speaker 1: love the speed, he'd love the balance, big threat, slot fades, outs, corners, crossers.
Speaker 1: He didn't have a couple of drops against UAB. He
Speaker 1: also made a circus catch in that game. Yes, then
Speaker 1: he caught a short crosser and got destroyed and didn't mind.
Speaker 1: Still made a hands catch, ran over a guy against UTSA.
Speaker 1: It's weird because he doesn't really get his body down
Speaker 1: for the contact, but he's just naturally strong enough to
Speaker 1: kind of bounce off guys. Some fenders just bounce off
Speaker 1: of him, kind of what it looks like. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can kind of toss guys around. So I like Harrison
Speaker 1: Bryant as my top guy, Like Hunter Bryan is my
Speaker 1: second guy, and then Troutman at Dayton is my third guy.
Speaker 1: And like I'll readily admit that cole Cometta think today
Speaker 1: would be a better NFL player with Troutman. You're looking
Speaker 1: at Oh, he's a freak. Yeah. I think he's a
Speaker 1: really big, strong, tough I don't think he really knows
Speaker 1: what he's doing, But I think somebody will pick Adam
Speaker 1: Troutman second fifty with a wingspan of almost seventy eight
Speaker 1: inches and then not even that, but he's athletic at
Speaker 1: the same time, and he can run. Yeah, I do
Speaker 1: worry a little bit about those kind of guys that,
Speaker 1: like I have. Trutman is a third round guy because
Speaker 1: to me, that's where I would take the risk of watching.
Speaker 1: When he's in line, they snapped the ball, and when
Speaker 1: he's coming off the line, he's basically just plowing into
Speaker 1: whoever's trying to play, bumping run and then whenever he
Speaker 1: gets through it, he gets through it like there's nothing
Speaker 1: technique about it. It's just oh well, I'll just start running.
Speaker 1: And it's like if that doesn't work out at the
Speaker 1: next level, you're going up, oh real quickly. And that's
Speaker 1: why the tight end is a position that I will
Speaker 1: readily admit I'm happy to get rid of on my offense.
Speaker 1: Like we get some big wide receivers. That's why I'm
Speaker 1: picking the receivers there. And that's white and that's kind
Speaker 1: of why I had commit at number one, is because
Speaker 1: in that position, I'm kind of going just something safe
Speaker 1: because I don't really might not have any use for
Speaker 1: you in my offense. And that's a good transition because
Speaker 1: I'm the same way with my top five because at
Speaker 1: the top of mine, I've got Hunter Bryant. You talk
Speaker 1: about a smaller tie it in who can do everything
Speaker 1: for you, who's basically a wide receiver. I mean the
Speaker 1: guy is he's in the backfield, he's on the in
Speaker 1: the slot. He does everything, or at least he did
Speaker 1: everything for Washington at the time. Then I've got Commet
Speaker 1: as my second Harrison Bryant once again, like we just
Speaker 1: talked about, another one of those do what everything guys.
Speaker 1: And then I've got Thaddeus Moss in my top five.
Speaker 1: I've got him that number four from LSU Adam Troutman
Speaker 1: kind of rounds things out at number five. See, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be really interesting in the combine. Might help some
Speaker 1: of these guys. Not that the forty is end all
Speaker 1: be all at all. Yeah, I want to know what
Speaker 1: Thaddus Moss runs it, and I I'm waiting on his
Speaker 1: four eight. Well, I want to know what Cole Commet runs.
Speaker 1: I want to know what Hunter Hunter Bright may go
Speaker 1: run a four to five eight. Yeah, you know, Harrison
Speaker 1: Bryan may go run a four six five. You know
Speaker 1: is Cole Commet gonna be in the four eights? Is
Speaker 1: Thaddius Moss gonna run a four to nine? I watched
Speaker 1: watching Thaddius Moss. There are times where he will do
Speaker 1: some He'll go up and get the ball like his
Speaker 1: dad would. Yeah, catches everything, But my goodness, you go,
Speaker 1: he is lumbering to get up the field, and that's
Speaker 1: probably gonna be a problem. Now. Is it safe to
Speaker 1: say that tight end might be the class that bounces
Speaker 1: around most in the combine? I think because I think
Speaker 1: it could. I think it could be one of the
Speaker 1: positions that we see justle around more so than the rest.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna see many risers out of that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and maybe maybe it's Troutman and maybe as
Speaker 1: unor Bryant from Washington. Yeah, maybe those guys rise. But
Speaker 1: I still think you're gonna get a you know, a class.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know the wide receivers are gonna
Speaker 1: hold off on everyone. I think the wide receivers as
Speaker 1: as a class could could kind of fall back a
Speaker 1: little bit, and maybe that does make room for some
Speaker 1: tight ends. But I just don't see anyone rising there
Speaker 1: except you know, the two guys. We kind of talked
Speaker 1: about it's a fun class because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: any different players, but it's just nothing amazing. Well, we've
Speaker 1: gone through three positions. We were trying to get to five,
Speaker 1: but we are way over time, so we're gonna push
Speaker 1: those away for later. David Hellman will have to come
Speaker 1: chime in a little bit on some of those other positions.
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Speaker 1: We continue to roll on here in episode number six
Speaker 1: of the Draft show. Well, you're gonna start things off
Speaker 1: with Jeremy. Excuse me. Jeremy recently saw a Dallas Day
Speaker 1: article with several instant interesting names you've all mentioned in
Speaker 1: the past. If you could only have one Dallas Day prospect,
Speaker 1: who would it be? In what realists to cow Okay,
Speaker 1: let me give you guys some names of guys that
Speaker 1: are eligible for Dallas Day. Jeffrey Okuda is eligible for
Speaker 1: Dallas Day. There's my guy, James Prochet is eligible for Dallasday.
Speaker 1: J Jalen Raiger, TCU, Laviska Chanaul he went to De
Speaker 1: Soto justin Matabekee. He went to McKinney North, I believe, yes,
Speaker 1: Jeff Gladney, T Deevin DuVernay, h Saxy, Yeah, Ross Blacklock, TCU,
Speaker 1: T ta Eno, Benjamin the running back from Arizona State
Speaker 1: East Product. There are ah wait, sorry, guys, Mason Fine,
Speaker 1: North Texas quarterback North tex Is who you want? No,
Speaker 1: the guys who are coligible to be Dallas Day. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's a ridiculous list. So they could use their thirty
Speaker 1: visits on a lot of people, and then they could
Speaker 1: get an extra ten first rounders on Dallas Day to
Speaker 1: swing through if they wanted to. Would you put Jalen
Speaker 1: rag in that? Yeah? Okay, So I guess ideally, if
Speaker 1: I could have any of them, I'll take Jeffrey Okuda
Speaker 1: at seventeen. Thanks. That would be nice. Right. There's there's
Speaker 1: another day I want to throw out just because I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's there because the Cowboys are really they're they're
Speaker 1: thirty visits. You're right, man, they can pick and choose
Speaker 1: and kind of spread this thing out, which is what
Speaker 1: we've been kind of wanting them to do. Except if
Speaker 1: I were one of these guys, Like if I were
Speaker 1: Jalen Rager and they're like, hey, we want me to
Speaker 1: come to Dallas Day so we can save a visit,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, no, I'm wanting by myself. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you like, I'm not forefront of this, I'm not coming
Speaker 1: with fifty dudes. I'm gonna come to the facility by myself,
Speaker 1: free visit. Extend the invite then, and then decide if
Speaker 1: you want to invite him as a top thirty because
Speaker 1: it might not be picking any wide receivers in the
Speaker 1: first three rounds and you may want you don't do
Speaker 1: that to me. I'm trying to watch you if you
Speaker 1: get a chance, Jeff. It's a little bit downline. Darry
Speaker 1: and Daniels defensive alignment from Nebraska. Okay, he's an interesting
Speaker 1: name to keep an eye on. Again. We're talking day
Speaker 1: three now, but that's a guy who will be at
Speaker 1: Dallas Day or we'll have a Dallas Day invite. At
Speaker 1: least Reggie Robinson's your guy, adn't he. Reggie Robinson from
Speaker 1: Tulsa is one of my favorite cornerbacks in the draft.
Speaker 1: In fact, I do have him grated better than your
Speaker 1: guy Damon our Nettow. Whoa, whoa. I love Reggie Robinson,
Speaker 1: the cornerback from Tulsa a Dallas Day invite as well.
Speaker 1: So I just I think there's it's great that you
Speaker 1: get this opportunity. And I think the Cowboys are one
Speaker 1: of the teams that really benefits because of where they
Speaker 1: live and we crank out good football players here in
Speaker 1: the great state of Texas. But this year, or even
Speaker 1: more so than years past, I'm seeing a bunch of
Speaker 1: names pop on the Dallas Day potential list. And you know,
Speaker 1: if those players decided to show up or Dona is
Speaker 1: up today, and I'll give you, I'll give you an
Speaker 1: offensive player and a defensive player that I would like
Speaker 1: to at least look at in terms of Dallas Day.
Speaker 1: Devin Duvernet of Texas, which we've talked about in length
Speaker 1: because he could be a mid round product of Saxy
Speaker 1: High School that could stay in the thew area. Of course,
Speaker 1: he went to Texas. Then you've got Jeff Gladney, who
Speaker 1: we just talked about a couple of moments ago in
Speaker 1: our first segment from TCU. I like what he brings
Speaker 1: to the table. He's out of New Boston, Texas, which
Speaker 1: is I don't even know where New Boston is, but
Speaker 1: he went to TCU, so that it's all that matters.
Speaker 1: But there's two guys, and that's just a potential of
Speaker 1: the kind of guys that could be wearing the star
Speaker 1: on their helmet next year that are at Dallas Day
Speaker 1: because they fit into those needs. Yeah, and they're gonna
Speaker 1: get an extra look at no doubt about. It'd be
Speaker 1: different if it was a bunch of offensive linemen, you know,
Speaker 1: or running backs, and there are some good running backs
Speaker 1: on that list as well of who could potentially come
Speaker 1: to Dallas Day. But you know, this team is probably
Speaker 1: not gonna draft a running back. This team might not
Speaker 1: drafting offensive lineman. We'll see how it goes. You know,
Speaker 1: we know the needs on this team, and I think
Speaker 1: that's very interesting that some of those needs fit and well,
Speaker 1: hopefully these players all decide to come to Dallas. Realistic
Speaker 1: off that list, I would take either justin mad A Bouquet,
Speaker 1: matabk Yeah, it's Mattabeka. Okay, I promise I'm getting different
Speaker 1: ones here. I googled it. You googled it, well, trust me,
Speaker 1: I've gone back and forth. I've looked it up many times.
Speaker 1: Either him or Ross Blacklock as your second round pick
Speaker 1: down with that, either one of those guys at d tackle,
Speaker 1: I'd take one of those. I mean, you're going secondary
Speaker 1: in the first or wide receiver. I guess you don't
Speaker 1: worry about me. I fan of both of those players.
Speaker 1: I think I like Blacklock a little bit more, but
Speaker 1: I think that is that is a good range for
Speaker 1: those guys too. You know, those guys are guys who
Speaker 1: have a chance to be top fifty guys and have
Speaker 1: a chance to be guys where if you're on the
Speaker 1: clock in the second round, you're going, oh or these
Speaker 1: guys are going to be there. And the more I
Speaker 1: look at Blackclock, the more I don't know if he'll
Speaker 1: be there at fifty one, because that's kind of a
Speaker 1: he might not kind of an iffy thing, and if
Speaker 1: he goes to the combine and shows out, he may
Speaker 1: very well not be. Kind of sticking with the same theme,
Speaker 1: our next question comes from chip People's and he asked
Speaker 1: what Texas product can improve their stock the most at
Speaker 1: the NFL combine. We just mentioned Ross Blacklock, but who
Speaker 1: else could come out of that? And that's not talking
Speaker 1: about the University of Texas. This is the state of
Speaker 1: Texas and maybe even going back to high school, what
Speaker 1: about Colin Johnson? Colin john Colin Johnson runs a good
Speaker 1: forty and good agilities at six five or six six.
Speaker 1: If if he burns up to forty, uh, I think
Speaker 1: that could help him. How's he gonna look in the
Speaker 1: gauntlet where he's running laterally across the field, turning his shoulders,
Speaker 1: turning his hips to catch foot routs? Is I'm gonna
Speaker 1: turn a little bit and kind of have that Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant motion. And I'll say the same thing to to
Speaker 1: a little less extent to Baylor wide receiver Denzel Mims.
Speaker 1: How is he gonna look laterally across the field tape?
Speaker 1: That's my favorite drill that the wide receivers do at
Speaker 1: the carbbine is the gauntlet where they just run across
Speaker 1: and they have to turn the catch a pass, drop
Speaker 1: the ball, catch pass ketch bass and get to see it,
Speaker 1: get a good look at their hands, but also you
Speaker 1: get a good look at how they turn their hips
Speaker 1: and turn their body and their awareness and how quickly
Speaker 1: they react. And I think that's one. James Prochet from
Speaker 1: SMU is another wide receiver who needs to go run well.
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, I think he needs to go run well. Um.
Speaker 1: I think people have a little more faith than Devin
Speaker 1: de Varney. I know I do UM and moving away
Speaker 1: from from the wide receiver position, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: nothing's really jumping out. I mean, I guess in Texas,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of Oh, I'm Josh Jones. A
Speaker 1: few was thinking left tackle. He was a Senior Bowl guy.
Speaker 1: He may go run the fastest forty of offensive lines
Speaker 1: athletic man, and he moves laterally really well, and I
Speaker 1: think he could potentially benefit another guy that's not a
Speaker 1: wide receiver in Eno Benjamin out of Arizona State. But
Speaker 1: kind of talking about Josh Jones, sticking with that, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're not really looking at these offensive lineman as a
Speaker 1: Cowboys organization at the moment. But this is a guy
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl that was throwing punches man, I mean,
Speaker 1: he was mauling defensive lineman and really a defensive line
Speaker 1: class that was impressive throughout the week in mobile. I
Speaker 1: just think he moves so well on tape, and it
Speaker 1: reminds me of you know, some of these left tackles
Speaker 1: or right tackles. Wherever they're going to play in the
Speaker 1: NFL usually comes to how teams are, how they need
Speaker 1: him at the point. But like I used to think of,
Speaker 1: we've seen some stiff guys taken and the top, you know, fifteen,
Speaker 1: I remember Eric Flowers will always jump at you from
Speaker 1: New York, and it's easy in hindsight to say that,
Speaker 1: but I remember we're all going huh. And I think
Speaker 1: of Colton Davis from UCLA though, who also was a
Speaker 1: little different. He was a guy or Colton Miller, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: from Ucla, who the Raiders took at eighteen, and he
Speaker 1: was a guy who moved really well but didn't have
Speaker 1: the power. I think Josh Jones is more than just
Speaker 1: a good mover. Andre Dillard is a guy from Washington
Speaker 1: State last year who went in the first round and
Speaker 1: he moved really well but also showed you the strength.
Speaker 1: And Josh Jones shows you enough strength on tape to
Speaker 1: make you go okay. Now there's sometimes where there's technique
Speaker 1: fumbles and his feet are kind of bad. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: worry about that a little bit, But I mean I
Speaker 1: don't have any problem with him, you know, sneaking into
Speaker 1: the back half of the first round if that, if
Speaker 1: that were to happen. One more name to answer Chip's
Speaker 1: question before we move on, But what about Courtney Davis
Speaker 1: out of Texas A and M kind of going back
Speaker 1: to wide receivers. This is a guy that was kind
Speaker 1: of a last minute addition to the Senior Bowl roster,
Speaker 1: played semi well. I mean he was definitely he held
Speaker 1: his own throughout the week in Mobile. He wasn't the
Speaker 1: best receiver there. I think Denzel Mims might have taken
Speaker 1: him a cake on that one. But I think Courtney Davis,
Speaker 1: if he goes out and runs really well with a
Speaker 1: combine and puts up some numbers, he could potentially go
Speaker 1: from a late day three guy to late day two.
Speaker 1: He's gonna run well, and for a bigger guy too.
Speaker 1: I mean he's six two yeah, two h five at
Speaker 1: least that's what I have on him right now. He's
Speaker 1: gonna run really well to come by and I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna run. Like my springtime on him as a
Speaker 1: four to five three. I mean, I think he's gonna run,
Speaker 1: and you watch him on tape, you're going, Okay, that's
Speaker 1: faster than that. Yeah. So I think he's gonna be
Speaker 1: a low four four guy. And you know, he's really
Speaker 1: good after the catch. That's that's where he wins. Just
Speaker 1: get the ball into his hands. Does he always catch
Speaker 1: the ball with his hands? Does he have some drops?
Speaker 1: He absolutely does. He's got some inconsistencies that make you nervous.
Speaker 1: I have him as a fourth round grade, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of a Day three guy, early day three. I've
Speaker 1: got him out as a fifth round because you see
Speaker 1: the explosiveness after the catch, big catch radius, you know,
Speaker 1: big target for the quarterback. I just there's so many
Speaker 1: drops and little things about his route running that make
Speaker 1: you go oh. But once you get the ball in
Speaker 1: his hands, you're really happy that that happened. So that's
Speaker 1: how I feel about him. And we didn't even mention too.
Speaker 1: Jalen Ragor again as Jeff's guy here, Jalen Ragor may
Speaker 1: go do run a four to eight. Yeah, Like that's
Speaker 1: go out, Henry Ruggs. That'll help your drafts out would
Speaker 1: be interested. That's how you go from being talked about
Speaker 1: at thirty five to being talked about at ten fifteen.
Speaker 1: Is it gonna help that Jalen Ragor is gonna wrap
Speaker 1: out two twenty five like thirty times? Does that help
Speaker 1: a drive four to eighty. He's gonna ask are we
Speaker 1: doing squats here? May we not do that? But eight
Speaker 1: hundred on? Oh man, let's move on. Next question comes
Speaker 1: from Jack Parsley, and Jack asked, could you see the
Speaker 1: Cowboys addressing backup quarterback in this year's draft? It's so
Speaker 1: where with Dak making big money next season, I'd like
Speaker 1: to have a quality backup who's cheap for the next
Speaker 1: four years. And also not to Benchi, Cooper Rush's contract
Speaker 1: is up as well. So quarterbacks goes so fast they do,
Speaker 1: and this year quarterback I mean, yeah, outside of the
Speaker 1: top five quarterbacks. And then I would maybe throw in
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts because I'm actually interested in that backing up Dak.
Speaker 1: Not as an NFL starter, no, but as a guy
Speaker 1: who has similar positive traits in college too. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: interested in that if I can use a fourth round
Speaker 1: pick off. But I don't think of a name though,
Speaker 1: with this organization and with a guy like Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: bringing in a name like Jalen Hurst, I mean, if
Speaker 1: it is, I think that would be a problem with
Speaker 1: your starting quarterback. I'd be like, wait, we're worried about
Speaker 1: behind us? Yeah, I don't think anybody should be. And
Speaker 1: I don't think Dak would be heck Selson backup Jerseys. Uh, Jerry,
Speaker 1: I'll love it. I am interested in Easton from Washington
Speaker 1: as another name, but after that, and then he's gonna
Speaker 1: go in like the top forty and you're gonna be like,
Speaker 1: what and we're doing he shouldn't be going in the
Speaker 1: top forty. You know what I would do seventh round
Speaker 1: if Jake from still in the board. From there, I
Speaker 1: just want a guy who's gonna be the scout team guy.
Speaker 1: Make sure you're throwing it to the right spot. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: what if From's there, If you're if you're not willing
Speaker 1: to invest in an actual backup quarterback, then what are
Speaker 1: we doing? And that's kind of the question. Go sign
Speaker 1: a veteran, go grab a one, just go get someone.
Speaker 1: Yeah that sounds easy, but I'm not like, if my
Speaker 1: quarterback gets hurt I'm probably screwed. Okay, it's a luxury
Speaker 1: if a quarterback gets hurt and I find a way
Speaker 1: to survive. I hear you, Tom Moore. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: do that, nineteen goes down, we're left. We don't practice
Speaker 1: out exactly. And that's the dude, that's that's that's the story, right,
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning. If you're gonna pay your quarterback too, that's
Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, right, If you're paying your quarterback, well,
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to invest much in a backup quarterback,
Speaker 1: It's fine. I'm not gonna be doing what the Saints did.
Speaker 1: So you think the Saints must be honest? You think
Speaker 1: that the Saints. I know Teddy had to play this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you think the Saints were happy about not having
Speaker 1: that extra ten million dollars a cap room to go
Speaker 1: get another offensive weapon this year. That's true. They could
Speaker 1: have that, They could have been able to do that.
Speaker 1: I don't know who that weapon. I think they would
Speaker 1: rather have that extra weapon or the five and oh
Speaker 1: they went with their backup quarterback. Could Taysom Hill have
Speaker 1: gun five and oh? No? Does Sean Payton think Tasom
Speaker 1: milk of gun five and oh or played him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he played less when Teddy was playing than he did there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill was verted to the bench, but he's a
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. Guys, shout out to that special team's coach
Speaker 1: who I knew exactly what he looked like before I
Speaker 1: even looked him up. You tell me, Taysom Hill throws
Speaker 1: it better than Lamar Jackson. I know a lot of
Speaker 1: things about you, I promise so, Katie, you're saying you
Speaker 1: would rather spend those latter round picks on other needs
Speaker 1: than potentially back up might be wide receivers. You might
Speaker 1: just load it up with wide receivers. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: in this class, maybe what's gonna be there for you
Speaker 1: in round five? Yeah? Is there gonna be a good player?
Speaker 1: There would be good receivers. They had James Prochet from
Speaker 1: SMUs there for you. Yeah, in round five? Worst Denzel
Speaker 1: Mims going? Am I gonna be able to get him
Speaker 1: in like the fourth round? Gosh? I would I have him? Awesome?
Speaker 1: But I don't see anybody really talking about him that way.
Speaker 1: I have an early third round grade on him, but
Speaker 1: I could see him being there in the fourth. I
Speaker 1: think the mystery I've got him in the third round.
Speaker 1: But the mystery of the Baylor wide receiver I think
Speaker 1: keeps a lot of people quiet on Baylor's tough, but
Speaker 1: I do think it's changed. I'm putting way too much
Speaker 1: stock into the Senior Bowl seeing him run routes from no,
Speaker 1: we can run routes. I do this. He's legit. Though
Speaker 1: I liked it on tape before the Senior Bowl, I
Speaker 1: was all happy with it, so I thought the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl was reassurance for what I was seeing on tape
Speaker 1: from him. But in the end, that was only good
Speaker 1: enough to be my thirteenth ranked wide receiver. And this
Speaker 1: year's class, that's what we're talking good thirteen will go
Speaker 1: in the top three rounds. I guarantee it, Yeah, I guarantee. Okay,
Speaker 1: tarteen receivers will we go on for three rounds? Is what?
Speaker 1: Ninety four picks something like that, thirty two, sixty four,
Speaker 1: ninety six, and you got some cop picks starting in
Speaker 1: the third. So maybe it's like a sword pickles stay
Speaker 1: top one hundred, thirteen wide receivers in the top one hundred. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's gonna be a good vegas over under.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, how many receivers go that early. Over I
Speaker 1: think it would be over to first round at Judy
Speaker 1: Team Lamb, Judy Rugs, maybe Rager and Chanal. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have five in the first round. Everything to throw t
Speaker 1: Higgins in there. Maybe te Higgins, you're getting thirteen in
Speaker 1: the first three rounds. You're getting that's trying to think about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: lots of wide receivers out there, and it'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to see where the Cowboys go in terms of if
Speaker 1: they could back up their quarterback in the draft, But
Speaker 1: it looks like maybe that's not necessarily the best option
Speaker 1: out there. Our best option is to take when we
Speaker 1: come back, we're gonna finish up some this or that
Speaker 1: from last week. We've got four scenarios. Who's the better player.
Speaker 1: We'll tell you when we come back on the Dallas
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Kevin Turner, Jeff Cavna,
Speaker 1: Kyle y'alls with you, guys. We were talking about that
Speaker 1: over under In terms of wide receivers. In the first
Speaker 1: three rounds of the draft twenty nineteen, there were thirteen,
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen ten twenty seventeen, there were fourteen right at thirteen. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: so we've had over, we've had under, and we've had
Speaker 1: a push in the past three years. So the Vegas
Speaker 1: thirteen over under. I'll set it at fourteen and a half,
Speaker 1: fourteen and a half. There will be at least fifteen
Speaker 1: I'm up in my number. There'll be at least fifteen receivers.
Speaker 1: Fourteen and a half, So you can take de over. Yes,
Speaker 1: fourteen and a half, Okay, it's the over under, okayting,
Speaker 1: And I think it'll be probably over that as well.
Speaker 1: Just with a class like this, I think there's probably
Speaker 1: gonna be a run of that early on. Our football
Speaker 1: team would be terrible because I would draft. I'd have
Speaker 1: eleven receivers active on. Getting no dybody to be so confused. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my wide receiver sixteen through twenty though
Speaker 1: right now, and I'm going, man, I'd like to have
Speaker 1: that third. Quintest c Fist from Wisconsin is my wide
Speaker 1: receiver sixteen, and he's my Michael Gallup comp nice without
Speaker 1: the duction, okay, but on the field, who looks like
Speaker 1: to me? Van Jefferson of Florida. Yeah, wide receiver seventeen,
Speaker 1: Wide receiver eighteen, Colin Johnson of Texas, he's had eighteen.
Speaker 1: Brian Edwards of South Carolina, wide receiver nineteen. Just load
Speaker 1: up and then James Prochet of SMU wide receivers twenty. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's unbelievable. Well, while sticking with the wide receivers, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about a pair of them here coming up in
Speaker 1: just a little bit. But Katie, you had some this
Speaker 1: or that last week where we played GM. We were
Speaker 1: building our board. We just showed you a couple of
Speaker 1: our boards. But we're going to continue building these off
Speaker 1: of some of the scenarios that you had last week.
Speaker 1: And you had a pair of really highly rated running
Speaker 1: backs to start us off this week. Let's talk about that.
Speaker 1: I am interested. We haven't talked a lot about the
Speaker 1: running back position because you know, the Cowboys signed Zeke
Speaker 1: to that big contract, my this or that for the
Speaker 1: running back position. I want you guys to not look
Speaker 1: at your team, just pick the best player. Who do
Speaker 1: you want on your team? Is it JK. Dobbins of
Speaker 1: Ohio State or is it DeAndre Swift of Georgia. Now
Speaker 1: those are my top two rated running backs. I know
Speaker 1: that's not what the world may think Jonathan Taylor of
Speaker 1: Wisconsin might deserve. We are you hating on Zach Moss
Speaker 1: and Clyde Edwards, Hilarias, Zach Moss issue. All those guys
Speaker 1: are in the mix there, but this is my this
Speaker 1: or that for today, Zach the JK. Dobbins of Ohio
Speaker 1: State or DeAndre Swift of Georgia. I have to tell
Speaker 1: you that I'm doing this only off of live viewings,
Speaker 1: as I have not studied running backs yet. I'll expose
Speaker 1: my own ignorance and I'll tell you in live viewings,
Speaker 1: will you cover the Cowboys for a living? That's right?
Speaker 1: And they're not running backs an offensive line. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you I get too in a week or two. I
Speaker 1: love DeAndre Swift, They're both great. Yeah, just watching live,
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift popped to me Well, and I think if
Speaker 1: you're gonna get one of these two guys, you're faly
Speaker 1: pumped about it. I would try to be, oh, you
Speaker 1: know what, Okay, here's my new official take. Okay, neither
Speaker 1: whichever Well doesn't go in the first round because you
Speaker 1: shouldn't waste a first round pick on a running back. Wow,
Speaker 1: thank you, that's fair, Thank you. I'll take which everyone's
Speaker 1: bailable in the third. Neither one are going to be
Speaker 1: there in the third, all right? Who will be? Probably? Yeah? Probably?
Speaker 1: You know Benjamin run Well if you can't, they won't.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take JK. Dobbins here. I think he's a
Speaker 1: bigger back, he's more experienced. He may have had a
Speaker 1: little bit more of the tread taken off those tires
Speaker 1: over the course of his college career because he was
Speaker 1: a starter for the majority of it and took a
Speaker 1: lot of carries. That's why you saw the statistical comparison
Speaker 1: on that graphic, and he's almost doubling up what DeAndre
Speaker 1: Swift had. Swift had some injury issues and that kind
Speaker 1: of bothers me, and it's it wasn't necessarily one single
Speaker 1: injury issue that scared me. It was more so the
Speaker 1: fact that they were lingering over the course of his
Speaker 1: college career. Sat out the Sugar Bowl against Baylor, and
Speaker 1: I had a lot of that and now I know
Speaker 1: that could have been a business decision, But he also
Speaker 1: said that he had some issues in terms of the
Speaker 1: health in that regard. So I'm going to take JK.
Speaker 1: Dobbins just because even though he is more experienced and
Speaker 1: he has taken a couple more hits, I think he's
Speaker 1: the better back. He's a little bit as well. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna break the Tide and I'm gonna tell you guys
Speaker 1: that it's close. Um, it's DeAndre Swift for me. And
Speaker 1: when I watched him, you're gonna get a little up
Speaker 1: bit extra burst with him, a little more ability to
Speaker 1: take it to the house. But I think there's a
Speaker 1: situation with Swift. If you watch Georgia, what were teams doing?
Speaker 1: And this will tell you a little bit of what
Speaker 1: you need to know about Jake from I would think, yeah,
Speaker 1: teams are just loading the box and they were and
Speaker 1: they were still. He was running through eight man boxes
Speaker 1: and he was running tough through there and he was
Speaker 1: finding a way. Now you go watch JK. Dobbins and
Speaker 1: you're gonna see holes galore to run through. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're just the wide open spaces. And that's where I
Speaker 1: kind of went, Man, this Swift guy open space and
Speaker 1: it's swift. Wow. Yeah, So I think on purpose, didn't
Speaker 1: you know? Okay, I don't know if she sings that,
Speaker 1: but I believe it's the Dixie Chicks. Sorry, man, some
Speaker 1: time to study up on that tape too. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think the Swift song was blank space. I think Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, how did you do? That's my fault.
Speaker 1: So there is no eno enough running back talk. Let's
Speaker 1: go to the next one. Okay, the next one is Jeff,
Speaker 1: You're gonna like this wide receiver matchup another big verse
Speaker 1: little USC wide receiver Michael Pittman versus Texas wide receiver
Speaker 1: Devin Duverney. Well, currently, Michael Pittman is my sixth receiver
Speaker 1: and Devin Duverney. Okay, why are we saying it like
Speaker 1: that is fourteenth or fifteenth Duverney. It's DuVernay, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: just being k I didn't know, well, I didn't know
Speaker 1: if it was like a bit. Yeah, I was just
Speaker 1: a legit thing or not. For me. There's a big
Speaker 1: difference between those two. I love Michael Pittman. I love, love,
Speaker 1: love Michael Pittman. I like Devin Duverne. He was your
Speaker 1: pet cat our first episode. Yeah, Michael Pittman is my guy.
Speaker 1: At six four two nineteen. He didn't move like he's
Speaker 1: six four two nineteen. He moves like he's a six
Speaker 1: foot guy. Like he's a good route runner who'll go
Speaker 1: high point the ball. He tracks the ball. I like
Speaker 1: everything about Michael Pittman. To me, he's a top fifty
Speaker 1: to sixty pick. Really, that's to me, I don't get
Speaker 1: to pick. So maybe he'll go on the third or
Speaker 1: fourth round. I don't know. But to me, Duverney is
Speaker 1: more of a third to fourth round guy and Pittman
Speaker 1: is a second to third round guy. Um, there's a
Speaker 1: famous director ava du Verney. That's why she's held down
Speaker 1: that name and the only person to know with that
Speaker 1: name for years. I thought so now Duverne just wanted
Speaker 1: to be a part of the bit if it were
Speaker 1: a bit. Uh No, I like that though. I've got
Speaker 1: Pittman graded higher than Duverney. It's gonna be wide receiver
Speaker 1: ten for me. Michael Pittman, what is Duverne wide receiver eleven?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's why you picked it? Yeah? Behind
Speaker 1: them a guy we haven't talked about, John High Tower
Speaker 1: of Boisey State, and we know this team likes picking
Speaker 1: Boisey State guys. John High Tower is kind of a
Speaker 1: fun name. I know we're going outside. Well, yes, wow,
Speaker 1: I think you think it's too high or too low.
Speaker 1: You're saying too high, oh, too too high, too high.
Speaker 1: I have a friend named Brian that I think likes
Speaker 1: ye Tower too, so I probably need to do him next.
Speaker 1: Sounds like he's pretty good. Just this the pure speed
Speaker 1: and what's he going to run at the combine? Two?
Speaker 1: My springtime on him is a four four one uh
Speaker 1: and you know what, he's tall, lanky, you know, which
Speaker 1: is kind of kind of strange. My spring weight on
Speaker 1: him is one eighty five. So we'll see what that
Speaker 1: checks in at the combine. I'm very interested to see
Speaker 1: his measurements. Six One is the hight. He plays like
Speaker 1: some of these little slot guys, these separators who can
Speaker 1: get out of it, and you can do a lot
Speaker 1: for him. I what I wrote on my notes is
Speaker 1: that he and he also has returnability. I wrote that
Speaker 1: he's shifty and he is a versatile pond for the offense.
Speaker 1: You can use an emotion for jet sweeps, paw slip screens, pawns,
Speaker 1: the weakest piece on the board. I don't know, don't
Speaker 1: not just like a pond, just say it's just as
Speaker 1: something in your arsenal. Okay, there you go. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: but bishop rook a queen, I don't know he will
Speaker 1: be a rookie receiver for the offense. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick DuVernay here, just a kind of break
Speaker 1: up the monotony. Here you would come the guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: the guy has unbelievable hands. He runs routes very well.
Speaker 1: And one thing about DuVernay, and this is this might
Speaker 1: go against my point, but I'm gonna say it anyways.
Speaker 1: Whenever watching film on DuVernay, it almost looks like he's
Speaker 1: not going one hundred percent when he's running routes. Specifically,
Speaker 1: I was watching the Kansas State game. He had a
Speaker 1: pretty nice game. I think he had over a hundred
Speaker 1: yards and I think he had like eleven catches or
Speaker 1: something like that. And in the Kansas State game, it
Speaker 1: seemed like DuVernay was almost going eighty percent, Like it
Speaker 1: seemed like he was kind of gliding, and it made
Speaker 1: it look effortless. That's kind of what I really was
Speaker 1: so much zone and maybe that I ding guys for
Speaker 1: that where it's like I want to see you torching
Speaker 1: people who line up in front of you, who would
Speaker 1: challenge you and press up against you. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: see that, but he still has separation. He faced man
Speaker 1: a man in the Senior Bowl practices and he fared
Speaker 1: quite well in the middle of it. He's a slot burner.
Speaker 1: I'm interested kind of how you're interested at a high
Speaker 1: tower at Boise State, and now he is going to
Speaker 1: end up being met at the NFL Combine. I'm excited
Speaker 1: about seeing DuVernay and what he runs, and I want
Speaker 1: to see the cone drill. I want to see all
Speaker 1: of it and see exactly what we have with Devin Duverney,
Speaker 1: because right now when I watch film, I see a
Speaker 1: guy who doesn't drop passes, which as a Cowboys fan,
Speaker 1: I'm a little scarred by that at the moment, and
Speaker 1: I like the guy who catch the security of catching
Speaker 1: a ball. And at the same time, I also like
Speaker 1: the fact that maybe we haven't seen all of Devin
Speaker 1: DuVernay at the moment, and maybe we could. I like that.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's close. And again, this type
Speaker 1: of thing will come down to what teams need. Next
Speaker 1: one is edge rushers here and all of this or
Speaker 1: that action. Boise State defensive end Curtis Weaver going up
Speaker 1: against Tennessee defensive end Darryl Taylor. Man, I feel like
Speaker 1: you stole this off of my board because I have
Speaker 1: their tags touching interesting the third round. Generally, if they're
Speaker 1: in any type of this or that situation, I have
Speaker 1: them touching as well. I have them touching in the
Speaker 1: fourth round, though, I've got a couple of people in between,
Speaker 1: so we're fine. I have Taylor. I got Taylor just
Speaker 1: ahead of Weaver on my board. The production that Weavers
Speaker 1: had is incredible. Both of them have pretty good production
Speaker 1: I get. I hate with Weaver. What I don't like
Speaker 1: is the level of competition, just the fact that he's
Speaker 1: a Mountain West guy as opposed to SEC. I'm watching
Speaker 1: him just literally run around a couple of times, He's
Speaker 1: just running around guys. And with Taylor, I'm watching him
Speaker 1: in the SEC at under two hundred and sixty pounds,
Speaker 1: be stout enough to kind of stand up two and
Speaker 1: man handle offensive tackles. I like Taylor a little bit better,
Speaker 1: and I'm open to being wrong on Weaver, but his
Speaker 1: production I discount some of it because I've just seen
Speaker 1: him just running circles around guys who aren't going to
Speaker 1: be playing football anymore. Okay, you know my situation with
Speaker 1: Taylor is, and I have Taylor's that who my pick
Speaker 1: would be just because of I do think he's a
Speaker 1: little bit more athletic than Weaver. With Taylor, and my
Speaker 1: concerns are he just ran so hot and cold. When
Speaker 1: you're watching in some of these games, yes, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's a big Stacker production and then there's nothing for
Speaker 1: three quarters. Yeah, and then it kind of then you
Speaker 1: branch it out to a season and you go, well,
Speaker 1: there's a big Stacker production and there's nothing for three
Speaker 1: or four games. Sometimes laid off the ball a little
Speaker 1: things like that. But you do see the pure speed
Speaker 1: to get around the edge. With Weaver, you don't really
Speaker 1: see the speed to get around the edge. You just
Speaker 1: see a guy just doing away, just doing it somehow.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of Darryl Taylor's primary pass rush plan,
Speaker 1: attacking the out touch outside shoulder of the tackle, and
Speaker 1: every once in a while, I'll flash inside. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: use my quickness to win. I do worry about the
Speaker 1: instincts a little bit, well, knowing when it's a run
Speaker 1: play a pass play, and how quickly he can diagnose
Speaker 1: all that stuff. With Weaver, you don't worry about any
Speaker 1: of that stuff. Yeah, Well with Taylor, I do. But
Speaker 1: I'm betting, and if I have a fourth round grade
Speaker 1: on these guys, what am I betting on here? I'm
Speaker 1: betting on some upside, and I'm betting on some trades
Speaker 1: here and that's why I have Taylor just ahead of Weaver.
Speaker 1: But I can see if you're a front office, you
Speaker 1: may have the conversation to go back and forth with
Speaker 1: your buddies, going, man, this is a safe thing, safe
Speaker 1: thing right here. This Curtis Weaver, guy from Boise State. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he can be my backup defensive in right here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could give him some snaps and I can say, well,
Speaker 1: Darrel Taylor, I might be able to convert into a
Speaker 1: starter one day because the upside is incredible. So Darryl
Speaker 1: Taylor wins by a scoch here, but it's a close winner.
Speaker 1: And i'd like this debate. And I'm gonna once again,
Speaker 1: I'm taking the different one. I'm taking Weaver, and it's
Speaker 1: just because he's wild, a little bit wider, a little
Speaker 1: bit heavier. But I see what you're saying in terms
Speaker 1: of the upside of Taylor. He's got a better build
Speaker 1: one does. He's a little bit leaner, he has that athleticism.
Speaker 1: He faced tougher competition over the course of his career.
Speaker 1: That's why he only had the nineteen and a half
Speaker 1: sacks compared to the thirty four that Curtis Weaver had,
Speaker 1: But I gotta stay kind of short with mine. We
Speaker 1: got one more we're gonna get to right now. Cornerbacks,
Speaker 1: who you got, Yeah, this is gonna be fun. Right
Speaker 1: it's Mississippi State cornerback Cameron Danceler against Auburn. Okay, tags
Speaker 1: tell you going? Tags touching on me making me choose
Speaker 1: between my Auburn cornerback Noah Igbogeny. No way. So Cameron
Speaker 1: Danceler is six two one eighty five Eggmanogny is five
Speaker 1: eleven two hundred And here's the thing about Cameron Dancler,
Speaker 1: at least when I watched him, My immediate takeaway was,
Speaker 1: holy cow, this guy does not play like I thought
Speaker 1: he was gonna play a lot of these tall, kind
Speaker 1: of lanky dudes. Now he's not gonna come up and
Speaker 1: help out on the run a lot, but like he's
Speaker 1: not getting pushed around during the route like one hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty pound guy would. So I thought his play
Speaker 1: strength is really good. He allowed under five hundred yards,
Speaker 1: you know, in two straight years at Mississippi State and
Speaker 1: the SEC. Which now some of those schools that you're
Speaker 1: going up again are flinging it around a little bit. Um.
Speaker 1: I just think he played stronger than one hundred eighty pounds.
Speaker 1: I think he does a good job working through contact.
Speaker 1: He's got those long strides. He's probably gonna go run
Speaker 1: a four to five. Maybe maybe a late four nine
Speaker 1: I mean four four nine, four four eight area. Maybe
Speaker 1: he runs that, and I think that helps him a
Speaker 1: little bit. He's my sixth graded cornerback. I got a
Speaker 1: second round grade on him. I just love the quickness
Speaker 1: and long speed that that dancler has in the length.
Speaker 1: I take dancler By by a slip. Really. I have
Speaker 1: dancler as my seventh cornerback and I got Noah as
Speaker 1: my eighth quarterback. I couldn't get over how good his
Speaker 1: tape was against lsu Ye was so so good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh Igbogeny I lost it, but he also had
Speaker 1: incredible tape. I love both of them. They're my seventh
Speaker 1: and eighth corners and uh I barely go Danceler. I
Speaker 1: feel okay about it. I barely go Danceler. But Florida
Speaker 1: and Minnesota tape on Iggy, I loved him. Do you
Speaker 1: worry about Noah from Aubren? Do you worry about him?
Speaker 1: Being like just kind of being new to this cornerback thing.
Speaker 1: I mean he was a little raw. Well he was
Speaker 1: a wide receiver and he's transitioned back and he was
Speaker 1: really good. But it was all the time. Man. I
Speaker 1: think that also. It does happen sometimes, But I just
Speaker 1: think cornerback is a position where technically you gotta be on,
Speaker 1: you know, all the time. And with Danceler you see
Speaker 1: that a little bit. Dancler didn't play like an awkward
Speaker 1: six foot two cornerback and that's sometimes you see that
Speaker 1: with those tall to go. Yeah, so here's I have
Speaker 1: Danceler as a better player on my board, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna throw a wrench into things. And I think Igbanogeny
Speaker 1: is a guy who could or is more likely to
Speaker 1: end up on the Dallas Cowboys. And I'll give you
Speaker 1: a reason why. He returns kicks and he returns them well,
Speaker 1: he averaged over twenty eight yards per return this year.
Speaker 1: He had at least a ninety six yard touchdown run
Speaker 1: and each of his last two seasons. And he's good
Speaker 1: at any kick returned punt return. He did both for
Speaker 1: Auburn and he was good. That's why I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get Rager twenty one yards per punt return. You know
Speaker 1: there's something to him. I want to mention about Danceler
Speaker 1: too though, and this is maybe it helps give him
Speaker 1: the edge. It helps him if you're that much taller.
Speaker 1: But do you do you play six two and we'll
Speaker 1: see what he measures at the combine. But there's also
Speaker 1: in zone coverage. There's a couple of plays where he's
Speaker 1: floating in zone coverage and he's able to get his
Speaker 1: hand on a ball that a five eleven guy, quite
Speaker 1: frankly wouldn't get his hand on. Don't you take shots
Speaker 1: at He might jump forty eight inches, he might probably
Speaker 1: gonna be five nine at the combine, like we talked
Speaker 1: about at the top of the show. Sure, yeah, that's okay,
Speaker 1: But man, these this or that's a tough Katie. Well
Speaker 1: done both last weekend this week as well, but that's
Speaker 1: gonna do it here for this week's episode of the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Dave Hellman will be
Speaker 1: back next week as he's done in New Orleans. Jeff
Speaker 1: Kalvanon Kevin Turner will be here as well with myself.
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's will preview the NFL combine and get you
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