WEBVTT - Draft Show: Who are the Top 5 Players? 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:11.760 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:21.640 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Dallas 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:26.640 Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room for insider 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:30.200 news and trapped analysis from deep within the confines of 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:34.720 Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Da Emmitt Smith 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:40.400 running back and now your hosts, David Hellman, Jeff Kavanaugh, 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:48.239 Kevin Turner and Kyle Yeoman's ten weeks until the future 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:53.600 of football is ushered in to the NFL in Las Vegas, Nevada. 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:57.240 As the NFL Draft is just seventy days away. That 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.880 leaves us the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show just 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.960 seventy days to investigate and educate all of those listening 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:06.520 out there. We're glad you're joining us again here from 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:11.200 the SWBC Mortgage Studios in Frisco at the Star. Jeff Cavanaugh, 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:15.240 mister Kevin Turner, I'm Kyle Yeoman's without David Hellman today, 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:18.520 an empty head said often to the riot. That's unfortunate, 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.920 as mister Hellman is down in the motherland of New 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:25.119 Orleans at the moment, had a fun time. Yeah, he's 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.440 he's living the rough life at the moment. That is tough. 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:30.080 It's tough. I don't know how they're going to get 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:33.039 through that. Put in a request to get him hologrammed in, 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:36.199 but they didn't have it in the budget. So that's fine. 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.760 We'll get it next time. We'll talk to Scott about that. 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:41.720 We'll pick up the slack for Dave, who's probably partying 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:46.840 right now. It is only eleven o'clock, I mean new Yeah, 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.440 that's also they've been going for three hours. That's fair, 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.760 they've they've been up since eight ready to work. But 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.520 so if we were ready to get diving into the 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.520 NFL Draft, it's crazy that we're now ten weeks away 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.000 from the draft that'll kick off on April twenty third 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.360 in Las Vegas, Nevada, down on the Strip. And well, guys, 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:08.480 we pride ourselves as a show of not just talking 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.680 Dallas Cowboys and the Cowboys draft needs. We talk about 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:15.560 the entirety of the NFL Draft, And I know recently, 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.440 at least through the first five shows that we've had, 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.400 we've talked a lot of Cowboys just because of the 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:22.760 question marks and the needs that are there as an organization. 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:24.120 But I feel like today we're going to do a 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:28.240 good job of talking generalities in the draft and wanted 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:33.200 to kind of start things off by talking about our 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.560 top fives in these positions. And I feel like we've 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.080 started seeing these pop up, these articles. I mean, Bucky 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:44.000 Brooks put out a top five this past week, Daitas 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:46.640 have two at the time about that, which is crazy. 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:50.520 Dame Brugler had a top ten list of positions by 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.280 a week, and a lot of those kind of shook 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:55.799 up what I was thinking, and it kind of got 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.160 the wheels turning a little bit as to what exactly 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.840 are the top fives out there? What if our boards 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.400 look like as a whole. And I feel like, Katie, 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:07.560 I know you texted in our group text throughout the 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.160 week you were kind of thinking the same thing. Kind 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:10.800 of got the wheels turning a little bit. It is, 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.880 and I try really hard to I don't. I don't 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.480 like to avoid that stuff because it is content. But 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.920 when I see it, I just don't change what I feel. 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.560 But don't go change your board based on what you see. 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.240 You know someone else thinks. So if you disagree with 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:29.400 Dane or whoever, Daniel, Jeremiah or Jeff, then that's okay. 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:31.440 You don't want to disagree with me, buddy, it's fine. 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.920 That's dangerous, but it is. It does make you start going, okay, 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:36.800 it is as you get a little closer, it really 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.840 does make you start thinking twice and maybe looking at 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.560 your notes again, or maybe watching tape again on someone 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:44.960 who you might not have been sure on the first 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.200 time or second time, and then it makes you kind 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.040 of get your stack going a little bit better, and 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:50.840 that just get you gives you those feelings, hey, we're 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:54.400 getting a litt closer. So I started like pinning down 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.360 some of these positions and once you do start stacking 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:58.880 them up a little bit better on your board, and 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.040 then kind of re read some of the notes that 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:02.880 I had on them and just kind of refreshing myself 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.800 on the players, I started going, yeah, I feel much 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:07.840 better about things than I did a month ago. Yeah. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.760 We were talking about it, and it's crazy because when 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.000 you think about the Cowboys specifically in all of these 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:16.880 NFL organizations, it's gonna be ever changing. I mean, even 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:19.119 right now, our top fives at the moment are prior 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.960 to the combine. I mean, the combine isn't even here. 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:23.760 And then even after the combine, we're gonna go into 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:25.839 pro days, and I take more out of the Senior 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:27.960 Bowl and Shrine Bowl for some of these guys, and 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.599 then I do the combine. I mean, the combine is fun, 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:35.480 but combined is more about a lot of times accurate measurements. 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:39.679 Sometimes there's a few drills and athleticism. But I really 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:41.279 take more out of the Senior Bowl than I do 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.520 the combine. At least I get more excited for the 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.920 Senior Bowl than I do the combine combine. The worst 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.560 thing about the combine, Kyle, is that all of our 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.000 corners end up getting in trouble. If they're listed at 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:53.720 six foot, they're about to be five to eleven. Hand 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:55.400 if they're listed at five to eleven, they're about to 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.599 be five nine antoine or antoine. Winfield's gonna turn around 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:00.720 and be about five eight. We're gonna go five o 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.680 nine six five nine and three quarters. Get ready for 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.240 can wide receivers get in trouble now for being too tall. 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:12.000 Now I have a pretty good handle on how this works. 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:15.280 If a guy's listed at sixty three, he is sixty three. 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.120 That's the line. If a guy's listed at six two, 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.200 he's six one. He's listened at six twenty six foot 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:23.960 and on and on and on, but it's sixty three. 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.480 They'll let you be your real height on a school's website. 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:28.880 What about above that. They'll keep you at the regular 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:30.960 because they don't want to go too big, okay, you know, 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:32.840 because you'll get creeped out if they're like, hey, this 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:36.040 receiver is six foot eleven, They're like, now he's sixty three. Yeah, yeah, 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:37.960 they want you. They wanted to be normal. They don't 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.120 want them to be kind of a freak of nature 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.400 in that regard. Well, with all of that being said, 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.320 and with the in the spirit of building boards and 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:49.800 arguing back and forth, word we might get a chance 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.400 to argue with Jeff Cavanar because I put together all 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:55.360 these graphics and there was not a single top five 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:57.240 out of these five positions that we're about to run 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:00.560 through that was the same. That's the beauty of the same. 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.480 I mean, that's twenty five different scenarios we're about to 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:05.320 pull up. I'm looking at my own and I don't 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.760 like it. And we've we've got all these scenarios. Let's 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.720 start with safety. In our positional top fives, these are 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:15.240 from US three. At the moment, we'll get Dave involved 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:16.760 with this at some point. Whenever we get to some 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:19.479 of these other positions, we're gonna start with Kat and 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:22.400 the safeties that Kat has pulled up at the moment. 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.839 And it's interesting to look at your board starting off 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.240 with Grant Delpit, and that's the name that's been out 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.920 there for the Cowboys really since day one. I feel 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:35.520 really great about my top five safeties. Delp It is 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:40.479 to me. And I saw Jeff retweeted something today of 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.159 this mock draft roundup for the Cowboys who pick at seventeen, 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:48.000 and like five of the six mock drafts had Xavier McKinney, 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:51.160 and I just don't have Xavier McKinney in that top 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.279 twenty range. Wow. I just and I do have Delpit there. 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:58.600 And if delp It goes at twenty five, that's fine, 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.600 But you know, seventeen is probably about that fifteen to 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.359 twenty five range is kind of the good spot for 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.520 him in the draft. I think it's not even close. 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.680 When I look at that safety group, I just don't 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:12.880 think Xavier McKinney is that close. I don't have questions 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:16.120 about Grant and Delpot covering people. I do have questions 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.640 about Xavier McKinney covering people. Okay, now the questions about 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.760 Grant and Delpot tackling people, that's fine. Miss twenty five 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:27.800 percent of his tackle attempts issue, Okay, we know that 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:31.600 he was hurt. Okay, and that goes back to but 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.880 in twenty eighteen he was fine. He wasn't missing those tackles. 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.160 In twenty eighteen he miss said twenty He missed twenty 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.360 percent of his tackles. You watch tape and it's not 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:43.720 as bad eighteen, But he had a lot better tape 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.960 in twenty eighteen. The miss tackles are a thing. How 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.640 many guy to safety but the miss tackles her a thing? Oh? 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:50.840 How many guys over the years have we seen though, 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.840 have a year when it's their final year when they 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:55.520 can declare to go to the NFL Draft, and it's 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.360 not as good as the year before. Now it's because 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.160 they got more attention and teams were gay planning for him? 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.560 Or is it because sometimes you're making business decisions and 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.280 things like that. I don't know. I don't know, And 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.120 maybe we need to find out more about Delpot. Maybe 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:10.800 that's the big thing you can take out of the 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:13.560 combine is team's interviewing. Well, I think I think those 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:19.320 two right there. We'll take a look at at Jeff's 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.800 safeties in his top five safeties, but I think it's 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:23.560 really those two at the top. And I think all 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.400 three of us had Delpin and McKinney as the top 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:30.240 two safeties. But is there a disconnect from the guys 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.280 after that though, and why is there such a big disconnect? 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.480 I don't know. I think I don't think it's a 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:41.199 huge disconnect between them and Winfield or Davis. No, I 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.520 don't think it's huge. I don't think it's huge. I mean, 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:47.040 to me, Winfield and McKinney are very close. Yeah, for 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:50.360 me personally, I mean, and we're talking about size and 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:54.080 a little bit of durability issues with Winfield that's keeping 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:57.360 him from that. I mean, who are you guys comfortable 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:01.320 with Zavian McKinney covering coach well enough with his back 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.079 to the ball. No, No, but you know that probably 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:05.960 won't happen much because you're playing him as a strong 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.080 safe here, tight ends, running backs. Yeah, things like that. 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.160 I'm comfortable with him, but I'm with you, he's not. 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.280 He's not my top guy, grand help. It is my 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.200 top guy. Well, let's look at at Jeff's top five 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:20.880 safeties overall, and oh man, it is up at the top, 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:24.840 and oh wow, Yeah, that's why are we highlighting stuff? 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.160 Highlights the reason why I highlighted that, why you got 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:31.839 burgess of four there, burgess of Utah. All right, I'm 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.079 just gonna read you. I'm just gonna verbe him read 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.880 the notes. Okay, go for it. He plays as a 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:41.880 three deep safety, plays some man from slot, good athleticism 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:44.160 to catch up if he's ever beat, can run down 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:49.160 drags even if he's behind on the coverage, dependable low 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.960 tackle or Everything about him is very smooth, natural mover, 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.880 understanding of zone concepts, covers running backs, blitzes, plays more 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.560 nickel corner than safety, nice change of direction, plays with 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.280 the motor that doesn't cool down, so calm and such 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:04.360 a fluid mover while five routes are happening around him. 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:07.240 A touch undersized, but good player. Did see him fall 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.320 off a tackle against USC. I like him. I like 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:12.840 the coverage aspect at safety. I think the coverage aspect 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.360 is so so so important. And I'll probably be the 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:20.760 lowest guy on Ashton Davis and I like him but 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:24.520 I don't know. I just watching the Burgess film at Utah. 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.120 He was just a guy that I really really liked 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.040 because I think that you can trust him to cover, 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.800 you can trust him to tackle, not necessarily as a 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.720 powerful finisher, but a guy that's gonna get people to 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.040 the ground. And I just love his ability to cover. 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.120 So you're comfortable taking in the second round at pick 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.679 fifty one? Are you comfortable taking Trill Burgess? I got 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:43.920 him as a two three, okay, so he probably wouldn't 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.240 be my best player available. Are you comfortable taking Ashton Davis? There? 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.240 Got him as a two three, So I'm going to 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:51.120 be the Ashton Davis hater and it's gonna make me 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.199 go back. I've done two games of Davis and I'll 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.800 probably do four or five because I want to be 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.840 by the time we get there more confident in the order. 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.640 And I knew that would surprise people. But when I 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:03.280 watched him, that was the guy I felt better about. 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:05.240 And one of the things about Burgess is that he's 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.120 not on a ton of radars now. He was talked 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:08.920 about because he was at the Senior Bowl and he 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:11.720 performed well over the course of the week in Mobile 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:13.839 but one thing that I like about him, and that's 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:15.599 one of the reasons why I highlighted him, because I 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:17.880 feel like this is a guy we can talk about 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.800 of being in that first three rounds as a legitimate 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.920 starting contender at safety. He's not afraid to step up 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:26.800 and plug a gap when needed. Yeah, and I like 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.600 that he plays downhill. He's a solid tackler from the 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:35.200 get go. More of a more of a strong safety, 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.319 I guess than free is where I would see him 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:41.680 at overall. But I like him as as a safety. 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:43.520 Now I don't have him in my top five. My 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.240 top five goes McKinney first. And I was ready to 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:50.800 kind of argue I told you about it, but I 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.320 feel much better after you throughout the stat because I 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.200 didn't know the twenty eighteen stat, the twenty percent of 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.559 miss tackles, I didn't know that. I knew it and 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:03.160 know it by watching the exactly pay seventeen miss grand 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.720 up at missed eight tackles twenty eighteen. He miss sixteen 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:09.280 tackles twenty nineteen. He miss twenty tackles, so just four 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.280 plus this year. And that's where the difference has been 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.400 made in terms of let's miss some tackles, but hey, 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.280 I'm here to go get the ball. I also have 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.320 Kyle Dugger in my top four as well. We should 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:22.160 talk about Kyle Dugger from Lenore Rhyne, which is a 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.760 Division two school. I also went leap of faith based 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.240 on Senior Bowl, based on YouTube, like three games on YouTube, 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.040 based on clips that you can find if you just 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:36.240 go search the internet. But I ain't my film database. 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.440 I don't even have any Lenoor Ryan games couple. If 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:41.439 you want go on leap of faith on this guy 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:44.800 and until And that's why I'm glad Jeff brought up 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.959 Terrell Burgess of Utah and their names. A guy that's 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.880 left off your list to Texas Brandon Jones. And there 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:52.760 are a few other guys you know at safety who 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.160 might make a little sense a little bit further down 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.240 the road. But to me, I do think it's a 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:02.559 clear top three, at least at Delpitt, McKinney and Winfield. 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:04.040 However you want to order that. I a lot of 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.280 people have Davis in that top three instead of Winfield 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.280 and at the beginning, and I don't think that anymore. 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.959 I think Winfield's better. I understand it because you do 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:16.160 see it with Ashton Davis sometimes, Like you see that 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.680 he can instinctually be ahead of the play a little bit. Yeah, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.120 and that's what kind of excites me. What worries me 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:25.040 about him, Like what I really like about Winfield is 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.240 that he is stout, And what I really don't like 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.320 about Ashton Davis is he's got kind of an eel 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:35.520 Like he does heel like an eel, an eel slippery. Yeah, 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.720 I'm telling you, his chest is small. It's really crazy. 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.120 And I've seen him with his shirt off or anything, 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.320 but I just like, look at his frame. You go, oh, man, 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:45.240 I need to pack on a little bit there. Kind 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.120 of going back to Kyle Dugger of Lenore Ryan as well, 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.080 But this is a guy who was named the best 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.440 defensive player in the Vision two, but he only played 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:55.440 just seven games this year due to a little bit 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.160 of an injury issue. Now business decision. It was a 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:00.360 business decision. At the same time, he goes to the 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.560 Combine and after making some people look a little silly 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.040 on film throughout the year a D two, he goes 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:07.720 or not to the Combine. He goes to the Senior 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:09.760 Bowl rather, and he was able to show out one 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.240 of the best safeties, if not the best safety in 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.040 mobile and that's why I kind of have him in 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:16.640 my top four as well. You can find Division two 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.840 players that okay, so the tape's not gonna be readily available. 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.520 I played at Abilene Christian in O four and oh five, 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.280 and I played with a guy named Danielle Manning who 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:26.920 ended up being a ten year starter in the league. 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:28.960 He was picked in the second round by the Chicago Bears, 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:30.920 and you knew it. On the practice field, you knew it, 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:32.520 and the games, you knew it. Just because they're Division 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.120 two doesn't mean they can't go in the first two 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.760 or three rounds and be ballers in the nflgitimate NFL talent, 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:39.680 and that's one of the reasons why I have him 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.640 up there in my top four. Let's stick with secondary. 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.120 Go into corner, all right, I'll start this one out. 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.760 We'll go the reverse order this time. But all three 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.080 of our top corners are the same, and it's really 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.760 no doubt about it. It's Jeffrey Okuda from Ohio State. 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.280 What a guy I mean. And then once we go 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.440 from two to five, that's where we start to differ 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:02.280 a little bit. Christian killed him this second one. I've 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.000 also got Jeff Gladdeney at five. I like what gladdene 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:08.320 brings to the table. From TCU Christian Fulton at las, 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:10.560 who's my second best corner on the board at the moment, 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:13.640 I like it. I like, uh, well, I'll say, I 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.760 like the order of your first two, okay, and then 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.080 you want to switch it up after that not a 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:20.600 little bit. But I know that you know that's that's 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:24.520 a list that I think is standard. And I don't 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:26.920 mean that as a positive or negative. I just feel 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:28.680 like that's sort of the order that I've kind of 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.000 seen guys in from different people. We put a lot 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.280 of faith in with Dane does and you know a 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.000 lot of other people. My order will be a little 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:37.680 bit different. But I also think that it's a really 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.720 good cornerback class. Yeah, we've talked a lot about Oh, 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.840 the receiver group is really deep and the offensive tackle 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:47.080 a corner to me so far watching tapes up there, 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:48.880 I've got eight guys in the first two rounds and 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:53.960 there could be more. So I don't have Trevon Diggs 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.440 in my top five, okay, I have I have Faulton 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.880 is my second guy. CJ. Henderson at Florida is the 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.359 third guy, Jeff Gladney at TCU, and then Damon Arnett 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.960 Ohio State is my kind of slept on guy that 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.200 I really like. I watched him, I studied him the 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:15.120 other day and Arnett watch him play Clemson. Yeah, they 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.640 were going to Okuda, they weren't going at Arnett, and 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:19.880 I just I love his ability to play cover three, 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:24.400 to play man defense, uh, stickiness and coverage aggressive. I 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.080 just I think that that Arnett's a really good player 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.360 that's not talked about enough and does this signs kind 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:30.960 of bother you a little bit. He's a little small. 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:33.960 He's listened at five to eleven Coyle, Yeah, five eleven on, 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.880 which means he's probably five o nine seven. But yeah, 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:39.640 I think that's that's and that's part of why I 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.160 didn't give him a first round grade, because I think 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:43.920 his tape you could put him in the first round. 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.640 I think the size, but the way he competes for 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.600 a football in the air that's not affected. You know, 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:54.200 he's going up knocking away balls intended for t Higgins. 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:57.080 He's not afraid to play with big receivers and play 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.360 the catchpoint, gets his head around, plays the ball in 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.000 the air. I'm a fan of Damon Arnett, little grabby 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.520 when you go on the inside routes. Yeah, but cover 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:08.640 three press man, I like him. He got a lot 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.359 of targets too, because you know they had Sewn Wade, 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.240 who I thought Sean Wade was going to declare for 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.159 the drafted Ohio State and just secondary Okuda, you know, 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.480 so he's gonna get a little bit of action. Um, 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:20.600 I don't have him as highly grated as you, but 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.880 I do like Dave Narnette, and I've got him kind 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:24.960 of a little bit further time. I've got him at seven. 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:28.240 So I'm right outside and talk my cornerback nine. Um 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:32.359 for me, it's Okuda of Ohio State. My uh, this 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:33.840 is the one that I think people are killing me 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.399 for right now. Jeff Gladney of TCU as my second 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:38.680 ranked corner. Well, I don't think you're alone there. I 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.440 do like the Jeff's being so high. This is great, 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.639 that's true. You got some Jeffrey. This is out the standings. Yeah. CJ. 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:48.000 Henderson of Florida. I absolutely love Christian Fulton of LSU. 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.800 And then my fifth corner of Trevon Diggs of Alabama. 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.520 But we can start to talk about Cameron Danceler from 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:58.080 Mississippi State. That's my seventh corner. I like him a lot. 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:02.960 His tape against LSU is incredible. Cameron dan Jamar Chase 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:05.080 could not get open on Cameron Danzler, which is saying 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:08.359 something could Chase got open on everybody? Yeah. With Gladney 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.840 and he's this is where combine could be huge for him. 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:13.840 Now he may go run a four three something, but 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:15.800 I'm not sure that matters as much. His speed is 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.720 evident on tape. You don't worry about his speed. I 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.840 have him measured at five ten, one eighty three. Now 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.320 I don't know that was that was in the spring. 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:28.040 I've seen guys. I watched some defensive tackles last night 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.400 who were like thirty pounds more at the Shrine game 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.160 than they were listed in the spring. It's like, okay, 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:37.040 they were transitioned inside. With Gladney five ten, is he 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:40.200 gonna be five to eleven? His size will absolutely matter. 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:42.800 But I do think he plays pretty tough on the outside, 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.600 and I think, aside from Okuda, I think he's the 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:48.359 second best mirror corner in this draft in terms of 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.680 just turning your hips and running with someone. I want 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.919 to take this really quickly. If the Cowboys pick at 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:58.080 seventeen and they don't move around, we're sticking and picking 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.400 at seventeen. How many of the corners on your list 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:03.400 would you be comfortable going, Oh, those a good pick 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:07.600 at seventeen, like high fiving pick or just a solid pick. Sure, 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:09.320 let's say how many are a high five and how 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.919 many are a solid pick. I have three that I 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:14.800 would say, you know what, I have two that I 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:18.800 would say five, yeah, okay, I have one high five, 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.000 and then two where I'd go okay, and then I'm 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:26.760 ruling out Okuda too. Okay, I'm not ruling yeah, he 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:29.399 actually want to make it like Fulton or Henderson, I 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:33.400 would go okay, and then like Henderson there too anybody 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:37.320 else and I'd be like, yeah, you could have moved back. See, 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:39.240 I'm not feeling the same way you are about gladdening 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.400 out of TCU though. Kat Yeah, Like I like him 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:44.760 and he's number five on my list. But at the 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:46.960 same time, if he would to be picked by the 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:50.720