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Speaker 1: out there. We're glad you're joining us again here from

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Speaker 1: mister Kevin Turner, I'm Kyle Yeoman's without David Hellman today,

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Speaker 1: an empty head said often to the riot. That's unfortunate,

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Speaker 1: as mister Hellman is down in the motherland of New

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Speaker 1: Orleans at the moment, had a fun time. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: he's living the rough life at the moment. That is tough.

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Speaker 1: It's tough. I don't know how they're going to get

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Speaker 1: through that. Put in a request to get him hologrammed in,

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Speaker 1: but they didn't have it in the budget. So that's fine.

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Speaker 1: We'll get it next time. We'll talk to Scott about that.

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Speaker 1: We'll pick up the slack for Dave, who's probably partying

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Speaker 1: right now. It is only eleven o'clock, I mean new Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's also they've been going for three hours. That's fair,

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Speaker 1: they've they've been up since eight ready to work. But

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Speaker 1: so if we were ready to get diving into the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft, it's crazy that we're now ten weeks away

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Speaker 1: from the draft that'll kick off on April twenty third

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Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, Nevada, down on the Strip. And well, guys,

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Speaker 1: we pride ourselves as a show of not just talking

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys and the Cowboys draft needs. We talk about

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Speaker 1: the entirety of the NFL Draft, And I know recently,

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Speaker 1: at least through the first five shows that we've had,

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Speaker 1: we've talked a lot of Cowboys just because of the

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Speaker 1: question marks and the needs that are there as an organization.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like today we're going to do a

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Speaker 1: good job of talking generalities in the draft and wanted

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Speaker 1: to kind of start things off by talking about our

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Speaker 1: top fives in these positions. And I feel like we've

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Speaker 1: started seeing these pop up, these articles. I mean, Bucky

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Speaker 1: Brooks put out a top five this past week, Daitas

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Speaker 1: Dame Brugler had a top ten list of positions by

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Speaker 1: up what I was thinking, and it kind of got

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Speaker 1: the wheels turning a little bit as to what exactly

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Speaker 1: are the top fives out there? What if our boards

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Speaker 1: look like as a whole. And I feel like, Katie,

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Speaker 1: I know you texted in our group text throughout the

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Speaker 1: week you were kind of thinking the same thing. Kind

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Speaker 1: of got the wheels turning a little bit. It is,

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Speaker 1: and I try really hard to I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: when I see it, I just don't change what I feel.

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Speaker 1: But don't go change your board based on what you see.

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Speaker 1: You know someone else thinks. So if you disagree with

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Speaker 1: Dane or whoever, Daniel, Jeremiah or Jeff, then that's okay.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to disagree with me, buddy, it's fine.

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Speaker 1: That's dangerous, but it is. It does make you start going, okay,

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Speaker 1: it is as you get a little closer, it really

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Speaker 1: your notes again, or maybe watching tape again on someone

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Speaker 1: time or second time, and then it makes you kind

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Speaker 1: that just get you gives you those feelings, hey, we're

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Speaker 1: We were talking about it, and it's crazy because when

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Speaker 1: can wide receivers get in trouble now for being too tall.

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Speaker 1: Now I have a pretty good handle on how this works.

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Speaker 1: If a guy's listed at sixty three, he is sixty three.

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Speaker 1: They'll let you be your real height on a school's website.

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Speaker 1: What about above that. They'll keep you at the regular

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Speaker 1: receiver is six foot eleven, They're like, now he's sixty three. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: to argue with Jeff Cavanar because I put together all

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Speaker 1: through that was the same. That's the beauty of the same.

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Speaker 1: and like five of the six mock drafts had Xavier McKinney,

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Speaker 1: and I just don't have Xavier McKinney in that top

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Speaker 1: And if delp It goes at twenty five, that's fine,

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Speaker 1: Grant and Delpot tackling people, that's fine. Miss twenty five

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Speaker 1: How many guys over the years have we seen though,

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Speaker 1: burgess of four there, burgess of Utah. All right, I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna read you. I'm just gonna verbe him read

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Speaker 1: the notes. Okay, go for it. He plays as a

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Speaker 1: drags even if he's behind on the coverage, dependable low

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Speaker 1: A touch undersized, but good player. Did see him fall

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Speaker 1: off a tackle against USC. I like him. I like

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Speaker 1: the coverage aspect at safety. I think the coverage aspect

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Speaker 1: lowest guy on Ashton Davis and I like him but

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just watching the Burgess film at Utah.

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Speaker 1: He was just a guy that I really really liked

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Speaker 1: because I think that you can trust him to cover,

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Speaker 1: you can trust him to tackle, not necessarily as a

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Speaker 1: So you're comfortable taking in the second round at pick

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Speaker 1: fifty one? Are you comfortable taking Trill Burgess? I got

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Speaker 1: him as a two three, okay, so he probably wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be my best player available. Are you comfortable taking Ashton Davis? There?

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Speaker 1: he's catching an infant every time a football is thrown

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Speaker 1: at him. Catching an infant. Yeah, we've got an eel

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Speaker 1: and we've got catching an infant. I mean that's why

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430
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Speaker 1: he's not gonna blow you away with his speed or

431
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Speaker 1: anything like that, but I think he gives you. I

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Speaker 1: think he's a safe pick. And again, I don't have

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Speaker 1: a first round graded tight end, but I think he

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Speaker 1: does enough to get down the seams. His athleticism you're

435
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Speaker 1: probably gonna question at times, but it's just enough as

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Speaker 1: a blocker in line to just kind of get through it. Now. Again,

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Speaker 1: I'm not excited about cole Comet because my tight end

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Speaker 1: one would not take him at seventeen, would love to

439
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Speaker 1: have him at fifty one. But you know, I do

440
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Speaker 1: think you're getting a guy who is ready to go immediately.

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Speaker 1: And we've seen a lot of second round tied ends

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Speaker 1: in the past. I would say with the Bears and

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Speaker 1: Adam Sheheen and that workout man at Gaviness, if I

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Speaker 1: took cole Comet in the same range as those guys went.

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Speaker 1: I would feel so good about it because I do

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Speaker 1: think he's ready to contribute. Is he gonna be Ertz

447
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Speaker 1: or Kelsey or Kittle? No, I don't probably. I don't

448
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Speaker 1: know if the athleticism is there, but I do think

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Speaker 1: he can be a threat immediately. I don't think any

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Speaker 1: of us have a Round one graded tight end, do you, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: I do not. I didn't think. So let's take a

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Speaker 1: look at yours really quickly. In your top five. But man,

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Speaker 1: once again it's comment down at the bottom. But you

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Speaker 1: got Harrison Bryan at Fau, Hunter Bryant Washington troutman of Dayton,

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Speaker 1: and then Bryson Hopkins would produe. Yeah, as you can

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Speaker 1: tell here, you know, I just I don't like having

457
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Speaker 1: differences from Kati because being judged and or shamed or

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Speaker 1: my two greatest fears. It's pretty rough. As you can tell.

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Speaker 1: My top two guys are more of your big slot players,

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Speaker 1: Harrison Bryant, Hunter Bryant, and they're also the guys with

461
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Speaker 1: the really big production numbers Harrison Bryan, Hunter Bryan. I

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Speaker 1: think both were over nine hundred yards. Harrison is actually

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Speaker 1: the one that I liked better and I may be

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Speaker 1: alone on having him as tight end number one, but

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Speaker 1: he was over a thousand yards last year, huge production,

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Speaker 1: love the speed, he'd love the balance, big threat, slot fades, outs, corners, crossers.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have a couple of drops against UAB. He

468
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Speaker 1: also made a circus catch in that game. Yes, then

469
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Speaker 1: he caught a short crosser and got destroyed and didn't mind.

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Speaker 1: Still made a hands catch, ran over a guy against UTSA.

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Speaker 1: It's weird because he doesn't really get his body down

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Speaker 1: for the contact, but he's just naturally strong enough to

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Speaker 1: kind of bounce off guys. Some fenders just bounce off

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Speaker 1: of him, kind of what it looks like. Yeah, you

475
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Speaker 1: can kind of toss guys around. So I like Harrison

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Speaker 1: Bryant as my top guy, Like Hunter Bryan is my

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Speaker 1: second guy, and then Troutman at Dayton is my third guy.

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Speaker 1: And like I'll readily admit that cole Cometta think today

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Speaker 1: would be a better NFL player with Troutman. You're looking

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Speaker 1: at Oh, he's a freak. Yeah. I think he's a

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Speaker 1: really big, strong, tough I don't think he really knows

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Speaker 1: what he's doing, But I think somebody will pick Adam

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Speaker 1: Troutman second fifty with a wingspan of almost seventy eight

484
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Speaker 1: inches and then not even that, but he's athletic at

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Speaker 1: the same time, and he can run. Yeah, I do

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Speaker 1: worry a little bit about those kind of guys that,

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Speaker 1: like I have. Trutman is a third round guy because

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Speaker 1: to me, that's where I would take the risk of watching.

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Speaker 1: When he's in line, they snapped the ball, and when

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Speaker 1: he's coming off the line, he's basically just plowing into

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Speaker 1: whoever's trying to play, bumping run and then whenever he

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Speaker 1: gets through it, he gets through it like there's nothing

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Speaker 1: technique about it. It's just oh well, I'll just start running.

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Speaker 1: And it's like if that doesn't work out at the

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Speaker 1: next level, you're going up, oh real quickly. And that's

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Speaker 1: why the tight end is a position that I will

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Speaker 1: readily admit I'm happy to get rid of on my offense.

498
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Speaker 1: Like we get some big wide receivers. That's why I'm

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Speaker 1: picking the receivers there. And that's white and that's kind

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Speaker 1: of why I had commit at number one, is because

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Speaker 1: in that position, I'm kind of going just something safe

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Speaker 1: because I don't really might not have any use for

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Speaker 1: you in my offense. And that's a good transition because

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Speaker 1: I'm the same way with my top five because at

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Speaker 1: the top of mine, I've got Hunter Bryant. You talk

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Speaker 1: about a smaller tie it in who can do everything

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Speaker 1: for you, who's basically a wide receiver. I mean the

508
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Speaker 1: guy is he's in the backfield, he's on the in

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Speaker 1: the slot. He does everything, or at least he did

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Speaker 1: everything for Washington at the time. Then I've got Commet

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Speaker 1: as my second Harrison Bryant once again, like we just

512
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Speaker 1: talked about, another one of those do what everything guys.

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Speaker 1: And then I've got Thaddeus Moss in my top five.

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Speaker 1: I've got him that number four from LSU Adam Troutman

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Speaker 1: kind of rounds things out at number five. See, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be really interesting in the combine. Might help some

517
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Speaker 1: of these guys. Not that the forty is end all

518
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Speaker 1: be all at all. Yeah, I want to know what

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Speaker 1: Thaddus Moss runs it, and I I'm waiting on his

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Speaker 1: four eight. Well, I want to know what Cole Commet runs.

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Speaker 1: I want to know what Hunter Hunter Bright may go

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Speaker 1: run a four to five eight. Yeah, you know, Harrison

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Speaker 1: Bryan may go run a four six five. You know

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Speaker 1: is Cole Commet gonna be in the four eights? Is

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Speaker 1: Thaddius Moss gonna run a four to nine? I watched

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Speaker 1: watching Thaddius Moss. There are times where he will do

527
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Speaker 1: some He'll go up and get the ball like his

528
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Speaker 1: dad would. Yeah, catches everything, But my goodness, you go,

529
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: he is lumbering to get up the field, and that's

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Speaker 1: probably gonna be a problem. Now. Is it safe to

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Speaker 1: say that tight end might be the class that bounces

532
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Speaker 1: around most in the combine? I think because I think

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Speaker 1: it could. I think it could be one of the

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Speaker 1: positions that we see justle around more so than the rest.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna see many risers out of that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and maybe maybe it's Troutman and maybe as

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Speaker 1: unor Bryant from Washington. Yeah, maybe those guys rise. But

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Speaker 1: I still think you're gonna get a you know, a class.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know the wide receivers are gonna

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Speaker 1: hold off on everyone. I think the wide receivers as

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Speaker 1: as a class could could kind of fall back a

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Speaker 1: little bit, and maybe that does make room for some

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Speaker 1: tight ends. But I just don't see anyone rising there

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Speaker 1: except you know, the two guys. We kind of talked

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Speaker 1: about it's a fun class because there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: any different players, but it's just nothing amazing. Well, we've

547
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Speaker 1: gone through three positions. We were trying to get to five,

548
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Speaker 1: but we are way over time, so we're gonna push

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Speaker 1: those away for later. David Hellman will have to come

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Speaker 1: chime in a little bit on some of those other positions.

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Speaker 1: with Jeremy. Excuse me. Jeremy recently saw a Dallas Day

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Speaker 1: are eligible for Dallas Day. Jeffrey Okuda is eligible for

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Speaker 1: the guys who are coligible to be Dallas Day. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a ridiculous list. So they could use their thirty

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Speaker 1: swing through if they wanted to. Would you put Jalen

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Speaker 1: rag in that? Yeah? Okay, So I guess ideally, if

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Speaker 1: I could have any of them, I'll take Jeffrey Okuda

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Speaker 1: at seventeen. Thanks. That would be nice. Right. There's there's

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Speaker 1: another day I want to throw out just because I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's there because the Cowboys are really they're they're

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Speaker 1: thirty visits. You're right, man, they can pick and choose

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Speaker 1: and kind of spread this thing out, which is what

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Speaker 1: Jalen Rager and they're like, hey, we want me to

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, no, I'm wanting by myself. Yeah, if

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Speaker 1: first three rounds and you may want you don't do

635
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: that to me. I'm trying to watch you if you

636
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: get a chance, Jeff. It's a little bit downline. Darry

637
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: and Daniels defensive alignment from Nebraska. Okay, he's an interesting

638
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: name to keep an eye on. Again. We're talking day

639
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: three now, but that's a guy who will be at

640
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 1: Dallas Day or we'll have a Dallas Day invite. At

641
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: least Reggie Robinson's your guy, adn't he. Reggie Robinson from

642
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: Tulsa is one of my favorite cornerbacks in the draft.

643
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: In fact, I do have him grated better than your

644
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: guy Damon our Nettow. Whoa, whoa. I love Reggie Robinson,

645
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,239
Speaker 1: the cornerback from Tulsa a Dallas Day invite as well.

646
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: So I just I think there's it's great that you

647
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: get this opportunity. And I think the Cowboys are one

648
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: of the teams that really benefits because of where they

649
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: live and we crank out good football players here in

650
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: the great state of Texas. But this year, or even

651
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: more so than years past, I'm seeing a bunch of

652
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: names pop on the Dallas Day potential list. And you know,

653
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: if those players decided to show up or Dona is

654
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: up today, and I'll give you, I'll give you an

655
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: offensive player and a defensive player that I would like

656
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: to at least look at in terms of Dallas Day.

657
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: Devin Duvernet of Texas, which we've talked about in length

658
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: because he could be a mid round product of Saxy

659
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: High School that could stay in the thew area. Of course,

660
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: he went to Texas. Then you've got Jeff Gladney, who

661
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: we just talked about a couple of moments ago in

662
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: our first segment from TCU. I like what he brings

663
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: to the table. He's out of New Boston, Texas, which

664
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: is I don't even know where New Boston is, but

665
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: he went to TCU, so that it's all that matters.

666
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: But there's two guys, and that's just a potential of

667
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: the kind of guys that could be wearing the star

668
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: on their helmet next year that are at Dallas Day

669
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: because they fit into those needs. Yeah, and they're gonna

670
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: get an extra look at no doubt about. It'd be

671
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: different if it was a bunch of offensive linemen, you know,

672
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: or running backs, and there are some good running backs

673
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: on that list as well of who could potentially come

674
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: to Dallas Day. But you know, this team is probably

675
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: not gonna draft a running back. This team might not

676
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: drafting offensive lineman. We'll see how it goes. You know,

677
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: we know the needs on this team, and I think

678
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: that's very interesting that some of those needs fit and well,

679
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: hopefully these players all decide to come to Dallas. Realistic

680
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: off that list, I would take either justin mad A Bouquet,

681
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: matabk Yeah, it's Mattabeka. Okay, I promise I'm getting different

682
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: ones here. I googled it. You googled it, well, trust me,

683
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: I've gone back and forth. I've looked it up many times.

684
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: Either him or Ross Blacklock as your second round pick

685
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: down with that, either one of those guys at d tackle,

686
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: I'd take one of those. I mean, you're going secondary

687
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: in the first or wide receiver. I guess you don't

688
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 1: worry about me. I fan of both of those players.

689
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: I think I like Blacklock a little bit more, but

690
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: I think that is that is a good range for

691
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: those guys too. You know, those guys are guys who

692
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: have a chance to be top fifty guys and have

693
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: a chance to be guys where if you're on the

694
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: clock in the second round, you're going, oh or these

695
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: guys are going to be there. And the more I

696
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: look at Blackclock, the more I don't know if he'll

697
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: be there at fifty one, because that's kind of a

698
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: he might not kind of an iffy thing, and if

699
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: he goes to the combine and shows out, he may

700
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: very well not be. Kind of sticking with the same theme,

701
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: our next question comes from chip People's and he asked

702
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: what Texas product can improve their stock the most at

703
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: the NFL combine. We just mentioned Ross Blacklock, but who

704
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: else could come out of that? And that's not talking

705
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: about the University of Texas. This is the state of

706
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: Texas and maybe even going back to high school, what

707
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: about Colin Johnson? Colin john Colin Johnson runs a good

708
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: forty and good agilities at six five or six six.

709
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: If if he burns up to forty, uh, I think

710
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: that could help him. How's he gonna look in the

711
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: gauntlet where he's running laterally across the field, turning his shoulders,

712
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: turning his hips to catch foot routs? Is I'm gonna

713
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: turn a little bit and kind of have that Dez

714
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: Bryant motion. And I'll say the same thing to to

715
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: a little less extent to Baylor wide receiver Denzel Mims.

716
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: How is he gonna look laterally across the field tape?

717
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: That's my favorite drill that the wide receivers do at

718
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: the carbbine is the gauntlet where they just run across

719
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: and they have to turn the catch a pass, drop

720
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: the ball, catch pass ketch bass and get to see it,

721
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: get a good look at their hands, but also you

722
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: get a good look at how they turn their hips

723
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: and turn their body and their awareness and how quickly

724
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: they react. And I think that's one. James Prochet from

725
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: SMU is another wide receiver who needs to go run well.

726
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, I think he needs to go run well. Um.

727
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: I think people have a little more faith than Devin

728
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: de Varney. I know I do UM and moving away

729
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: from from the wide receiver position, you know, I don't

730
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: nothing's really jumping out. I mean, I guess in Texas,

731
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of Oh, I'm Josh Jones. A

732
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: few was thinking left tackle. He was a Senior Bowl guy.

733
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: He may go run the fastest forty of offensive lines

734
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: athletic man, and he moves laterally really well, and I

735
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: think he could potentially benefit another guy that's not a

736
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: wide receiver in Eno Benjamin out of Arizona State. But

737
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: kind of talking about Josh Jones, sticking with that, I mean,

738
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: we're not really looking at these offensive lineman as a

739
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: Cowboys organization at the moment. But this is a guy

740
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl that was throwing punches man, I mean,

741
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: he was mauling defensive lineman and really a defensive line

742
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: class that was impressive throughout the week in mobile. I

743
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: just think he moves so well on tape, and it

744
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: reminds me of you know, some of these left tackles

745
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: or right tackles. Wherever they're going to play in the

746
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: NFL usually comes to how teams are, how they need

747
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: him at the point. But like I used to think of,

748
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: we've seen some stiff guys taken and the top, you know, fifteen,

749
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: I remember Eric Flowers will always jump at you from

750
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: New York, and it's easy in hindsight to say that,

751
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: but I remember we're all going huh. And I think

752
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: of Colton Davis from UCLA though, who also was a

753
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: little different. He was a guy or Colton Miller, I'm sorry,

754
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: from Ucla, who the Raiders took at eighteen, and he

755
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: was a guy who moved really well but didn't have

756
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: the power. I think Josh Jones is more than just

757
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: a good mover. Andre Dillard is a guy from Washington

758
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: State last year who went in the first round and

759
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: he moved really well but also showed you the strength.

760
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: And Josh Jones shows you enough strength on tape to

761
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 1: make you go okay. Now there's sometimes where there's technique

762
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: fumbles and his feet are kind of bad. Yeah, you

763
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: worry about that a little bit, But I mean I

764
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: don't have any problem with him, you know, sneaking into

765
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: the back half of the first round if that, if

766
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: that were to happen. One more name to answer Chip's

767
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 1: question before we move on, But what about Courtney Davis

768
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: out of Texas A and M kind of going back

769
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: to wide receivers. This is a guy that was kind

770
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: of a last minute addition to the Senior Bowl roster,

771
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: played semi well. I mean he was definitely he held

772
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: his own throughout the week in Mobile. He wasn't the

773
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: best receiver there. I think Denzel Mims might have taken

774
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: him a cake on that one. But I think Courtney Davis,

775
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: if he goes out and runs really well with a

776
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: combine and puts up some numbers, he could potentially go

777
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: from a late day three guy to late day two.

778
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: He's gonna run well, and for a bigger guy too.

779
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: I mean he's six two yeah, two h five at

780
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: least that's what I have on him right now. He's

781
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: gonna run really well to come by and I think

782
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna run. Like my springtime on him as a

783
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: four to five three. I mean, I think he's gonna run,

784
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: and you watch him on tape, you're going, Okay, that's

785
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: faster than that. Yeah. So I think he's gonna be

786
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: a low four four guy. And you know, he's really

787
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: good after the catch. That's that's where he wins. Just

788
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,959
Speaker 1: get the ball into his hands. Does he always catch

789
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 1: the ball with his hands? Does he have some drops?

790
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: He absolutely does. He's got some inconsistencies that make you nervous.

791
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: I have him as a fourth round grade, you know,

792
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: kind of a Day three guy, early day three. I've

793
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: got him out as a fifth round because you see

794
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: the explosiveness after the catch, big catch radius, you know,

795
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: big target for the quarterback. I just there's so many

796
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: drops and little things about his route running that make

797
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: you go oh. But once you get the ball in

798
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: his hands, you're really happy that that happened. So that's

799
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: how I feel about him. And we didn't even mention too.

800
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: Jalen Ragor again as Jeff's guy here, Jalen Ragor may

801
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: go do run a four to eight. Yeah, Like that's

802
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: go out, Henry Ruggs. That'll help your drafts out would

803
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: be interested. That's how you go from being talked about

804
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: at thirty five to being talked about at ten fifteen.

805
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: Is it gonna help that Jalen Ragor is gonna wrap

806
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: out two twenty five like thirty times? Does that help

807
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: a drive four to eighty. He's gonna ask are we

808
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: doing squats here? May we not do that? But eight

809
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: hundred on? Oh man, let's move on. Next question comes

810
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: from Jack Parsley, and Jack asked, could you see the

811
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: Cowboys addressing backup quarterback in this year's draft? It's so

812
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: where with Dak making big money next season, I'd like

813
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: to have a quality backup who's cheap for the next

814
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: four years. And also not to Benchi, Cooper Rush's contract

815
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: is up as well. So quarterbacks goes so fast they do,

816
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: and this year quarterback I mean, yeah, outside of the

817
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: top five quarterbacks. And then I would maybe throw in

818
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts because I'm actually interested in that backing up Dak.

819
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: Not as an NFL starter, no, but as a guy

820
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: who has similar positive traits in college too. Yeah, I'm

821
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: interested in that if I can use a fourth round

822
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: pick off. But I don't think of a name though,

823
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: with this organization and with a guy like Dak Prescott

824
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: bringing in a name like Jalen Hurst, I mean, if

825
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: it is, I think that would be a problem with

826
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: your starting quarterback. I'd be like, wait, we're worried about

827
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: behind us? Yeah, I don't think anybody should be. And

828
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: I don't think Dak would be heck Selson backup Jerseys. Uh, Jerry,

829
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: I'll love it. I am interested in Easton from Washington

830
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: as another name, but after that, and then he's gonna

831
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: go in like the top forty and you're gonna be like,

832
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: what and we're doing he shouldn't be going in the

833
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: top forty. You know what I would do seventh round

834
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: if Jake from still in the board. From there, I

835
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: just want a guy who's gonna be the scout team guy.

836
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: Make sure you're throwing it to the right spot. I mean, look,

837
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: what if From's there, If you're if you're not willing

838
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: to invest in an actual backup quarterback, then what are

839
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: we doing? And that's kind of the question. Go sign

840
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: a veteran, go grab a one, just go get someone.

841
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: Yeah that sounds easy, but I'm not like, if my

842
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: quarterback gets hurt I'm probably screwed. Okay, it's a luxury

843
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: if a quarterback gets hurt and I find a way

844
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: to survive. I hear you, Tom Moore. If you're gonna

845
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Speaker 1: do that, nineteen goes down, we're left. We don't practice

846
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: out exactly. And that's the dude, that's that's that's the story, right,

847
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning. If you're gonna pay your quarterback too, that's

848
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, right, If you're paying your quarterback, well,

849
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to invest much in a backup quarterback,

850
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: It's fine. I'm not gonna be doing what the Saints did.

851
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: So you think the Saints must be honest? You think

852
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: that the Saints. I know Teddy had to play this year. Yeah,

853
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 1: but you think the Saints were happy about not having

854
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: that extra ten million dollars a cap room to go

855
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: get another offensive weapon this year. That's true. They could

856
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: have that, They could have been able to do that.

857
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: I don't know who that weapon. I think they would

858
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: rather have that extra weapon or the five and oh

859
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: they went with their backup quarterback. Could Taysom Hill have

860
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: gun five and oh? No? Does Sean Payton think Tasom

861
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: milk of gun five and oh or played him. Yeah,

862
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: he played less when Teddy was playing than he did there. Yeah,

863
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill was verted to the bench, but he's a

864
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. Guys, shout out to that special team's coach

865
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: who I knew exactly what he looked like before I

866
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: even looked him up. You tell me, Taysom Hill throws

867
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: it better than Lamar Jackson. I know a lot of

868
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: things about you, I promise so, Katie, you're saying you

869
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: would rather spend those latter round picks on other needs

870
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: than potentially back up might be wide receivers. You might

871
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: just load it up with wide receivers. Well, I mean

872
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: in this class, maybe what's gonna be there for you

873
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: in round five? Yeah? Is there gonna be a good player?

874
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: There would be good receivers. They had James Prochet from

875
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: SMUs there for you. Yeah, in round five? Worst Denzel

876
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: Mims going? Am I gonna be able to get him

877
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: in like the fourth round? Gosh? I would I have him? Awesome?

878
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: But I don't see anybody really talking about him that way.

879
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: I have an early third round grade on him, but

880
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: I could see him being there in the fourth. I

881
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: think the mystery I've got him in the third round.

882
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: But the mystery of the Baylor wide receiver I think

883
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: keeps a lot of people quiet on Baylor's tough, but

884
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: I do think it's changed. I'm putting way too much

885
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: stock into the Senior Bowl seeing him run routes from no,

886
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: we can run routes. I do this. He's legit. Though

887
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: I liked it on tape before the Senior Bowl, I

888
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: was all happy with it, so I thought the Senior

889
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: Bowl was reassurance for what I was seeing on tape

890
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: from him. But in the end, that was only good

891
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: enough to be my thirteenth ranked wide receiver. And this

892
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: year's class, that's what we're talking good thirteen will go

893
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: in the top three rounds. I guarantee it, Yeah, I guarantee. Okay,

894
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: tarteen receivers will we go on for three rounds? Is what?

895
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: Ninety four picks something like that, thirty two, sixty four,

896
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: ninety six, and you got some cop picks starting in

897
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: the third. So maybe it's like a sword pickles stay

898
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: top one hundred, thirteen wide receivers in the top one hundred. Yeah,

899
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's gonna be a good vegas over under.

900
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: Oh dude, how many receivers go that early. Over I

901
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 1: think it would be over to first round at Judy

902
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: Team Lamb, Judy Rugs, maybe Rager and Chanal. You're gonna

903
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: have five in the first round. Everything to throw t

904
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: Higgins in there. Maybe te Higgins, you're getting thirteen in

905
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: the first three rounds. You're getting that's trying to think about. Yeah,

906
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 1: lots of wide receivers out there, and it'll be interesting

907
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: to see where the Cowboys go in terms of if

908
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: they could back up their quarterback in the draft, But

909
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: it looks like maybe that's not necessarily the best option

910
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: out there. Our best option is to take when we

911
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,680
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912
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,960
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913
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953
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Speaker 1: Kyle y'alls with you, guys. We were talking about that

954
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: over under In terms of wide receivers. In the first

955
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: three rounds of the draft twenty nineteen, there were thirteen,

956
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,439
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen ten twenty seventeen, there were fourteen right at thirteen. Actually, yeah,

957
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: so we've had over, we've had under, and we've had

958
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959
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 1: thirteen over under. I'll set it at fourteen and a half,

960
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: fourteen and a half. There will be at least fifteen

961
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm up in my number. There'll be at least fifteen receivers.

962
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: Fourteen and a half, So you can take de over. Yes,

963
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: fourteen and a half, Okay, it's the over under, okayting,

964
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: And I think it'll be probably over that as well.

965
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: Just with a class like this, I think there's probably

966
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: gonna be a run of that early on. Our football

967
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: team would be terrible because I would draft. I'd have

968
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: eleven receivers active on. Getting no dybody to be so confused. Yeah,

969
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my wide receiver sixteen through twenty though

970
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: right now, and I'm going, man, I'd like to have

971
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: that third. Quintest c Fist from Wisconsin is my wide

972
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: receiver sixteen, and he's my Michael Gallup comp nice without

973
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: the duction, okay, but on the field, who looks like

974
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: to me? Van Jefferson of Florida. Yeah, wide receiver seventeen,

975
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: Wide receiver eighteen, Colin Johnson of Texas, he's had eighteen.

976
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: Brian Edwards of South Carolina, wide receiver nineteen. Just load

977
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: up and then James Prochet of SMU wide receivers twenty. Wow,

978
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: that's unbelievable. Well, while sticking with the wide receivers, we'll

979
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: talk about a pair of them here coming up in

980
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: just a little bit. But Katie, you had some this

981
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: or that last week where we played GM. We were

982
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: building our board. We just showed you a couple of

983
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 1: our boards. But we're going to continue building these off

984
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: of some of the scenarios that you had last week.

985
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: And you had a pair of really highly rated running

986
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: backs to start us off this week. Let's talk about that.

987
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: I am interested. We haven't talked a lot about the

988
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: running back position because you know, the Cowboys signed Zeke

989
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: to that big contract, my this or that for the

990
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: running back position. I want you guys to not look

991
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: at your team, just pick the best player. Who do

992
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: you want on your team? Is it JK. Dobbins of

993
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: Ohio State or is it DeAndre Swift of Georgia. Now

994
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: those are my top two rated running backs. I know

995
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: that's not what the world may think Jonathan Taylor of

996
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: Wisconsin might deserve. We are you hating on Zach Moss

997
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: and Clyde Edwards, Hilarias, Zach Moss issue. All those guys

998
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: are in the mix there, but this is my this

999
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: or that for today, Zach the JK. Dobbins of Ohio

1000
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: State or DeAndre Swift of Georgia. I have to tell

1001
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: you that I'm doing this only off of live viewings,

1002
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: as I have not studied running backs yet. I'll expose

1003
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: my own ignorance and I'll tell you in live viewings,

1004
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: will you cover the Cowboys for a living? That's right?

1005
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: And they're not running backs an offensive line. I'll tell

1006
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: you I get too in a week or two. I

1007
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: love DeAndre Swift, They're both great. Yeah, just watching live,

1008
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift popped to me Well, and I think if

1009
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna get one of these two guys, you're faly

1010
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: pumped about it. I would try to be, oh, you

1011
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: know what, Okay, here's my new official take. Okay, neither

1012
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: whichever Well doesn't go in the first round because you

1013
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: shouldn't waste a first round pick on a running back. Wow,

1014
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: thank you, that's fair, Thank you. I'll take which everyone's

1015
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: bailable in the third. Neither one are going to be

1016
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: there in the third, all right? Who will be? Probably? Yeah? Probably?

1017
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: You know Benjamin run Well if you can't, they won't.

1018
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take JK. Dobbins here. I think he's a

1019
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: bigger back, he's more experienced. He may have had a

1020
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 1: little bit more of the tread taken off those tires

1021
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: over the course of his college career because he was

1022
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: a starter for the majority of it and took a

1023
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: lot of carries. That's why you saw the statistical comparison

1024
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 1: on that graphic, and he's almost doubling up what DeAndre

1025
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: Swift had. Swift had some injury issues and that kind

1026
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: of bothers me, and it's it wasn't necessarily one single

1027
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: injury issue that scared me. It was more so the

1028
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: fact that they were lingering over the course of his

1029
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: college career. Sat out the Sugar Bowl against Baylor, and

1030
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: I had a lot of that and now I know

1031
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: that could have been a business decision, But he also

1032
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: said that he had some issues in terms of the

1033
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: health in that regard. So I'm going to take JK.

1034
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: Dobbins just because even though he is more experienced and

1035
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: he has taken a couple more hits, I think he's

1036
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: the better back. He's a little bit as well. I'm

1037
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: gonna break the Tide and I'm gonna tell you guys

1038
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: that it's close. Um, it's DeAndre Swift for me. And

1039
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: when I watched him, you're gonna get a little up

1040
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: bit extra burst with him, a little more ability to

1041
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: take it to the house. But I think there's a

1042
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: situation with Swift. If you watch Georgia, what were teams doing?

1043
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: And this will tell you a little bit of what

1044
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: you need to know about Jake from I would think, yeah,

1045
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: teams are just loading the box and they were and

1046
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: they were still. He was running through eight man boxes

1047
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: and he was running tough through there and he was

1048
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: finding a way. Now you go watch JK. Dobbins and

1049
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna see holes galore to run through. I mean,

1050
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: you're just the wide open spaces. And that's where I

1051
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: kind of went, Man, this Swift guy open space and

1052
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: it's swift. Wow. Yeah, So I think on purpose, didn't

1053
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: you know? Okay, I don't know if she sings that,

1054
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: but I believe it's the Dixie Chicks. Sorry, man, some

1055
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: time to study up on that tape too. Yeah, I

1056
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: think the Swift song was blank space. I think Okay, sorry,

1057
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, how did you do? That's my fault.

1058
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: So there is no eno enough running back talk. Let's

1059
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: go to the next one. Okay, the next one is Jeff,

1060
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: You're gonna like this wide receiver matchup another big verse

1061
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 1: little USC wide receiver Michael Pittman versus Texas wide receiver

1062
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: Devin Duverney. Well, currently, Michael Pittman is my sixth receiver

1063
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: and Devin Duverney. Okay, why are we saying it like

1064
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: that is fourteenth or fifteenth Duverney. It's DuVernay, Okay, I'm

1065
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: just being k I didn't know, well, I didn't know

1066
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: if it was like a bit. Yeah, I was just

1067
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: a legit thing or not. For me. There's a big

1068
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: difference between those two. I love Michael Pittman. I love, love,

1069
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: love Michael Pittman. I like Devin Duverne. He was your

1070
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: pet cat our first episode. Yeah, Michael Pittman is my guy.

1071
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: At six four two nineteen. He didn't move like he's

1072
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: six four two nineteen. He moves like he's a six

1073
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: foot guy. Like he's a good route runner who'll go

1074
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: high point the ball. He tracks the ball. I like

1075
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: everything about Michael Pittman. To me, he's a top fifty

1076
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: to sixty pick. Really, that's to me, I don't get

1077
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: to pick. So maybe he'll go on the third or

1078
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: fourth round. I don't know. But to me, Duverney is

1079
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 1: more of a third to fourth round guy and Pittman

1080
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: is a second to third round guy. Um, there's a

1081
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: famous director ava du Verney. That's why she's held down

1082
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: that name and the only person to know with that

1083
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: name for years. I thought so now Duverne just wanted

1084
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 1: to be a part of the bit if it were

1085
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: a bit. Uh No, I like that though. I've got

1086
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: Pittman graded higher than Duverney. It's gonna be wide receiver

1087
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: ten for me. Michael Pittman, what is Duverne wide receiver eleven?

1088
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's why you picked it? Yeah? Behind

1089
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: them a guy we haven't talked about, John High Tower

1090
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: of Boisey State, and we know this team likes picking

1091
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: Boisey State guys. John High Tower is kind of a

1092
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: fun name. I know we're going outside. Well, yes, wow,

1093
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: I think you think it's too high or too low.

1094
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: You're saying too high, oh, too too high, too high.

1095
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: I have a friend named Brian that I think likes

1096
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: ye Tower too, so I probably need to do him next.

1097
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: Sounds like he's pretty good. Just this the pure speed

1098
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: and what's he going to run at the combine? Two?

1099
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: My springtime on him is a four four one uh

1100
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 1: and you know what, he's tall, lanky, you know, which

1101
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: is kind of kind of strange. My spring weight on

1102
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: him is one eighty five. So we'll see what that

1103
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,399
Speaker 1: checks in at the combine. I'm very interested to see

1104
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: his measurements. Six One is the hight. He plays like

1105
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: some of these little slot guys, these separators who can

1106
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: get out of it, and you can do a lot

1107
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: for him. I what I wrote on my notes is

1108
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: that he and he also has returnability. I wrote that

1109
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 1: he's shifty and he is a versatile pond for the offense.

1110
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: You can use an emotion for jet sweeps, paw slip screens, pawns,

1111
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: the weakest piece on the board. I don't know, don't

1112
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: not just like a pond, just say it's just as

1113
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: something in your arsenal. Okay, there you go. Yeah, but

1114
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: but bishop rook a queen, I don't know he will

1115
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: be a rookie receiver for the offense. Yeah, there you go.

1116
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick DuVernay here, just a kind of break

1117
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: up the monotony. Here you would come the guy. I mean,

1118
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: the guy has unbelievable hands. He runs routes very well.

1119
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: And one thing about DuVernay, and this is this might

1120
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: go against my point, but I'm gonna say it anyways.

1121
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: Whenever watching film on DuVernay, it almost looks like he's

1122
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: not going one hundred percent when he's running routes. Specifically,

1123
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: I was watching the Kansas State game. He had a

1124
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: pretty nice game. I think he had over a hundred

1125
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: yards and I think he had like eleven catches or

1126
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: something like that. And in the Kansas State game, it

1127
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: seemed like DuVernay was almost going eighty percent, Like it

1128
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: seemed like he was kind of gliding, and it made

1129
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: it look effortless. That's kind of what I really was

1130
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: so much zone and maybe that I ding guys for

1131
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: that where it's like I want to see you torching

1132
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:43,919
Speaker 1: people who line up in front of you, who would

1133
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: challenge you and press up against you. Yeah, and I

1134
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: see that, but he still has separation. He faced man

1135
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: a man in the Senior Bowl practices and he fared

1136
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: quite well in the middle of it. He's a slot burner.

1137
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: I'm interested kind of how you're interested at a high

1138
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: tower at Boise State, and now he is going to

1139
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: end up being met at the NFL Combine. I'm excited

1140
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: about seeing DuVernay and what he runs, and I want

1141
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: to see the cone drill. I want to see all

1142
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: of it and see exactly what we have with Devin Duverney,

1143
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: because right now when I watch film, I see a

1144
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: guy who doesn't drop passes, which as a Cowboys fan,

1145
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm a little scarred by that at the moment, and

1146
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 1: I like the guy who catch the security of catching

1147
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: a ball. And at the same time, I also like

1148
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: the fact that maybe we haven't seen all of Devin

1149
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: DuVernay at the moment, and maybe we could. I like that.

1150
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: I think I think it's close. And again, this type

1151
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: of thing will come down to what teams need. Next

1152
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: one is edge rushers here and all of this or

1153
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: that action. Boise State defensive end Curtis Weaver going up

1154
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: against Tennessee defensive end Darryl Taylor. Man, I feel like

1155
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: you stole this off of my board because I have

1156
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: their tags touching interesting the third round. Generally, if they're

1157
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: in any type of this or that situation, I have

1158
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: them touching as well. I have them touching in the

1159
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 1: fourth round, though, I've got a couple of people in between,

1160
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: so we're fine. I have Taylor. I got Taylor just

1161
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: ahead of Weaver on my board. The production that Weavers

1162
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 1: had is incredible. Both of them have pretty good production

1163
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: I get. I hate with Weaver. What I don't like

1164
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: is the level of competition, just the fact that he's

1165
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,919
Speaker 1: a Mountain West guy as opposed to SEC. I'm watching

1166
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: him just literally run around a couple of times, He's

1167
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: just running around guys. And with Taylor, I'm watching him

1168
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: in the SEC at under two hundred and sixty pounds,

1169
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: be stout enough to kind of stand up two and

1170
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: man handle offensive tackles. I like Taylor a little bit better,

1171
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: and I'm open to being wrong on Weaver, but his

1172
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: production I discount some of it because I've just seen

1173
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: him just running circles around guys who aren't going to

1174
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: be playing football anymore. Okay, you know my situation with

1175
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: Taylor is, and I have Taylor's that who my pick

1176
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: would be just because of I do think he's a

1177
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: little bit more athletic than Weaver. With Taylor, and my

1178
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: concerns are he just ran so hot and cold. When

1179
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: you're watching in some of these games, yes, it's like, Okay,

1180
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: there's a big Stacker production and then there's nothing for

1181
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: three quarters. Yeah, and then it kind of then you

1182
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: branch it out to a season and you go, well,

1183
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: there's a big Stacker production and there's nothing for three

1184
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: or four games. Sometimes laid off the ball a little

1185
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: things like that. But you do see the pure speed

1186
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: to get around the edge. With Weaver, you don't really

1187
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: see the speed to get around the edge. You just

1188
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: see a guy just doing away, just doing it somehow.

1189
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: And that's kind of Darryl Taylor's primary pass rush plan,

1190
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: attacking the out touch outside shoulder of the tackle, and

1191
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: every once in a while, I'll flash inside. I'm gonna

1192
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: use my quickness to win. I do worry about the

1193
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: instincts a little bit, well, knowing when it's a run

1194
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: play a pass play, and how quickly he can diagnose

1195
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: all that stuff. With Weaver, you don't worry about any

1196
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: of that stuff. Yeah, Well with Taylor, I do. But

1197
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: I'm betting, and if I have a fourth round grade

1198
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: on these guys, what am I betting on here? I'm

1199
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: betting on some upside, and I'm betting on some trades

1200
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,439
Speaker 1: here and that's why I have Taylor just ahead of Weaver.

1201
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: But I can see if you're a front office, you

1202
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: may have the conversation to go back and forth with

1203
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: your buddies, going, man, this is a safe thing, safe

1204
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: thing right here. This Curtis Weaver, guy from Boise State. Yeah,

1205
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: he can be my backup defensive in right here. Yeah,

1206
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: I could give him some snaps and I can say, well,

1207
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: Darrel Taylor, I might be able to convert into a

1208
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:14,439
Speaker 1: starter one day because the upside is incredible. So Darryl

1209
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: Taylor wins by a scoch here, but it's a close winner.

1210
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: And i'd like this debate. And I'm gonna once again,

1211
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm taking the different one. I'm taking Weaver, and it's

1212
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: just because he's wild, a little bit wider, a little

1213
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: bit heavier. But I see what you're saying in terms

1214
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: of the upside of Taylor. He's got a better build

1215
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: one does. He's a little bit leaner, he has that athleticism.

1216
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: He faced tougher competition over the course of his career.

1217
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: That's why he only had the nineteen and a half

1218
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: sacks compared to the thirty four that Curtis Weaver had,

1219
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: But I gotta stay kind of short with mine. We

1220
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: got one more we're gonna get to right now. Cornerbacks,

1221
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: who you got, Yeah, this is gonna be fun. Right

1222
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: it's Mississippi State cornerback Cameron Danceler against Auburn. Okay, tags

1223
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,479
Speaker 1: tell you going? Tags touching on me making me choose

1224
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: between my Auburn cornerback Noah Igbogeny. No way. So Cameron

1225
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: Danceler is six two one eighty five Eggmanogny is five

1226
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: eleven two hundred And here's the thing about Cameron Dancler,

1227
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: at least when I watched him, My immediate takeaway was,

1228
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: holy cow, this guy does not play like I thought

1229
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: he was gonna play a lot of these tall, kind

1230
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: of lanky dudes. Now he's not gonna come up and

1231
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: help out on the run a lot, but like he's

1232
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: not getting pushed around during the route like one hundred

1233
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,439
Speaker 1: and eighty pound guy would. So I thought his play

1234
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: strength is really good. He allowed under five hundred yards,

1235
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: you know, in two straight years at Mississippi State and

1236
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: the SEC. Which now some of those schools that you're

1237
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: going up again are flinging it around a little bit. Um.

1238
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: I just think he played stronger than one hundred eighty pounds.

1239
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: I think he does a good job working through contact.

1240
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: He's got those long strides. He's probably gonna go run

1241
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: a four to five. Maybe maybe a late four nine

1242
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: I mean four four nine, four four eight area. Maybe

1243
01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: he runs that, and I think that helps him a

1244
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: little bit. He's my sixth graded cornerback. I got a

1245
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: second round grade on him. I just love the quickness

1246
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: and long speed that that dancler has in the length.

1247
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: I take dancler By by a slip. Really. I have

1248
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: dancler as my seventh cornerback and I got Noah as

1249
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: my eighth quarterback. I couldn't get over how good his

1250
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: tape was against lsu Ye was so so good. Yeah,

1251
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: and uh Igbogeny I lost it, but he also had

1252
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: incredible tape. I love both of them. They're my seventh

1253
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: and eighth corners and uh I barely go Danceler. I

1254
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: feel okay about it. I barely go Danceler. But Florida

1255
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: and Minnesota tape on Iggy, I loved him. Do you

1256
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: worry about Noah from Aubren? Do you worry about him?

1257
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: Being like just kind of being new to this cornerback thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean he was a little raw. Well he was

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver and he's transitioned back and he was

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Speaker 1: really good. But it was all the time. Man. I

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Speaker 1: think that also. It does happen sometimes, But I just

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Speaker 1: think cornerback is a position where technically you gotta be on,

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Speaker 1: you know, all the time. And with Danceler you see

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Speaker 1: that a little bit. Dancler didn't play like an awkward

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Speaker 1: six foot two cornerback and that's sometimes you see that

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Speaker 1: with those tall to go. Yeah, so here's I have

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Speaker 1: Danceler as a better player on my board, but I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna throw a wrench into things. And I think Igbanogeny

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Speaker 1: is a guy who could or is more likely to

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Speaker 1: end up on the Dallas Cowboys. And I'll give you

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Speaker 1: a reason why. He returns kicks and he returns them well,

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Speaker 1: he averaged over twenty eight yards per return this year.

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Speaker 1: He had at least a ninety six yard touchdown run

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Speaker 1: and each of his last two seasons. And he's good

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Speaker 1: at any kick returned punt return. He did both for

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Speaker 1: Auburn and he was good. That's why I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: get Rager twenty one yards per punt return. You know

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Speaker 1: there's something to him. I want to mention about Danceler

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Speaker 1: too though, and this is maybe it helps give him

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Speaker 1: the edge. It helps him if you're that much taller.

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Speaker 1: But do you do you play six two and we'll

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Speaker 1: see what he measures at the combine. But there's also

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Speaker 1: in zone coverage. There's a couple of plays where he's

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Speaker 1: floating in zone coverage and he's able to get his

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Speaker 1: hand on a ball that a five eleven guy, quite

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Speaker 1: frankly wouldn't get his hand on. Don't you take shots

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Speaker 1: at He might jump forty eight inches, he might probably

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Speaker 1: gonna be five nine at the combine, like we talked

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Speaker 1: about at the top of the show. Sure, yeah, that's okay,

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Speaker 1: But man, these this or that's a tough Katie. Well

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Speaker 1: done both last weekend this week as well, but that's

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Speaker 1: gonna do it here for this week's episode of the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Dave Hellman will be

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Speaker 1: back next week as he's done in New Orleans. Jeff

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Speaker 1: Kalvanon Kevin Turner will be here as well with myself.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's will preview the NFL combine and get you

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Speaker 1: set for Indianapolis next week. Thanks for joining us this

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Speaker 1: week on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Older

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