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Speaker 2: Problem solved touchdown, Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 2: Oh that was nasty, right there?

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Speaker 1: Rights the latest news and notes from the insiders who

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Speaker 1: cover the teams.

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Speaker 2: Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is balling, bring it on,

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Speaker 2: breaking on, Swim to the ground by Budda Baker like

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Speaker 2: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 1: I ain't scarting nobody Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: Well, it goes without saying. No one here won the

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Speaker 2: one point five eight billion dollar Megamillion's jackpots, So reporting

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Speaker 2: for duty. Danny Surrec darreonn Urban Poly Podcast.

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Speaker 3: I can't win if you don't play, Paul. Yes, that's

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Speaker 3: my mom.

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Speaker 2: Did you did you play?

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Speaker 3: I didn't. That's why I'm saying I can't win.

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Speaker 4: I was actually having this conversation last night with two

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Speaker 4: of our coworkers about if you won the lottery, would

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Speaker 4: you work for a year and save up and figure

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Speaker 4: out what you want to use your money on, and

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Speaker 4: then that second year go and take your off and

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Speaker 4: travel or do whatever you want. Or would you immediately

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Speaker 4: take a hiatus or quit your job, spend that year

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Speaker 4: doing whatever you want, and then come back the second

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Speaker 4: year to your regular life. I wouldn't leave my job

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Speaker 4: that I know, There's no question about that, Drek.

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Speaker 2: There would be no such thing as regular life once

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Speaker 2: you won the billion dollar part, right, But I feel

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Speaker 2: like if it would be chaos from all angles, you

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Speaker 2: would be hit up every single day to invest in

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Speaker 2: this help out that.

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Speaker 4: Call why people wear like the masks and stuff whenever

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Speaker 4: they go. But I I would still want to work,

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Speaker 4: mostly because I think I'd get bored if I didn't

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Speaker 4: have anything to do, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, And you're like twenty five, so it wouldn't really

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Speaker 3: help you. I'm trying to figure out, though, Like that's

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Speaker 3: pretty presumptuous that you would just say that your place

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Speaker 3: of work would give you this year.

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Speaker 4: Not necessarily, you would probably quit your job for a

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Speaker 4: year and then come back and like get another job

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Speaker 4: or start a business or do something along those lines.

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Speaker 3: I think then, and this is definitely an age thing.

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Speaker 3: Like you, you're in a completely different spot in life

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Speaker 3: than I am. If I want that kind of money,

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Speaker 3: I would. I mean, obviously I would want a good

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Speaker 3: a lot easier to spread the wealth.

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Speaker 4: I would guess one of my parents some.

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Speaker 2: Look, your full time job would become managing your money.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that's true, I would need your help.

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Speaker 2: All you would have a full time job. No, you

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Speaker 3: My guess is your parents wouldn't want any of it.

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Speaker 3: Because I feel like my younger son usually tell my

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Speaker 3: mom or my mom jeeus. Okay, there's that's a Freudian slip.

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Speaker 3: Tell my wife you might want to edit my young son.

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Speaker 3: My youngest son used to tell my wife that I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna buy you a house. She always she's

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna get super rich and I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: We're okay, if you just do well enough so that

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Speaker 3: of the dreams.

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Speaker 4: What do you need to crush his dream?

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Speaker 2: Darren? There's nothing wrong with setting the bar high, because

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Speaker 2: Danny and I will be visiting you in La Joya

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Speaker 2: every July.

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Speaker 3: Of course, come on, we can do the podcast there

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Speaker 3: because I'm still working.

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Speaker 2: Especially since we're coming off the the hottest month on

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Speaker 3: And then as well, there'll be a practice Monday outside

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Speaker 2: Well, did he not say the very going to the

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Speaker 2: say he would get the players quote out in the heat, Well,

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Speaker 2: nobody knew. Nobody knew what that meant, but he was

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Speaker 3: Well, it'll be interesting to see. I mean, I'm guessing

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen any kind of schedule yet, but I'm

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Speaker 3: very much guessing that, as opposed to all these camp

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Speaker 3: the Dignity Health Training Center are going to be in

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Speaker 3: the morning. But yeah, you're gonna be You're gonna be

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Speaker 2: Question is will you have a practice the rest of

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Speaker 2: August that rivals what you saw the final padded practice

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Speaker 2: of Cardinals camp leading to the preseason opener against Denver. Oh,

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Speaker 2: pretty intense, was it, not, Danny. I mean, there was

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Speaker 4: Well, now you're at the point where you're getting ready

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Speaker 4: sure about that yet. So there's a lot of players

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Speaker 3: I like what I talked to Will Hernandez after practicing.

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Speaker 3: He kind of got it all started when he came

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Speaker 3: that kind of ratcheted things up early. I was asking

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Speaker 3: long as you're not crossing any lines. You're not being cheap,

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Speaker 3: you're not being stupid. This is something that's gonna happen,

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Speaker 3: and then's something we need and all this stuff. And

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Speaker 3: nobody got in a fight in that last pat of practice,

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Speaker 3: so nobody got kicked out, but there was that high

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Speaker 2: So was their cause and effect? Though to Danny's point,

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Speaker 2: I'm watching him saying, all right, is it just that

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Speaker 2: same guy across the line of scrimmage, wasn't it, yell

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Speaker 2: to Frohold said after practice. Yes, the defensive line knows

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Speaker 2: all our offensive line calls. Right, the offense gets gets

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Speaker 2: really frustrated because the defense knows all the checks, they

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Speaker 2: know all the signals. It's what you would call in

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Speaker 2: high school football. All that guy's an All American, meaning

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Speaker 2: he knew the play before they snapped the ball and

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Speaker 2: guys are just sick and tired of each other and

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Speaker 2: they're definitely ready to play another team In the Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 2: Or was it because the depth chart had just come

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Speaker 4: The depth chart is interesting. Obviously there is to some

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Speaker 4: and maybe we're missing something. But one of the things

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Speaker 4: other starting cornerback. We have not seen Hamilton take first

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen him take first team reps all camp,

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Speaker 4: which makes me wonder. I think you were asking this question.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that was you, Darren in the press conference of

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Speaker 4: have we been seeing Christian Matthew Kee, Trell Clark? Have

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Speaker 4: just known what you have out of Antonio Hamilton, and

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Speaker 4: that's why he hasn't been practicing. Opposite of Marco Wilson

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Speaker 4: as a starter. So you see that and you think, okay,

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Speaker 4: like how much how much real meaning is there behind

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Speaker 4: the depth chart? If that doesn't even match with what

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Speaker 3: It's the depth chart is always especially in the preseason,

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Speaker 3: and I put this in I wrote this in my

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Speaker 3: story about the depth chart, But like, I appreciate that

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals don't do what every other team stupidly does

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Speaker 3: and calls it the unofficial depth chart. I'm like, the

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Speaker 3: team is putting it out. He doesn't get any more

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Speaker 3: that's always been a pet peeve of mine.

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Speaker 2: Could I say this though, in response? Is it coming

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Speaker 2: from the official source, is it coming from the head

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Speaker 2: unofficial media relations people who are just observing and surmising.

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Speaker 3: Let me put it this way, and this is kind

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Speaker 3: I mean it even says as constructed by the team's

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Speaker 3: media relations staff. Do you think that depth chart is

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Speaker 3: going out without Gannon's Okay, Nope, it didn't go out

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Speaker 3: with well, I mean Cliff Kingsbury had a sign off

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Speaker 3: on that depth chart or Bruce Arian Steve? What the

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Speaker 3: head coach is not letting you put out a depth

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Speaker 3: chart without him knowing what's on it, whether it's wrong

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Speaker 2: Okay? So I have two theories on the cornerback depth

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Speaker 2: chart rankings. Number one, is Antonio Hamilton listed as a

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Speaker 2: starting cornerback because he's been the starting cornerback all long

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Speaker 2: and they've just been trying to give the young guys reps.

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Speaker 2: And that's why we've seen them run with the ones.

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Speaker 2: Is because Antonio Hamilton, at thirty one years of age,

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Speaker 2: Christian Matthews started the last three games of last year,

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Speaker 3: Actually the first time I've heard that. So yeah, so

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Speaker 2: I try. I got to redeem myself after a series

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Speaker 2: By the way, I have a new one on Isaiah Simmons.

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Speaker 2: Danny is really anticipating a little bit later here in

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Speaker 3: I'm very excited to hear this.

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Speaker 2: I get a third strike, because you know, I failed

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Speaker 2: out of the gates with Eraser X was my initial

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Speaker 4: I've been waiting about six weeks for you to say Isaiah,

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Speaker 3: A say never quite now.

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Speaker 2: So not only did it not get any attraction, it's

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Speaker 3: just trying to make sure that well, if he doesn't

435
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Speaker 3: get his chance, then it's not your fault.

436
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Speaker 2: Just an innocuous name I'm throwing out at random. I mean,

437
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 2: there has no connection whatsoever that he's the poly picks

438
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Speaker 2: can break up camp on offense anyway. I just use

439
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Speaker 2: that as an example right there. You have no Conversely,

440
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Speaker 2: Key Trell Clark could be a disaster tackling in the

441
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Speaker 2: open field or on run forced, or it could be

442
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Speaker 2: the best in the league. You have no idea at

443
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Speaker 2: this point. So that's why a lot of these things,

444
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Speaker 2: especially at certain position groups that you've never seen these

445
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Speaker 2: guys tackle, then boom, I will I will.

446
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Speaker 4: Say, I wonder of you know, when it comes to

447
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Speaker 4: expected starters, are there going to be somewhere.

448
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Speaker 3: My regular season or a Broncos.

449
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Speaker 4: Game regular season expected starters, and then bringing that into preseason.

450
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Speaker 4: I wonder if there's going to be a few where

451
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Speaker 4: we are either going to see them play a full

452
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Speaker 4: half against the Broncos and that's it, or maybe we

453
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Speaker 4: see them play a few series for one or you know,

454
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Speaker 4: for two games. And I think about zab and Collins

455
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Speaker 4: and moving to a new position and trying to get comfortable,

456
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Speaker 4: maybe seeing things a little differently. And I think about

457
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Speaker 4: Colt McCoy, which is interesting because Colt's been around the

458
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Speaker 4: league for a while. He has aid before he has

459
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Speaker 4: seen a lot. However, he's also talked about how knew

460
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Speaker 4: this is and how he's still having to learn so

461
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Speaker 4: much and get used to things. So I wonder if

462
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Speaker 4: you know, obviously the quarterback rotation is going to be

463
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Speaker 4: a big thing we're going to keep our eye on,

464
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Speaker 4: but I wonder if he's going to get more snaps

465
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Speaker 4: than expected to make sure he's comfortable with this offensive

466
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Speaker 4: line and what he's seeing and running the offense and

467
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Speaker 4: working with offensive corner or Drew Petsing, especially since we

468
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Speaker 4: don't know where Petsing is going to be the first

469
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Speaker 4: few games. All we know is he's going to probably

470
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Speaker 4: try out being on the field as well as being

471
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Speaker 4: up in the booth. So those would be two players

472
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Speaker 4: I think with expected starters that you could see more

473
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Speaker 4: snaps than maybe the rest of the expected starters.

474
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Speaker 2: Because what drives NFL coaches nuts more than anything, it's

475
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Speaker 2: the unknown. Right Once again, remember Cliff Kingsbury debut twenty nineteen,

476
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Speaker 2: Matt Patricia, head coach of the Lions. All the anxiety

477
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Speaker 2: he expressed in the media, Oh boy, what's coming? What's

478
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Speaker 2: this offense is going to look like? Because Cliff had

479
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Speaker 2: kept it under wraps, turned out did it to the

480
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Speaker 2: detriment and demise of his own offense. You made that

481
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Speaker 2: gallows humor joke. Later, I thought I was going to

482
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Speaker 2: get fired at halftime of Game one, that's how bad

483
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Speaker 2: the offense looks. So to Danny's point, it is a

484
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Speaker 2: curious question. Is Colt McCoy going to be out there

485
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Speaker 2: running this offense in the preseason just to ensure that

486
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Speaker 2: you're getting some full contact, full speed football reps out

487
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Speaker 2: there and against an opponent who doesn't know what's coming.

488
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Speaker 2: Combined with the fact that just based on the red

489
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Speaker 2: white for example, which a lot of fans saw the

490
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Speaker 2: variety of looks on offense. I mean from one snap

491
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Speaker 2: to the next, they can go from thirteen personnel, three

492
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Speaker 2: tight ends, power run scheme and them boom. Next play

493
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Speaker 2: they go into five wide and Colt McCoy's in an

494
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Speaker 2: empty backfield in the shotgun. There is a little bit

495
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Speaker 2: of everything that we've seen out there, which is by design.

496
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Speaker 2: If you hear Drew Petsen and your red between between

497
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Speaker 2: the lines. They want to be multiple adapt or die.

498
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Speaker 2: They want to be all these can't be predictable. That's

499
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Speaker 2: your certain death in the NFL if you're predictable to

500
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Speaker 2: a defensive coordinator. So I get it, but I think

501
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Speaker 2: that heightens the importance of Coult McCoy being in sync,

502
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Speaker 2: especially if you have an inexperienced center and a yell

503
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 2: to Froholt only four career starts, so yeah. Really curious

504
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Speaker 2: as to how much they're going to play and how

505
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Speaker 2: much some coaches think they can simulate those sort of

506
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Speaker 2: real game situations in a camp or into practice. See

507
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Speaker 2: they don't need some of the preseason reps. But that's

508
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Speaker 2: there's different opinions on that.

509
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Speaker 3: I do think. I do think a lot is going

510
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Speaker 3: to Hinge on what you see the next two games,

511
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Speaker 3: because I think what's going to happen is is I think,

512
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Speaker 3: assuming the two practices with the Vikings come off as expected,

513
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Speaker 3: I think you'll go into the Vikings game thinking, Okay,

514
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Speaker 3: we've done what we needed to do. We've had a

515
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Speaker 3: couple of games and we got what we really wanted

516
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Speaker 3: out of the practice. It's one of the reasons people

517
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Speaker 3: like the joint practices because they can test out the

518
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Speaker 3: guys they really want to test out without necessarily exposing

519
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Speaker 3: them to games, actual game and that kind of thing.

520
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Speaker 3: So I think there's a chance they'll use that Vikings

521
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Speaker 3: week is like the final tune up, tune up, and

522
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Speaker 3: then that game self will be.

523
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Speaker 2: Let's name some names. Who do you want to see?

524
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 2: Who's peaked your curiosity? Who do you really want to

525
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: see out there against the Broncos? Who has something to prove?

526
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: Is there someone with a lot of urgency or Rashard Lawrence.

527
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Speaker 2: You gotta imagine at this point he's in his contract year.

528
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: That whole twenty twenty draft class A Josh Jones now

529
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Speaker 2: Lucky Fotu is listed as running with the Ones, and

530
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Speaker 2: he's looked really good I think in camp so far,

531
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Speaker 2: and I think he's a lynch pin on that defensive line.

532
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Speaker 2: But and heck, you could even to me at least

533
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Speaker 2: if you gave me a powerpol of players you're watching,

534
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Speaker 2: I would go with the two first round picks, Saving

535
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Speaker 2: Collins and Isaiah Simmons right up there with as much

536
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Speaker 2: as anyone, just based on their positions now they're playing.

537
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Speaker 4: Right, No, I would absolutely agree with that. I think

538
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Speaker 4: if you're gonna look at players who are likely going

539
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Speaker 4: to get more playing time than those two, I would

540
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Speaker 4: look on defense at Keetrell Clark and see what you

541
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Speaker 4: have at cornerback because that does truly seem like an

542
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Speaker 4: open competition opposite of Marco Wilson from what we can tell.

543
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Speaker 4: And I think on offense, I mean Gannon mentioned this

544
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Speaker 4: of Michael Wilson going up against Pat Certain. I mean,

545
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Speaker 4: Michael Wilson has looked very good in practice, so now

546
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Speaker 4: you want to see what he can do going up

547
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Speaker 4: against a non Cardinals defender.

548
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Speaker 3: For me, I think I'm going to be paying attention.

549
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Speaker 3: I like I would have said Clark and or Christian Matthew.

550
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Speaker 3: Now Christian Matthews a guy that got a couple starts

551
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Speaker 3: last year, but he has been a little bit grabby

552
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Speaker 3: in camp, which is one of his issues last year.

553
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Speaker 3: And can he use what little experience he has to

554
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Speaker 3: trump Clark, who's a sixth round pick. And what's funny

555
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Speaker 3: about those two guys is we're not even and rightfully so,

556
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Speaker 3: because he's not practicing. We're not even talking about Garrett

557
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 3: Williams yet, a third round pick at cornerback, who I'm

558
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 3: sure they have some expectations for, but whether that's this

559
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 3: year or not, because he's coming off the acail injuries

560
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: another thing. I would say that, and then I'm gonna

561
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Speaker 3: go with some low hanging fruit. I want to see

562
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Speaker 3: what Clayton Tuon looks like, because I think that could.

563
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Speaker 3: I don't think Clayton Tuon is surpassing Colt McCoy on

564
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Speaker 3: the depth chart, But are you comfortable enough with Clayton

565
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Speaker 3: tun as your backup quarterback at least until Kyler comes back,

566
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Speaker 3: Because if something happens to Colt McCoy early in the season,

567
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Speaker 3: are you going to be okay with putting him in

568
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Speaker 3: the lineup or would it be one of those situations

569
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Speaker 3: where you keep three quarterbacks and you keep Driscoll or

570
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 3: blow and tune is technically the backup until there's an

571
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Speaker 3: injury and you have to have a starter, and then

572
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Speaker 3: to instill your backup and you use one of the veterans.

573
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Speaker 3: That's I'm curious to know what kind of what kind

574
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Speaker 3: of work he gets.

575
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Speaker 2: That is the gravity of the situation, especially with your

576
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: Week one opponent, right, I mean, you're going up against

577
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Speaker 2: Montes Sweat and Doron Payne and Jonathan Allen and Chase

578
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 2: Young and you have soon to be thirty seven year

579
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 2: old Colt McCoy, not known for his mobility, is his

580
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: capability back there? So to Darren's point, the reality is, yeah,

581
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 2: especially in that game against that defensive front, you could

582
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: be one snap away from seeing a Clayton tune in

583
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Speaker 2: a regular season game. And how regular season ready can

584
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 2: he be, especially when you're not going to see anything

585
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: in the preseason that resembles the regular season. It's going

586
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: to be so vanilla in the preseason. But once again

587
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: we get back to the old adage. You can lose

588
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: a job in the preseason. You can't necessarily win it

589
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: out of the gates. But if you look so bad

590
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: in the preseason opener, or you look so bad in

591
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 2: one of these practices. Guess what, You can lose a

592
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 2: job instantly, and Clayton has not done that. He has

593
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: fared well. He so far. He has kept up with

594
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: the class, so to speak, and he has earned the

595
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: respect of a lot of players in that locker room.

596
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: You guys are in that locker room every single day

597
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: after practice. Would you agree that when players talk about

598
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: Clayton tune, it's not false platitudes. It seems sincere and genuine. Yes,

599
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: that so far he has impressed as a fifth round

600
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Speaker 2: rookie quarterback.

601
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Speaker 3: Yes, again, for what he can do so far. And

602
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 3: I do think, in my opinion, being not a coach,

603
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: I do think he I don't want to say took

604
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 3: a step back, but when they went to pads, when

605
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: they started going eleven and eleven with more real football

606
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 3: in air quotes, I don't he didn't look quite as

607
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: impressive as he did in the early days of practice.

608
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: So I mean, those things are going to happen, and

609
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: you know, but you know again, I also think to myself,

610
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: Logan Thomas went nine for eleven in his first preseason game.

611
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: Is that true? Yes, Oh my goodness.

612
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: And everybody's like Logan Thomas was a pretty good pick. Well, yeah,

613
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: for a future tight end.

614
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: Maybe he was playing in the fourth quarter of a

615
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: preseason game against guys who would ultimately be in the XFL.

616
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: Who did you like better, Paul Buster Davis or Herman Johnson?

617
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, oh my goodness. Well, you know, Buster Davis

618
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: was better copy. I'll say that he was a better quote.

619
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Speaker 3: So it was as he was also a higher peggy

620
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Speaker 3: with a third round pack.

621
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Speaker 2: Oh boy, yeah, he most definitely put the bust in

622
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Speaker 2: a buster.

623
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Speaker 3: Tody Brown. How about Cody Brown?

624
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 2: Cody brown Man. We never even saw Cody Brown in

625
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: that camp. In the camp either, he was right.

626
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: He got hurt in his rookie camp and then he

627
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: came back and got cut at the end of the

628
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: preseason his second year.

629
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Speaker 2: So yeah, so okay, are we avoiding the center position

630
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: in terms of just sheer competition at his particular position?

631
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Speaker 2: Yel de Froholt does he have this? You know, we

632
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: we had we had pad elf Line on the Big

633
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: Red Rage and we asked him about the fact. And

634
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: Craig Grielou noticed this as well that over the course

635
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: of an eleven to eleven practice eleven on eleven and

636
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: John Gains and Pad elf Line swaps spots from snap

637
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: to snap. One guy would play center the next and

638
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: then and play guard, and then they would flip and

639
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: so okay, Obviously they're trying to get a sense of

640
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: positional flexibility. And if you're only dressing eight offensive linemen

641
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: on game day, that is imperative that a guy can

642
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: play multiple positions. But that is interesting, you know, And

643
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: once again it gets back to the equation for the

644
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: same reason that Paris Johnson Junior is going to play

645
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: over at Calvin Beacham, could it be the same with

646
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: the John Gains versus a veteran like Pat Elfline or

647
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: even Yelled fro Holt. If John Gains represents the future,

648
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: is there a path to him becoming a starter right

649
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: out of the gate?

650
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see. And on the depth chart,

651
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 4: they were both listed at center, and maybe that's just

652
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 4: depth chart purposes right of picking one position of where

653
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 4: they would be, But we have seen them move around

654
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 4: on the offensive line. So there's a lot of questions

655
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 4: there about what is going what the preseason games are

656
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 4: going to look like, to try and get a hint

657
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 4: on what this roster's going to look like come the

658
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 4: regular season. It is interesting to feel like we're at

659
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 4: this point and you don't know who your backup center is,

660
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 4: especially because you're starting center and yelled de Froholt doesn't

661
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 4: have a ton of experience, And we had talked about

662
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 4: all off season about all of us on this podcast

663
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 4: of wanting to see a veteran center brought in, and

664
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 4: you brought some one who has experience in padouf Line,

665
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 4: but on dep chart he's listed as your third center.

666
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 4: So it's interesting to see again if this is a

667
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 4: situation of just trying to see what you have in

668
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 4: John gains and prepare for the future, does the coaching

669
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 4: staff really see John Gaines above Padoufline to be your

670
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 4: backup center. That'll be interesting to see how it plays

671
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 4: out these next three games.

672
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 3: I do think we kind of and you made the

673
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: comment about Connor being definitely RB one, and I look,

674
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: obviously there's some guys that are going to play. DJ

675
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: Humphries is going to play tackle, Paris Johnson's going to

676
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: play tackle. That's it's pretty clear at that point. But

677
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 3: I will agree that I do think more positions for

678
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: this team in terms of amount of playing time. I

679
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 3: do agree most of them are fluid at this point.

680
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: And I do agree with the coaches when they say, hey,

681
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 3: we still have a month before the season starts. I

682
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 3: mean we are used to knowing a lot of stuff

683
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 3: by the end of camp. Well, there's two things here. One,

684
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: we are leaving Stay Farmed Stadium and to me, camp's

685
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: not over. Camp's not over until after Minnesota because it's

686
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 3: all camp. It just depends on where it is. But

687
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: we are leaving Stay Farm Stadium camp a week earlier.

688
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 3: So I think mentally it's easy to say, well, you

689
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 3: thought we would have more answers by now, and when

690
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: we're leaving, well, we're leaving a week earlier. Number One,

691
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,959
Speaker 3: they haven't even played a game to have three preseason

692
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: games still to go and knock on wood. I mean,

693
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 3: they've had some injuries, but they haven't had any as

694
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 3: far as we know, they haven't had any serious injuries,

695
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 3: and unfortunately there's usually one of those that crops up

696
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 3: in training camp. Yeah, so I do think there is

697
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 3: a lot to be determined. I do believe that the

698
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 3: coaches are saying the truth when they don't know for

699
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: sure if Elfline or John Gains can be the second

700
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: string or even surpassed Yell the frole. We'll see what

701
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: happens in games. If frohole looks terrible in a game,

702
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: that changes the whole equation. Just like you were saying,

703
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 3: can't necessarily win it, but you could probably lose it.

704
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: And we could go down the list of all these

705
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: things that we could see in the next three weeks.

706
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: I mean, what's the physical condition of a pad elf

707
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: line in terms of recovering from injuries each of the

708
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: last two years. He's played fifteen games last two years,

709
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: started all fifteen of those games, but he's been injured.

710
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: He's in season number seven or eight of his NFL career.

711
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: So what does he look like? Now you knew what

712
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: he looked like coming out of Ohio State when he's

713
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 2: the Remington Award winner as a top center in college

714
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: football three times first team All Big Ten, So okay,

715
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: as the credentials, But is the body cooperating on a

716
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 2: pad elf line at this point because he's been really

717
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: banged up each the last couple of years. You can

718
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: only find out when you get into some of these

719
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: preseason games. And I think that's where going to the

720
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: left guard spot, we think it's Elijah Wilkinson or Dennis Daily.

721
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: But if either one of those guys, you know, struggles

722
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: to some degree, could a Marquise Hayes get flipped over there,

723
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 2: for example? Is there? So I think the whole center

724
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: left guard thing is definitely fluid at this point to

725
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: a lot degree. We'll see. And as far and I

726
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: wrote this down as far as the quarterback thing goes,

727
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: did you guys see the NFL dot com headline this

728
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: week that read and I quote, the Cardinals QB situation

729
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: is exceedingly weird end quote. And it was the opinion

730
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 2: of a Greg Rosenthal who had literally had over fifty

731
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: NFL camp points he made one by one just observations.

732
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 3: I know Greg a little bit, and.

733
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: He called the Cardinals QB situation exceedingly weird. Why didn't

734
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: really explain, just like, I guess wasn't buying Colt McCoy

735
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: in his fourteenth season, Well, guess what you're in this

736
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: situation because your starter is rehapping from a knee injury.

737
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 2: So that's I didn't quite. So I just think there's

738
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: a lot of people from the outside looking in misreading

739
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: a lot of what's going on.

740
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: I would agree with that at camp, I would agree.

741
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: With various angles and storylines someone else throughout there that

742
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: the Cardinals are inevitably going to sign one of these

743
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 2: pass rushers who are still in the open market. No,

744
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: Jadavian Clowney, Melvin Ingram, Carl Stn't, Lap Tray Flowers, Kyle Vannoy,

745
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: And I'm with you. I'm like, no, it's not happened.

746
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 3: Not happening.

747
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: No, I'd be really surprised.

748
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 4: I think you do that if you're in a situation

749
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 4: where you are one player away from where you really

750
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 4: think you can make a pushing. As negative as that sound.

751
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: There's just a lot and a lot different in the situations.

752
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 3: Speaking red rushers, MI J. Sanders was listed at third

753
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 3: string two.

754
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,959
Speaker 4: He was back at practice, then he wasn't, then he wasn't.

755
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 4: Still still had like a rap on his hand, looked

756
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 4: like his thumb was what really.

757
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: I know everybody wants to know all all the details

758
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 3: of the banged up guys, but I think it's safe

759
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 3: to say, guys that we are not going to be

760
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: getting a whole lot of injury information, clear injury information

761
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: under this regime.

762
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: But then again, is that really that outrageous? Is he

763
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 2: ahead of Saving Collins. No, is he ahead of Cameron Thomas.

764
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: Camp Thomas has looked good, I think in this camp

765
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: so far. He played a two fifty five last year,

766
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: says he's up to two seventy with U and he

767
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: reduced his body fat percentage. I mean he's strong, he's quick.

768
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: I would not be surprised that Cam Thomas came out

769
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: against the Broncos and we called his name a lot.

770
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 2: I think to me, he's looked good. And then Dennis

771
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 2: Gardek has been running with the ones quite a bit.

772
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: So it has looked good in practiced I do I agree.

773
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 4: With We've seen him give Paris Johnson a run for

774
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 4: his money on more than one occasion.

775
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: I think. I think Dennis has been better than I

776
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 3: thought he was going to be.

777
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 4: And then again, what are you going to have out

778
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 4: of b j o Jalari? Where is he if he's

779
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 4: just been doing mostly mental reps and now that he's

780
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 4: able to do some out on the field, what is

781
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 4: that timetable going to look like for when you can

782
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 4: fully get everything out of him. It's also been interesting

783
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 4: to see that your edge rushers have been switching sides

784
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 4: very consistently. They haven't had a set side the way

785
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 4: the cornerbacks have, so that's been a little different to

786
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 4: see as well.

787
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: Has anybody talked to Owen Pappo.

788
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 3: I have yes.

789
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 2: Is he a quiet no young man?

790
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: I think he's he's got some energy. I just was

791
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 3: telling Young Danny about this at practice because she was

792
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 3: still seeing Marcus Golden when she saw Owen Papal was

793
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: forty four, and she's like, I missed that energy. I'm like,

794
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 3: Owen Papal actually is a pretty I like him a lot.

795
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: He's a good kid. He wants to be a NFL

796
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 3: strength and conditioning coach when his career is over, and

797
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: he's an athletic freak. And he's another guy who I

798
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 3: think has shown some things in camp now again, especially

799
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 3: at an inside linebacker spot that can get real complicated mentally,

800
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 3: real fast, as we've seen from Isaiah Simmons, Hassan Reddick,

801
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 3: Zay and Collins. Like so, I don't want to get

802
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 3: ahead of my skis there, but but.

803
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 2: All three of those guys, especially the first two you named,

804
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 2: didn't play inside linebacker in college. So if you get

805
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 2: an experience inside linebacker in the preseason games, especially against

806
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 2: Vanilla schemes. How many times have we seen some of

807
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 2: these guys on the far end of the roster who

808
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: have played like fifty games in college and the SEC

809
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: come in. Cardinals had one just last year or the

810
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 2: year before, there was a middle linebacker out of Auburn

811
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: who just may tackle after tackle after tackle. I could

812
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: see Owen Papo being that guy. There's I was talking

813
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: to some players that are like, that guy is quick,

814
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: he's obviously strong, he's a weight room freak. Yeah, but

815
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: they said he really flows to the football. That's the

816
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: verbiage they use. He flows to the football because he's

817
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: so instinctual, because he's played it for so long.

818
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 3: And he's one of those guys who is going to

819
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: be on this team for special teams alone. And if

820
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 3: he can grow into a solid defensive player, that would

821
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 3: be fantastic.

822
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: I mean, he'll he'll get out there, He'll be like

823
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: kick butt Kowski and all of a sudden, you know

824
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: he's gonna be threatening on the depth chart. Do you

825
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: know what that? I think about using that? That was

826
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: my test run of kick butt Kowski. Maybe using that

827
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: in the preseason game.

828
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 3: I think you should.

829
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 2: It was it's a cartoon. When do you have you

830
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: heard of kick butt Kowski? Omo, you haven't. It was

831
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: on the Disney Channel this cartoon when my son was young.

832
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: He was like a skateboarder, daredevil, kickbuck kick butt Kowski.

833
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's a great name for a for

834
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: like a middle linebacker, kick butt Kowski.

835
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: No, I've never heard of that.

836
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: Okay, well it's over three, which brings us to the nickname.

837
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 2: Oh yes, you know, I'm gutting for punishment around.

838
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 4: Here, so I'm marking Isaiah when we get back to

839
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 4: the facility by the way at my Binko card.

840
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: Because it can always get worse. Calvic's gonna offer up

841
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: yet another nickname for Isaiah Simmons. Why do I not

842
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: learn envelow? Please over here? As I'm thinking, based on

843
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: the new position deep center field safety and his ability

844
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: at six foot four to loom over the back end

845
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: of the defense and really bring the pain to a

846
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: receiver coming across the middle or trying the seams or

847
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: over the top, how about go somewhat biblical, somewhat historical

848
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:03,479
Speaker 2: Isaiah the Intimidator, And that'll do it for this edition

849
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,959
Speaker 2: of Cargo's Underground. Come on, don't you see it? Don't

850
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: you see the old back in the days of a

851
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: Ronnie Lott playing in the deep secondary. You know, just

852
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: those big, vicious free safety big hitters.

853
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 3: I mean the ones that draw flags every time they

854
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 3: do it.

855
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: Now, I know you can't do it to the same

856
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 2: degree in today's NFL.

857
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 3: I get it.

858
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 2: I get it.

859
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: We can ask Rondell Moher, who only got a half

860
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 3: hit and went down pretty good in the Red and

861
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: White scrimmage.

862
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: There you go. See, I'm wondering if that's evidence of

863
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: his mentality.

864
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 3: Oh, he said in his press conference, he said, like

865
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 3: when he was suggested that he being back there, he

866
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to hit as much. He goes, why

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Speaker 3: would you say that? And then he proceeded to say,

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Speaker 3: not only did he plan on doing that, but like

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Speaker 3: he basically said, he basically implied that he was faster

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Speaker 3: than Buddha Baker and Jalen Thompson, even though all of

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Speaker 3: them run to the ball. Well, he'll get there first

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Speaker 3: because he's so fast.

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Speaker 2: You know, I refresh my memory. I looked at his bio.

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Speaker 2: So he ran the four three nine forty, which was

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Speaker 2: the seventh fastest forty of any player at his combine,

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Speaker 2: any player, any position he was. He's a fast dude,

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Speaker 2: so he's not lying when he thus himself among the

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Speaker 2: top five or six fastest guys on this team. And

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Speaker 2: if you're putting in deep center field safety and you

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Speaker 2: got to figure that with his size, his height, his wingspan,

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Speaker 2: his speed, You've given a quarterback a lot to think

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Speaker 2: about it if they're going to take a deep shot

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Speaker 2: down the seam or something like that. Just his range alone, right,

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Speaker 2: not to mention maybe bringing a forearm shiver and a

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Speaker 2: little lumber, you know, to make a guy think twice.

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Speaker 3: The intimidator.

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Speaker 4: You should test it out on the broadcast.

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Speaker 2: Well free advice from Calvicy Consulting. I'd get at least

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Speaker 2: one excessive contact personal foul in the preseason, just to

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Speaker 2: put it on film. Light somebody up at some point

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Speaker 2: in the preseason, just to put it on film.

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Speaker 3: I'm the biggest guy in the yard, and try and

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Speaker 3: take him out.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Darren Better said, well, put so. Terry McLaurin

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Speaker 2: Week one is looking at the film going so, okay,

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Speaker 2: this cardinal's secondary. He's reconstructed. Whoa who's number nine playing

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Speaker 2: deep over the middle. If I'm trying for a deep

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Speaker 2: shot from Sam Howell or Jacoby brissaid, I better think

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Speaker 2: twice about Isaiah the intimidator lighting me up.

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Speaker 3: Here's what I want I want to I want you

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Speaker 3: guys to get Isaiah on the big red Rage and

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Speaker 3: then run that past them, and I want to see

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Speaker 3: how that goes.

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Speaker 2: I've yet to have the guts to run any of

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Speaker 2: those nicknames past Isaiah Simmons. Just to let you know,

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Speaker 2: they will only be spoken here on Cardinals Underground. Brought

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