1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth Lazar, Well everybody nailed it. Hello everybody, 3 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: and welcome into the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts right 4 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: here um Patriots dot com. I'm Evan Lazar, joined as 5 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: always by Alex bart The band is back together, baby, 6 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: and that as always is carrying a lot of weight 7 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: this week, isn't it right? And I did it exactly 8 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: the same as wet, the same exact same intro. So look, Alex, 9 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people I'm sure that are listening to 10 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: this listen to us on Patriots Speed for many, many 11 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: a time, even before that Patriots Press Pass, Patriots Press 12 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: Pass absolutely so those people don't necessarily need the intro, 13 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: but hopefully we are gonna draw in some new listeners 14 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: as well. So I do want to introduce ourselves a 15 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: little bit off the top of the show. And I 16 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: think the number one thing that I can say, number 17 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: one way I can put it, is that this is 18 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: a show with two football junkies for football junkie. Yes, 19 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: all right, this is not no talk radio hot takes, 20 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: no talking about you know, people's feelings. For three hours, 21 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: we talk X as a nose, we break down the roster. 22 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: This is for the football nerds out there, this is 23 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: your show. Yeah, all kinds of that stuff. So we'll 24 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: get deep into the exit the nose. We like to 25 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: get into, you know, the fringes of the game. We're 26 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: talking about. There's no player on the roster that's not 27 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: on our radar. If they make a move on the 28 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: practice squad, we're gonna talk about that. When they bring 29 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: back helmets for the first time in ten years, we'll 30 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: talk about that, the history of it, all of that. 31 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: So there's no topic too small for this show, which is, 32 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: you know, my approach and Evan, I think your approaches too, 33 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: is you know, when I was sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years 34 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: old following the Patriots, this is the show I was 35 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: looking for. That's basically what this is. I will say though, 36 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: because you mentioned obviously we did the show before. When 37 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: we announced it this morning, just the reactions of people 38 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: and how positive everybody was and how excited everybody was 39 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: that blew me away. That meant a ton. So just 40 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: a huge thank you to everybody for that support and 41 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: hopefully hopefully you didn't idealize it. During the break hopefully 42 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: it's just as good as you remember, and we can 43 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: we can live up to that, right, I feel I 44 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: was thinking about this this morning on my drive in. 45 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: It's been a little while since I've been in this 46 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: chair and hosted a podcast, and you know, I'm sure 47 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: it's just like riding a bike though, right, wellyeah, we'll 48 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 1: get back. But yeah, I'm glad that we prefaced the 49 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: whole show by saying that this is this is really 50 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: truly the nitty gritty detail, Like, that's what we're here 51 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: to give you, guys. We are going to talk about 52 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: literally every single roster moved his teammates, even as signing 53 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: to the practice squad. One of us will have a 54 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: detail take, and one of us will have at least 55 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: some take on it. I think some players you are 56 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: more familiar with, and some players I'm more familiar with, 57 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: especially the college guys, is more your things. Yes, So 58 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: if you're not familiar, that's gonna be a theme. You're 59 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: gonna hear me mentioned college players for the next couple months. 60 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: And then in April Evan will be like, oh I 61 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: found this guy. I'll be like, oh, you should have 62 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: listened to me months ago. All right, So we do have. 63 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: We do take calls now, which is pretty cool. So 64 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: five PATS five hundred is the phone number for calls. 65 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: You can also email us at web radio at Patriots 66 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: dot com and we'll answer some of those questions and 67 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: take your calls and go from there. But I do 68 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: want to kick things off with a little practice report. 69 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: We were both at at practice on Wednesday and just 70 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: the fallout from what we witnessed. I want to start 71 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: with the quarterback position. We're gonna get the Taekwon, who 72 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: was at practice for the first time since that going 73 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: on injured reserve, and we'll get to that in a 74 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: second two but I want to start with the quarterbacks. 75 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: We saw Mac Jones out there. I thought he was 76 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: doing a little bit more than what we saw on Friday, 77 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: moving around a little bit more, making some throws, dropping 78 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: back a little bit more to pass, but certainly still 79 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: favoring that ankle. And I don't want to get to 80 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: get that crystal ball out right. I don't want to 81 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: try to read too much into the future, but it 82 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,679 Speaker 1: looked like somebody that was maybe a week away. Still. 83 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: You didn't really look like a guy that was fully 84 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: one hundred percent and ready to start on Sunday. With 85 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: that being said, he was out there. I think there 86 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: is at least a chance that he starts on Sunday. 87 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: I think he surprised a lot of people last week 88 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: with how much progress he made in such a short 89 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: period of time. But what I really want to get 90 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: into is something that we talked a lot about on 91 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: filtered outs before you jumped on is Zappy and your 92 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: confidence level in Bailey Zappy? And just like you just 93 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: set it up, Bailey Zappy was a guy that you 94 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: were talking about in October in the fall before the draft, 95 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: saying I'm gonna go home and watch Western Kentucky because 96 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: they have this quarterback that's thrown for six hundred yards 97 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: a game. It happens to be Bailey Zappy. Where is 98 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: your confidence level based off of what you saw on 99 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: Sunday in Bailey Zappy? Because there's a lot a lot 100 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: of people that are jacked up about Bailey Zappy right now. Yeah, 101 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: I'd say cautiously optimistic. I think the big question with 102 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: me for Bailey Zappy is when he came in the 103 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: game on Sunday right against the Packers. He looked good, 104 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: but it was very I mean the training wheels were 105 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: on kid gloves all that, which is what you'd expect. 106 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: He's dressing for the first time at lambau Field against 107 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Who knows how much he was actually involved 108 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: in practice, how much of a game plan they actually 109 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: had for him. I get that he looked good with 110 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: what they gave him, but they didn't put a ton 111 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: on his plate. What I'm curious heading into this week, 112 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: assuming he starts, is well, okay, how much are they 113 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: going to open it up really with him? Now that 114 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: he is the presumed starter, he is going to have 115 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: a full week of practice as that number one guy. 116 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: Is it gonna look like it did last week against 117 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: Green Bay? Because then you're probably going to see a 118 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: similar result. They'll run the ball well, but the Lions 119 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: will be able to pack the box. He won't see much. 120 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: Are they going to open it up a little more, 121 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: get him a little more involved, put him back in 122 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: that shotgun, do some of the spread stuff he did 123 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: at Western Kentucky. I do like the play action looks 124 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: they gave him. Maybe open that up a little bit more, 125 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: so I do trust he can do some more. Can 126 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: they give him the full playbook? I don't know about that, 127 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: but I do think there's a little more there that 128 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: he could handle, especially against this defense which is last 129 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: in the league right now and points allowed. The question 130 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: is how much of that are they really going to 131 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: do or are they just going to be super conservative 132 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: with him? Again, I think that's a good way of 133 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: putting it, because my analysis of Bailey Zappy is that 134 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,239 Speaker 1: I'm not really sure what everybody's getting all excited about 135 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: because of what we saw on Sunday. But I do 136 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: think that the context that you put in there of well, 137 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: they didn't really let him do much on Sunday is 138 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 1: maybe part of the reason why I wasn't super impressed. 139 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: I think I don't think people are overwhelmed with him 140 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: because of any positives. I think they're overwhelmed because there 141 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: were no or very few negatives. Right. You look at 142 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: what happened the week before they turned the ball. The 143 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: Patriots turn the ball over what was it three to 144 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: four times in that game? Five was a five actually 145 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: with the fumbles. I think it's four? Was it four? 146 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: With the fumbles? And they come out he has just 147 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: the one turnover Zapp he does, which really was more 148 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: of a breakdown up front and Bill talked about that 149 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: actually before the game, was asked about evaluating turnovers and said, 150 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: sometimes when blocking breaks down, there's only so much you 151 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: can ask of the quarterback. I think that's why everybody 152 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: was excited, because it was a relatively clean sheet in 153 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: the turnover game versus what you'd seen against Baltimore. Now, 154 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: not turning the ball over certainly a huge plus. It's 155 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: not to knock it, certainly a huge plus. But you know, 156 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: a zero in the turnover column doesn't always win you 157 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: a football game. You got to be able to get 158 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: points on the board. You've got to be able to 159 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: move the ball things like that. You gotta be able 160 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: to pick up first downs, which they struggled to do 161 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: late in that game. So that's the questions, is they 162 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: put more on his plate? Obviously there's more risk with 163 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: that and kind of weird do they feel that risk 164 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: reward balances. Yeah, So, I think the biggest thing to 165 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: me was that you couldn't necessarily contextualize on the box 166 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: score where some of the bad plays were for Bailey 167 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: Zappy because she wasn't turning the ball over, which is good. 168 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: But ultimately, when you went back and watch the film, 169 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: there is three or four instances I would say, where 170 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: he leaves a clean pocket or panics in the pocket 171 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: and missus open receivers down the field. Now, when we're 172 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: watching it, even from the press boxer on TV or 173 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: fans are watching it at home, that is not you 174 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: can't necessarily it's not tangible, right, Like, it's not like oh, 175 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: Bailey zappy through three interceptions and was a disaster. Right, 176 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: there's no missed wide receivers per whatever stat should be, 177 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: but there isn't. Right. I'm sure you can find some 178 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: some nerd math that'll back yeah, or maybe I haven't 179 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: make my own stat right, but there that's the thing, right, 180 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: is that there is no stat for that. So the 181 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: fact that they're wearing a bunch of turnovers, it's like, okay, 182 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: well that's great. But the problem was the plays that 183 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: he left on the field, right, and the plays that 184 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: he didn't make I felt were a bigger are concerned 185 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: to me. And some of the plays that he did make, 186 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: like throwing it a wide open DeVante Parker off of 187 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: play action, Like, it's good that he got the ball there. 188 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: It was a good ball. It was a clean pocket. 189 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: Go receiver was wide open, and he made the throw, 190 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: he made a play should make, which granted, granted you 191 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: don't always see that from rookie quarterbacks. Not every rookie 192 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: quarterback is out there making all the plays they should make. 193 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: I will say, in terms of what you talked about 194 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: with missing the receivers, is that a Bailey zappy thing? 195 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: Or is that a Patriots coaching point? Because go back 196 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: to last year. Wasn't that the big knock on Mac 197 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: for the first half of last year that yeah, he 198 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: hit this little five yard pass here, but he had 199 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: a guy twenty five yards down the field that he 200 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: didn't throw the ball too. So is that Bailey zappy 201 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: or is that just the way they're coaching it? And 202 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: by the way, it would make total sense if that's 203 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: the way they're coaching it, just given what we know 204 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: about their priorities. If that's the way they're coaching it, 205 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: can they go this week and it goes back to 206 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: what I said before about putting more on his plate 207 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: and say, hey, we didn't want to throw in this 208 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: ball last week. We just wanted you know, get in, 209 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: get out. Nothing traumatic. Well you make this throw now, 210 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: now this throw, this is a more this is a 211 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: higher priority. Read kind of look more down the field 212 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: as we get going. I would say that it wasn't 213 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: so much the coaching though, in my opinion, because a 214 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: lot of the throws that I was seeing him miss 215 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: were first read throws, like the third and five in overtime, 216 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: where they're clearely trying to get the ball to Hunter 217 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: Henry and he's open and he panics a little bit 218 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: because they did rush five and there's a little bit 219 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: of a push there and he tries to scramble out 220 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: of the pocket. Or as a play earlier in the game, 221 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: they love that. I don't know if they call it 222 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: double dig level whatever, but it's two incuts right, one 223 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: from the outside receiver, one from the inside receiver, and 224 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: they either trying to clear it out and hit the 225 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: second receiver or they get that first receiver, and Nelson 226 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: Aglare is the first receiver and all he's got to 227 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: do is throw it on the other side of the linebacker, 228 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: and Nelson Aglare is open, and he just takes off 229 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: and tries to run with it and it ends up 230 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: running into pressure and throws the ball away. So those 231 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: are the types of plays that you look at that 232 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: are not again they're not turnovers on the box score. 233 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: So people are saying, oh, he was clean. It's like, well, 234 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: but what about the plays that he didn't make? Are 235 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 1: the plays that he left out on the field. To me, 236 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: that's what's shocking to me about how much positivity there 237 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: has been around Bailey z Appy is. And I think 238 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: this also stems from the fact that, look, this is 239 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: why you listen to this show. This is why you 240 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: read our stuff like we're are the ones that are 241 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: supposed to go and comb through the film and make it. 242 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: It's all context. It's all the whole point of this show. 243 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: If we do the show right, half of the people 244 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: listening are gonna think were we're die hard homers. Half 245 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: of the people listening are gonna think we hate the 246 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: team because at the end of the day, I know, 247 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: everybody has to have a take and you got to 248 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: be one way or the other. When you apply context, 249 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: which is what this show is. It's just applying context 250 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: to what we've seen. It's usually somewhere in the middle. Yeah, 251 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: and that's that's kind of what it is with Bailey Zappy. 252 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: I understand why you think people are too happy about him. 253 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 1: I think again, it's that well, hey, he didn't turn 254 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: the ball over. That's great, it is great, But is 255 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: that really all you're looking for from the quarterback or 256 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: do you want a little bit more than that. I 257 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: think you can say, hey, for what it was, he 258 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: played well, because I do think I will sit here 259 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: and say for what it was for Bailey's appy, first 260 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: career start, first time dressing in the NFL at Green Bay. 261 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers on the other side, close game. For what 262 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: it was, he was great. I thought he was gonna 263 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: come out there and start throwing a ball left and right, 264 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: and it was gonna be a mess. Moment was going 265 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: to be too big. He was, and you could see 266 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: it in his body language. He was ready for that moment. 267 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: He embraced that moment and his tea, as he told 268 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: as he said earlier this week as hemates helped him 269 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: out with that. But the moment wasn't too big for him. 270 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: That's great. It was great for what it was. But 271 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: that's not always what it's going to be. It's you 272 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: need to a little more once you kind of get 273 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: into these bigger picture things. A start, right, a true 274 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 1: NFL start, you're looking for a little more, right, That's 275 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: My whole thing is that the intangibles are good. On Sunday, 276 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: he didn't. The moment wasn't too big. His confidence was high, 277 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: and he went out there and he looked like a 278 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 1: serviceable backup quarterback. The problem him is is that as 279 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: we project this forward, what where do we go from here? Right? 280 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: Because that's the baseline, like, that's the that's the bottom line, 281 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: that's the floor. Is that you at least look like 282 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 1: you belong in an NFL game. But now, once we 283 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: progress forward, where do we go from here? And that's 284 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: the last Bailey Zappy point I want to bring up, 285 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: and then I want to move on a call screen. 286 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: By the way, OX is already lighting up. We already 287 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: got two calls, so we'll get you guys in a second. 288 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: But before we get to that, I just want to 289 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: mention that what you talked about briefly there at Western Kentucky, 290 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: Bailey Zappy was a spread quarterback, ye shotgun. I mean, 291 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 1: I would like to ask him maybe he remembers, like 292 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: how many times were you under center? Bab I don't 293 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: think he was. I think I remember. Don't quote me 294 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: on this body. Believe if somebody wants to dig up 295 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: the stat and tweeted at me. I think I remember 296 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: seeing he was never, like, never under center. I think 297 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:50,599 Speaker 1: they were one of those teams that did Chuck a 298 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: Neil downs. Yeah, And to be fair, neither was Mac 299 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: really at Alabama more than Bailey Zappy. But Mac was 300 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 1: not an under center quarter really just down on the 301 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: goal line. That was pretty much it, right, So what 302 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: I felt was interesting, And this is I'm gonna say 303 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: something positive about Bailey Zappy for everybody out there. The 304 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: under center play action is not something he's done before 305 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: until he got to the NFL. And those were the 306 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: two best throws that he made down the field, right 307 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: the Parker touchdown in the Agalore one on basically the 308 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: same route. Later on in the game, he makes those 309 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: two throws on under center play action, and I was 310 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: really surprised at the footwork, the timing, the rhythm on 311 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: those throws where I was all so syncd up. And 312 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: the fact is that that's probably the first time other 313 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: than preseason obviously, that he's really done that in a game, 314 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: because he certainly didn't do it at Western Kentucky. So 315 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: I guess the way I want to spend this forward 316 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: is do we expect to see more of that Western 317 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: Kentucky style offense come out a little bit, because the 318 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: Patriots certainly did that with Mac Jones. Mack was not 319 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: under center a lot in the first three games of 320 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: the season. He was a lot of shotgun concepts. So 321 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: do we see them spread the field more and get 322 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: into that Western Kentucky style offense. Obviously he's not going 323 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: to throw for five hundred yards a game like he 324 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: did in college, but that's his bread and butter, that's 325 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: Bailey's app Well, I will add this and this is 326 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: where they can kind of marry it to some of 327 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: what they do. They're specific spread like the kind they 328 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: ran in Western Kentucky. And even going back to when 329 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: he was at Houston Baptist, was heavily, heavily, heavily focused 330 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: on the slot receiver position. His slot actually so God 331 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: named Jared Stearns, who was with Tampa in camp and 332 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: is now a free agent. And I'll be honest, I'm 333 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: surprised Brady didn't turn this kid into into a you know, automatic, 334 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: but was with him at at Houston Baptist, transferred with 335 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: in Western Kentucky. Jared Stearns last year with Bailey Zappy 336 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: in fourteen games, one hundred and fifty catches, nineteen hundred yards, 337 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: seventeen touchdowns against the seventeenth ranked defense in the country 338 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: app State. Last year in the Bowl game, he had 339 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty three yards at halftime. The point 340 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: the reason I bring this up, I know people want 341 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: me to say the Patriots should sign Jared Stearns. That 342 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: won't go that far. But the slot receiver is a 343 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: huge part of Bailey Zappy's game, just just being able 344 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: to roll on that slot receiver. So it's been two 345 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: weeks since we've seen Jacoby Myers. I know he had 346 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: said last week he thought he might play against the Packers. 347 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: He ultimately didn't, but I'll call that an encouraging sign. 348 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: If they have Jacoby Myers in this game, that's huge 349 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: because I would bet it would make Bailey Zappy a 350 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: lot more comfortable. They really didn't use that slot role 351 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: against the Packers right there, heavy personnel grouping six oz line, 352 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: that's throwing the guys on the boundary. Right If they 353 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: have Jacoby Myers back and they can run their their 354 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: slot rowtry in those packages, I think that's gonna make 355 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: Bailey Zappy feel a lot more comfortable, a lot more 356 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: at home, and you talk about, you know what's going 357 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: to be different this week versus the Packers. I think 358 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: that could be a big change for him. Yeah. Not 359 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: a good line secondary pass defense either, so maybe he 360 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: has some opportunities there before we take some calls. I 361 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: love that I can say that now I want to 362 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: take the calls. We're gonna take the calls. In a second, 363 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: we gotta talk about Taekwon. Okay, So Taekwon Thornton was 364 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: back at practice today for the Patriots wearing a gray hoodie. 365 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: So I don't know what that was about. So I 366 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: guess we'll see it's cold. Yeah, they do technically have 367 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: to put him on the wire at some point that 368 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: he's back in practicing, so we'll see if that becomes 369 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: official later this afternoon. But I think then interesting question 370 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: about Tai Kwon is not necessarily when does he come back? 371 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 1: When does he's gonna come back. We don't know if 372 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: it's gonna be this week, but he's gonna come back. 373 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: The logjam at wide receiver because Kendrick Bourne's already not 374 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: getting as much playing time as he probably deserves, and 375 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: what everybody wants to see. Well, Jordan humphreys role is 376 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: pretty solidified now as that blocking wide receiver and that 377 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: early down package, So you almost already have a logjam 378 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: at wide receiver. So where does Taekwon Thornton fit into 379 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: this entire puzzle? Because you don't draft a guy that 380 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: high and then sit him on the bench, even the Patriots. 381 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: So all right, you're ready for my first Like people 382 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 1: who listen to the show, they know I do this. 383 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: We're gonna put the tinfoil hats on here for a second. 384 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a kind of an out of 385 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: the box idea. You tell me what you think. Johnny 386 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: Smith's banged up yep, Hunter Henry's production has been here 387 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: and there. Man, They clearly like Little Jordan is kind 388 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: of a hybrid tight end. Time for ten personnel talking 389 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: some ten is it time for ten personnel? You could 390 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: definitely work. I think Little Jordan Humphrey is with Lil 391 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: Jordan Humphrey on the field. Of course, of course, he's 392 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: more of like a detached tight end. Right, You're not 393 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: gonna put his hand in the dirt and have him 394 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: block in. I'm not saying you're you're running. This is 395 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: your base, But you know it's a passion two minute offense, 396 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: right two minute offense. You got to get down the field. 397 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: You're not running the ball. Little Jordan Humphrey is your 398 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: tight end. Come out in ten? However, you want to 399 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: rotate those receivers, and again, within that, there'd still be 400 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: an odd man out, there'd still be some rotation. But 401 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: doesn't this the spot that Ross is at right now? 402 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: And look, maybe Tae Kwon doesn't come back for three 403 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: weeks and by then John Nu smiths healthy and Hunter 404 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: Henry gets it going. So this may all end up 405 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: being irrelevant. But just with what we have right now, 406 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: and I would find it a bit of a stretch 407 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: for Tae Kwon to actually play this week. But let's 408 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: just play this game. Doesn't this roster kind of scream 409 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: ten personnel what they have right now available? Yeah, it 410 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: would definitely seem that way too. In the preseason. I 411 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: just remember thinking in camping in the pre season, got 412 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: a lot of wide receivers on this team that they 413 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: want to get on the field. And I'm not just 414 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: saying the Patriots have some. You know, this is not 415 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: the Randy Mosso seven Westwelker Patriots like they have these 416 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: great wide receivers necessarily in terms of top end talent, 417 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 1: but they have a lot of depth at that position. 418 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: They have a lot of guys that can play NFL snaps. 419 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: And with Taekwon, I think the other interesting thing to 420 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: me is he's got the shoulder. So even if he's 421 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: just going out there and stretching the field and he's 422 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: not necessarily demanding targets right off the bat, I would 423 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: love to see him get on the field sum on 424 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: first down because I think him and Nelly on the 425 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: field together is about as fast as the Patriots of 426 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: ben probably since they had Brandon Cooks, even Bourne out 427 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: there too. That's a fast that's not just like Patriots fast. 428 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: That's a pretty fast group. Yeah, but it's fast, right, 429 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: And I think that that's the difference, is what I last. Yeah, absolutely, 430 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: And I think that's the biggest difference that when we 431 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: saw them out there together, Agalore and Thornton out in 432 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,479 Speaker 1: camp together, was the stress that that puts on the 433 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: defense down the field a lot more than let's say 434 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: when it's Parker and Agalore and some of these play 435 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: action concepts that they're trying to run that they did 436 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: hit in the Green Bay game, they're trying to get 437 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: that deep post to take the safety right. They want 438 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 1: two guys on the deep post and they want to 439 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: fill in with the crosser underneath, and Aglare has been 440 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: getting open on the crosser. It's been an effective route 441 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: for him so far this year. So Tae Kwon, even 442 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: if he's out there just taking the top off at 443 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: the four two eight, that to me is at least 444 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: a little bit more of a vertical stretch of the defense. 445 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: And Davante Parker, Now, the problem is is that they 446 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: haven't really wanted to take Davanta Parker off the field. 447 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: You know, he's been playing the most snaps out of 448 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: anybody on that group. So do they give some of 449 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: those snaps and that what is really their X role? 450 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean, Parker's playing X and Aglare's playing Z on 451 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: a lot of those two wide receiver roles, two wide 452 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: receiver packages, and I guess little Jordan, you know, is 453 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: what he is, right, He's kind of the f or 454 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: the middle ground there. So they're getting those players down 455 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: the field, and I think they would actually be more 456 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: effective play action if Tae Kwon was out there as well. 457 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: I would also love to see. Maybe they don't give 458 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: him the football yet because he got hurt the last 459 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: time he tried to carry the ball. But some of 460 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: the horizontal stretch stuff that you see from other teams, 461 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: jet sweeps and grat even if it's just as a dummy, right, 462 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,239 Speaker 1: even if he's just a ghost motion is what they 463 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: would call it, you know, where he's not actually gonna 464 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: get the ball. It's just window dressing, right. Those types 465 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: of things can really impact the defense as well. So 466 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: I think his speed is worth putting on the field 467 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: in some way shape or for him, even if it's 468 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: just fifteen to twenty snaps a game, I think it 469 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: would make a big difference. I'd agree with that. On 470 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: the Parker thing, though, he's played a lot ninety two 471 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: percent usage rate. That's the highest far and away the 472 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: highest among all the receivers. Nelson Aglore's next, it's sixty 473 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: two percent. Nobody else over fifty percent at that position. Actually, 474 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: Lajorde Humphries third, he's out well, Jacoby's missed two games, 475 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: but Ladrone Humphrey's out snapping Myers right now. They did 476 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: take Parker off the field at the end of that 477 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh game. In the second half. He didn't play a ton, 478 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: so they're not adverse to it. I wonder what when 479 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: Jacobe comes back. I wonder what happens, because he was 480 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: really one hundred percent guy for them before you get hurt. Yeah, 481 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: so one of those guys essentially has to come off 482 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: the field at some point to get anybody else on. 483 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: It's just gonna be interesting to see kind of how 484 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: they decide that. It's a really interesting position because you 485 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: already know Kendrick Bourne. I wouldn't say he's unhappy with 486 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: his role because I don't I want to put words 487 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: in his mouth, but you can already he already deserves 488 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: to play more, right, And you're you're adding another one 489 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: that they're better when he's on the field. They are 490 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: at least throwing the ball, they are, but better when 491 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: he's also on the field an obvious passing situations. So 492 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: they're throwing the ball regardless most of the time. But 493 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: I will say in Green Bay, he was on the 494 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: field a lot on that scoring drive that they had 495 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: with Bailey Zappy and they were in the ball, yeah, 496 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: with Kendrick Bourne. So this this idea that they have 497 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: to run the ball, they have to have a little 498 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: Jordan on the field to run the ball. Well, it 499 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: wasn't backed up on Sunday because they were able to 500 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: run the ball. Kendrick, Well, here's the thing. Born last 501 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: year fifty two percent usage right right, which is probably 502 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: about where he should be. It's wide receiver three. Maybe 503 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: I might put him a little higher, but this year 504 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: he's at twenty eight percent. This year it's closer to 505 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: forty when you take out that first game. But he 506 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: can play more and they can be successful. We know 507 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: because that was the case last year. I get that 508 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: there's new depth ahead of him in DeVante Parker and 509 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: will Thornton be ahead him. We're going to find out 510 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: here at some point, probably in the next three weeks. 511 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: But there is room for him to play more and 512 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: it not be too much, right, Yeah, it just it. 513 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: You're trying to fill in that gap while also getting 514 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: Nelson Agloor on the field more because he's been excellent. 515 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: And then on top of that, you're gonna add Taekwon 516 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: Thornton to this mix. You gotta find more snaps somewhere. 517 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: And again I go back to that point of ten 518 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: personnel and oh, let's not forget by the way, we 519 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: think at some point time Montgomery's gonna be back. They 520 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: could have said chilly in theory. In theory, Evan go, 521 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: I don't even what would you call it? Double zero? 522 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: Double zero? They could essentially go double zero here in 523 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: the near future. Yeah, it would basically be. It would 524 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: sort of be eleven because because Montgomery's a slash and 525 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: Humphreys a slash, right, but they could really go double 526 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: zero here when they get fully healthy. Well, it's very 527 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: exciting to see Taekwon back out there. Yes, in training 528 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: camp in the preseason, his route running ability was a 529 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: lot better than what I expected it to be. At 530 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: the top of the route. I think you can actually 531 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: separate at the top of the route, And isn't just 532 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 1: a burner and run away from the defense type of guy. 533 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: But having that kind of speed out there, I think 534 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: is a big difference for them. All Right, call screens 535 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: lighting up. We got three people already on hold show 536 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: number one, So let's get to some of these callers. 537 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: Russell in Walpole, I got to figure out this this 538 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: how to work this thing. Oh boy, here we go, 539 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,479 Speaker 1: Russell and Walpole. You're on the air. What do you got, guys, 540 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: It's good to speak to you. I met you in 541 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: person over the summer in the media tent. How you 542 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: guys doing. I want to congratulate you on your show. 543 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. So the reason why I was 544 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: calling is that, first of all, it's great that you 545 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: guys are doing this show. I have a theory. And again, 546 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: when when I met you guys, when we were talking 547 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: about the Running Game, do you guys now see the 548 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: method to the madness that we watched over the summer 549 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: as being a compliment to the power Running Game? And 550 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: also on the comment on Billy Zappy, do you think 551 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: partially the reason why they're going to this offense is 552 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: to make it more about the system rather than the quarterback. Interesting? 553 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: All right, thanks for us, We appreciate it and we'll 554 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: see you soon. Rus Goldmans. Yes, So the first question 555 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: what was I got stuck on the Zappy question? What 556 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: was the first question? It was if we see the 557 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: method to the madness with the Running Game? So it's 558 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: what I think. It's been interesting. And I put this 559 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: out on Twitter yesterday, Alex, and of course I knew 560 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: it was going to have some people that really disagree 561 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: with me. But I've actually been on the whole pretty 562 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: impressed with Matt Patricia. To be honest with you, I 563 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: think maybe that's a relative to expectation, Like we all 564 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: expected him to crash and burn, right, and it hasn't 565 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: been there. Dan Campbell loves what he's doing. I don't 566 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: know if you saw that. Well. I think what he's 567 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: doing is is pretty good, honestly. And I think the 568 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: number one thing that I have been the most impressed 569 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: with Matt Patricia is the adjustments that they've made in 570 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: the running game. They saw in training camp and I 571 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: know they ran some outside zone against Green Bay and 572 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: they were successful with it, but they saw in training 573 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: camp that the outside zone bootleg series that they were 574 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: trying to install, the Shanahan stuff that they were trying 575 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: to install, they saw that it wasn't working, that they 576 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: weren't getting the outside zone blocked, and they weren't getting 577 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: the bootleg going. It just wasn't a package that was 578 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: working for them, so they pivoted. They haven't really run 579 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: a ton of it until Green Bay. They haven't really 580 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: run a ton of it. They've been a more inside 581 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: zone duo and then outside tosses those types of plays instead, right, 582 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: And I've been really impressed with the way that they 583 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: have recognized some of those flaws and quickly pivoted. I 584 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: think as much as people are maybe on the fence 585 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: about the little Jordan Humphrey's usage relative to Kendrick Bourne, 586 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: I think that that's been another interesting pivot for them 587 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: as well, where they were seeing, Okay, the two tight 588 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: ends are not blocking the way that we'd want in 589 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: twelve personnel, Like, we're not running the football very successfully 590 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,719 Speaker 1: out of twelve. Let's try out little Jordan here, and 591 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: that has been successful as well. So the method to 592 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: the madness to me in the run game is that 593 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: they kind of dished it. Yeah, to be honest with you, 594 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: they kind of ditched it. And this was a question 595 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: coming in. It was or at least over the summer. Remember, 596 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: we kept doing well, Where's the point of no return? 597 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: Where's the cut off? At what point do they just decide, Hey, 598 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: we can't run this, it's not gonna work, We're not 599 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: gonna do it. Week two, I think is probably what 600 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: it was. They did run in a decent amount in 601 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: week one. I feel like it's gone significantly down since then. Yeah, No, 602 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: they've gotten back to their bread and butter and I 603 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: love it. I mean the question now is will could 604 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: they have used that time in camp to maybe work 605 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: on something else, get into the extension of the preseason 606 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: stuff that Bill likes to talk about. But they've gotten 607 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: back to your bread and butter and it's worked. I 608 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: do want to give you the quote from Dan Campbell 609 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: and Matty Patrician. I'll go for it. I thought this 610 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: was interesting this morning. So he was asked about Patricia 611 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: specifically as a play caller. And remember this is the 612 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: guy that was hired to replace Matt Patrician Detroit and 613 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: full disclosure, I'm a big Dan Campbell fan. I know 614 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: you guys were debating it before the Lieut. It's better 615 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: and better and better. They're attacking their opponents, they're putting 616 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: together good game plans, they're using their roster. Well, he's 617 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: doing a good job. He really is. Yeah, I think 618 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: Dan Campbell. I agree with Dan Campbell. He's he's laying 619 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: it on a little strong, but yeah, he really is. 620 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: At the end is a bit like, all right, we 621 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: get it, dude. You think he's doing a good job 622 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: because all right, we believe that in there though, because 623 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: people don't believe him, right and I think that Patricia 624 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: has taken so much flak, and really all of it 625 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: started in training camp, and i'll, i'll, i'll raise a hand, 626 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: like I think a lot of us the media that 627 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: we're reporting on camp every single day, we were just 628 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: reporting what we were seeing. Yeah, and what we were 629 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: seeing was a disaster. But it hasn't been a disaster 630 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,239 Speaker 1: so far in the regular season. And as much as 631 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: you might go back and say, oh, well, they could 632 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: have been working on different things of outside zone, wasn't working. 633 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: And that's sort of the number one rushing team in 634 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: the league, right, Yeah, they're one of the best rushing 635 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,719 Speaker 1: teams in the league. They're number one, and success rate 636 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: their number one in dv OA. They're one of the 637 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: best rushing teams in the league. So what they are 638 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: doing from a run game perspective is working. And I 639 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: think in a lot of ways, I kind of had 640 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: this take a few weeks ago, but I still think 641 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: it holds true. Is the game plans, I think I've 642 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: been relatively successful as well. Even against Miami, the opening 643 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: script worked right, they marched right down the field. I 644 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: think a big reason why is because Patricia's been able 645 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: to reverse engineer the defense. Right, he's been able to say, Okay, 646 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: this is how they fitted up front in the run game, 647 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: this is how they play in the back end, and 648 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: these are the concepts that work against those types of things. 649 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: Now they're spamming the same place, right, like they run 650 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,239 Speaker 1: in a very limit It did playbook right, and that 651 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: needs that is going to have to change. It can't 652 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: do that into November and December. True, but the plays 653 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: that they're running, they're picking for a reason, right, Like 654 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: it's it's there is a method to that madness. Now 655 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: on the Zappy thing, I definitely think that I don't 656 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: know about the quarterback friendly versus not quarterback friendly offense. 657 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: I understand what Russ was getting at with Brady and 658 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: how complex that was. I definitely think and this is 659 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: more about Mac than Zappy, But I think drafting Zappy 660 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: fits it right. They're becoming a much more spread offense, right, 661 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: There's no more fullback. They're spreading the field a lot more. 662 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: And this is a different style of offense from that perspective, 663 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: and it fits what Mac did at Alabama, it fits 664 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: what Zappi did at Western Kentucky. So they're building a 665 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: scheme really around Mac yeah, and Zappy as the backup. 666 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: But they're building a scheme that fits what Mac did 667 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: in college. Right there. They are, he talked about a 668 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: few weeks so ago before he got hurt, you know, 669 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: putting in some RPOs a lot more shotgun this year 670 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: than what we've seen in the past, and they are 671 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: a different style offense from that perspective. So they're definitely 672 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: building an offense for Mac Jones and maybe four the 673 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: quarterbacks Dari say that are coming up right, like, you know, 674 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that are going to be available to them 675 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,239 Speaker 1: in the draft, even to back up Mac Jones are 676 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: running a lot more of these shotgun, heavy spread formation 677 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: type of stuff. I think beyond that too. You almost 678 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: had it or I mean, you're not wrong, but I 679 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: would add to that as well. Almost had it. Well, no, 680 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: because we me and you have I guess I should. 681 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,479 Speaker 1: When I say we, I mean me and you. It 682 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: was on a different show, but everybody knows. Everybody knows 683 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: likes when I pushed back on oh, because you never 684 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: do that. How many times have me and you talked 685 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: about this? Why can't they draft any receivers? Why can't 686 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: they find any receivers? The college game has departed so 687 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: far from what they did, not what they do what 688 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: they did that when you were asking these receivers to 689 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: come in here and learn the offense, you're almost asking 690 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: them to learn a new position, a new sport. It's 691 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: not just about the quarterbacks. This offense is going to 692 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: be a much easier adjustment for these receivers coming in, 693 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: so they're not handcuffed when saying, yeah, this guy's really talented, 694 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: but realistically he's not going to be able to do 695 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: what we ask him to do because that role simply 696 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: doesn't exist in their offense, or the role they want 697 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: doesn't exist in college. They got to find guys who 698 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: don't quite fit the mold and try to change them. 699 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: So it can be about the quarterback. Sure, I mean 700 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: I think that's some of it, but to me, it's 701 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: about the whole thing. There's there's so many more wide 702 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: receivers now that are realistically fits for them with minimal 703 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: adjustment compared to even what two or three years ago. Right, 704 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: you hate to put it all on Tai Kuon obviously, 705 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: but he's a nice first test. Well, he's Yeah, he's 706 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: the first guy that we're really going to see how 707 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: this works. And I think, you know, tremendous, tremendously tremendously 708 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: physically talented guy. So in terms of where they're starting from, 709 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: he's a good first guy to test it. Like you said, 710 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to be like, well, Taku's kind of 711 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: decide either Tai Kwon hits and they figured the wide 712 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: receiver thing out forever, or they'll never find a wide 713 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: receiver again. That it's not it, But Tai Kwan's kind 714 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: of the first guy taken under this new, uh new 715 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: system for lack of a better term. Yeah, I mean, 716 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,479 Speaker 1: obviously it's had its growing pains, and the turnovers are 717 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: probably the biggest issue that we've seen. But for something 718 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: for people like us, this is fun. Like it's fun 719 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: that they have a new offense. It's fun that there's 720 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: different les. What this show's all about? Man? Yeah, all right, 721 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: So a couple more callers here, Patty, you're on the air. 722 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: What's up, Patty? What is going on? Guys? Hey, it's 723 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: pardon the parenthetical. I do have a question, but I 724 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: gotta say that, like my two main sources of Patriots 725 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: information came from Patriots and of course dot com, mainly 726 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: from dot com, and I just I can't believe that 727 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: you guys have your show on your own show on 728 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: Patriots dot Com. It's it's it's it's awesome, man, Thank you, 729 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: thank you. Um So, I'm glad you're talking wide receivers. 730 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: I had a question regarding Jacobe Meyers and pardon my 731 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: my fan noise in the background, but going forward, I 732 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: know he's a free agent after the season. Uh, I 733 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: just want to know. I love the guy. He seems 734 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: like a great guy. He gets open, he catches the ball, 735 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: but there's really nothing, there's no yack with him, and 736 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: you see them sort of maybe moving on from him 737 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: after this year and possibly getting that one guy sort 738 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: of like the Edelman that Amandola who weren't fast guys, 739 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: but to create after they stopped the ball. Yeah, it's 740 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: a good question, Patty, thanks for calling in. We've talked 741 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: about this one a lot. Yeah, And I think the 742 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: biggest thing when you look at the real quick here 743 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: before we do that, because he was talking about our 744 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: previous show and all that, Yes, can we can we 745 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: let people in on a little, you know, a little 746 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: how the sausage is made here. We did that whole 747 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: show back in July about you know, you got this 748 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: great job and this is just a result of it, 749 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: and we'd love to still work together, but we can't 750 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: do it. If it ever comes up again, we'd love 751 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: to have the opportunity if it ever present itself, if this, 752 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: if that would ever I think we were already planning 753 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: this at that point. Oh yeah, we knew, So we knew. 754 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: I just want people to know that we couldn't say it, 755 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,959 Speaker 1: but we knew. Yes, it was definitely on the top 756 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: of my list and the Boss Deuces list as well, 757 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: so we were we were definitely trying to make this happen. 758 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: But jakobeers, this is a great question. I'm excited for this. 759 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: So last year, and I'm going off of last year 760 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: because he's been hurt, and it's such a small sample 761 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: size of this year. So last year in terms of 762 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: yards after catch per reception among full time kind of 763 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: wide receiver ones, if he had the third lowest output 764 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: at a thirty five at of thirty eight guys that 765 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: you could consider high target, high volume guys. Let me 766 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: ask you something before you move on. If you remember this, yes, 767 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: we're the two guys blow him slot guys or deep threats. 768 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: It's a good question, because deep threats sometimes don't have 769 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: a ton of yak either. But that's just because you know, 770 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: they catch the ball down the field, they score, or 771 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: they fall down. So, right, it's so tough because he's 772 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: mister consistent, he's mister reliable. He's does nothing wrong. Right, 773 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: he does absolutely nothing wrong. He gets open, he's in 774 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: the right places, he catches the football very well, he 775 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: has very few drops. He does everything right. But there's 776 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: just no like he's like Patty said, there's no yak. 777 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: He's not explosive. There's no explosive element to his game. 778 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: And in this offense where they are thirsting for big plays, 779 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: that's one area that if you could get that back 780 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: where Edelman was not, you know, Welker was. Actually his 781 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 1: numbers were better after the catch and Edelman's. But Edelman's 782 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: a four or five yak, a perception guy four or 783 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: five yard. Welker's like five or six. Right, it's stupid. 784 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 1: Those two guys were constantly getting yards after the catch. 785 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that Jacoby doesn't have a role 786 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: on the team moving forward, or he doesn't get resigned. 787 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: Maybe his role is more like that Amndola role, Right, 788 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: where he's like the second slot guy, right and there's 789 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: a more dynamic slot guy ahead of him. But we've 790 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,479 Speaker 1: talked about it, and I think it's a very fair 791 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: and valid point to bring up because I think that 792 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: Jacoby is one of those guys, like I just said, 793 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: that does everything correct that you don't want to bash on, 794 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: like you don't want to call I'm a bad player 795 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: because he's not a bad player. He's a good player, 796 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: and he does his job and he's always right and 797 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 1: it never seems like he never makes any mistakes. But 798 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,760 Speaker 1: they could use a more dynamic playmaker out of the spot, 799 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: especially with Mac when that's going to be a big 800 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: part of their offense. Well, so here's what I'd bring 801 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: up though, in that it's not just the Patriots part 802 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,919 Speaker 1: of the equation. Would they bring Jacoby Myers back. He's 803 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 1: gonna get paid if he hits the open market right now, 804 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: he's hurted. It definitely is hurting his payday. It's not great. 805 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: But if he only misses two games, I think you know, 806 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: teams look around that last year Jacobe Myers eighty three catches, 807 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,760 Speaker 1: eight hundred and sixty six yards, two touchdowns, ten yards 808 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: per catch. Yeah, I'm gonna give you another player. You 809 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: tell me if this player should make more or less 810 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: seventy seven catches, nine hundred eighty two yards, five touchdowns, 811 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: twelve point eight yards per catch, also kind of a 812 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: slot receiver. I'd say that player probably should make a 813 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: little bit more money because of the touch down production. 814 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: But imp comparable. That's Christian Kirk. Yeah, so are the 815 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: Patriots gonna shell out that kind of money for Jacoby Myers, 816 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: whether they think he's the fit or not. And then 817 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 1: I'll add a layer to this. And here's where this 818 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: is really the show that we do. When I add 819 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: this layer, it's a really good year for slot receivers 820 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: in the draft. It's a really last year was all 821 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,399 Speaker 1: about X receivers, all about downfield guys. You Tai Kwan 822 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: or at least hybrids, be a Tae Kwon Thornton Jamison, 823 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,320 Speaker 1: who's just a time I have George Jamison, Williams, George Pickens, 824 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: all these guys that were just you know, either big 825 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: body like big body go up and get it receivers 826 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,240 Speaker 1: or burners. There's some of those guys in this draft. 827 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: I like Jordan Addison. I do at USC but this 828 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: is a big slot receiver draft Charlie Jones, Aias Smith 829 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: that Texas A and M who just got hurt could 830 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: be a potential value pick. If the Patriots look at 831 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: this forget oh Myers, yak whatever, even if they love 832 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 1: Jacobe Myers, are they gonna pay him? What did Kirk 833 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,439 Speaker 1: get like eighteen million? Yeah? I mean that was also 834 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: a contract that around the rest of the league. A 835 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: lot of teams were like, the Jaguars gave Christian Kirk 836 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: what but right? So, I mean it all takes his 837 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: one team. But now and now it's been given. So 838 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: now that's if you're an agent, that's the expectation. Will 839 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: I don't care if you think there was a lot 840 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,280 Speaker 1: of mad agents and teams because that agents were probably 841 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: pretty happy team Probably agents were mixed because players like 842 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,879 Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers I'm not saying he is, I'm just saying 843 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,240 Speaker 1: using him as an example, might look at that Christian 844 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: Kirk contract and say, this is what I should get. 845 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: But when the market corrects itself, they're not gonna get it. 846 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: Is it Does the market ever really correct itself? In 847 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: this context, it does takes his one team and the 848 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: Jaguars over that one team. Last year. You don't think 849 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: there's one team that's gonna look at Jacoby Myers and 850 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 1: say maybe not even eighteen fifteen, sixteen million. Are the 851 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: Patriots gonna give Jacoby Myers that kind of money or 852 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,760 Speaker 1: are they gonna look at what's coming to the draft. 853 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 1: Are they gonna look at maybe some of these other 854 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,879 Speaker 1: guys on the roster they have, all these receivers, even 855 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: guys on the practice squad that they have that they like. 856 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,879 Speaker 1: Lynn Bowden makes like seems like a guy that they 857 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: were really like. No, not say he's gonna be the 858 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: next Jacobe Myers, but are they gonna look at maybe 859 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,240 Speaker 1: what's at their disposal and say, you know what, Jacoby, thanks, 860 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: it's been great, but you deserve you know, if you 861 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: want to get we'll give you what we'll give you. 862 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: But if you want to go get paid, go get paid. 863 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: We're not going to stop you. But that's that's on 864 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: somebody else. I think what hurts him, and I think 865 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: to a degree, that's also hurt jac Jackson who got paid. 866 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: But let's face it, it wasn't the twenty million dollars 867 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: years that he wanted. When you're a UDFA coming in 868 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: like Christian Kerr is the second round pick, right, He's 869 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: he was a highly touted prospect coming into the NFL, 870 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of teams are going to 871 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: look at Jakobe Myers and think maybe a couple of things. One, 872 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: is he a product in New England? Right? Slot receivers 873 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: in New England, it's a high volumes position. We know that, 874 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: we know that, right. I think in the past teams 875 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,760 Speaker 1: might do that. But you look at what he's done. 876 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: It's been you know, multiple quarterbacks, multiple offensive systems, multiple 877 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: offensive coordinators, and he's produced through it. So is he 878 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 1: a product of England? Yes, But I look at him 879 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: and I don't I wouldn't think twice that how's this 880 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,799 Speaker 1: guy going to adjust to a new setting. He's kind 881 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 1: of done that here, not full on, but he's done 882 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: a lot of those things that you do when you 883 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,320 Speaker 1: join a new team. I think. I think that was 884 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,399 Speaker 1: a big thing with JC Jackson was he had Bill 885 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 1: Belichick coaching him. He was with Stephon Gilmour for most 886 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,919 Speaker 1: of his career, Devin mccordy behind him. What's he gonna 887 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,240 Speaker 1: look like when he's in a different setting. I don't 888 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: worry about that as much with Jacoby Myers because of 889 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: the circumstances in which he's done what he's done over 890 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,800 Speaker 1: the last Okay, so here's the other issue, right that 891 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 1: I think also counts still as much as I think 892 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 1: it's a little bit silly that teams are going to 893 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: go back to like the forty time at his pro 894 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,839 Speaker 1: day and things like that, No, you're but you're right, 895 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: they will. That's they will. So the fact that he 896 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 1: ran slow in the forty is not a dynamic Yat guy, 897 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: as we just broke down, and it has not really 898 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: been an overly explosive player. I still think that a 899 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: lot of those things will also still be held against 900 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: him in the open market. For instance, his production. Now, 901 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: Nelson Agilore had the touchdowns and his last year with 902 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: the Raiders, I think his nine tds or ATDs or 903 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: something like that, but his production in terms of catches, 904 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: yards and stuff like that wasn't that much worse than 905 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: Nelson Aglare's when he hit free agency. But Nelson aglar 906 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: ran a four for two. He was a second round pick. 907 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 1: He went to usc Sure, right, you know, a lot 908 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 1: a lot of big things happening there. So I just wonder, hey, Hey, 909 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 1: how much that Kobe Meyers completed more passes than Christian 910 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 1: Kirk They both completed passes. It all right, one more 911 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: caller then I want to talk about the lines, right, Tyler? 912 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,399 Speaker 1: What's up? How you doing? Hey? Can you hear me? Yeah? 913 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: We got you. What's up? Guys? I just wanted to 914 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: start off by saying, congrats on the show. I'm a 915 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 1: big Patriots Unfiltered fan. Excited to listen to you as well. 916 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I had two questions, and this 917 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 1: is in regards to the cornerbacks. I know they touched 918 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: on it on Patriots Unfiltered. Um, I just wanted to 919 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: get your take on what you guys would like to 920 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: see moving forward. I know Jack Jones had a good game, 921 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 1: it's only one good game. They had talked about, you know, 922 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 1: maybe leaving him on the outside, putting um, you know, 923 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,839 Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones in the slot. My question with that as 924 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: well is what about your goal preppers. I know he 925 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: played a little bit of everything as a hybrid position. 926 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 1: Is he is you know a spot for a slot? 927 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 1: Would you put him outside? I mean, what are your 928 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: guys thoughts on that? Got it? Yeah, that's a good question. 929 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: Tyler thanks for calling in. I think the biggest thing 930 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: with Jack is he's a boomer bus player right now, right, 931 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 1: He's he's an aggressive rookie. Yet, yeah he's And I'm 932 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: not saying that as a bad thing, but I do 933 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 1: think it's it's relevant because this comes back to sort 934 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 1: of like the Bailey Zappy thing where it's like, once 935 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: you go back and watch that film and the coaches 936 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 1: make all the corrections that are probably a lot more 937 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: than even I can point out, right, is once you 938 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 1: go back and make all the corrections of what everybody 939 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:51,080 Speaker 1: did wrong, how many true plus plays does a player 940 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: have versus minus plays? Right? I think that's the way 941 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: that they look at it. And with a guy like 942 00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: Jack Jones, there was some real impact. Plus is like 943 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 1: a you know, a fumble recovery. Forced fumble and recovery 944 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,799 Speaker 1: is a huge play. A pick six is obviously a 945 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,719 Speaker 1: huge play. But he also busted a coverage late in 946 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,280 Speaker 1: the game that would have been a game winning touchdown 947 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 1: if Aaron Rodgers wasn't under pressure and couldn't get the 948 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,880 Speaker 1: ball to Alan Lazard down the field. So these are 949 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 1: the things that you have to weigh. Now. With that 950 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: being said, their most talented cornerback group is definitely sending 951 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: Miles Briant to the bench and putting Jack Jones and 952 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones and Jalen Mills together, Like there's no question 953 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: that those three guys are definitely the most talented pure 954 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 1: cover corners that they have. And on top of that, 955 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,400 Speaker 1: I would also add team needs a little bit of 956 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,880 Speaker 1: that turnover ability, right Like, I mean, they need a 957 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 1: little bit of that playmaking ability, And Adrian Phillips said 958 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,319 Speaker 1: that to us on Monday. It's just another playmaker in 959 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: our defense and they need it. They definitely need players 960 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: like that, so it's hard to go away from that. 961 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,280 Speaker 1: The thing I would say, though, is when they're really 962 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: actually first, let me talk about the Jabrill Peppers thing, 963 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: because it's an interesting comment. It's an interesting question. I 964 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: think at this point, you know he's coming back from 965 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: that torn ACL I still think you see that kind 966 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,760 Speaker 1: of a little bit. He's more of a hybrid safety 967 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,440 Speaker 1: linebacker than he is a safety corner. Maybe in the 968 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: right matchup, you could put him in the slot, like 969 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: if they were to face of Jacobe Meyers type of player, 970 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,799 Speaker 1: I could see it, But I'm not sure that he's 971 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,920 Speaker 1: a corner right now. Again, I still think he's a 972 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 1: safety linebacker. When you talk about the corners though, and 973 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: you're right, I think their most talented group is And 974 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,319 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get all mixed up here because You've got 975 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 1: all these these Jones and first names to start with Jay, 976 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 1: with Jalen Mills and anyway, you got Jonathan Jones, Jack Jones, 977 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 1: Jalen Mills, right, the three J's. It's like the Celtics 978 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: now those But the thing is, all right, are you 979 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,319 Speaker 1: gonna move Jonathan Jones back in the slot? I can't 980 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:44,800 Speaker 1: believe him saying this. A month ago, I thought it 981 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: was ridiculous. They're putting Jonathan Jones on the boundary. I 982 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 1: thought he'll probably be fine. But you have such a 983 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,359 Speaker 1: good slot corner white play with it. He's been really 984 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 1: good on the boundary, really good. The other thing is 985 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 1: when they're at their peak defensively, what they want to do, 986 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,279 Speaker 1: what they want to look like. You go back to 987 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 1: like the twenty eighteen twenty nineteen team, right they had 988 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,240 Speaker 1: Stephon gilm where they had jac Jackson. Those are Jason mccordy, 989 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 1: who played almost seventy percent of the snaps that year, defensively, 990 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,879 Speaker 1: because what they want to do is actually rotate three 991 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,239 Speaker 1: guys on the boundary. Keep those guys fresh, because if 992 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 1: the other wide receivers running two routes for every one 993 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: the other guy covers, you're gonna have fresher legs at 994 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 1: the end of the game. So what they have now, 995 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,080 Speaker 1: I think is a chance to do that with Mills, 996 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 1: John Jones and Jack Jones. Where Jack Jones, I think, 997 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,800 Speaker 1: is that third rotational guy if and when Jalen Mills 998 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,440 Speaker 1: gets healthy, and that allows you to do a couple things. One, 999 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,279 Speaker 1: like I said, you know, with the stamina, keeps guys fresh. 1000 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,920 Speaker 1: And Jack Jones, again, I love what I've seen from him. 1001 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: He's still very aggressive. I think players like that they 1002 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 1: need to sort of see more football just to understand 1003 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 1: what they're looking at. You expose them a little less, 1004 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 1: if that makes sense, right, you know, I think he 1005 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,840 Speaker 1: should probably be in the sixty sixty five percent range 1006 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: Jalen Mills and John Jones both, you know, eighty and 1007 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 1: above and then okay, so what are you doing the slot? 1008 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: Then if you're rotating those guys, there's a name you 1009 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 1: didn't mention eman that's Marcus Jones. Stepped up as a 1010 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,680 Speaker 1: punt returner big time, big time last week. That shouldn't 1011 00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: have anybody else for two. That should be his jobs. 1012 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,080 Speaker 1: That should be his job from here, and I under 1013 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,600 Speaker 1: I do sort of understand why they waited. It is 1014 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 1: different fielding punts in the NFL. I get that, but yeah, 1015 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,359 Speaker 1: they gave him a bigger role and he embraced it. 1016 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,240 Speaker 1: It's awesome. That's great. He did it a punt returner. 1017 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,160 Speaker 1: It might be time to see if he can do 1018 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,760 Speaker 1: it at slot corner as well, because you didn't draft 1019 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,320 Speaker 1: the guy and tremendous returner. I think it. Part of 1020 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: the reason he was a top one hundred pick is 1021 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 1: his return ability. But it's a good slot corner as well, 1022 00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: and he it's not easy to ball hawk from the slot, Like, 1023 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:37,960 Speaker 1: off the top of your head, can you think of 1024 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,919 Speaker 1: any ball hawks slot corners. It's pure slots, not a many. 1025 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 1: I mean, like the honey Badger is a slot to 1026 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 1: fass sort of, but it's it's not something you think of, right. 1027 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 1: You go back and watch Marcus Jones at Houston. He 1028 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: kind of ball hawks as a slot corners fun to watch, 1029 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,040 Speaker 1: so it might be time to get you know, he 1030 00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,960 Speaker 1: did it at punt returner, great, awesome, love it. Keep 1031 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: it now, Let's see if he can do it at 1032 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,439 Speaker 1: slock corner. I think that's where when you're talking about 1033 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,799 Speaker 1: Miles Bryant and what's going on in the slot, I 1034 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 1: look more to Jack Jones than taking one of the 1035 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,000 Speaker 1: guys they have on the boundary now and moving him inside, 1036 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,200 Speaker 1: because I think what they have on the boundary is working. 1037 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 1: I wouldn't touch it. It is a big week by 1038 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 1: the way Alman Ross Saint Brown right if he's healthy, 1039 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,160 Speaker 1: as if he's healthy, but if he's healthy, big week 1040 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: for the slock corner there. Yeah. So I think what's 1041 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,440 Speaker 1: interesting about it is so a lot of people I 1042 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 1: think ask and call and I'm sure you get it 1043 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,359 Speaker 1: in your replies all the time too, Like what does 1044 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,359 Speaker 1: the team see in Miles Bryant, right, because let's face it, 1045 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 1: on Sundays he does get burned every week at least once. 1046 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 1: Like I have to hate to pick on the guy, 1047 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,640 Speaker 1: but that's the cold hearted reality of it. What does 1048 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,279 Speaker 1: the team see in Miles Bryant? What I think they 1049 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,800 Speaker 1: see in Miles Bryant is a very high IQ player 1050 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,680 Speaker 1: that discipline can play. That's discipline. That's a good way 1051 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,640 Speaker 1: of putting it to that can play multiple roles in 1052 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 1: the back end. So what I see with Miles Bryant 1053 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,720 Speaker 1: is a really good early down nickel dB, right because 1054 00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,560 Speaker 1: he can play different spots in zone, which you're gonna 1055 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,520 Speaker 1: play more on early downs, especially nowadays. But when it 1056 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,600 Speaker 1: gets to third down and you're playing man, which they do, 1057 00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 1: that's basically the man down for them. Like they don't 1058 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,799 Speaker 1: play a ton of zone on third down. When they 1059 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,680 Speaker 1: get into that man down and that third down they 1060 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 1: got better guys they play in man than Miles Brian 1061 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,879 Speaker 1: at this point, right, Like they just have better cover 1062 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,800 Speaker 1: guys in man. So if Jack Jones, when Jalen Mills 1063 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 1: comes back and he goes back to a regular snap 1064 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,480 Speaker 1: usage for a rookie in his fifth career game, maybe 1065 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,840 Speaker 1: it's as simple as on third down, we roll a 1066 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 1: Jack because we're gonna play man, and he's better at 1067 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,840 Speaker 1: covering guys in man than Miles Bryan. But you're not 1068 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 1: putt But I kicked John Jones inside, which I think eventually, 1069 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,919 Speaker 1: once we get to the end of the year, that 1070 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,759 Speaker 1: that number, which with John Jones will even out some 1071 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,759 Speaker 1: because of an amount of receivers they're gonna play that. 1072 00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,560 Speaker 1: He are going to be sort of the number one 1073 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,040 Speaker 1: guy is that are going to play a lot of 1074 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,920 Speaker 1: snaps inside. Guys like Tyreek Hill, for example, play a 1075 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 1: lot of reps inside. So I think guys like that 1076 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,160 Speaker 1: eventually will even back up. But to me, it's a 1077 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 1: situational thing with Jack Jones where he is a much 1078 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,359 Speaker 1: better man coverage corner than Miles Bryant. So on third 1079 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,000 Speaker 1: and eight, when you want to go man to man, 1080 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,960 Speaker 1: I don't see any reason to have Miles Bryan on 1081 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,919 Speaker 1: the field anymore. And I think that takes one guy 1082 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,680 Speaker 1: that in man coverage struggles and I think that would 1083 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,040 Speaker 1: upgrade your entire past defense as a result. So I 1084 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,560 Speaker 1: think Miles Bryant's role on early downs is still something 1085 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,400 Speaker 1: that he can contribute to this team, but certainly on 1086 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,000 Speaker 1: third down and then when pure man coverage situations, I 1087 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,040 Speaker 1: would love to see them roll with the Joneses and 1088 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,680 Speaker 1: Jalen Mills. At that point, we gotta talk Lions. We're 1089 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,600 Speaker 1: running out of time, so let's turn over to the 1090 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,560 Speaker 1: Lions here for a second. Alex I will say, do 1091 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,400 Speaker 1: we even email? I thought we do. We might have 1092 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,719 Speaker 1: emails we'll figure that out. I was locked out, so 1093 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,239 Speaker 1: I gotta we gotta figure that out. I feel I 1094 00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,399 Speaker 1: feel bad if people are reaching out to I want 1095 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,239 Speaker 1: to be able to you know, they we're working out 1096 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,760 Speaker 1: the kinks, get for them, but we're get we're getting 1097 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,759 Speaker 1: the email pulled up. Oh okay, we do have a 1098 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,719 Speaker 1: few emails. Yeah yeah, some of you people emailing saying that, uh, 1099 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 1: you know, congratulations on the show. This person, Linda from 1100 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,520 Speaker 1: Boston called us Lennon and McCartney, Alex. That's that's pretty 1101 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,400 Speaker 1: hard play. That's pretty hard place right there. Okay, that 1102 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,080 Speaker 1: doesn't end well, doesn't some more zappy questions. We already 1103 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:27,520 Speaker 1: talked a lot about topic. I want to talk about 1104 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,319 Speaker 1: the Lions. So it's throwback UNI's week, which I know 1105 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,840 Speaker 1: is right up your alley. Right, So the pat Patriot 1106 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,680 Speaker 1: is back now. I think the cool thing about this 1107 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,359 Speaker 1: matchup is it's kind of a throwback matchup. Yeah, okay, 1108 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,680 Speaker 1: so you have two of the best run games in 1109 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 1: the NFL going up against one another. The Lions. Right now, 1110 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,640 Speaker 1: Alex are averaging five point nine yards per carry. Five 1111 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,480 Speaker 1: that's absurd. Yeah, five points. I get it's a four 1112 00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,960 Speaker 1: game sample size, but five point nine yards per your quarterback. 1113 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,680 Speaker 1: You kind of have no other option. Oh my god. 1114 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,239 Speaker 1: All right, we'll get to that in a second. But 1115 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,680 Speaker 1: the Lions are one of the best running teams, if 1116 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,360 Speaker 1: not the best running teams and running team in the league. 1117 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,239 Speaker 1: They are under center more than just then, more than 1118 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,880 Speaker 1: any other team besides I think it's Cleveland and Tennessee. 1119 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,120 Speaker 1: Those are the only other two teams that Baltimore under center. 1120 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,040 Speaker 1: Baltimore's gun. Yeah, sorry, I believe that those are the 1121 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,600 Speaker 1: only two teams that are under center more than the Lions. 1122 00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,640 Speaker 1: And they are a downhill gap scheme. They don't run 1123 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,640 Speaker 1: zone much zone. They are pulling guards and they are 1124 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,960 Speaker 1: coming at kneecaps baby Dan camp hops. And then you 1125 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,799 Speaker 1: got the Patriots who also run the ball a lot. Yeah, 1126 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,680 Speaker 1: so these are two of the more run ahead. Game 1127 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,359 Speaker 1: is going to be over in five minutes. And I 1128 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,200 Speaker 1: think first the two hundred rushing yards wins. That's that's 1129 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,480 Speaker 1: that's my thing. I love it. I lo can we 1130 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,480 Speaker 1: just do that? So I want to I want to 1131 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,719 Speaker 1: get philosophical on people for a second, because this is 1132 00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,560 Speaker 1: what we do around here as well. So this to 1133 00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:04,040 Speaker 1: me is a conversation about the bigger picture in the NFL. 1134 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,520 Speaker 1: So I looked us up this morning. Scoring is down 1135 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,440 Speaker 1: across the league, five year low. It was a ten 1136 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,640 Speaker 1: year low going into week four, but there are some 1137 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,320 Speaker 1: big like Seattle, Detroit, you know, kind of inflated the 1138 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,480 Speaker 1: stats a little bit, and now it's twenty seventeen was 1139 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,520 Speaker 1: slightly lower. So it's a five year low for scoring. 1140 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,800 Speaker 1: Love it. Passing efficiency way down, Okay, that's why scoring 1141 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,120 Speaker 1: is down. As a fan of defensi football, I love it. 1142 00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:34,759 Speaker 1: So passing efficiencies down, scoring is down, rushing is up right, 1143 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,359 Speaker 1: And I think what we're getting at is teams are 1144 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,440 Speaker 1: building their defense is both schematically and personnel wise to 1145 00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,319 Speaker 1: stop the pass. Right, So you have two exclusively just 1146 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,839 Speaker 1: stop the passive. So you have two hundred and twenty 1147 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:54,000 Speaker 1: pound linebackers. Everybody's playing fan geo defense. They're playing split safety. 1148 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,920 Speaker 1: They're rotating after now they're going like two two seven. 1149 00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:58,719 Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's the right math, yeah, 1150 00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:03,320 Speaker 1: two two seven. So they're literally playing in light boxes constantly. 1151 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,600 Speaker 1: But the big thing is is that too high safety. 1152 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,600 Speaker 1: Look right, we got quarters, you got covered two, you 1153 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,120 Speaker 1: got palms, which is like a match cover two, Right, 1154 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,160 Speaker 1: Those are all the things that you're seeing league wide. 1155 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,239 Speaker 1: Every defensive tape I throw on, you're seeing split safe 1156 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,360 Speaker 1: for shells. Go ahead, run the ball on us. We 1157 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,000 Speaker 1: dare you. You want run the two five? Run the 1158 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,680 Speaker 1: ball and guess what's happening. The team that's leading the 1159 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,120 Speaker 1: league and points per game, the Detroit Lions. Yes they're 1160 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,959 Speaker 1: one in three, but they're averaging thirty five per game. 1161 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,640 Speaker 1: They're also lasting the league in defensive scoring. They are there. 1162 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,080 Speaker 1: There's just points. They're just the Detroit points playing in shootouts. 1163 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,880 Speaker 1: Love it and they're doing it running the football. Yeah, 1164 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,080 Speaker 1: and I think that this is a really fun matchup 1165 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,800 Speaker 1: because it is a throwback old school. I think Belichick 1166 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,680 Speaker 1: still has that in him as well, that he wants 1167 00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,960 Speaker 1: to be a smash mouth team horse and he wants 1168 00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,680 Speaker 1: to be the more physically team. He wants to win 1169 00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,799 Speaker 1: the trenches. Like that's still built. I mean they talked 1170 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,359 Speaker 1: about it last year. David Injuries said last year during 1171 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,640 Speaker 1: that winning street, that was their identity, that we're going 1172 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,240 Speaker 1: to be tougher and meaner and more physical than whoever's 1173 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,239 Speaker 1: lined up across from us. That's how we want to 1174 00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:13,400 Speaker 1: win games, right, So throwback unis throwback offenses. Now, I 1175 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,600 Speaker 1: think that as we kind of look at this matchup, 1176 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,520 Speaker 1: the biggest concern that you have is, well, the Patriots 1177 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:23,080 Speaker 1: run defense has been non existent for two weeks, right, 1178 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,439 Speaker 1: And there's reasons for all that that we can break down. 1179 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,520 Speaker 1: But the Patriots run defense right now is thirty first 1180 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,880 Speaker 1: in the league. In DVOA, they're down near the bottom 1181 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,560 Speaker 1: of the league. And yards per tempt the five point 1182 00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,959 Speaker 1: one yards per tempt twenty nine and now you have 1183 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,800 Speaker 1: the Lions coming into town that are averaging six freaking 1184 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,640 Speaker 1: yards per carry on the ground, And how do you 1185 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,120 Speaker 1: possibly fix what ails the Patriots? And I think we 1186 00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,160 Speaker 1: can talk a little Jamie Collins here as well. I 1187 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,520 Speaker 1: think that linebacker group is a factor in all of this. 1188 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,520 Speaker 1: But you watch that Seahawks tape and the one run 1189 00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,440 Speaker 1: that really stands out to me, Jamal Williams housed one 1190 00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,359 Speaker 1: from fifty one yards out. What are the Seahawks doing. 1191 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,400 Speaker 1: They're playing a six man box, you're playing split safety. 1192 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,280 Speaker 1: The Lions run a trap scheme downhill, pole guard power 1193 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,600 Speaker 1: scheme right at him and he goes untouched fifty one 1194 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:16,000 Speaker 1: yards to the house. So that's been the basically they're 1195 00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,920 Speaker 1: the poster child for if you're gonna play two hundred 1196 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,080 Speaker 1: and twenty pound linebackers, you're gonna play a bunch of 1197 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,000 Speaker 1: split safety shells to cover our pass and really make 1198 00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,480 Speaker 1: us a run first team. We're gonna run it right 1199 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,400 Speaker 1: down your throat, and Detroit's doing it better than anybody 1200 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,960 Speaker 1: right now. How do the Patriots defend it because they 1201 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,200 Speaker 1: have not been able to defend the run this year? Well, 1202 00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,480 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna sell out a lot more for 1203 00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,800 Speaker 1: the run. Are they really gonna be worried about Jared Goff? 1204 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,960 Speaker 1: You know, in two career games against the Patriots, one 1205 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,759 Speaker 1: is a rookie. He didn't play well, even that game 1206 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,360 Speaker 1: in LA in twenty twenty, which for some reason I 1207 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,520 Speaker 1: thought was more of a blowout than it was. Twenty 1208 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,520 Speaker 1: four three, sixteen to twenty five for one hundred and 1209 00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:00,359 Speaker 1: thirty seven yards a touchdown in a pick. Yeah, that's 1210 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,759 Speaker 1: not You know. My guess is they're gonna go, you know, 1211 00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:09,000 Speaker 1: load the box up, reel four three stuff and say 1212 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,759 Speaker 1: throw it. You know it, beat us with Jared Goff, 1213 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,640 Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field. Like you said, top 1214 00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,400 Speaker 1: receiver might be out, Saint Brown might be out. Yeah, 1215 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,320 Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be thepproach. They haven't necessarily been 1216 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,440 Speaker 1: able to do that the last couple of weeks. Obviously, 1217 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,600 Speaker 1: you're not going to do that against Lamar Jackson. You're 1218 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,000 Speaker 1: not gonna do it against Aaron Rodgers, right, Even though 1219 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,440 Speaker 1: the Packers are such a good running team, you have 1220 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,720 Speaker 1: to respect Aaron Rodgers. That's part of the reason the 1221 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,160 Speaker 1: Packers run the ball so well. Teams won't sell out 1222 00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,440 Speaker 1: to stop it. Jared Goff, shocker is not Aaron Rodgers. 1223 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,320 Speaker 1: You can sell out a little more this week to 1224 00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,080 Speaker 1: stop the run a little more, a lot more. You 1225 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:41,720 Speaker 1: can sell out a lot more to stop the run 1226 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,000 Speaker 1: this week, and I think that's something they'll do. Hopefully 1227 00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,320 Speaker 1: they get Lawrence Guy back, he was back at practice today. 1228 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: That would be a big help. But I think you 1229 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,120 Speaker 1: see them, you know, personnel wise and philosophically. I think 1230 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:52,920 Speaker 1: they're gonna play this game a lot differently than they 1231 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,280 Speaker 1: have the first couple of games. Maybe a little closer 1232 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,360 Speaker 1: to what they did against Pittsburgh, but I think even 1233 00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,320 Speaker 1: more so selling out against the run. Yeah, so they 1234 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,320 Speaker 1: played a lot more single high against Screen Bay. Then 1235 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,520 Speaker 1: I remembered watching it live when I watched it back. 1236 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,520 Speaker 1: I was a lot more loaded boxes, right, they're trying 1237 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,240 Speaker 1: to get that extra hat and down on the box. 1238 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,240 Speaker 1: But they were play some base defense. They were spitting 1239 00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,280 Speaker 1: the safeties though, they were doing some weird stuff, and 1240 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,200 Speaker 1: a couple of times, a couple of times they Aaron 1241 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,000 Speaker 1: Rodgers caught them spinning the safety and he ran it 1242 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,360 Speaker 1: to the side that the safety was retreating from and 1243 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,680 Speaker 1: the safety is gonna come down from the other side, 1244 00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,160 Speaker 1: and he was running it at the spin, right, which 1245 00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,600 Speaker 1: is that's why he's a veteran quarterback. That's why ye 1246 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,800 Speaker 1: Jared Goss not gonna do that. So remember a couple 1247 00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,840 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, Yeah, somebody asked Belichick about play action 1248 00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,480 Speaker 1: and why they weren't calling a lot of play action, 1249 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,600 Speaker 1: and he mentioned they've been seeing a lot of man coverage. 1250 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,040 Speaker 1: And the one thing against the Lions that really stands out, 1251 00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,720 Speaker 1: especially against Seattle, they were shredding them their zones off 1252 00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,760 Speaker 1: of play action. Right. They're flooding the deep parts of 1253 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,440 Speaker 1: the zone, they're pulling the linebackers up with the play action, 1254 00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,640 Speaker 1: and they were hitting big plays all over the field 1255 00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,240 Speaker 1: off of play action. So to me, this is a 1256 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,520 Speaker 1: single high game certainly you're not gonna play split safety 1257 00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,600 Speaker 1: against Detroit. And I think it's a man game because yeah, 1258 00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,960 Speaker 1: I think what if Belichick if he was sincere, which 1259 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,560 Speaker 1: I hope to think he was. No, I mean it 1260 00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,040 Speaker 1: made sense right that you're not really getting the same 1261 00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,760 Speaker 1: poll on the defense in man then in zone. Then 1262 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,200 Speaker 1: against a good run game and play action team, you 1263 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,000 Speaker 1: should be single high man, right, I mean that that 1264 00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,360 Speaker 1: should be the game plan. And if a Monro's Saint 1265 00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,960 Speaker 1: Brown doesn't play, then it's one less guy to worry about. 1266 00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,560 Speaker 1: Who really worried about the one guy to me that 1267 00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,880 Speaker 1: could kill them in this and we saw it earlier 1268 00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,320 Speaker 1: in the season. I mean t J. Hawkinson's the real deal. 1269 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,360 Speaker 1: Obviously we all know that. Awesome. Yeah, you know that's 1270 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,120 Speaker 1: where they're really going to kill you on play actions 1271 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,520 Speaker 1: with the tight end because and he caught a big 1272 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,840 Speaker 1: touchdown early on in that game off of play action. 1273 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,000 Speaker 1: Even if it isn't man, and I get what Bill 1274 00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:43,560 Speaker 1: is saying, it does make sense that, well, if your 1275 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,120 Speaker 1: man assignment is your man assignment, you're not necessarily looking 1276 00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:47,640 Speaker 1: to see whether or not it's a run or a pass. 1277 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,720 Speaker 1: That's why teams run what are called runouts with the 1278 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:54,160 Speaker 1: wide receivers. But whether it's a linebacker or a safety 1279 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,000 Speaker 1: or whatever, those guys are naturally even in man, just 1280 00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,479 Speaker 1: gonna be a little more inclined to look because even 1281 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,320 Speaker 1: in a man and call, they may have some ancillary 1282 01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,520 Speaker 1: run responsibilities. So that to me is where if the 1283 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Lions are gonna win this game, TJ. Hawkinson's gonna have 1284 01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,640 Speaker 1: a huge game. And this is where it would be 1285 01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,360 Speaker 1: huge for the Patriots if Kyle Dugger's fully healthy. I 1286 01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,000 Speaker 1: think Kyle Dugger is a focal point of the defensive 1287 01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:19,840 Speaker 1: game playing this week for the Patriots, no matter how 1288 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,440 Speaker 1: you slice it. So I think it depends on a 1289 01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,360 Speaker 1: mon ross same Brown's status. But that makes it a 1290 01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,880 Speaker 1: little It wouldn't get it. It It wouldn't surprise me at 1291 01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,800 Speaker 1: all if you see some bracket coverage on t J. Hawkinson, 1292 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,959 Speaker 1: if you see two guys Hawkinson, especially on third down, 1293 01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,640 Speaker 1: because that's where Golf wants to go with the ball, 1294 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,240 Speaker 1: but one of them is gonna be Dugger, like Dugger 1295 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,240 Speaker 1: is gonna be. But I wouldn't be surprised at all 1296 01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,360 Speaker 1: if you see one guy outside of Hawkinson, one guy 1297 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,840 Speaker 1: inside of Hawkinson and they really try to bracket him. 1298 01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,720 Speaker 1: Maybe they use the deep safety to bracket him over 1299 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,560 Speaker 1: the top of kind of like a cone bracket or Yeah, 1300 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,360 Speaker 1: those types of things. I think they'll see a ton 1301 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:57,280 Speaker 1: of on Hawkinson because he is the real deal now Seattle. 1302 01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,440 Speaker 1: A lot of the throws that are a lot of 1303 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,440 Speaker 1: the big places against the Sea, how they didn't cover him, 1304 01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,640 Speaker 1: which I mean, how can you not cover the best 1305 01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,040 Speaker 1: guy on the field for the other team. I haven't 1306 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,200 Speaker 1: really figured out. Another one of the big long touchdown 1307 01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,200 Speaker 1: that he scored. They thought they pushed him out of bounds, 1308 01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:13,960 Speaker 1: and the guy didn't get him out of bounds, and 1309 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,000 Speaker 1: the whole defense stops right and then they realize, oh crap, 1310 01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,280 Speaker 1: he's still in bounds, and then they try to chase 1311 01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,400 Speaker 1: him down from behind at that point. So a couple 1312 01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,000 Speaker 1: of those plays, I guess is what I'm getting at, 1313 01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,000 Speaker 1: were kind of Seattle's defense just not playing very good 1314 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,480 Speaker 1: defense versus Hawkinson. But he's a really talented player. But 1315 01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,560 Speaker 1: you look at their receiving corps. Saint Brown is hurt, 1316 01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,920 Speaker 1: DJ Chark is hurt, So you're really dealing with, obviously Hawkinson, 1317 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,640 Speaker 1: and I guess Quintus Cephas, Josh Reynolds like, those are 1318 01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:42,920 Speaker 1: the guys that have been playing right, which, like I 1319 01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,920 Speaker 1: think Clif Raymond played a little bit for them last 1320 01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,080 Speaker 1: week as well. Those guys are pretty much just burners, 1321 01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,440 Speaker 1: and the Patriots have the speed on the back end, 1322 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,280 Speaker 1: you know, hasn't necessarily been the case the last couple 1323 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:52,520 Speaker 1: of years, but they have the speed on the back 1324 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,800 Speaker 1: end to contend with those guys. Jonathan Jones is going 1325 01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,480 Speaker 1: to run with those guys. Jack Jones is going to 1326 01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,920 Speaker 1: run with those guys. Marcus Jones, if he plays, is 1327 01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,120 Speaker 1: going to run with those guys. Basically, anybody with the 1328 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,400 Speaker 1: last name Jones outside of maybe Mac and who knows 1329 01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,680 Speaker 1: if his ankle is healthy, who knows anybody with the 1330 01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:07,320 Speaker 1: last name Jones is going to be able to run 1331 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,439 Speaker 1: with those guys. Yeah, it's interesting because the Lions are 1332 01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:14,400 Speaker 1: a much different scheme than what Jared Goff ran would 1333 01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:18,920 Speaker 1: completely different Los Angeles and the Rams, but the overall 1334 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,600 Speaker 1: big picture is the same. Right, They're a run first 1335 01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,840 Speaker 1: team and they're a play action team, right, Like those 1336 01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:25,400 Speaker 1: are the two big things, but they just do it 1337 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,760 Speaker 1: completely differently. So Goff is still basically doing what he 1338 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,360 Speaker 1: did with the Rams. It's just kind of getting to 1339 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,560 Speaker 1: it a little bit different. So I'd be interesting to 1340 01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:36,080 Speaker 1: see how the Patriots defend them in man. But I 1341 01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,440 Speaker 1: just can't imagine that they're gonna sit in zone like 1342 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:42,040 Speaker 1: Seattle did, because all the Lions did was clear out 1343 01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,760 Speaker 1: the zone, run the guy through the intermediate, or stress 1344 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,360 Speaker 1: it vertically with like post wheels and stuff like that. 1345 01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,440 Speaker 1: And Ardi is hitting big plays left and right. So 1346 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,080 Speaker 1: I don't think that they're gonna play a lot of 1347 01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,840 Speaker 1: zone or as much zone as they have been playing. 1348 01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,040 Speaker 1: What's the game playing for zappy? I'm assuming it's gonna 1349 01:02:58,040 --> 01:02:59,800 Speaker 1: be zappy. I mean we're on Wednesday here. I don't know. 1350 01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,680 Speaker 1: Do you think they'll open it up a little bit more? 1351 01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,240 Speaker 1: And how if so? If they do, how so because 1352 01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,440 Speaker 1: it was so much more under center than I was expecting. 1353 01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,600 Speaker 1: I think a little bit they opened up a little 1354 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,520 Speaker 1: bit more. I think you're looking at assuming you know, 1355 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,760 Speaker 1: the game stays within a reasonable margin, like twenty twenty 1356 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,160 Speaker 1: five pass attempt something like that. Yeah, I know he 1357 01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,240 Speaker 1: didn't run a ton of under center in college, but 1358 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,520 Speaker 1: I think that play action stuff is especially I mean, 1359 01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:24,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to come out and run the ball, 1360 01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,480 Speaker 1: Like you said, it's gonna be a run first game plan. 1361 01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,880 Speaker 1: I think play actions. Bailey's Appy's best friend in this game. Yeah, 1362 01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,320 Speaker 1: so I think still under center, a lot of play 1363 01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:36,440 Speaker 1: action stuff, you know. And again, if Jacoby Myers is healthy, 1364 01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:42,240 Speaker 1: Myers Myers, Myers, Myers, Yeah, you know, wash rinse, repeat 1365 01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,600 Speaker 1: Jacobe Myers. I think that's kind of the game plan 1366 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,960 Speaker 1: for Bailey's Appy. It's a very It's not a good 1367 01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,720 Speaker 1: Detroit defense. They're last in the league and a lot 1368 01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,439 Speaker 1: of categories or second to last, but it's a very 1369 01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:57,200 Speaker 1: aggressive I will say, though they as a whole have 1370 01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:01,120 Speaker 1: not been good. Jeff Acuda is finally healthy. Was was 1371 01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,280 Speaker 1: he a top five picks? He's definitely a top ten pick. Yeah, 1372 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,720 Speaker 1: the third overall pick in twenty twenty. He was kind 1373 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,720 Speaker 1: of banged up the last two years. He's finally healthy's 1374 01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,960 Speaker 1: playing really well. Held up strongly against Justin Jefferson held up. 1375 01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,040 Speaker 1: I don't think DK had a big game last week, right, 1376 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:15,720 Speaker 1: not a huge one. He had one big He held 1377 01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,880 Speaker 1: up against DK. So more of a boundary guy. Are 1378 01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,320 Speaker 1: they gonna put him on Agalore, who's kind of been 1379 01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,800 Speaker 1: the Patriots top outside receiver. Are they gonna put him 1380 01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,160 Speaker 1: on Parker, who's the depth chart number one. He can 1381 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:27,880 Speaker 1: play in the slot. He did play in the slot 1382 01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,920 Speaker 1: a bit of Ohio State. If they put him on 1383 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,760 Speaker 1: Jacobe Myers, then it gets really interesting because I don't 1384 01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,080 Speaker 1: know if I'm testing Jeff Kuda. He's a larker. He 1385 01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,640 Speaker 1: will t step yeah again against the slot Like that 1386 01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,920 Speaker 1: matchup scares me a little bit. So that's the one 1387 01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:43,480 Speaker 1: guy I worry about, is what do the Lions do 1388 01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,840 Speaker 1: with Jeff Kuda If they're gonna put him on the boundary, 1389 01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,560 Speaker 1: I think it's just Jacobe Myers all day. Yeah, it's 1390 01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,960 Speaker 1: not a very sound defense right now in Detroit, but 1391 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,439 Speaker 1: they're very, very aggressive. They zero boast Gino a lot 1392 01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,560 Speaker 1: in that game. Bailey Zapp he saw it in the 1393 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,400 Speaker 1: in the season. It's on right and a lot a 1394 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,480 Speaker 1: lot of the things that they hit big plays off 1395 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,960 Speaker 1: of Seattle that is was like bootleg stuff, right because 1396 01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,920 Speaker 1: that defense, as soon as it sees something in one direction, 1397 01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,640 Speaker 1: it is flying like all eleven guys just flying one direction. 1398 01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:18,320 Speaker 1: And some of the bootleg stuff they did with Bailey 1399 01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,680 Speaker 1: the throws were not great. I think he bounced one 1400 01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,520 Speaker 1: into Kendrick Boring off a bootleg in that game on Sunday. 1401 01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,479 Speaker 1: But a lot of the routes that they were able 1402 01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,200 Speaker 1: to hit off of play action, off the bootlegs where 1403 01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,800 Speaker 1: those slide routes where the receiver just kind of slides 1404 01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,280 Speaker 1: across like almost like a drag, right and you hit 1405 01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,520 Speaker 1: it for a three yard pass becomes a ten yard pass. 1406 01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,120 Speaker 1: Those things are easy, right every quarterback and hit those 1407 01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,240 Speaker 1: types of throws. So I wouldn't be surprised if we 1408 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,680 Speaker 1: see some moving pockets and try to get them out 1409 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,480 Speaker 1: on the perimeter like that and hit some of those 1410 01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:49,440 Speaker 1: easy just first down, the yak type of plays and 1411 01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:53,480 Speaker 1: stuff like that, because this Detroit defense comes downhill quickly. 1412 01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,240 Speaker 1: They go horizontally quickly, like they do everything fast. They 1413 01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,800 Speaker 1: don't really cover very well, but they do everything fast. 1414 01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,640 Speaker 1: So I think you're gonna see some misdirection, some play action, 1415 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,760 Speaker 1: certainly again if it is Happy or even if it 1416 01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,120 Speaker 1: is Max. So we'll see how that goes. But that's 1417 01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,840 Speaker 1: a rap on the first show way before him talk 1418 01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,400 Speaker 1: what happened? Okay, all right, all right, I'm sorry. We 1419 01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,240 Speaker 1: gotta we gotta ended with the un talk. It's a 1420 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,880 Speaker 1: throwback week, man, give me Pat. We saw a glimpse 1421 01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,160 Speaker 1: of it today at practice. Yeah, helmet, you not get 1422 01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,720 Speaker 1: the chill see in those white helmets. Da Damian Harris 1423 01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,480 Speaker 1: has it right. He got the Amber visor going with it. 1424 01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,320 Speaker 1: He is. He gets the A plus you know other guys. 1425 01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,280 Speaker 1: It's a good looking helmet no matter who does it. 1426 01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,000 Speaker 1: It's cool walking around the stadium. They've got those banners up. 1427 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,840 Speaker 1: I'm super glad, not just the pat Patriot logo, but 1428 01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,480 Speaker 1: that like seventy style word mark logo is back. I'm 1429 01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,160 Speaker 1: interested to see. I don't know if you can give 1430 01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,040 Speaker 1: me the inside, scoop he or Evan, I don't know 1431 01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,200 Speaker 1: if I can't give anybody the inside. I don't even 1432 01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,720 Speaker 1: know if you know what's gonna be at midfield on Sunday. 1433 01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,560 Speaker 1: I don't gonna be the Flying Elvis or is it 1434 01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,560 Speaker 1: gonna be Pat Patrie. I don't know. That's above my 1435 01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,880 Speaker 1: pay grade. Obviously. That's the good question I keep getting. 1436 01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,880 Speaker 1: And something that I think that is being kept very 1437 01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,240 Speaker 1: very quiet. Is there gonna be a tarp on the 1438 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,000 Speaker 1: field that they're just gonna pull off during the coin 1439 01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,840 Speaker 1: toss and they'll be a big reveal. Let me put 1440 01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,880 Speaker 1: to you this way. I don't I honestly don't know. Okay, 1441 01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:10,600 Speaker 1: I have no even off the air, I couldn't. I 1442 01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,920 Speaker 1: couldn't tell you an answer, but I think I can 1443 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,680 Speaker 1: confirm that by the way I asked you off the air. 1444 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,680 Speaker 1: What I think is interesting is that our entire dot 1445 01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:23,720 Speaker 1: com is now old school logo. Our Twitter is old 1446 01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,960 Speaker 1: school logo, Like literally everything has been turned over. So 1447 01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,600 Speaker 1: to leave the flying Elvis at midfield when everything else 1448 01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:34,479 Speaker 1: they all these details we're doing and all this type 1449 01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,720 Speaker 1: of stuff. It's point. I don't know. It seems like 1450 01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,440 Speaker 1: that would be one thing like that you would obviously do, right, 1451 01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:44,040 Speaker 1: because our great graphics team worked for weeks on turning 1452 01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:48,560 Speaker 1: over the whole dot com platform to pat Patriots. So 1453 01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:50,600 Speaker 1: I feel like that was one thing that we have 1454 01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,280 Speaker 1: to Yeah, Morrell behind the glass, he sees it. He 1455 01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,360 Speaker 1: sees that logo. I'll give you, I'll give you one 1456 01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:59,000 Speaker 1: more two. I know some people have been hesitant, Oh, 1457 01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,240 Speaker 1: the red uniforms. They never won in the red uniforms, 1458 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:05,040 Speaker 1: why do you want them back? They're eleven and one 1459 01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,000 Speaker 1: in throwback uniforms since they stopped actually wearing that helmet, 1460 01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,320 Speaker 1: so they weren't good at look, they didn't win a 1461 01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,600 Speaker 1: Ton when they were the actual uniforms, but when their throwbacks, Yeah, 1462 01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:19,320 Speaker 1: they've actually been very really quickly. Favorite throwback jersey game 1463 01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,360 Speaker 1: in the Brady air ago, um, I think like the 1464 01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,599 Speaker 1: most enjoyable game was the opener oh nine against the Bills, 1465 01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,920 Speaker 1: Tom Brady or Tom terrific. My personal favorite fifty nine 1466 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,599 Speaker 1: nothing against the Titans and the snow. That was like 1467 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,479 Speaker 1: I remember, like my family was out at the house 1468 01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,880 Speaker 1: to myself, I just start snow and I made nachos. 1469 01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,719 Speaker 1: Is great. It was just I had my own little party. 1470 01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:42,960 Speaker 1: So that was a fun memory. I just toy remember 1471 01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:47,599 Speaker 1: the flea flicker. Remember Brian Lawyer did their Randy Moss 1472 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,800 Speaker 1: like separate the defense dance off Funny was playing this week. 1473 01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,240 Speaker 1: We get them do it because I just remember them. 1474 01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,920 Speaker 1: Was it six touchdowns in the first half or Brady? 1475 01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:00,360 Speaker 1: I think he threw six touchdown threw five even the 1476 01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,800 Speaker 1: second quarter. That's the record. The crazy The craziest thing 1477 01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,160 Speaker 1: about that is, I know we've got to wrap it 1478 01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,559 Speaker 1: up here, but when people forget all that Titans team 1479 01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,439 Speaker 1: must horrible. They lost that game. They went oh and 1480 01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,360 Speaker 1: six going into the by with Carry Collins as the starter. Yeah, 1481 01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,760 Speaker 1: they made the switch to Vince Young and went on 1482 01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,439 Speaker 1: a run. They finished the season eight and two, and 1483 01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:21,439 Speaker 1: I think they made the play They just missed the playoffs. 1484 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,479 Speaker 1: But the Titans. They turned the Titans around too. Yeah. 1485 01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,920 Speaker 1: Also Detroit on Thanksgiving right long hair Brady, I believe 1486 01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,439 Speaker 1: that was. They played Detroit twice in Thanksgiving. They didn't 1487 01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,639 Speaker 1: know two. Yeah, and remember they had they kept lyning 1488 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,599 Speaker 1: Antoine Smith up as a wide receiver in that game. 1489 01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,360 Speaker 1: And then, yeah, that was the case because everybody remembers 1490 01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:41,599 Speaker 1: that was the game where Dion Branch toasted Alfonso Smith. 1491 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,840 Speaker 1: It was like three catches, like one hundred and forty 1492 01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,000 Speaker 1: something yards or something like that. Yeah, and then the 1493 01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:49,040 Speaker 1: Jets games and Randy Moss coming back on Thanksgiving and yeah, 1494 01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,320 Speaker 1: but the Titans game, I just I don't think there's 1495 01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,360 Speaker 1: ever been a game, I should say, ever, because the 1496 01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,120 Speaker 1: Patriots had a lot of games where they beat up 1497 01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,240 Speaker 1: on people, but that was like that was almost like 1498 01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,360 Speaker 1: playing with food, right, Like that was just it's like, 1499 01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:04,240 Speaker 1: oh my god, like it just looks terrible. All right. Anyways, 1500 01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,599 Speaker 1: So we'll be back next Wednesday, same time, same place, 1501 01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,519 Speaker 1: two to three pm on Wednesdays on Patriots dot Com 1502 01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,320 Speaker 1: We're getting a lot of questions about if this will 1503 01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,439 Speaker 1: be in a podcast for Mike on Google Podcasts or 1504 01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,920 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, Spotify fille, and the answer is absolutely yes. 1505 01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,840 Speaker 1: So after the show is over at three o'clock, you'll 1506 01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,479 Speaker 1: be able to get the pod version and listen back 1507 01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:29,240 Speaker 1: whenever you can on all your podcast platforms. Thank you 1508 01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:33,960 Speaker 1: so much. 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