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Speaker 3: Jesus.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's time to bank.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, watch my nine malt me to go.

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Speaker 2: Bang Hi, everybody, bang bang.

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Speaker 1: It's time for morning combat on this sixteenth of Monday,

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Speaker 1: well sixteenth of September, I should say, a Monday twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four. Hi there everyone. My name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I'm one half of your hosting duo that is the

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Speaker 1: man with brain damage from Connecticut, the King of CTE.

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Speaker 2: I'm fresh off the bird from Vegas. I didn't get

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Speaker 1: Have you showered?

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Speaker 2: And boy are my arms tired? I have showered, but

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Speaker 2: I still this is the same you know, outfit for

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Speaker 2: the most part that I flew in. So I'm going

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Speaker 2: because I gotta go to Dublin after today's show. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to go full on aceptosis for the

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Speaker 2: next for forty eight hours. I'm just gonna smell and

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Speaker 2: live in these clothes until they just disintegrate off of me.

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Speaker 2: And I'm ready for it. Tru It's kind of Christmas

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Speaker 2: vacation in high school, and You're like, I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to shower for seven days, and I'm going to masturbate

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Speaker 1: You know, I never planned to not shower during Christmas break.

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Speaker 1: That's a youth thing. No, it's a protest.

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Speaker 2: No, that's an American thing.

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Speaker 1: Right there, it seems like you're staying in New York.

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Speaker 1: Is quite literally just a very long layout, it is.

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Speaker 2: But get this. On the elevator this morning on the

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Speaker 2: way to the studio, a man saw my Mandalorian sweatshirt

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Speaker 2: stop me and said, hey, by the way, I designed

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Speaker 2: And then we got off the elevator and I chewed

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Speaker 1: Why was he in this building?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I was like, yo, you see

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Speaker 1: Afterwards, well, we have a lot to get to you

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Speaker 1: because you were in Las Vegas for Canelo versus Berlanga. UH.

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Speaker 1: The UFC three oh six event is now in the books.

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Speaker 1: We will talk about that.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to the UH. I want to say it

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Speaker 2: the UFC for for that visual uhatat Yes, we'll leave

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know I have seen people will be like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not that impressed. Put the camera on me very quick.

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Speaker 1: The people who are claiming that they're not impressed are

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Speaker 1: These are fucking dullards who are dead inside, who know

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Speaker 1: absolutely fuck all about anything which is gonna say it

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Speaker 1: was a flawless performance. I'm not making the comment that

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Speaker 1: like it major divorced energy. Those arether people who don't.

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Speaker 2: Like did you give your give the sphere a chance?

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Speaker 2: Take more times than you saw Holloway versus Olkanowski.

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Speaker 1: It's got to be neck and neck, and I'm.

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Speaker 2: Like, if I hear that ship again.

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Speaker 1: I just can't believe how people resist. I get here's

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Speaker 1: here's the pint that I just I don't understand BC

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Speaker 1: And I'm not even saying it's necessarily an unfair charge,

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Speaker 1: but I get accused routinely of being have some fun.

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Speaker 1: Won't you have some fun? Well, let me turn the tables.

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Speaker 1: Let me turn the tables, have some fun, dullards, open

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Speaker 2: It's like, stop shooting up six racks of bud light

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Speaker 1: What I wouldn't mind, not necessarily. I just cannot believe

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Speaker 1: Like the seven eleven guys, probably smoked meth out of

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Speaker 1: There's no question we're gonna get to We're gonna get

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Speaker 2: And Randy, you're gonna come on at the same time today.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be You did get the Max interview I.

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Speaker 2: Did, and people think that I I tried to like

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Speaker 2: We talked bad about Luke, but no, we had talked

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Speaker 1: The basic issue is, sometimes I book a guest, sometimes

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Speaker 1: BC books a guest. In this particular case, you got

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Speaker 2: Just to Shaquille Majory of CBS, our friend here and

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Speaker 1: Max is the man.

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Speaker 2: But what he said was that the MK nation, if

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Speaker 1: So it's great. I didn't hear that there.

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Speaker 2: At the at the Brian Campbell experience on YouTube, he

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Speaker 1: Max, I love you, but you're wrong. You're wrong.

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Speaker 2: By the way, just to spoiler, I got a lot

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you do nothing but undermine me every

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Speaker 1: possible chance that you get. You're obsessed with, in fact,

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Speaker 2: Well we could argue that another time.

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Speaker 1: But if people ask about you, I talk about you.

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Speaker 1: Watch last question on that content from Dublin. I hope too.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but you know I'm still learning the ropes. You know,

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Speaker 1: Listen, you can do wonders I could, I could do.

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Speaker 2: I should start a membership and then really get give

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Speaker 1: That's when you can really, that's when it's only reminder.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we have merch. You can go to Morning

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Speaker 1: Coombat Dot story. You can get ten percent off. I

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Speaker 1: but it's there. I guess. Uh, Let's see what else

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Speaker 1: do we have? Although just put the socials up very

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Speaker 1: quickly if we can. You know what, we should add

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Speaker 1: Now I've got a channel.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 1: We should maybe get that up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe these channels can work in concert with each other.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just morning combat. But but we would we'd

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine. We can do that, all right, BC.

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Speaker 1: Did you watch the Sphere Show?

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Speaker 2: Do you want no, Margarita? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I do? Do you want to, Margarita? Did you watch it?

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Speaker 2: Hell?

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the fights. First topic number one, BC,

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Speaker 1: we have a new UFC Bantaway champion, Morob Dawallash Wheeley.

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Speaker 1: Round three is close. I can see it. I don't

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Speaker 2: There was none of that, even though O'Malley, to his credit,

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Speaker 1: Well, I largely agree with almost everything you said. A

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Speaker 1: Vera five round fight, Sean O'Malley scored two hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty significant strikes. Okay, so two hundred and thirty over

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Speaker 1: Eighty six eighty six, So it was two thirty against

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Speaker 1: Cheeto Vera it was forty seven forty seven.

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Speaker 2: Answer this the spin question back to you. If Morob

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Speaker 1: So this is what I mean when I say I

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Speaker 1: big difference. And I want to be fair about something too,

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Speaker 1: Sean Omley. I did a whole tape study on this.

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Speaker 1: He does not have bad takedown to I know Henry

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Speaker 1: lost because he was basically offensively nullified. He couldn't get

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Speaker 2: On, and he's using so much of his stamina to

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Speaker 1: It was a three round contest. I think at altitude

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Speaker 1: basically Morob does this to every single person he fights.

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Speaker 1: Sean O'Malley wasn't flat. He got flattened. The forty seven

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Speaker 1: The good fighters of this world, the great fighters of

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Speaker 1: He got cracked in this fight until the fifth round

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Speaker 1: almost like his jab. Really up until that, you didn't

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Speaker 1: And I attribute that to many things. We already know

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Speaker 1: he has great cardio. We already know with that single

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Speaker 1: Morob simply flattened this guy basically, not entirely, but basically

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Speaker 2: I don't want to back. I just want to pitch

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Speaker 2: the fact that O'Malley had a somewhat significant injury and

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Speaker 2: it would make some of the Tim Welch speaking back

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Speaker 1: It could be the case where he had an injury

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Speaker 1: and in defense of Tim Welch. We don't know their

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Speaker 1: there in he also had Augusto Tenkino in his corner

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Speaker 1: But Morob has truly he took a skill set, a

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Speaker 1: O'Malley kept going from frying pan to fire and this

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Speaker 2: You got to give him that credit, and I think

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Speaker 2: That's why he wasn't throwing. He had him not confident

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Speaker 2: You are really going to have to hurt him early on,

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Speaker 2: in trouble. Unless you can demonstratively shut down, you know,

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Speaker 2: And then when he's unable to get his offense together,

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Speaker 1: That stab up the middle that he hit him with

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Speaker 2: But I do think you'll look back on O'Malley's career

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Speaker 2: of the table. So I'd love to know if there

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00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,760
Speaker 2: was an injury that affected that and I like that

434
00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,280
Speaker 2: he's not leaning on it. If there was, it's not

435
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,000
Speaker 2: like a Day one excuse of oh, by the way,

436
00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,080
Speaker 2: I had this going on, but it would make sense,

437
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,040
Speaker 2: or he just I mean, has he been a front

438
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,080
Speaker 2: runner for too long, meaning that he's controlled the terms

439
00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,360
Speaker 2: of so many fights and led the dance. No, he's

440
00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,080
Speaker 2: also been in close fights like yan I mean the.

441
00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,199
Speaker 1: Blood you can say, you can say yan one, but

442
00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,880
Speaker 1: it was not. I mean, that was a tough scrap

443
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,280
Speaker 1: all the way through, and he kind of came on

444
00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,320
Speaker 1: strong in the third anyway, after having a bit of

445
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,280
Speaker 1: a rough start. Let me add a couple of dimensions

446
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,280
Speaker 1: to this, if I may. In looking at Morob's game,

447
00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,960
Speaker 1: two things really stuck out to me about this one.

448
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 1: I think one of the real key errors. And I

449
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,600
Speaker 1: understand why O'Malley made it, because it's hard to get

450
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,679
Speaker 1: over this. But when O'Malley wanted to when O'Malley was

451
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,160
Speaker 1: on the back foot and wanted to charge at Morob

452
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:14,119
Speaker 1: to land on something if Morob was in the center,

453
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,160
Speaker 1: and that this isn't every round kind of started with

454
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,639
Speaker 1: O'Malley in the center, but then it eventually changed, except

455
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 1: for the fifth did you notice O'Malley would try and

456
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 1: come and charge at him, and Morob does not have

457
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,639
Speaker 1: like super slick countering defense. But if the whole octagon

458
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,399
Speaker 1: space is behind you, you can just get out of

459
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,200
Speaker 1: the way. Yes, So one not being able to put

460
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,680
Speaker 1: pressure on Morob made a Morob's ability to avoid any

461
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,959
Speaker 1: blitzes or sudden attacks from O'Malley much much easier, like

462
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 1: significantly easier. That was the first thing that I really know.

463
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:44,919
Speaker 2: It wasn't there to be found with the jab. He

464
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 2: was almost Pachiao like in darting in and out constantly,

465
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 2: never there to be hit.

466
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 1: Never there to be hit. But if you've got room,

467
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 1: if imagine the roles were reversed and now you're up

468
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 1: against the fence, you can't You could maybe duck and

469
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 1: get out of the way, but you couldn't back up anymore.

470
00:20:58,440 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 1: But if you can just back up because the whole

471
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 1: gons behind you, who really cares anymore. That was one

472
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 1: thing that I kind of really noticed. I think part

473
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:05,920
Speaker 1: of the other one was we got to already was

474
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 1: the addition, and he's done it before, but now he's

475
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 1: got this offensive system. I'm gonna go for the takedown

476
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 1: either I'm gonna get it and get on top, or

477
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,159
Speaker 1: you're gonna wrestle you to your hands. And once I

478
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 1: wrestle you to your hands, I'm gonna pull that outside

479
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 1: leg off. Because for folks, you don't realize if this

480
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 1: is the wall of the fence, my outside leg typically

481
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: has to go up first because you have to press

482
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,400
Speaker 1: into the fence so they can't come to the other

483
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 1: side of you. But when you put the weight on

484
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 1: that like that, it makes someone like Morob able to

485
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,719
Speaker 1: put his leg inside and then turk it, lift it,

486
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 1: shelve it whatever he needs to. And then if you

487
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: want to turn to face him, well then he just

488
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 1: goes to the front headlock. And if you stand on

489
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 1: your hands, what's he doing. He's banging you on the

490
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,360
Speaker 1: leg the whole time with his He's got this whole

491
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 1: offensive system now pretty fucking dialed in. If I do

492
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: say so myself.

493
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 2: Takes up so much of your mental focus and energy

494
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 2: to keep him in line, to keep him from overwhelming you,

495
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 2: that really it went perfect to code to for uh

496
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 2: Morob because Luke, look at how much time in the

497
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 2: first two rounds he's just leaning on O'Malley on the

498
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 2: ground and just pulling on that gas tank. It really

499
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 2: was brilliant across the board. But all of that's not

500
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 2: going to be as effective if he doesn't raise his

501
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 2: level of striking. That's what I'm so impressed with. The counterpunching.

502
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 2: Did not see that coming. You got to give his

503
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 2: team a lot of credit. Obviously, ray Longo's a big

504
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 2: part of that, and he had an A plus knight

505
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 2: just playing the ray Longo character, just being like the

506
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 2: lovable ex mafia uncle Lee what I mean, just being

507
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 2: like the all right morab I love you buddy, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

508
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 2: go kick his fucking ass. Just giving him like the

509
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 2: most like casual but awesome encouragements there. But obviously they've

510
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 2: built a factory of champions, and it kind of makes sense.

511
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: I look at a guy who we don't talk about

512
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 2: enough in Morob lost his first two UFC fights, one

513
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 2: by split decision, one by he got put to sleep,

514
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: has now won eleven in a row and is improving

515
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 2: leaps and bounds at just the right time. It's not

516
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 2: that he's just a cardio freak, but being a ten

517
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 2: out of ten cardio freak on top of everything else

518
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 2: we're talking about, well, This is sort of a rare

519
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: combination of a fighter like he's a BIB like, but

520
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 2: he's so different. That's not you know, he's kind of

521
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 2: his own guy, much more of a fit, That's what

522
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 2: I'm saying. He's a big like but not even really

523
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 2: all that close and serious. But what he's built is

524
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 2: so unique, and I think you have to spin that

525
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 2: forward to what he revealed about himself after the fight.

526
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 2: It was just like, we know, he's this, he's everything

527
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: at once. He's this wild, out of control guy who

528
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: will do crazy things and put his health at risk

529
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 2: in his personal life to the laughter of everybody on Instagram,

530
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 2: but he's also this like every man. I mean that

531
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 2: speech afterwards. I love that he interrupted Joe and was like, no,

532
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 2: we're not going to talk about the Umar fight, which

533
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 2: by the way, is one of the most bad as

534
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: Frican fights we could ever make.

535
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: And I can't wait.

536
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 2: I can't wait him doing that everyman's speech and just

537
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: trying to inspire people out at home and being like,

538
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 2: I am just like you. Obviously there's very few people

539
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 2: that are just like Morad because he's a freaking many

540
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 2: ways and a lot of great ways. But this was

541
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: a really wholesome, like feel good moment of somebody who

542
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 2: did it the hard way, and we don't get that enough.

543
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 2: It seems like, you know what I mean, like I'd

544
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 2: love to celebrate that.

545
00:23:58,480 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 1: Let me make a point here. I could go back

546
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: further than this, but this is when the names to

547
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: me start to really matter. Listen to this wind streak

548
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: from Morob. He beats John Dotson, Cody Staman, Marlon Mariis

549
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: who he finished, Jose Aldo Yoder, Jan Henry Shudo, and

550
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,239
Speaker 1: now Sean O'Malley. I'm gonna ask you something, but I'm

551
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: gonna offer a theory about it too, which is like,

552
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: what is it that makes Morob's story so special?

553
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? What do you think?

554
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: My best guess is he feels to me like the

555
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: absolute physical and honestly like personal embodiment of working class ethic.

556
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: He is like, if you could just build, like, show

557
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: me what a blue collar guy looks like personified, So

558
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: would it looks like Marab.

559
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: If Showtime went out of business, would he door dashes?

560
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: That's really what he had to and he and if

561
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: he did, he'd be the goddamn best door dasher that

562
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: ever lived, You know what I mean? Like that kind

563
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 1: of a thing to me. Does he have those special

564
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: kind of shot cut rockmanov truly dangerous finishing skills. No,

565
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: he does not. I mean, this is a long run

566
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: of decisions, granted against really tough guys, but it's a

567
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: lot of decisions. He doesn't have that extra gear in

568
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,479
Speaker 1: him or skill wise, it's not really there. But what

569
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: he does have is max effort at all times against

570
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: a murderer's row of people that no favored son situation here. No,

571
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna put you at the front of the line.

572
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: This is you. You can get to the front of

573
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: the line if you just outwork everyone. And he was like, bet,

574
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: I'll do that.

575
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 2: And in the fifth round his chin got tested. And

576
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 2: we know he's got great recuperative skills mixed with that cardio,

577
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: but his chin legit got tested a few times. Wasn't

578
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 2: there high kick in there too? I mean he was

579
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: getting pieced up and round.

580
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: What's your what's your best theory about? You agree with that?

581
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 3: Like?

582
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: This is why his story has resonated it.

583
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 2: I mean it is the perfect sort of like immigrant

584
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: come to the US and make the dream happen and

585
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 2: do it the hard and long way. And the blue collar.

586
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: But on top of that, he's also like this lovable maniac.

587
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: It's really like he's the perfect character. That's why I

588
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: was like unhappy at some of the social media response.

589
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: Even though you expect the worst from x slash Twitter,

590
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,479
Speaker 2: especially from what the hell is elon on lately? Oh

591
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: my god, he's seeing these tweets heavy handed. Uh, you

592
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: expect the worst, but a lot of people were just

593
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 2: sort of like, man, so boring. It's like, no, it's

594
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: not so boring. It was a fucking great fight to watch,

595
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 2: to see the style contrast and to see this guy

596
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 2: put out this performance. And also if you're not moved

597
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: by this guy's story, it's like, what's wrong with you?

598
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 2: This was This was one of those I feel like

599
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: I won when I'm watching it, I'm like, we all win.

600
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 2: That's rare, dude. Juliana Painya created that moment with newness,

601
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 2: and I give her credit. That's an all time great moment.

602
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: But this is is It's real. Man. I'm feeling I'm

603
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 2: still high off Marob right now, all right, so you're not, Oh,

604
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 2: I'm super hots. I even said it like, was this

605
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: a barn burner of a fight? I wouldn't call it

606
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: that necessarily. No, I wasn't that. But you knew what

607
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 2: the fault lines were of this fight going in, and

608
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: the question was who could solve that problem and then

609
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: for it to be again fifth round notwithstanding we be

610
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: so one sided where one guy really solved the problem.

611
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: You're like, man, that is special. It is special, and

612
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 2: again it's one of the things the best division of

613
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: the sport. Man.

614
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: Come on, this is not one of the situations like,

615
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: well he beats some fraud. U Sean O'Malley is not

616
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 1: a fraud. His takedown defense is not bad. His striking

617
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: is obviously his bread and butter, but his takedown defense

618
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: is not bad. If wrestling is not bad, he's a

619
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: fucking winner. It's just that dude. Morob's ability to perform

620
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: and make people fight on his terms is extraordinarily good.

621
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: You do not get handed UFC titles. This guy earned

622
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: that show.

623
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: He has his own section and have you seen this

624
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 2: shit today?

625
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: Excellent? So the question I now have for you is

626
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: very simple. At the post fight presser, not so much

627
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: speaking to Rogan in the cage afterwards, but the postfight presser,

628
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: Barrob said, you know who actually deserves the next title

629
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: shot Deviison Figuredo now the camera when he did speak

630
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: to Rogan, put it on Umar and Nurmaga Madoff BC

631
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: settle this for us. Should it be Devison Figuredo? Should

632
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: it be Umar and Normagamadoff next?

633
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 2: I think it should be actually Figuredo. And I'm saying

634
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 2: that not a bad fight either way. From the standpoint

635
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: of saying, I think Umar versus morob Is is like

636
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: a hardcore fans boner. I mean, this is an absolute, perfect,

637
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: wet stream of a fight. I can it's so compelling.

638
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see it. But could you argue

639
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 2: that Umar it's kind of been allowed to just, you know,

640
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: leap ahead of the pack. What was he ranked fifteen

641
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: before that last victory? To breakthrough victory? If he had

642
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: to go one more, I don't think that's the end

643
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 2: of the world, because Figarato's not getting any younger, and

644
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: I think his success at ban and wait now three

645
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: and oh it's not being talked about enough. He's like

646
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: thirty six, thirty seven years old. On top of that,

647
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: moving up to the sport's deepest and most dangerous division,

648
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: and yet has found a way despite being clearly undersized

649
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: to be very legit here, Yeah, I'd be absolutely down

650
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: with that fight. It would give you time to to

651
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: build up Morab versus Umar even more to go beyond

652
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: just a hipster hardcore favorite. And because look, Umar, well, okay,

653
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: here's a good question, Luke, marketing wise, will Umar get

654
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: if Umar proves to be legit pump for pound top

655
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: ten and a gonna be there for a while and

656
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: he very much looks like so far? Will he get

657
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: the rub that Islam got from Habib? Because Islam's like

658
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: a legit top five star in this game.

659
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: I think all those Dakistani guys with the Muslim backgrounds,

660
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: I think, especially with a number gamdov name, you know,

661
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: is Umar as compelling a person as Habib was. Habib

662
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: was fucking hilarious, Like we don't ever talk about that.

663
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: Habib's really funny. Umar doesn't seem to have that similar

664
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: kind of personality from what we can tell. But I

665
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: think if your last name is nimberga madoff and you

666
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: win like that guy wins, and you got this Muslim background,

667
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: they can take you to the UAE, You're gonna fucking

668
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: sell like You're gonna be a major attraction in key

669
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: markets for them, no question.

670
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,239
Speaker 2: So you wont to be mad. If Umar had had

671
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: to go one more, he probably should have to go

672
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: one more.

673
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be Listen, here's the reality. Either way, Marob

674
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: versus Umar, Morob versus Figaredo. Both of those fights are great,

675
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: both of them. And if it ends up being in

676
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: the end, if Umar wins one and Figaredo wins one

677
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: and then it has to be Umar versus Figaredo, that

678
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: is also a incredibly tremendous fight by to the But

679
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: just to clarify, Figuredos thirty six will be thirty seven

680
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: in December, so he's not far from that. Either one

681
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: of those.

682
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: Wait and you look at the ags at Banam.

683
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: I know either one of those is compelling. And you

684
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: talk about the three fight win streak, it's Rob Faon

685
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: who he decisioned. He submitted Cody Garbrandt and then he

686
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: kind of beat up Marlon Vera. It is true to

687
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: me that the body of work at one thirty five

688
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: at this point is better for figuraeder at least the

689
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: last three. Certainly. However, none of those wins are as

690
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: good as the one win over Corey Sanhagen. The Sanhagan

691
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: win is better than all of those. And then when

692
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,239
Speaker 1: you throw in the reality that the guy's last name

693
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: is number Goamdov. And also, I'm gonna say this too,

694
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: like it's not like Figuredo's not well rounded. His power

695
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: has carried up aweight class. His jiu jitsu speaks for

696
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: itself again. He could beat morob I.

697
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: Believe in punching placement is so underrated.

698
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: It's very underrated. However, I think Umar is the guy. Okay,

699
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: so I think instead of Omar's coming from the wire. Yeah, yeah,

700
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: Omar's coming, buddy.

701
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: Eryl Spencer. You see that he put it on his

702
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: scram he said one sixty. While who do you think

703
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: Umar should have to fight if we went Figaredo for

704
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: the next title shot?

705
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: All right, So assuming that we're going to just say

706
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: give it to the Brazilian, here's probably the best opportunity

707
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: you could give it to Yan Yan versus Numberkamado.

708
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: Oh dude, that is a perfect fight to make Umar

709
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: show us a little bit deeper that he belongs and

710
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: deserves it. Yeah, I mean, because we still need to

711
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: see a little bit more umph offensively out of Umar.

712
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: We've seen the full complete game.

713
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he tried to. Basically, if you think of Sanhagen

714
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: as a bomb, he tried to lightly diffuse the bomb. Yes,

715
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: but there wasn't like some great demonstration of offensive skill

716
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: in that way.

717
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: Jan Yan will make you fight.

718
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: He will, and he's going to go for it, you

719
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like he takes risks during the

720
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: middle of a fight, So you could go that direction

721
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: if you really wanted to. However, the opposite is also

722
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: true BC, if you really wanted to, you could go

723
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: Umar for the title shot, and then you could go

724
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: Figuredo versus Yan. And by the way, that fight also

725
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: fucking bangs. Both of those fights are incredible, are they not.

726
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: This division is so fun. I love it. I love

727
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: the high end of it. I love the mid end.

728
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: I love all the end mich end. Yeah, it's hard

729
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: to go the low end. Theory great, one of the greatest.

730
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: I mean, really that that that started the rap jazz

731
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: era in so many ways.

732
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just pointing out, like people trying to

733
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: make the case that Figaredo's resume is like vastly better.

734
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: It's three wins, none of which are as good as

735
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: the one win over Corey Sandhagen. So if you wanted

736
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: to give it to Figaredo. Fine, but I think we

737
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: should stop pretending like it's like he's Tony Ferguson on

738
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: some twelve fight winning streak and he's deserved it at

739
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: this point and it's long overdue. That's really not the

740
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: case here.

741
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: Connected to this somewhat, what do you think about Henry

742
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: Sujudo threatening to go back down to Flyway.

743
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he's almost forty, Like, I don't really care

744
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: at this point.

745
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: Is he a threat to the Flyway title?

746
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: In your no, no, you don't.

747
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: Like Pantosia against him, I don't hate it, but to

748
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: win that if he can make that way.

749
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: I understand after he beat Dominic Cruz, I understand why

750
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: Suhuda was like, man, I don't really want to fight

751
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: for peanuts, and I don't really want to do this

752
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: right now. I want to just do something else. As

753
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: a decision for your own sanity or for standing on principle,

754
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: I get it, given the state of the industry, as

755
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: a decision to advance your career prospects, it was calamitously

756
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: bad and so you lost all that time and now

757
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 1: looks like he's trying to make up for it and

758
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: it is too late, so I don't have a strong feeling.

759
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: I had a deal chat with Eric albera sine that's

760
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: coming out tomorrow on my solo channel, and we talked

761
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: at length about that Henry Suhudo decision. The one to

762
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 2: sit out about whether coach regrets it now and what

763
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: he thinks that may have done me.

764
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: Give me a little nugget, A little nugget.

765
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: He would have wanted him to stay acting.

766
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I listen, But.

767
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: He also put he also put out to that Henry

768
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: had things in his personal life that he had to

769
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: that he had a want and starting a family.

770
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: Was fair, fair enough. I can understand it. I'm just

771
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: saying it didn't do anything for his professional interests. Yes,

772
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: but I've done great wonder for his personal needs and

773
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: that's fine. But now it's like I'm thirty seven million thirty.

774
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: He gave them a boutique brand in a way, though,

775
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 2: doesn't that Isn't that like raise your price at two

776
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: division ext I.

777
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: Think giving away the last years of your early thirties

778
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: as a professional decision is not good.

779
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 2: I wish he could have got the Volkanovsky chance to

780
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: be a three division champion.

781
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: I don't think that that ain't happening.

782
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: No, no, right, Vulcan not on top. But back when

783
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: that window was there, I wish he would.

784
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: Have see you mentioned something. And I want to talk

785
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: very quickly about Ray Longo having an impressive array of champions.

786
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: Let's go through this here very quickly, Matt Sarah, Chris Widman,

787
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: Al Jamaine Sterling, Brob Dawallas Wheeley. When we talk about

788
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: gyms that have multiple champions like at Att for a time,

789
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: certainly AKA had a bunch all at once, but this

790
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: is truly dynastic from Ray Longo, where you have the

791
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: Matt Sarah era basically ending leading into where Chris Wyman

792
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: came shortly thereafter, leading into Ali Jim in Sterling's time

793
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: to rise, and with almost not quite but almost a

794
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: direct handoff from Sterling now to Morob Dude. I realized

795
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: that those two guys do a lot of work in

796
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Wyman's down in South Carolina has been it's

797
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: not all just one guy, and of course all these

798
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: guys are talented, but for their formative training years to

799
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: be spent with Ray Longo and for ray Longo to

800
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: have this kind of success generationally through MMA is out rageously,

801
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: outrageously unusual and one of the most impressive things I've

802
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: ever seen any MMA coach do in the history of

803
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: the sport.

804
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: It's a tribute to the culture that you create to

805
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: have a powerhouse system that can evolve over time like that,

806
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: because you have to evolve as a coach. And look,

807
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: it's not all him, like who's the head coach? Who

808
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: is the head coach?

809
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: So John Wood, okay.

810
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: And so it's part of the thing. But what Ray

811
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: Longo seems to have built there in Sarah with him

812
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: in the beginning is that culture of winning, of getting back.

813
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it's on fucking Long Island. We bring Long

814
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: Island Luke here. I mean, this is your shit. Who

815
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: I mean, who else besides Billy Joel is putting that

816
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: stamp on that island anymore? Shout out to Long Island MMA.

817
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 5: Ray Longo the goat.

818
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: It's all he had to say.

819
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: I guess rules Luke for that very insightful contribution.

820
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 5: I mean, I was on Mora man, I had a

821
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 5: clean sweep of betting this week.

822
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: I was, oh, do you know what he does on

823
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: his podcast? The Main Card minute? He it's a threat

824
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: to the audience. If Long Island Luke has a clean

825
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 2: sweep of perfect betting, he will smoke the the Mike Tyson,

826
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 2: what do you call it gravity bong?

827
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: No?

828
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it's a it's an email. It's like for

829
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 5: hash oil, So.

830
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: You connect it to your bong and you put the

831
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: hash oil in. He did that live on his podcast.

832
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 2: Do you think that'll raise the potential?

833
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: What time is your show on the Drafteds network?

834
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 5: I don't know, DraftKings hit me.

835
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: Up, dude, him and Gaff doing bong reps on a

836
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: podcast talking Mma. I'm kind of into that.

837
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: Their entire show is just uh is just RSD?

838
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: You know the comments section of our YouTube Morning Combat. Yeah,

839
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: that's what his podcast is. Yeah yeah, basically just misogyny

840
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: and racism. Yeah, it's it's great, yeah, b C.

841
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: Any final thoughts on Ray Longo?

842
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: I love the man? Can we get him back on

843
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: the show asap? Please? Can we get him in the

844
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: studio for about an hour and a half? Would you

845
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: like to do that one day?

846
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: Here?

847
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: We can do it again, I'm sure. All right. Let's

848
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: go to question number two. Our co main event of

849
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: the evening, Valentina Chefchenko, what can you say again, just

850
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: kind of ran over Alexa Grosso, winning an easy unanimous decision,

851
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: getting every single round on every single judge's scorecard. BC.

852
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: Are you surprised in their third meeting that it was

853
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: as one sided as it ended up being.

854
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: Yes, shocked because this goes against the grain of what

855
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: typically happens in these situations. It's like, for as close

856
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: as shift Chenko came in that second fight, which was

857
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: a draw and was a very kind of like technical

858
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: classic and great, you know, great adjustments from both throughout,

859
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: but she came really close. And now we were asking

860
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 2: her to go to a third meeting, but sit out

861
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: a year because you're build that you're filming the ultimate fighter,

862
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: and you're setting this up for the next note And oh,

863
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: by the way, you'll have turned thirty six, is that

864
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: what she is?

865
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: Thirty se Oh, she's thirty six. Now, she'll be thirty

866
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: seven in April.

867
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 2: So you'll, you know, you'll be deep into thirty six

868
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: when the fight happens. We don't talk up enough what

869
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: Devison Figuredo did coming back after I got finished by

870
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: Moreno to win back the title at thirty four at bantamweight.

871
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: This is thirty six and a half here at women's flyweight,

872
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: where this division is as deep as ever, and this

873
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 2: is one of the most decorated champions, one of the

874
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: all time greats. But this doesn't happen like this her

875
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: to go against the grain and not just win this fight,

876
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,479
Speaker 2: but to go fifty to forty five deservedly on all

877
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 2: three scorecards, a clean sheet. So I don't want to

878
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: hear anybody about, oh, this was boring, it was too

879
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: much wrestling, or the combination of this and morob ruined

880
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: the sphere event and improved it was a financial device.

881
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: Stop stop with the madness. This was a historic, brilliant performance.

882
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: In most cases, the younger fighter surges, if not just

883
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 2: sometimes for youth, or when a matchup is so close

884
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 2: that inevitably every meeting will stay close until the older

885
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 2: fighter declines. Luke, there was no declining on Saturday, because

886
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: she figured it out as what the great veterans do

887
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: to be as efficient as possible. She also look improved

888
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: on her striking, meaning Valentina her counter hooks. Her boxing

889
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 2: counter hooks completely bamboozled Grosso almost the same thing we're

890
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: talking about, O'Malley in the first two rounds, and really

891
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 2: round one particularly on the feet, just getting just giving

892
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: you the feeling like there's nothing she can do. Dude,

893
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: Grosso on the feet was completely out of her element

894
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: in this one. And then that led to the success

895
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: that Valentina had on the ground and on top. And

896
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: while I certainly give credit to the maxi of Grosso

897
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: to put herself in positions where she was close to

898
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: a submission or at least had a big threat of one.

899
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: Although if you listen to Rogan, every time they touch

900
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: Valentine is in trouble and in danger. What was up

901
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: with that?

902
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: That was one of his I usually one of these

903
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: that was all time bad calls from him. That was

904
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: one of the worst Rogan performances I've ever heard.

905
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: Every time he's like, look at there's the joke. It's

906
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: in Oh, Valentina is in trouble.

907
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: She all appreciate, we all appreciate how successful he's been

908
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: and what he's done for Mma. He sounded mega washed

909
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: on this broad Maybe he.

910
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: Took it too many edibles because of the Sphere experience.

911
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: I mean, we were there in the.

912
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: Problem cast the first stone, but that was all time.

913
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: Just to close the point, Luke, this wasn't supposed to happen,

914
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 2: and she not only did it, she did it easy

915
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: and efficient and brilliant and raised parts of her game

916
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: in the process. We don't deserve her. MMA doesn't deserve

917
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: somebody this freaking great and dedicated, this level of a

918
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: professional who afterwards said, I'm glad we didn't need trash

919
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: talk to sell this fight. I'm glad it was about this.

920
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: So I hope people respect this because that was real

921
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 2: MMA on Saturday.

922
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: Here is what is amazing to me about this fight. BC.

923
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: It's the you could say while O'Malley got run over,

924
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: and he did, but that was the first time he

925
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: fought morob This was the third time that Alexa Grosso

926
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: has had to face this fighter in a row, by

927
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: the way in a row, and this was by far

928
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: the worst she looked. And what really blew me away

929
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: was what was the big change from the first to

930
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: the second fight. Chevchenko got rid of the spinning attacks

931
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: because that was making her back vulnerable, and then really

932
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: leaned into the wrestling in the second fight. Right, we

933
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: saw that there was a big physical difference between them,

934
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: the strength, So that was what she did in the

935
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: second fight. You had to know, as her team, you

936
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: had to know that they were going to go back

937
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: to that in the third fight. Now, maybe this much,

938
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you had to know it was

939
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: going to be absolutely critical to what they wanted to do.

940
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: And her takedown defense got worse, and her ability to

941
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: scramble off the bottom got worse. She declined in her ability.

942
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: Dude, when does that happen in a fight like at

943
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 2: this deep into a rivalry us, the older fighter completely

944
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: falls apart. It never happens.

945
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: This is what is amazing to me. It was the

946
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: third crack she had. She had twenty five minutes in

947
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: that third crack. There was a big gap in time

948
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: between the second and third fight. Your opponent is close

949
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: to thirty seven years old and you got rough housed.

950
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: There are two explanations for that one. Grosso just did

951
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: a poor job. I mean, I'm just there's no I

952
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: don't know if the moment too big, but her preparation

953
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: for this was deeply inadequate. There's just really no too.

954
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: You don't if this was the first time they fought,

955
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: I'd be like, well, you just got beat by a

956
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: better person, and she did. But this is a better

957
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: person where like you knew exactly what they were going

958
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: to do. You've had multiple tries at it and it

959
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: got worse over time. That is incomprehensible. Then the third

960
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: the second thing I'm going to say about this is, dude,

961
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: we just have to make it. It probably already was true

962
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: before this fight, but BC, I think the hardest thing

963
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: to do in MMA is to win a UFC title

964
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 1: and then maintain it. That is, keeping a streak alive.

965
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: Like I saw people being like, oh, O'Malley lost it

966
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: after one defense. That's actually more common for UFC champions

967
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: than the opposite. It's actually rare to get a street going.

968
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: But to me, the second hardest thing to do is

969
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: to lose your title. Time elapses and then you get

970
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: it back later. That is one.

971
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: That's it.

972
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: Valentina Schevchenko is at worst, at worst the third best

973
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: women's fighter of all time. That's the worst place she

974
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: could occupy. I think it probably goes to mend Nounez.

975
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 1: I do think that Cyborg probably occupies the second space

976
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: because when she was in Strikeforce she defended her title

977
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: four times, and in Victa three times, UFC two times,

978
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: in beltwore five times. It's a level of dominance that

979
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: is simply absurd, however, for Chevchenko to do what she

980
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: has done at Women's one twenty five, all while young

981
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: contenders are emerging the entire time to wrestle it back,

982
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: quite literally, and to get better, firmly, firmly, firmly, firmly

983
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: puts her top three all.

984
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: Time she's getting I mean, she's knocking on whatever door

985
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: she wants to. Because so here's the idea, Luke, is

986
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 2: there time for her to go beyond knocking on top

987
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: three all the time? Is there time for her to

988
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: make a run? I feel like it's it's been unfortunate

989
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: that she didn't get the third Newness fight, because you

990
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: can strongly argue that she should have been the bantamweight

991
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 2: champion that night. But Luke, what we saw right now

992
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: and what she still has, which is a lot, you're

993
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: gonna be tasked with this question, I believe. Do you

994
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 2: stay at one twenty five where there's killers come up?

995
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: I mean, Hurrigan's faroh is a hell of a fight.

996
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: You've got Blanchfield trying.

997
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: To retool her will be boring too.

998
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 2: You've gotten Rosnami Unis, You've got I mean, there's some

999
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: players in this here natell yourselfa is another one at

1000
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: this way, like there's legitimate fun contenders and they're gonna

1001
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 2: be tough, or because you're gonna be thirty seven soon

1002
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: and the window of history is usually short to get

1003
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: to like rare air, you gotta tell the UFC, I'm

1004
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 2: going to thirty five, and maybe there's a chance through

1005
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: there to not only add Kyla Harrison to her resume

1006
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: in terms of you know, the great facing every great possible,

1007
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: but maybe she gets the trilogy with Amanda through that,

1008
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: with the potential to becoming a two division champion, to

1009
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: really round out what's available to her, because obviously she's

1010
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: a rare duck. The longevity, it's not just the longevity.

1011
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: It's not just that she's been doing this for you know,

1012
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: back to her Multai career forever. I mean, this is

1013
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: a forget lifelong passion. I mean, damn, Look, if she

1014
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: could add a second division title and add those Hall

1015
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: of Famers and goats to her resume, and if she

1016
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: can come through there winning, then she's going to have

1017
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: that chance to actually retire as the greatest.

1018
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: That it seems unlikely.

1019
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: You wouldn't you chase it if you're her you got.

1020
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: There's no question I would chase it if I was her,

1021
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: especially with the time she has remaining, and she's maximizing

1022
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: it certainly at age thirty six. But a lot of

1023
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: factors beyond her control have to kind of play to

1024
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: her favor. Hard to know exactly how likely all that is.

1025
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you love to see her against Kyla, for example,

1026
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: just a style contrast.

1027
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Kayla's so big and strong. I think she would

1028
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: be one of the one of the few fighters whatever

1029
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: real physical advantage. Sure, However, on the feet, I think

1030
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: Valentina would light her up, and so that part makes

1031
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: it kind of interesting altogether. But I just think what

1032
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: Valentina showed was that was the I mean, that is

1033
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: championship moxie right there, right where it's like, okay, I'm

1034
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: gonna have to make by the way we're talking about it,

1035
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: like all she did was wrestle, but on the feet,

1036
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: the combinations and flurries at the end of or after

1037
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: the jabbing of Alexa Grosso, she looked lost there too.

1038
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: She bamboozled her.

1039
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: She absolutely shut her down. Yes, with a lot of

1040
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: wrestling and a lot oftop control one PC, but also

1041
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: attempts from the back and then on the feet. She

1042
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: kept it minimal, but on this we talk about they

1043
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: the good fighters, the great fighters. They make you fight

1044
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: on their terms. Yes, and she shut her down on

1045
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: the feet just long enough for her to be confused

1046
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,479
Speaker 1: and then for the takedowns to come Like that. Dude,

1047
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: this was a major humbling I think for Grosso and

1048
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: one of these moments where I really hope folks appreciate

1049
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: it will be very rare. You can watch MMA fights

1050
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: for twenty years. How many times have you seen a

1051
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,479
Speaker 1: UFC champion lose the belt and then get it back

1052
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: years later, especially past the age of thirty five. It's

1053
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: been done by Katur obviously, and he had to kind

1054
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: of go all over the place to do it. Now,

1055
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: Schevchenko has done it Stylebender just tried, could not do

1056
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: it at age thirty five, did it once after she

1057
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: lost it to that fight Agains Julian Painty. But this one,

1058
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: look who's doing it? Chevchenko couturns these exactly rare.

1059
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: Fighting back against Poeton. What the knockout was it?

1060
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: It's possible, It's possible. No, No, he did it, Oh right,

1061
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: right right, I'm sorry, didn't do it against Drakes, but

1062
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: he did do it against he already did that. So

1063
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: this is what I'm talking about. We're talking about the

1064
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: second best middleweight of all time, the top one three

1065
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: best women's fighters of all time, one of the best

1066
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: life heavyweight slash heavyweights of all time. Those are the

1067
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: only fucking people who can do this. That is it.

1068
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: And I really hope folks understand again, BC, I'm gonna

1069
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: ask you from a pure entertainment standpoint, was the pure

1070
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: entertainment was the comin event that great?

1071
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: I was entertaining. Look, it's not Entertainment isn't always by action,

1072
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: and it's like, we got a lot of action on

1073
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: this card. We got like that's fair, you know, rounds

1074
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 2: of the year and absolute brawls on this card because

1075
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 2: the main and comaane were technical and like there's a

1076
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 2: drama in watching Brilliants play out. There was a drama

1077
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 2: in watching Morob to see if he can keep throwing

1078
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 2: this no hitter and keep O'Malley away, and O'Malley tried

1079
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 2: to rally around five it wasn't enough. There was a

1080
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: there was a great sense of drama and entertainment to that,

1081
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: and I think in this Comaine seeing Valentina turn back

1082
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 2: time and do this, it wasn't overwhelmingly exciting, but that's

1083
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: what a veteran fighter should be. As efficient and smart

1084
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: and mastering the fine arts of all the foundational elements

1085
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: of this game as she has. She also seemed to

1086
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 2: be the more fit fighter at that age. I mean,

1087
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: she's just like a complete, well rounded legend. I don't

1088
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 2: get afterwards when Dana was like kind of crap it

1089
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 2: on the main and comin. He was putting out there

1090
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 2: that like, you know, we can spend all this mon

1091
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 2: on the sphere and we can do all these big things,

1092
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: but the fights are gonna be what they're going to be.

1093
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 2: And that's true. A promoter, you can make the best

1094
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: fight card ever on paper, but if it's duds, you

1095
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: take that blame too. But I would rather have him

1096
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: be like, let's talk about the brilliance of Valentina and

1097
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 2: Morob and where they fit pound for pound and did

1098
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: you guys see the craft and the heart they showed,

1099
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: rather than just being like, you know, too bad we

1100
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 2: didn't get the brawls. We hoped for it to close

1101
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 2: out the sphere. That's fair, right, I mean this was

1102
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: maybe I mean there's different kinds of fans, there's different

1103
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: reasons that you're watching it, and I'm not always on

1104
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 2: the MMA side. Looked at as a as a hardcore luke.

1105
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: People look at me as a white belt piece of shit,

1106
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: even though I got that hardcore love for it. But this,

1107
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 2: this was, I mean, how could you not be entertained

1108
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: by this?

1109
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: I will say this, I didn't mind it. I did

1110
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: a watch along for the Comane and Maine, so I

1111
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: was watching it live and I found it. I certainly

1112
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: found the main event entertaining. And I also agree with you.

1113
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: Entertaining doesn't just mean rock them sock them. Sometimes it

1114
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: can be drama, or it can be real subtle things.

1115
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: Ste you get into their career arcs enough. It's also I.

1116
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: Will push a little bit though, and take Dana's side

1117
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: a little bit. Take it the fact that Grosso looked

1118
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: much worse in the third fight and had no improvement,

1119
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: no answer, nothing that I'm not saying she didn't work

1120
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: on things, but if she did, it didn't show up

1121
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: at all. Took a little bit of the wind out

1122
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: of my sales on this one. I appreciate what Valcta did.

1123
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: I mean, look at from a business sense, we talked

1124
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: coming into the sphere card of if O'Malley finishes Morob

1125
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: and adds another name to his you know streak, is

1126
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 2: he the biggest star in the whole sport suddenly? Like

1127
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 2: you know, is he chasing McGregor? I mean, we had

1128
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 2: these outsized.

1129
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: Things to say by the way that went up and smoke.

1130
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,959
Speaker 2: It did, But so did the idea of you're doing

1131
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 2: no che and you know you're setting the stage with

1132
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 2: Grosco here in this trilogy for her to come over

1133
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 2: the top and win that rivalry and be the star

1134
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: of stars with the face up on the screen. So

1135
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 2: from a business sense, the two younger, more valuable brand prospects,

1136
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 2: you could argue kind of you know not kind of.

1137
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: They both underwhelmed in their performance in a big way.

1138
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: So do you think that's really fueling what Dana was saying?

1139
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: Probably? Probably I give Sean significantly more of a mulligan

1140
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: here because it was literally the first time fighting this guy. Yeah, Grosso, dude,

1141
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: this is your third crack. You gotta be kidding me.

1142
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: She showed Chefchenko showed her hand in the second fight

1143
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: about what where they were going to go? I even

1144
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: you can go back and watch my watch along. Right

1145
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: before the fight starts, I'm like, okay, what do we

1146
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: learn from the second fight? She went wrestling heavy, Let's

1147
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: see if she could add more ground and pound. But

1148
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: she's gonna go back to it, and then the first

1149
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: fucking thing she does is that, like, it's not It

1150
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: wasn't mystifying.

1151
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 2: Downgrading Valentina to a certain degree though and saying, Okay,

1152
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: what she did was brilliant and for her age, it

1153
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 2: was brilliant, but there was still an opening there for

1154
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 2: Grosso to overwhelm, encounter that and figure it out. Is

1155
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: that what you're saying.

1156
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying Valentina did everything she needed to to get

1157
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: the win. I cannot say the same for Grosso. I

1158
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 1: don't feel like, yeah, if I just I cannot understand

1159
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 1: how you can be a champion, know what your opponent

1160
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 1: is going to do, or at least have a pretty

1161
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: good sense of it, and then get worse at defending it.

1162
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 1: That is just very, very hard for me to understand.

1163
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 2: Seems to be a similar debake on about Burloanga from

1164
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 2: the Canelo fight. I don't know if you saw lou

1165
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: de Bello's aggressive tweets of saying.

1166
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: Like he was reading my mind.

1167
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 2: We're praising Berlanga for taking this beating and surprising us there,

1168
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 2: but he wasn't trying to win. I kind of disagreed

1169
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 2: that he thought he was still trying to win.

1170
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: But we'll get into that. I don't agree with that

1171
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: at all, but I will say this, we didn't talk

1172
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,919
Speaker 1: about it very quickly what should be next for Shan

1173
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: O'Malley because you mentioned what's gonna be next for Valentina

1174
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: in all likelihood of on Fierroau. She weighed in as

1175
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: a backup on Friday, just in case.

1176
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 2: A lot of balls. I mean, I mean, it's opportunistic,

1177
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: it shows your discipline, but is there a risk ever

1178
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: doing that?

1179
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: I think so. In fact, I know one fighter who

1180
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: got offered one of those for a title fight, and

1181
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: it was a shockingly low amount of money. Oh okay,

1182
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: So I don't know what the situation. Maybe maybe she

1183
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: got more for this one. I don't know, but okay,

1184
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be for fierro versus chef Chenko. That

1185
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: fight is gonna be super boring. I just have to heelp, folks.

1186
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 2: It is now, Yeah, but that's intriguing. On the NeXT's

1187
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: no his chest, but it is.

1188
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: It is, but it won't be it won't be action packed. However,

1189
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: the one that could be, and he called for it today.

1190
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: I think last night, even on social media, Corey Sanhagen

1191
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: wants a fight with Sean O'Malley, and I got to

1192
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: tell you, yes, please now make it. Whatever your problems

1193
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: might have been with Morob's wrestling heavy approach, I got

1194
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: a pretty good feeling BC. We won't see a lot

1195
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: of that in san Haagan versus O'Malley.

1196
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: Could that be a pay per view Maine in this

1197
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 2: era could be a Komaine. I wouldn't want it to be,

1198
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 2: but it's it's such a good non title fight that

1199
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 2: I'd see it in any way I could, illegally or illegally.

1200
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: That fight is can't miss material.

1201
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: That for both it would be such an important fight

1202
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: for both of their arcs right now, it would be,

1203
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 2: it would be that would be great.

1204
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: I think major redemption would be available on either side.

1205
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 1: This division's great, This is fucking amazing.

1206
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 2: Why are they putting Josie all Though into fights that

1207
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: we don't necessarily care?

1208
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: So that Bautista fight is actually a good fight?

1209
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 2: No, I get that these are and that these are

1210
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: giving answers to whether.

1211
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: It's on the prelim card. That's the part that's like,

1212
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: what the fuck are we doing here with this one?

1213
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: I know, would you wouldn't?

1214
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 2: Would you rather? I would rather see him against like

1215
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: legends like Dom Cruz or something and those type of

1216
00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: fun old guy fights.

1217
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 1: And hate it. I think if you don't have a title,

1218
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: take an old guy fights is great. The problem with

1219
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: Jones is he's taking an old guy fight with a title.

1220
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: Like if you've got a crappy pay per view in

1221
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 2: Brazil and you need like him to splash your comaine,

1222
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 2: don't put him against donks, some donk who's about to

1223
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 2: break through into the top fifteen to put them all.

1224
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: Right, let's talk about the rest of that card. Let's

1225
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: finally get to the Sphere BC. So we of course

1226
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: everyone knows we've been to the Sphere before. It was

1227
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 1: hyped as the greatest combat sports event of all time. Okay,

1228
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: it definitely wasn't that. I mean, that seems absurdly unrealistic

1229
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: and you can't really have that unless you've got some

1230
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: of the best fights of all time and you had

1231
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: some good fights on this card, but you didn't have

1232
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: that on this card. So I actually have things about

1233
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: the Sphere that I did not like on this show.

1234
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: But my basic question to you is this, did the

1235
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: Sphere live up to the hype?

1236
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 2: I think it did? And I know there's a lot

1237
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 2: of people that are going to push back on that,

1238
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 2: but you have to take what perspective are you looking

1239
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 2: at it to do? What is your experience before? Then,

1240
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,439
Speaker 2: if you've never been to the Sphere and you don't

1241
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: really know what to expect, and then you're trying to

1242
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: see on if you can somehow experience the same experience

1243
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 2: that everyone inside the Sphere is experiencing, Inevitably that's gonna fail. Yet,

1244
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 2: I've got to give the UFC nothing but credit here

1245
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: for being this ambitious, for delivering a truly unique night

1246
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: that we're never gonna forget. I mean, we're pushing them

1247
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: to do this type of stuff. We want stadiums and

1248
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 2: big things. I want them to go to Yankee Stadium.

1249
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 2: I want them to do stuff like that, you know

1250
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 2: what I mean. I've always want any promoter in boxing

1251
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 2: or MMA to do fun kind of crazy stuff like that.

1252
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: Stuff you wouldn't imagine. This was the ultimate example of that.

1253
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: If the argument is was it worth the twenty three million,

1254
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 2: I think that's a separate argument. If the argument was

1255
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: could we have taken this money and put it into

1256
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: better main events or Comain's here and there, that's also

1257
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 2: a separate argument.

1258
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: About Spanish speaking hologram Dana White.

1259
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: But if the argument was I want the UFC to

1260
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: do something truly unique and groundbreaking, and really, I mean,

1261
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 2: because you can have another conversation about what this does

1262
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 2: to sports broadcasting in the future, and Dana talked about

1263
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 2: in the postfight press conference about what this is going

1264
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 2: to do to arenas moving forward and how everyone's going

1265
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 2: to have to adapt their technology to be cutting edge,

1266
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: and how they're going to present this. I thought the

1267
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 2: UFC took this as serious as possible. They brought in

1268
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 2: like award winning directors and She's like they, I mean,

1269
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 2: they went for it, And I thought it was a

1270
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 2: truly memorable, unique artistic experience. Those videos in between were

1271
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 2: insane and I could only imagine watching from home what

1272
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: it must have felt like again having been in there

1273
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 2: for a Debt and Company show and really really connecting

1274
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 2: with the art of it in the in the physical experience.

1275
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: I could only imagine what that was like for the fighters,

1276
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: for the people cage side, for anybody in there. I

1277
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 2: think this was a home run. It it reactivated a

1278
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 2: version of Dana that we've missed. Dana is always ambitious,

1279
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: it's one of his calling cards, but I think he's

1280
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 2: in this increasingly, in this Endeavor era, he's been, you know,

1281
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 2: unfocused on the things that we want him to be

1282
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 2: focused on and that we love about. He's always pushing

1283
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 2: the brand to next levels globally and oh you know,

1284
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 2: but he's putting his attention and power slap and and

1285
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: all these other things. But when he gets back to

1286
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 2: proving a point and trying its bad, I mean think

1287
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 2: there's no stone left unturned. They went for it, and

1288
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 2: it has to be adjusted based on your expectations. If

1289
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: you were hoping that from home it would look like

1290
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 2: something that would change your life, it's not going to

1291
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 2: be the case. But on an art scale, like they

1292
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 2: went after it and and I'm glad they did. This

1293
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: is kind of pushing combat sports, which when Dana rips

1294
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: on boxing, I get mags. I'm a pure boxing guy.

1295
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: But he's never wrong when he talks about how behind

1296
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 2: boxing still is in its presentation, you know what I mean, Like,

1297
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 2: what's the difference now between you know, the boxing you

1298
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 2: saw on TV in the eighties, Like not much? Really,

1299
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: he would he say, the only change was HD Like yeah,

1300
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: he's actually kind of right on that.

1301
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: It's not totally unfair.

1302
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: It's not it's not so I I enjoyed. That's why

1303
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 2: I liked that year that I was on that Ring

1304
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: City USA Boxing series. And so they tried some things.

1305
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 2: We were in the we were in the wild Card

1306
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,959
Speaker 2: parking lot of Freddie Roach's gym. We were at the

1307
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: old San Juan on the edge of the ocean. We

1308
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: were at the national uh, the Puerto Rican National Team Center,

1309
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 2: like we we went to some cool play West Point

1310
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: Jim for the Army Academy. This felt like that. It

1311
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 2: felt like, okay, let's let's take a chance. I don't

1312
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 2: think it's sustainable. I think that's why Dana White afterwards

1313
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,479
Speaker 2: was saying, did you do you subscribe to that? What's

1314
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 2: the email substack of what used to be Bloody Elbow.

1315
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: I just started reading the free stuff and now it's

1316
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 2: making me want to subscribe. They had really good coverage,

1317
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 2: I thought on the build to this sphere card, particularly

1318
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 2: about pushing the idea that that there's pushback at endeavor

1319
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 2: for Dana's ambition with this specific event. And obviously you

1320
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,439
Speaker 2: can hear Danny's talking. I think he hopes it wins

1321
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 2: an Emmy, A Grammy, a Tony. I think a lot

1322
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 2: of things in one night. It seems to be a

1323
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 2: big landmark moment that he was trying for his own resume.

1324
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 2: But I think that they did a good job of

1325
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 2: potentially spelling out from a business sense, what this all means.

1326
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna do it again anytime soon,

1327
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 2: because I don't know if you can justify spending this

1328
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 2: much money. But they hit a home run. It's proved

1329
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: me wrong, me wrong.

1330
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: Here because I am so enthusiastic about it. I do

1331
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: want to talk about the parts of the show I

1332
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: think did not work. So first things first, the prelim card.

1333
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: They barely used any of the technology at all. Long Island, Luke,

1334
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: you would agree the preliminary card. They changed the background

1335
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: I think two times, maybe three at most, and that

1336
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: were they were fine, but there was nothing special about it, right.

1337
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 5: No, they didn't use it at all. They changed it

1338
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 5: briefly before the Norma dumont irene Aldana fight, but they

1339
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 5: just like changed the color.

1340
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: It was really nothing.

1341
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 5: It left a bad taste in my mouth.

1342
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally underwhelmed. So I agree that like not doing

1343
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: They didn't have to do as much on the preliminary card,

1344
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: but they did almost nothing, and it definitely was like, well,

1345
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: this is underwhelming. So that was one thing I would say.

1346
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 2: But isn't that a tease toward the pay per view

1347
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 2: of like, if you spend the money, you'll see this.

1348
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: I don't think they had to do too much more,

1349
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: but they probably should have done a little bit more

1350
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: than they did. They went like all and nothing, you know,

1351
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: So that's one thing I would say. Secondly, they sound

1352
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: was a little bit different. Now this one's a little

1353
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: bit of a wash because you could hear the strikes

1354
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: and my setup at home, I could hear the strikes

1355
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: much better, but I could also hear the cornerman yell

1356
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: a little bit more.

1357
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 2: It was a little hair well yelling at morob.

1358
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I was turning it down by that

1359
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: point because I was doing a watch along.

1360
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: Oh you didn't hear the debate about over coaching and how.

1361
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: I was talking over it. So I missed all of that.

1362
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I went back and watched a little bit

1363
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: of it today. But I can understand folks being like

1364
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: the sounds a little different, that's true. The lighting in

1365
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: the cage I thought was fine, but not quite as

1366
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: good as it is traditionally where they have a you

1367
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: know what they've got, they've got that apparatus that they

1368
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: put over the cage where they can really get it

1369
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: dialed in fair enough, they were dealing with a number

1370
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: of technological challenges. I didn't think it was terrible, but

1371
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was as good as normal. So

1372
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: I think some of these things definitely kind of brought

1373
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: it down. The last thing I would say I thought

1374
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: was a fair criticism of it was they did six chapters.

1375
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: Not all six chapters of the story were equally good.

1376
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: In fact, some were vastly better than the others. The

1377
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: last of those, chapter six, which was the one right

1378
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: before the main event the main event backdrop, looked cool

1379
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: when it was finally there, but the story they told

1380
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: were like this Larra cross Woman is like tumbling through

1381
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: the air. That didn't work. That just didn't work for me.

1382
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what that was. However, what I would

1383
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: say is the one they did for the Dia delos

1384
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: Puertos was insane, fucking incredible, incredible what that one was.

1385
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: So it wasn't a perfect show, That's not the argument.

1386
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: And I will also agree that the venue is not well.

1387
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 2: Didn't it prove that that venue is not perfect for

1388
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 2: combat sports? They as hard as you could, you could.

1389
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: Do a good job there, but it's not ideal for it, certainly.

1390
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: And again, the last thing I'd say is was it

1391
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: the greatest combat sports of end of all time? No,

1392
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: that's just a silly nonsense thing. But did it live

1393
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: up to the expectations that I had? Did it deliver

1394
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: something unique, brilliant, at times, beautiful, utterly unlike anything else

1395
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: you've seen before? Without question it did. And I know

1396
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who had this divorced dad

1397
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: energy on the internet where nothing pleases them anymore and

1398
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: they can't find any joy in the world.

1399
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 2: To do a clip about that, yeah, they.

1400
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: Can't find any joy in the world, But these are

1401
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: not people that, like you, should hold in high esteem.

1402
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: You can have criticisms of the show while recognizing that

1403
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: the broader effort was actually pretty fucking spectacular. The vast

1404
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: majority of it did work. The people in attendance, from

1405
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: what I can tell, really had a good time. By

1406
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: the way, one thing to notice, I didn't see any

1407
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: fights in the in the arena. I didn't see an

1408
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: people fist fighting like they normally do at the whatever

1409
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: venues that they tend to go in.

1410
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 2: Aw when you're at a venue like the first time

1411
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 2: this was.

1412
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: This was part art show, it was part fight and

1413
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: does every part of that work, No, not necessarily.

1414
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 2: But the other side of the argument that people will have,

1415
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 2: and it's the right, is that they thought the fight

1416
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 2: was the fight card was over underwhelming on paper, and

1417
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 2: then because the main and Comaine were tactical, grappling based affairs.

1418
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what to say about that. You got

1419
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:53,919
Speaker 1: the opening fight with Rodriguez and Osbourne was crazy, kind

1420
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: of fun.

1421
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: That was crazy fight. The Esteban Ribovich fight.

1422
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: Zel Huber and Ribevic's fight was fucking banana.

1423
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 2: And there was another one before that that was similar

1424
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: like that.

1425
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: By the way, how about Bob Mondez that's knocking out

1426
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: Torus on the preliminary card that was sick as hell.

1427
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: Then Diego Lopez and Brian Ortega. That one went to

1428
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: a decision, but that was pretty fun.

1429
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 2: Then they said, Chewie Wi's all over there.

1430
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: He looked, Okay, he looks fine. But the point I'm

1431
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: trying to make was, yes, there were again the criticisms

1432
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: of the card, which we knew coming in, weren't altogether unfair.

1433
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: I do think if they ever go back. I know,

1434
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: I saw some folks being like, they should go back

1435
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: every year. I don't know about that.

1436
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 2: I don't think it's worth it.

1437
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if I agree with that either.

1438
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 2: I didn't know. Space becomes more man like. They're so early,

1439
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 2: Like remember when laser discs came out, and it was like,

1440
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, my dad got a laser disc player.

1441
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 2: But the movies are one hundred dollars each. So yeah,

1442
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 2: that's not sustainable.

1443
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: It's not sustainable. But the point I wanted to make

1444
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: was they tried listen, if the UFC is not going

1445
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: to spend the money on the fighters, spend the money

1446
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: on us, Spend the money on the show that we're

1447
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: paying for, Spend the money on one bringing, not trying

1448
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: to dress up a bad card again. If they do

1449
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: this again or something like this again. Yeah, they should

1450
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: do it for u a Max Holloway versus an Iliot Toporia.

1451
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: They should do it for a if he ever gets

1452
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: back a Connor McGregor and John Jones's probably his way out.

1453
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: But something like that really match it to a high

1454
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: moment in the sport. But without question, BC, the UFC

1455
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: pulled off something beautiful, something rare, something I would say

1456
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: rather magical. And one more point I want to make

1457
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: about this. Yeah, one last point. They kept saying that

1458
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: this was going to be a love letter to the

1459
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: history of Mexican fighting, but I think it was much

1460
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: more than that. This was a love letter to the

1461
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: people of Mexico, to Mexico more generally. They're the more

1462
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: I learn about Mexico over the course of my life,

1463
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: the more I realize, dude, this is a very deep,

1464
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: rich culture that most people frankly know fuck all about.

1465
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 1: I know very little. They try to tell an enormous

1466
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: story with the tools that they had available. It was

1467
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: so much more about Salvador Sanchez or Canelo Alvarez or

1468
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: even JCC. It was more than about those guys. It

1469
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: was about a certain kind of people, and they had

1470
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: guy all Garcia Bernal who's a famous Mexican actor who

1471
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: did the narration and the point he made about, dude,

1472
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: even on our flag, a serpent is fighting a fucking eagle.

1473
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: Our flag features a goddamn fight. I got chills listening

1474
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: to that. So when people degrade what they actually turned in,

1475
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that your marriage didn't work out very well. Truly,

1476
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if.

1477
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 2: You can't miss that. They're that the debate, which I

1478
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 2: don't agree with their side, but I do think it's

1479
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: connected to something larger, and it might be.

1480
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: The dimplaints about the card quality.

1481
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 2: No, it's connected, I believe to the larger disnification walmartification,

1482
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, of what the UFC

1483
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 2: has become in this endeavor era where it's become you know,

1484
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 2: uber corporate. Let's I think in people. I think in

1485
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 2: people's eyes it's sort of a like, this is the

1486
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 2: the well, this is the totality of of what the

1487
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 2: endeavor era is where they've got their hands in WWE

1488
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 2: and entertainment and all these other things. This is it

1489
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 2: on full power. But I thought it was artistically a

1490
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 2: ten out of ten, and I love the ambition, and

1491
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 2: I thought they pulled it off well. But I could

1492
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 2: get though the argument that might say, hey, guys, what's

1493
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 2: the difference between this and you know, Eminem showing up

1494
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 2: at the Turkey boxing card and Period Triller with Metallica?

1495
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 2: That it was done so no, Look, I'm telling you

1496
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 2: I agree with you. It was done artistically, so tastefully,

1497
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 2: with this spirit, with the noteche dude, the Saudi Arabia

1498
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 2: read season stuff that we had complained about wasn't overbearing.

1499
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 2: It was like it wasn't really a thing, to be honest,

1500
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 2: although it was on the screen and they were the sponsor,

1501
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,479
Speaker 2: but that also financially helped make this work. I think

1502
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 2: it was a story worth telling, and they went after it.

1503
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 2: I'm here to tell you that I love fight sports

1504
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 2: to have a lane for this. But you're going to

1505
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,439
Speaker 2: get people that are going to say, doesn't this mix

1506
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 2: with water down match making of late and isn't this

1507
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 2: a larger thing of like, let's talk about this, This

1508
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 2: dirty sport I love in a cage is getting as

1509
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: much lipstick and Disney put on it as pop.

1510
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. Two

1511
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: responses I would have The Saudis have money, they don't

1512
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: have taste. Those shows that they put on are just

1513
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: extravagant orgies of lights and celebrity power, without cohesive vision,

1514
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: without any real artistic direction. It's just how expensive can

1515
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: we make this look without actually bringing something more substantu

1516
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: about it. I'll tell you a little story.

1517
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 2: Commercials you see.

1518
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: Let me finish my fucking point. Let me finish my point.

1519
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: This is your favorite thing to do? May I please finish?

1520
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 2: I thought we had a flowing back and forth.

1521
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: I would love to be would how can we be

1522
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: back and forth? If I can ever get it out.

1523
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: Let me let me just make a point to you.

1524
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 1: Let me make a point to you, if I may please.

1525
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen BC, I went to Bea Route to

1526
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: go see where my mom was from. I've never been

1527
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: there before, and you might recall we don't know a

1528
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: lot about Bay Route, but you will know that it

1529
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: was war torn and a lot of it was just destroyed.

1530
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: Not the entire not the entirety of it, but a

1531
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: large part of it. A big part of the rebuild

1532
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 1: was funded by some of these like Gulf State oil money,

1533
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: you know, Petro States. You know what they built in

1534
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: the parts where they rebuilt Old Lebanon. They put a

1535
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: clock tower that was sponsored by Rolex. They put facial

1536
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: clinics out on these old promenades next to Roman ruins.

1537
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: The point I'm trying to make is they can put

1538
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,759
Speaker 1: money into things, they don't put anything interesting into things.

1539
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: So when the UFC makes a story about the history

1540
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: of Mexico and Mexican people and tries to tell it

1541
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: to you in a quick but interesting way, do you

1542
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: not agree that that is radically different than being like, hey,

1543
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: here's eminem, We're paying twenty million dollars to just show

1544
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: up and ride to us.

1545
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 2: It's more tasteful, ambitious, and I think it works better

1546
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 2: than just hey we're triller. We got Metallica, you know,

1547
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 2: and like it's like okay, but like I want my fights.

1548
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: That's point number one. But here's point number two. I

1549
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: would love to know what you think about this one. Yeah.

1550
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: The second point is, again we talked about this. I

1551
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 1: don't think the criticisms of this card on paper are

1552
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: being like this is not enough are unfair, especially with

1553
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: you have like you know, like like Osborne Rodriguez was

1554
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: a fun fight, but like why is that on a

1555
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: pay per view card? However, this is the point I

1556
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: want people to understand. I get asked all the time, Hey,

1557
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: what's the problem with UFC monopoly Guys? They have built

1558
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 1: a business model that means maximum production of content at

1559
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: all times, Road to UFC Contender Series, all the Fight

1560
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 1: nights on the road, all the Fight nights at home,

1561
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: all the pay per views. They're just pumping shit out

1562
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: the door constantly, and there's nobody who can make them

1563
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: change this by virtue of showing you something different. I

1564
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: don't mean to be blunt about it, but this is

1565
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: what it is. Cards can be better or worse BC.

1566
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 1: On the margins, you can get a two ninety nine

1567
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 1: and a three hundred. Hell even two nine eight was

1568
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 1: pretty good, but then the rest of the calendar year

1569
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 1: is kind of suffering as a consequence. My point being

1570
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 1: is I think there's a reluctance to accept what the

1571
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 1: reality of UFC monopoly does to the product. It does this,

1572
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: so dressing it up is not a fix to the

1573
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: product BC, but it's a welcome addition to whatever we're

1574
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 1: just going to get by what's big.

1575
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 2: So you're basically saying, as we already know, we're in

1576
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 2: this corporate era it is what it is. But at

1577
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 2: least this is using the wealth and the resources for

1578
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 2: something advancing and different and new. Yeah again, I said,

1579
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 2: I agreed with you from from the artsy side of it,

1580
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. I was just kind of given the

1581
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 2: countertake of the people and then, you know, like you

1582
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 2: yelled at me and it got weird, and I.

1583
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 1: Was like, it's weird. I just want to get my

1584
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: point out sometime.

1585
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 2: Well, you have a channel for that, and you do

1586
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 2: a great job on it. Sometimes those long winded takes

1587
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 2: bleed into this show.

1588
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: But you know, buddy, you got no fucking ground to

1589
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: stand on about long winded takes, my friend, yours are

1590
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 1: hardly parsimonious.

1591
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they all, you know, they all, they all

1592
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 2: end with a bank.

1593
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 1: Are we missing any other argument about the sphere Long Island, Luke.

1594
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 1: Are we missing any other argument about the sphere about

1595
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: people not liking it?

1596
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 2: No?

1597
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 5: I just want to say I was kind of one

1598
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 5: of those people who is underwhell.

1599
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look at you, but share the feeling.

1600
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 2: What are you feeling?

1601
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: Again?

1602
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 5: I think I was just a bad taste in my

1603
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 5: mouth from the prelims because the first five fights.

1604
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:06,560
Speaker 1: Were not great, they did not do they did not

1605
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: do something special with that, but uh, the main was cool.

1606
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 5: But again, you know, I started to get more intoxicated

1607
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 5: as the fight.

1608
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 1: Yeah pay Less, I mean the guy was smoking hash.

1609
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: Watching this podcast, we dial back the sincerity some of

1610
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: these criticisms BC elsewhere on the card very quickly. Yeah,

1611
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: Diego Lopez. Is he a legit title contender at one

1612
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: forty five?

1613
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 2: He is?

1614
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 3: He is?

1615
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 2: I thought it was aggressive when he ran up to

1616
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 2: day and went was like, give me the shot now.

1617
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 2: But at the same time, he went out there against

1618
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,560
Speaker 2: the number three guy and absolutely brought it to Ortega. Unfortunately,

1619
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 2: it exposed where our take is at. You know, we

1620
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 2: wondered if he could build a run off of that

1621
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 2: yeah year Wind, which kind of you know, was another

1622
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 2: Ortega comeback special, and was this opening up a new

1623
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 2: light for him. He still can get in top shape

1624
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 2: and he still has the ambition, Luke, but he's just

1625
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 2: there to be hit and you're not going to sustain

1626
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 2: against these killers like that. Lopez was aggressive as Shitty

1627
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 2: was trying to make a statement, it seemed, and I

1628
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 2: was here for it, even with you know him in

1629
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 2: that second round having to recover from the Stanama dump

1630
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 2: of how fast that first round was. All in all,

1631
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 2: it was a thorough mature step through performance. We got

1632
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 2: to take this guy super serious in this division, like

1633
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 2: he's showing that.

1634
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: Now, what's next for Brian Ortega? Hard to say, right.

1635
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 2: You know, older guy not completely old guy fights, but

1636
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 2: older guy fights.

1637
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 3: Uh for.

1638
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 2: There could be a reinvention there, but again, like I

1639
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,560
Speaker 2: want to see the commitment to the defense in the

1640
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 2: head movement, you know what I mean? Like, imagine, imagine

1641
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 2: what he looks like with that didn't I know it

1642
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 2: was it was induced mostly by the style matchup, But

1643
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 2: do you remember that fight he put on the Korean Zombie.

1644
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 2: We just look like and I know it's when you

1645
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 2: have those speed advantages, it's easy to come out and

1646
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 2: style on a guy and suddenly look like you're, you know,

1647
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 2: a crafty boxer. But when he commits to that, he's

1648
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 2: you know, he can be, he can be super elite

1649
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 2: in a couple different areas. There's still that reckless side

1650
01:12:58,200 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 2: to his game that's just never I don't you know,

1651
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 2: it's too late, Luke. I don't think you can teach

1652
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 2: the old dog new tricks. It gets fun to watch

1653
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 2: it's ship, but.

1654
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 1: He kept stepping in hard and then uh, Lopez would

1655
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 1: just plant and counter and we're coming in. He did

1656
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:15,639
Speaker 1: it over and over and over again. It's like, deez, man,

1657
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 1: he just wasn't learning from He.

1658
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 2: Had tried to almost attack the fan as he was walking.

1659
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:20,719
Speaker 3: Fan.

1660
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 1: Dude said, some ship these guys heckling. First of all,

1661
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: the guy just lost a fight number one. And by

1662
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: the way, who even knows like what state he was in.

1663
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: He got his ship rocked a couple of times, and

1664
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: then you'd be like that or something to the effect of, like,

1665
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: that's why Tracy's not we they dude, fucked that guy. Yeah,

1666
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: fuck that guy. Bad night for yasmine. How to get

1667
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 1: really fucking bad night? She was promised to us. It's

1668
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 1: like the next big thing in nexticing mma.

1669
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 2: That was an incredible finish.

1670
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: And then lastly, do we have the Daniel ze Huber

1671
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: recovery whatever the hell he turned in against Rebevic's That

1672
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: was in.

1673
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 2: What is that the Round of the year Fight of

1674
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 2: the Year contender, just you know, a middle card insanity

1675
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 2: of the year moment. It was one of those moments

1676
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 2: that I think that was like the prime part of

1677
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 2: this of the sphere lukeless like it was before the

1678
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 2: artsy movies and stuff. But I feel like that was

1679
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 2: the heart of core of what people wanted in that building,

1680
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 2: that Mexican style war between those two young, hungry guys,

1681
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 2: and they they got it, man, they got.

1682
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 1: They certainly did. All right, let's turn our attention. We'll

1683
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 1: come back to some UFC a little bit later.

1684
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 2: Real quick. Did you hear John John Jones was there?

1685
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 2: Did you hear in some interview he said they said

1686
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 2: with the Steepe fight more than more than likely. Is

1687
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 2: that public negotiating or not? I hope it is. But man,

1688
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 2: he keeps doubling down on that ship.

1689
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you now, if it really is going

1690
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 1: to be the case that the step A fight is

1691
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: the last one, I'm looking forward to it. Just moving

1692
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: on from like, let's just fucking be done with this ship.

1693
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,679
Speaker 1: What a waste of everyone's time. All right, you see

1694
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: you were there, you were there at the Team Mobile.

1695
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: Give me a sense. How was the crowd at T

1696
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: Mobile that night? Seemed like on pay per view they

1697
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 1: were they.

1698
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,719
Speaker 2: Were late arriving. I felt bad for Stephen Phil Junior

1699
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 2: and the prelim main event in a good fight against

1700
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 2: Carlos Castro, those like, you know, two hundred people there,

1701
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 2: but yeah, they came for Canelo. The brand is still

1702
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 2: very strong from a no matter who the opponent is,

1703
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:12,759
Speaker 2: Canelo's fight and on one of the big holidays, should

1704
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 2: we show up? They showed up and they delivered, so

1705
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 2: fan wise, it was another homecoming of the favorite.

1706
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 1: Sun question for you. Canelo Alvarez basically had topic number

1707
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: four here Long Islands. Canelo Alvarez basically had very little

1708
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 1: trouble with Edgar Berloga. In fact, I scored it one

1709
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: twenty one oh seven. I thought he won every single round,

1710
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: but he did fail to put him away and he

1711
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 1: was a minus eighteen hundred favorite BC. Is Burlonga better

1712
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 1: than we thought? Or is Canelo underperforming?

1713
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 2: I hate to say it, but I think it's both. Okay,

1714
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 2: the big debate Loudebello had a big part in it,

1715
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,799
Speaker 2: and I always love Loudabella's takes, even if I disagree

1716
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 2: with him. Of we are aggressively saying, well, hey, I

1717
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 2: mean it was one. It was the lead to my story.

1718
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 2: My recap on CBS Sports was about you know, Canelo dominated,

1719
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 2: but it seemed like Edgar burlong got the very least

1720
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 2: won his respect and proved to some degree that he

1721
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 2: belongs here. But yet he did get absolutely dominated. Maybe

1722
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 2: our expectations were so low. Canelo was a twenty to

1723
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 2: one betting favorite, and our whole idea was, look, Burlonga

1724
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 2: might one day be worthy of this slot, but not

1725
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 2: right now. He hasn't proven it yet. So when I

1726
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 2: say a little bit of both, A big part of

1727
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 2: this I think was Burlonga is a big kid, and

1728
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 2: he came in and showed us a chin and a

1729
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 2: focus and a commitment that we hadn't seen before. He

1730
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 2: raised his game. There's not much you can say negative

1731
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 2: about Canelo at thirty four. He still got it to

1732
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 2: a high level. But I think the question, Luke, is

1733
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 2: how much does he still have? Would the Canelo of

1734
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:39,839
Speaker 2: three years ago? Would the we you know, when Canelo

1735
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 2: came up to one sixty eight a few years ago

1736
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,560
Speaker 2: and beat all those unbeaten champions in a row and

1737
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 2: became the undisputed champion in one year and was your

1738
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 2: rightful pomp for pound king. Yeah, I was starting to

1739
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 2: believe he could do anything, whether it be move up

1740
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 2: to one seventy five again, which he would do in

1741
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 2: the Bevall fighter. You know, even those threats, Luke, remember

1742
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 2: for that short season it was Canelo might go to cruiserweight.

1743
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 2: It was like at that point he was riding so

1744
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 2: much goodwill and success you didn't doubt it. It's caught

1745
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 2: up to him. But the question is how much, Because Luke,

1746
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:10,759
Speaker 2: now it's four straight decision wins. I think the beginning

1747
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,839
Speaker 2: of that stretch, there was that narrative for those three fights,

1748
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 2: the bev All loss, in the decision against glove can

1749
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 2: in the third fight, and Ryder where he had the

1750
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 2: hand injury, but he was staying active regardless, but he

1751
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 2: wasn't able to train at the full level, so we

1752
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 2: got like seventy five percent Canelo. I wanted to argue

1753
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 2: after the Charlo fight that he turned it back up

1754
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 2: to one hundred percent Canelo. That, Okay, maybe he's not

1755
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 2: twenty eight year old Canelo anymore, but he's still in

1756
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 2: the midst of that tail end of that pound for

1757
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 2: pound prime. It's like hard to argue that he's still

1758
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 2: not in that when you saw what he did and

1759
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 2: the pressure he put on Berlanga and just the output

1760
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 2: at the age and the command he had of the

1761
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 2: ring and that beautiful knockdown on that left hook in

1762
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 2: round three. But at the same time, yeah, I do

1763
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 2: think even with the hand injury behind him, we're seeing

1764
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 2: the natural slowing down of a great, great fighter who

1765
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 2: still has it to a great degree. But I don't

1766
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 2: think we're wrong as a public to urge, especially after

1767
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 2: this fight, to urge and push for him to do

1768
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 2: more for us from a matchmaking standpoint. And I also

1769
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 2: think we have to be realistic moving forward. I don't

1770
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 2: know how long he can keep up this, but I

1771
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 2: do see a fighter who, you know, if this was

1772
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen Canalo, he probably gets that Burloga out of

1773
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 2: there in round six or seven, regardless of how tough

1774
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 2: he is. Right, we're seeing us a little bit of

1775
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 2: that slowdown, you have to say it now, from Charlo

1776
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 2: through Mangia, which I know we differ on the value

1777
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 2: of that performance and all of that, but that was

1778
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 2: still a prime Canelo in May to a large degree.

1779
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 2: Do you echo what I'm saying that we can praise

1780
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 2: him for an absolutely dominant performance over Burloga but also

1781
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 2: find some of those holes. And I love his commitment

1782
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 2: and his ambition to stay great, but we can't have

1783
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 2: this conversation without talking about the matchmaking.

1784
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So here's where I'm at on this. By

1785
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: the way, how did you score it?

1786
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 2: I gave Burlanga the first round was a completely uneventful

1787
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:01,640
Speaker 2: round and then the So it's ten rounds to two,

1788
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 2: and I I was generous to London first round.

1789
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: I can understand last round. I probably would not agree,

1790
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 1: but okay, it doesn't matter. Like Canelo and he got

1791
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:15,759
Speaker 1: the knockdown in round three. I feel very conflicted about

1792
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,640
Speaker 1: this because we really like Canelo on the show like

1793
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 1: he is. It's been a joy to cover his career,

1794
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 1: but I feel like I'm taking crazy pills whenever he fights.

1795
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 1: More recently, he noticeably takes fights that he is not

1796
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 1: supposed to or at least are certainly out of what

1797
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 1: is expected of someone who holds this many titles. He

1798
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: had all four, now he's got three. The odds are

1799
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: always dramatically stacked in his favor. It was a minus

1800
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 1: eighteen hundred favorite over Verlanga. I didn't think Burlonga was

1801
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 1: gonna make it past round six. He did get dropped

1802
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: in round three, and then he lasts, and then the

1803
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 1: narrative afterwards is well, Burlonga's better than we thought. No

1804
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:01,839
Speaker 1: he's not, No he's not. I will say he is huge.

1805
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 1: The guy looked enormous relative to Canelo. He can easily

1806
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 1: tr to.

1807
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 2: Put on like he rehydrated twenty five pounds.

1808
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: It's insane how big he was. So I can understand

1809
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: to an extent why Canelo couldn't put him away. I

1810
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: do get that. But I didn't see anything other than

1811
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 1: a little bit of determination from Burloga that was impressive

1812
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: to me. Like, what was your favorite offensive sequence from

1813
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 1: him during the course of that fight. I can't even

1814
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: think of a single one.

1815
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 2: I thought the best moments he had offensively, he got

1816
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 2: cornered way too often, like the Canelo at wack that

1817
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 2: was cutting off the ring and just putting him where

1818
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 2: he wants him. I thought Burlonga, whenever Canelo would start

1819
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 2: to heat up in those moments when he was cornered,

1820
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 2: did well to plant his feet and throw back some

1821
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 2: big rights. And they weren't always landing, but there was

1822
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 2: enough power there were Canelo had to respect it and

1823
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 2: that would give him some air. But I don't know

1824
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 2: if I disagree with the people that are aggressively saying

1825
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 2: he never tried to win, though, Luke, I just think

1826
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 2: he was out gunned, and I do think there was

1827
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 2: part of him that thought, I'll get a moral victory

1828
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 2: here if I go the distance and show my toughness.

1829
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,719
Speaker 2: And it's not like there's not value in that. People

1830
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 2: respect him a lot more after this. I don't think

1831
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 2: it plucked him up on the elite level, but he's

1832
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 2: going to get elite level fights after this. Yeah, I

1833
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,839
Speaker 2: man him against kleb Plan, who won on this undercard,

1834
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 2: would be a hell of a fight. But I think

1835
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 2: it's a little bit of everything. It's a little bit

1836
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 2: of Burlonga overachieved in that category. Canelo did look great,

1837
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 2: but it's also a it's an aging Canelo there, Did

1838
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 2: you see that?

1839
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 1: I think Canelo looks good in the first five six

1840
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 1: rounds and then he doesn't look terrible in round seven

1841
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:34,600
Speaker 1: through twelve, but he looks rather pedestrian. And this is

1842
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 1: what's driving me nuts. After our little disagreement. I do

1843
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: think Mongi is better than Berloga. You would agree with that,

1844
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 1: right for sure. Mongi is better than Barloga. I've went

1845
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 1: back and I looked at when the fight was booked.

1846
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 1: What were people saying on some of the places that

1847
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 1: I read boxing scene, bad left hook, you name it,

1848
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 1: and everyone was like, really, he's fighting this guy, he's

1849
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 1: hand picked, He's cherry picked. Then after the fight, the

1850
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 1: narrative is, Wow, Mungia is so much better. Canelo is

1851
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: raising the stop of people that don't have that don't

1852
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 1: have the right to have their stock raised at least

1853
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 1: this much. And he's doing it because he's at a

1854
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 1: stage in his career where.

1855
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 2: He buried the stock of Dremal. To be fair, that's Drmals.

1856
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: Because he really underperformed hit it there, Long Island. Luke,

1857
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: Here's what I feel like we're getting. I feel like

1858
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 1: we're getting the Harlem Globetrotters of Foxing. I feel like

1859
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 1: we're getting the Globe trotters versus the Washington generals where

1860
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 1: he's setting up fights where they're not like fixed. That's

1861
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: not what I'm saying. But you know, he can show

1862
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 1: a little razzle dazzle. He can spin the ball on

1863
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: his finger when you ask me about the he can

1864
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 1: put it between his legs. He can do the whole bit,

1865
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: and everyone everyone wants to come to see the show.

1866
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say. When you asked me

1867
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 2: about the crowd, it felt like it felt like a

1868
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 2: rock concert crowd. It felt like people that we're just

1869
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 2: happy to pay to see Prime Canelo on Mexican Independence

1870
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 2: they weekend. So he is from a marketing standpoint, from

1871
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 2: a commercial standpoint, leaning hard into that. I'm in the

1872
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 2: late part of my career. I'm almost like this touring act.

1873
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll lead did that all over the world

1874
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 2: in between, still striving to fight for the title. But

1875
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 2: we're running to a point where, you know, the act is.

1876
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 2: I mean, we gave him this year, Like I don't

1877
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 2: shot on the Mongia fight because of monkey as unbeating

1878
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 2: record at that point, and he had won some big fights,

1879
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 2: and look, he tried to win that whole fight, you know.

1880
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 2: I mean, Luc and I can debate on Twitter all

1881
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 2: we want, you know, as how Canelo's reveal of that

1882
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 2: he did carry Mongi in that fight. I think he

1883
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 2: carried him from the idea that he didn't want to

1884
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:28,560
Speaker 2: finish him. He wanted to let his countrymen go to

1885
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 2: the distance and have his moment. But let's be honest,

1886
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 2: Canelo is fading a little bit. Boy, can he still

1887
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 2: bring it. He's a showman. He can raise his game.

1888
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,560
Speaker 2: But obviously the question comes now is who is he

1889
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 2: going to fight next? Here's what I didn't like. I

1890
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 2: didn't like that he didn't have an outward plan ready

1891
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 2: in a name ready. Terrence Crawford was there. Terrence Crawford

1892
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 2: actually hopped from ringside at Canelo and then suddenly he's

1893
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 2: right next to Turkey Ali Sheik ringside at the sphere mean,

1894
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 2: Kendrick Lamar. What I don't like is that Canelo took

1895
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 2: that I told you so tone and said in the

1896
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 2: post fight interview. You know what are they going to

1897
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 2: say now? They said I won't fight younger fighters, And

1898
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 2: look what I just did. Don't do that, big read,

1899
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 2: don't do that?

1900
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is that?

1901
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 2: Don't do that?

1902
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 3: Like?

1903
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 2: The argument here is really and we bring up all time.

1904
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 2: I brought it up on the way in show and

1905
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 2: the press conference show with with you know, with all

1906
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 2: the smoke fight andre Ward and Berto and Durell of

1907
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 2: you know, does he deserve that? Has he achieved enough

1908
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 2: that he deserves not to call his own shots more

1909
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 2: than ever and almost have a late career Floyd run

1910
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 2: where it's like I'm not always going to give you

1911
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 2: what you want. I'm gonna play my hits, but then

1912
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:33,719
Speaker 2: I'll sneak in and still give you the big ones.

1913
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 2: Is that just what this is? Or were those comments

1914
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 2: from Canelo just showing that like maybe he doesn't get it,

1915
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 2: Like is he starting to, you know, love the smell

1916
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 2: of his own farts, as you would say, and living

1917
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 2: in a vacuum of no one's going to tell me

1918
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 2: what to do. I'm Canelo because the decisions he make

1919
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 2: moving forward, I think to some degree will have a

1920
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 2: lasting effect on his legacy. You know, now's the time,

1921
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 2: Let's fight Bytavidas or let's fight Crawford. Now's the time.

1922
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 2: What type of patience will the audience have moving forward now?

1923
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 2: Mike Coppinger ESPN did report leading up to fight week

1924
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 2: that a conversation he had with Canelo said that canelos

1925
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 2: watching closely bev All better beav and that he specifically

1926
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 2: specifically only he said better Beaf's too big, but he

1927
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:16,759
Speaker 2: said he specifically wants to fight Bevall in a rematch.

1928
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 2: If Bevall becomes the undisputed champion. That's not the fight

1929
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 2: we want, but that is ambitious enough. But is there

1930
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:28,720
Speaker 2: Here's I guess what I'm asking overall, Is there a

1931
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 2: chance that does lead us to the to the Benavidaz fight?

1932
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 2: If Canelo's mine, that he's gonna because Canlo Canelo looks

1933
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 2: back and says that he was very flat against Bevall.

1934
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 2: I mean it may have been the case, but just

1935
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 2: he fought a better, bigger fighter in the end. Could

1936
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:42,799
Speaker 2: he win a rematch? You gotta argue that for yourself.

1937
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 2: I don't know, but if he did, he'd be the

1938
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 2: undisputed champion and the next guy up would be David

1939
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 2: Benavidez at light heavyweight. So maybe that's a road to

1940
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 2: get there. Or maybe it's Canelo saying I'm gonna get

1941
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 2: to Benevidez eventually, but I'm gonna do it on my terms,

1942
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 2: and my terms is I want to have I want

1943
01:25:58,520 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 2: to be the champion going into that fight.

1944
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: He's never going to fight David Benavitez, and it's time

1945
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 1: to let that little imagination go. He's never going to

1946
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: fight him. It's never gonna happen. He will never fight him.

1947
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 2: Understand, you can't justify that because if his complaint is

1948
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 2: the rehydration, you just fought a dude, a young dude

1949
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 2: who just rehydrated to one to ninety three.

1950
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 1: All of his arguments about why he can't or shouldn't

1951
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 1: fight David Benavidez completely fall apart given who else he's

1952
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:21,639
Speaker 1: fought in under what terms like fighting COVILEVT won seventy

1953
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: five and everything else. Dude, he's never going to fight

1954
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 1: David Benavidez, And the bivil call out to me is

1955
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 1: so utterly ludicrous. I can't believe people are even entertaining it.

1956
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 1: Here's what he's doing. He's taking fights that are well

1957
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 1: beneath his level. The burlonga fight, just an opponent who

1958
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 1: has no like. At no point was there any intrigue

1959
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 1: in that fight about whether or not Berlanga could do

1960
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 1: anything to him. Nothing went around. If he was lucky

1961
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 1: he was one twenty one oh seven on my scorecard.

1962
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 1: Then he wants to go back to a fight where

1963
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 1: he has no hope. Right, you got the a fresher

1964
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 1: version of Canelo already lost to Bival now one that's

1965
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: even older, with more on the tires. Grant, he hasn't

1966
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 1: had like grueling fights per se, but he certainly is older. Now.

1967
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 1: That's gonna do better against a still surging Bivall, who,

1968
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 1: by the way, Billall's got work against better Being.

1969
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 2: With Foul's getting older too. We gotta be honest, okay,

1970
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 2: But and he's got work against better Be.

1971
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 1: He's even gonna be ready on any kind of timeline

1972
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:16,639
Speaker 1: where it matters for for Cinco de Mayo.

1973
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 2: But it is the biggest fight Bell could have, probably

1974
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:21,639
Speaker 2: with the exception of of Benavitez. But I think Canello

1975
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 2: is a bigger fight of it.

1976
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 1: This is my this is my thought. He's bracketing. He's

1977
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 1: taken fights that are way too easy, or he wants

1978
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 1: to take on fights where it's hopeless for him to win,

1979
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 1: and he can say, aha, you see, I I even

1980
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 1: tried to get this. It and the fights that he has,

1981
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 1: the weight classes where he has belts against the opponents

1982
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:43,600
Speaker 1: he should be fighting Benavidez. You can even Morell's at

1983
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 1: one seventy five now. But Morell was kind of in

1984
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 1: that conversation, the mandatory he was in that conversation, he's

1985
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:53,480
Speaker 1: missing all of those. To me, it is not impressive

1986
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 1: to take on a challenge you have no hope of winning. Yeah,

1987
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:57,560
Speaker 1: this is too much control right now, if this, but

1988
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 1: this is what you you nailed it. The sanctioning bodies

1989
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 1: won't strip him yet because he's Canelo. The fans, I'm

1990
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 1: not gonna say that they don't care who he fights,

1991
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 1: but if they're still going to pay for pay per

1992
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 1: views and sell out the team mobile, what incentive does

1993
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 1: he have to take the fights?

1994
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 2: He did prove somewhat stubbornly. I think what he wanted

1995
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 2: to on Saturday that Okay, of all the official potential options,

1996
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 2: this is the one you guys wanted the least, but

1997
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:20,759
Speaker 2: this is the one I want because it's very sellable.

1998
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 2: It's Mexico versus Puerto Rica. Will do it on the holiday,

1999
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 2: and you know, we'll see what this young kid has.

2000
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 2: He proved that they're still going to come out. There's

2001
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 2: this sold arena twenty thousand and it was rocking, and

2002
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 2: there's he's still in that window where people just want

2003
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 2: to see him. They just want to see him. It's

2004
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 2: at the expense of the division. He's holding up three

2005
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,560
Speaker 2: of the four titles for sure, But I think he

2006
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 2: proved his point stubbornly that like, I'm still that guy,

2007
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 2: I'm calling the shots, but it will be diminished returns

2008
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 2: commercially moving forward until he makes that challenge. So is

2009
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:52,799
Speaker 2: there a challenge available outside of Crawford, Benevetez or Befall.

2010
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 2: There's nobody, I mean, he's not doesn't seem like he

2011
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,639
Speaker 2: has any interest in Morrel. So yeah, there's no backup.

2012
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 1: Sorry interrupt. Could he fight the bigger Charlo?

2013
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 2: Yes, but the bigger Charlo is gonna have to come

2014
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 2: back and re establish in a fairly big way. Right,

2015
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:07,679
Speaker 2: But yes, he could fight.

2016
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 1: The bigger Charlo. That is at least possible.

2017
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 2: That would be the best thing that I wuld think

2018
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 2: the PBC can do. Get Big Charlo back and active

2019
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 2: and see what we have here. Right, And there's a

2020
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 2: lot of questions another fight. I have no interest in,

2021
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 2: zero none, I have not a not a fucking hint

2022
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 2: of interest. I'm with you in Canella fighting Big Charlo.

2023
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 2: I'm with you. It's got a man.

2024
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 1: Very quickly, Stu Crawford, just do Crawford.

2025
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 2: We would shut up right now, right.

2026
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 1: I would take Crawford. I would take Crawford Kendrick lamar

2027
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:31,879
Speaker 1: b c very quickly. Is this the end of Danny Garcia?

2028
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:33,640
Speaker 2: Yes? I think it should be, and I think he

2029
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 2: showed that with with the the inability to throw, and

2030
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 2: there's you know, those are one of the big telltell signs.

2031
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 2: One is the chanin if a guy's too old, right,

2032
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 2: But this was you know, it wasn't just the two

2033
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 2: years office, he said afterwards, this was this was one

2034
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 2: fight in four years that he had coming in, So

2035
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 2: the rust was there, and I think there was just

2036
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 2: an un he didn't trust himself enough to hit the

2037
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 2: trigger consistently and push offensively because Laura kind of stood

2038
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 2: right in front of him and had that quick counter

2039
01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 2: left to me, Laura. At middleweight, he's not fighting top competition,

2040
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:02,679
Speaker 2: but he's interesting, right, you know, because he's still crafty

2041
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 2: and he can sit down on his power. I mean,

2042
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 2: he took Zarafa out of the woodshed in that last fight.

2043
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 2: But it was disappointing to see the way that DSG

2044
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 2: went out because he's always been such an honest champion

2045
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:15,679
Speaker 2: and such a hard worker, and for anyone that wanted

2046
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 2: to criticize him or didn't like him because his dad

2047
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:19,800
Speaker 2: was loud and there were times that you know, they

2048
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 2: thought Danny was getting matched softly. In reality, though, I

2049
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:24,640
Speaker 2: think we look back and he more often than not

2050
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 2: would match himself very tough, but there was that stretch,

2051
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 2: the rod sockle fight, whatever. But I think through that

2052
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 2: we came to know who Danny is as a person,

2053
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 2: and I think his courageous mental health headlines the last

2054
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:36,560
Speaker 2: couple of years were very good as well. But he

2055
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 2: didn't have it and it was just sorry to see

2056
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 2: that so many rounds had to go by where that was.

2057
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 2: That crowd was booing the crap out of it. You know,

2058
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 2: it was becoming a little bit of a sore thumb.

2059
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 2: And luckily though after the knockdown, his dad a towel

2060
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 2: and got very emotional afterwards. And his dad just beat

2061
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 2: just recovered from a stroke. So there's a lot of

2062
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 2: heavy emotions there, but the dad did the right move.

2063
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 2: I hate to see, but he's got to go after this.

2064
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,639
Speaker 1: On Hew Garcia is a maniac and we were there Angel.

2065
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:07,560
Speaker 1: Come on, he goes by Angel, Okay, I mean I

2066
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:09,600
Speaker 1: read it on a paper and I just go to

2067
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:11,400
Speaker 1: if his last name is Garcia, I'm gonna say on hell,

2068
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 1: but you're right, Angel. Angel was a maniac before he

2069
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 1: fought Lucas Patissa. You remember that on the Canelo and

2070
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 1: Maywa Valentino dude. He was a fucking maniac rooting for

2071
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:22,679
Speaker 1: Danny Garcia, and sure enough Danny pulled out the wind.

2072
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 1: That was a great stoppage by his father. You rarely

2073
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 1: see that in this game. His dad clearly cares for him.

2074
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:30,599
Speaker 1: Good stoppage, last thing I'm gonna happen.

2075
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 2: And I think Danny's a Hall Famer by the way

2076
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 2: he's I think he's a borderline guy that should get.

2077
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 1: In, a Philly guy who I don't feel like Philly

2078
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 1: fully embraces by the way, I don't quite get that

2079
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 1: lasting on this the funnest fight to me on that card,

2080
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 1: KAYLEB Plant versus Trevor mc coombys really fun fight. Early on,

2081
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 1: Plant gets rocked and dropped dude MCMI maybe twice.

2082
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 2: His running start fake and then come through sorry fake

2083
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 2: with a wild left hand and then come through with

2084
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 2: the right cross was becoming a problem for Plant to

2085
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 2: pick up. And even though Plant was significantly better than

2086
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 2: this guy, dude, he was having legit trouble getting out.

2087
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 1: Of the way of that. He was very physically strong too.

2088
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 1: You could tell Caleb was having a hard time dealing

2089
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 1: with Just smart.

2090
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:07,560
Speaker 2: Is Caleb with Redman in his corner and caleb'sdad in

2091
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 2: his corner, Richie, that they were able to make the

2092
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,879
Speaker 2: adjustment that the only offense McCombe had that was approaching

2093
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 2: on the level of becoming a problem was those running combinations,

2094
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 2: so they just crowded him, made it in an inside game.

2095
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 2: This turned out to be a perfect resume builder for

2096
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,640
Speaker 2: Caleb's comeback here after eighteen months to return to the

2097
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 2: elite of one sixty eight because he showed a completely

2098
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,639
Speaker 2: different side to his game for the first time. And dude,

2099
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 2: he crowded the shit and made out of McCombe and

2100
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 2: made him largely ineffective. That was brilliant.

2101
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 1: Who should be next for Caleb Plant?

2102
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 2: I mean, he wants Canelo. He's gonna have to do

2103
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 2: more than that to get back in that sweepstakes. But

2104
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 2: I'd love to see him against Big Charlo if you

2105
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 2: get Big Charlo rehabbed and back in there. But I

2106
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 2: don't know who the obvious opponent is right now.

2107
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:51,599
Speaker 1: Do you? He bought Edgar Burlanga dot com and Edgar

2108
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 1: said he was going to suit him.

2109
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 2: Okay, that is the right opponent right now.

2110
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be mad at that.

2111
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 2: No, that is the right opponent. I mean, there's no

2112
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 2: shortage of people throwing shots at Kayleb Planner trying to

2113
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 2: get in line to take shots at him, it seems,

2114
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 2: but not all those guys are in his way classic

2115
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia. But uh it's but that was a big

2116
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 2: win for his brand, you have to admit, and he

2117
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:09,759
Speaker 2: like people love him.

2118
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 1: People to get Yes, you're so right. People are beginning

2119
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 1: to get on the Kayleb plant bandwagon, and I'm happy

2120
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,679
Speaker 1: for him. They like that he kind of stands on bidness.

2121
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 2: He does not back down. He's he shows he's a

2122
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 2: blue collar dude. Yeah, I think I think he had

2123
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:24,760
Speaker 2: a great night.

2124
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 1: All right, we got to move this along. Topic number

2125
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:29,880
Speaker 1: five will end here. Michael Chandler BC is now moving

2126
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,560
Speaker 1: on from Connor McGregor. He's going to be fighting in

2127
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 1: a rematch Charles Olavera on the as the co main

2128
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 1: event at the UFC three h nine show. This will

2129
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 1: be the John Jones step A card in November. BC

2130
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 1: simple question was Michael Chandler again he could fight him later,

2131
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 1: but for now he's moving on. Was it the right

2132
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 1: call by Michael Chandler.

2133
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 2: I think it was. I think it was because man

2134
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 2: all those rumors last week was that you know Connor

2135
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 2: would go in this direction or this. I mean, there's

2136
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 2: a you know, it was a it was a big

2137
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 2: cluster fuck. I don't know whose fault it is in, Luke.

2138
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 2: Was it that Connor could have pushed through the injury

2139
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 2: and should have just gotten that fight out of the way,

2140
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 2: or was it UFC trying to delay him is the

2141
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:09,680
Speaker 2: new theory of everybody because he's got two fights left

2142
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:11,599
Speaker 2: and they can use that on the new TV deal

2143
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:14,599
Speaker 2: as a sweetener. I don't know if I buy that either, Luke,

2144
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 2: because it seems like he could have just fought. But

2145
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:18,600
Speaker 2: I think this news ties in with the comments that

2146
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 2: we saw from Connor at the BKFC fight over the

2147
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 2: weekend too, which was, you know, him asking openly for

2148
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 2: UFC for a chance to box, for a chance to

2149
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 2: partner with them and do another big one, whether that

2150
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 2: would be what Canelo or pac Yah. I don't know

2151
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:35,639
Speaker 2: what they're thinking there, Luke. But if considering how uncertain

2152
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 2: this whole journey through tough, through everything with Connor has been,

2153
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 2: I don't I think this is perfect. This is absolutely

2154
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 2: perfect for Chandler. It's a great fight Bolster's the MSG card.

2155
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 2: In my opinion, it puts him back in title contention

2156
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 2: legitimately if he gets the win. I know Summers saying

2157
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:52,400
Speaker 2: he didn't he didn't earn it. You know, he's known

2158
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 2: of late for big losses. Right in big moments. You

2159
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,439
Speaker 2: can question. He's two and three and you can question,

2160
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 2: I guess in hindsight the full quality of those two wins.

2161
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 2: But he's been a company man. Luke give him this.

2162
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 2: I don't know what it means though for Connor, because

2163
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 2: some people are saying Chandler can still rematch or still

2164
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:09,680
Speaker 2: have the Connor fight anyway after the olivert does he

2165
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:11,639
Speaker 2: need to beat oliver to get that? Does a loss matter?

2166
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:12,920
Speaker 2: What do you think about Connor?

2167
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:14,439
Speaker 1: I think he has to win. I think if he loses,

2168
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 1: Connor loses interest. But the weird part is this fight's

2169
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 1: in November. You know, I'm not. I don't know how

2170
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 1: the Charles Olivera fight's gonna go. But the first Olivera fight,

2171
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 1: remember he got rocked real bad in the first round,

2172
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:25,800
Speaker 1: then he got finished off in the second. So I

2173
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:27,760
Speaker 1: actually I like the fight on those terms, I would

2174
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:30,360
Speaker 1: still favor Olivera, but I guess we'll see he's thirty five.

2175
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:32,720
Speaker 1: It's not like he's a spring chicken either, but you

2176
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:35,200
Speaker 1: know Chandler will be thirty nine up here coming soon.

2177
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got it. He's got a good dude.

2178
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. He burned two years Remember he after

2179
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 1: he beat Benson Henderson and he went to the UFC.

2180
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 1: He was thirty four years of age or a lightweight.

2181
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 1: You got one little chapter left to really make it work,

2182
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 1: and he burned.

2183
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:51,800
Speaker 2: Was this enough of a of a get well gift

2184
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 2: from the UFC for him being a company man and

2185
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 2: burning those two years waiting on Connor? Do you think

2186
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 2: he's getting overpaid?

2187
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 1: If he gets pay per viewpoints from this on a

2188
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:01,240
Speaker 1: John Jones card, then that's definitely pretty decent.

2189
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:02,559
Speaker 2: And a promise for a big fight winner.

2190
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 1: The proms a big fight, and he's getting a guy

2191
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 1: he could get redemption over. So there's that. Plus, dude,

2192
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:09,679
Speaker 1: Charles Lavera is I mean, he didn't look great against Soaryukian,

2193
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 1: but Chandler's not gonna pancake him for three rounds. I

2194
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:14,760
Speaker 1: mean he might do it a little bit, but he

2195
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 1: just is not that guy. So it stands the reason

2196
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 1: wild fight exactly exactly, and so to me this is

2197
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:22,880
Speaker 1: actually like a good fight to add to that card.

2198
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm just saying he waited and waited and waited and

2199
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:27,560
Speaker 1: waited and for what.

2200
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 2: Well. I think they probably told him if you beat Charles,

2201
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 2: he'll be in legitimate contention for the time.

2202
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 1: Okay, last question about this, right, that had to be.

2203
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 2: The conversation probably, But then where does Connor go?

2204
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 1: Okay, does Connor come back at all? Does he come

2205
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 1: back at all?

2206
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:45,599
Speaker 2: Yes, because he had he wants to do other things

2207
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 2: box BKFC right, he wants to do all this stuff.

2208
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 2: I think he wants to be done with this UFC deal.

2209
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 2: But then again, then why did he pull out if

2210
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:53,519
Speaker 2: he could have pushed through with that injury. There's a

2211
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 2: lot of stuff behind the scenes that we don't know,

2212
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:57,240
Speaker 2: and maybe we shouldn't know because it's all the private

2213
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 2: negotiation and pushing. But I don't know how to answer

2214
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:02,360
Speaker 2: this question. I think that Connor will inevitably have to

2215
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:04,600
Speaker 2: to try to get out of that deal. Do you

2216
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:07,639
Speaker 2: think it's related at all to the future TV prospects?

2217
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 2: I mean, Jeff Bezos of the MZON was at the

2218
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,559
Speaker 2: sphere with his wife and prominent in the front. They're

2219
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 2: gonna have a monster deal in some form whatever it

2220
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:16,960
Speaker 2: looks like, or they.

2221
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:19,720
Speaker 1: Split up the deal a little bit on Amazon, a

2222
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:20,639
Speaker 1: little bit on Netflix.

2223
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:22,960
Speaker 2: So do you blame Connor because there was a word

2224
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 2: that we heard that Connor could have pushed through with

2225
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 2: that fight.

2226
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 1: I think he could have pushed through. He did not

2227
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:28,680
Speaker 1: want to.

2228
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:31,160
Speaker 2: He's drinking everywhere every night. He's in a New State,

2229
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 2: serving at a bar.

2230
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:34,760
Speaker 1: He was on long on Luke's podcast. They were doing

2231
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 1: as together, right, How was Connor? He was great? Right, yeah, man,

2232
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 1: we got light.

2233
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 5: It was sick.

2234
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm just putting out like, here's what Chandler was doing.

2235
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 1: He waited and waited and waited. They booked it at

2236
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 1: three oh three. Connor fell out there like okay, we'll

2237
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:51,240
Speaker 1: do it in December, and then that didn't happen, and

2238
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, okay, fuck this. I'm not

2239
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:55,960
Speaker 1: going to go into twenty twenty five having not fought

2240
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 1: at all in twenty twenty four, and I think even

2241
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three to an extent, yes, punting two years away,

2242
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:05,400
Speaker 1: but dude, remember just remember this. Remember when they signed

2243
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:08,680
Speaker 1: to do The Ultimate Fighter, they didn't have a deal

2244
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 1: for the fight. Then they had a deal to coach

2245
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:13,479
Speaker 1: opposite one another. There was still no deal to fight.

2246
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 1: All of this to me has seemed very tenuous and

2247
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 1: thrown together, and the result ended up being that Michael

2248
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 1: Chandler punted away two years of the very very very

2249
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:25,920
Speaker 1: end of his not so much prime but peak earning years.

2250
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 2: Okay, I've seen a lot of people say they want

2251
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 2: Volkanovski versus Connor if you're gonna buy, if you're gonna

2252
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 2: move on from Chandler.

2253
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:33,599
Speaker 3: Them.

2254
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 2: I've seen some people saying maybe ball I I'll get them.

2255
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 2: But God, that would be you'd have the ball that

2256
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:40,800
Speaker 2: the promotion would have to have a set on them

2257
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:43,640
Speaker 2: to put him in a wall versus Connor. They might

2258
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 2: do that, though, you know what I did see.

2259
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:52,680
Speaker 1: I did see Volkanovsky versus Lopez thrown about. I don't

2260
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 1: hate it.

2261
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 2: I don't hate it.

2262
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:58,080
Speaker 1: I don't hate it. That's a fun one. There's so

2263
01:38:58,120 --> 01:38:59,479
Speaker 1: many good fights. Who can make it. And by the way,

2264
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:02,000
Speaker 1: don't forget Hooker still floating out there. He just had

2265
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 1: big win over Gamrat. He needs a dance partner too.

2266
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:07,800
Speaker 2: You're saying Canelo, I mean Canelo, God, Connor versus Hooker

2267
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 2: would be uh like the perfect shootout to see where

2268
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:10,200
Speaker 2: he's at.

2269
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 1: Dustin wants one more? How about Dustin versus Hooker?

2270
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 2: To the incredible telling UFC, I don't want Chandler. Is

2271
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:16,040
Speaker 2: that a part of this too?

2272
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 1: I don't think he was ever really all that interested

2273
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:20,120
Speaker 1: in that opponent.

2274
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, it seems like part of him is trying

2275
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:27,280
Speaker 2: so hard to show that he has leverage, which I

2276
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:29,000
Speaker 2: don't think he has anymore. So what do you make

2277
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 2: of him openly pushing for them to partner with him

2278
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 2: in boxing?

2279
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you got this on on?

2280
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 1: Have you seen this ship? But you saw the BKFC. Yeah,

2281
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:39,160
Speaker 1: he looks a little lost, if I could be honest,

2282
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 1: he looks a little bit. I mean, I think some

2283
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 1: of this he has brought on himself, with the drinking

2284
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:44,760
Speaker 1: and then the pinky toe, living the light.

2285
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 2: From what we see and what we hear, he's living

2286
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Speaker 2: the life.

2287
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:49,679
Speaker 1: This is what I don't get in. It's like, dude,

2288
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Speaker 1: you are clearly already in a stage of your life

2289
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Speaker 1: where you're just enjoying it. Stay there, yeah, stay there. Oh,

2290
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Speaker 1: these guys they have egos. They want to go do stuff.

2291
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Speaker 1: I don't care. It's not where your heart is, and

2292
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:04,479
Speaker 1: it's certainly not where your mind is. Stay there, go

2293
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Speaker 2: Or the record come against that and against all?

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01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 1: Right, with that in mind, let's see what the first

2338
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:14,880
Speaker 1: question is BC, Fire it up?

2339
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:15,719
Speaker 3: BC.

2340
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 2: A man in his cat says, that's my type of man.

2341
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 1: If the UFC was to do another Sphere show, who

2342
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 1: would you want to fight?

2343
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:24,760
Speaker 2: Good question, because Dana did say about the idea of

2344
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,519
Speaker 2: no Cha maybe moving to other areas like Texas or

2345
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:30,720
Speaker 2: or Arizona, or maybe Mexico, which is interesting. You could

2346
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:32,839
Speaker 2: do it no Chase show in Mexico City at that elevation,

2347
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:35,840
Speaker 2: bring Kaine out of retirement for redemption. If they did

2348
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 2: another Vegas Sphere thing, I want to see them go

2349
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 2: big and fill in the gaps of where people thought

2350
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 2: the matchmaking was underwhelming. It was a good ass card

2351
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:48,560
Speaker 2: on paper. Okay, I get the want for more, but

2352
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:51,600
Speaker 2: maybe sometimes people just want to play the hits with

2353
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 2: the old stars. I mean, Connor at the sphere makes

2354
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:56,040
Speaker 2: a lot of sense. Connor against anyone at the sphere.

2355
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:58,240
Speaker 1: Here's something to think about. Like obviously, something like this,

2356
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 1: if the sphere existed in thee there, you would do

2357
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:02,760
Speaker 1: it there. But the sphere is in Vegas. You have

2358
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:04,560
Speaker 1: to make it work. People were like, why do you

2359
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 1: have to have a no Cha theme? Well, you could

2360
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:09,280
Speaker 1: see you have to have some kind of unifying artistic direction.

2361
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 1: And I saw someone say you could do a love

2362
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:14,040
Speaker 1: letter to Japan. You could do that, but why not

2363
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:17,760
Speaker 1: a love letter to Brazil. Brazil is arguably, outside of

2364
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 1: the United States, the most important country in the history

2365
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:22,840
Speaker 1: of MMA. Certainly in the Ultimate Fighting Championship, you have

2366
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:25,320
Speaker 1: no shortage of fighters you could put on there. Yeah,

2367
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:27,479
Speaker 1: it would depend on exactly how you would structure the

2368
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 1: main event, because you would have to have in my view,

2369
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:30,360
Speaker 1: a Brazilian in the main event.

2370
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:32,360
Speaker 2: You're right, Connor, doesn't make sense. You're not going to

2371
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 2: tell the history of Ireland. You do have to have

2372
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:36,720
Speaker 2: a unifying story or it would never justify spending the

2373
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:37,320
Speaker 2: money to be there.

2374
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, or I mean you could do other ways. You

2375
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:41,040
Speaker 1: could do it all heavyweight card, you could do you

2376
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 1: know something. There's always to structure it. But I'm just thinking, like,

2377
01:43:45,400 --> 01:43:48,280
Speaker 1: you have so much Brazilian talent, Brazil is so important

2378
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:50,200
Speaker 1: Brazilians would travel to that kind of a show.

2379
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 2: Okay, then who's your Brazilian main inventor in that case?

2380
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:54,760
Speaker 1: Pa Data, Well, Let's see if I'll say this, if

2381
01:43:54,840 --> 01:43:59,680
Speaker 1: Olavera beats Chandler and you did OLIVERA McGregor, could you

2382
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 1: imagine that.

2383
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 2: That would be a killer?

2384
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:03,439
Speaker 1: And you're coming in Brazilian legends? Could you fly You

2385
01:44:03,439 --> 01:44:05,240
Speaker 1: could fly out the Nogaras, you could fly out the

2386
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 1: show gooms, you could fly out. I mean, there's just

2387
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:09,040
Speaker 1: an endless array of Brazilian which you.

2388
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:10,120
Speaker 2: Fly out the baron.

2389
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:16,080
Speaker 1: The barron former king could do? You see my point though, Like,

2390
01:44:16,160 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 1: there's just a lot you could do. There's a lot

2391
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:19,559
Speaker 1: all right next.

2392
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:24,680
Speaker 2: His own give that guy some love?

2393
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 3: Oh wa?

2394
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:26,799
Speaker 1: How about doing a love letter to Hawaiian I wouldn't

2395
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 1: want to put jap Penn on that card. I'm just

2396
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:30,320
Speaker 1: pointing out. Can you imagine Max coming out to Hawaiian

2397
01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:33,760
Speaker 1: kickboxer at the sphere? It'd be insane. Do you guys

2398
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 1: think next year's UFC noch event or Nochia UFC by

2399
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:39,519
Speaker 1: the way, will be in Mexico or Vegas? It should

2400
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:41,639
Speaker 1: probably be in Mexico, right, Okay?

2401
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:44,240
Speaker 2: So what type of But okay, so that that would

2402
01:44:44,280 --> 01:44:46,400
Speaker 2: mean divorced of the whole sphere idea. You're just you're

2403
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:47,240
Speaker 2: just celebrating note.

2404
01:44:47,400 --> 01:44:48,559
Speaker 1: We don't have to do that in the sphere again.

2405
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:49,800
Speaker 1: That was the one time thing. I don't need to

2406
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 1: do that again. And yeah, you gotta go to Mexico City, right,

2407
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 1: go to Guadalajara. You can go to a lot of places.

2408
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:56,800
Speaker 2: But what would be the main event that would make

2409
01:44:56,840 --> 01:45:00,000
Speaker 2: the most sense using a Mexican in it to Irish

2410
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,479
Speaker 2: Season two Saudi Arabian Fighters? How about that?

2411
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:07,479
Speaker 1: Let me think this through. Okay, you will want to

2412
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 1: take something. I mean, it's hard to know, like any year.

2413
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to know who's going to be the one.

2414
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:13,559
Speaker 2: I mean I think that's why it did. I mean,

2415
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 2: it doesn't hurt the UFC because you know, Morob's an

2416
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 2: interesting story in Valentina is a legend. But I think

2417
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:20,799
Speaker 2: they wanted Grosso to come out of here to continue

2418
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:22,960
Speaker 2: to be in the spot. And it doesn't mean she's gone, right,

2419
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:25,639
Speaker 2: you put her back in another high end contender fight

2420
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:27,800
Speaker 2: and she can, you know, fight her way right back

2421
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 2: into the title contention. But maybe that's what it is, Luke.

2422
01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:33,200
Speaker 2: Maybe it's her fighting whoever is champion at that point, right,

2423
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:34,400
Speaker 2: I mean, it wouldn't be Valentino.

2424
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:36,880
Speaker 1: Fourth time I have we didn't talk about it, but

2425
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:38,280
Speaker 1: I have zero interesting.

2426
01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:39,879
Speaker 2: So did Valentina by the way, Yeah, yeah.

2427
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:42,640
Speaker 1: She's right, She's right, she blanked her. If you win

2428
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:45,280
Speaker 1: fifty forty five on all three judges scorecards, then you don't.

2429
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:45,640
Speaker 1: It's over.

2430
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:47,439
Speaker 2: It's kind of like when Mark has knocked out Pakia,

2431
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:48,599
Speaker 2: when he's like, rivalry's done.

2432
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:53,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't argue with that exactly. Next Jimmy underscore

2433
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 1: read how far away is Raoul from ranked.

2434
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 2: Opponents ros Sauce or Marquez? Oh, Raoul Rosace Junior.

2435
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 1: Oh, I feel you'll both have different answers. The answer

2436
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 1: is extremely far.

2437
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:06,400
Speaker 2: Okay, But would you say that he's showing you maturity,

2438
01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 2: that he's trying to up his striking game and his

2439
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:09,519
Speaker 2: technique was better.

2440
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:11,560
Speaker 1: And so here's what I would say. I thought that

2441
01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 1: in terms like, okay, it was great for him to

2442
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:15,880
Speaker 1: get three rounds of experience number one, That was great.

2443
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 1: That was good too. He showed a lot of good patience.

2444
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:22,760
Speaker 1: He's showing much better patience overall. I like that. The

2445
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:25,960
Speaker 1: wrestling I thought was not that great from him. It

2446
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:28,920
Speaker 1: was okay, it was okay. The thing I noticed was,

2447
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:30,479
Speaker 1: and this is just a function of him being was

2448
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:33,200
Speaker 1: he nineteen. Still he got hit with a big shot,

2449
01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:36,479
Speaker 1: he would immediately try and land one back. Not great.

2450
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:38,439
Speaker 2: It's still young, very this is what I mean. I

2451
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:41,000
Speaker 2: mean here fights before nineteen right four a fight?

2452
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is my thought. My thought is like, what's

2453
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 1: the rush. He's nineteen. He can fight guys like this

2454
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:50,360
Speaker 1: for a good long while. Let's wait a little bit.

2455
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:52,760
Speaker 1: I don't I don't. Even if he could beat a

2456
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:55,240
Speaker 1: top fifteen guy, which I don't think he could, I

2457
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:57,679
Speaker 1: still don't. Yeah, yeah, I'll do it. I still don't

2458
01:46:57,720 --> 01:46:59,960
Speaker 1: think it's the right idea. I still think you should

2459
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:00,559
Speaker 1: give me some time.

2460
01:47:00,640 --> 01:47:02,640
Speaker 2: But he's the one who's advancing the timelines. To be

2461
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 2: very honest with you, Luke, from the standpoint that he

2462
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:07,599
Speaker 2: came out this week and said, I'm gonna be umar

2463
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:10,080
Speaker 2: you Marga Matov for the title, defended a bunch of

2464
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:13,280
Speaker 2: times and be out by twenty five. People always say

2465
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:14,760
Speaker 2: that young, A lot of young fighters say that. At

2466
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:16,760
Speaker 2: certain points, people ever back it up and just like

2467
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 2: walk out at twenty five.

2468
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:20,280
Speaker 5: No, no, all right, Next, we've gotta wrap this up

2469
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:20,840
Speaker 5: a little bit here.

2470
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:24,639
Speaker 1: Uh Zigg's best advice for a couple about to move

2471
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 1: in together, make sure, you're fucking a lot.

2472
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:29,639
Speaker 2: That's actually not bad advice.

2473
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:32,280
Speaker 1: But seriously, don't become roommates. That's the worse than you can.

2474
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:32,639
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2475
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean it's just just it's it's the

2476
01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:37,200
Speaker 2: same advice you give to marriage uncompromised, or maybe it's

2477
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:38,960
Speaker 2: different because marriage there seems to be more of a

2478
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:41,920
Speaker 2: lock in a hole if you're just moving in in

2479
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 2: sin as they used to say, Luke, you know, it's

2480
01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:46,800
Speaker 2: easier to get out of that. But you gotta you

2481
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:49,519
Speaker 2: gotta listen. Listen to remember that advice from Wesley Snipes

2482
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:52,360
Speaker 2: and white men can't jump listen to the woman.

2483
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:56,599
Speaker 1: Do the dishes, take the trash out. I always say

2484
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:58,040
Speaker 1: this to folks. There are studies that have been done

2485
01:47:58,040 --> 01:47:59,560
Speaker 1: that when women feel like they have to become the

2486
01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:02,559
Speaker 1: caretake of their husband, yeah, they lose sexual interest in them.

2487
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:04,479
Speaker 1: And that's when all the problems begin. They become to

2488
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:07,320
Speaker 1: just see them as like a liability rather than their child. Yeah,

2489
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:11,639
Speaker 1: they don't want that. Next and stem, what is one

2490
01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:14,000
Speaker 1: thing you'll never do again? Probably call boxing fights?

2491
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 4: Uh?

2492
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:19,120
Speaker 2: That well, that's sect me definitely, to be fair, that

2493
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:23,480
Speaker 2: nothing took my manhood like that, Luke. But it's hilarious.

2494
01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 2: You don't think you'll ever call another boxing.

2495
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:27,519
Speaker 1: I would like to, I just don't think i'll get

2496
01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 1: the opportunity.

2497
01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it starts with the belief in here, and.

2498
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:32,599
Speaker 1: You're right, it does. You're right, you're absolutely right. All right?

2499
01:48:33,240 --> 01:48:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, is there anything else, Luke that stands

2500
01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:36,720
Speaker 2: out that you did once you got amped up? You

2501
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:38,400
Speaker 2: tried it and you're like, man, never like, I'll never

2502
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:41,040
Speaker 2: ski because I could just see myself shattering my mind.

2503
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:43,880
Speaker 1: Our drugs, no interest, no interest.

2504
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:44,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you.

2505
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:46,360
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good on weed and that's it. I

2506
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:48,680
Speaker 1: don't need any other help. I'm good on it, right.

2507
01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:52,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what else I

2508
01:48:52,479 --> 01:48:55,320
Speaker 2: thought you were gonna say, like anal you know, three

2509
01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:57,719
Speaker 2: way with co workers, never again. You know it didn't

2510
01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:58,360
Speaker 2: go great, but.

2511
01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:00,479
Speaker 1: Boy, that Christmas party got really from there.

2512
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, sorry, Well I think we've I feel like

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Speaker 2: I always owe the DM from Donker, like a fair

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Speaker 2: effort in the question do you feel like that on

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Speaker 2: your podcast?

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Speaker 1: When you're that's try, that's try. I mean, sometimes the

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Speaker 2: It's hard to never piss you off, and you're like

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Speaker 2: Dude, I would love to wear Jackpocket merch if they're

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01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 2: out there listening.

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01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:45,680
Speaker 1: Oh is that right? That's a great name. Right, you

2554
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:47,920
Speaker 1: have already been jacketing your pocket. I mean that's something

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01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:48,519
Speaker 1: you've been doing.

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01:50:49,720 --> 01:50:52,759
Speaker 2: Speaking of weird shit, Luke, let's do it. I scoured

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01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:56,160
Speaker 2: the globe yesterday from the Charlotte Airport for the his

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01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:58,679
Speaker 2: and Low's. The four hour layover five and a half

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01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:00,719
Speaker 2: by the time we go there, the highs and lows,

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01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:03,720
Speaker 2: all that weather shit. This is viral videos of the week.

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01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:16,479
Speaker 2: I hope you saw it. Let's watch it. Who ah, Luke,

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01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:20,280
Speaker 2: let's go with Morob devash Willie taking over the damn

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01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:23,120
Speaker 2: sphere for himself at UFC three zero six on Saturday.

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01:51:23,439 --> 01:51:25,960
Speaker 2: First was his entrance off the bus. Luke, we should

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01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:26,639
Speaker 2: have saw this coming.

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01:51:26,760 --> 01:51:28,360
Speaker 1: I mean, look at this, another evident you don't get

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01:51:28,360 --> 01:51:29,320
Speaker 1: off the bus and lose a fight.

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01:51:29,479 --> 01:51:33,799
Speaker 2: Looking like the commitment to being himself, which is dialed

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01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:36,360
Speaker 2: up to you know, eleven in every category.

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01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:37,960
Speaker 1: Is wonderful. It is he is one of one?

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01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:38,479
Speaker 3: Is he not?

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01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:39,439
Speaker 1: He's one of one?

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01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:43,479
Speaker 2: Well in the cage man, he was taunting Sugar Sean throughout.

2574
01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:45,360
Speaker 2: Look at this, making fun of the basketball moves.

2575
01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:45,720
Speaker 3: This dude.

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01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:47,800
Speaker 2: This between this and the weird kissing on the back

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01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:50,479
Speaker 2: of the neck, I don't quite get that. I don't

2578
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:52,479
Speaker 2: quite get that either. But he was in Shawn's head.

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01:51:53,120 --> 01:51:54,360
Speaker 2: He was styling on him.

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01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:56,639
Speaker 1: He definitely he was loose the whole night man.

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01:51:56,760 --> 01:51:59,040
Speaker 2: Yes, But Luke, to the victor, go the spoils. This

2582
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:03,000
Speaker 2: post dance celebration between Valentina and Morob, with like all

2583
01:52:03,080 --> 01:52:05,160
Speaker 2: of the inner circle of UFC watching, I can get

2584
01:52:05,240 --> 01:52:07,120
Speaker 2: behind this wholesome fun and.

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01:52:07,160 --> 01:52:09,400
Speaker 1: It's a little bit different. I'm not I don't think

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01:52:09,439 --> 01:52:11,880
Speaker 1: I think the Kyrgyzstan dance is different than the Georgian dance.

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01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:14,639
Speaker 1: But they were rocking it. Yeah, they were making it work.

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01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:18,839
Speaker 1: I loved Black said this was his nine to eleven.

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01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:22,280
Speaker 2: God, did you see the celebrat I didn't add him

2590
01:52:22,280 --> 01:52:25,120
Speaker 2: on here, but the celebrations in Georgia after he won,

2591
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:27,519
Speaker 2: like people in the sand, like just I love that.

2592
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:30,320
Speaker 2: I love that ship. But Luke, I said to the victor,

2593
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:33,760
Speaker 2: go all the spoils. Morob also got to smack that

2594
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:42,519
Speaker 2: backside hanging out with Aileen Perez. This looks like an

2595
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:48,639
Speaker 2: OnlyFans collab, Luke, I don't know if we can show

2596
01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:48,960
Speaker 2: all of this.

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01:52:49,120 --> 01:52:50,080
Speaker 1: They're about to have sex.

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01:52:52,240 --> 01:52:54,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if this was before after the wind,

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01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:57,599
Speaker 2: but yeah, there you go, ok, that was. There's also

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01:52:57,680 --> 01:53:00,479
Speaker 2: footage of him at the post party. They had like

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01:53:00,600 --> 01:53:02,439
Speaker 2: a signed every sign with a different letter of his

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01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:04,200
Speaker 2: first name, and like, I mean, dude, this guy knows

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01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:05,240
Speaker 2: how to win and celebrate.

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01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:06,960
Speaker 1: It's a very vegus thing to do that that.

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01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:09,599
Speaker 2: Is elsewhere at the sphere, Luke. This was the moment

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01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:13,880
Speaker 2: of the night from Raboul Rosas. I can't believe he

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01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:17,920
Speaker 2: turned something so weird into like this endearing, cringed, weird moment.

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01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:19,200
Speaker 1: It's my favorite thing about him.

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01:53:19,360 --> 01:53:21,080
Speaker 2: And now he's got the full arena doing. It's kind

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01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:23,200
Speaker 2: of brilliant. I hope he's selling Chiwi Wei's merch. I

2611
01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:26,519
Speaker 2: really okay, good. He should do like a purple headband

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01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:28,519
Speaker 2: with it written across there and crazy letters. I agree,

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01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:29,639
Speaker 2: I'd wear that on this show.

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01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:29,960
Speaker 1: Okay.

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01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:33,160
Speaker 2: Elsewhere in the sphere we talked about kaitlyn' susan. Were

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01:53:33,200 --> 01:53:34,439
Speaker 2: they like one in five or two and.

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01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:37,479
Speaker 5: Six or something like that for all the Mexican borns lost.

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01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:40,880
Speaker 1: No Rodriguez one? Ah fuck? Good call?

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01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:42,600
Speaker 2: All right, Oh you shouldn't have taken that.

2620
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:44,320
Speaker 1: But there's a question. I remember the scoring, and that

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01:53:44,360 --> 01:53:46,080
Speaker 1: one was weird because they was they both should have

2622
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:47,760
Speaker 1: gotten ten eight rounds and only one of them did,

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01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 1: so the whole thing was weird.

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01:53:49,960 --> 01:53:52,680
Speaker 2: Did you see the war between flyweights Joshua Van and

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01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:54,439
Speaker 2: Edgar which I'd be opened.

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01:53:54,240 --> 01:53:56,760
Speaker 1: To strikes to an extent, but it would also be

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01:53:57,040 --> 01:53:57,800
Speaker 1: I don't agree.

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01:53:57,880 --> 01:54:02,920
Speaker 2: All right, all right, lightweights Esteban Ribovich and Joe Rogan,

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01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:05,080
Speaker 2: despite all the Mexican history going on, was still looking

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01:54:05,080 --> 01:54:05,880
Speaker 2: out for people like me.

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01:54:06,280 --> 01:54:10,759
Speaker 5: That's what that's like for you say you must in hisstoria,

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01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:15,280
Speaker 5: but meady, they were.

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01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:17,439
Speaker 2: Sad.

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01:54:17,479 --> 01:54:19,080
Speaker 5: I want to know you in gravely.

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01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:21,040
Speaker 4: One time.

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01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:23,040
Speaker 1: For the grigos, I say thank you.

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01:54:23,600 --> 01:54:24,759
Speaker 3: I feel blessed.

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01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:26,599
Speaker 1: You know what's kind of funny. Everyone's a little bit different.

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01:54:26,680 --> 01:54:29,679
Speaker 1: But Mexican Spanish is actually the easiest for me to understand.

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01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:32,839
Speaker 1: I can understand Mexican Spanish better than I can understand Colombia.

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01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:35,040
Speaker 2: Who's got the craziest Spanish where it's just impossible.

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01:54:35,400 --> 01:54:39,520
Speaker 1: Uh, the Islanders, Puerto Ricans, like Dominicans, Cubans fast. It's fast,

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01:54:39,560 --> 01:54:41,960
Speaker 1: and they drop letters and it's like instead of saying

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01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:46,040
Speaker 1: megusta la musica, they'll say and you're like, what the

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01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:46,880
Speaker 1: fuck are you saying?

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01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:48,800
Speaker 2: You know, let's keep it going. Maybe we should have

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01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:51,560
Speaker 2: seen O'Malley's demise coming. Luke, did you see this cringe moment?

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01:54:52,760 --> 01:54:54,880
Speaker 3: Jam More?

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01:55:00,680 --> 01:55:03,360
Speaker 2: He played that cheapee to the to the Viva Mexical

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01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:06,760
Speaker 2: a few times. It just didn't seem to work. I go,

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01:55:07,720 --> 01:55:08,560
Speaker 2: good luck to you, sir.

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01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:11,640
Speaker 1: I don't buy that he came in with like the

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01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:14,440
Speaker 1: wrong attitude. I just think he fought a better guy.

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01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:17,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm with you. I'm with you on that.

2655
01:55:18,240 --> 01:55:20,520
Speaker 2: But we maybe we should have seen Brian Ortega's downfall

2656
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:21,520
Speaker 2: coming from this SoundBite.

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01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:23,680
Speaker 1: So you just have to embrace that you're gonna suck.

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01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:27,040
Speaker 2: You have to have fun while you're sucking, and then

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01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:30,720
Speaker 2: that's it. Look, I've given that advice so many times.

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01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:33,960
Speaker 2: Pause pause, all right, there was.

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01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:36,120
Speaker 1: Also you gotta have fun when you're sucking.

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01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:38,920
Speaker 2: Indeed, there's a lot going on in the sphere crowd

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01:55:39,080 --> 01:55:41,360
Speaker 2: as well. Luke, this actually happened.

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01:55:47,160 --> 01:55:51,520
Speaker 1: I don't probably not gonna work, but I'm gonna try.

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01:55:52,480 --> 01:55:56,720
Speaker 2: You would joke about it, telling Hunter Campbell do we

2666
01:55:56,840 --> 01:55:58,560
Speaker 2: are we gonna babysit him, make sure that they don't

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01:55:58,560 --> 01:55:58,880
Speaker 2: hang out.

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01:55:58,920 --> 01:56:01,840
Speaker 1: How does no one care that, like he said, he

2669
01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:03,200
Speaker 1: hated all n words.

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01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah that that he cleaned that part up quick, didn't he?

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01:56:06,120 --> 01:56:07,920
Speaker 1: Well, there are some people who are still mad at

2672
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:09,560
Speaker 1: him for it and boxing I've seen a little bit

2673
01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:09,800
Speaker 1: more like.

2674
01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:12,520
Speaker 2: Cogan still gets labeled the scarlet letter of saying.

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01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:17,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he didn't like he apologized for it, right, Yeah, yeah,

2676
01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:21,800
Speaker 1: but he was. Ryan hasn't apologized for anything he generically

2677
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:23,280
Speaker 1: did for the most part, not really.

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01:56:23,640 --> 01:56:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, elsewhere in the sphere, crowd watch this what this

2679
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:29,560
Speaker 2: Turkey shadow box evolves into.

2680
01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:32,320
Speaker 1: First of all, like worst punches.

2681
01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:34,200
Speaker 2: That is the worst shadow box, and I do really

2682
01:56:34,240 --> 01:56:36,480
Speaker 2: bad comedic shadow boxing and that is the worst. But

2683
01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:38,240
Speaker 2: then there's the funny Kendrick.

2684
01:56:37,960 --> 01:56:40,080
Speaker 1: Lamar, Yeah, hey Kendrick, I'm a big fan, which is.

2685
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:42,120
Speaker 2: Really the only setback of the night in terms of

2686
01:56:42,200 --> 01:56:44,600
Speaker 2: a pre production wise for the UFC was term of

2687
01:56:44,640 --> 01:56:46,880
Speaker 2: like a real error. Yeah, it was a great night,

2688
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:49,080
Speaker 2: but uh yeah, Turkey makes you feel like you could

2689
01:56:49,080 --> 01:56:50,880
Speaker 2: actually take him, and I can't take anybody leave, but

2690
01:56:51,080 --> 01:56:52,880
Speaker 2: you know, come on, Turkey, stick to that jab put

2691
01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:55,920
Speaker 2: it out there. Also, Luke let's head over down the

2692
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:58,160
Speaker 2: strip like Bud Crawford did, going back and forth there

2693
01:56:58,200 --> 01:57:01,040
Speaker 2: to t Mobile Arena where I was for kind and

2694
01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:03,800
Speaker 2: Bud Crawford was also starting stuff in the arena there.

2695
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:08,000
Speaker 2: Just this is what he did to Taoe Femo mocked

2696
01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:10,520
Speaker 2: him in the head, yeah and told them off. Tayo

2697
01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:12,839
Speaker 2: had been petitioning all week to try to get Gervante

2698
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:14,400
Speaker 2: into a fight, which didn't seem to make sense.

2699
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:16,280
Speaker 1: Seems to have gone nowhere.

2700
01:57:16,760 --> 01:57:19,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody posted a video interviewing him and teasing to

2701
01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:21,280
Speaker 2: the idea that he may be in some type of

2702
01:57:21,880 --> 01:57:22,720
Speaker 2: argument with top.

2703
01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:25,320
Speaker 1: Rank about oh litigation. I saw that. Yeah.

2704
01:57:25,680 --> 01:57:27,120
Speaker 2: I don't know the truth of that, but that's what

2705
01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:30,840
Speaker 2: seems to be out there. Also, Luke Canelo at the

2706
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:33,640
Speaker 2: Grand Arrival on Tuesday was a petition petition with this

2707
01:57:33,760 --> 01:57:36,240
Speaker 2: indecent proposal. Great to see you, Canelo.

2708
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:40,360
Speaker 1: Obviously, this man needs no introduction. The crowd absolutely loves you.

2709
01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:42,400
Speaker 2: One guy in the back said he would let you

2710
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:43,560
Speaker 2: get his wife pregnant.

2711
01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:47,360
Speaker 1: The crowd they there die hard for you.

2712
01:57:48,200 --> 01:57:54,680
Speaker 2: He's a smart look, yes, hilarious. Caleb Plant was asked

2713
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:57,840
Speaker 2: for three words here in this prefight moment. There's definitely

2714
01:57:57,880 --> 01:58:00,840
Speaker 2: been some animosity between you and if you had to

2715
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:03,360
Speaker 2: describe Trevor as a fighter in three words.

2716
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:07,400
Speaker 1: What would you say? Not experienced enough? What about the

2717
01:58:07,480 --> 01:58:11,160
Speaker 1: other two words? Not experience enough? Okay?

2718
01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:18,520
Speaker 2: There? In round three, though, Canelo did give up.

2719
01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:22,120
Speaker 1: So how do we have no job in boxing? I

2720
01:58:22,160 --> 01:58:22,960
Speaker 1: don't understand that.

2721
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:24,720
Speaker 2: Well, I was employed this past week.

2722
01:58:25,560 --> 01:58:26,680
Speaker 1: I should have been there as well. I wish I

2723
01:58:26,680 --> 01:58:27,040
Speaker 1: could have been.

2724
01:58:27,360 --> 01:58:29,880
Speaker 2: Canelo in round three did give us a prime Canelo

2725
01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:31,720
Speaker 2: moment here This left hook was a thing of beauty.

2726
01:58:32,160 --> 01:58:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, early on, Canelo looks like Canelo.

2727
01:58:38,920 --> 01:58:40,800
Speaker 2: Right about now, come on, Canelo.

2728
01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:44,880
Speaker 1: That was so fantastic, fantastic.

2729
01:58:44,920 --> 01:58:46,600
Speaker 2: You gotta see though, bro Loonga took a looking and

2730
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:48,040
Speaker 2: he he was he was scary.

2731
01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:49,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, he was a little more game

2732
01:58:49,400 --> 01:58:51,800
Speaker 1: than I thought. But he's still you know, you.

2733
01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:54,440
Speaker 2: Know who took a licking our boy, royman Villa. He

2734
01:58:54,480 --> 01:58:57,040
Speaker 2: had lost the boots on us at well, was a

2735
01:58:57,080 --> 01:59:01,080
Speaker 2: big favorite here over Ricardo Solis and he got sent

2736
01:59:01,240 --> 01:59:01,840
Speaker 2: to Hill.

2737
01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:05,240
Speaker 1: He was like a minus seven hundred favorite. Something insane.

2738
01:59:05,320 --> 01:59:08,200
Speaker 2: No one had really heard of this guy, Ricardo Solace before,

2739
01:59:08,480 --> 01:59:10,080
Speaker 2: and you were, yeah, you texted me, You're like, who

2740
01:59:10,160 --> 01:59:12,920
Speaker 2: is this guy? Like, I'm not really sure. But that replay,

2741
01:59:13,040 --> 01:59:16,760
Speaker 2: which we'll see in a second, was short and powerful,

2742
01:59:16,840 --> 01:59:19,680
Speaker 2: the punches. I hope he gets a big fight from there.

2743
01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:21,840
Speaker 1: As you see, I couldn't believe that. That's like boots

2744
01:59:21,880 --> 01:59:23,040
Speaker 1: took him a while to break down.

2745
01:59:23,160 --> 01:59:25,640
Speaker 2: Yes, this guy's tough, his nails via Normally he's kind

2746
01:59:25,680 --> 01:59:26,640
Speaker 2: of like a Mydonna type.

2747
01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:31,520
Speaker 1: But watch this bodamn.

2748
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:34,760
Speaker 2: Hold that hold that all right, we got to speed

2749
01:59:34,840 --> 01:59:36,680
Speaker 2: this up here. Let's hear from this blind.

2750
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:38,880
Speaker 1: Mom as a blind mom of too. Here's how I

2751
01:59:39,000 --> 01:59:41,800
Speaker 1: know my toddlers ripped off his diaper and pete.

2752
01:59:41,600 --> 01:59:42,360
Speaker 4: Somewhere in the house.

2753
01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:49,240
Speaker 1: Okay, so you know what's funny about this. My dog

2754
01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:51,200
Speaker 1: pissed at the bottom of my stairs and I went

2755
01:59:51,280 --> 01:59:52,800
Speaker 1: to go clean it and I slipped in his piss

2756
01:59:52,840 --> 01:59:55,440
Speaker 1: this weekend. That's so that actually happened to me.

2757
01:59:55,640 --> 01:59:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke Shannon Sharp's having a lot of fun with that,

2758
01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:00,880
Speaker 2: just fucking on Instagram. Let's go to the.

2759
02:00:02,640 --> 02:00:04,640
Speaker 1: Too much like this, You try to you try to

2760
02:00:04,680 --> 02:00:07,800
Speaker 1: make light of it. Nobody, no, nobody would harm into

2761
02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:08,680
Speaker 1: making this audio.

2762
02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:10,640
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no.

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02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:17,880
Speaker 1: Don't you know she had to put a little ice

2764
02:00:17,960 --> 02:00:19,600
Speaker 1: packed down there, but she's good otherwise.

2765
02:00:19,880 --> 02:00:22,080
Speaker 2: No, you know, you play a hard game.

2766
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:26,760
Speaker 1: How much of that do you think? I hope it wasn't.

2767
02:00:27,600 --> 02:00:29,720
Speaker 1: How much of that is staged to like make it

2768
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:33,160
Speaker 1: look like he's a certain kind He has merch multiple people,

2769
02:00:33,240 --> 02:00:35,160
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, I'm a little bit not convinced.

2770
02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:36,880
Speaker 2: He made great content out of it and did a

2771
02:00:36,920 --> 02:00:39,400
Speaker 2: lot of jokes. But maybe that's the best thing.

2772
02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:41,640
Speaker 1: This is this is my tower seven ver. I'm not

2773
02:00:41,720 --> 02:00:43,920
Speaker 1: saying he did it. I'm not saying he did it.

2774
02:00:43,960 --> 02:00:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying I'm not convinced it was accidental.

2775
02:00:46,360 --> 02:00:48,720
Speaker 2: Oh you're going to tower seven already. Okay, let's keep

2776
02:00:48,720 --> 02:00:50,600
Speaker 2: it going here, Luke. You hate when people just start

2777
02:00:50,640 --> 02:00:52,240
Speaker 2: playing music live in person.

2778
02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:54,760
Speaker 1: Right and shared public spaces. They deserve the death power.

2779
02:00:54,840 --> 02:00:55,640
Speaker 2: Right, Let's watch this guy.

2780
02:01:01,640 --> 02:01:04,280
Speaker 1: That's what should happen to every one of these fucking losers.

2781
02:01:04,640 --> 02:01:08,240
Speaker 2: Luke, if you weren't a pro podcaster, do you wonder

2782
02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:09,760
Speaker 2: what you would have gone pro? And in life? Like,

2783
02:01:09,800 --> 02:01:11,720
Speaker 2: what would have been your other thing? They asked this

2784
02:01:11,800 --> 02:01:12,600
Speaker 2: guy that same quished.

2785
02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:14,720
Speaker 1: Was there a regular day to day activity?

2786
02:01:14,760 --> 02:01:15,560
Speaker 3: You think you can go pro?

2787
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:18,160
Speaker 1: And jacking off? Your top tier colon?

2788
02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:18,560
Speaker 3: Man?

2789
02:01:19,000 --> 02:01:20,920
Speaker 4: Send it started by like old James, I could go

2790
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:22,160
Speaker 4: with left hand the right hand.

2791
02:01:22,680 --> 02:01:25,240
Speaker 2: Sometimes I didn't get clever enough. I can mindfuck, I

2792
02:01:25,280 --> 02:01:26,400
Speaker 2: could get I get right.

2793
02:01:26,760 --> 02:01:30,040
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I probably would give him a run for

2794
02:01:30,080 --> 02:01:31,600
Speaker 1: his money in the jack off part.

2795
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:34,320
Speaker 2: And as a professional, let's see the job of a lifetime, Luke,

2796
02:01:34,640 --> 02:01:37,240
Speaker 2: you want to work in your passions, right, Well.

2797
02:01:37,160 --> 02:01:39,960
Speaker 1: That's a great job. He's got a great job.

2798
02:01:40,080 --> 02:01:42,960
Speaker 2: Sherry's getting it done. Your truck decal of the week,

2799
02:01:43,080 --> 02:01:46,440
Speaker 2: probably from Florida. But uh, I can't see.

2800
02:01:48,720 --> 02:01:48,920
Speaker 3: Luke.

2801
02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:51,600
Speaker 2: There's no there's no doubt what that guy's about, right,

2802
02:01:51,880 --> 02:01:52,560
Speaker 2: no doubt about it.

2803
02:01:52,760 --> 02:01:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm listening in that guy's car.

2804
02:01:54,320 --> 02:01:56,920
Speaker 2: Jane's addiction Fight of the Week, right, came from the state.

2805
02:01:57,000 --> 02:01:58,000
Speaker 1: You couldn't believe this.

2806
02:01:58,240 --> 02:02:00,280
Speaker 2: Dave Navarro on the guitar and Perry Pharaoh.

2807
02:02:00,600 --> 02:02:02,800
Speaker 1: Do the Zoomers know who these guys are?

2808
02:02:02,840 --> 02:02:04,960
Speaker 2: Hardly not, even though they were still touring to be fair.

2809
02:02:05,040 --> 02:02:07,600
Speaker 1: But do you know who Jane's addiction is?

2810
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:08,000
Speaker 3: Come on?

2811
02:02:08,160 --> 02:02:09,360
Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, he.

2812
02:02:09,360 --> 02:02:11,280
Speaker 2: Knows good nineties music. But this this was like a

2813
02:02:11,440 --> 02:02:12,520
Speaker 2: They actually stopped the show.

2814
02:02:12,840 --> 02:02:15,560
Speaker 1: I watch the next guy comes up and punches Forellness

2815
02:02:15,600 --> 02:02:18,480
Speaker 1: there is punches him twice in the stomach. You see that. Wow,

2816
02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:20,800
Speaker 1: he oper cuts him Somerando from the crowd. I know

2817
02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:23,720
Speaker 1: security security damn uh.

2818
02:02:24,280 --> 02:02:28,160
Speaker 2: Also, Luke politics and crossed up with the m m

2819
02:02:28,200 --> 02:02:31,320
Speaker 2: A again. Let's see that he won the Olympic gold medal,

2820
02:02:31,480 --> 02:02:35,400
Speaker 2: and he's the UFC and was the UFC champion numerous times.

2821
02:02:35,480 --> 02:02:37,120
Speaker 4: Actually, I wonder if I could take him.

2822
02:02:37,120 --> 02:02:38,920
Speaker 2: I'm a little larger than him. I wonder if I

2823
02:02:38,920 --> 02:02:39,840
Speaker 2: could take him in a fight.

2824
02:02:39,960 --> 02:02:41,480
Speaker 4: What do you think, Henry?

2825
02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:50,240
Speaker 2: You know who I'm talking about, Henry, Henry, Henry's doku Henry.

2826
02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:54,760
Speaker 2: H God, then he hugged him like a little kid.

2827
02:02:56,440 --> 02:02:59,680
Speaker 1: Well, I'm as your president. I'm just uh, I'm just honored.

2828
02:02:59,720 --> 02:03:01,280
Speaker 1: And now would I think I would have just been

2829
02:03:01,360 --> 02:03:01,480
Speaker 1: to me?

2830
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:03,840
Speaker 3: I wouldn't would I would never fight you? All right? Right?

2831
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:06,560
Speaker 1: Oh my God, doesn't just blow the guy already?

2832
02:03:06,840 --> 02:03:08,960
Speaker 2: Bisbeane Clip of the week. This one was floating around.

2833
02:03:09,120 --> 02:03:09,680
Speaker 1: What a guy?

2834
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:10,560
Speaker 4: What a night?

2835
02:03:11,240 --> 02:03:14,800
Speaker 2: Two nine ya Anaheon California certainly won't with the box.

2836
02:03:20,920 --> 02:03:21,520
Speaker 4: What a guy?

2837
02:03:21,880 --> 02:03:28,680
Speaker 2: That's fucking gay. Uh, let's go to this sparring Jim Luke.

2838
02:03:28,720 --> 02:03:31,440
Speaker 2: Do you see Cyril Gone with seven foot of Rudy Gobert?

2839
02:03:34,600 --> 02:03:37,240
Speaker 1: Wit doesn't look like defensive player of the year to me, It's.

2840
02:03:37,120 --> 02:03:39,720
Speaker 2: Like Stephen A. Smith from that post. Right, remember when

2841
02:03:39,800 --> 02:03:41,560
Speaker 2: Steve athletic No he does yeah?

2842
02:03:41,800 --> 02:03:42,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2843
02:03:42,480 --> 02:03:45,160
Speaker 2: Is this to prepare for Volkoff for Gone? I think

2844
02:03:45,200 --> 02:03:49,000
Speaker 2: it's just to do some internet ship misfits boxing in Dublin.

2845
02:03:49,040 --> 02:03:51,080
Speaker 2: I believe over the weekend. You see the sucker punch

2846
02:03:51,120 --> 02:03:51,560
Speaker 2: in the crowd.

2847
02:03:51,600 --> 02:03:54,400
Speaker 1: Look, dude, this is a monster sucker punch. Watch this

2848
02:03:54,800 --> 02:03:57,880
Speaker 1: watch this. Bo hold that bench.

2849
02:03:58,560 --> 02:03:59,920
Speaker 2: Damn dude, he fu.

2850
02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:02,720
Speaker 1: As we say in the South, hauled off on him.

2851
02:04:02,840 --> 02:04:05,800
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Lukey a big fan of pirates.

2852
02:04:06,560 --> 02:04:07,920
Speaker 1: When it comes to internet content.

2853
02:04:08,120 --> 02:04:09,040
Speaker 2: Okay, let's watch this.

2854
02:04:09,560 --> 02:04:11,640
Speaker 1: This is what I think pirates would be like if

2855
02:04:11,680 --> 02:04:12,919
Speaker 1: they lived in our lifetime.

2856
02:04:13,600 --> 02:04:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about that one. Let's go to

2857
02:04:19,680 --> 02:04:25,520
Speaker 2: the next one. Look, God, what did I hit?

2858
02:04:28,080 --> 02:04:28,839
Speaker 4: Not again?

2859
02:04:30,400 --> 02:04:32,800
Speaker 2: Okay? This is uh something?

2860
02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:35,880
Speaker 1: And near your baseball send your emails, don't send him,

2861
02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:38,600
Speaker 1: send them to Morning Combat a Gmail.

2862
02:04:40,760 --> 02:04:42,320
Speaker 2: Here's your baseball jersey of the week.

2863
02:04:43,920 --> 02:04:46,360
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean you paid for that. Come on.

2864
02:04:47,880 --> 02:04:50,880
Speaker 2: And finally, Luke, you've you gotta, you gotta really commit

2865
02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:52,400
Speaker 2: to finding art in all places.

2866
02:04:53,960 --> 02:04:56,080
Speaker 1: This is my brush, this is my paint, this.

2867
02:04:57,880 --> 02:05:00,480
Speaker 2: Is my taint. Good night, Hope you saw all? That's

2868
02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:01,240
Speaker 2: all the shit is?

2869
02:05:01,360 --> 02:05:01,960
Speaker 4: Hey, not bad?

2870
02:05:02,040 --> 02:05:03,280
Speaker 1: You know, I'll get that a solid B plus.

2871
02:05:03,360 --> 02:05:04,800
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll take it. I'll take it.

2872
02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:06,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing that you do the nine to

2873
02:05:06,240 --> 02:05:08,400
Speaker 1: eleven humor in New York City. I have to tell you.

2874
02:05:08,440 --> 02:05:09,320
Speaker 1: It's quite balsy of you.

2875
02:05:09,480 --> 02:05:11,280
Speaker 2: I just tried. You know, this is what the people

2876
02:05:11,320 --> 02:05:13,840
Speaker 2: are into, unfortunately, Luke. But you know, like Dale's junior

2877
02:05:13,880 --> 02:05:16,240
Speaker 2: and Dale Senior in Turn four. I should probably go.

2878
02:05:16,320 --> 02:05:18,640
Speaker 1: Away with that. You see, and you're doing it again, BC.

2879
02:05:18,880 --> 02:05:21,200
Speaker 1: You are going to take a bird tonight. Yes, how

2880
02:05:21,280 --> 02:05:23,920
Speaker 1: can folks watch the fight you are calling Friday night?

2881
02:05:23,960 --> 02:05:27,800
Speaker 2: This Friday Night, September twentieth, doublin UFC Fight Pass. Callum

2882
02:05:27,880 --> 02:05:29,960
Speaker 2: Walsh going to take another step forward the eleven and

2883
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:32,440
Speaker 2: oh one hundred and fifty four pound prospect. He's dating

2884
02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:33,680
Speaker 2: to Tabitha.

2885
02:05:33,280 --> 02:05:34,760
Speaker 1: Reci That's right, he has an MMA connection.

2886
02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:38,640
Speaker 2: He's fighting Premoslav Ronowski, who's a twenty one to two

2887
02:05:39,480 --> 02:05:41,560
Speaker 2: Polish fighter. There's a big step up for him. Check

2888
02:05:41,600 --> 02:05:45,040
Speaker 2: us out Friday night. Roull Marks on the call along

2889
02:05:45,120 --> 02:05:49,080
Speaker 2: with myself, Corey Erdman. It is a fun team. I'm excited, man.

2890
02:05:49,200 --> 02:05:50,800
Speaker 2: We're gonna see what happens with this young fire. Dana

2891
02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:52,560
Speaker 2: White supposed to be there. I heard he's trying to

2892
02:05:52,560 --> 02:05:53,640
Speaker 2: get Connor McGregor to come.

2893
02:05:53,800 --> 02:05:55,919
Speaker 1: Is it on fight pass if you're in Ireland?

2894
02:05:56,960 --> 02:05:59,600
Speaker 2: Yes? It airs on fight passing sure? Okay, Oh, I

2895
02:05:59,600 --> 02:06:00,880
Speaker 2: don't know for people in Ireland.

2896
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, because if we have Irish viewers, I don't know.

2897
02:06:03,080 --> 02:06:04,680
Speaker 2: Where it airs for them to be very fair, but

2898
02:06:04,680 --> 02:06:05,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna find out for.

2899
02:06:05,640 --> 02:06:09,400
Speaker 1: Us in the US. Yes, all right, very good. Enjoy

2900
02:06:09,480 --> 02:06:11,160
Speaker 1: your trip. Hey, show the folks your luggage and then

2901
02:06:11,160 --> 02:06:12,680
Speaker 1: we'll get out of here. I don't have to, You

2902
02:06:12,680 --> 02:06:14,160
Speaker 1: don't have to, but i'd love you to. BC has

2903
02:06:14,200 --> 02:06:16,800
Speaker 1: the most BC looking luggage I've ever seen. Look at

2904
02:06:16,840 --> 02:06:17,640
Speaker 1: this ship. Bring it over.

2905
02:06:18,160 --> 02:06:19,760
Speaker 2: I don't think they can show it to them.

2906
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:22,880
Speaker 1: All right, look at this. We gotta get out here.

2907
02:06:23,120 --> 02:06:26,480
Speaker 1: Look at this fucking luggage, got bubbles and shit on it.

2908
02:06:27,600 --> 02:06:30,840
Speaker 1: Worst luggage you've ever seen, and that's BC's Uh. Put

2909
02:06:30,880 --> 02:06:33,480
Speaker 1: the social graphic up very quickly. You can follow us there.

2910
02:06:33,480 --> 02:06:35,840
Speaker 1: You can also file Brian Campbell was it? YouTube dot

2911
02:06:35,880 --> 02:06:36,760
Speaker 1: com slash.

2912
02:06:36,760 --> 02:06:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah the Brian Campbell Experience. Check out my interview with

2913
02:06:39,760 --> 02:06:41,480
Speaker 2: Kellen Walsh today and got a great sit down with

2914
02:06:41,640 --> 02:06:44,200
Speaker 2: Eric Alberta Seene tomorrow. Don't miss it. Great stuff coming here.

2915
02:06:44,120 --> 02:06:45,720
Speaker 1: With There you have it. You can follow me YouTube

2916
02:06:45,720 --> 02:06:49,400
Speaker 1: dot com slash Luke Thomas. We're out no show this Friday,

2917
02:06:49,480 --> 02:06:52,120
Speaker 1: but hey, when we have news to announce, we'll announce

2918
02:06:52,120 --> 02:06:52,400
Speaker 1: it right.

2919
02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:53,360
Speaker 2: We're gonna have news soon.

2920
02:06:53,480 --> 02:06:55,400
Speaker 1: Thanks. All right, there it is Brian Campbell. Luke Thomas

2921
02:06:55,400 --> 02:06:57,280
Speaker 1: where I'm k until next time. All your gains be

2922
02:06:57,360 --> 02:06:57,600
Speaker 1: loyal