WEBVTT - The Long Game feat. Elie Mystal 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.960 Native Lampid is a production of iHeart Radio and partnership 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:10.080 with Reason Choice Media. Welcome home, y'all. This is episode 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:12.640 one hundred and nine of Native Lampid, where we give 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:14.240 you our breakdown of all things. 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:15.080 Politics and culture. 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.759 We are your hosts, Angela Rye, Tiffany Cross, Andrew Gillim 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.599 and Bacari Sellers. What's going on y'all will get into today? 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:25.239 Well, I want to get into the same thing I 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:27.280 get into every weekends, so you know, I want to 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:30.560 hear from the viewers, and we have a lot of questions. 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:33.360 So that's my thing for this week. What y'all got. 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:35.160 It's been a big week. 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.120 Sorry, no, no, no no. 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:41.600 I didn't want to interrupt, but I was a feeling 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:43.199 well in the middle of the night and took some 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:45.839 medicine and I took the drowsy version. So if I 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.040 seem a little slower today, I just want you to 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:52.040 bear with me. I felt like that disclosed you was necessary. 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.000 Well I'm glad because I was hoping you weren't drinking 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.440 on the clock, So I'm glad to know it's Benadrill 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:01.200 instead or mused X or whatever else they got. Andrew, 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.800 we hope you feel better. I know you don't, but 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.280 that's why I was so concerned, because I thought somebody 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.160 had put something, you know, in your in your in 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:12.960 your hot tea, gave you a hot toddy instead. You 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:16.160 didn't even ask for. Well, here's the thing. It has 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.399 not been a big day for Andrew. It's actually a 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.440 slow day, not by design, but it is a It's 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.000 been a big week for women. So I want to 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.800 talk about too, in particular, shout out to Asia Wilson, 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:29.000 who is the Time Athlete of the Year. 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:30.600 Hopefully we talk about that just a little bit. 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:34.000 And also Jasmine Crockett is finally announced that she's going 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.120 to run for uh senden seed in Texas, going against 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:39.680 incumbent John Corner, So I definitely want to talk about 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:40.080 that with us. 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:45.080 Y'all think you God damn did y'all not? 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:49.639 Like I'm waiting to hear from Bacari and the camera 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:51.440 like this frozen again. 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:53.000 I don't know. 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:59.800 Talking what do you want to talk about? 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.920 We're gonna talk about the WI FI in Columbia, South Carolina. 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.880 How about we talked about that? Apparently it is the 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.000 issue is the issue de jure of the day. I 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:11.800 don't know I mean, there's there's so much, there's so 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:16.240 much to talk about. I actually appreciated uh Angel's topic 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:18.440 about Asia Wilson coming from South Carolina. So I'm a 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:19.960 chiment on that with y'all because I think that she 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:21.600 deserves a lot of props for the weight that she 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:24.280 carries for black women, the w NBA, and a lot 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:26.000 of many a lot of others. 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.960 Beca, didn't you also suggest we talk a little bit 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:35.520 about the consequences of of elections and elections out this 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:36.600 is the Detroit story. 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:38.440 I thought he was saving that for next week. 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:38.680 A g. 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.480 Well head you got. 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.280 I cannot handle this delayed ass pace today. Okay, so 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.960 here's the next thing. Y'all blame my add but I'm 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.640 just gonna say this. The other thing that is very exciting. 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.200 This is something where even Andrew in his slow state 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:55.760 is going. 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.200 To get excited about. I just know it. Ellie missed out. 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.720 Our resident Supreme Court Exford is also joining us today. 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.120 We have so much to talk about with the Supreme Court. 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.760 They cutting up y'all. You ared of citizens United, They 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.440 trying to make it even worse. They're also going to 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.920 consider birthright citizenship. We're gonna get into all of that 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.000 and more with Ellie today. We're gonna get right into 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:14.280 the show. 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:19.600 Let's go, y'all, how about this new one. They have 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:20.919 their new star, Crockett. 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.840 How about her? She's a new star of the Democrat Party, 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:29.240 Jasmine Crockett. They're in big trouble, but you have this 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:32.000 woman Crockett. She's a very low IQ person. 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.800 I watched her speak to the other day. She's definitely 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:36.000 a low IQ person. 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.840 Crockett. Oh man, oh man. 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:42.960 She's a very low IQ person. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.760 Somebody said the other day she's one of the leaders 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:48.600 of the party. I think you gotta be kidding. 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.120 Now, they're going to rely on Crockett's gonna bring the bed. 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:58.040 So everyone, as we know, Jasmine Crockett announced her run 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.120 for the United States Senate. This week, Colin Aureed, who 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.400 is a former member of the House of Representatives, announced 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:08.080 that he will run for what is now her seat, 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:10.720 and he's dropping out of the Senate race. I want 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:12.800 to know what you all think about the announcement video 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.800 in what you think about Jazzin's run for the United 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:17.440 States Senate. 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.039 I think first I would just acknowledge up front that 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:29.040 the hit pieces that will undermine her math, that will 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.839 undermine her politics. To try to drive this to a 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:39.240 radical left versus moderate versus you know, centric centrist, you 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.880 know democrat. That stuff is going to happen. We should 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.800 just gear it up for it. And it's not unusual 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.719 that that's where people start, because what they have to 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:54.080 do is penetrate, pierce, and then destroy your viability. Her 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:59.360 opponents will want to make her look unviable, and unfortunately 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.800 a lot of that you know, sort of bag mention 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.880 is gonna come the Democratic side. They'll be on shows 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:08.839 today and throughout. Given all the reasons why this is 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:10.919 a full hearted run, but I want to applaud her. 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.039 I think it is a brave and courageous run, and 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:16.720 I think she can do as well, if not better, 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:20.279 hopefully much better than some of the more recent candidates 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.960 who got close, either going after a cruise or corning. 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:27.080 You know. I got to echo Andrew sentiment here here, 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:29.960 just because I don't think people get enough credit or 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:33.560 give enough credit for individuals who give themselves to run 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:38.159 for office, particularly statewide in the South. I like to 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.520 say that you know, in twenty fourteen, you know, you 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:45.000 help chip away at that glass. You have people like 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.000 Andrew Gillim and Stacy Abrams who helped chip away at 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:52.760 that glass after some of us are in. And you know, 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:54.919 I just think that it takes so much courage because 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.240 you you know, what I tell folks is that you 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:02.560 have you met anybody halfway pregnant it and that's what 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:11.960 it is with you, and that that that not that 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:13.839 you have in your stomach because you don't know where 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:20.400 the barbs the next day are going, that anxiety, that angst. 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:24.440 So I'm very, very proud of Jasmine Crockett for running. 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:26.800 If we want to have a conversation about her viability 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:31.240 to win, that's another conversation, because I think that she's 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:35.040 running uphill with a couple of mules on her back, 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.679 a couple of bouters pulling her back in the other direction. 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:39.880 And I think it's going to be very difficult for 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.440 Jasmine Crockett to be the next United States Senator from 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:46.080 the great state of Texas if anybody can do what 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:48.960 she can. But I just don't know if anybody wearing 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.440 a D on their lapel can win Texas right now 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:54.040 through no fault of her own. But we can get 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.000 to that. I wanted to start it off though by 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.480 lauding the fact that she's actually jumping out there and running, 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.760 because that in itself as a testament to her strength. 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:05.960 Yeah, you know, we should let the viewers know that. 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:07.719 Of course, she'll have to go through the primary. The 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:11.480 Democratic primary was hill Face Congressman tallerco. I believe it's 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:13.960 how you say his name, a congressman from Austin, And 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.800 I think what you're getting at, Bacari is we have 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.760 been promised for so long that Texas is going to 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.960 turn purple and it has not yet happened. I mean, 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.840 we saw this effort with Betel O'Rourke, who came really close, 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:28.960 and it was a lot of excitement around his campaign, 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.480 and I think there are a lot of competing interest 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:35.040 in Texas, right you know. There, our brother Rollad Martin 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.360 would want us to point out that Texas has numerically 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.560 the highest number of eligible black voters in the state, 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.640 and I don't know if that's going to be enough 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.320 to carry her across the line. I think one of 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.000 the challenges those mules that you were talking about that 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:57.360 she's carrying is the population that leans towards whiteness. So 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:01.800 even though there's this huge Latino population. Within the Latino community, 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:05.920 there are a lot of white presenting, white thinking Latinos 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:10.280 who ascribe to a very conservative ideology and landscape, so 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:14.200 it will be interesting. I definitely applaud her for jumping 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.640 in the race, will certainly be watching it and covering 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:20.360 it extensively. I'm looking forward to fair, clear, clean, concise 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:24.480 coverage of the race with proper context. I would love 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:28.000 to see another black woman in the Senate representing the 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.160 interests of the folks in the longhorned state, but I 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:32.960 do think it is fair to acknowledge that it's an 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.160 uphill battle. I also think this is going to be 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.000 one of the Senate races that will morph into a 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:41.080 national race. We've seen Donald Trump laser focus on black women, 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.520 particularly effective black women, and so I hope that people 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:46.920 can get behind her because I also think Angela that 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:48.960 there are a lot of times when we're saying, well, 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.440 she can't win, and you know, well, you know it's 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.720 a good effort, but we're gonna see like sometimes let's 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.600 just get in there and say, hey, we plan to win. 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:58.720 You know, when you're on that spade table and your 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.160 partner looking at you like, well, no, I always say, 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.600 play to win. Play to win. Assume that you want 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.680 to win as soon the universe is tilted in your favor. 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.720 So I think we have to give that energy to her. 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:10.520 But but what are your thoughts? Because I know she's 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.199 a friend of the show, and you've worked on campaigns 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.600 before and certainly navigated Capitol Hill. 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.440 What do you think about her chances? Well, I'm going 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.080 to tell you what I think. Right after this fire 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.400 alarm goes off at the hotel that I'm in. But 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.440 I also got to stop smoking. 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.520 So again, it's a fire alarm test. 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.160 You goofball. That's what you do at hotels, not what 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:39.360 I do in hotels. Now, what I would just say quickly, 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.160 hopefully y'all can't hear this. I really want to hear 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:46.920 from the guys, in particular because there are her there. 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.840 There are a lot of folks who are saying, like, 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:50.920 why would you even try to run statewide in the 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:54.240 South and so, Bakari, you ran for a lieutenant governor, 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.440 was the Democratic nominee in South Carolina in twenty fourteen. 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.840 What would you implore jazzmin to do different? And Andrew 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.480 from your gubernatorial run in twenty eighteen, what would you 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:06.920 implore Jazmin to do differently, and what would you implore 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.079 the voters to do differently? Because I think that's the major. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:16.280 Keeler for me, one of the things that has made 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:20.280 me raise an eyebrow. As one of Congressman Crockett's first 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.400 interviews on National TV and her rollout when she was 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:25.480 talking about whether or not she had to go after 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:29.040 Trump voters or other voters, and her response was, I 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:35.240 don't necessarily need them, right, And I ascribed to the 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:41.080 notion that elections are more about addition and multiplication than 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:44.320 they are subtraction and division. And I think that she's 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:50.760 talented enough that by not limiting her electorate, she can grow. 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.680 So that's one thing. The other thing is she has 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.760 to create an entirely new electric That's something Barack Obama 0:10:57.800 --> 0:10:59.719 did when he ran in two thousand and eight to 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:03.199 kind of shock the world. And creating that new elector 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.439 it means that you have an entire new base of voters, 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.440 which I believe she's going to do extremely well. She's 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:13.040 going to raise the money. I think that Texas has 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.719 long been Food's goal for Democrats, and we waste a 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.360 lot of money in Texas on different races that can 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:20.760 go to other seats where you can possibly fare better. 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.559 But I do think that that she's going to add 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.120 a new energy, and I regardless of whether or not 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.000 I think she can win, I think she will be 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.280 a winner win this race is over. And I also 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.880 think something about Jasmine Crockett running in this race that 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:37.000 people aren't necessarily giving her credit for. Right now, She's 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.680 going to drag along a lot of other Democrats in Texas. 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.920 She there is going to be a wave in Texas 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:47.640 because Jasmine Crockett is running. I don't think she'll get 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:51.280 beat like a drum per se, but I just find 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.800 it to be extremely difficult. But I do think that 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:55.920 her race still can be a success with other things 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.080 I think. I mean, I got over forty percent of 0:11:58.080 --> 0:11:59.679 the vote in South Carolina, which is a whole hell 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.000 of a lot for Democrats now who don't break you know, 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.640 over thirty five And I know Andrew was one megachurch 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.240 away from being governor of Florida. What it was it 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:10.600 thirty five thousand voters, So I mean, I do know, 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.120 and Stacey Abrams came close the first time, so it's 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.160 not this isn't out of the realm if possible. But 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.440 when we talk about these type of races, we have 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.240 to understand the magnitude the difficulty and get her the 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:25.439 benefit of knowing that she still can be a success 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.520 because so many people are going to She's going to 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:29.080 drag along with them with her. 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.600 If she's able to raise the amount of money that 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:42.079 would be typical for a contested a general election. Right 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.040 if they believe if Cornyon wins on the Republican side, 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.079 and Democrats are really serious about competing and therefore they 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:52.040 resource her race, I don't see her doing any worse 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.360 than the latest Democrat who has gotten the closest I think, 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:01.000 so I'll perform the Democratic typical performance. She gets the 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:04.800 resources that are equal because I think her natural instincts 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.480 are going to the places that she knows she needs 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.920 to be. She will need to camp out between the 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:17.240 largest Black centers in the state and the largest Latino areas, 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:21.760 and progressive whites tend to find you they're determined a 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:25.520 lot of times in that way. But those two groups 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:29.360 trying to demystify where she needs to with the Latino 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.640 community around what she does and doesn't know, believes or 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:36.000 doesn't believe what the values they share in common, and 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:39.360 then motivating black folks because what I know about us 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:43.120 is we're extremely sophisticated voters and we do not throw 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.280 our votes away. In that sophistication has largely come from 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.839 the fact that we've always had to do the math 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:52.080 and the figuring out the psychology of how everybody else 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.680 is going to vote, how everybody else is going to perform, 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.040 before we then can decide whether or not we're putting 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.959 our vote behind a losing cause to make a statement 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.720 or negotiating space to share power. 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.960 Just I kinda follow up because I was really interested 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.080 in hearing your thoughts on Angela's question about what do 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:16.800 voters need to do differently, particularly given that they're going 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.560 to be flooded with it's an uphill battle and you know, 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:21.240 things that are going on. And also just want to 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.160 let the listeners know that there's quite the primary on 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.320 the other side as well. The incumbent is Senator John Cornyn, 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.640 a Trump acolyte. He's being primary by the Attorney General 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:35.160 there Ken Paxton, another Trump acolyte, and joining the race 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:38.320 is also Congressman Wesley Hunt. And these are all Trump 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.800 sick of fans, so I'm not sure that she'll be 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.680 competing for the same voters that they are. But I'm 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.120 curious from you and Bacari, what do voters need to 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:45.760 do differently? 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:48.360 So, I mean, I think a lot of this is 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.240 a little bit premature because I think the way you, 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.840 the way you run this race, the way voters think 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:54.720 about it is going to be vastly different. If it's 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.840 Kim Paxton, who has the ethical baggage of it's probably 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.520 worse than Donald Trump. Right, that's a that is an 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.560 easier race. None of them are easy, but that's an 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.720 easier race for Jasmin Crockett. I think Cornyn is a 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.480 typical type of r beside his name, and he's been 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.280 in politics there for a very long period of time 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:15.440 and people are used to pressing the button statewide. And 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.680 then the other one is Wesley Hunt, who doesn't stand 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:21.040 a chance in hell. So I think that we're going 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.000 to learn a lot about Jasmine Crockett, We're going to 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.800 learn a lot about this about the electorate through this 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:29.920 Democratic primary because Tara Leko is very formidable. You know, 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:33.240 he is a messenger that a lot of people have 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.000 gravitated towards. He's the type of person who goes out 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.360 and speaks to different groups. And one of the things 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:41.720 that Jasmine Crockett has and I think we take for 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.040 granted because we live in this media bubble, but this 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:48.440 is an opportunity for her. Like on the Internet, Jasmine 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:53.000 Crockett probably has one hundred percent name ID, but throughout Texas, 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.440 her name I D probably doesn't crack one third right. 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.600 And that is the type of growth and a runway 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.000 that I think that she can. I mean, because me 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:04.680 and Angela were talking about this the other day. People 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.040 don't even know and Tiffany, we talked about it several times. 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.200 People don't even know her resume. I mean, they don't 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.280 know how brilliant she is. They don't know that she 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.240 went to law school. They don't know where she went 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.800 to law school. You know, they don't know how she 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:20.200 had to be this much better than everybody else to 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:22.240 get to where she is. So she literally has an 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:26.960 opportunity to introduce herself to voters, Tiffany, to kind of 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.760 get to your question, and she has to take advantage 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:33.280 of that moment, an opportunity to introduce herself to those voters. 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:39.280 And also it's not voters have to train themselves. And 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.080 we're still learning how to do that because very few 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.120 voters have ever had the opportunity to press a button 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.480 for a black person in that seat, let alone a 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.160 black woman. And so you have to go through this 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:55.360 process of actually training the electorate too, giving them kind 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.720 of a permission skip to go and do that. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.680 You know, part of what I think is so important. 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.320 And well, actually, Andrew, maybe you were going to answer 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.840 the voter question too, but I think that this is 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.960 an important piece to add here. And I think both 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:16.000 of you all have done this. When candidates are running, 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:19.920 you also hear them talking about the campaign and they say, 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:24.040 we're going to win in our campaign, right, it's a 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.600 collective wi and it's a collective hour because it isn't 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:31.280 just the candidate who is needed to pull off a victory. 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:35.760 It is the responsibility of the voters. The amount of 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.680 reliance that you take that you have to have and 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.480 people some that you only shook hands with, if at all, 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:47.240 is humbling. And so I would love Andrew for you 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.840 to talk about that we that hour and you know 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.600 how that we in our has to change in this 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.760 moment in time. There are some things that are shifting 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.560 for example, for the first time in three decades, I 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.399 believe a Democrat one my mayoral race in Miami. So 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.400 the tide is changing. Has it changed enough? And what 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.480 is needed for the voters Andrew to continue that tithe change? 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:10.679 Well, no, there's not been a permantive change. I think 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:14.639 there's a realignment every cycle, at least of late so 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:18.680 far as Obama race, where he was getting upwards of 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.560 sixty seven percent of Miami Dade County. When you know, 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:27.479 I come around and we're hovering at forty and fifty percent. 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:33.080 So you had these precipitous fall and then now it's 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:40.280 every four cycles, maybe every two cycles, every two years. 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:43.639 Rather for every cycle there's a there is a swing 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.600 back from one to the other and another swing, and 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:50.240 in some cases the you know, the the swing is 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:52.800 more extreme than we would have ever thought. I think 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.439 what voters have to do, and I you know, I 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:57.800 actually I was real honest with people when I was 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:01.400 running in Florida that this system can't change just because 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.119 you send one person there, one man, they're one governor there, 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.439 and that if you send me there and you're not 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:11.520 back up, then you're sending me alone and you're stranding me, 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:13.679 and so we can't get the kind of change that 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:15.600 we want to see in this state if we all 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.280 aren't in this game. That means coming up and visiting 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:22.840 legislators and talking to your city councils and wrestling resolutions 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:26.359 out of them in support of our legislative reforms. But 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.680 it required us all to do something, and I wanted 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.360 to be honest about it, because we delude our voters 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:36.280 into thinking that one man changes one thing through one 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.960 cycle and voila. And then that thing doesn't happen, and 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.479 everybody's like, but you told us that you was going 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.080 to do and it doesn't happen, and then that cycle 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:47.880 continues to repeat itself, and it turns people off of politics, 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.520 and we spend a whole generation's time trying to recruit 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:50.880 them back. 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:55.399 Yeah, and to this point, if you asked earlier about 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:00.439 like just my work, I would just say simple. The 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:03.840 most important thing for voters right now is to do 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:07.280 as Reverend Jackson said often, which is to keep hope alive. 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:11.200 I think that we often lose sight of the way 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:13.520 that things change. It is one vote at a time, 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.359 and I think, in particular in this environment, it's hard 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.560 to stay encouraged. It's hard to know that the power 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:21.360 is in your hands. It's hard to remember that democracy 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.680 in and of itself people power, right, It is us 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.560 realizing that power. And so that's the first thing that 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:32.199 I would say to encourage, you know, Jasmine in this 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.040 particular journey, which is to know like you signed up 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:37.119 to do this because you know you're a formidable fighter. 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:37.879 You work hard. 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:40.919 There are people that she knows very well who have 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.720 run statewide, some of them who have won black women. 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.160 She should talk to them, Tis James, she should talk 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.719 to Kamala Harris is not a blue state by any stretch, 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:51.959 but there are some really key lessons that she can 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:55.320 learn because no matter what, we know that racism is 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:58.240 a nonpartisan problem. So she also is up against whatever 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.400 happens in that primary. Folks who are already seen, they don't 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:03.200 know that they're gonna get in, they're gonna endorse or 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:05.360 get involved in all of that. So I think it's 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:07.800 important for her to hold on to that hope in 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:09.800